He'll make something like a map of hentai
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
crimson folio
prisma halo
To clarify, the SDK is for more than just mapping
It's just a moddable version of Dusk
Custom enemies, maps, weapons, etc
crimson folio
Dear god
tawny briar
i was typing that
tawny briar
ok so SDK is over
prisma halo
Way ahead of you
crimson folio
there better be water guns
tawny briar
NO
tawny briar
ok bye zombie
crimson folio
I'm surprised and yet totally not
prisma halo
lmao
crimson folio
Zombie hentai.exe
because this is the exact place I'd expect to find a cool dude like yourself
tawny briar
I just hope that dawn is EZ i suck at making maps
crimson folio
I was laughing my ass off at "Shot-kun" for days
prisma halo
If you're able to map for Quake, you can map for Dusk
Since the tools are the same there
tawny briar
I can use TB (mostly) I think I can make somthing
prisma halo
@crimson folio Super Shotkun is probably one of my favorite puns in the hdoom techdemo
crimson folio
it's just perfect
livid ridge
please ping the daylights out of me when an SDK drops
prisma halo
Well, Doom or any Doom engine game
crimson folio
I mean like the modding side of the game
prisma halo
Yes
crimson folio
I played it on my gba
damn
Wait
I bought doom
But it wouldn't work
Always stuck on the loading screen
prisma halo
You only need the wad file
tawny briar
is zdoom in the base folder
crimson folio
Doom gba gave me headaches
tawny briar
doom for SNES
prisma halo
It's impressive on a technical level but any GBA fps is going to have problems
prisma halo
Yeah
crimson folio
Gba
Switch doom is just the game with lower textures
i think switch just because even though the fps drops it's pretty crazy to have such a demanding game on a friggin' tablet
I think no shadows
idk
Oh
I thought they removed them
Well i usually play games at the lowest possible
prisma halo
It's also because the Switch is well designed
crimson folio
Since my pc is trash
prisma halo
Its graphics API is similar to Vulkan
crimson folio
I've been pretty hardcore pc gamer for a while but I've basically dropped all pc games except for runescape cause I've got so much switch to play
Dusk is the one thing that's making me boot steam back up
prisma halo
Dusk on Switch when amirite
crimson folio
no but cardboard though
YES
@gleaming berry please make dusk switch
That would hold weird
prisma halo
I'm aware ๐
crimson folio
Wouldn't it
I mean I know it's controllers vs
wait
motion
hnnnnnng
Oh
yes
prisma halo
Motion controlled sickle slashing
crimson folio
I play a lot of splatoon
so motion control aiming is second nature to me now
and before that I played a good bit of wii so that helped too
generally if you plunk down a sony or xbox or pc person with nintendo controllers they spazz
in my experience
zelda not worth it
imo
prisma halo
Multiplatform master race
crimson folio
jim is right, it's pretty much a ubisoft game
prisma halo
I still want to do a joke 3DS or Vita port of Dusk
crimson folio
that's fair
prisma halo
Port a small section of the game to Quake and run it on a homebrew port
crimson folio
it does but
the psp deserved better
the psp deserved two motherfucking circle pads from the start
prisma halo
You mean the PSTV?
crimson folio
and l2 and r2
prisma halo
I have an actual Vita
crimson folio
I'm used to em
prisma halo
You can hook up a DS3 or DS4 to the Vita if you hack it iirc
crimson folio
The ps2 controller I have right now is some gamestop thing but it's actually real nice
prisma halo
I assume you could fool around and get an Xbox controller working
tawny briar
lethernecks made of steel when?
crimson folio
no guys
remember the fucking boomerang
fuckin' remember that?
holy lol that sure was something
and then nintendo responds with a fucking remote control
and somehow it's more successful
isn't that crazy
ha
i'm biased so
flat ibex
crimson folio
playing switch with separated joycons feels a LOT like wiimote and nunchuk
so it's super natural for me
i can't wait to play splatoon against some dude with a pro controller and wreck him with separated cons
tbh
fucc
h/o
sw 1075 9868 1110
lol
Wrong chat
oh shit it's clam blitz
hell yeah
splattershot pro
room created
Nah :)
I'm just glad you're playing :)
not a waste at all <3
hollow ivyBOT
fair mirage
nerds
crimson folio
I'd understand if other people were talking
fair mirage
crimson folio
good idea
fair mirage
jade root
i love it when we say go to #bnnuy-and-the-jits and you flat out ignore us
real cool
keep it up
crimson folio
...
jade root
.mute 1440 @strange blaze
hollow ivyBOT
crimson folio
you don't
fair mirage
use pm's then
fair mirage
you did it
jade root
three failed attempts
prisma ivy
I remember when I added a message after a mute
mild ginkgo
We all learn through you every day
summer otter
๐
mild ginkgo
You serve as a constant inspiration
crimson folio
we are all learners on this blessed day
crimson folio
I missed the keys. I got sad. But now i'm not sad because BIG JOHN OF THE DAY
Also meme
crystal vessel
Do you have to
crimson folio
yes
simple gorge
Big John is my kink
tawny briar
plz no
simple gorge
XD
cerulean sun
๐ ๐ฆ
summer otter
fair tide
wonder when episode 3 is coming
balmy sluice
๐
summer otter
๐
simple gorge
episode 4 is first duh
summer otter
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
echo epoch
You can already play Ep3 if you load up Xen with one eye closed while wearing 3D glasses
crimson snow
waiting for sdk tho
crimson folio
This Oldusk enemy needs to make a return in ep3. Although slightly remodeled
@thorn trout
summer otter
prisma halo
It's called the Meat Lass
I made a rudimentary effort to salvage the model and its animations previously, but we found a version of it with more complete animations recently so I need to salvage that instead
I don't know if it'll actually be in Dusk proper but it'll be funny to see it used in mods
crimson folio
lol
I would love to play more oldusk builds.
I wonder if there's a build with a somewhat complete level.
prisma halo
You'll find out eventually :^)
crimson folio
now we have even more reason to hype for ep3/full release
ionic turtle
Dusk, but your only weapons are sickle and throwing sickle
opaque spindle
Can't wait until mods bring back the hammer
ionic turtle
Honestly the hammer makes it a hell of a lot darker than the Sickles
Like it just looks brutal
prisma halo
I can't wait until mods bring back the totem, amulet or dark claw ๐
ionic turtle
I just want weapon packs in general
I love seeing people make interesting weapons
If I could code I'd do it myself
prisma halo
thanks shillbot
ionic turtle
Thanks shillbot
crimson folio
tobllihS sknahT
rotund fern
marry me shillbot
hollow flame
Its the fake krab
weary harness
rich gate
oh yeah well i did it in 4
severe quail
I love big john
severe quail
aahahah
tough delta
a zombies like gamemode would honestly probably be pretty cool for dusk
crimson folio
Did somebody say Big John?
atomic egret
yeah like 2 hours ago
rain girder
a t h t e t i c s
random yew
NeoPripyat
opal plover
I always loved Babel Skylab for it's weird mix of esthetics. As in temple/rusty factory.
tough delta
@atomic egret yeah but like
for multiplayer
unless that's possible and i'm just dumb
idk i bought the game like 6 hours ago
opal plover
Endless mode but with a bigger more of a fortress type arena.
opal plover
Already have a basic concept for a fortress type endless map.
tough delta
endless with custom map support from workshop would honestly be the greatest thing
opal plover
What did you think there wuldn't be mod support with workshop? Think again!
prisma halo
I'm dreading workshop support tbh
I've never used steam workshop from any angle
neither developer nor modder
prisma halo
It'll be a learning experience, I suppose
atomic egret
co-op is coming post launch @tough delta
tough delta
i could not be more excited
gray remnant
crimson folio
No!
heavy mango
damn co-op?
vague egret
Yep
crimson folio
lmfao zombie dreads steam workshop support for the #1 fps on steam but worked on a porn mod just cause we wanted to
willow oriole
Workshop is so good
crimson folio
@crimson folio What?
livid ridge
So DuskDude is ~1.66x the height of Ranger. What is DuskDudes base speed, anyone?
livid ridge
nah hes 1.66x the height
what would probably be better is "Whats DuskDudes maximum jump distance?"
echo epoch
500 you lazy fuck we don't pay you this much to ignore muk
echo epoch
But, yeah, I can see why you need to know that stuff.
livid ridge
NOT THAT I CARE I QUIT MAPPING AND ALL I PLAY IS DUKE3D NOW
livid ridge
yeah 1.66x
but im thinking its dependant upon whatevers being used to import from unity to quake/tb
this probably isnt doable, honestly. lol. i justt need to wait for an SDK
i started this conversation in 3 servers now and im letting some people duke it out for the answer ๐
mild ginkgo
this weekend im doing custom mapping stuff
so i will get you that information more accurately
opaque spindle
letting some people Duke it out in DCโข
livid ridge
awesome. i plan on starting custom textures over the next week. so things like door height and maximum jump distance are on top of the list right now
Ill probably start with a remake of something(im thinking Aerowalk) because this will be easiest to get the "feel" of things right, i think
lol it was like a snowball effect...i just put the question out there about how to convert the measurements of speed and they wont shut up now ๐ @opaque spindle
earnest relic
m
fresh onyx
SDK HYPE 
gleaming berry
WEW
lucid trench
Whens the rough time of full release anyway? Last i heard was Q1
balmy sluice
Qsoon
gleaming berry
chur
sick lintel
dusk should have a sales goal with reward of dave doing a big john asmr
graceful wing
we'd reach that goal in about 12 minutes
gleaming berry
lol
nocturne compass
wait DUSK already have 1m copies?
quiet rose
summer otter
i ask that it sells more thank u
tough delta
do you guys plan on adding more custom models
mild ginkgo
yes
sullen carbon
I've bought seven copies thus far
Can't wait to buy the super nerd collector's edition
balmy sluice
crimson folio
birthday in 4 dayysss
literally only excited for it because then I'll have money to buy dusk
mild ginkgo
strong delta
Should there be like a DUSK - Super special "DUSKMARE" edition that comes with two sickles that you can put together as a little statue.
Or just comes with a figurine of one of the enemies. :P
strong delta
Alright, time to bring out my life's savings for that.
strong delta
Oh, then that's even better then. :D
Cause I'm just off over here listening to some DUSK songs, still hoping to get to hear the full version of the "MAMA" boss theme sometime. :P
cerulean sun
66.60
tough delta
we need a hammer to go with the sickle
jade root
no we dont
crimson folio
^
strong delta
Actually now I kinda wanna start some weird conversation, what is the best review of DUSK you ever seen on Steam?
Saw this one here and got a good chuckle out of it.
tough delta
you heard the man dave
vague egret
we dont really like the comparison. best avoided
maiden plaza
sorry
vague egret
restive sail
If you already have dusk, can you upgrade to collectors edition?
tawny briar
atomic egret
D A C O N
crimson folio
Can't wait for the dusk steam workshop submits
strong delta
I can't wait for EP3, Co-op & workshop, this is gonna be one awesome year. <3
opal plover
Big box edition too.
crimson folio
lolll, I read EP3 and I'm like, "Wait, people still think hl2ep3 is coming???"
yeah I dunno about the collector's edition
I'll have to judge once I get the game
opal plover
It has bacon scented soap with the dusk logo on it.
strong delta
I'd be careful handling such a dangerous object.
If that soap slips and hits you...yeah.
woeful jungle
Mine.
mild ginkgo
solid pick
crimson folio
hella
crimson folio
good bot
crimson folio
Top comment on Worth A Buy's review of Dusk.
Worth A Buy, older reviewer who namechecks getting a Voodoo 2 in the review and mentioning his amazement back then, gave it a solid recommendation though
gloomy frost
painkiller is good but not nearly as much as dusk
hearty condor
@gloomy frost hey buddy
gloomy frost
yo! wuz gud boipuss
crimson folio
I found the real duskdude.
tawny briar
is is that scarface
crimson folio
@weary harness WE DEMAND VIDEO FOOTAGE
@tawny briar No it's Jimmy Facescar. the protagonist of the hit 1983 movie Facescar.
tawny briar
oh damn u right how could i miss the fake gun it looked to real Im so sorry
and wtf change that whole thing when im typing
crimson folio
got nothing on TASERFACE
atomic egret
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OHOH I'M SORRY I'M SOrry
tawny briar
dame
tawny briar
IT WORKS
summer otter
tawny briar
I bet $5 that at the final boss of dusk its gonna say somthing like "To win the game you must kill me david szymanski" in reverse
pure breach
That or, "Eat your vegetables and brush your teeth after every meal." in reverse.
crimson folio
I vote for both
I personally hope we get a secret cat boss or something based on the 'demonic creature' pictures
atomic egret
there's already a secret rachel room I wouldn't be surprised if e3 had a secret lavender room
crimson folio
Hey guys, new to discord specifically to join this channel (I'm more of a classic IRC guy), I was wondering if a developer can point me in the direction to test for Mac (Sierra/High Sierra) and Linux (Solus) if/when available. I only purchase games with support for all three (including Windows) but if support isn't too far away I could make an exception. Please PM me with details of you have a firmer roadmap and what to do to become a tester. Overwhelmingly positive tester, Lifewine.
graceful wing
We're not ready to begin public testing on linux yet as support for it is scheduled to be a post release thing. Ourr main goal right now is to get the game as polished as possible on windows
Keep following us on here or the steam forums for updates on linux support though ๐
crimson folio
Will do mate. Does the same currently apply for MacOS or is there an internal build already?
graceful wing
mac is still a question mark at this point
if there's enough demand for it from the community we'll definitely do our best to deliver though
crimson folio
Ok, thanks.
potent kestrel
helo i am man for pakistani i kame here to make game can i plis help make game plis?
crimson folio
helou im from brazil (please come to) im here to lurk an steal your memes malandro
mild ginkgo
@crimson folio there was a mac build tested a long while back, you can expect us to begin the validation process after the game has released
crimson folio
@mild ginkgo Thank you for further clarification. I look forward to playing it. Will Steam achievements come in just prior to full release?
mild ginkgo
Yep exactly, achievements will likely be shipped at/slightly before release
As well as trading cards etc
There will be no MP achievements
placid pebble
hola, im from venezuela, i want the dev's food, i can make anything they want
thorn trout
placid pebble
That works โค
slate edge
i love it
woeful sonnet
I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant it
green pelican
oh wow
thorn trout
FRAPS COUNTER VISIBLE WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I just noticed
apparently I still forgot to turn it off
slate edge
Well, at least we know it`ll run like butter :D
winged otter
that ep3 screenshots have very Quake 1-ish feeling,i love it
crimson folio
Where is Big John, when you need him?
lean wolf
finished e2 ๐
good shit, bit too spooky for me at times but good thing i had my shotgun to comfort me
who will release episode 3 faster, valve or david
muted night
are we allowed to ask gameplay/story questions here, or is that spoiler?
muted night
where the dickens are all the keys in Cerberus Reactor?
woeful sonnet
Hiding ๐๐๐
Just look around the buildings. You'll come across them eventually.
paper oyster
finally bought dusk 
jade root
now refund it
paper oyster
kk
woeful sonnet
Then buy it again once steam stops holding your money hostage for 24 hours.
slate edge
HERESY DETECTED
muted night
++EXTERMINATUS++
i've just been running around the gizzard of the damn reactor for ages and can't find a single thing
slate edge
start with doors without key colours, explore them, the buildings hold all the keys
muted night
there are no doors w/out key colors though
slate edge
try the door under the turret
summer otter
trading cards are confirmed? fuck ya. I have left behind the feelings of needing to get a badge, but I love trading cards for the emotes, because I do this on my steam profile
i'll finally have the sickle emote of my dream
vague egret
vague egret
I should add a no heresy rule. All must submit to God emperor dave
slate edge
^^
jade root
implying dave has any power
summer otter
jade root
most people in this server could step on him
vague egret
I hanged out with him multiple times. Dude is ripped. Would not fight
opaque spindle
You guys are just wimps
vale oar
Actully Dave could step on me xD
mild chasm
You might be able to take Dave's first phase on but after that he unleashes his Chur powers
Phase two is near guaranteed destruction to any of his opponents
Phase three has gone undocumented as those who survive phase two are surpremely lucky and fled to avoid certain death
but legend has it that even if you kill him in that state of OmniChur, the world will cease to be regardless
Best if you just let him meme on us all instead
vale oar
Dark Souls 4: Chur of the Abyss
crimson folio
@thorn trout Playing Pit, I had NO IDEAR there was a "goodies" folder until ya'll said to go looking for the pre-pre-etc. alpha game... really neat Wolf3dlike
paper oyster
What's the accessible diffculty? The description makes it sound like a scaling difficulty. Is that the case? Or just an easier easy mode?
warped saffron
just easy
sacred robin
vague egret
spam, rule breaking stuff, ect
we try to keep the place clean for people who want to use the forum properly
naive jay
hey i don't participate in this discord at all really but huge thanks to whoever developed this game
i love single player campaigns w/ arena shooting, there's not much of that out there
naive jay
i will remember this ty friend
naive jay
+rep good dev david
tawny briar
how is he going to spoil ep3 ๐ค
warped saffron
yo make ep3 REALLY hard pls cmonnnn
tawny briar
U MAD MUN
warped saffron
cero miedo + intruder mode still isn't hard enuff. make me CRYYYyyyyy pls
What is up with difficulty in this game anyway? Just scales damage and fast monsters on CM right? I'm assuming it doesn't affect spawns because you can change it mid-level.
I'm talking about... more spawns on CM and you can't change the diff. Swamp me babyyyyyyy....
tawny briar
that would be cool like in quake
tawny briar
oh ya
warped saffron
ye ye Evil difficulty in AE is nice. It's still a bit easy on the preview build levels but you can tell AE gonna have DAT RAMP.
gleaming berry
Episode 2 is balls to the wall lol
I die on Easy
gotta ru to the end of the level and kite everyone
then hit em with aeturnum
crimson folio
wait what
tawny briar
u die.....on easy oh ok
crimson folio
you literally die on easy?
tawny briar
zack is typing the the burn of his life
warped saffron
lol no just typing slow and watching something
atomic egret
Smh Dave taking about ae in #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
tawny briar
warped saffron
Having Cero Miedo spawn extra monsters, or a toggled mode like Intruder that spawns extra monsters would be nice. Even on CM with Intruder Mode and self-imposed stuff like no soap, or no riveter... DUSK never demands enough of me to slip into a flow state like I have to on balls-hard Quake or Doom maps. DUSK never stops being fun but it doesn't really make my butt sweat nawmsayin?
slate edge
play on duskmare
crimson folio
can't really compare Dusk to Doom
slate edge
but i approve of the toggle
warped saffron
Eh... that's more annoying than challenging. It's a fun gimmick but it IS a gimmick difficulty. Doesn't really replace challenge through encounter design.
tawny briar
when I play I have to not go for secrects to make the game challenging
winged otter
agreed with Zack,Dusk is a little too easy,more enemies on CM is not a bad idea
woeful sonnet
@warped saffron episode 2 tho
lucid trench
Well once Dawn is out, nothing stopping us adding in enemy numbers to scale with difficulty ourselves
vale oar
Dusk is a bit easy because of ammo abundance and... uh.. some enemies could have a bit more HP, as for me
lucid trench
Thats another point, we can change ammo amounts too
woeful sonnet
The other thing is I did see the difficulties will be tweaked before launch somewhere in the steam forums.
lucid trench
Presumably anyway
vale oar
For now Amid Evil is MUCH harder than DUSK even on medium diff
woeful sonnet
I mean I still find episode 2 fairly difficult but dusk definitely has more challenge than doom ever did on uv
slate edge
i think enemies have just the right amount of HP
vale oar
well maybe it is just a matter of some weapons like riveter
woeful sonnet
The riveter is the biggest issue with e1 imo
vale oar
limiting down total ammo amount for it to 15 would be nice, and limiting the pickup maount too
slate edge
Episode 1 could do with budget cuts to the ammo and health department
vale oar
I think much will be changed for the final release
lucid trench
Isnt E1 usually easy in these sorts of games?
vale oar
not THIS easy:)
I mean
Blood was balls to the walls as Dave said
but even Doom 1 KDITD kicked ass sometimes
starting from e1m5
vale oar
well okay maybe i was sooo bad in it:))
lucid trench
And by E1M5 in Doom you had god knows how much Rocket Launcher ammo to abuse
woeful sonnet
Yup
lucid trench
I feel E2 for Dusk has the right difficulty
vale oar
okay the Mighty Three Build Engine Games were definitely harder in Ep's1 than Doom, Heretic etc
And yeah Ep2 in DUSK is doing alright with the difficulty
mild chasm
Episode 3 is just the monsters actually pouring out of the screen and killing everyone
in real life
thorn trout
Keep in mind guys that a lot of you on here are what could be considered top tier players for these sort of games, compared to the majority. We feel Ep2 difficulty is a good max level, so as not to alienate players who maybe aren't as skilled or used to these sort of games
Duskmare exists for people who want a big challenge
vale oar
Screw that MAKE THEM SUFFER xDxD
thorn trout
We did cut some ammo in Ep1 however, if anyone's played it recently
It's worth remembering that most casual retro FPS players I've seen try Build Engine games for the first time in years (or first time period) end up absolutely hating them and accusing them of not having aged well
tawny briar
FILTHY CASUALS
north oriole
personally I don't care about duskmare
thorn trout
and ultimately, we also hope that mod/mapping support will mean many different Dusk experiences for many different types of people. In this case, I have no doubt there will be lots of hard as balls user maps to choose from :)
and who knows, we might do a super hard expansion "for leet players only"
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
but yeah, Ep3 is going to remain on the difficulty level of ep2.
vale oar
Those screenshots from ep3 kick ass
thorn trout
thanks!
north oriole
and you kick ass david
vale oar
Yeah
thorn trout
also thanks :)
to clarify, are these difficulty issues about just ep1, or ep2 as well? Because we kinda felt that ep2 cm was about as hard as anyone would want pre-Duskmare
vale oar
for me ep2 is just fine, but still needs a bit ammo cut too IMO
warped saffron
@awesreek#4653 Episode 2 is still too easy. But to be fair... I'm comparing the difficulty to mods and wads like Arcane Dimensions and Ancient Aliens. Those are maps made by the community for a community of people who are extremely familiar with Quake and DOOM and have been playing incrementally harder and harder level sets for like 20 years sooo... :p
slate edge
Duskmare ep2 is pretty fun and very do-able
warped saffron
@thorn trout I don't consider myself to be that great at FPS really. I play Quake mods on Hard and DOOM mods on UV... DUSK Ep. 2 on CM/Intruder never really put the squeeze on me tbh. It's an enjoyable difficulty and FEELS incredible to play of course... but it's a pretty casual playthrough.
tawny briar
lets all wait for Sergeant Mark IV to see if he makes brutal dusk 
vale oar
It would be also nice if the Welders do a bit more damage to the player xD
thorn trout
that's the thing though, if you're playing Quake on hard and Doom mods on UV, you're on a much higher skill level for these sort of experiences than "normal gamers"
tawny briar
u mean filthy casuals
slate edge
clown vomit duskmare 21 fps for true pros
vale oar
pixelization 8
thorn trout
@vale oar which difficulty?
mild chasm
I don't really know how you can find E2 to be a casual playthrough on CM to be honest
woeful sonnet
Same @mild chasm
mild chasm
Even if you're used to that kinda tension
opaque spindle
Yeah
vale oar
@thorn trout Oh I mean more damage while exploding, sorry
thorn trout
Ahh I see
opaque spindle
I usually play most fps games on hard but Dusk ep2 on CM still gave me a kick in the balls
thorn trout
@mild chasm I suspect the biggest divide is between people who adopt a bunnyhop-heavy playstyle and those who don't. Bunnyhopping makes things VERY difficult to balance around
I mean, I personally tested on I Can Take It
not CM
whereas ep1 I tested on cm
warped saffron
Watching Twitch streams makes me more understanding about CM difficulty. :p People are REALLY bad at avoiding damage. And I don't bunny hop a lot. Almost never during combat. I bunny hop when traversing the level.
woeful sonnet
I almost always bunnyhop
mild chasm
It's not that they're bad at avoiding damage
It's just that there's so much crap attacking you at once it requires a lot more finesse to dodge than most people can pull off
thorn trout
I rarely bunnyhop in combat tbh
I prefer just using the environment and smart movement
crystal vessel
I play dusk single player a lot like I play Doom single player
jagged hemlock
bunnyhoping in dusk hurts my hands :^(
tough delta
^^^
mild chasm
Personally I got through it mostly through cheesing things with the crossbow
slate edge
I strafe jump
crystal vessel
I only move in combat when I have to otherwise I'm just kinda strolling along
warped saffron
I don't either. I only recently started sliding during combat. :p Just to be stylish about it.
tough delta
@jagged hemlock my arm hurts so much after playing dusk lmfaooo
thorn trout
@warped saffron yeah I think a lot of gamer fingers have forgotten "the dance" if they haven't been playing these games regularly like a lot of us
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout or they dont know it
thorn trout
@crystal vessel same
vale oar
I use bunnyhops when I have to get to a certain point REALLY FAST
thorn trout
@woeful sonnet or that yeah
mild chasm
I also use cover a lot as well as circling around
vale oar
Press "Q" to take cover xD
jagged hemlock
cover mod please
crystal vessel
No shame in ducking behind a wall
mild chasm
That level where there's a ton of soldiers and welders shooting at you at the same time nad there's a few of the super wizards was just too nuts for me to do old fashioned movement based dodging so
I used the cargo crates and the morgue wall slices as cover
warped saffron
@crystal vessel I do the same. And I typically prefer the "balanced" DOOM wads over the slaughter ones. Nothing beats good pacing and level exploration babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...................
woeful sonnet
I'm incredibly aggressive with my play meaning I almost always need speed when I'm in encounters so I can quickly evade at close range. That and bunnyhopping is addictively fun.
crystal vessel
Oh yeah well crafted encounters blow big areas full of revenants out of the water
mild chasm
Also even though I made every shot count as much as possible I still ended up running out quite frequently on almost every front other than pistols and shotguns
thorn trout
diry secret about all 90s FPS was that they were actually heavily cover-focused.
jagged hemlock
shhh don't tell the masses
mild chasm
The pistols are decent but they can't really take on most of the crap in E2 so I basically never used them
thorn trout
pistols are actually great against soldiers
jagged hemlock
but soldiers are pretty week
thorn trout
and for revealing wendigos
woeful sonnet
Still better than dooms @mild chasm
crystal vessel
At some point I just want a big room of nothing but soldiers so I can hold left click with the AR
thorn trout
@crystal vessel I'm thinking the leadup to the final boss is just going to be an insane ego trip like that
crystal vessel
Give me Guardian of Time
woeful sonnet
I actually cant tell if your joking or not
crystal vessel
In DUSK form
thorn trout
@mild chasm Dual pistols in Dusk are way better than Doom pistol tbh
crystal vessel
No doubt about that
thorn trout
man Guardian of Time is so good
vale oar
Dusk pistols are fine
mild chasm
Maybe I can just use the Doom pistol better than I can the dusk ones then
thorn trout
@exotic ibex will agree
exotic ibex
guardian of time is one of the best levels in an FPS
thorn trout
single Dusk pistol is about as bad, but dual pistols are pretty effective against certain enemies or in certain situations
@exotic ibex I would go as far as to say it's the best climax in any FPS ever
mild chasm
I can use the pistol on UV in doom 1 and 2, evilution and TNT rather comfortably while in Dusk it's just like spray and pray with little results
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout what climax
warped saffron
Sometimes a lopsided fight can make for a memorable experience. I remember specific fights I had in "unfair" DOOM and Quake maps, fights where my keyboard and mouse dissolve into my hands. :p DUSK never pushes me into that flow-state... I remember DUSK as an enjoyable whole but nothing really sticks out as "that one fight I can't believe I beat"... But I also completely understand why a commercial product shouldn't be as difficult as notorious community maps.
mild chasm
Even against the black phillips
thorn trout
I really want to do/see a Serious Sam style Dusk level, but it miiiiight not make it into the base game. We'll see.
crystal vessel
I'm gonna go ahead and reinstall fusion
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout its gotten close but preformance.....
jagged hemlock
Serious Sam level? Yes please!
crystal vessel
How well can the game handle high enemy counts?
fair mirage
for a moment i thought y'all were talking about zelda
crystal vessel
I remember that scarecrow dupe bug killed my frames
fair mirage
"guardian of time"
woeful sonnet
I mean not the waves no but a single wave kinda
mild chasm
Nope not even close to Sam
exotic ibex
theres been a few spots where it felt like it could've blossomed into a sam arena
fair mirage
was very confused for a moment
thorn trout
@crystal vessel if I do a level like that we'll all find out together lol
crystal vessel
Hahaha
exotic ibex
but it always ended around the 5-10% mark
which is entirely fine, this isnt serious sam.
but just a thought.
jagged hemlock
can you add 1 hp pickups that are actually giant monster closets when you pick them up like in sam?
mild chasm
Sam is the type of game where a minigun is basically just enough to get you by rather than a "ohoho" empowerment moment
Because you know once you pick it up you're going to have to put it to really good use
probably immediately
exotic ibex
also maybe no, sams secrets are more of an extra challenge, dusks arent.
not my call though
thorn trout
@exotic ibex yeah I haven't fully pulled the stops out on any of the encounters. Might happen in ep3 but also I do want to avoid regular arenas like that in the base game. Dusk is after all supposed to be a 90s FPS, focused on level exploration and flow, not an arena shooter
woeful sonnet
Again preformance though...
thorn trout
@jagged hemlock oh lord hahahaha those are the worst in TFE
warped saffron
โค level exploration and flow โค
exotic ibex
correct. but i would fucking die for a small sam arena. doesnt have to be a 10+ minute arena like egypt loves to throw at you
jagged hemlock
Or what I think is better, is a LINE of 1HP pick ups where the last one triggers a monster closet
thorn trout
@woeful sonnet yeah that would be a concern. Likely it will never have Sam numbers of enemies
exotic ibex
but just a moment where the player could think "holy shit this guy really, REALLY wants me fucking dead
thorn trout
although some new ones in ep3 don't use navmesh pathing so that cuts down on performance
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout i have a gtx 1070 and some of the bigger arenas make my card choke up a bit
warped saffron
ye that would def be cpu
woeful sonnet
Ah
thorn trout
especially for AI
jagged hemlock
Gotta process all that awesomeness
mild chasm
But yeah I just get by better in Doom with it's pistol than I can in Dusk with it's akimbos
exotic ibex
what im thinking is that you've reached around 100~ish enemies in one level, right?
thorn trout
@exotic ibex it's gotten close at least
but they also don't calculate navmeshes until they're active
exotic ibex
if you can hit 150-200 reasonably then having a level thats almost purely an arena might work
woeful sonnet
Amd fx 8350 8 core
mild chasm
Say, what's your guys' opinions on Sam's pistols throughout the games?
exotic ibex
servicable
jagged hemlock
Deagle in the new one was okay
exotic ibex
the handguns are replaced by the AR/tommy gun when you get it though.
thorn trout
@woeful sonnet I'm not savy about cpus. When you say frame drops what are you talking?
exotic ibex
i've been using handgun quite a bit in my TFE no hit run.
woeful sonnet
I go from hundreds to 40s
exotic ibex
yep
mild chasm
Personally I found the colts pretty good except for the reload
woeful sonnet
Usually I can get about 100 some frames a second
fair mirage
pew pew pew pew clickity click pew pew
woeful sonnet
In some of the more chaotic areas of episode 2 it really tanks
warped saffron
@woeful sonnet gsync?
woeful sonnet
Heh
mild chasm
The desert eagle was pretty decent but the lack of dualies kind of put the problem into reverse where the lack of firepower kinda cancelled out the reload speed
crystal vessel
The TNE pistols ๐
mild chasm
Although I think the trend here is that I do better with individual handguns meanwhile everyone else prefers dualies since I actually liked the singular Colt better than the dualies
exotic ibex
in TNE the handguns are never really replaced
they're arguably the best weapons in the game.
crystal vessel
Guns that let you fire as fast as you can push the button ๐ ๐ ๐
jagged hemlock
Here's my problemo with Serious Sam weapon's: The automatic ones. In TFE and TSE you get the tommy gun then get the minigun which takes the same ammo, so the tommy is outclassed by the minigun and no longer needed except for some longer ranged fights (which TSE fixed by adding the sniper). So you technically HAVE three automatic weapons (tommy, mini, and laser) but using the tommy is pretty much gimping yourself in later levels. BFE looks like it fixes this by making the assault rifle take different ammo than the minigun. Good stuff, right? EXCEPT that the LASER gun is a SECRET weapon with SECRET ammo meaning you still only have TWO automatic weapons that are viable because most of the time you probably are trying to save up ammo for the laser gun.
exotic ibex
with a 1 second reload timer
jagged hemlock
End rant
thorn trout
@woeful sonnet with a fairly modern gpu/cpu Dusk should not drop below 60 at any point. Likely there's some weird issue on your end
warped saffron
You would know if you were using Gsync. :p Gotta have a Gsync monitor.
radiant venture
I'm on stable 144 and never had any issues
thorn trout
@mild ginkgo @graceful wing @prisma halo or @hexed roost might be able to advise
exotic ibex
well the tommygun/minigun thing isnt really that big of a deal. the tommygun will help you save ammo for poping rockets, reptiloid fireballs, the beheaded. however your complaint about BFE with the laser i agree
entirely agree.
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout btw not using bloom or any other fancy crap
woeful sonnet
Ok
thorn trout
even with bloom or whatever you should stay way above 60
woeful sonnet
Ah god no that makes it way worse
thorn trout
especially if you can run other fairly modern games without issue (which I assume you can)
exotic ibex
how long have you been running that cpu?
woeful sonnet
I play doom at 120 fps on average so...
exotic ibex
๐ค
woeful sonnet
Owned or on
woeful sonnet
Depends. Usually 2 3 hours
exotic ibex
but i also ran it into the ground
okay im dumb, owned.
looked at your statement and read it in a weird way.
exotic ibex
i want to say maybe theres some performance degredation there but i am an absolute fucking moron on the hardware side.
radiant venture
but if he plays doom at 120
thorn trout
I assume nuDoom right? :3
hexed roost
Is the framerate inconsistant?
radiant venture
but it doesn't make any sense either because I never had any trouble in dusk tho
thorn trout
if you're running nuDoom at 120 no way Dusk should drop below 120
hexed roost
Does it just shift all over the place?
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout yes
radiant venture
do you cap your framerate?
hexed roost
What you can attempt to do is add the following launch option to DUSK in steam.
-window-mode exclusive
Also, if I may ask, have you updated your version of Windows 10 recently?
Assuming that you're running on Windows 10
hexed roost
people who don't like visual tearing/melting their hardware
woeful sonnet
Well then
radiant venture
why would you ever need a framerate higher than your refresh rate?
exotic ibex
i like hovering around 10-25% higher than my refresh rate
jade root
I don't play games if they don't let me have 700fps
exotic ibex
nothing past 25% though and even thats pushing it.,
radiant venture
just to be sure yeah
woeful sonnet
My refresh rate is 60 and 60 is alright but I prefer to play higher
jagged hemlock
I'm happy if I can run games around 60
mild ginkgo
Try what Unmutual suggested
radiant venture
it doesn't make any difference to you if your framerate is 60 or 250
jagged hemlock
I usually float around the 50's when playing other games
mild ginkgo
If that doesn't work I'll walk you through another thing
woeful sonnet
@mild ginkgo problem is i have to get to that point my game has been wiped ๐
Replaying through jt now
mild ginkgo
Wait whay
jagged hemlock
whey
woeful sonnet
I have no idea why but I wasn't allowed to select anything off the level select screen
vale oar
@thorn trout uhm... how do you look at making the scientists a bit faster on CM?
woeful sonnet
So update ya when i get there
vale oar
lol:)
thorn trout
we're taking all feedback regarding difficulty
things can still be tweaked before full release
exotic ibex
lethernecks light you on fire upon being hit
thorn trout
enemy speed/fire rate/ etc
exotic ibex
or wendigoes
woeful sonnet
I would love them to be more of a threat please yes
exotic ibex
i got ideas
vale oar
Thanks:)
thorn trout
@woeful sonnet there's a chance something could have gotten majorly screwed up and you're getting a lot of errors
tawny briar
TO WIN THE GAME YOU MUST KILL ME DAVID SZYMANSKI
mild ginkgo
it sounds like gsync, or nvidia scaling issues
nah with your hardware you should be at a rock solid 150 fps
easily
thorn trout
it's super not normal yeah
mild ginkgo
@woeful sonnet if you could open up nvidia CP and go to Adjust desktop size and poisition and switch the Scaling option to No scaling that might help you out
vale oar
@thorn trout Okay, JUST encountered this bug again... but now these jumppads won't take me high enough to reach those ledges above
Can't figure out the pattern of the bug
I intentionally missed E2M11 after E2M4
Maybe that is the problem idk
This is the highest point
thorn trout
ok PLEASE DO NOT RESTART GAME
vale oar
Okay
thorn trout
ensure the problem is still happening (go on the jump pad a few times
then exit the game
find the output_log
mild ginkgo
is this it
thorn trout
and send it to me
vale oar
should I make a svegame before?
thorn trout
no because restarting the game will fix it, save or not
vale oar
okay so I just exit
thorn trout
just make sure you get the log before starting the game again
yeah just make sure it's happening then exit
and send me the log
tawny briar
this is like the part in futurama when they all get ready
thorn trout
in Dusk/Dusk_Data
tawny briar
wtf david went from 0 to 100 in like 2 sec
vale oar
fresh n' hot xD
tawny briar
update in 5 min
thorn trout
thanks a bunch
vale oar
I'll save this one in case if you need it again
mild ginkgo
i wanna hug you
thorn trout
let's see if we can fix this
mild ginkgo
youve given us followable code
thorn trout
you have done us a great service :)
hexed roost
hopefully this one has the info we need
holy shit
it's been what, at least a month
vale oar
Glad to help:))
exotic ibex
๐๐ป you da man m80.
vale oar
OUTPUT LOG CONTAINED THE SECRET CODES FOR NORTH KOREAN NUCLEAR MISSILES HOLY SHIT WHAT HAVE I DONE
FUCK
exotic ibex
OH FUCK
tawny briar
ITS ALL OVER
thorn trout
@vale oar would you do me one more favor... start the game up and play for a bit ensuring the error doesn't happen, and send me that log, just so I can compare
vale oar
okay
tawny briar
so what was the problem u guys were trying to fix
exotic ibex
you tried jen. A for effort
vale oar
@thorn trout I have a savegame made just in the beginnig on E2M6 - so should I load this one or start the level via Level Select?
slate edge
I was scrolled up while I was AFK lol
thorn trout
@vale oar use that one if you please
tawny briar
so update when
thorn trout
yeah restarting always fixes it. Now just play up to whatever point you discovered the bug at (as similarly as possible) and send me the resulting log
this is just to ensure the error we're seeing relates to the bug, and isn't some other issue
vale oar
okay
tawny briar
viscont is defusing a dusk bomb
thorn trout
@tawny briar not really hyperbole. This is a very bad bug that's been nearly impossible to hunt down
tawny briar
what is it ?
vale oar
Okay the jump pads are fine now, sending output file...in..3...
2...
1...
@thorn trout
exotic ibex
occasionally the jump pads will just not send you up at the set height making it very difficult if not impossible to reach certain areas.
tawny briar
ah
exotic ibex
it was rare but completely game breaking.
mild ginkgo
you should be getting an even higher framerate than that tbh
what have you done? did you do my nvidia thing?
woeful sonnet
I did the screen scaling
woeful sonnet
And actually ita between 60-90 fluctuating right now
mild ginkgo
-window-mode exclusive
should also help you a bit
if you launch the game with that
vale oar
@thorn trout delivering some additional info concerning the bug:
- I started Ep2 via New Game on CM
- Got all completionist awards
- intentionally missed E2M11
- Killed several enemies on E2m6
- Took the speed powerup
- Used the northwest jumppad first
the log file is above
woeful sonnet
Aaah the loading screen has a framerate of 1500!
vale oar
Glad to help and yeah, thank YOU for this game:))
woeful sonnet
Also no music bug
thorn trout
^^^ that one is really irritating too
woeful sonnet
Welp im in neobabel this will be the true test
vale oar
"-Is there anything that would stop you from finishing development of the game or are you committed to giving us the chapter 3 this year for sure?
-I mean.... nothing really comes to mind? Short of me dying."
COME ON DAVID PLEASE DO NOT JOKE THAT WAY GODDAMIT
woeful sonnet
Welp im at 70 out of the gate
crimson folio
Dang dusk... what is mapbuilding in DUSK comparable to engine wise? Like, as an old schooler working on a BLOOD TC right now, how much more intense is DUSK
thorn trout
tbh if I died I'm pretty sure QA would just finish up Dusk anyway
or Dave would hire someone
vale oar
FUCK STOP IT HAHAH
cosmic urchin
dave finishes the game himself
vale oar
FINISH IT
thorn trout
Dave doesn't even know how to code lol
cosmic urchin
well
there's plenty of unity tutorials
so im sure he would just make the final boss vince mcmahon or something
thorn trout
@gleaming berry plz advise
crimson folio
So this is Unity? I see my question floating away above... is MOD TOOLS for this going to be just a modified Unity vuilder
thorn trout
@crimson folio you'll want to talk to @prisma halo
crimson folio
Zombies eek
thorn trout
he's working on the sdk
tawny briar
and hdoom
crimson folio
Cool. I'm intrigued, my mind conceptualizes more DUSK maps
mild ginkgo
@crimson folio we recommend trenchbroom for mapping
woeful sonnet
I hope the communities is more like dooms modding community and less like quakes
mild ginkgo
its what we are going to officially support
cosmic urchin
if the dusk community takes off like the hat in time modding community we're in for a wonderful beautiful time
tawny briar
so will exporting be simpler 
mild ginkgo
exporting is very simple
you just save a .map
and compile it as a .bsp
using one of the many bsp compilers available
tawny briar
when i do that and try starting up the map is like "a error has happed good day"
mild ginkgo
i dont think thats the case
rotund fern
#bnnuy-and-the-jits @woeful sonnet Why? Is Quake's modding communie a little less active?
rotund fern
ah
rare musk
There used to be a bunch of mods, yeeeears ago
They just died down in favour of mapping
woeful sonnet
@rotund fern which dont get me wrong there are amazing quake maps but I'd prefer to see stuff thats actually a modification of the games mechanics
mild ginkgo
dusks scripting system will be as robust as the doom tools available, so it is totally possible to have similar mods
woeful sonnet
Was that quakes problem or?
rotund fern
same, I think it would be great if Dusk's modding communie was kind of a retelling of the 90s were a shit ton of IPs were born due to a few guys.
mild ginkgo
i imagine the fact that quake is just more difficult than doom to mod is a big reason it ended that way
solar olive
and 2d mapping
woeful sonnet
@mild ginkgo also it runs so much better now thanks
cosmic urchin
as long as we don't get the "cinematic dusk" mod i think we can all sleep soundly
woeful sonnet
@cosmic urchin of course we will
cosmic urchin
oh good i can't wait for the hd cowgirls
woeful sonnet
With those nice slimy bump maps to
cosmic urchin
woeful sonnet
Id prefer just a graphical rebuilding of the games assets.
gleaming berry
๐
cosmic urchin
woeful sonnet
Like what that one guy did with the scarecrow and leathnecks
cosmic urchin
that'd be pretty awesome, i didn't see the scarecrow but the leatherneck looked great.
woeful sonnet
Hold on
solar olive
i wonder if someday weapons will be moddeable featuring sprites instead of models =P
atomic egret
yeah that guy's model was cool awes
woeful sonnet
Heck yeah
atomic egret
he's got it on his steam but I don't remember what his username is
woeful sonnet
Its unavailable for some dumb reason
mild ginkgo
robotjoe is his name
i wouldnt search him too much
looooooots of porn
weird porn
atomic egret
search him lots then
mild ginkgo
like fish in butt porn
exotic ibex
nah it transcends weird
woeful sonnet
cosmic urchin
oh shiiiiit that's cool
mild ginkgo
i prefer his leatherneck
cosmic urchin
that leatherneck
mild ginkgo
his scarecrow is a bit too gangly
tawny briar
that looks a mazing
atomic egret
I hadn't actually seen the leatherneck
rotund fern
looks fucking awesome
cosmic urchin
i really want to see this dude's take on a wendigo or cowgirl