Oh hi Shill
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
mild chasm
At some point there's going to be a mod that just lets you select and customize your singleplayer character model like duskworld and has hand models
and it'll probably end up in the must-have mods list for dusk for many many people
rare musk
I'm not sure 'hand models' are that must-have
quartz moss
There any Dusk mods out?
graceful wing
Not yet
quartz moss
But it will be compatible?
quartz moss
Sweet
mild chasm
They're making an SDK called DAWN for it and everything
And there's already even the capability to do some very very basic weapon sound modification thanks to Zombie bothering to go out of his way to make a patch for it and a list of what sounds can be changed and how
it's just swapping out the sound for a wav file but it shows there's real effort behind that front
graceful wing
Zombie is a good boi
mild chasm
Ye
clever wasp
brb swapping out the riveter sound for a cow moo
I'm sure nothing can go wrong with that
honestly there aren't a ton of mods I could imagine for Dusk, besides level packs
mild ginkgo
weapon mods, enemy mods, physics mods, etc etc
all of it
anything that doom has basically
tired whale
hdusk, obviously
mild ginkgo
^^^^^
clever wasp
hdusk ?
tired whale
Yeah, didn't you ever want to see a cultist "railed", if you catch my drift?
clever wasp
you mean a railgun mod ? doesn't the crossbow already sorta does that ?
tired whale
more like, a "railgun" mod
clever wasp
I sense that I am missing a joke
either way, as far as mods go, if some day someone can pull SgtMarkIV out of Doom long enough to consider Brutal Dusk, hell I'm game dude
mild chasm
HDoom is a hentai-style porn mod for doom
clever wasp
...at the risk of asking a silly question, why
mild chasm
also notorious in the doom mod community kinda like brutal doom is but not for the same reasons, obviously
Because the guy behind it wanted to make it, that's all
why does anyone make any mod for doom other than to make it?
tired whale
why NOT make something like hdoom
mild chasm
The same guy also makes really good normal modder's resources for guns and such
Chances are he made it just for craps and giggles because the premise is silly
clever wasp
"silly" isn't quite the word I'd use, but I get the point
mild chasm
I mean the idea of changing a game like doom into a porn game is pretty stupid in a fairly amusing way to me
it's just absurd
clever wasp
yeah
and to be fair, from the sound of it, it's quite a bit more tame than... actually an alarming lot of Skyrim mods
mild chasm
So remember kids, whenever you see anyone mention HDusk (mainly Jizzus) the person mentioning it is talkin giant anime robertsons hanging off the leatherneck and such
clever wasp
please don't let whoever gets this idea touch Mama
mild chasm
Call the police immediately and evacuate the area
But yeah Dusk could either be more or perhaps less difficult to develop mods for
as compared to Doom
Could be both dependent on what you're going for
clever wasp
Dusk has 3D models, by definition it's going to be harder to mod
mild chasm
Very simplistic 3D models with simple textures
clever wasp
even if those aren't super high poly skeleton rigged raytracing-sensitive complete resource hogs models
mild chasm
I could make dusk weapon models
and I've only got a very very basic knowledge of how to make a model in blender
You think just because it works off of 2D sprites that it's easy to make a mod for Doom?
mild chasm
They're both not going to be instantaneous walks in the park but when you're working with sprites you have to be very careful that your spritework is consistent across every frame of animation and you could easily screw it up in so many ways it's not even funny
With animation you get your model you get your texture and your normal maps and all that good stuff, if you have a hand model you get that rigged and then problems are less pixel perfect bullcrap and more issues with smoothness of the animation, clipping, things of that nature
If something goes wrong with your texture then you start getting into a territory where it'll probably end up more difficult to fix than a sprite
eternal fulcrum
I wonder what the first mod for DUSK will be?
mild chasm
There's probably more time spent on making things for a game like Dusk because of the processes to bake, render, etc. etc. but from what I've seen it'd be hell to make a game like Doom from scratch
eternal fulcrum
Lol
mild chasm
It'll probably be from David himself and it'll most likely be something to do with daikatana
tired whale
daikatana means big penis in japanese
clever wasp
that's already done to be honest
apparently the internal name for the sword is "d4ik4t4n4"
mild chasm
Yes
clever wasp
even though it's clearly a broadsword
eternal fulcrum
A wooden sword
mild chasm
He'll add in features from daikatana that everybody (in his house) was asking for
clever wasp
honestly I wouldn't say no to a Mighty Foot mod
eternal fulcrum
There needs to be a hunt down the refund mod
mild chasm
Or maybe it'll just be a mod to add in Duke Nukem style one liners said by Dave that make no sense
eternal fulcrum
clever wasp
*kills Cultist* "I've made mac and cheese today"
mild ginkgo
also its very possible youll see sprite based gameplay in dawn as well
doom assets dropped in, etc
eternal fulcrum
Sounds cool
mild chasm
So instead of making HDusk, Jizzus can just import HDoom
vast tangle
Well, if Arcane Dimensions for Quake exists, I don't see how it wouldn't be possible to do something similar for Dusk once modding tools are available
mild chasm
That's an exciting prospect though
I mean imagine the possibilities
Like importing Brutal Doom wholesale
for the most immersive experience
clever wasp
that probably wouldn't work
idle wagon
don't do that with brutal doom pls
clever wasp
but yeah, a BD-like mod for Dusk would be lit
idle wagon
dusk deserves better
mild chasm
I was joking
idle wagon
demonsteele tho now that is a juicy prospect
mild chasm
However I would like some good gore mods
idle wagon
have fun attempting to convert decorate and ACS to c# lmao
fair mirage
brb making brutal dusk just to piss everyone off
clever wasp
ah yes, Demonsteele, aka "This is totally not Shadow Warrior on steroids"
idle wagon
not lo wang may cry
mild chasm
It has a katana and that's about all there is that's similar
idle wagon
well katana and grenade launcher
clever wasp
either way, why not both
idle wagon
brutal dusk better not completely murder the game balance like brutal doom does
or my speakers
mild chasm
Project Duskality
idle wagon
now THAT i can get behind
mild chasm
500 alternate firing modes
opaque spindle
Project Brutality is worse but whatever
graceful wing
I'm going to mark any and all "brutal dusk" mods incompatible 
vast tangle
Aeons of Dusk
mild chasm
High Dusk Drifter
idle wagon
quake champions DUSK edition
clever wasp
AMID DUSK
mild chasm
Now that's actually a good idea Ballistic
Dusk is closer to quake than quake champions is so it checks out
clever wasp
sadly true
clever wasp
I kind of wish the QC devs would actually make a Q3A mod without the horseshit abilities
especially Nyx
idle wagon
let's port DUSK to playstation hardware so we can then port that back to pc and have PSXDUSK TC
mild chasm
Make a version of Dusk for N64 so we can have mods incorporating elements from Dusk 64
such as MetaDusk
Dusk 64 in Dusk
LegenDusk
clever wasp
100% real talk on that, I think someone ported OpenGL to the PS2 or something
idle wagon
SmoothDusk for beta-unreal style tessellation that makes everything look fat
eternal fulcrum
Phat
mild chasm
Everything in dusk already looks fat though
idle wagon
make a 1:1 re-creation of Suspended In Dusk and port that to DUSK for epic funni
eternal fulcrum
Import nuts into DUSK
clever wasp
H E R E T I C
eternal fulcrum
Yes
mild chasm
That's the height, the absolute peak
clever wasp
I would unironically play that
mild chasm
Imagine how high quality those low poly Flemoids will look as you spoon them
clever wasp
I think, for one, that the first map that shall be made for Dusk needs to pay respect to where we come from
which means we hangar boys
mild ginkgo
ive played with enemy limits in dusk
works really well
ive done several hundred enemies without issue
clever wasp
on an absolutely not related note, does/will the SDK allow to customize enemy attributes like health, projectile speed/type, etc
like imagine replacing the cultist fireball with rivets
mild ginkgo
yep
prisma kestrel
dusk slaughtermaps, yeah boy
mild ginkgo
prisma kestrel
i imagine the noises coming from the speakers are amazing :P
vale oar
whohohoha
clever wasp
I'm more interested in tough bosses than slaughtermaps for one
fair mirage
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
mild ginkgo
vale oar
Those are the maps from episode 3
clever wasp
nooooooo
eternal fulcrum
Episode 3 sucks
fair mirage
you're base dusk using dawn
eternal fulcrum
We want episode 5
clever wasp
wrong game
eternal fulcrum
Not amid evil
clever wasp
on that note: backporting AMID EVIL episodes to Dusk
prisma kestrel
Horse Only difficulty
eternal fulcrum
Episode 5 of dusk
mild ginkgo
all guns become horses
vale oar
Big John difficulty
prisma kestrel
all horses become double horses
eternal fulcrum
Lol
vale oar
yeah I member that one
vale oar
👌
eternal fulcrum
Jig bohn
fair mirage
broke: mod where you play as big john but it's just regular dusk
woke: mod where you play as big john but it's only in the level he appears in and you have to fight duskdude
vale oar
Okay here are the weapon bindings for Big john mod:
Weapon 1 - Chaingun
Weapon 2 - Mortar
Weapon 3 - UGHAHAHA yell
Weapon 4 - CMAHN KILL ME yell
Weapon 5 - Girly man yell
Weapon 6 - BIG JAHN THATS ME yell
mild chasm
I imagine one of the first mods is probably going to be a full recreation of Knee Deep in the Dead
clever wasp
honestly I have a few ideas
mild chasm
just with dusk stuff
eternal fulcrum
Sounds like a neat idea
clever wasp
but... my C# is between "no" and "please never open Visual Studio ever again"
prisma kestrel
someone will make that just to name it 'Knee Deep in the Dusk"
fair mirage
git gud son
prisma kestrel
also ffffff "Horse Cheese"
fair mirage
bellyachin ain't gettin anyone anywhere; if you really wanna do a thing, do it
eternal fulcrum
Finale boss of dusk is a horse
vale oar
MOD IT IN
fair mirage
could use this time to learn c# before the sdk releases
clever wasp
not quite, sadly, I have other shit to do like looking for a job
vale oar
Yeah and fill some time while waitin for ep3 😉
eternal fulcrum
Oh shit
mild ginkgo
w
clever wasp
s'okay, they are like pokémons, gotta catch'em all
vale oar
NHAA CMAAAHN
fair mirage
should get a uh
emergency fire hose
and blast people imitating big john with it
:^)
eternal fulcrum
clever wasp
why is he not named Bigger John
fair mirage
yeah sure i'll delete viscont
prisma kestrel
Hueg Jhon
fair mirage
gimme a sec
fair mirage
you'd like that wouldn't you
vale oar
😫
prisma kestrel
chek urself b4 u drek urself
vale oar
"DREK YOU!"
graceful wing
weeb
crimson folio
Weeb John
eternal fulcrum
clever wasp
imagine Big John entering a fight and yelling, with his regular voice, "Ohayo minna-san"
I turn the fuck around and start sidehopping the exact opposite direction of him
clever wasp
it means "hello everyone"
it's one of the two or three things I know in Japanese
along with oppai (tits), shoryuken (get the fuck out of my way, peasant), and kamehameha (first king of Hawaii)
jade root
Moshi moshi
jade root
He is saying
"Boy wow I love playing dusk on my computer system"
"You should all purchase dusk off of steam™ and enjoy the 33 action packed levels"
clever wasp
33
clever wasp
so much meaning in three words of weeb speak
jade root
🙀🙀🙀
graceful wing
Here's the only Japanese word I know :"snap"
And it means you're going into my cringe compilation
clever wasp
you got that from nintendo direct didn't you
this is the most Japanese emote I have
solar olive
Duskmare should replace all monster classes with big john.
hollow ivyBOT
🔄 DUSK is now in Early Access! Spread the word and don't forget to leave a review if you love or hate it!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/519860/DUSK/
prisma halo
@clever wasp @idle wagon The SDK doesn't make you write mods in C# (early versions offered C# as a scripting language but it's now a scrapped feature, might be added in the future though)
Scripting is offered in different languages now, details will be offered down the line, I'd rather not put out a bunch of information and have it change later on (like with C#)
tl;dr SDK is written in C#, mods are not
eternal fulcrum
There's a new review basically saying I'll recommend this game when ep 3 comes out.
crimson folio
how is e1m6 possible with a pacifist that sounds like hell
frozen heart
very carefuly
vale oar
The Claustrophobic Mines
crimson folio
Make Big John’s minigun a secret weapon
crisp lion
No new weapons for Ep3™
You want an R8 Revolver experience for dusk?
because that's how you get the R8 Experience.
eternal fulcrum
Those enemies in the welcome to DUSK trailer remind me of the spike mine from scourge of armagon
spare cobalt
owch
those guys hurt
if you try to "cheat" by jumping by the cliffs in one map a large group of them spawns and a text plays "You shouldn't be there"
eternal fulcrum
Lol really
eternal fulcrum
Oh
spare cobalt
didnt really like the mission packs really :(
thorn trout
for everyone who wants to have some idea how ep3 is progressing, as of last night m1-m9 can be played straight through in rough draft form. M1-M5 are pretty much crit complete. Boss has yet to be touched. Probably will get there after finishing crits of the levels proper. WE ARE GENUINELY GETTING CLOSE.
steady aurora
Holy crap once I read that it said m9 I was jaw dropped, my Halloween hype builds with all my other hype, aaaagh SOON is genuinely close
winged otter
fucking nice, so summer release is indeed possible
thorn trout
still no internal release date but we're hoping it won't be too many more months. We also still have to do all the busywork stuff like cheevos etc
crisp lion
cheevos?
winged otter
cheetos?
thorn trout
achievements
winged otter
how many achievements in 1.0?
spare cobalt
haha achievements like "Become the Duskworld Champion"
prisma halo
"Lose a match against Ceasepool"
spare cobalt
lol
frozen heart
"Tell Scott the servers are down"
steady aurora
Play Dusk on the Switch - #steam_achievements
solar olive
"Play a match on brazilian servers"
atomic egret
oh dear
crisp lion
but I don't speak despacito
opal plover
I was thinking
if dusk ever got a opposing force mod/mission pack there should be a revolver instead of the pistols, the pump action shotty and big john's gun at the very least
opal plover
Honestly I'd rather take a thing from another character's perspective than an episode 4
crisp lion
I seriously doubt we'll see anything like that.
The only possibility is to have a Soldier, or a prequel with the Sherriff of Dusk
opal plover
It'd be a good opportunity to have the cigar be replaced by a cigarette
crisp lion
the latter being great for dual wielded single action army's, a repeating rifle instead of a hunting rifle, and proper AR instead of the LMG.
and less magical weapons.
crimson folio
episode 4 should be scraped/alpha levels and most upvoted comunity/dev maps and more memes
crisp lion
That honestly would just be lazy tbh
that can seriously just be fan-compilations and shieet
opal plover
Beta maps like blood's Ep 5 that no one gave a shit about?
As opposed to the Chad cryptic passage
crisp lion
plus you gotta take in account why those levels were cut in the first place.
crimson folio
dude i wana play the old swamp level
crimson folio
crisp lion
either that or one of the old betas
opal plover
Like in it's current form there's practically nothing to the lake level
crisp lion
It'd be smarter to just release Expansion Packs for DUSK rather than sequels.
jade root
Ye
crisp lion
Though official spin-offs with alt player characters would be cool.
winged otter
if Dusk dlc gonna be good quality then ill buy it💲
sly path
Stuff packs.
quartz moss
Expansion packs sounds much better
vast tangle
Ultimate Dusk: Thy Sickles Consumed
crimson folio
Ultimate Dusk: Dawn of Hell
crimson folio
YES
I will support mostly anything if it has a gothic theme to it
So...is duskworld a different game? Or just what the MP is called?
winged otter
@fast wigeon Blood is not really gothic, Quake 1 is
fair mirage
duskworld is a bit of an homage to quakeworld, so yeah that's just what it's called
jade root
Quake 1 is brown brick sim
crimson folio
I'd say more occult, if anything
crimson folio
I still remember the pack of crayons with "64 shades of brown!!" on it from Rage
crimson folio
Is that an Easter Egg in Rage?
viral gate
yep
crimson folio
Can I get a real 64 shades of brown crayon pack?
thorn trout
Quake 1 is as blue as it is brown tbh
thorn trout
I think?
vague egret
Nah
mild chasm
Darn
mild chasm
We do have dolts in chat though
rare musk
does quake 1 even have ANY blue in it?
even the water is like green-brown, thinking about it
wait I'm completely forgetting about ep4 and bits of ep3 what's wrong with me
winged otter
yep, there are blue episodes in Q1
winged otter
episode 4 has massive problem
eternal fulcrum
What's that
eternal fulcrum
They're both really annoying on nightmare
slate edge
Quake? more like, cute game xd
eternal fulcrum
Nah
vale oar
Quake is a pool of brown poo
graceful wing
Yeet
winged otter
jesus christ
viscunt is the most unfunny person on the internet, good thing we have ignore button
graceful wing
Ouch
tired whale
Man, aren't you a bundle of joy
winged otter
seriously, 10 year old voice synhesizer "ivona" YT movies are fucking Monthy Python quality compared to this guy
vale oar
thank you
tired whale
did he take a shit in your cereal or something lmao
winged otter
"6 blocked messages"
ok i agree with you
formal turret
is there any actual point to the climbing thing in neobabel
i haven't found anywhere secret to get to it and that building across from the smokestack isn't very easy to climb
opal plover
Yes the climbing thing is to find secrets
rocky lichen
is sawblade's purpose to tiddly-wink corpses?
oblique viper
Scourge of Armagon is the superior game.
Change My Mind.
vale oar
Arcane Dimensions.
rocky lichen
Corpse Tiddly-Winks™ https://gfycat.com/OrganicEvilBigmouthbass
fair mirage
that's just david's cRaZy PhYsIcS
thorn trout
Feature
graceful wing
Physics? Where were going we don't. Need no physics
oblique viper
oh yeah arcane dimensions is real good
eager bluff
Question for Devs
Any chance of ray tracing making it's way into Dusk? That would neat to see.
tired whale
good news 4 u
eager bluff
For real? Thats fucking awesome
opaque spindle
(Disclamer that isn't real that was a meme tweet from Dave)
eager bluff
god damn it
clever wasp
half the point of Dusk is to look like it was made circa 1997
ray tracing was not even remotely feasible for video games in 1997
eager bluff
yeah i get that
clever wasp
(it actually debatably still isn't)
eager bluff
i get also that ray tracing implementations will also apparently be hybrid ray tracing systems
clever wasp
if you really want ray tracing, I think down the line you will eventually gain the ability to write your own renderer (ray tracer ?) for Dusk via the SDK
mild ginkgo
That would be cool
clever wasp
but raytracing sure as hell won't be in the vanilla game
if the SDK really ends up that flexible, someone somewhere will eventually make Dusk cel-shaded
tired whale
what am I hearing here, raytracing for the expansion confirmed?
Fuck yeah boys, get hyped!
clever wasp
and break like half the internet in the process
eager bluff
i figured that engines on UE3 and Unity 5 would be able to do ray tracing rather easily
because these engines are handle them natively, or are going to
clever wasp
I'd have to ask the exact situation to someone in the know, but I'm pretty sure Dusk runs on its own engine that itself runs on top of/inside Unity
or at least will
jade root
it runs on unity lol
clever wasp
so wth is Dawn ?
spare cobalt
just the name of sdk
jade root
a rewrite of dusk
clever wasp
Zombie said it was an engine
tired whale
we don't really listen to zombie here
clever wasp
again, if the SDK is flexible enough, writing your own raytracing engine (or whatever the hell you need to do raytracing, I'm a 2D guy, I don't understand your 3D horseshit) might be an option
but that's a pretty damn big "if"
clever wasp
yeh, as a mod
clever wasp
I mused earlier that if the SDK allows it, someone will cel-shade Dusk and break half the internet in the process
clever wasp
8 years from now, when AMID EVIL 3 releases, people will still be modding Dusk to hell and back
more or less literally
jade root
lol poor leon
prisma kestrel
AE3 will be a DUSK mod
prisma halo
Okay, to clear up any misconceptions:
Dawn is a complete, from the ground up, rewrite of Dusk
It still runs in Unity, but the way it's being written makes it feel like a different engine
You won't be able to write your own renderer, not as a mod at least. It's possible you could do it by editing the game's source code and using Unity's scriptable rendering features
mild chasm
So basically, by making a source port for it
jade root
ZDusk
prisma halo
tfw that's technically dawn
mild chasm
GZDusk
winged otter
java Dusk
opaque spindle
Duskgdx
dim valve
will Dawn SDK fuck up royally if David ever decided to update the Unity build like Leon and Simmo did with AE and UE4?
crimson folio
probably not as harshly
prisma halo
no
crimson folio
engine version transitions are a special kind of hell in ue4, that's all
prisma halo
they're hell in Unity too for large projects when you make a big jump
crimson folio
yeah but i think that's a given
prisma halo
but with the way I've got Dawn set up it's highly unlikely to happen as much
if ever
(the biggest issues arise with having assets get ported to newer formats during the upgrade process, but the Dawn project contains no assets because they're raw a la Quake)
crimson folio
yeah unity normally likes to encapsulate that stuff too doesn't it
prisma halo
yeah
crimson folio
i wish they would stop doing that
prisma halo
it's very irritating
serene needle
so
knowing that dawn is a like different engine
does that mean if we were to play dusk through it, would it feel different? I.E projectiles and mob behaviors
mild ginkgo
No, the intent is to preserve the game nearly 1:1
It will use all the same numbers, etc
The best example would probably be detecting major differences between doom and its sourceports game feel wise
mild chasm
It's a rewrite that's still based in Unity and typically engines aren't going to mean too much unless you purpose build them from the ground-up to intentionally be capable of different things or to feel different altogether, at least not in this day and age. And besides that, would the assets not just retain their original properties?
mild ginkgo
For the most part yeah it would retain most of the properties
It's still going to be based on the same physics (which I believe is physx 3.3 in unity, could be wrong though)
mild chasm
But yeah a good general thing to remember is that engines aren't magic that make the gameplay different, at most you can utilize building a new engine to add more capabilities
or even just stapling new crap to an existing engine in some cases
thorn trout
wait people want raytracing in Dusk
but why tho
crimson folio
to justify their $1200 purchase
@thorn trout JUST DO IT and make all models into sprites too for Pentium I users
mild chasm
David is legally obligated to make an official dusk mod for doom in accordance with a law that I've made up wholesale
verbal spindle
I wonder if you could do an actual demake of Dusk in the Quake 1 engine
I mean I've seen people modify the quake 1 engine to do some weird shit like that one guy who made a homebrew with it called Left 4 Quake
or team or whoever the hell made that
mild chasm
Dusk follows enough of the 90s gameplay mechanics closely enough that I think it would be possible with modifications
I can't imagine unlocking the Y axis during jumps would be difficult, the weirder powerups like climbing and superhot probably wouldn't be insane to try and incorporate
The thing is that dusk is made up of a lot of doors used as an easier substitution for a lot of things and I'm not sure how well that would work out in the Quake engine
you might have to make some compromises and/or concessions on certain effects in order to make it feasible
like for instance the big reveal after you fight big john
There's also the Erebus Reactor level which is so massive and has so much crap going on I'm not entirely certain you could pull that off, or at least not without massive massive framerate drops
verbal spindle
Yeah Erebus Reactor is more along the lines of... I guess more like serious sam than Quake, only with a bit more verticality.
crimson folio
@mild chasm If only Blood could be seriously modded... Its the perfect environment for Dusk dude to wander into
Actually Redneck Rampage 😂
Caleb, Dusk Dude and Leonard walk into a bar
frozen heart
Vavusk
crimson folio
graceful wing
Yeet
rocky lichen
@crimson folio Blood is just getting good now it's being ported with o̶r̶i̶g̶i̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶s̶o̶u̶r̶c̶e̶ cleverly reversed engine by a Ukrainian genius
clever wasp
there's some of the alpha source code floating around isn't there
rocky lichen
never been too sure, probably given how impossible it once seemed, but it could just be talent
either way, GDXBlood is the holy grail
clever wasp
wouldn't go that far tbh, but it's pretty damn amazing
clever wasp
now if Nightdive ever manages to sort out the licensing mess that is Blood's source code, Kaiser will probably shit diamonds
clever wasp
I don't think it's Activision
last I inquired about it, the actual license seems lost between whoever is now holding Monolith Software and someone else
clever wasp
for that to even happen you need to figure out who the hell holds the right of blood (heh)
and then convince said entity/entities to either give up the source (something that NightDive apparently failed to do), or approve of an engine remake (which considering just how many people want this to happen would probably take about two weeks to have like 7 different engines)
as far as I can tell, the engine itself still belongs to 3D Realms tho
the actual game content is probably split between Monolith, its former employees, and Time Warner
and Atari, apparently
rocky lichen
yeah its a mess
what happens if dave sells out Dusk to one of the big 3?
and in 20 years time people are reversing ports for Dusk
to run on apple watch
clever wasp
send screens
clever wasp
send crude drawing of what said screenshot would look like ?
crisp lion
use your imagination
it's essentially a lego-fication of a forearm holding a gun, but without the fun actually being there.
crisp lion
well I said legofication of the hand because it's evident that David intended on "texturing" the fingers in
and the fingers are just in a claw
clever wasp
Duskdude is Ridley ?
crisp lion
clever wasp
shit, now I'm thinking about making a LEGO mod for Dusk
hey at least I can model that in Blender
crisp lion
also E3M4's ambient theme is just Silent DUSK confirmed.
worst song in the soundtrack yet.
clever wasp
as in, it's nothing, or it's actual Silent Hill "ambiance" ?
(which is almost nothing)
crisp lion
It sounds like it's straight outta Silent Hill, the OG version from 99'
clever wasp
I actually haven't played it
I've had it for aeons
(like actually from the PSX lifetime)
never even put it in my PSX
opal plover
As far as I know E3M4 is the most disturbing level in the game so I'm okay with the track standing out.
opal plover
refunding immediatly
clever wasp
to be fair I don't like horror games, which is why I stream one every halloween for the enjoyment of my close friends who otherwise never see me playing anything other than FPSes and fighting games
crisp lion
though for All ik they've been bassboosted via the data, or are played loudly de la Wendigo screech
crisp lion
they're active sfx is sort of an old man struggling to breathe, but more deathly, and gaspy for air
their alert is just a similar gasp
then they gasp again but their bones break for their death.
clever wasp
I guess you can't give a straight answer to that, but are you talking about like a regular mob, or a boss ?
opal plover
That sounds pretty fucked up tbh
crisp lion
idle sound is pretty fucked, it's clear that's mean't to be an animal breathing or some shit
sounds like a pig breathing
is that a motherfucking NIN reference?
jk
clever wasp
could be an Amnesia one
crisp lion
E3M2's just a giant NIИ reference
clever wasp
IIRC there's some of those sounds as part of the "ambiance"
crisp lion
Silent Hill has a pig squealing for some of the ambience.
clever wasp
please make a box of Q2 NIN as an easter egg
crisp lion
pretty well known.
clever wasp
this is why I'd be an ass game dev
I'd put easter eggs referencing other games like everywhere
hell my first game has the Konami Code in it
clever wasp
oh btw, does anyone know if Dusk will have classic cheats ?
crisp lion
nbreflect - mirror mode (cannot be toggled off)
nbponcho - toggles lava suit for 300 seconds
nbkfa - give full health, ammo, keys, and weapons
nbkeys - gives all keys
nbdeity - toggles god mode (can still take damage over 100 health)
nbfastfingers - doubles fire speed (this will stack!)
nbregularfingers - sets fire speed back to normal
nbhot - toggles superhot mode for 300 seconds
nbspoder - toggles climbing powerup for 300 seconds
nbshooters - gives all weapons
nbdeathless - gives full health and armor
nbfrog - increases jump height by .1 each time it's typed
nbman - resets jump height to normal
nbwoohoo - toggles a janky slow motion mode (careful, this can break the game when you switch levels!)
nbgotta - toggles double movement speed (also affects some vertical motions such as jump pads)
crisp lion
cheats.txt in the goodies file
along with two pre-release builds
and some icons, wallpapers, and Pit
clever wasp
aren't some of those also used in AE ? I'm pretty sure AE has aefrog and aewoohoo
kinda disappointed there is no nbspispopd tho haha
frozen heart
nbrefund
clever wasp
^ should be the "suicide" cheat
opal plover
https://twitter.com/DUSKdev/status/1019820869441314816 Trypophobia? more like TRIPEophobia am I right boys?
crisp lion
🇸 🇹 🇴 🇵
fast wigeon
dont look up what trypophobia is btw
spare cobalt
lol
clever wasp
oh those are innards ? didn't quite catch it
opal plover
Yeah that the mandatory flesh level E3M4
frozen heart
oh god windows just started opening twitter links in an app rather then a web page
clever wasp
shouldn't let Windows install crapware in your back, son
actually I seem to be one of the privileged few who has no issues of the sort with Windows in general
and I haven't locked it down that hard (like it still can update, when I tell it to)
graceful wing
They don't do any of the forced install crap on pro
frozen heart
i think i have pro?
graceful wing
Only the entry level windows does it
frozen heart
yeah i am on pro
clever wasp
I have regular, and it doesn't do that anymore
graceful wing
Strange
clever wasp
then again I did lock it down a bit, but nothing extreme
graceful wing
Might be a checkbox somewhere
clever wasp
yeah, was about to say
pretty sure I just ticked something after reinstalling Windows and removing Candy Crush
and that's basically it as far as apps go
prisma halo
tfw got windows 10 pro for free because of that old shit you used to get through courses
frozen heart
i just used my windows 7 key after i upgraded
graceful wing
Ye I ha e win 10 education
frozen heart
¯_(ツ)_/¯
graceful wing
Same as enterprise
prisma halo
I could've gotten education, probably should've
graceful wing
Snagged it off dreamspark
prisma halo
too late now, no big deal though, I don't really use anything that you get with it
clever wasp
same, Win10 educational license. though I'm mainly a Linux user
prisma halo
should've done my research before grabbing a key
graceful wing
Heh
vivid cape
you know you can still get windows 10 for free?
prisma halo
no big surprise
vivid cape
in a not so legitimate way
graceful wing
Yea the accessibility upgrade still works
vivid cape
nope
prisma halo
I mean you can even just download an ISO from Microsoft directly and use it without a key, Windows 10's trial limitation shit is MUCH less restrictive than past iterations of Windows
vivid cape
you can still get digital licenses
without upgrade
or using a windows 7,8,8.1 key
without paying
no K M S
prisma halo
It's basically just an upgrade message in the corner of your desktop and you can't open the personalize menu (but can still personalize via third party software/right clicking images -> set as background)
prisma halo
and yes that stuff all works too
used to be able to use the assistive technologies thing to get it free too
prisma halo
I know that's why I said "too" lol
vivid cape
you don't need to upgrade from a previous version of windows
graceful wing
Oh that still works actually
vivid cape
it's a one button permanent activation
graceful wing
Although there's a few more hoops now
prisma halo
So all they did was remove the download? @graceful wing
graceful wing
Yeet
prisma halo
nice
opal plover
excuse me #bnnuy-and-the-jits anyone?
fair mirage
admins = badmins
opal plover
I hope Ep 3 has more "bold" encounters like the end of e1m9 and the big fight in e2m3
also speaking of, more welders in the upper ledges of e2m6 might be nice.
winged otter
yep, killing welders with hunting rifle was one of the best things in ep2
fast wigeon
people have been saying its way harder so it prob will
prisma halo
ep3 kicks my ass on Cero Miedo
opal plover
And you'd better enjoy it boy
prisma halo
😏
winged otter
after playing some Quake 1 fan maps ep3 is propably gonna be a casual expierience for me
opal plover
play it on duskmare
winged otter
duskmare is a gimmick, not a proper difficulty
opaque spindle
You're just sayin that because you're bad at it 😏
vale oar
yeah you suck at playing on Duskmare
clever wasp
you just need to become an invincible killing machine with near perfect precision and superhuman dodges
still easier than AE
winged otter
i completed some maps with "no hit" reward but i dont really find that mode to be fun
like i said some time ago, higher difficulties should add more enemies
clever wasp
or replace some existing by their tougher variants
like plopping some welders in E1 out of nowhere
winged otter
that is good idea too
clever wasp
it's basically what Doom did
(and still probably does, I didn't play Nightmare in 2016)
winged otter
i remember that cacos in e3m1 on the beggining of the map
opal plover
or small experiments in E2
clever wasp
I kind of doubt about mini experiments, those are still bosses, capable of dealing far more damage than regular mobs
crisp lion
experiments are bosses and should stay bosses
clever wasp
and also capable of causing enormous infights
opal plover
Hey David's idea not mine
crisp lion
because the last thing anyone wants is to fight a tedious battle against a bastard that vomits out a bajllion fireballs
clever wasp
maybe not tedious, but like easily tanking 3 or 4 rivets
although in duskmare that would probably be too hard
opaque spindle
First mod will be tedious battle against a bastard that vomits out a bajillion fireballs
I'll personally see to it
crisp lion
O O F
winged otter
but lots of oldschool shooters and mods put bosses on the middle of the level
opal plover
I'll do it
opaque spindle
You're a good man
opal plover
it's gonna be the dusk version of wow.wad
opaque spindle
I have my replace every texture with William Riker from TNG mod to make
clever wasp
let's make a room with like the Guardian and the three Experiments
we going Dead Simple today
winged otter
@opal plover no no no, its should be nuts.wad!
mild chasm
Yeah don't worry the... I'm still going to call them wads... The wads that Dusk will have will almost certainly fall into the typical trappings of "you have to be the besterest of the bestest in order to even come close to beating this freaking gauntlet of agony"
acoustic oriole
I don't like Duskmare, and yeah, I suck at it
winged otter
seriously? Dusk gonna have wads?
acoustic oriole
I don't like it cause it's not played for difficulty, it's played to earn a badge of honor
clever wasp
but in spirit, wads
mild chasm
I'm just calling them wads because it feels right
clever wasp
basically that, yes
mild chasm
and also because I wanted to avoid saying it by accident and looking stupid
clever wasp
that said nothing really prevents zombie from making mods be actual wads
(as far as I know)
winged otter
hmmm it would be cool, 1 file mods are easy to use
crisp lion
[WOOOSH INTENSIFIES]
mild chasm
The real twist is that Dusk itself uses WADs but DAWN uses PK3s
winged otter
Dawn is that Zombie port?
mild chasm
DAWN is the SDK for dusk
Although Zombie has said it's gonna be quite a lot like a source port
opal plover
that's the badly rewritten totally not 1:1 recreation of it zombie is working on
winged otter
interesting, Dawn is on what engine ?
opal plover
dark places
mild chasm
Well Dusk runs on Unity and DAWN is going to basically be a rewritten modification of Unity
winged otter
"dark places" lol seriously?
clever wasp
hah, I bet technically DUSK would be portable to darkplaces
that would be awesome, actually
winged otter
darkplaces is not maintanted for several years, right?
mild chasm
Claiming that while it still uses Unity as a baseline it's going to have huge differences to the way the engine of Dusk functions
My guess as to why that's being done is probably to make modding even easier and crap like that
or maybe to make the SDK itself easier to make
Maybe both
clever wasp
probably both
prisma halo
Both, pretty much
prisma halo
I'm interested in seeing what kind of community forms around it
opal plover
yeah like brutal dusk
prisma halo
Will it be like Doom's, will it be like Quake's, or will it be something entirely different?
Or will it be completely dead :dab:
prisma halo
As a programmer, if Dusk modding ends up being purely about mapping I'd be pretty sad
opal plover
dusk's will be about meme mods
opaque spindle
The only mod I will ever make is replacing every texture with william riker from TNG
every texture will just be this
I'll be putting the sdk to good use
prisma halo
good
viral gate
Got some ideas floating around like alternative weapons but learning the SDK and other tools is the first step
mild chasm
Dusk's might end up being a hefty helping of both since it has more capabilities than actual 90s FPS games do for mapmaking shenanigans and also has a more limited arsenal than most of the 90s first person shooters did
viral gate
But wouldn't mind some high quality maps
sly path
Ill probably try adding penguins to DUSK.'
winged otter
but Quoth and AD are gameplay mods too
prisma halo
@sly path Like Op4?
opal plover
yeah but i mean just look at the most well known mod for both games
prisma halo
mandatory penguin mod for duskworld
opal plover
AD and brutal doom
winged otter
that are very different mods
first is mappack with gameplay changes
second is a pure gameplay mod
opal plover
yeah that's what i'm saying
winged otter
not talking about starter pack for BD, this is a separate mod
opal plover
i mean the main attraction are the maps
mild chasm
His point is that the most popular mod for Quake is a mappack and the most popular mod for Doom is purely gameplay changing
winged otter
yeah, i get the point
mild chasm
Ergo, quake's community is more inclined towards map making and doom's is more inclined towards gameplay
prisma halo
I'd say Build game modding is relatively map focused too
winged otter
most important is that both communities are very alive
fair mirage
@opaque spindle did he have some noise he made all the time
you could do like the tim allen mod and replace sounds with that too
winged otter
yes. i played some DN3D maps, they are really good
prisma halo
Duke Hard is great
mild chasm
Yeah, build lets you do a lot of interesting crap with the maps so that makes sense
opaque spindle
I don't think he did but maybe I could find somethin
It'll mean I'll have to binge TNG again but I don't mind doing that
opaque spindle
I'm sure I'll find something
viral gate
What would you say about HL scene? thinking more gameplay mod focused but we've seen plenty of great maps too
viral gate
yeah I prefer a good mix
sly path
Build has the advantage of the engine playing nice with realtime map editing.
mild chasm
Yeah HL is a mix because people don't typically just do one or the other, they tend to do both at the same time
opaque spindle
I hope Dusk's modding is like Half-life's tbh
prisma halo
imo the tools available to modders is a big factor
opaque spindle
mix of maps and modding
mild chasm
At least from the mods I've played for Half Life that's the way I see it
winged otter
lets not forget about Deathwish for Blood
prisma halo
Quake actually has really nice scripting but there's not enough major documentation for it, so maps are its big draw too
opal plover
deathwish>AD tbh
prisma halo
Doom has a fuckload of scripting options thanks to modern ports, plus lots of mapping options, so you get a mix
winged otter
@opal plover really different mods
prisma halo
Half-Life has great mapping tools + scripting is done through C/C++ so you get a mix there too
winged otter
so i dont want compare this 2
opal plover
yeah but still, i like the campaign format more
winged otter
and yeah, GZDoom is a powerhouse of modding
mild chasm
But you mostly get gameplay probably because of the fact that it's so much easier to make a gameplay oriented mod than to make a level or mappack
mild chasm
despite doom still being pretty easy to make maps for
viral gate
that one rebalance mod seemed alright
prisma halo
Say what you want about Graf Zahl, I have my disagreements with his way of doing things, but he was a major part of modern DECORATE's creation
Without DECORATE I don't think ZDoom would have gotten anywhere near as huge as it is today
prisma halo
ZScript is a mixed bag
Seriously lacks documentation, is rather poorly designed as a language, and suffers from numerous other issues
I'd still recommend DECORATE & ACS for beginners to learn
mild chasm
Hey Zombie can you still import maps you've made for Quake into DAWN for use in Dusk?
Because that might play into the community too
prisma halo
Considering Dusk uses q1bsp & q3bsp for custom maps, the answer should be pretty clear
(yes)
opaque spindle
q3bsp is that like the Quake 3 map format or am I just dumb
prisma halo
yes
prisma halo
Depends how far you want to go
I wouldn't say it'd be much more difficult than it is in ZDoom or modern Quake ports
winged otter
i wonder what if Q3 has singleplayer🤔
opaque spindle
In theory could you just straight up port vanilla quake maps into Dusk?
mild chasm
Well there you have it, once DAWN comes out the game'll probably end up getting a mix of mapmaking and gameplay changing modders as it's community
prisma halo
@opaque spindle yeah
opaque spindle
huh thats neat
prisma halo
technically you could even just run them as-is
opaque spindle
wow thats actually pretty cool
sly path
DUSK Penguin total conversion.
mild chasm
No need to recreate Quake, just load up the map
prisma halo
I suppose that also means you could try loading AD maps
any maps that use custom AD stuff would likely be broken though
winged otter
Dusk modding tools ..how many months after Dusk release?
prisma halo
but the basic geometry would load
and you'd spawn in
There is no date on the modding tools
viral gate
Imagine Dusk's very own AD though... meaning as of feeling like an expansion
A real good one
prisma halo
I mean that could totally happen
viral gate
Some neat changes and additions here and there
opal plover
yeah I would love something like AD for dusk but in campain format.
viral gate
And wicked large and detailed maps
mild chasm
Oh man I just realized that Dusk has set a sort of precedent with Escher Labs and the general lovecraftian atmosphere and stuff
winged otter
Deathwish quality campaign for Dusk
prisma halo
Dusk Comic TC when
mild chasm
Dusk might be getting a ton of lovecraft style maps with tons of mindscrewage and cool stuff like that
The Dusk Comic TC would just be giving Dusk Dude a playermodel that is an absolute unit
crimson folio
🤔 HYPE cumback !!!
opal plover
dusk comic tc actually sounds like a good idea
viral gate
Few ideas I have mostly themed around expanding EP1 enviroments but yeah cant wait to see what people create
prisma halo
someone on the Steam forums mentioned that they can't play with a Dvorak layout
because the game always assumes Qwerty
This is actually a Unity problem, but I came up with a solution
Basically, Unity maps keys based on their physical position on the keyboard, not based on what's on the key
So the SDK lets you remap keys, basically
viral gate
oooh
mild chasm
Neat
viral gate
good stuff
prisma halo
Currently you use Unity KeyCode values but I might change it to use the regular key names
we'll see
turbid palm
Episode 3 pls!
prisma halo
turbid palm
YES!
mild chasm
Episode 3 is actually legitimately not insanely far away now
crimson folio
mild chasm
It was said the other day that all the way up to E3M9 is done on a base level but as I recall they still need testing and passes and crap like that
winged otter
propably a month to release🤔
crimson folio
6and 7 are under "evaluation" now ?
winged otter
or...two?
fast wigeon
remember when we thought it could drop in late june
mild chasm
Haha we were a dumb bunch of suckers, literally all of us on this discord
viral gate
I predict that it is coming Soonist
fast wigeon
although saying that i cant see it being any more than 5 months now
fast wigeon
are nb going to pax
mild chasm
They went last year
fast wigeon
o
theres a chance we might get a gameplay demo
since they showed ep2 at pax last year
i think
winged otter
also that patch with new menus should be very soon ?
fast wigeon
yea
crimson folio
well considering avg life time 5+ months is like
prisma halo
Yeah we were waiting on Unity for that
crimson folio
prisma halo
There was an engine bug in Unity holding stuff back
The fix came out like, yesterday
opal plover
so very soon?
prisma halo
I dunno when the patch will drop, it's not up to me, but I guess so
Provided there aren't any more issues
crisp lion
is there any screenshots of what the menus look like?
crimson folio
id say ep3+ui SOOOONN
prisma halo
Ep3 won't be in the UI patch
opal plover
crisp lion
though there will be new EP3 content in the patch.
prisma halo
Content that you should avoid leaking on the Discord if you find it
crisp lion
never said I would or will
crisp lion
Stay out of trouble!
graceful wing
Ye don't spoil things I'd you're one of those few that got to play
fair mirage
dave's gonna go to your house and kick your ass if he finds someone leakin assets
like at the end of jay and silent bob strike back
crimson folio
the sauron boi though...
mild chasm
I just hope that when Dusk weapon mods start coming out that someone adds in a cultist spellbook or something like that
crisp lion
spinny plasma cultist staff
mild chasm
I just about to say that it probably won't happen because people always go to staffs and staves when they think of magic
I think staffs and wands are lame-o nerd bullcrap, books as your magic focus are cooler
winged otter
Dusk codex is scapped i assume?
crimson folio
make the cigar green and when smoke it increases saturation 15-25% and enables motion blur xd
opal plover
me too
prisma halo
Could be used in a multiplayer mode down the line maybe
I had some ideas for stuff like that a while back
opal plover
dark claw would be the lightning gun and the totem the plasma gun
mild chasm
What's the dark claw
crimson folio
yyeeoof
crisp lion
that's the dark claw?