#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk | New Blood | Page 245

vale heath Mar 20, 2018, 11:53 AM

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and it pushed my limits to how the fuck can I make it work

winged otter Mar 20, 2018, 11:54 AM

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ummm play through Quakespasm?

vale heath Mar 20, 2018, 12:07 PM

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tried that

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crashes after 3dfx screen

winged otter Mar 20, 2018, 12:37 PM

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glide? what?

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quake spasm is opengl right? try play with this instead

vale heath Mar 20, 2018, 12:46 PM

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unless you can help me get it working

jade root Mar 20, 2018, 12:48 PM

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Regular arcane dimensions or AD_Sepulcher?

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Cause regular ran in dark places no problem

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Sepulcher needed the included heavily modified Quakespasm to run

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 12:52 PM

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@winged otter heh, the guy who started that thread (hardcore_gamer) is notorious in the community for being a clueless dumb-butt (though he posts on doomworld mostly). He made basically the same thread on doomworld way back and got called out on it. :P

jade root Mar 20, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Is that the guy you completely destroyed a few months ago?

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The dude who doesn't even know how Doom works

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 12:56 PM

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hm

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can i have a link to his previous posts?

jade root Mar 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

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If it's the same guy, he's given us a boost in sales funny enough

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Same guy :p

jade root Mar 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Lol

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Thx for the sales

opal plover Mar 20, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Poetic justice

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 12:58 PM

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His latest thread on DW is "how do I make maps harder without adding more monsters", followed by him immediately rejecting all suggestions with "that's bullshit difficulty" :p

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I don't even think he maps

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And np if that helped, heh :p

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The post, for posterity: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/98767-why-does-everybody-misinterpret-what-old-school-fps-games-like-doom-are/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-1837359

Doomworld

Why does everybody misinterpret what old school fps games like Doo...

It's not about special effects, and it's not about polycount. It's about models looking like they were created by inexperienced artists.

 



Which i...

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Uh, let it be known that discord's embed is quoting not-me. :P

opal plover Mar 20, 2018, 1:05 PM

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Wow man just read your response to that thread and I couldn't have said why dusk is my fav fps better.

summer reef Mar 20, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Because old school apparently is the new excuse to not put effort in making the graphics worth looking at.

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Yeha man fuck those small devs for not having AAA assets

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Man this thread was a great read

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"I think we've seen enough." really summed it up

graceful wing Mar 20, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Minecraft graphics

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:19 PM

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the tendency for people--even retro FPS vets who should know better--to equate geometric detail with level design (and ignore other elements like flow, interconnectivity, etc) makes it very difficult to gauge whether complaints about Dusk's level design are valid or are just people expecting everything to look like Arcane Dimensions.

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:23 PM

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FWIW, complaints I see in the wild are always the latter

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Yeah, most of what I see fits that bill

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Arcane Dimensions was done by multiple map making veterans as well
Yeah that's the thing that a lot of consumers ignore, and tbh they aren't unjustified in doing so. Players care about results, not what went into getting those results. But yeah, AD is a mass undertaking by super vets, whereas Dusk is and always has been a passion project by me, a guy who has never mapped before. I was just blessed to get New Blood's backing in that endeavor.

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:24 PM

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The OP of that ZDoom thread admitted to playing only two levels of DUSK then stopping, so his opinion isn't grounded anyway :p

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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God those people annoy me

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They expect every single level to be perfect

graceful wing Mar 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Oh yea

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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News flash half of Doom 2 is fucking garbage (imo)

graceful wing Mar 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Judging a game without having played it is annoying

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Classic FPS games weren't without their own issues

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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I couldn't even start playing plutonia exp.

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i just...

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i dunno

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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I will always see dusk as "guy who has never mapped before studies mapping and figures out how it works and kills it" :p

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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fucking hate it

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for some reason

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Plutonia got repetitive

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Chaingun and boners everywhere gets old

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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I despise chaingunners

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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(that's 'kills it' in the positive sense ofc)

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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@prisma kestrel yeah I guess this is the danger of doing it as a through-designed experience. The first stuff the player sees is of course the least polished. The gamble was that it would still hook them, and would have plenty of room to grow after that point

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heh thanks :)

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But yeah I've noticed that people who drop Dusk after an hour or so seem to think the first few levels are representative of the entire experience, and assume it's never going to grow beyond that point

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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but second level is fucking great

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 3:30 PM

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HD Re-release of Dusk after it's complete. Double the polygons per model and maps done in reverse order so episode 3 is the least polished

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 3:30 PM

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imo

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 3:30 PM

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The models don't actually look any different

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:32 PM

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lol

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:33 PM

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TBH I feel like folks who drop it early probably wouldn't have enjoyed it much had they stuck it out; it's more a case of them then trying to grasp for Reasons The Game Is Bad that are demonstrably incorrect (...in the later maps)

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:34 PM

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@prisma kestrel could be right yeah

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:34 PM

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that zdoom/dw thread starter explicitly listed "too linear" as a complaint, which isn't right :P

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you could get that impression i guess if you play head cheese, find zero secrets, and quit

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and then assume the rest of the game follows suit :P

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Wat

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 3:35 PM

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It'll be nice to have a game that actually has a reason to play the later bits, with level design

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:35 PM

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anyhow, i dunno, just doing my usual defense-of-whatever

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hope this is at least encouraging to davidperson; it sucks hearing this kind of thing, heh

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but rest assured that one dude's a certified fringe loony :P

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:36 PM

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lol even making it to e1m3 that complaint is invalid

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:36 PM

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exactly! :P

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i dunno how you get that impression after playing e1m2

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like geez

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:37 PM

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yeah even e1m2. With the optional farmhouse and interlocking secrets and stuff

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 3:37 PM

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I mean the only issue I have with dusks level design is the bits where you get stuck on the geometry like the tunnel in e1m3. But I blame that more on the engine and physics.

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:37 PM

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eventually you hit e1m5 and it's all "yeah, nah" :P

thorn trout Mar 20, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@woeful sonnet yeah there are a few physics/collision quirks that I don't have a good way of fixing unfortunately

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 3:39 PM

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I mean if we really wanna be technical here it is linear in the sense that there is a start, an end and a general order of items or things you need to do to reach it, but thats true of any old school fps.

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:39 PM

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heh, i'm so used to "physics jank" I dunno if I'd notice :P

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Its just a tad annoying not really a problem.

final trellis Mar 20, 2018, 3:44 PM

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I dont know what to honestly say about Dusk

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The game just makes me happy man

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 3:45 PM

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It and ion maiden are strangling eachother as my favorite game, cant decide which.

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 3:45 PM

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also fwiw there some AD levels that are really bad levels

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visually cool

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but bad levels

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Agreed

tame tide Mar 20, 2018, 3:47 PM

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example?

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Just wanna say that the Escher labs are cool

prisma kestrel Mar 20, 2018, 3:48 PM

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re: AD maps -- I really didn't like Obsessive Brick Disorder; bunch of monotextured nothing

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there's a few others in the set too that I was rather nonplussed with, though TBH most of them (sans OBD) were "okay" at worst

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and the good ones are holy-shit-amazing

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:49 PM

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You know, after having played a fuckton of other fps spartans are really not that badass

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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It'd probably be a pretty big undertaking to convert the levels but I think the hard stick on walkable geometry could be fixed by breaking everything up into walls and floor and using physics materials to slide down things easier

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Little to no humor, slow af, die instantly from either a hit in the ass or a rocket, and cannot fucc

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Can even break into corners and stuff giving them their own in between friction value

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Don't know how Dusk is set up just speculating, but the sticking part is usually from two objects using a physics material with a friction of 1

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Eh, feels like a half baked solution

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Both figuratively and literally

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Yeah, I'm trying hard to think but it's as close to a fix that I can think of

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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I wish that if you rivet jump on a wall it will actually fucking boost you upward, same with detonating a mortar shell midar under your feet

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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That does happen though

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Lol, practice rivet jumping more

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Because it does

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Yeah but only a bit

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Nah you can get some pretty massive height

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Im talking only a wall tho

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Once I learned proper rivet jumps I could scale the wall in e1m8 in like 3 seconds and 4 jumps

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:55 PM

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You ger dick height

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Get*

prisma halo Mar 20, 2018, 3:55 PM

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:^)

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Unlike amid evil

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Where you planet jump on a wall and it will actually do something like quake and tf2

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Go look up a speedrun with rivet jumps in them, you'll see specifically what you asked to happen, happen in those runs

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Even still, detonating a mortar shell midair under your feet wont do fuck

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 3:58 PM

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It will if you learn where your pill hitbox is and have a good sense of where your mortar is, pretty sure I've tested with that

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 3:59 PM

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I have and it still does just a little hop midair

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:00 PM

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its difficult to get right

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but it can be done

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its a small range, i believe between .4 and .6 that you have for any explosives jump

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the mortars work exactly the same as gascans and rivets

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its very easy to get .4 and get practically nothing

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.4 is baseline explosives impulse

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Is that multiplied by some factor? Seems like a low number to use

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Playing E2M1 and is there a reason that when using the climbing gear you get stuck on some edges?

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:04 PM

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the climbing gear is just a little janky :P

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 4:04 PM

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Seems like it. Sometimes it after getting stuck on the edge, it decides to launch you to the moon

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:05 PM

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and yeah theres some multiplication in there, but you have to remember that dusk/unity units are WAY bigger than quake units

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Yeah I'm familiar with unity numbers

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:05 PM

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I mean i have extensively practiced this and it aint like demomans midair stickeys

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:06 PM

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Something in the hundreds range usually felt like it was good for add force

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:06 PM

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no its nothing like midair stickies

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but you absolutely can get the same height as rivet jumps

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because its literally the same explosion

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:06 PM

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I prefer not only height but midar speed too

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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I don't think that speed transfers into your base movement speed

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Like you can't get up to max hupping speed with explosions, you still have to do the 4 jumps

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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^

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correct

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Guess i just prefer soyrce physics

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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yeah which is totally understandable

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Source*

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Dusk is still fun but its even more fun detonating a stickey under thy feet and getting a major boost

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Doesnt make sense i know

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:09 PM

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we all played tf2

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yes, sticky jumps were fun

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:09 PM

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I wish tf2 had a singleplayer like dusk

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:10 PM

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because it gave you a whacky stupid amount of speed

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Where you play as a civillian

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And all the mercenaries or on vacation and youre stucc fighting robots

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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the timing on a perfect mortar jump is wayyyy too difficult comparatively

prisma ivy Mar 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I loved the leapfrog rocket jump in tf2

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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you can get huge height but youre looking at basically single frame precision

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Speed pogoing in tf2 was so fun

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Same with amid evil

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Which i wish had a mortar type weapon

prisma ivy Mar 20, 2018, 4:12 PM

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I'm never very good at jumping off of grenades/mortars

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Rivet jumping is fun though

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Pogoing in dusk feels a bit off but still p fun

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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just do it at bhop threshold

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thats the important part

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if you arent at bhop threshold it isnt great

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the speed falloff is high

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Pogoing?

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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chaining rocket jumps downward so you dont hit the ground

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Ah

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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like a pogo stick

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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And get massive speed in the process

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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well, the speed is optional

shut mesa Mar 20, 2018, 4:15 PM

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shii

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i remember those rocketjump maps in tf2 which reset you if you hit the ground

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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^

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exactly

shut mesa Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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so you spent ages practicing pogoing

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Question: I play quake live only with nightmare bots but win every time, am i good at quake

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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bots will never ever prepare you for a player

final trellis Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Whats up with the fourth door on E1M7. Trying to no_clip through reality

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Like legit asking

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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it can train your aim

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to a degree

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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I mean its nightmare bots tho

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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but the problem is quake is very much about being in your opponents head

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its a very human game

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a bot will never really outsmart you, or catch you by surprise, because it always plays optimally

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Hmm

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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and if you play under the assumption it will always make good decisions, you will know what its going to do

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however humans constantly make awful decisions

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and will catch you off guard because of it

shut mesa Mar 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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eventually you'll be able to use your psychic abilities to predict where your enemy is coming from and launch a rocket just in time to the place he'll be 5 seconds from now

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Weeell at least i know im good at tf2

shut mesa Mar 20, 2018, 4:18 PM

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✨ 👁 ✨

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Not to stroke myself dry here

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:19 PM

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lol

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no reason to doubt you

shut mesa Mar 20, 2018, 4:19 PM

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i miss tf2, thats one of the rare games i feel like i was great at

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AANYWAY

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dusk

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:20 PM

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^

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Is a happy feel-good game

prisma ivy Mar 20, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Bots in quake are alright for getting a feel for the game

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But yeah they play too well lol

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Same thing with fighting games

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:21 PM

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The little secret with demoknight is that he is actually as much a coward as spy is, you sneak up on the weakest dude there, kill him and dip

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:22 PM

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OH

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you mean hat fortress 2

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team fortress 2 never had demo knight

idle shell Mar 20, 2018, 4:22 PM

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har har har

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Yeah TF2 was always a fun one, put about 5000 hours into through rocket jumping and 6's

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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yeah same

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used to play cevo

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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I have over 1700 hrs

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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I too played cevo :)

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Shame considering i started in 2014

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:23 PM

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good times

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Played with a team that eventually went invite but dsl internet held my ping back too much to make it past im

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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r i p

jaunty meteor Mar 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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I have 2000 hours and maybe 90% of them are before 2013

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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yeah all of mine are like 2007-2008

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Im good at the game but neverplayed any other type of comp beside highlander

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Have 5000 across 3 accounts and 99% is before 2012

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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highlander was invented liek around the time i quit lol

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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HL was kinda baby shit lol

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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yes

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it was

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Highlander unlike sixes is fun af

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Thought it was dumb and has much less strategy to be had

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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sixes, or like real men played, SEVENS, was fun

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:25 PM

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You can't even change up your class roster in HL

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I remember 7's

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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yeah lack of adaptation

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hl sucked

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Sevens, havent heard that in a while

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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the shift towards that and 6's is what killed the game for me

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that and the sandman.

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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This is probably #gami_g material now

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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back when sandman stunned through ubers

gloomy frost Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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Sixes in tf2 feels baron

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Cuz the maps are huge

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 4:26 PM

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true, lets switch to #gami_g

summer otter Mar 20, 2018, 4:56 PM

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HappyFace

supple vessel Mar 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

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I was kind of disappointed with dusk, I'm not exactly stoked for ep 3, is amid evil any better

jade root Mar 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

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depends one what you are looking for

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also

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wrong channel to ask that in

lament crypt Mar 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

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hmmmmmmmm

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it's a matter of taste

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I like amid evil more, but I find both great

crimson folio Mar 20, 2018, 7:17 PM

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damm playin Dusk and CS at home and then playing COD 1 at School

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Crazy

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CHURO

lament crypt Mar 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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And maybe that's cause amid evil is the newer one

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when I played dusk for the first time I just couldn't stop

thin sphinx Mar 20, 2018, 7:47 PM

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i like dusk more its just i have played the levels so mch they are stale

winged otter Mar 20, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Dusk or AE? why not both!

thin sphinx Mar 20, 2018, 7:47 PM

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amid evil really great

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and the best solution to stale feeling games is new maps

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 8:28 PM

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I prefer dusk to ae, ae is fine.... But that's about it for me.

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@thin sphinx same for me, though I stopped playing for awhile and I'm coming back to it again now.

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 8:52 PM

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i'm really liking both of them but I also prefer DUSK to AE, i just straight up prefer guns over high fantasy, but it's still a great game regardless, both of them are :)

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 8:54 PM

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The level design is my greater issue with ae, its often painfully straightforward, and i felt the layouts just got bigger not more complex and harder to navigate.

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 8:54 PM

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I personally had a doozy of a time figuring out where to go

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Well then

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Episode 1 I quite enjoy but the other two.. Eh

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 8:55 PM

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also actually almost prefer giant levels like some of the ones in ae, E3M3 coming to mind right now, in awe at the size of it

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 8:56 PM

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E3M3 is a giant one, but, ironically, a quite linear one for me

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comparing even to E1M1

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 8:56 PM

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yeah it's pretty linear but there are still multiple paths to take, going up the side of the temple with planet jumps is my favorite

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Honestly, ep3 is a bit more linear than eps 1-2

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but that is not an issue or a flaw anyway

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 8:59 PM

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@vale oar see thats my issue, most of them despite you technically not being set on a straight path guide you through themselves in such a way that feels linear. Episode 1 started to break away from this. Its just something im not a fan of. It means my focus has to be dragged from the layouts to the combat which in my opinion just feels fine. Again as I've said amid evil is a great game, I just don't enjoy it that much.

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I like level design that forces me to explore a bit. Like e1m5 e1ms e1m9, e2m6 and many more from dusk, (those are just what popped into my head)

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:02 PM

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For me, a perfect "exploring-like" level will always be Refueling Base from Doom 2

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imo

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it is great

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:02 PM

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HoW aM i StiLL a RaT

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:03 PM

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No idea

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Spam here a little bit

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:03 PM

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lol

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:03 PM

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..and get a ban instead of a Soldier rank

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: D

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:04 PM

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thats a good trade

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:04 PM

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But yeah, I really really really want to love amid evil but I just cant bring myself to do it.

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:04 PM

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(that was a joke)

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:04 PM

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@woeful sonnet Maybe Eps 4-7 will do some magic for ya:)

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:04 PM

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I hope so.

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But at this point I pretty much just have my sights set on e3 of dusk.

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:05 PM

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that one with reapers looks cool

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:06 PM

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Well my sights are set on all 3 games - Dusk, AE and IM, looks like I've been too "hungry" for such kinda games

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SUCK kinda lol

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goddamit

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Yeah i didnt mention im because it hadnt been in discussion but yeah.

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Speaking of non-linear levels, imo it is IM which gets it all

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Maybe it is too early to say that

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but man

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...

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:08 PM

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ep3 is just gonna be dead meat as far as the eye can see

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Agreed it is bliss

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 9:09 PM

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really like dusk and ae but ion maiden doesnt look interesting to me at all, something about that doom look

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:09 PM

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cant see any doom in there honestly:)

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Duke3D for sure

eternal carbon Mar 20, 2018, 9:10 PM

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sure i guess you can say it looks like that too

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:10 PM

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I am chased by a thought we've been speaking in a wrong channel all this time🤔

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😄

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Kinda but dusk has been in discussion so 😋

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Yeeeah okay:))

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:11 PM

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IMs fun is like 40% references

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:12 PM

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But yeah due to general discussion itd probably fit better in gaming

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Cannot agree upon that dude

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Nah

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I hadnt even noticed them the first time

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Yeah I CAN agree the enemy variety is still a bit lame (biggest issue for me now), but the game itself is HOT

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Blood is my favorite fps from the 90s and it feels like a solid evolution of blood to me so

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:13 PM

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yeah had the same thoughts

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It's like all about Duke+Blood+SW

summer reef Mar 20, 2018, 9:13 PM

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"Dusk is the Blood 2 gamers wanted" - Some full release review, probably

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Sooo...

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:14 PM

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@summer reef i mean its kinda true

tawny briar Mar 20, 2018, 9:14 PM

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I try blood and after like ep 2 it just dies for me but I love DN

woeful sonnet Mar 20, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Lets move this to gaming 😂

vale oar Mar 20, 2018, 9:14 PM

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lol yeah

crimson folio Mar 20, 2018, 9:35 PM

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Dusk is Dusk mah dudes, crafted together by a maestro of mapmaking and artistic vision... Jank for jank's sake, border forest that REFUSES to try and convince you it is anything but... Inspired by classics and Chasm?.... Dusk is a movement, a magical piece in a revolution and return to amazing gameplay... And an inspiration to old guys like me to resurrect TCs from 20 years ago because dangit... They are fun... Thank you Dusk, for being. You do you, Dave.. you do you.

mild ginkgo Mar 20, 2018, 10:01 PM

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this is the good stuff

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this is what dusk is

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i really like your wording

nocturne compass Mar 20, 2018, 11:13 PM

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You forget Big John

dim valve Mar 20, 2018, 11:50 PM

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I still love how people have recently been complaining that Dusk looks too low-poly or that it has level geometry that's too simple.

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Where have you been for the last year?

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:29 AM

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So one time I heard someone say (and I have no idea who it was) something along the lines of "players are never wrong about what they feel, but they are often wrong about why they feel that way." That's stuck with me, and a lot of the time it's true. Like in this case, many complaints about Dusk's visuals say things like "it's way blockier than the games it emulates" etc, which is... frankly not true. At least as far as polycount etc. What they're actually seeing is me not being experienced enough as a modeler or texture artist to make assets that cover over that polycount as well as Quake/Half-life/etc

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That and I think people assume Dusk is intended to look EXACTLY like Quake, which wasn't the intent. It's most similar to Quake, but I was taking cues from all sorts of games pre-Quake and post-Quake. In hindsight maybe this was a bad idea. Heck, in hindsight aiming for visual authenticity rather than "it's like you remember" was probably a bad idea.

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But I've been in love with mid-late 90s visuals since I was a young teenager and kind of went nuts emulating all the stuff I'd wanted to emulate for years.

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:32 AM

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tl;dr version: dumb steam users are dumb

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also youtube comments

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:32 AM

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well... this is giving them the benefit of the doubt that they've actually played those old titles in recent memory, or at all :P

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:32 AM

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youtube comments on NB games make me lose faith in humanity

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fortunately i can just play dusk to regain that

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

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and not just loaded up ad sepulcher and assumed that's what Quake looked like

eternal carbon Mar 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

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funny enough dusk was what actually made me go back and play games like quake and stuff haha

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

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(hint: it didn't. Play ep4 and try telling me Dusk is blocky and bland compared to Quake :3)

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

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i'm screenshotting that cat face david

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:33 AM

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I mean, honestly, Quake was already really top of the pile when it comes to looking really good

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Looking 'a bit worse than quake' still puts it at 'better than most of the games from back then'

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:34 AM

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better than chasm 😉

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:36 AM

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ehhhh, I would say Chasm's assets were better than Quake

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it just had a super limited engine

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its texture work is really good

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:36 AM

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chasm had 3d chairs. 10/10

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Quake's modelling and animation is pretty nice in some areas.

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The UV mapping though just makes me want to scream, even if it came from technical limitations.

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Its assets, maybe, but most of its level designs look really bland

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and simple

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Quake used its assets really damn well

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:37 AM

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i mean, people shit on Dusk's modelling but honestly I can picture the leathernecks and cultists clearly in my mind. how many strogg from Quake 2 can you picture perfectly without having played the game recently?

crystal vessel Mar 21, 2018, 12:37 AM

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I can picture them just fine

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:37 AM

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at least ep's 1-3 did, ep4 has always been jank tbh

crystal vessel Mar 21, 2018, 12:37 AM

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I actually like Quake 2 though

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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@rare musk right, that's because Chasm's engine is weird and really limited

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literally couldn't do verticality :P

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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for me, I remember elements, but piecing them together becomes a blur

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Dusk's enemies are simple and memorable just like the best of doom and quake's enemies

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Well, that wouldn't help

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Seriously though, the UV mapping in Quake is just, horrid in a lot of areas.

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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I probably should play chasm at some point

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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ehh

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you need a high tolerance for jank

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and a fast CPU

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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I like me some jank

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:38 AM

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@sly path heh I actually studied Quake models to figure out a workflow to emulate that

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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I do appreciate the technical aspects of Quake though, and the jank of the vertex animations.

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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In hindsight it seems like most retro FPS fans aren't as attached to retro VISUALS as I am

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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that's because most "retro FPS fans" probably played Doom 2016 followed by Brutal Doom and suddenly considered them experts on the sub-genre

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harsh

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Despite being blocky and non interpolated, there's a nice charm to the singular mesh models and animations.

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:39 AM

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but you know it's true

rare musk Mar 21, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Or, again, been following the quake mapping scene for two decades and is used to all the heights it's reached

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:40 AM

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the /vr/ people probably like Dusk and AE when they're not ragging on them endlessly

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like most old games on there

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:40 AM

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yeah I turn off animation interpolation in every Quake port I've used

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I like the jerky animations :P

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:40 AM

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The interpolation just destroys the artistry anyway.

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 12:40 AM

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me too

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:41 AM

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it kinda destroys the animation pace and energy for sure

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 12:41 AM

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hate watching the muzzle flash zoop through the model

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:41 AM

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zoop?

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zoopclip mode enabled

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:41 AM

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I just hate the distortion that re interpolating vertex animations often has.

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:42 AM

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off-topic as fuck but that one new throwback game in development (wrath?) looks seriously awesome. I love AE and Dusk but that guy's created the coolest retro FPS style yet imo

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the one with the triple shotgun

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 12:43 AM

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ahh ninjad

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yeah that looks really awesome visually

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:43 AM

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i'm glad he shifted from sprites to 3d models. the 3d models carried more weight imo

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:44 AM

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I do admit I kinda want to see an FPS game that's got a really happy tone juxtaposed with horrible horrible violence.

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:44 AM

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that would be really cool, but too disturbing for most audiences

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i'm picturing those shootout scenes from kickass 1 when you say that

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just with trippy visuals

sly path Mar 21, 2018, 12:45 AM

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I'm kinda picturing like, a 1940s-60s cartoon, just with more blood.

warped saffron Mar 21, 2018, 12:45 AM

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I feel like Happy Tree Friends wore out the happy/gory thing a long time ago.

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Also Conker.

dim valve Mar 21, 2018, 12:45 AM

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#gami_g anyone?

warped saffron Mar 21, 2018, 12:45 AM

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where is #gambling

crisp lion Mar 21, 2018, 4:59 AM

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📎 anotherone.png

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📎 gowaway.png

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📎 step1.png

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destroy windows

📎 step2.png

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move box to destroyed window

📎 step3.png

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jump in, no yellow key needed to get in the chapel

📎 step4.png

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 5:06 AM

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What about it?

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Are you implying its NOT A FEATURE?!?!

true cypress Mar 21, 2018, 5:18 AM

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I feel like yellow key areas are all enterable without the key

eternal carbon Mar 21, 2018, 5:32 AM

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a lot of keys are skippable in the game lol

prisma kestrel Mar 21, 2018, 5:50 AM

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Unintentional Feature(tm)

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(a bunch of us Doom mapper geeks refer to that as "Leave It In")

idle shell Mar 21, 2018, 5:54 AM

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A wonderful approach

true cypress Mar 21, 2018, 6:00 AM

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Bethesda also has that approach

uneven belfry Mar 21, 2018, 6:15 AM

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A lot of games should approach mapping in the sense of they can follow the story closely or try to do something clever

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Aka like break windows and hop in, glitch inside, or just get the key like normal

summer otter Mar 21, 2018, 7:00 AM

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KeyToTheDoor HappyFace

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Hey @thorn trout I know you as the dev who cares way too much about useless features so why aren't there any lampshades or lightswitches in either E1M2 or E1M7? (Also speaking of useless features I want the sword's charged attack to be able to break cracked walls)

flat juniper Mar 21, 2018, 7:56 AM

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BIGJOHN

modern trellis Mar 21, 2018, 8:23 AM

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Give me big box or give me death.

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 8:24 AM

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66.6 $

modern trellis Mar 21, 2018, 8:28 AM

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On a serious note, is there a place to listen to all of the level tracks?

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Yeah, ripping the game files.

modern trellis Mar 21, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Looking to listen to dead of night, and I can't find it on YouTube anymore.

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 8:31 AM

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not yet

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there's a few on andrew's youtube but that's about it

modern trellis Mar 21, 2018, 8:36 AM

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I'm not one who usually gravitates towards game soundtracks for recreational listening, but holy fuck, that track is great.

crystal vessel Mar 21, 2018, 8:37 AM

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I'm actually listening to Hand Cannon for the billionth time at the moment

viral gate Mar 21, 2018, 8:38 AM

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I tend to listen to game soundtracks as much as I listen to just regular music

modern trellis Mar 21, 2018, 8:43 AM

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The only game tracks I've listened to are a few from Twisted Metal 1. That had some great heavy metal tracks composed for it. Andrew shows that same level of quality in his own work.
Welp. It's almost 5AM. I'm passing out.

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 8:45 AM

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i play handcannon in clone hero

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 8:46 AM

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someone mapped that?

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 8:46 AM

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yeah

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 8:46 AM

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is it not shit?

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 8:47 AM

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i mean, besides being relatively easy, no

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 8:47 AM

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DM chart pls

viral gate Mar 21, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Huh just checked out clone hero looks cool I'm gonna give it a go

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 8:49 AM

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it's the tits

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 8:49 AM

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it's the best GH sim out there these days

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since phase shift stopped getting updates years ago and GH3 customs are all over the place

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i haven't played it much though since my guitar controller overstrums 😦

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gotta get a new one somewhere

viral gate Mar 21, 2018, 8:50 AM

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Good thing I kept a guitar 👍

deft salmon Mar 21, 2018, 11:17 AM

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WOAH

📎 20180321081132_1.jpg

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DAMN

📎 20180321081113_1.jpg

echo epoch Mar 21, 2018, 11:45 AM

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YUP

delicate cairn Mar 21, 2018, 1:21 PM

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Nice!

📎 LoadingScreen.png

vale heath Mar 21, 2018, 1:22 PM

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is this seriously a nod to E1M2 of Doom I

📎 unknown.png

jaunty meteor Mar 21, 2018, 1:23 PM

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Yuppo

tame tide Mar 21, 2018, 1:23 PM

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@delicate cairn wait

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what is dis

delicate cairn Mar 21, 2018, 1:24 PM

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I found it in the DUSK files

tame tide Mar 21, 2018, 1:24 PM

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huh

vale heath Mar 21, 2018, 1:25 PM

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cmc sns

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also I might be considered heresy

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that I disabled auto-run

deft salmon Mar 21, 2018, 1:26 PM

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I didnt know you could get over that gate at the end of E1M2 in Dusk

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I got over it by having some crazy momentum after going up the ladder

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Really good timing too as I was kind of pitching the game to my friends, spreading the word of DUSK

tame tide Mar 21, 2018, 1:27 PM

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did they Rike it?

📎 hideo-kojima-620x349.png

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 1:45 PM

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@delicate cairn That was indeed used as a loading screen at one point lol

eternal carbon Mar 21, 2018, 2:06 PM

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will no doubt be modded back into the game by some one after dawn is out

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 2:54 PM

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@opal plover lightswitches and the like were planned, and of course can be seen in the pre alpha, but I ended up cutting them because they caused performance issues and created some problems for me when making/lighting the levels, and very few people noticed and used them anyway.

jaunty meteor Mar 21, 2018, 2:54 PM

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I did :c

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Breaks my heart

thorn trout Mar 21, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Yeah I would have liked to have them but it wasn't practical unfortunately.

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 2:58 PM

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lightswitch mod when

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:^)

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Smh devs, you're lucky we'll get the modding tools, can't belive the players will have to put in the features that actually matter.

shut mesa Mar 21, 2018, 2:58 PM

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$20 on steam workshop

mild ginkgo Mar 21, 2018, 2:58 PM

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well, now that we have vastly improved lightmapping technology thanks to zombie

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possibly

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we wont have to use direct lights for the light switches

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and can instead prebake lit rooms

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and swap them on switch

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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I mean we could do that but I'm not even sure what a good workflow would be for that

mild ginkgo Mar 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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there isnt one

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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lmao

mild ginkgo Mar 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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its awful

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hence why david hasnt used them

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lmao

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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one potential hacky way of doing it would be to calculate "additive" lightmaps for each light

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when they get switched on or off you merge the lightmap with the additive maps for all active lights

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and set the lightmaps to that

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Oh speaking of, Zombie will those alpha switches (the yellow ones that look vaguely like mousetraps) be in the mapping tools?

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I don't even know if those are still in the project files

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I may have to rip them from the alpha builds

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but there's nothing stopping you from ripping them yourself as well

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since ultimately they're just textures

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in a freely available build

opal plover Mar 21, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Yeah, I just really want the mappers to have as access to as many assets as possible.

prisma halo Mar 21, 2018, 3:06 PM

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basically whatever I can find I'll shove in there

frozen heart Mar 21, 2018, 3:08 PM

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whens simpsons dusk

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and batman dusk

cerulean sun Mar 21, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Pokemon dusk

tame tide Mar 21, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Dusk Go

prisma kestrel Mar 21, 2018, 3:46 PM

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dusk dusk goose

trim prairie Mar 21, 2018, 4:31 PM

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super dusk bros

crimson folio Mar 21, 2018, 4:33 PM

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XASER!? WOAH!

vale oar Mar 21, 2018, 4:46 PM

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I'm starting to suspect that The Nameless City is actually a fucking hellish pit where Shillbot came from

serene needle Mar 21, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Are you talking shit about Shillbot?

idle shell Mar 21, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Just leave a review that says "Destroy Shillbot"

vale oar Mar 21, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Kinda

serene needle Mar 21, 2018, 4:48 PM

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~~shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he can see our messages~~

vale oar Mar 21, 2018, 4:48 PM

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so let him

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whatever

vague egret Mar 21, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Heretics

idle shell Mar 21, 2018, 5:02 PM

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No, this is dusk. Heretic is a different game.

steady aurora Mar 21, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Oh god, Shillbot.

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He's always been here, always watching

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He is our creator, thus he is the destroyer too

rotund hinge Mar 21, 2018, 5:20 PM

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For real though Heretic was an amazing game

tame tide Mar 21, 2018, 6:46 PM

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📎 Lb3c-WP-d4M.png

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Big John 2.0

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(my cousin)

vale oar Mar 21, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Ughahaha!

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Oky so

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We had Son of Intoxigator

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And now...

crimson folio Mar 21, 2018, 7:36 PM

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@rotund hinge great weapons, good enemies and soundtrack, ok maps... Especially later episodes were soooo meh.... E1m5 the city was my favorite

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Heretic I mean

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A good modern source port big scale mod of Heretic not called Amid Evil would be a good play indeed... Got to add some more decorate items though... Not enough good sprites for map decor

rotund hinge Mar 21, 2018, 7:53 PM

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It's ludicrous to me that Heretic hasn't gotten a proper reboot.

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DOOM, Shadow Warrior, Wolfenstein, Rise of the Triad... Quake if you count Quake Champions (they're trying so hard)

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like. Heretic when. XD

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But Amid Evil is perfect for me honestly

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 7:54 PM

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some of them's fightin words

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gonna get lynched for speaking positively about qc

rotund hinge Mar 21, 2018, 7:55 PM

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It's hard to be negative when I was conned into spending $30

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I'd rather just have faith that it was a good $30

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I mean for crying out loud, Quake 1 is freakin' awesome but I missed the boat. I wasn't even alive then.

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And I didn't know Dusk was gonna come to save the day either. I found out about it like two weeks ago.

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I thought Quake Champions was the last chance to sorta "live" that arena shooter stuff.

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Turns out it isn't "that" arena shooter stuff, it's some new garbage, lol

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Also

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QC:DE

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is pretty dank

gloomy frost Mar 21, 2018, 7:59 PM

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I like d4t better personally

crimson folio Mar 21, 2018, 8:23 PM

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I loved QC until it was too broken. Now I think it will flop.

cold kelp Mar 21, 2018, 8:24 PM

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hi

vague egret Mar 21, 2018, 8:27 PM

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flop? its not even out

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people are quick to forget its not out of testing yet

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 8:28 PM

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That game can't really be fixed without a complete rework

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Qc as it is is awful

fair mirage Mar 21, 2018, 8:33 PM

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which is what they're doing if you pay attention to the patches thunk

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 8:34 PM

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No, I'm not actually. Why would I be reading patch notes for a game I don't like?

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I'll try again when it's out of beta

chilly kiln Mar 21, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Its gonna be F2P right? bettin whole lotta loot boxes rn. Otherwise there is no hope for that game.

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I recently replayed the mission packs for Quake and then went to get a little bit of Dusk endless in and my god Quake is a lot slower than I remeber

opaque spindle Mar 21, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Yes because a developer shouldn't make money off of there game

chilly kiln Mar 21, 2018, 8:39 PM

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I meant no offense I'm just sayin'. I don't care about loot boxes until they directly screw with gameplay, which is, at this point not gonna be surprising.

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Anyways got a quick question if it can be answered

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in the .wad that's gonna eventually be released for TrenchBoom will it contain a good chunk of entities or like most of them or....... Thx in advance

crimson folio Mar 21, 2018, 8:42 PM

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I've then imagined modders recreating Quake Champions in Dusk. Think of how awesome that would be.

summer otter Mar 21, 2018, 8:44 PM

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HappyFace

deft salmon Mar 21, 2018, 8:48 PM

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I killed Big John and I feel terrible about it

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Such a sweet man, lost simply to an army of riveter rockets

gloomy frost Mar 21, 2018, 9:02 PM

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in dusk 2, big john comes back all cyborg ish

chilly kiln Mar 21, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Bigger John

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Does DUSK run off of Unity? I faintly remember hearing that

crimson folio Mar 21, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Yes, it does.

chilly kiln Mar 21, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Through my defiantly corrupted thought process Im gonna mad scientist a way for this onto my switch.... somehow... 😎

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But for real Id buy that for a set of 20 dollars again

robust oar Mar 21, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Quake Champions isnt bad change my mind

graceful wing Mar 21, 2018, 10:32 PM

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do it in #gami_g

robust oar Mar 21, 2018, 10:33 PM

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I was just memeing

woeful sonnet Mar 22, 2018, 1:49 AM

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(I mean its true tho)

crisp lion Mar 22, 2018, 7:14 AM

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which level does Dead of Night play on?

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E1M7?

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dusk plot twist: it's in the same universe as Blood, and DuskGuy is either his descendent or reincarnation

crystal vessel Mar 22, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Dead of Night is the name of the level

sly path Mar 22, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Plot twist, DUSK 2 has nothing to do with DUSK

idle shell Mar 22, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Dusk 2, however, will have something to do with DUSK

sly path Mar 22, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Oops, I made a typo.

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 11:39 AM

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how is ep3 progressing? maybe a little new info or screenshots? 🙏

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Sorry

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We're at the point in ep3 where we don't want to spoil anything

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Progress is good, I can tell you that

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 11:41 AM

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how many months to release?

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Can't say nor would I say

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You know how it is. We don't set deadlines

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Cause we will miss them

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And people will get angry

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 11:42 AM

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Ye

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 11:42 AM

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Deadlines make people rush

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 11:42 AM

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We'll announce a date when we're sure we'll hit that date

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 11:43 AM

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You don't want ep3 to be rushed

summer reef Mar 22, 2018, 11:44 AM

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A non-reasonable deadline makes people rush

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 11:45 AM

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Here's our deadline: before the universe ends

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 11:46 AM

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so tommorow?

summer reef Mar 22, 2018, 11:46 AM

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SOON™

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Basically before Half-Life 3

rare musk Mar 22, 2018, 11:47 AM

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jab, you know that deadline ain't gonna be hit

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don't go setting impossible goals now

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 11:47 AM

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I didn't know a canceled game can actually finish itself

summer reef Mar 22, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Didnt you know?

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I have Stalker 2 installed on my PC right now

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 11:48 AM

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Woah

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 12:49 PM

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suggestion,make increased enemies count with higher difficulty like in doom

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 12:50 PM

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Nah

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Would require a huge rebalance to the game

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Plus we don't want players who are less skilled to miss out on enemies

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Everyone deserves to slaughter the full amount of monsters

opal plover Mar 22, 2018, 12:51 PM

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E3 is getting to the points that David doesn't want to spoil (aka where it gets real nuts) if we look at E2 for reference I assume David has just started E3M7.

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Well by that I mean E3M6 is about half done and he's thinking about E3M7

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 12:55 PM

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You're free to predict how far along he is but even most of QA is in the dark about his progress, so we can't give any solid answers

opal plover Mar 22, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Also really hoping E3 has an equivalent to the black mesa questionable ethics shootout or the wolfenstein courthouse fight, a section that you can look at and really think "Wow that is definitely the most intense fight of the game"

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 1:03 PM

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Ep3 progress is kept on a need to know basis even internally

jaunty meteor Mar 22, 2018, 1:12 PM

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It'd be cool if at least the option to have difficulty-specific monsters is available in the SDK; I always thought it was cool how some Doom levels radically changed between normal and ultra-violence

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 1:37 PM

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I can see that being a mod

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It'd be cool af

deft salmon Mar 22, 2018, 2:27 PM

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Ok sorry guys but this is ep3's release date

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DUSK Episode 3 will exclusively be avalible on the Avainstation 4 launch day as a launch title for the system

tame tide Mar 22, 2018, 2:30 PM

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eks dee

vale heath Mar 22, 2018, 2:30 PM

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SHOTGUN_PUMP.WAV

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 2:37 PM

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The power button looks like a

fossil oriole Mar 22, 2018, 2:43 PM

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yo Leatherneck amiibo when? I want to scan it into Mario Odyssey and see if I get the chainsaw murderer costume

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 3:42 PM

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kill_the_intruder.wav

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EPISODE 4 WHEN

idle shell Mar 22, 2018, 3:57 PM

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When's the next season coming out?

thin sphinx Mar 22, 2018, 3:57 PM

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shush david doesnt know hes makinga ep4 yet

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lets let it be a suprise for him

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Episode 666

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redurtni eht lliK

exotic ibex Mar 22, 2018, 4:20 PM

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📎 dusk.PNG

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📎 dusk_2.PNG

tame tide Mar 22, 2018, 4:20 PM

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Its cancelled

exotic ibex Mar 22, 2018, 4:22 PM

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good, it was shit anyways

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too many cutscenes

tame tide Mar 22, 2018, 4:23 PM

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vague egret Mar 22, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Too much shoot

tame tide Mar 22, 2018, 4:24 PM

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The dialogue system was complete trash

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 4:24 PM

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Dusk is a videogame and videogames are bad okay?

graceful wing Mar 22, 2018, 4:26 PM

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It is takes too long to level up

idle shell Mar 22, 2018, 4:27 PM

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There weren't enough moral choices

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And your choices didn't matter

fossil oriole Mar 22, 2018, 4:28 PM

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you shoot scary guys and all of you need to consider how those scary guys feel in all of this, they are being mistreated and game must be cancel

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 4:42 PM

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also no lootboxes=trash

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 4:51 PM

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No minigun for the player.

exotic ibex Mar 22, 2018, 4:56 PM

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no overpriced monkeys on weapons=trash

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 5:02 PM

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ZOMBIE MOD FOR DUSK WHEN

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Not enough zombie games these days

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vigams rule

jaunty meteor Mar 22, 2018, 5:20 PM

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I hope the chainsaw dudes/doctors get reskinned into undead-type enemies for EP3, that'd be convenient for the cemetery map I'm making

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 5:36 PM

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A fantastic cemetery example.. Return of the Living Dead. Its one of the most creepiest for sure... That is a classic B horror film

jaunty meteor Mar 22, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Wow, that's actually the EXACT cemetery I was doing for my map!

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Along with the adjacent cul-de-sac and storage facility

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I'll post some pics in #general-art

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 5:58 PM

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YOU KIDDIN

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That's awesome.... Those zombies would suck... If that is what rises up from Graves and morgues just end me now

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I think Dusk could handle an appropriate amount of ROTLD zombies... Rushing at you all at once in tight spaces... Dead...

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Send. More. Paramedics. Haha

gloomy frost Mar 22, 2018, 7:38 PM

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no sprinting or regenerating health 0/10

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 7:43 PM

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you forgot lack of lootboxes

exotic ibex Mar 22, 2018, 7:43 PM

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and over priced rainbow gloves

gloomy frost Mar 22, 2018, 7:50 PM

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yeah those too, and redundant spray patterns

robust cedar Mar 22, 2018, 8:18 PM

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When is the Brutal Dusk mod going to be released?

fair mirage Mar 22, 2018, 8:18 PM

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in 2100

winged otter Mar 22, 2018, 8:21 PM

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hopefully never

jade root Mar 22, 2018, 8:22 PM

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never

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you dont need it

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Episod 3 cancell

gloomy frost Mar 22, 2018, 9:20 PM

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aw fuck

summer otter Mar 22, 2018, 9:20 PM

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HappyFace

gloomy frost Mar 22, 2018, 9:20 PM

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i cant believe you done this

crimson folio Mar 22, 2018, 9:23 PM

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super mariio saying óhhhhhh nóó

rough egret Mar 22, 2018, 10:33 PM

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is the dusk ost in the files that I could just play and listen to on my own or do I gotta go with whats on youtube and shit

tawny briar Mar 22, 2018, 10:34 PM

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did u buy the game before Xmas

rough egret Mar 22, 2018, 10:35 PM

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uhhh

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i doubt it

tawny briar Mar 22, 2018, 10:35 PM

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if u did then u get the ost on steam for free when the full game is out

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if not I think u can but it when the full game is out

rough egret Mar 22, 2018, 10:36 PM

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alright that works i think

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the track that plays on e1 m2 when you go to get the red key is so dope and i wa sjust curious

rare musk Mar 22, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Yeah, the soundtrack's going to be sold with the digital deluxe edition. People who bought the game before christmas last year all technically have that.

eternal carbon Mar 22, 2018, 10:40 PM

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ow dang, i bought dusk like 3 days after christmas lol

tawny briar Mar 22, 2018, 10:41 PM

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too slow

pulsar bough Mar 23, 2018, 2:35 AM

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If you send andrew some cummies in the mail im sure he'll send you a copy

crisp lion Mar 23, 2018, 2:42 AM

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http://steamcommunity.com/app/519860/discussions/0/2949168687323213077/

Wendigo bois :: DUSK DUSK

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I was meant to say DUSK/New Blood Discord, but whatever lol

serene needle Mar 23, 2018, 3:10 AM

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I don't think sending andrew cummies will help

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 3:57 AM

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I was thinking what a good price for a 1 episode expansion would be, at first I thought of 5 dollars but then I found the much more fitting price of

📎 Capture.PNG

rocky blaze Mar 23, 2018, 4:32 AM

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I hope somebody makes “brutal dusk” when we finally get steam workshop.

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 4:38 AM

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modding SDK seems like it would definitely allow for it. i think zombie was already working on some kind of dismemberment that would be possible with the SDK

serene needle Mar 23, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Zombie is pretty much working on everything

prisma ivy Mar 23, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Certified Cool Dude™

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:33 AM

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If someone makes "Brutal Dusk" I will personally carry out their execution

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Certified cool dude indeed.

crisp lion Mar 23, 2018, 5:36 AM

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It'll probably be MarkIV that makes brutal dusk

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lol

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 5:38 AM

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If you like brutal doom you are as low as someone who likes anime.

woeful sonnet Mar 23, 2018, 5:38 AM

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Ill pin him down

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:39 AM

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Has Mark ever commented on Dusk?

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 5:39 AM

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I just want a mod that makes the blood decals spawn consistently.

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:39 AM

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I don't recall him voicing an opinion on it

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 5:39 AM

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I remember him saying that he liked it and the music.

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 5:39 AM

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Because currently the blood decals aren't the most consistent things in the world.

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:39 AM

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What's inconsistent about them currently?

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 5:40 AM

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How often they spawn, the fact the blood puff is too large relative to the decal they spawn etc.

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I get a bit pedantic about blood mechanics.

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Aren't there like more blood decals/gibs you can see in the DW main menu? I'd like to see them in the game.

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:41 AM

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I like how it works currently but you could totally change it with a mod

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 5:41 AM

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I guess the amount of blood is up to personal taste.

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:42 AM

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@opal plover they're the normal gib models with other map objects shoved into them to look unique afaik

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 5:42 AM

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What about the decals though

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 5:42 AM

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I just like seeing the blood feel like a physical thing rather than it just be some weird gas that disappears into the nether realm.

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:42 AM

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Dunno about the decals

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 5:44 AM

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The game is already really satisfying though, so my gripes with the blood system don't break the game feel for me.

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The slide system in DUSK is A+

prisma halo Mar 23, 2018, 5:46 AM

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More physical blood and gore is totally doable

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:05 AM

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once you know how the blood decals in dusk work

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its very consistent

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:06 AM

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I'm guessing it's just a raycast method?

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:07 AM

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basically, yeah, as long as your hits are within a certain distance of a surface that allows decals, itll paint a blood decal there

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:07 AM

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That's kinda my problem with the method.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:08 AM

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theyre just very small decals relative to other games

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i think thats the real problem people have

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they want it to be more visual

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Raycast methods lead to pretty bad response, because often the blood puff goes no where

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:08 AM

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nah its got nothing to do with the blood puff

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barking up the wrong tree

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its the shots when they enter the enemy

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Yeah, I get that.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:09 AM

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it continues the initial raycast

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:09 AM

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But it still looks weird,

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The blood puff is what symbolizes the blood being spilled.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM

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sure, but thats just an arbitrary thing

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it just exists, has no interaction with anything

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:12 AM

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It would be nice to see a few decals spawned around the enemy though, just to make it feel less arbitrary.

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 6:13 AM

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i don't think Dusk uses a "real" decals system, pretty sure it's just a tiny plane aligned to the hit normal

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:13 AM

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but its entirely NON arbitrary

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 6:13 AM

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bigger blood decals would probably look weird on complex geometry

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:13 AM

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i think you want arbitrary decals

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like ones just kind of sprinkled near the enemies death location

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which is totally fine

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its even goofier than that lucas

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the entirety of the bulletholes and blood splats are particles

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 6:14 AM

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werent the "Decals" actually particles?

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yeah lmao

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:14 AM

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Oh.

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 6:14 AM

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that'll do it

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Does unity not have native decal support or something 😛

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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it does not.

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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somehow

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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we HAVE decals however, used throughout the game

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graffiti, etc

toxic wadi Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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i think the closest thing that Unity provides is the projector component thing

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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Ah/

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:15 AM

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thats right

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however procore has a decal system

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which dusk does use

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david just made a choice to tie the blood "decals" to the bullet entry wounds

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i think many people would just like to see MORE blood

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perhaps based upon gib landing locations or something

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:16 AM

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I just want to see the blood make a bit more sense,

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:17 AM

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but they literally only make sense

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thats the thing

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theres no "extra" blood as it were

opal plover Mar 23, 2018, 6:17 AM

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I'd just like the blood decals to be bigger.

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:18 AM

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There's no gravity to it though, it just either stains the wall or floor or it doesn't. It's on a set trajectory.

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I get that you can't really do curves with raycasts, but it just seems, weird.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:18 AM

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well thats because the only blood decals represented are exit wounds

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you're looking for MORE blood, like arterial sprays, etc

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which, definitely would be cool

rare musk Mar 23, 2018, 6:19 AM

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I mean, the exit wound system makes a lot less sense when talking about non-bullet weapons

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or gibbed enemies in general

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:20 AM

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Yeah, but this gravity issue also applies to the exit wounds and the such, sorry about beating a dead horse, but it just, disappears after a certain distancce.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:20 AM

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no i disgree

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the gravity you speak of IS represented

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:20 AM

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Oh.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:20 AM

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in that, if the blood were not able to reach a direct splatter location within a small distance, it just isnt drawn at all

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thats the gravity falloff as it were

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it basically deals only with the minimum extreme

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and doesnt try to represent anything in between

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so i wouldnt say that the blood decals dont make sense

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but rather

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MORE decals would make more sense

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:22 AM

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Sorry about constantly going in circles 500_pts.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:22 AM

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nah its a fun conversation

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i like seeing passion for gore systems

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they are VERY cool

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one of my favorites is l4d2

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:23 AM

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My issue with the fact that the exit wound stops being rendered after a certain distance is it means the blood just, disapears.

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When it could easily just land on the floor.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:23 AM

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yeah totally

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i feel like dusk could use "floor gore"

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if a gib lands somewhere, it could leave a stain

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etc

sly path Mar 23, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Most raycast gore systems have this sorta issue in general really, especially in source based games.

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:24 AM

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a lot of games at least draw blood on the ground where something died

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and dusk does no such thing

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and thats a major part of why it feels so disparate i feel

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after the gibs disappear, and the bodies are gibbed

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theres no evidence anything happened

shut mesa Mar 23, 2018, 6:25 AM

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the perfect crime

mild ginkgo Mar 23, 2018, 6:25 AM

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unless there was a nearby wall that happened to get an exit wound splatter

shut mesa Mar 23, 2018, 6:26 AM

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duskdude is actually just a hitman for the mafia and he has guys come clean up his messes