I like EA games
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
leaden radish
prisma halo
The second reason is that people are dumb
leaden radish
some are shit others are gems :b
atomic egret
it wasn't even announced as early access there
prisma halo
and easily give into group mentality
atomic egret
unbelievably salty community
why anyone would want to stick around there boggles the mind
vague egret
we dont really pay attention to feedback from random forums on the internet. majority of it is either misinformed or straight up unhelpful.
let them be salty. not our problem
west bolt
We need splitscreen support! 
vague egret
for all 3 people that would use the feature
leaden radish
😄
atomic egret
if you want to try and mod it in, go ahead
solid nacelle
That will be hard, windows fucking will not recognise two keyboards as different things
jaunty meteor
Wow, that forum gave me a disease
graceful wing
you can use AHK to get multiple KBs working
jaunty meteor
If I wanted to watch people shit on a game they've never played because of the gamer equivalent of "her eyebrows are too narrow", I'd just go to /v/ and cut out the old guard circlejerk
atomic egret
those comments were painful to read
crimson folio
@winged otter OH IF ONLY THEY KNEW
if this guy has seen ep2, hes definetly eating his words on a silver platter
atomic egret
did you look at the date at all
winged otter
my ignorance detector is off the scale
crimson folio
yes i know its from when the reveal trailer first came out
OH MY GOD THE THREAD IS STILL GOING
THE LAST POST WAS LITERALLY 3 HOURS AGO
we need to go and white knight dusk now
prisma halo
where's this?
crimson folio
the rpgcodex post
atomic egret
oh great
prisma halo
that thread seems to be responding to the reveal trailer, at least the post screenshotted there is
and well
that was pretty much my initial reaction too
atomic egret
they've taken to calling homages "shameless ripoffs"
prisma halo
look at me now
crimson folio
yeah just show em duskworld and the pre-order trailer
crimson folio
yes me
crimson folio
these people think that old school quake like level design = IT MUST BE 30 LEVELS ON THE LEVEL OF ARCANE DIMENSIONS
prisma halo
The people in these communities are usually very blunt with their criticism, and I won't lie much of Dusk's marketing doesn't cater to what many people there would expect or want (hence why even my initial response to Dusk was negative)
I think asking for essentially an Arcane Dimensions clone is a bit much though
molten peak
Dusk's level design > than Quake, because I hardly ever fucking got lost playing Dusk
winged otter
agreed,quake 1 dont have that advanced lvls
prisma halo
The people screaming "EA SCAM REEEE" are clearly just misinformed though
crimson folio
most complex e1 level from quake i can think of is 4 or 5
molten peak
It's the gamer equivelant of "Jet fuel cant melt steel beams." Saying it unironically
slate edge
Vanilla Quake 1 cant even run arcane dimensions because AFAIK, the bsp version is more adavanced and AD was made by multiple people, not just one.
prisma halo
I'd sign up and post in that thread, clarifying some points and offering to answer questions, but I don't know if that would ultimately be a good idea
atomic egret
bit hard to call dusk an "ea scam" when 1/3rd of the game was already done before it was even available for preorder
I wouldn't zombie
you'd just be attacked
prisma halo
If this was the ZDoom, Zandronum or Duke4 forums I'd jump in
but I'm not part of this community
winged otter
@prisma halo good idea,ppl shoud enlighten other ppl
atomic egret
bad idea
winged otter
the less ignorant ppl are the better
molten peak
Well at the end of the day it's just a bunch of rubes in their own little disconnected group-think safe space. I hardly think they have an actual effect on other people's opinions of Dusk.
prisma halo
I can deal with being attacked, I don't particularly mind that
atomic egret
forums like these are usually very gated. Everyone knows each other and hates outsiders
prisma halo
I'm moreso worried about the domino effect
atomic egret
and especially won't accept any information, opinions, or clarification from them
Zombie going in there to clarify could lead to a PR nightmare
prisma halo
It's not something I'd do without Dave's prior permission anyway
jade root
dave doesnt care anyway tbh
crimson folio
well zombie if you told them the shit you were doing with unity for dawn- they'd 180 their opinions and love the game lol
atomic egret
idk about that
prisma halo
I don't think they'd 180
exotic ibex
yeah idk
exotic ibex
you have to be stupid careful doing that shit
it could easily backfire by you just being there.
atomic egret
treading through a minefield really
exotic ibex
i wouldnt call it a minefield, its just a lose lose
slate edge
We need more ultraviolent gifs
winged otter
rpgcodex...dark souls of gaming forums
jaunty meteor
@prisma halo I wouldn't even call this "blunt criticism", more like "I'll walk in here and share my preconceived notions on what this game I've never played is like"
prisma halo
That was definitely what the initial response was, some of them seem to have played it later on but I'm still not entirely convinced
jaunty meteor
I saw all of one post from a guy who's played it, and surprisingly he was the only one who offered up any amount of meaningful critique beyond "This game's graphics are bad, can't believe they're charging money for it"
crimson folio
overall EA can be a good thing its just cool to jump on a bandwagon and start bashing, i got several EA titles in my libary which made it to a proper very good recieved release version, for example: KF2, Arma 3, Broforce, The Long Dark, Act of aggression and some others which i forgot were in EA
atomic egret
"I will assume the worst without looking into anything"
exotic ibex
its not muh quake, no buy
atomic egret
even if it was quake they would still complain
exotic ibex
you should know thats not a minority opinion in the retro fps community
jaunty meteor
Was also weirded out how this entire forum seems like a 4chan expy but with random old fogies who have been posting here since the bush administration
crimson folio
fuck em
atomic egret
that's the thing with random forums like this
winged otter
some of the forum topics are readable,like thief fanmission topic or roguelike topic
jaunty meteor
Wouldn't be so offputting if at least some of them had any common sense beyond "look at this map from a quake mapset I've never played, if it can't match up to this then it's SHITTTTTTTTTT"
atomic egret
they're always jaded old members who won't accept anything new
winged otter
but i agree about this forum toxicity lvl
slate edge
I hate to flog a dead horse, but I think roguelike psuedo oldschool fps games are partially to blame
atomic egret
oh definitely
jaunty meteor
Nope, them being idiots is to blame
winged otter
this game with S in the name?
jaunty meteor
You can't blame this sort of edgy closed-mindedness on just one game, that's silly
winged otter
with procedural lvls?
unique saffron
We should just nuke the gaming community. Any left standing must repopulate and make a new community.
thorn trout
@jaunty meteor what was his critique?
jaunty meteor
Oh, lemme copypaste it for you
atomic egret
no david noooo
jaunty meteor
jaunty meteor
This guy is as blunt as a brick to the face, but it's all more or less valid
jaunty meteor
You say that but I'd rather get that than "EA scam" x100!
At least he played the game :p
Though yeah, if you have your own vision of how things are gonna go, staying away from these lengthy essays might be a good idea
jade root
hes cautiously optimistic if you read through it all
jaunty meteor
Lest they become another finger digging into your pie
thorn trout
from the bits I read it's a bunch of things I can't meaningfull address without redoing most of the game
jade root
MAINLY his concern is that its too ez
atomic egret
he needs to play ep 2 then
jade root
and heavily relies on circle strafing
winged otter
last post of Dusk thread laughs at unity engine,classy 😕
jaunty meteor
He's right on that part, since this was in early august, where he'd only have EP1, and before the buffs to leathernecks and soldiers
prisma halo
I do want to at least clear up the Unity misconception, but eh
crimson folio
tight quarters and bulletsponge enemies is what made Quake work
slate edge
Dusk EP2 has better level design than Doom 2016, at worst its as good as the games it takes influence on, including ep1
thorn trout
if it were something like "this specific thing bothers me" etc, that would be actionable. "All the graphics and sound and gameplay suck" isn't anything I can address
unique saffron
Just have Dusk texture packs like Minecraft
jaunty meteor
Actually, he praised the level design
unique saffron
Charge 1.99
jaunty meteor
And the weapon balance
unique saffron
Infinite money
winged otter
honestly its not hard to make better lvls than Doom 4
jaunty meteor
In fact, the gameplay is something that he had very few negative things to say anything about
crimson folio
why do we care what the guy has to say in the first place? just curious
atomic egret
Because they're wrong
crimson folio
welcome to the real world lol
jaunty meteor
Because he was a rose that grew from the garden of manure that is rpgcodex.net
thorn trout
Flotilla mentioned he had legit critique so I was wondering if it was something actionable
atomic egret
Misinformed
crimson folio
okok i see
thorn trout
I mean nothing he says is unreasonable, but it's just not stuff I can really act on
jaunty meteor
Well, it's legit as in "his criticisms were backed up by his personal experiences playing the game", not just being a forum supergenius
thorn trout
^^^
crimson folio
omg
i just overflew the stuff he wrote and he shits on "Don t got time to play with myself" refrence
can we just burn the guy?
thorn trout
naw he's entitled to his opinion. At least he gave the game a chance
crimson folio
yeah.... still i laughed at that refrence, and i m a huge duke3d fan. hard to grasp what his problem is
unique saffron
I'm liking the attitude @thorn trout
I see too many dev's now a days that go fucking berserk over some people's opinions
jaunty meteor
Everyone has a different tolerance for throwbacks and references
atomic egret
David is a good boye
jaunty meteor
Though yeah, I feel like maybe it's a little bit low for him if something like the Duke reference was too much
atomic egret
We all know this
thorn trout
@unique saffron heh yeah that's a reeeeeally bad way to handle things :)
crimson folio
nah thats just silly to call that "lazy"
jaunty meteor
I trust David not to have a meltdown over some nerd on the internet, wouldn't have linked it otherwise :p
thorn trout
I mean he forked over $20 to give it a chance, so if it didn't click with him that's not really his fault.
unique saffron
It's because David is mature
jaunty meteor
He was really harsh on the things he didn't like, but he still was honest enough to punctuate the whole thing with "I still liked it overall", and of course he's intending to play EP2/3
I wouldn't be surprised to see a followup post by him soon
thorn trout
I'd say for me it's a lot more irritating to see negative comments from people who haven't played the game, but it's a lot more discouraging to see negative comments from people who have.
jaunty meteor
(I'm not gonna read it because I'm abandoning this dumpster fire of a forum ASAP)
unique saffron
Can't please everyone
crimson folio
true that
jaunty meteor
If this is one of the worst things you've ever read from someone who's played Dusk, consider yourself lucky since they still liked it :B
crimson folio
lets burn him
slate edge
Some people were upset that Quake wasnt Doom 3, but quake is a great game that did well
thorn trout
@jaunty meteor heh yeah definitely :)
crimson folio
however, i m still up for burning. hit me up when you changed your mind
thorn trout
lol
slate edge
newbloods lynch mob confirmed
atomic egret
Looking forward to Jan 11 so I can write a review of dusk comparable to my sw13 one. Expect glowing praise with a few nitpicks
jade root
what about sw2 review
jaunty meteor
"not enough water. my review will be negative until you bring back the swamp level"
crimson folio
nitpicks: no helmet armor pickups
atomic egret
I got too angry every time I tried to do the sw2 review jab
crimson folio
tbh the swamp level looked cool
unique saffron
Nitpick: dev didn't include pre-order handy has promised
jaunty meteor
Do it anyways, an eloquently-written negative review can speak for so many people
My most popular review is a negative one
jade root
speaking of reviews
crimson folio
Nitpick: can't disable hud
jade root
time to check up on the th16 reviews
crimson folio
99% positive
atomic egret
No flot you don't understand
crimson folio
negative review: its too hard
atomic egret
Sw2 unearths an ungodly rage within me
I literally can't right the review because every time I try to it starts spiralling
unique saffron
Turn off your monitor, disabled HUD and ui
jaunty meteor
The minimal/disabled HUDs really should be a menu option :p
crimson folio
Fug
I rememberd it being a thing but I couldn't find it
so I just thought I remembered wrong
now I can take cool screenshots
slate edge
thats how it was done in olde games u skrub
unique saffron
Couldn't do it in Space Cadet Pinball
winged otter
what is th16?
winged otter
oh
formal turret
because it just randomly turned off
crimson folio
@formal turret patch goes out the 11th
formal turret
oh alright
crimson folio
Can I give you a sugestion ?
mild ginkgo
sure why not
crimson folio
I don´t know if i can say this but theres this youtuber hes brazilian, he reviews videogames his name his Zangado i wrote him a coment saying to do a video about Dusk, he didnt say anything but hes very popular 3.5 mil su bs
I just want to help
mild ginkgo
thatd be cool if he covered it!
sullen stratus
I'm in the beta! Thanks. Does the game have 7.1 surround sound or nice HRTF goodness built in?
digital cape
AE and Dusk are going to have achievements?
tidal horizon
yeah theyre implementing them close to release iirc
digital cape
niice
graceful wing
ae has some already if you're one of the few lucky ones with access to the pre alpha
dusk cheevos will be available at 1.0 launch hopefully
vale oar
yeah AE is wonderful
crimson folio
pre alpha access AE key for me ? Thx
grave nymph
showed this game to a friend of mine who really likes oldschool FPS games like doom and serious sam and hes super hyped to buy it when he comes back from vacation
i am spreading the word of the thresher
thorn trout
...but this is Dusk Avain
graceful wing
happens when you channel hop nonstop 😛
thorn trout
lol
winged otter
tastes like chicken
echo epoch
I know I missed the brunt of the conversation, talking about that RPG forum, but I think "brigading" (hate that word) forums or reviews that have a negative opinion is a surefire way to have your community move to 'creepy cult status" like Star Citizens is viewed as.
If someone is just utterly wrong, that's one thing, but you can't expect everyone to love Dusk like the majority of us do. Let them sit in their little bubble and have their snobbiness.
Forums like that, and some Subreddits, are generally ignored by anyone on the outside, and they mostly admitted they'd never played the game.
For reputations sake, I say let it be.
thorn trout
^^^ yup
echo epoch
I've been in communities where we pulled that stuff and it's always a case of stooping down to their level even if it feels frustrating to sit idly and watch.
half cape
...is it RPG Codex, perchance?
echo epoch
Nah, CQF in DayZ
half cape
Oh. And, yeah, I've seen shit like that, having been a goon and in a subreddit dedicated to mocking the everlasting shit out of NMA-style idiots.
holy shit jarlfrank is exactly why classic FPS fuckheads have zero say in modern FPS games
half cape
lmao 'dae nothing like arcane dimensions' you mean the fucking map done over years and years and with fifty different authors, right
gleaming berry
DAE LOVE 3 HOUR LONG QUAKE MAPS
half cape
why am i not surprised they'd eat Avellone
gleaming berry
SAVING NOT ALLOWED
half cape
DAE REMAKE OF E1M1 PINNACLE OF QUAKE
gleaming berry
We'll try our best to not let Dusk fans become assholes
I mean as long as we actively work against it
crimson folio
too late
half cape
as long as no dusk fans whine about cod and iron sights we're good
gleaming berry
it's the new Undertale
crimson folio
i mean, having an asshole userbase is good for dusk
it's a throwback to hardcore shooters
cosmic urchin
i can't believe dusk is fucking dead before its dawn
crimson folio
not exactly the kind of thing the casual polite market is into
warped saffron
Lol the new Undertale. So we gonna flood Twitch chats with "TURN ON LIMITED PALETTE AND PIXELS YOU RUBE!"
crimson folio
i guess asshole isn't the right word
half cape
ship duskdude/soldier
crimson folio
idk, really there's nothing wrong with a toxic userbase
half cape
when are the ep1 endbosses gonna be sans and papyrus
crimson folio
it's a good self-regulation system in a way
not like anyone here us that bad
but still
half cape
tbh there is, with how reactionary and shitbaggy fallout fandom is or how not-Overwatch is strangling itself on 'DAE HI-REZ = EA'
crimson folio
well that's not because they're assholes
they're just stupid ppl who happen to be assholes
gleaming berry
The last thing I will say is BE NICE TO THE NEW GUYS
and I'm not interested in any feedback that's not actionable and well presented
crimson folio
*well
pallid token
I'm good at being nice 
crimson folio
and that was lol
gleaming berry
So keep that garbage away from me and David :)
half cape
lmao i love when classic fps fuckheads go 'WAAAH IT'S GOT NO MODERN GRAPHICS' then bitch at new FPSes
prisma ivy
Have fun at the Nintendo store
crimson folio
being nice is cool i guess
half cape
then sob when new FPSes aren't like mods
gleaming berry
Be nice until it's time not to be nice
crimson folio
Treat others like you want to be treated
that's the tricky part: i think everyone agrees with that
pallid token
Hmmm
crimson folio
but the line's placement is the bit where no one can really come to complete understanding with
luckily it's your house, so the line is where you want it
but one wonders if that's your opinion, or the objective place it should be
food for thought, gamer
half cape
murder all gamers
crimson folio
I'd say there is always a balance of pros and cons with all approaches
toxic game environments breed both a big sense of companionship between accepted members, a better understanding of the game and it's mechanics overall, and an appeal to the "hardcore" market
just look at CS:GO, SS13, etc
don't think it's right
half cape
How do you play Arcane Dimensions, anyway? Is there a coherent starting point?
vague egret
while this discussion about common decency is interesting, its not #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk related
crimson folio
but there's no sense in throwing out the baby with the bathwater
half cape
Or do you just go at random?
crimson folio
the superhot freeze, hands down
echo epoch
Same here
crimson folio
the infight gem is cool but i suck at setting things up
cosmic urchin
favorite enemy is probably the wendigos even though they're spooky as hell, super shotty, and powerup is probably "climbing thing"
warped saffron
I think the real problem with DUSK is that it doesn't feel like I'm squeezing a meatball tbh.
echo epoch
I'd have to say the Rifle, too. Gem of madness is too niche in Ep1 for me
echo epoch
Enemy wise I have to give it to the soldiers. I don't know why, but they're so satisfying to kill en masse
cosmic urchin
cannon fodder
crimson folio
i was about to say the same
soldiers feel so good to shoot
and i kinda like the regular shotty best
could be my poorer shot placement but SSG didn't feel so good in Ep 2
echo epoch
Dual shotguns are a lot of fun, and stay relevant
crimson folio
could be enemies had more health and woudln't splat in one
cosmic urchin
i dont think it splats the dudes in ep2 so easily
echo epoch
Pistols fall off the radar pretty fast if you hunt for secrets
warped saffron
I still switch to them for style points tho
echo epoch
They are sexy with rapidfire
warped saffron
yeyeyeye I typically go pistols with the powerup
winged otter
devs broke intruder mode 😡
warped saffron
broke???
echo epoch
Only thing I hate about SHS power up is time to swap weapons
winged otter
no saving with intruder mode
echo epoch
I think that's intentional but I see a ton of complaints about it
warped saffron
No saving is legit. I like it. The only problem is you have to use level select to start where you left...
echo epoch
I agree saving and intruder should be separate options or checkboxes
cosmic urchin
well at least i can see the level select screen
warped saffron
I wish it autosaved at the beginning of each level... then you could simply continue.
crimson folio
i still say burn em
cosmic urchin
i don't have a huge issue with it since the level select actually exists
thorn trout
if most people dislike it I'm 100% willing to change it
warped saffron
Yeah you just have to remember what level you were on. :p But I'd like a save and quit/continue option for sure.
crimson folio
woah
i'd be up for separation of the options as well
i didn't realize it was like that
echo epoch
Again I say have two checkboxes, one for intruder and one for hardcore/saves
winged otter
iron man checkbox...becase more options the better
echo epoch
Strawpoll? I'm on mobile
warped saffron
Yeahhh... even though I like no saving being associated with Intruder Mode... I can see a lot of people not liking it. I just want a way to save and quit/continue, especially if there is going to be an associated cheevo.
:p
winged otter
do we need strawpoll for this? with intruder mode now only some ppl are happy,with separating two things everyone will be happy
echo epoch
Just to be official and have an actual number. Plus I like my polls lemmy face
thorn trout
a no save mode for anything other than intruder mode would cause all sorts of logistical issues behind the scenes, so it might just be removed. At least for now.
warped saffron
awwwww
jaunty meteor
@thorn trout Not sure if this is what you wanted, but +1 on having them be different options, or if that isn't possible just removing the save limitation in intruder mode altogether; I can just not quicksave if I want to impose that challenge on myself, but going back to menu for each level to enforce sickle starts is a bit obnoxious
echo epoch
Maybe when you click intruder an option for no saves pops up?
winged otter
people are out of ammo in this game and they want a backpack mechanic from doom? what?
half cape
sure why not
junior bobcat
how can you run out of ammo
pallid token
Missing
winged otter
spraring ammo is important mechanic in shooters,but i understand ppl have different opinions
i read that,what idea Oshry has,we will see
echo epoch
I did feel like 1 has too much ammo,but it's not meant to be so unforgiving
slate edge
EP2 has perfect ammo
slate edge
I find it gets you to experiment more too
there is never a shortage of mortar nades for crowd control
winged otter
agreed.ep2 is ammo is spot on
echo epoch
I think it would make an excellent mod
I have to agree there
Ep2 was spot on
Still, I hate finding the rapid fire secret when I've already killed everything
jaunty meteor
@echo epoch EP1 could honestly do with being a little tougher
Did the ammo pass for EP1 happen yet? I'm curious if they redid Rachael's secret room so it's not a "you're set for the rest of the episode" room
winged otter
not yet
balmy sluice
ep1 feels more like a proof of concept for ep2
echo epoch
That can ruin a playthrough honestly
winged otter
i always avoid basketball secret
jaunty meteor
Yeah, and that's no good! I don't think any secret should be so good that players avoid it because it makes things too easy, right?
winged otter
right🤝
balmy sluice
its a hard secret to find though if you dont know about it
its the only one in ep1 that took me a while to find
hexed roost
We've got an internal EP1 rebalance that's currently being evaluated, but it has not been pushed live yet.
More info on that in the near future
winged otter
take your time and polish your game 😃
jaunty meteor
Sweet, can't wait to try it out!
mild ginkgo
That's what we intend to do
Remember, dusk was going to be single player only and like 9 levels initially
balmy sluice
just replace every enemy in ep1 with big john
jaunty meteor
Thank god for New Blood $
If Zombie ends up implementing that loader that can convert Quake entities to Dusk entities on the fly, converting all cultists/soldiers/leathernecks to big johns should clearly be next on the list
It's the only way dusk will ever be complete
mild ginkgo
Hopefully the games do well and we can stay around to make more for your guys
That's the dream
jaunty meteor
I'd hope so too!!
hexed roost
If not you'll be able to find our cardboard boxes and come hang out with us
We can beg for change, play music, maybe dance a little bit until we're asked to move along, it'll be great.
balmy sluice
will you have lan?
crystal vessel
I'll come by and see you sometime
prisma ivy
Cardboard box party
balmy sluice
Dave will buy a big box for you guys. Dont worry.
echo epoch
I'll bring drum sticks and a bucket
dim valve
I think it's time to unsubscribe from the Steam forums
echo epoch
Try having your steam information on a moderately sized YouTube channel
gleaming berry
TRY BEING SUBSCRIBED TO EVERY THREAD
FOR EVERY GAME YOUVE EVER WORKED ON
which is now like 13 games for me
vivid cape
just do some cleaning
echo epoch
@gleaming berry I appreciate what you do so there's that
gleaming berry
jade root
dim valve
Pack it up, Dave. They're on to you.
prisma ivy
That's why we put a trademark next to soon
molten peak
Dusk team is confirmed Thomas Edison. "All these things I didn't come up with are MINE NOW through LEGALITY!"
echo epoch
It's like people don't recognize memery
jaunty meteor
I heard people in here already got keys, is the sequel any good?
north oriole
WTF?!?!?!?!?
jade root
its okay
dim valve
motherfucker I actually checked to see if that was real and made by some Russian scammers
jade root
i sont likw how david removed duskdude and replaced him with unity-chan but w/e
north oriole
ok is this a joke because it really seems like it
echo epoch
Lol
jaunty meteor
Nah, I'm a time traveler
I accidentally shitposted in the wrong year, sorry about that
north oriole
woah
dim valve
I automatically knew it was a hoax because I saw the date and I knew there was no way Dusk 2 would be released before Dusk 1
jaunty meteor
I'll make sure to bring this back in a year, no worries
hexed roost
Okay that was really well done lol
prisma ivy
Yeah, actually got me for a sec
hexed roost
I'd pin it, if people agreed not to be horribly confused by it.
prisma ivy
I thought about pinning it too lol
dim valve
Nah, pin it. This isn't the Steam forums.
We know better.
Have Dave make a memey tweet so newbies don't get confused tho
summer otter
thorn trout
yeah that's super good lol
gleaming berry
ALREADY TWEETED IT
slate edge
Oh dear
dim valve
@slate edge I think you mean, "Ah geez"
opal plover
@echo epoch the weapon pullout animation doesn't do anything, you can fire even when you haven't pulled out your weapon all the way.
echo epoch
Oh. I'm dumb.
warped saffron
I really appreciate the weapon switching in DUSK. Smooth animation like Quake 2, but feels instant like Quake 1. Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu....................!!!!!
dim valve
It is instant, the switching animation is just for show.
Makes surprise sniper shots in DW feel even more gratifying
Run out of SSG ammo, BLAM, you assassinated ___!
warped saffron
lol i kno. poppin shots before the animation ends is how i live my life
One of the many things in DUSK that make you go "Heeeyyy... the guys making this actually play and love FPS huh...". :p
thin sphinx
hey david just throwing this out before i forget can we ahve the pickup console have room for the last 3 pickups?
sometimes i run around a corner and cant figure out how many items i just picked up
echo epoch
Fidget Spinner Melee Mod
exotic ibex
i would like to see someone recreate doom maps onto dusk
echo epoch
Oh that'll happen for sure
Wouldn't be surprised if someone makes a WAD converter lol
lucid trench
If you start an intruder mode level at low health, would it be considered breaking an intruder mode only run if you went back to level select to get back to 100 health?
lucid trench
Aye, i'll go back and do a "true" run once i'm better at E2
burnt iron
A503B-QRRKG-EA4BB free key mang
pallid token
Neat
burnt iron
I already have access thru preorder
pallid token
I'm pre-ordering today, but got one from Oschcuro's drops and another one in my email lol
pallid token
😄
hexed roost
^__^
gleaming berry
almost everyone should have a DW key by now btw
gleaming berry
give it away
worn moon
Ok.
cosmic urchin
"almost everyone should have a DW key by now btw" is it okay to ask for one because im impatient af
@gleaming berry
worn moon
@shira#5160 last I heard they where wating for more.
graceful wing
We're still gonna send out another wave of keys once we get some more
We're totally dry right now
cosmic urchin
oh, heck
cosmic urchin
as long as my player model can be a rat the wait will be worth it
pale hare
Everyone gets multiplayer access on January 11th or 15th, right?
pale hare
Isn't the same already essentially in early access?
cosmic urchin
shhhhhhhh
pale hare
Those technicalities matter I see
minor verge
I got a key here some time ago and today I got an extra from the beta sign up. I want to return the favor 😃 First person here to tell me the name of DOOM Guys pet rabbit gets the key
cosmic urchin
daisy
cosmic urchin
well at least you'll be destroyed by flying scarecrows and cultists
gleaming berry
u will be kill
reef pecan
so
For intruder mode, you can't save at all, right?
i think it would be cool if there was an option to save in between levels
cosmic urchin
yeah, as far as i know you can't save at all
pale hare
Is there any actual % on how much more damage enemies do per difficulty?
burnt iron
Das it mane
atomic egret
heyy not bad man
cerulean sun
pretty sure this is WR right now on e1m1
cerulean sun
someone told me it was 10.3 and i tied 10.30 this morning
i like doing IL's the most its what im used to being a Goldeneye runner
exotic ibex
my PB on e1m1 is 13.34
atomic egret
smdh
exotic ibex
yeah, i dig IL runs a lot
atomic egret
should have been 13.37
exotic ibex
i enjoy watching goldeneye runs and that carries over to anything.
pale hare
Goldeneye is painful
cerulean sun
i do need to go back to GE though
pale hare
On Secret Agent
cerulean sun
to bad karl got archives 15 before wodahs did
wodahs was working on it for a while and failed a bunch of 15s with no boost
karl got lucky he clutched that boosted run
exotic ibex
such is life.
cerulean sun
wodahs got busy with his new job at google and didnt play as much
to busy making bitcoin working at google
exotic ibex
my dusk pre-alpha 100% run took my entirely too long to get.
im pretty sure if anyone else would've given it a serious attempt i wouldnt have been able to come close to getting it.
cerulean sun
goldeneye is the game you spend over 100 hours to get a 20 somethiong second time
and even then its only a decent run
exotic ibex
its a legacy game.
cerulean sun
yeah
i do need to return i have some easy times on my page that need filling
im loosing rank to noob times
exotic ibex
gotta get gud m8
cerulean sun
i have some good Prs just didnt want to grind the boring levels
B1 agent ReseidentSleeper
No OCB(overall controll of bond) required luck fest
opal plover
Hey @urban sparrow Are you good with vocals?
atomic egret
andrew is a busy man
cerulean sun
god damn every time i rewatch the run the ending log stuck 😭
was so sub 10 seconds if that wasnt in it
atomic egret
I got a lot of that back when I ran prepreprealpha
it was killer waiting like .7 of a second for the end screen
winged otter
morning everyone 
potent kestrel
good afternoon
lunar kelp
good night
urban sparrow
I mean, not really unless it is something I worked on @opal plover
opal plover
I was just thinking how cool it would be if Dusk had a track with vocals in it. Like end credits or something.
atomic egret
just rip the two worlds main theme and call it a day
urban sparrow
I tend to stray away from ideas with vocals but David brought that up to me once actually. Probably not gonna happen
atomic egret
yeah idk if it would work
urban sparrow
Adding vocals in a track of a game is kind of like giving a voice to Doom guy. It's either going to be hilariously good or hilariously bad and sad
jade root
Andrew when are you doing an asmr
urban sparrow
Tomorrow @jade root
leaden radish
lit
urban sparrow
smacks lips
jade root
What bottle of alcohol am I shaking
leaden radish
SMACK
urban sparrow
Prob won't be touching the YouTube's for a bit but I will be doing a talk at a sweet yearly LAN party that a local friend rents out portions of a hotel over here to run. So I'll see if I can add that in because it will prob be streamed.
opal plover
Also are the pre pre pre alpha ambient and duke bros musics going to be in E3? I like the Alpha boss' music probably as much as big John's.
urban sparrow
Those were placeholder so probably not? But I'll try to remember to add them to the OST
I think the only thing that wasn't placeholder in the alpha was the endless music
We were still trying to find the games identity with music then
opal plover
I can already imagine custom maps with them
urban sparrow
Good point
leaden radish
👌
crimson folio
Dusk needs a 2d topdown doom style editor so everyone and their dog can make maps
fresh onyx
ROTT (the old one) had that
the maps were essentially just square tiles
I think trenchbroom seems pretty user friendly from what I've seen so far
leaden radish
Yea i like trenchbroom so far (im using it rightnow) xd
fresh onyx
whats the best game to get started on it in your opinion?
leaden radish
In Trenchbroom?
jaunty meteor
If you're asking what format to map for, IIRC Dusk will support Q1 and Q3 formats
I think @prisma halo said the primary focus would be on Q3 format??
leaden radish
im using quake 1 atm
prisma halo
Q3/Q1 yes
fresh onyx
oh i dodged a bullet then, i was going to start with Q2
fresh onyx
I'm not really going to make a map in earnest because the worldscale entinty might make things messy, I just want to try my hand at some ideas and get some textures
leaden radish
yea im just playing around with it atm
fresh onyx
figure out how LOD and stuff works
im going to try and figure out how to make a forest canopy similar to the camp crystal lake level in blood
see whether i can get away with jump pads and not have it look like aids on top
jaunty meteor
The easiest way would be to enclose your entire "outdoor" area in a room and give the ceiling a canopy texture, I think that's more or less how Blood did it
fresh onyx
yeah thats what i will end up doing i cant make it look halfway decent going off into the distance
leaden radish
ive made a room with a table and chairs with some plates and a candle... xd
fresh onyx
i'll probably just close it off with some rock cliffs and a flat treeline texture above them in the distance
fresh onyx
aww neat
i was just looking for a screenshot lol
not the best, but occasionally they put trees in front and there is a little canopy overhang
makes it feel a bit more forestlike
man blood had so many great levels
opal plover
Problem is trees in dusk don't have leaves nosferatu
fresh onyx
i can make a leaf canopy texture
or is that some lore thing?
oh wait no
theres a tree with leaves in old time religion
jaunty meteor
You could always just rip the textures from Blood, doesn't really matter so long as you're not planning on going commercial
The Doom community sure did that for decades
fresh onyx
lol yeah
because blood textures are so goooood
they somehow made brown and gray appealing to look at
crimson folio
is anybody here having trouble with playing the game on a 4k monitor?
idk why but its super choppy dont know what to do about it
mild ginkgo
Are you using gsync?
wintry stone
hAP[Y NEW YEaR
crimson folio
yeah i am i think
actually hold on
let me check
yeah i have vsync on
dont think there is anything called gsync at least i wouldnt be able to find it
@mild ginkgo even with it on its still super choppy actually
forgot to mention that
opal plover
Framerate cap?
mild ginkgo
definitely turn vsync off, um, do you have some system specs, including display?
tawny briar
jaunty meteor
I'm starting to get irrationally mad at all the people playing at ridiculous FoVs
tawny briar
150 BaBy
crimson folio
@mild ginkgo im really not a tech nerd idk how to check that stuff out
i was told to not buy a 4k monitor actually
since i could have problems with these type of things
mild ginkgo
Do you know what graphics card you have?
crimson folio
honestly no
i just bought the pc and kinda hoped it would work lmao
yeah thats how much of a plep i am
mild ginkgo
What would help, is going to download a small program called Speccy and giving us the info it give you
mild ginkgo
All it does is display the specifications of your computer
So you can tell us what they are
crimson folio
well this is my graphics card ASUS PB287Q (3840x2160@30Hz)
4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 (ASUStek Computer Inc)
what it says at that place
leaden radish
30hz? o.O
crimson folio
wait is that a lot?
mild ginkgo
No that's why you're lagging
crimson folio
o
mild ginkgo
Your screen is refreshing at 30fps
crimson folio
GOD DAMN IT
mild ginkgo
Fixable
mild ginkgo
No
crimson folio
240 is a lot then i presume
mild ginkgo
Are you using an hdmi cable to hook up the display?
crimson folio
yes
leaden radish
i have 144
jade root
Good shit
mild ginkgo
So, depending on the hdmi, and the monitor, 4k @30hz is the highest supported, what I would recommend is using a displayport cable instead
crimson folio
me lol
jade root
my boy
crimson folio
should i be ashamed?
crimson folio
this whole server is dissapointed in me
leaden radish
naaah
crimson folio
i was thinking abotu getting my pc upgraded at one point
kinda want to play dishonored 2
cant really do that with my current stuff lol
leaden radish
feelsbadman
jade root
How old is your computer?
leaden radish
I need to upgrade everything execpt my GPU xD
jade root
I feel BAD for you. You got professionally HECKED
leaden radish
HECK
crimson folio
did i get ripped off?
jade root
How much did you pay?
crimson folio
actually
the site i bought it from you had to choose what was it called
the things that would go into the computer
jade root
Oh the build a pc
crimson folio
yeah
i actually never planned to use this pc with games
it was originally for sound design and uh
music
crimson folio
idk actually
mild ginkgo
@crimson folio you can just use a displayport cable
And you'll be fine
It's like a 10$ cable
crimson folio
coolio
thin sage
will i be able to plaz the episodes with 1 or 2 friends
thin sage
no im just wondering if there will be a coop mode for the campaign
thin sage
k
jade root
co-op will be added post release
blazing walrus
vale oar
Yep
potent kestrel
duskyear
lapis yoke
dusk in the wind
north oriole
how much ammo did it take to make that?
vale oar
well 200-70 =130 xD
serene sandal
buoyant stream
chrome mountain
is there anywhere we could possible get the Dusk OST?
mild ginkgo
it will be available for purchase when the game launches
chrome mountain
okay great
thin sphinx
there a re some tracks up on andrew channel right now
set them in a playlist and listen to aiof you want
cerulean sun
i love his duke nukem theme remake i plan on using that for a music video one day if i ever get Control agent 3:57 or better in Goldeneye
grave nymph
Yo uhhhh quick question how does the climbing thing work and what does morale do
slate edge
Morale = armour
grave nymph
Ahhh
slate edge
Climbing works with shift
thin sphinx
well its the run key
grave nymph
THERES A RUN KEY
thin sphinx
yeah for if you turn off auto run
thin sphinx
run will make you walk if its is pressed with auto run
cerulean sun
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
10.03
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
fuck me so close to sub 10 seconds on e1m1
prisma ivy
I'd leave autorun on and use it as a walk key. There's not too many places where walking is useful
sullen carbon
I don't think I've ever walked
prisma ivy
Yeah. There's no footstep sound effect so it's not very useful in DuskWorld either.
Just there if you want it
sullen carbon
Though sometimes crouching does the trick and I have done that for little bits of jumping
thin sphinx
ive used wlak a couple times
to line up "THOSE" sort of angles
where crlouching is not aproriate but walking is
humble wigeon
Huppy new year everyone
crimson folio
Marry Christmas
acoustic oriole
happy duskyear
2018, year of the duck
cerulean sun
crimson folio
sub 10 when
cerulean sun
stuck on the top door frame at the start
after the box
and maybe get a cleaner ending hop as well
mild ginkgo
VERY nice
exotic ibex
man you're making me want to start making progress into 100% runs
rocky valley
I'm not sure if I'm missing something but a jump-pad in E2M6 doesn't seem to jump me as high as it's supposed to
jaunty meteor
It's apparently a bug related to saving/loading? Hopefully it'll be resolved soon; try restarting your game
rocky valley
Ah, alright, thanks
Also thanks for whoever designed this boss guy here. Might be my new favorite boss from anything ever
Well, got the idea for
Probably the Big Cheese himself but still
grave nymph
fell off the hellish space island thingy on escher labs level before i even got to see what was making those weird noises
NOT LIKE THIS
crimson folio
lel
echo epoch
You're in for fun™
dim valve
@grave nymph SPOILERS: it isn't justin roiland making those noises
grave nymph
😱
dim valve
New Blood: where every meme is forced
summer otter
crimson folio
New Blood: where every meme is a reference to one of the devs
i saw Dave say "bigly" last night, it was sort of the highlight of the chat for the day
bigly tidly
dim valve
New Blood: where every game is cancelled
jaunty meteor
Might be too early to ask, but will DAWN be able to make use of most Quake editors' ability to test run the map on whatever source port you feed it?
i.e. you feed the editor the SDK's executable, the SDK recognizes the compiled map as a Quake format map, converts it, then launches Dusk so you can test run the map
crimson folio
i hope so
dim valve
Isn't the scripting language completely different?
I thought it just takes in the geometry
crimson folio
the only problem with that would be the map -> unitypackage thing
jaunty meteor
That's going to be automated, @crimson folio
crimson folio
yeah but will that automation shit work if you launch a map from the editor 🤔
jaunty meteor
... That's what I'm asking :p
graceful wing
Hey guys, big announcement time
crimson folio
oh boi
graceful wing
Duskworld is cancel
crimson folio
FUC
thin sphinx
oh shit
graceful wing
That is all. Happy new year
jaunty meteor
good riddance, now i can go back to overwatch!
jaunty meteor
Wow, your sarcasm levels are even higher than mine..!!!
thin sphinx
ITTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSS OVVVVVVVVVVVER ())))))))))))))))))))!\
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
i forgot to let go of shift
im leaving it
cerulean sun
TL;DR its rip
crimson folio
Steam Community Announcement: Dusk is rip
bold meadow
does this mean they'll wipe my memories of playing EP1 & 2 also??
slate edge
No, you are still left with the pain
cerulean sun
rip sub 10 e1m1
crimson folio
on Map 3, Old Time Religion
stuck at the part with the blue door, looked at a video and it looks like the blue key is in a secret that you have to get with an explosive
I don't have any explosives
do you really have to get that secret to progress?
nope
theres another blue key
where
I can't get back up from the hole I jumped in
dunno how I missed that ladder lmao
IF YOU START HAND CANNON BY ANDREW HULSHULT AT 23:59:50PM YOU'LL START 2018 WITH THE POWER OF HUP
wraith cape
@crimson folio still stuck? haven't found any red gas cans laying around? can always use those to blow things up.
crimson folio
@wraith cape I found it
wraith cape
shweet
not even a link to or mention of where to buy it although not that it would be hard to figure out.
crimson folio
how do I datamine Dusk Ep1
there's files that follow a levelX archetecture with no filename extensions
are they renamed zip files or something?
dim valve
@crimson folio You think you're datamining dusk when it's really dusk that's datamining you
dim valve
clown vomit?
crimson folio
@dim valve nani?
shy stirrup
no its my own settings with sweetfx shaders
shy stirrup
?
vivid cape
only a true redneck understands
gleaming berry
DEM SHADDERS
winged otter
i want a good RR port 😦
dim valve
i want a good rr
oh wait
dusk e1
QUICK DAVE DELETE 500_PTS' BOOCHEUS COMMENT FROM FRIDAY BEFORE HE FINDS IT
cosmic urchin
10
winged otter
yes,10+secret mission
mild ginkgo
every episode will have 11
winged otter
secret counts as e1ms? right?
cosmic urchin
yes
slate edge
EP4 will be called "thy bacon consumed"
mild ginkgo
:dacon3:
prisma ivy
slate edge
thin sphinx
ep4 would be cool if it was like a mini version of e1 ep 2 aND EP3 IN ONE EPISODE
with a harder difficulty overall
compared to ep 2 and 3
cosmic urchin
or just a boss gauntlet
valid path
ep4
the boss takes over
also i swear to god i almost got a pb for e1m2 but lost by .02 of a second
cerulean sun
just wait till i cook that level up
must have 9 first
another close run today at 10.07
wet token
Finally back from visiting family and had a chance to play and finish Episode 2. just excellent all around. Level design is even stepped up from the first
And happy new years and stuff
echo epoch
Nice man
cerulean sun
Im wasted
valid path
dusk rpg when
cosmic urchin
dusk mmo when
gleaming berry
IDK buy 1m copies
echo epoch
I'm so drunk I might play Dusk
pure frost
cerulean sun
Sub 10 e1m1 is 2018 exclusive
balmy sluice
@cerulean sun you gotta take a break my dude lol
You've been grinding that level p hard
cerulean sun
Thats how you get times that that stand
Like i said yesterday rip my duskworld career i gotta go fast
balmy sluice
Andrew needs to do a deja vu cover for endless map 3
hollow ivyBOT
🔄 READ OUR ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE STATE OF DUSK AND OUR DEVELOPMENT ROADMAP FOR 2018 HERE. IMPORTANT STUFF!
http://steamcommunity.com/games/519860/announcements/detail/1587947907202018531
potent kestrel
If Dusk was to be a person, their dream would be to become 20 years old like their senpai Blood
limpid comet
Episode 4: The Silver Key, and you can time travel
That one is on the house boys.
pallid token
I just killed a wizard with soap xD
shut mesa
what a waste of soap
opal plover
Soap does millions of damage
serene pewter
Thats alota damage
supple scroll
Found a bug :P
shut mesa
nope
slate edge
You`ve always been able to do that in ep1
mild ginkgo
not a bug, its a secret
neon eagle
shy stirrup
beautiful
grave nymph
holy shit that mama boss is insane i just snatched the blue keycard and yote~ outta there
winged otter
just use riveter or mortar
grave nymph
im stuck on erebus reactor, dunno where to go n what to do
if anyone is down to lend a hand dm me so we dont spoil people that havent gotten to that level yet
help has been recieved
solar olive
Managed to kill mama without opening the cage xd
lucid trench
Crossbow spam?
austere wraith
"Oh boy I just played through this level and now I get to fight the boss... I cant wait to-" LAG SPIKE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIF8UTv1bJ4&feature=youtu.be
tardy cove
Hey there, I was playing again the super duper early Dusk test level
and wondering
What happened to the Buzzsaw and the Totem?
Those seemed very fun tbh
jade root
they gone
mild ginkgo
if you throw the sawblades you find in the levels, they have the same behavior as the weapon