they bounce around and gib people
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
mild ginkgo
tardy cove
I understand
The Totem was very nice, though
Might consider it as a weapon for latter levels in the game?
or maybe a temporary thing like "the climbing thing"?
grave nymph
People that preordered DUSK before the 25th get upgraded to collectors edition, right?
stone thistle
yes
grave nymph
Is that when Early Access comes out or when the entire game comes out?
reef pecan
you know how you can cook viscera
there should be a secret where you can find a salt and pepper shaker to season the meat
then we can tag Dusk with "cooking simulator" on Steam
stone thistle
hehe
grave nymph
So if someone were to pre-order it after the 25th they wont get the upgrade, right?
Cuz they said christmas, im just assuming its the 25th they're talking about
stone thistle
you can get the C. E. stuff later when the game is out. There will be an "upgrade to C. E. edition" option available.
no idea how much money you'll have to give Dave for that though 😄
mild ginkgo
i think its 10 additional dollarydoos
grave nymph
ye it is, cuz in the info steam post thingymajig they said that C.E. is worth 30 bux
mild ginkgo
there you go
stone thistle
fair price imo
slate edge
We`re working on it
lament cape
PLS MAKE A PHYSICAL VERSION OF THE COMIC
pallid token
crouches in Dusk
Now I want to see DuskDude getting that low
exotic ibex
i imagine him more prone than crouching that low.
mild ginkgo
That'll be in the collector's edition
pallid token
lul
solar olive
@lucid trench actually no. Put all barrels near the door and shut a rivet to make them explode. One of the explosive barrels put mama on fire, so, her health was drained down for some minutes. until it eventually reached zero XD
echo epoch
I understand why, but I can't help but feel sorry for myself, having preordered the game on the 25th 😪
supple scroll
yeah i put the barrels at the door
thought i was so smart, but i bet everyone did that
pallid token
Well, if DuskDude prones, he's damn quick moving lol
supple scroll
hes sliding on his chest
echo epoch
Think baseball. They teach going prone from standing in the Army as a pretty basic concept, too.
exotic ibex
when i picture duskdude crouching its more like the regular goons in blood courching
so crawling around blasting dudes with an SSG before he goes from prone to jumping in a second.
supple scroll
he can crawl thru a tunnel at like 30mph
pallid token
exotic ibex
bhopping through vents just involves him doing the worm stupid quickly.
echo epoch
He's high crawling 😃
I wish the Mirrors Edge roll didn't trigger as easily. If you look 1° further than straight down (while Rivet jumping), you do it.
Or maybe I just need to learn to control my camera lol
supple scroll
yeah it should just look back up
the flipping is funny but also annoying
my sens isnt high enough to do backflips
echo epoch
I think it should only trigger after a big fall and such. I guess it's there for style or maybe even balance but it's kinda annoying. You should roll if looking way backwards, and look up if barely filter back IMO
supple scroll
also when standing on the ground its a little wierd
like it jitters if u move the mouse down
echo epoch
Yep
cerulean sun
damn today is just not my day for speedunrs
grave nymph
anyone know what model the AR in dusk is based off of?
cosmic urchin
@grave nymph it honestly kinda looks like an m60 to me, or some kind of lmg instead of an assault rifle.
echo epoch
Yeah the AR is styled after a lot of popular light machineguns. Looks like a white M240B
Kinda
dim valve
Was calling an LMG an assault rifle David's way of paying tribute to the kind of janky Russian games that would probably do the same exact thing? He also wanted a pump-action double barrel shotgun at one point in the whoosh demo.
cosmic urchin
probably
crystal vessel
Yeah I can see it
cosmic urchin
is there any footage of that demo still lying around or if it's playable? im pretty curious now
dim valve
Search DuskTestLevel in the searchbar
It's not really that playable though
Still interesting and you get to play with the triangle wand
dreamy snow
Will dusk ever see a release on the Switch?
dreamy snow
Yeah! I can see dusk adapting really well to a switch environment :D
slate edge
Dusk VR
slate edge
I would be scared of flips
echo epoch
5089 on Steam has a "similar" artstyle and movement scheme, to a degree, an does VR FPS pretty well, albeit much slower
cerulean sun
thin sphinx
atomic egret
enter DAWN
dim valve
Horrible thought for a Dusk mod: a complete reskin made up of free stock unity asset store models and textures
atomic egret
that's a great idea
dim valve
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/577 Already found the soldier, this'll be a cinch
dim valve
https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/47871 Mod of the year 2018 right here boys
atomic egret
forkmaiden?
cosmic urchin
yes
echo epoch
I stole this and modified it and posted it earlier but whatever here
echo epoch
Official Workshop Preview™
cosmic urchin
o
echo epoch
Not really
dim valve
@echo epoch Unrealistic, no way the BIG JOHN REMOVAL mod would have anything more than 0 stars
echo epoch
You haven't played Episode 4 yet then
solar olive
"big john cena"
dim valve
he says this as i have this page opened up on steam
dim valve
honestly I was surprised to find out that Serious Sam's steam workshops are all just basically gmod lite, animu girls included
Let's hope Dusk never gets that way for its first few years
echo epoch
I can see Dusk in this search
dim valve
Why did you post a Steam search result page with no results?
I can't see anything on there
hexed roost
I will personally shit up the DUSK workshop prior to its public release
winged otter
first day on Dusk workshop: quake sounds
cosmic urchin
shirtless mod for big john
opal plover
Big john with his rott look
cerulean sun
😄 today is a good day
opal plover
Today isn't the release of dusk
lament cape
I don't know if this is the place for this, but does anyone else feel like dusk is doing what strafe advertised itself as? Like strafe fell short but dusk is the real deal
cosmic urchin
strafe did fall short but i heard it's in a better state now
echo epoch
I'm just not a fan of roguelike procedural generation in most games that aren't actually roguelikes. If that makes sense. I'd rather have hand-made levels than procedural crap.
Plus, Dusk is a good game on it's own merits
lament cape
True, purely gameplay wise dusk is top tier, the late 90's aesthetic is just icing in the cake
cerulean sun
yea
limpid comet
I feel like it's more of a coincidence, Dusk still fits in the A E S T H E T I C of David's other games, just a different genre.
I could easily see the Infernal Machine or Escher Labs being another one of David's WS games.
gleaming berry
Well Strafe advertised itself as a Roguelike but nobody noticed because all they saw was the original ad
And never read the fine print
Which isn't Strafes fault
It was a messaging problem
echo epoch
It's just not my thing, honestly, so I can't really give a good opinion on it. When I think roguelike, though, I think RPG mechanics
gleaming berry
Yeah I think that's a Roguelite
I like progression
Gungeon is a good Roguelike thing
echo epoch
Yeah, I hear Heavy Bullets is good, too
echo epoch
But again, not really something I'd enjoy (starting over and random maps in an FPS)
pallid token
Rogue-like is this where you have one life and have to start all over again when you die
Some have the loot and EXP systems common to RPGs, which really is a bonus
S.T.R.A.F.E. sticks to the shops, the machines you find randomly to upgrade your main weapon and the random weapons you find on the ground
And the coins
echo epoch
Simpler is to just say "Games similar to Rogue" lol but yes.
pallid token
Lol
Also, now that I look at it, the game's system reminds me of The Binding of Isaac
echo epoch
I love my RLs, just not the FPS variety.
pallid token
I really enjoy FPSs x)
So in Strafe I don't really have a problem with that
prime haven
Serious question, I am not in the loop. Any news for DUSK release date?
oh going to EA lol...
stone thistle
Early Access on January 11
prime haven
Release 2/3 of the game before Early Access okay.........
Talk about Early Access
It's in Early Early Access
opal plover
febuary-march
prime haven
lol
stone thistle
EA is only for polishing things a little more
prime haven
Playable beta in a year?
Maybe in two years, ep 3 will come out but only if you give a positive review
stone thistle
nah Episode 3 will be released on the same day as HL³
prime haven
lol @ early access
leaden radish
👶 okey
thorn trout
@prime haven plan is for full release to happen Q1 of this year
stone thistle
can't wait to see what kind of crazy stuff E3 will have included
sullen carbon
I know EA has a bad rep but like all the things it has a bad rep for? Lack of communication, lack of visible progress, taking the money and running, all that is NOT happening with Dusk
Plus it's basically been in EA since ep 1 was released so yeah
Really unwarranted tears
stone thistle
@sullen carbon I completely agree
crimson folio
is really EA a problem?
leaden radish
nah
sullen carbon
Hell PUBG went EA last year and released last year
mild ginkgo
yes
crimson folio
I have to confess
mild ginkgo
we'll have steam leaderboards
leaden radish
Esports ready
sullen carbon
I mean, aside from poor optimization and shit, but I dunno, I get why people hate EA but it's not the real devil
crimson folio
bought dusk ep1 cause release date was set in october... but it didn't release so i asked for refund
then bought it again
lol
sullen carbon
Lmao
stone thistle
October 31 was always just a placeholder for soon™
crimson folio
i know that now
leaden radish
crimson folio
wanted to share my xp with you cause maybe EA could have that kind of an impact for some people
stone thistle
you're doing a good job @mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
yeah, we totally understand people refunding it
we missed our release date, and then announced ea
however, we also hope they give it a second chance on full release
crimson folio
sure they will
i mean, there's nothing wrong with the game... is more a customer thing
if the product is fine, people will come
sullen carbon
If they've got half a brain they'll give you guys that chance
mild ginkgo
its very far from the usual buggy mess that runs at 14fps, thats for sure
prime haven
lol @ everyone defending EA blindly just because DUSK is in it
And telling me my feelings are invalid
mild ginkgo
nobody is defending ea
stone thistle
I'm sure they'll do. This game is awesome. Haven't found one streamer yet who was like "this game sucks." They've all been more like "holy shit this is awesome."
prime haven
Okay
crimson folio
@prime haven did you read what i've said?
mild ginkgo
and we hope once it releases youll give it a second chance
prime haven
Apparently I am the only one that did read
I didn't write off the game, just laughing at the EA aspect now
sullen carbon
I was a little mean about it yeah, but like I said, I totally get hating EA
cerulean sun
im pissed off becase my 20 dollars was not delievered on fuck the world not like i dont waste 20 dollars on other shit that i cant even keep forever jeez 👀
prime haven
See?
mild ginkgo
we expect ea to last about 2-3 months
cerulean sun
i spend like 20 dollars when i go to mcdicks no joke 20 dollars on EA game is nothing
prime haven
I have no complaints about the game not being released generally speaking
cerulean sun
not going to lie if your bitching over 20 dollars you probably should be buying games to begin with!
cerulean sun
im saying in general for the EA people
crimson folio
i'm really not into ea
mild ginkgo
and the industry as a whole
prime haven
He's assuming I even bought the game, and even if I did, I am hardly complaining about $20
So relax
cerulean sun
exactly my point its kinda silly people bitch over something like 20 bucks when even with only 2 eps is worth it
prime haven
That's hardly relevant and no where near my point
cerulean sun
then what is your point?
prime haven
Don't worry about it at this point
prisma halo
I'll personally never be a fan of the concept of EA as defined by Steam, but I think it'll work out okay for Dusk
cerulean sun
why make it if you wont clarify?
prisma halo
Not something to really worry about
merry tapir
I bitch over 20 dollars
crimson folio
correct me if i'm wrong... but the thing about ea program is the lack of commitment devs can have... release dates and stuff
merry tapir
mostly cuz Im poor. But when I finally have 20$ to spend, you can bet I will get Dusk 😄
prime haven
Not necessarily the only problem with it but those are major gripes
cerulean sun
clearly NB is going to use early access as intended and not abuse it like other devs have
prisma halo
Essentially yeah, most people see EA as an excuse to not finish a game because you'll get idiots blindly defending you
prime haven
Like the guy above you?
prisma halo
No
prisma halo
He's saying we aren't going to abuse EA
cerulean sun
tons of EA games that are trassh
prisma halo
If anything, he's defending our choice to move to EA, not EA itself
prime haven
"this random guy says this thing on the internet, believe him!"
merry tapir
lol
stone thistle
this time it'll be EA done right
prime haven
My original point is lol @ EA is all
crimson folio
this conversation means cancel jokes are banned now?
cerulean sun
your original point is silly then @prime haven
sullen carbon
I think we can all agree that EA gets us all worked up, which is proof that EA is definitely not the best part of the industry
leaden radish
oof
cerulean sun
evenyone knows early access is abused by shitty devs
but some actually use it legit
mild ginkgo
we try to be very clear about our plans and commicating them to the community, thats why a lot of the people in here are okay with it, but its very understandable if you dont hang out here, or pay close attention to dusk, that you would be wary of us using it as a way to delay
sullen carbon
And Door, it is a little silly, Dave's admitted it, they tried to avoid EA like the plague but have to do it anyways
prisma halo
Yeah, it's clear when looking at discussions online that there is a group of people very upset about it
sullen carbon
Which is pretty ironic
prisma halo
and I assume they don't really hang out here
prime haven
My only actual problem is Door's blind tribalism
cerulean sun
its not blind dude
prime haven
The rest is me being trolly
cerulean sun
im only defending dusk
prime haven
If I am to be completely honest
sullen carbon
Donut
prime haven
mmm
stone thistle
@crimson folio THIS!
prime haven
No attack on the game itself so far
cerulean sun
DUSK is mostly complete as is
mild ginkgo
i think a lot of the tribalism comes from people in here paying close attention to the state of development, so they can see the progress, and signs the game will be completed in a timely manner
mild ginkgo
but yes, from the outside, it would look a lot like theyre just defending it for no reason
cerulean sun
dedis on duskworld?
leaden radish
duskworld
mild ginkgo
mostly ep3
duskworld is a multiplayer game, and thus will have a constant stream of updates and support
but theres also steamworks things, like achievements, trading cards, etc etc
cerulean sun
thats small
stone thistle
mod support 🤘
cerulean sun
other EA games dont even make a full game they promise
mild ginkgo
mod support is being developed on a separate timeline
leaden radish
Cigar emote on steam? :>
mild ginkgo
and will take as long as it needs to
prisma halo
Yeah, mod support has no concrete date
leaden radish
prisma halo
Just "post release"
But you never know, it may come prior to that
Depends on how fast I can get it done
mild ginkgo
im sure there will be early versions of mod support
prisma halo
I'm not going to rush though
mild ginkgo
the full toolset will probably take quite some time however
prisma halo
I'm still holding onto the plan of a public test at some point, featuring most features, but potentially missing custom levels at first
leaden radish
I would like that
prisma halo
Since that's the most volatile and difficult to create part of it
mild ginkgo
yeah, thats what i expected
leaden radish
xd
limpid comet
I feel like tribalism is being a bit glib, it's not only a proven designer, but we've played through 2/3rd's of the game. It's not like we are staning for a trailer or two
cerulean sun
is the console for the game going to be enabled in singleplayer?
prisma halo
Of course
mild ginkgo
yes
cerulean sun
id personaly like to use it for speedrunning
leaden radish
theres a console?
cerulean sun
resetting maps etc
leaden radish
wot
cerulean sun
and loading in properly not using quick saves
prisma halo
The only reason there's no console in singleplayer right now is because one isn't even implemented there currently
crimson folio
duskworld has it... but i need the commands list
prisma halo
The console is actually part of the SDK branch of the game, and while it was being worked on a WIP version of it was cut out for inclusion in Duskworld
cerulean sun
hoping we can get some sort of reset button for speedrunning
crimson folio
impulse9
cerulean sun
that is like using a qucik save but puts you at the start of the map with 0.0 timer
prisma halo
@crimson folio try typing cmdlist, I dunno if Duskworld has that command but if it does it should list them all
crimson folio
noise @prisma halo
mild ginkgo
im not sure it does, i forget
but theres only a few enabled atm
its intentionally neutered
prisma halo
Duskworld's version of the console is rather old now, so it wouldn't surprise me
cerulean sun
map restarting with only needing to load once would be nice like quick saves
cerulean sun
once you have the level loaded though it will just instantly start you back
makes grinding runs very quick
mild ginkgo
i think you're confusing instant with fast loading time
cerulean sun
well when i use quick saves i never see a loading screen
i just start the level again
if the level was already loaded
mild ginkgo
thats due to asynchronous loading
cerulean sun
ahh
mild ginkgo
we just hide the loading screen, and load the game in the background
cerulean sun
well id like to have a level reset feature that is as quick
to avoid the use of quick saves
leaden radish
but
prisma halo
I'll be experimenting with a bunch of things like that with the SDK
cerulean sun
my 10.03 was actually 9.xx run because my quick save was not straight at the start of th level
prisma halo
no sense reloading things that are already loaded, for example
cerulean sun
its like .2 or .3 from the start
cerulean sun
but yeah nice quick reset feature for levels would be greatly helpfull for the integrity of speedrunning ILS
also an option to always have timer up on top left
prisma halo
timer in top left would be a cvar
cerulean sun
keeps other people not in to speedrunning reseting and getting mad
prisma halo
ui_levelTimer
cerulean sun
is it ok
cerulean sun
i have it on tab
prisma halo
if you wanted a hold/release version, you'd do
cerulean sun
yeah i want it always up
prisma halo
alias +levelTimer "ui_levelTimer 1"
alias -levelTimer "ui_levelTimer 0"
then you'd bind +levelTimer to a key
cerulean sun
could just bind quickload and timer on the save button
prisma halo
for now I guess you could use autohotkey or something to always hold tab
cerulean sun
but yeah i really hope to get all the basic tools needed to speedrun in the game it self no mods needed
leaden radish
isnt it always on?
cerulean sun
dont like having to use mods for speedruns
leaden radish
the timer in the corner
cerulean sun
usually just hit tab as the level reloads and it gets buffered
prisma halo
the cvar option would fix that
cerulean sun
yeah
gotta have that timer to calculate time losses
try to find the theoretical max for levels
i actually think e1m1 could be even faster but not by much
like .2 or .3 MAYBE
unlesss a new strat or OOB is found
lucid trench
Will our progress carry over to the full release?
crimson folio
98% sure not
i mean... is a completly different... game?
id?
don't know the actual name of it
lucid trench
Because i know its Dusk Ep1+2 and then the seperate Dusk that just used to be the pre-pre-pre alpha
prisma halo
Your progress won't carry over, no
However I might consider making a save migration tool if people care that much
crimson folio
just do your best after EA
lucid trench
So everything pre- Jan 11th will be lost, but anything after will be A-Okay?
prisma halo
Any save files you have prior to the final game's release are not guaranteed to work
And any save files, from the final release or not, are guaraneteed not to work in the SDK update (which is why I'm considering a save migration tool)
crimson folio
lucid trench
Worst comes to the worst, it just means i'll have to play more of this fun fun game....oh no indeed
prisma halo
Yeah, why would you want to play dusk lol
cerulean sun
on full release i think the speedrun boards are going to get cleared
was talk about it
lucid trench
That'd make sense, speedrun boards are sometimes cleared after even minor patches
lucid trench
Here we're getting the last 3rd of the game, hardly minor
cerulean sun
with the mapreset function it should be quicker
stone thistle
Replaying the whole great thing again? What a hard punishment. 🤘 😎 👌
lucid trench
You did that E1M1 speedrun right? You done a full E1 run or just grinding?
cerulean sun
the issue is more or less changes to the episodes or how the game handles
crouch sliding is getting changes
thats confirmed
yeah i did the e1m1 IL
have not ran other levels yet i perfer ILs
my main game was goldeneye on n64
cerulean sun
ive done overwatch
have the WR for fastest uprising completion any hero
also run maniac mansion on the NES
games of my childhood mostly
that are near and dear to me i could beat 1000 times over
those are the games you speedrun
mild ginkgo
There has been no confirmation of crouch slide changes btw
mild ginkgo
But I'll tell you it is being discussed
cerulean sun
if we could hold speed out of it would be neat but kinda OP for duskworld
also crouch jumping
crimson folio
i mean if speed goes down with time it could work
something like slash from qc
maybe you can keep SOME speed
idk
in quake sliding is useful only if you have strafe jumping
but with dusk movement, circle strafing is mandatory
you can turn around every corner no problem
so it makes sense that sliding gives you some speed boost then goes to 0
leaden radish
hup
cerulean sun
the 9 dream
summer otter
sick lintel
lmao dusk's copyright ran out, i guess anyone can own it now 😏
leaden radish
cerulean sun
pulsar bough
🔜
heavy mango
vague egret
audio is super low
summer otter
input display is fun
grave nymph
get ready to have your ears bleed from everything else
leaden radish
Just dont make it to loud xd
heavy mango
hahaha honesty half way through editing it seemed like all volume went lower
and I had no idea what I did or didn't do lol
leaden radish
😄
heavy mango
I rushed it cause I had to leave town today, was up till like 5.30am making that lol
heavy mango
hahaha
I don't know how YouTubers do it
I had to boot into safe mode just to stop the BSOD's while encoding
solar lynx
we're dedicated man im tellin you im dead genuine im engaged to linux and id do anything for her
crimson folio
@heavy mango nice video
heavy mango
thanks!
untold elm
Linux < Win95
solar lynx
linux > *
crimson folio
David secretly worked on SEUM Speedrunners From Hell
rich gate
Clearly it’s not the pet of whoever put the text there.
Or it is, that would make sense too.
slate edge
kett
vagrant trout
What would be the best place to leave suggestions for features for the developer?
graceful wing
suggestions/yell at the devs section on the steam forums
echo epoch
The forums for Episode 1 + 2 get read and passed on a lot. Usually if you see the staff chatting here, they tend to make note.
Ninjad
I hate mobile
graceful wing
owned
vagrant trout
I was thinking of asking the dev on Twitter but I figured the steam forums would actually be a better option. Thank you.
graceful wing
👍
echo epoch
Much easier to reply, hard to miss.
echo epoch
Who's cat is that in game, @crimson folio ?
crimson folio
china cabinet shipping video game been 10
crimson folio
is the delay on rocket launcher on purpose ?
echo epoch
Nah, I think the Riveter and Mortar are getting an overhaul
crimson folio
oh ok thanks 😃
reef pecan
idea: have a room in the game which has a bottle of lotion and some tissues
and if you use both
BLEW YOUR NOSE
+10 MORALE
CARED FOR YOUR SKIN
+25 MORALE
mild ginkgo
well theres already lotion :O
slate edge
I feel like the lotion is refering to an inside joke I missed
reef pecan
but while we're at it just have a box of tissues next to a bottle of lotion
mild ginkgo
the lotion is from Silence of the Lambs
reef pecan
so that you can clear our your sinuses obviously
tawny briar
wait is the lotion a reference to the thing that we cant say cus its blocked
tawny briar
oh right i did not catch that its by a well
no but when u put it on its a joke about lumpy @!#@#
grave nymph
im willing to bet an entire steam trading card that this game will have overwhelmingly positive reviews when it comes out
tawny briar
well it is a very good game
grave nymph
doubt people will make bad reviews about that
maybe a super small amount
but theres not many singleplayer fps games out there with regenerating hp
cosmic urchin
i know i was being a meme
reef pecan
@grave nymph there is absolutely no way it wont
if it was just ep 1 and ep 2 it would have overwhelmingly positive
grave nymph
thats why im betting an ENTIRE steam trading card
reef pecan
and hopefully ep 3 kicks just as much ass as ep 2 did
grave nymph
i just know that theres no other option
grave nymph
that portal at the end scared the shit outta me and i just looked at it confused for a minute thinking that its gonna kill me if i touched it
cosmic urchin
the bit at the end of blood and bone scared the shit out of me personally
my hype levels were peak
grave nymph
with the staircase of bloody messages?
grave nymph
yeah i saved there
grave nymph
soul prostitution
cosmic urchin
the whole second half of that episode was a ride god damn
grave nymph
guardian is op btw pls nerf
cosmic urchin
nah guardian is a pushover imo
grave nymph
then i guess i was just startled by how many fukin nades it launched at the same time
cosmic urchin
i think the whole lobby should open up into a dynamic labyrinth
more of a gauntlet
instead of popping him in the lobby
grave nymph
didnt really have time to think that far, was just dancing around him in the same room
stone thistle
The Guardian is fine but Big John could need a little more HP. He died very fast. I would also spawn in a few normal soldiers when 50% of his HP are gone to make the fight more intense.
cosmic urchin
big john is just a fuckin meme
here i thought i was gonna fight a boss the size of the arena
but NOPE
UGHA AHAHAH KILL ME COME ON KILL ME
grave nymph
oh yeah hes pathetic
cosmic urchin
woeful sonnet
He sucks
opaque spindle
I want Big John to be my dad
thorn trout
he's all of our dads, really
opaque spindle
Big John bless
cosmic urchin
daddy
slate edge
Big John is the real hero
opaque spindle
A real american hero Big John is there
woeful sonnet
Big john needs to go back to rott where he belongs
dim valve
If you could salvage the trainwreck that was ROTT2013 and save at least one good thing about it for a much better game, would that really be such a bad thing?
woeful sonnet
If it were tonally inapropriate and painfully out of place yes
dim valve
better get rid of that dave portrait in e1 then
woeful sonnet
As an easter egg or a secret boss he'd be great but as a boss in normal rotation no
crimson folio
nah he's fjne
dim valve
Wait a minute, are you that guy on the Steam forums from back in September who complained about all the funny references and easter eggs ruining the "horror elements" of dusk?
woeful sonnet
nope
dim valve
Oh, because that guy was a riot
crimson folio
fuck you and your opinions, don't you dare insult big john
crystal vessel
I'm not a fan of Big John either
dim valve
Yes, we get it. This game is an "old school doom/quake-like" shooter. We don't need it beaten over our heads. The parts of levels ripped straight from doom and thief, the dopefish, the weird beeping sound it makes when you get damage...come on. We get it.
The whole "remember how cool it was back then?" schtick is fourth-wall breaking, takes you right out of the action and ruins your suspension of disbelief. The game has a genuinely creepy atmosphere that's only augmented by the low poly and pixelation, so why ruin it with references that everybody already gets?
This game stands out perfectly on its own without having to point fingers at its references. It's just as annoying as when Tarantino plays "film school" with us in his movies. As our creative writing teachers would tell us, "hide your work".
crimson folio
every level needs big john
dim valve
There's a tiny Big John hidden in every level like the cheeses in Perfect Dark
stone thistle
that guy on the Steam forums ... who complained = which one out of the billion users do you mean? 😄
worn moon
I remember that guy Copyright Infringement.
woeful sonnet
I never heard this
cosmic urchin
or funny "rick and morty collab????" man from a few days ago
woeful sonnet
still not as bad as the guy complaining he didn't get 700 fps
cosmic urchin
jesus
cosmic urchin
asked if mama was voiced by justin roiland
dim valve
SamuraiSTALIN would've had an aneurysm if he saw E2M5
cosmic urchin
how so?
woeful sonnet
again big john as an easter egg or a secret or heck why not in the secret level? but in normal rotation no.
dim valve
the escher hallway halfway through the map
cosmic urchin
oh right
vagrant trout
I think it's just a given now that every retro styled FPS that comes out has to have a Dopefish easter egg.
dim valve
He gets offended by tributes
vagrant trout
dopefish will never die
dim valve
So why the fuck does he play Dusk, then?
cosmic urchin
i think he wouldve had an aneurysm with "cutty mines" in ep1 though
vagrant trout
dusk isn't a horror game
woeful sonnet
debatable
vagrant trout
no?
dim valve
I'm just saying, you see a trailer for a new FPS that has "RAMPAGE past the REDNECKS" in it, you kind of know what to expect
opaque spindle
It isn't a horror game but it has horror elements
vagrant trout
nothing in the game is designed to scare you outside of a few moments or levels
opaque spindle
wait a minute why don't we ask the main dev
dim valve
did you play e2 Syrix
vagrant trout
yes
opaque spindle
@thorn trout Would you consider Dusk a horror game
vagrant trout
the unseen was a horroresque level but dusk is not a horror game
woeful sonnet
its not primarily a horror game but its still apart of its identity
worn moon
It has a horror theme.
dim valve
Dusk is as much a horror game as Blood is
thorn trout
not primarily but yes, somewhat
vagrant trout
or as quake is
stone thistle
action oriented fps with horror elements here and there
vagrant trout
wait cheese are you the main dusk dev?
crimson folio
Like fear
dim valve
^
crimson folio
@vagrant trout no I am
dim valve
Except actually scary at points
opaque spindle
90s fps games have always had silly things in it
vagrant trout
press x to doubt
crimson folio
@vagrant trout nah he is
cosmic urchin
especially blood and shadow warrior had silly shit in them
crimson folio
@thorn trout hey david, why don't you do me and the lady a favor and split like a tire
worn moon
This made Blue Shift unplayable.
vagrant trout
I thought the ten million headcrabs around every corner on xen made it unplayable
cosmic urchin
🤔
opaque spindle
This completely took me out of the Doom experience
vagrant trout
there are non serious easter eggs in serious games all the time
cosmic urchin
and not the psychic possibly infinitely respawning baby bastards?
worn moon
Yeah games have had silly thing is them for ages.
worn moon
c:
worn moon
Blue shift had the first GabeN meem.
cosmic urchin
jesus
worn moon
Kesus*
opaque spindle
amazing
woeful sonnet
Dusk definitely has a sense of humor yes, and i never said it made the game unplayable, but to me its to obnoctious and memey, its not funny to me and it feels so... guck, something like the intoxigator is a great jokey boss thats funny but not painful nor out of place. AND AGAIN as a secret boss he would work but as a main boss no
vagrant trout
What boss are you talking about?
woeful sonnet
big john
stone thistle
I like it the way it is
vagrant trout
Is that in EP2?
woeful sonnet
yes
woeful sonnet
it came up via someone else
thorn trout
also Big John was @gleaming berry idea so you can blame him
cosmic urchin
fucking knew it
vagrant trout
I haven't gotten to it yet
worn moon
@vagrant trout Same.
thorn trout
Couldn't if I wanted :)
cerulean sun
I love big john 
crimson folio
hell yeah
cerulean sun
limpid comet
Big John is funny, but Fingerbones is hilarious
jade root
Fingerbones is the greates slapstick comedy to grace steam
limpid comet
The rick and morty of walking simulators
wub a lub dub i've read too much ayn rand morty
gleaming grotto
Fingerbones is Bugs Bunny for people who listen to Andrew Hushult
limpid comet
it's like the venture bros
echo epoch
DO IT
fair mirage
KEEL ME NAO
gleaming berry
Maybe we'll add a MUTE BIG JOHN button in the audio options
When you press it just goes HUAHAHA YAH THATS ME
prisma kestrel
big john is anything but mute ;)
gleaming berry
some dude changed his name to big John on Twitter lol
fair mirage
wow xaser it's not christmas anymore noob
prisma kestrel
oh dick
vagrant trout
oh hey xaser how's it going?
prisma kestrel
pretty well :P
vagrant trout
this is the second doom modder I've run into here
prisma kestrel
there's a few of us floating aboot
vagrant trout
term's here too apparently
crimson folio
[watch he's gonna do this thing :P]
mild ginkgo
many of the big doom names are here
vagrant trout
this is a doomworld server now
mild ginkgo
for, somewhat obvious reasons :P
vagrant trout
buying this discord server now
crimson folio
[i'm xaser and i do this thing :P]
limpid comet
Um sorry it's a silent hill server rip doom
crimson folio
[hi xaser]
mild ginkgo
xaser doesnt do that irl
crimson folio
[I'm also xaser]
mild ginkgo
fun fact, that dude is fucking awesome
crimson folio
aha love this fucker
prisma ivy
I say open bracket before every sentence and close bracket when Im done
prisma ivy
COOL DUDES™
crimson folio
WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? OPEN BRACKET IT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE WINKY FACE CLOSE BRACKET
solar olive
Hi Xaser XD
prisma kestrel
heh i remember dave stopping by being all "oh wow someone's playing the game in the byoc -- oh it's you again"
ok i think i've gotten this holiday thing figured out
*goes back to working on dead.air v3*
crimson folio
GRRRR
cosmic urchin
when are we gettin that fuckin big john emote
woeful sonnet
but no john you are the demons, and then john was a zombie.
tawny briar
is that hallway with the pipes still in the game?
tawny briar
let me find it it was in the og trailer
that one it looks cool i want to know if its still in
cosmic urchin
there's very little like that which appears in the final game
thorn trout
currently it isn't no
tawny briar
oh ok
mild ginkgo
heh, theyd be surprised to find out what part of that level IS still around :)
mostly in that theyd never guess
cosmic urchin
do you wish to elaborate
thorn trout
^^^
cosmic urchin
ill just assume it's one of the interior areas for the time being
tawny briar
there sould be a mod where it looks like the old dusk it would be like dusk classic
echo epoch
I heard we're getting a lot of cut content and stuff with the SDK
cosmic urchin
if we could get some old dev levels and shit playable that'd be doooooope
echo epoch
Sometimes the cut content is just, better.
echo epoch
Same
fair mirage
i can explain the one you just posted
there was a model called meat lass
500 took dave's face and pasted it on the model
was the result
fair mirage
cosmic urchin
what even
fair mirage
uh
cosmic urchin
...early cowgirl concept?
fair mirage
@mild ginkgo post meat lass
quick
anyways it was just sort of a fleshy woman-like model
cosmic urchin
oh
fair mirage
that's it in the emote, from the back
cosmic urchin
is this an anime of someone from rott or something? i know dave uses it a lot
chur or whatever
fair mirage
ye that's loreli
cosmic urchin
oh right the asian lass
fair mirage
one of the steam emotes for her
gleaming berry
Meat lass was an early enemy in Dusk before Dusk really had any direction
There were soldiers
Meat ladies
Flying bone things
One day we'll upload those builds
cosmic urchin
🤔
by the way if you dont mind me asking where do the cowgirls fit in...alignment wise? military experiments?
echo epoch
I think that's the implication considering where you find Mama, her mechanical and weaponry parts seemingly grafted on, and the fact that she's found in military places and stuff
gleaming berry
Yeah I mean they're basically bodyhorror type mechanical experiments
Blood and bone and technology
cosmic urchin
ah okay
gleaming berry
David comes up with the enemy ideas
cosmic urchin
what about big john
gleaming berry
The only two I came up with we're the wizards and leathernecks
Well big John is from ROTT13
He's just BACK
gleaming berry
HE SAID HED BE BACK UAGAHAGAH
prisma halo
Big John is a dimension hopper
opaque spindle
Here let me ask the real questions. When are we getting a Jeff Goldblum enemy type
balmy sluice
He comes up with the ideas, you provide the face texture
cosmic urchin
so he's back like john wick
prisma halo
He enters games at will
gleaming berry
Big John in AE confirmed
cosmic urchin
fucking amazing
gleaming berry
With a metal.helmet
cosmic urchin
i need to play rott13 now
gleaming berry
UAGJAGAHA I CANT SEE IN HERE
opaque spindle
When are we getting a big john voice line pack or whatever for #319922405252268032 🤔
prisma halo
Then we can piss off even MORE people!
cosmic urchin
big john and thinking/shrugging leatherneck and we have a fucking deal
opaque spindle
Thats pretty lewd dave
cosmic urchin
dave you're such a fucking meme and we love you for it
sullen carbon
Just remember, we're laughing at you and not with you
fair mirage
wtf dave
sullen carbon
:^)
tawny briar
i like big john in ROTT
cosmic urchin
im laughing with him
gleaming berry
I mean I'm laughing at myself
sullen carbon
Real talk Big John voice best part of ep 2
acoustic oriole
Atmosphere-wise infernal machine is my fav
cosmic urchin
out comes big john
tawny briar
when i first saw him i was lmfao because ROTT
gleaming berry
Yeah that's the idea
cosmic urchin
UGH AHAHAHAH KILL ME COME ON KILL ME
echo epoch
A jpeg of a stripper is not okay but a play by play of Big John's Big John in action is ok
vagrant trout
so I still haven't gotten to whoever this big john is yet
echo epoch
😃
echo epoch
Syrix go play
cosmic urchin
@vagrant trout youll see
sullen carbon
But then the boss is a giant walking meme
echo epoch
Stop reading and go play
sullen carbon
Just like real life
gleaming berry
And you walk to what you guess is a giant elevator
And then suddenly
GUTEN TAG
Also he's a fun boss to fight. Big area to play with
Weapons and he has varied attacks
You can set him on fire
vagrant trout
There wouldn't happen to be a way to cheat in the level after escher labs would there? I had to quit part way through the one after that and I can't go back to it because I was playing Intruder mode
vagrant trout
I'd rather just start right back at the level I was at rather than go through escher labs again, even with cheats
Do you mean IDKFA relates to cheating in levels for the level select in some way?
echo epoch
Nah, all items and health
nbdeity for god mode
don't think there's a level skip cheat
cosmic urchin
noclip? 🤷
vagrant trout
Yeah, I just wanna start back where I was. it's somewhat annoying that levels only unlock on level select after you've beaten them
vagrant trout
I mean
mild ginkgo
especially for the level after escher
vagrant trout
beating escher labs didn't unlock the level i was on
mild ginkgo
you just open the red door and leave the level
oh then blast through escher with it
idkfa
walk through to end
vagrant trout
I know but
mild ginkgo
profit
vagrant trout
I'll probably end up doing that but I'm trying to bring up a point
cosmic urchin
that getting to a level should unlock it in level select?
vagrant trout
yes
cosmic urchin
yeah i agree
vagrant trout
since I was playing intruder mode I can't just save and come back to it later, leaving causes me to have to replay the previous level
mild ginkgo
oh well just say that then :P
echo epoch
I hear ya but it isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. The levels aren't that long, and most people will be replaying them later. Plus all your saves are probably going to be incompatible once EA hits
mild ginkgo
and anyways, im pretty certain that was under review to be reworked last i checked
vagrant trout
alright, good
cosmic urchin
along with no saves on intruder, i think
vagrant trout
no saves on intruder should stay as is
I would like to play sickle starts with saves but as a seperate option rather than replacing what's there now.
balmy sluice
So some sort of autosave at the start of each level?
vagrant trout
No
mild ginkgo
just level select
unlocking when you arrive
not when you beat it
thats being talked about internally afaik
vagrant trout
Would you mind if I bring up any other suggestions I had in mind here?
vagrant trout
Map.
cosmic urchin
changing e2m10's title to "the guardian" is a simple one but i feel it would work better since it's not much of a gauntlet, imo.
mild ginkgo
for a lot of reasons
vagrant trout
I'm curious as to what those reasons are.
echo epoch
I think it's been beat to hell, but having the "ExMx" on the level select, or a progression arrow, would be convinient.
mild ginkgo
verticality is a HUGE issue for that
cosmic urchin
a map would be a bitch and a half to make with all of the verticality
among other things
vagrant trout
It would be difficult, surely.\
echo epoch
Also, it's a 3D world, a map would be hard to do, probably just as much work as making the actual level itself. Look at Daggerfall's maps lol.
mild ginkgo
also, just in general, theres no real easy way to do it, short of just hand drawing the maps
mild ginkgo
doom16's map is awful to boot
vagrant trout
it's not like there haven't been maps for shooters that have verticality and 3d worlds before
cosmic urchin
oh yeah i won't disagree there
mild ginkgo
do you have a good example?
vagrant trout
Duke Nukem 3D.
echo epoch
And (not a bad thing) Doom 4's in-game maps probably have more polygons than a level in Dusk
echo epoch
Duke was 2.5D
mild ginkgo
drawn of 2d layers
so they could automap it
we dont have the convenience of automaps unfortunately
vagrant trout
So the only issue is that it would be too difficult?
mild ginkgo
trust me, we've tried
echo epoch
Maybe a hand-drawn sort of map that gets revealed as you progress might work I guess but I doubt it's worth it, the levels aren't really that complex compared to like Doom wads
mild ginkgo
difficult, hard to convey, and in general, not that useful
echo epoch
Also not that important
vagrant trout
the last one I will very, very strongly disagree on
balmy sluice
Levels are pretty small
vagrant trout
I have gotten lost in smallish levels before because the game expects me to remember exactly where the colored door I got a key for is.
echo epoch
That's part of the challenge
cosmic urchin
modding possibilities from dusk till dawn
vagrant trout
That's not an interesting challenge though.
echo epoch
That's pretty subjective
All FPS games like Dusk ask you to memorize the maps and such.
vagrant trout
memorization of exactly where a door is isn't an interesting challenge
echo epoch
That's pretty subjective
cosmic urchin
also yeah if youre having a fair bit of an issue with dusk's maps doom and wolf 3d would be a nightmare for you
vagrant trout
that's like saying multiplayer shooters shouldn't have maps to make it easier to memorize them
sullen carbon
I don't know if I would say it's a challenge, but it's definitely something I've experienced with Doom, Quake, etc.
Though to be fair Doom had a map
Not sure about Quake
vagrant trout
a large number of 90s shooters had maps
balmy sluice
But it isn't super hard to jump around a little bit to find said door.
sullen carbon
But also, I never used the automap ever
echo epoch
Unless you're somehow walking in circles, you'd come across the door eventually.
mild ginkgo
Go play e1m9
echo epoch
And you're generally shown the door before the key
vagrant trout
Yes, and you're expecting to memorize exactly where that door was.
echo epoch
And?