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#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
twilit cradle
ocelot is cool
vague egret
woeful sonnet
I got a notification what happened?
sullen carbon
Dusk was cancelled
sick lintel
real
woeful sonnet
Damn you light mapping damn you!
prisma ivy
rip dusk
twilit olive
i cant believe it
prisma kestrel
for maximum confusion, don't actually cancel the game, but just rename Dusk to "Cancel"
vague egret
we just wont tell you its cancelled
stone thistle
gonna buy it again when it's on GOG
mild ginkgo
🙏pray they decide to allow it
stone thistle
I do every day
if not I still have it on Steam so having fun will not be a problem
jaunty meteor
I remember one of the devs saying that EP2 would be partly inspired by Black Mesa, that had me curious since not much of that has been seen from publicly released screenshots
It all looks really gritty and industrial instead of clean and futuristic like most of the "science" areas of BM
mild ginkgo
well, youll have to see :)
thorn trout
There was something of a disconnect between what Dave thought ep2 was going to be and what I had planned for Ep2. There are some Black Mesa-y moments but for the most part it's more gritty industrial. More inspired by STALKER and other sources.
quiet rose
What 500 said
quiet rose
lol. i sent that the same time david
thorn trout
but... there's definitely a lot of variety, and I don't want to spoil some of the location surprises :)
quiet rose
did
jaunty meteor
Did you spar it out in the ring to figure out which creative vision would prevail?
thorn trout
weirdly I don't think Dave and I have sparred about anything really.
usually we come to an agreement pretty quickly
quiet rose
^^^
thorn trout
well, either that or I just decide not to do what he says then he's proven right on public release -_-
stupid damn Intoxigator lever
rotund glen
do tell
thorn trout
Dave was all "these lever textures are too hard to see." And I was like "meh they're fine." Then right before pre orders he was like "these levers are still hard to see and nobody can figure out how to get out of the Intoxigator room" and I was like "I don't want to change the texture so I'll just move it and illuminate it with a light so nobody could possibly miss it" and then we keep getting complaints that nobody can figure out how to get out of the Intoxigator room despite the switch being RIGHT THERE.
jaunty meteor
Hah, well if you want another anecdotal story it took me like 5 minutes to find that lever after killing the Intoxigator :p
zealous bridge
final release will be a dozen neon billboards pointing to the lever like a red light district at midnight
zealous bridge
at least that's my headcanon
thorn trout
couldn't hurt
rotund glen
anecdotally I found that lever no problem because I actually pay attention when playing games
jaunty meteor
I don't like the implication that I, and everyone else who missed the switch, wasn't paying attention :p
rotund glen
hahaha
stone thistle
I had no problem getting out of that room on my first playthrough
frozen heart
I must confess I too took a good minute to fine the switch lol
But not as long as other people.
lament stone
Im more annoyed with the button code on the last episode.
elder raft
??
fossil oriole
i just had to look around after the fight and it only took me a few seconds to find it
sullen carbon
It took me a minute
analog sable
sullen carbon
I think Dave is only half right though
It is a little hard to spot but in games like doom and quake you're always looking at every little corner anyways for any little secret
At least, I am
stone thistle
exactly
sullen carbon
But some of us weren't raised on those games either :)
stone thistle
true
prisma kestrel
i found the switch easily
...because I watched a streamer preview the game and get confused at that part and struggle to find it for a minute :D :D :D
so then I remembered it
thorn trout
lol
indigo dock
So I told my grandfather about Dusk because he likes shoot-em-ups a lot, but his eyesight isn't the best and he really wants to try it. What should I do?
hexed roost
Hook him up with a controller and heavy aim assist
We're all about inclusiveness and making sure older players as well as the disabled can enjoy DUSK
mild ginkgo
have him play radiant silvergun
hexed roost
If he runs into issues let us know and we'll see if there's something we could do for both him and others in his position
thorn trout
^^^^
hexed roost
It was cool seeing white haired guys at quakecon binding movement to the numpad
Then they went nuts with their kids on DUSKworld
summer otter
random color option that cycled on death/level change would be neat 😃
(between the presets, not literally random)
jaunty meteor
Hey, here's a thought I just had
Will Duskworld have any sort of anticheat solution?
prisma halo
That's 500_pts' domain, but I'd assume nothing like VAC or others
Just basic protection that comes free with client/server systems simply due to how they work
mild ginkgo
Yeah so we'll do what we can but let's be real here
Good anticheat is going to cost a lot of money, or development time
prisma halo
and if we went with VAC, for example
I don't think that's a good idea for a game as openly moddable as Dusk
mild ginkgo
For a game that does not intend to be serious in any way
prisma halo
it'd be too easy to fuck up and accidentally load something when you shouldn't
and land yourself an irremovable VAC
mild ginkgo
Yeah
That's a valid concern
We have Anticheat in mind
But it's not a big focus
This isn't an esport
And it's community will likely be quite small
Cheaters will be known quickly, and word will spread
We absolutely reserve the right to ban them manually
prisma halo
on top of that, you can never truly stop clientside cheats such as aimbots
mild ginkgo
Yeah it's nigh impossible
prisma halo
cheats that actually affect the game itself and not your inputs obviously won't work simply because of how a client/server architecture works
but yeah there's not much we can do about clientside hacks
mild ginkgo
All scripts pertaining to network information get CRC checked, so if there's a mismatch, the server will disallow it
But client-side, not much to do
You can obfuscate and lock down memory addresses to a degree
To prevent/mitigate cheatengine
Etc
prisma halo
Even then you can modify the client to always provide the valid CRCs for an unmodified game, but since it's client/server that'd only break your own experience
mild ginkgo
But you'll never stop it
prisma halo
Since the server is authoritative
jaunty meteor
Oh, it's fine; I didn't mean to imply it's necessary, if Duskworld is a dedicated server-centric game then the classic "let an admin handle it" solution works just fine
mild ginkgo
Yeah that's the main attitude we have going in
mild ginkgo
There is no matchmaking or ranked play at the moment
jaunty meteor
Thank god
mild ginkgo
So it's highly unnecessary
jaunty meteor
I want a big fat server browser and nothing else 🤤
mild ginkgo
That's the hope
prisma halo
matchmaking & ranked play are overrated anyway
fair mirage
i'm totally gonna be hosting a server for duksworld 24/7 when it happens
fossil oriole
duks rp les goooo
mild ginkgo
We obviously have plans to host official dedicated servers as well
fair mirage
cheating knobs will feel the wrath of my soaphammer
mild ginkgo
But we want people hosting their own
prisma halo
a soap hammer
prisma halo
ye
jaunty meteor
exclusive duks spoiler
prisma halo
You can see it in the old Dusk first look video, if you're curious
jaunty meteor
I remember! There was that obnoxious wooshing noise
mild ginkgo
I think that's still in the game, but you'd have to create a way to access it with Dawn or UPM
prisma halo
I think the hammer models are still referenced in WeaponAnimator
or at least a script somewhere
mild ginkgo
And the player hands as well
prisma halo
even if they're not you can load them via Resources.Load
then just hook 'em up
I wonder if I should give Dawn an "unrestricted" mode that gives you unrestricted access to all of .NET and the Unity APIs
mild ginkgo
The hands are totally ready to go you just have to enable them
prisma halo
So if a mod wants to do something crazy advanced, they can require restricted mode at the expense of player confidence in running them
jaunty meteor
Even if it's potentially dangerous, I prefer too much over too little
jaunty meteor
Completely unrelated game, but Binding of Isaac's expansion pack was meant to come with "robust modding support"; they ended up blocking off the coolest APIs which people were using to implement online play and twitch integration and other wacky shit
and it made me very bitter about the notion of removing modding functionality for "security concerns"
prisma halo
rip
mild ginkgo
We have no plans to intentionally hamper modders
prisma halo
my stance is that anything potentially dangerous should be disabled by default, but should have an option to enable it anyway
kinda like "Run as administrator" lol
mild ginkgo
Yeah
jaunty meteor
Sounds A-OK with me!
jaunty meteor
I can't imagine I'd do too much scripting anyways
Maybe I could try making a gamemode...
prisma halo
I'm gonna write comprehensive docs so hopefully learning shouldn't be TOO hard
jaunty meteor
Woohoo, ease of use
prisma halo
I'll be writing at minimum three tutorials
jaunty meteor
I've been playing loads of TFC, so I might try my hand at making a TFC-style A/D gamemode, if it doesn't already exist by the time DAWN comes out
prisma halo
Each of which would detail how to create a different type of example mod
in addition to separate documentation for each part of the SDK and individual scripting components, of course
Maybe the tutorials should be custom enemy, custom weapon and custom gamemode or game feature
jaunty meteor
Custom enemy? Ooh, that sounds pretty ambitious
Working with 3D models totally intimidates me
prisma halo
It's more about the scripting part
These tutorials are specifically scripting-focused
The custom monster one would probably be something like recreating Quake's Ogre or something
fair mirage
ye i wanna make a weapon mod but i haven't done modelling in my life 
mild ginkgo
Yeah I wonder why 🤔
fair mirage
inb4 BETTER GET STARTED
mild ginkgo
It's not like zombie has a working recreation of the ogre or anything
prisma halo
You can modify behaviours on existing weapons or make use of unused weapon models in the game
jaunty meteor
I've never fiddled with AI anything, outside of a couple of hours of fucking around in DECORATE for that Lisa wad I made a year or two back
prisma halo
That's not even a recreation, that's the real deal
prisma halo
Since that code works with animation I might dump that into Dawn before skeletal animation for demo purposes lol
mild ginkgo
I modified that slightly to have a runtime toggle setting for it
Just so I could switch between modes without having to edit the script or stop the game
prisma halo
heh
jaunty meteor
It would be fun to remake some build enemies in Dusk
Wouldn't I be able to have the model be a flat polygon that always faces the player, with an animated texture of the sprites?
mild ginkgo
Yes
prisma halo
I actually plan to support sprite-based objects out of the box
but the API for that isn't designed yet
jaunty meteor
!!!
prisma halo
Yeah, the hard part is creating a nice interface for a modder to use
jaunty meteor
You sure have a lot on your plate; func_train brushes, sprite-based enemies, all these tutorials
You really are going all out
prisma halo
Yup
jaunty meteor
It's appreciated!!
mild ginkgo
It will be the best modding experience of any game ever
prisma halo
It'll be worth it... I hope
jaunty meteor
If it gives me the same experience I had walking into Doom in 2016, I'll be plenty happy
prisma halo
No game to come out in recent times, anyway
jaunty meteor
For some reason I just assumed that everyone still used map editors from the mid-1990s, so imagine my surprise when I learned about DECORATE or GZDoom Builder or ZDoom scripting in general
prisma halo
Yeah, for all its flaws
ZDoom is a VERY good reference point for how to approach modding
mild ginkgo
I'd argue the best
prisma halo
Yeah
jaunty meteor
My interest in 90s shooters probably wouldn't have been rekindled if it wasn't for that precious wiki
mild ginkgo
I can't think of another game that does modding so well
prisma halo
The ZDoom wiki is a holy gift
jaunty meteor
It's the only reason I was able to submit a map to DUMP3, and meet a whole bunch of nice modders, and get introduced to the build community as a result
mild ginkgo
Well it's thanks to the hard work of talented individuals
prisma halo
Yeah, I can't imagine how much time was spent on it all
jaunty meteor
It's so comprehensive and methodical
mild ginkgo
So many crazy doom modders out there doing the lords work
Like you go play a terminus mod, or lithium, and you can almost forget that you're playing doom
jaunty meteor
I remember thinking I was the coolest person ever for making the floor texture scroll below a train-shaped block I made
jaunty meteor
Or making a two-floor train caboose
fair mirage
the feeling of "fuck yeah I did it" trumps all
this, so much
i remember when i successfully bugfixed one of my weapons in zdoom
it either wouldn't take the ammo from the rest of the pile when reloading or it'd just not care about the "magazine"
that reminds me, i should poke around in a few of the released zscript mods to see what kind of a nightmare it'll be relearning shit
😂
jaunty meteor
I remember trying to make a molotov cocktail in ACS which had the ability to spread to other enemies
It took me like 10 hours but I did it...
prisma halo
regular ACS is horrible
but if you use GDCC you can write code in C or use an enhanced version of ACS
opal plover
Hey I want to make a dm map for dusk so I was wondering, the quake ranger is about the same size as duskdude right?
Also are there duskworld only powerups
exotic ibex
roughly, and no.
opal plover
Ok, Thanks!
opal plover
Yeah, there will be a new powerup introduced in e2m1 right?
jaunty meteor
You know, if/when Dusk gets the ability to directly read Quake .map files
It'd be cool if it'd take +map "mapnamehere" launch options, so you could launch directly into your map from map editors
prisma halo
+map is something I want to have in early
fair mirage
i take it linux server binaries will be a thing
prisma halo
I've already got that in my plan, heh
the whole + thing is just a way to execute console commands from the command line
it's kinda like autoexec.cfg, except well, used on the command line
jaunty meteor
Awesome!
I was gonna say "it'd make it easier to make maps to-scale from the start", but now I'm curious if it's just easier to rescale the map after it's done :p
mild ginkgo
It's insanely easy to do that
mild ginkgo
As long as you have a consistent scale within the map
jaunty meteor
500, when you rescaled my map did you do it when converting from .map>dusk format, or was it done in Dusk itself?
mild ginkgo
Resealing the whole thing is nothimg
prisma halo
even then you can do it by converting coordinates to double or decimal before scaling them
to prevent precision loss
mild ginkgo
I did it after it was in bsp format, and loaded in
Yeah my method probably had small precision errors
But it's incredibly early and crude atm
jaunty meteor
And that's something that you'd be able to specify in the .map itself, maybe through some entity? Like having a world_scale entity with a key that you can set to 1.5 to make the world 1.5x larger and whatnot?
mild ginkgo
The ultimate goal is runtime bsp loading
jaunty meteor
Or am I confusing how that sort of thing would be done
prisma halo
you could totally have a world_scale entity
although you'd probably just set that in the worldspawn entity
mild ginkgo
Yep
prisma halo
since that's usually for map specific settings
mild ginkgo
Add a key to it
Ez
We'll just have the game read that parameter and scale the map
Very simple
I could get that working in probably 10 minutes
jaunty meteor
Since you're talking about precision errors, I wonder if that means there'd be problems if you tried to have the scale go upwards 1:1
Isn't Dusk like 1.78x the scale of Quake or something silly like that?
mild ginkgo
Someone did some random math, I will not vouch for that number
But like zombie said, we can easily avoid precision errors
jaunty meteor
Well! I'll trust both of you on it since you know far more than me on the subject :B
prisma halo
plus if necessary we can scale Dusk's assets themselves down
to match the Quake scale
mild ginkgo
Like you've probably seen some areas where the geometry has small leaks
In your map
That's very likely just a simple precision error from scaling it in a brutish way
Yeah Dawn will make scale much more arbitrary
Dusk has a lot of things you'd have to scale downwards because there's no global modifier
Like explosion radius, things of that nature
Every asset would need to be individually scaled downward
But Dawn can include a global scale modifier
Probably simpler to have a world_scale
But no reason not to support both
jaunty meteor
Ah, I see!
I just did a quick runthrough of my map, didn't notice any leaks even when eyeballing the super wonky off-grid slopes
mild ginkgo
I saw some :B
jaunty meteor
I guess it's a YMMV situation but it worked fine for me! So it'll be nice that it'll work even better in the future
mild ginkgo
I was triggered by it
jaunty meteor
Are you sure it wasn't just my poor mapping :B
mild ginkgo
100%
Bsp/maps simply won't allow the kind of error present
But this is also using an incredibly rough bsp import method
It will only get infinitely better
jaunty meteor
That's pretty surprising to hear, I always was worried about rounding errors in the back of my head
jaunty meteor
You'd be able to scale it to completely bonkers arbitrary values and not have leaks? Like if I just wanted to scale my map to 1.13% its normal size, no vertex funny business?
mild ginkgo
Yeah that should pose no issue, I think the build i gave you was 1.53
Or something silly
jaunty meteor
Color me impressed, this all is blowing my mind
mild ginkgo
I'm just as surprised as you are
But this is all too brute /manual atm
Need to finish the flow for end user baking and loading their maps
It's also absolutely polluting my source
brittle summit
for the love of god please dont change how ridiculously OP throwing a barrel at someone is
its glorious
jaunty meteor
Everyone in KOTH is a caricature of someone you could reasonably meet in real life, but not to the point where they cease to act like actual people
jade root
Wrong chat mate
jaunty meteor
Or is it..?
jade root
Thx
h
x
jaunty meteor
Is it okay if I regurgitate a lot of tonight's conversation in a few places? Or is this more of a "keep it on the down-low for now" sort of thing
vague egret
Everything we say here isn't under any sort of NDA. Go nuts
jaunty meteor
Cool!
graceful wing
mhm, seen this before
jaunty meteor
Decided to scrap that wall of text, I get too ranty late at night :B
autumn compass
fair mirage
DUKS
crimson folio
arcane dimensions 
mighty dagger
I have to buy a new laptop, what are the hardware specs required to play dusk so i can play any where any time?
mild ginkgo
i think itll run on any modern laptop at all tbh
mighty dagger
Before i trash the one ive got, ill test out that theory
I mean, this one is going on ten years old
I cant even really stream from it
steel wind
if the laptop has any discrete graphics AT ALL my money is on 'dusk will run'
deft salmon
And then the guy responds with "eh, graphics are pretty poo probably some bad Unity game anyways I'm off to bUY DESTINY 2"
steel wind
if Destiny 2 had a low poly art style like Dusk maybe I'd be more interested lol
dusk mmo when?
DusQuest: Lords of Soap - coming soon to interwebz near you.
shut mesa
w h y
deft salmon
I actually do want to try Destiny 2 but man come on don't brush off Dusk
It's like 20 dollars
That's nothing
deft salmon
Unless you're 12
crimson folio
OI
deft salmon
All games = mixed 🅱️owl
deft salmon
You can't use by itself
But in a 🅱️entence like this it's okie dookie
Until Jab finds it and gets upset
prisma kestrel
we are truly in the dankest timeline
graceful wing
regional indicators including B are considered spam, that's why B is blocked by itself
thorn trout
I don't get the B meme
crimson folio
ikr
i think its a BPT thing
or deep fried memes
its about the whole bloodz and cripz thing
the bloodz use reds etc.
its also super short for brother etc.
frozen heart
All memes are forced these days
thorn trout
deep fried memes I at least kind of get on a weird level.
@frozen heart remember when memes used to kind of make sense?
crimson folio
wuss poppin jim🅱o
thorn trout
those were dark days
crimson folio
BOTTOM TEXT
summer otter
was random color option not as neat as I thought 😦
is there a best color preset
I like opposites : )
shut mesa
TOP TEXT
🅱OTTOM TEXT
crimson folio
WHOMST THE FUCK
im gonna make a b emoji mod for dusk
a nice little regional indicator font pack
shut mesa
🅱orale
crimson folio
and the letters that dont have indicators will be in comic sans
jade root
i hate you people
crimson folio
aww :(
crimson folio
also jabberino hate is a very strong word
jade root
thats why i used it
vague egret
Good work shillbot
crimson folio
A+
bronze nacelle
hi
austere egret
hi
frozen heart
👋
sick lintel
surrealmemes is where its at my dudes
shut mesa
sick lintel
SCRONCH
graceful wing
frozen heart
OOF MY SQUANCH
fair jolt
memes were always about being in on the joke. Now every normie on Facebook is memeing they have to make less sense.
frozen heart
Dusk is just a meme afterall
crimson folio
that was a meme
sick lintel
normies on facebook have always been memeing
memes have just evolved as they slowly caught up
crimson folio
hhhhmmmm ~~~~le meems XXXDDDdddd 😂 👌🏽
sick lintel
i see u are a meme of memeture too my fellow le redditor XD
limber pier
r/meme economy
sick lintel
r/wholesomememes :3
vague egret
shitty subreddits isnt very dusk related
crimson folio
^^^^^
limber pier
r/DUSKthegame
quiet rose
steel wind
I wonder if dusk will run on my gt 730
vague egret
likely might
not super well. IIRC, gt 730 is worse than intel HD in many applications
frozen heart
But will it run on my voodoo 386
vague egret
wouldnt that be something
fair mirage
somethin like that
steel wind
well I'm sure iris 530 would be more capable
but this is intel hd 2000
which blows donkey nuts
anyway is there a way to see FPS in dusk without fraps?
like a console command?
vague egret
my tablet gets 45fps @ 720p. that has an intel 520
thats before it cooks itself to death because the entire unit is passively cooled
steel wind
yeah tablets are weird beasts
the whole cooling 'solution' for most tabs is to simply power throttle the crap out of them to prevent them from actually running at full speed
then if you tinker with them and get them to run unlocked you end up melting the damn things 😂
dusk in portrait mode is surprisingly still playable
jaunty meteor
iDusk, now with intuitive touchscreen controls
Tap twice to start moving forward. Tap three times to move backwards!
vague egret
dont give dave any ideas. the mad man would do it
sullen carbon
Woah
jaunty meteor
Tap no times to shoot.
steel wind
well a lot of mobile fps fire automatically when the crosshair is over an enemy
IE dead trigger 2 which is the tits
sick lintel
i mean if runescape can come to mobile, anything can
gleaming berry
mild ginkgo
thats pretty decent
sick lintel
hdusk xD
hexed roost
i think riet's hud was better tbh
fossil oriole
hhhhghhghnnng
i love nice chunky pixelated status bars
quiet rose
Riets hud fit a bit more tbh
rotund glen
what was riets hud like?
sharp zinc
oh hey
sharp zinc
quiet rose
the good s h i t
rotund glen
heh neato
fossil oriole
THAT'S ALSO REALLY GOOD
i think the second one definitely looks better thematicallly but i really like the detail and polish of the sprites in the first one as well as the hud being familiar to what already exists
gud stuff all around 👏
fossil oriole
YES SHILL BOT OVERLORD
thorn trout
most environment textures are 128x128. Enemies are usually 256x256
jaunty meteor
Huh... I hope that's not an issue
mild ginkgo
well, you can do whatever you want with textures, but we sure as shit cant sell quake textures
jaunty meteor
If I fit a 128x128 texture to a 64x64 brush, when the map is scaled up will the texture have lost some of its quality?
mild ginkgo
unless we want big daddy bethesda knocking on our door
jaunty meteor
Oh yeah, not the issue I meant!
mild ginkgo
no there want be any quality loss
quiet rose
it just #bnnuy-and-the-jits
jaunty meteor
Will you be able to embed audio and have it play through triggers in Dusk maps?
For instance, if I wanted a door to have a custom opening noise, or I wanted Dusk BGM to play during the map
fair mirage
if i had to guess, that's likely how they do the music
thin sphinx
i would think ambient generic would allow that
jaunty meteor
Of course the devs can do it, but I was wondering if it's something that'd be easily available for mappers
thin sphinx
if it works in quake 1 it should work in dusk is a good rule of thumb when looking at the .bsp importation feature
jaunty meteor
These things would need to be supported by the mapping workflow they recommend to mappers (Trenchbroom > convert > import), not New Blood's internal workflow (do it all internally with unity)
jaunty meteor
Oh, it's not an issue, rather I'm just asking if it'll be supported
thin sphinx
wonder if pakrat or the equivlent will be supported for quake 1 maps in dusk
or if youll have to keep a seprate folder for material files
jaunty meteor
Hmm, can you even pack sounds with a Quake 1 format map? I've never done that before
opal plover
So I want to make a DM arena for DuskWorld I want to know, should I scale it to be a bit bigger than it would be in quake or will there be a way to put the map up to scale?
And also how will the forest walls work, will it be like a texture at the very bottom of the map wall?
atomic egret
maps will scale fine
jaunty meteor
The scale is something like 1.5-1.7x Quake's, but both 500 and Zombie said that there'd be a way to autoscale your map for Dusk
prisma halo
@jaunty meteor You can play audio in maps, of course
you wouldn't embed the audio file in the map itself though, but rather just bundle it with the mod
You'd do something like func_audio or something
atomic egret
func_vehicle?
crimson folio
For making map triggers to play an audio track?
prisma halo
yeah
crimson folio
Hmm
jaunty meteor
Awesome, very happy that functionality is in!
Sorry if I'm asking about basic features, but since I'm rediscovering mapping after not doing anything with it in over a decade, it's all really exciting to me :B
prisma halo
Just remember that currently my #1 focus is scripting (custom enemies, weapons, etc)
custom levels are likely to be the feature implemented last
jaunty meteor
Fine by me!
prisma halo
as a result, anything I say is subject to change
Since custom maps are probably the hardest part to get "right"
Not only do I want compatibility with established Quake entities, but we've gotta add our own too to simplify interaction with other parts of the SDK
jaunty meteor
Would you feel uncomfortable if anything you posted here regarding mapping features was reposted on, say, Steam Forums?
prisma halo
Not at all, as long as it's made clear that it's an ever-changing component of the SDK right now
jaunty meteor
Will do
prisma halo
I'm glad people are making maps this early, gives me hope that the pain of getting those loading won't be for nothing :D
jaunty meteor
If nothing else I can guarantee that I'll have at least 2 maps ready for the SDK when it launches, possibly more
opal plover
Also are there gonna be tunes made for DuskWorld?
fair jolt
was the lawrence spector x dave oshry panel recorded?
opal plover
Hey this doorframe is something that would reasonably work in dusk right?
radiant venture
depends, unity has a different unit/inch scale than Quake engine
opal plover
Well the duskguy is 1,78 times bigger than ranger I heard so this probably works, or does it get even more complicated than that?
radiant venture
if you're gonna make a dusk map in for example trenchbroom, you need to scale it so that it makes sens in unity
or so I heard
because the map is gonna be either too big or too small
opal plover
Well I made the doorframe bigger than ranger on purpose but I guess I could still scale it out afterwards, it's a pretty small map
radiant venture
because the size of a unit in unity is bigger than in Quake
you need to scale everything down
the whole map
afaik
opal plover
Well that's just confusing 500 told me that ranger was 1,78 times smaller than duskdude
radiant venture
maybe it's based on units
opal plover
Well shouldn't the map fit the player size no matter the unit?
radiant venture
no
imagine
you make a house
and you do the area 450x450 inches
and then you wanna make it into cm
and you do 450x450 cm
opal plover
Oh so it converts the Bsp into a dusk map but by also converting the unit
opal plover
Well I don't know, do you think I should just draw my map on paper and then build it after I get to mess with the BSP2Dmap converter?
radiant venture
I take no responsibility 👀
opal plover
Well you know what I think I'd better just wait
radiant venture
👍
prisma kestrel
quick @prisma halo question re:modding-stuff-that-aint-maps: what formats will be supported for custom models?
[presuming that's a thing ofc]
prisma halo
IQM is the "main" format
possibly IQE as well
there's also support for MD3
Maybe more in the future but any other formats aren't a priority right now
prisma kestrel
coolness! that's what I needed to know.
[the usual disclaimer: i'm not actually planning anything. Just letting the imagination gears turn until they stop on something.]
[also thanks ;]
prisma halo
👌
crimson folio
good job shillbot
sick lintel
nice enjoy
atomic egret
@opal plover if you just scale it per quake it'll be fine. There's gonna be tools to scale quake maps to dusk size
fossil slate
What churbot said
broken tulip
is duskworld going to be a seperate free game client?
mild ginkgo
it will be free with your purchase of dusk
broken tulip
ok was just wondering because quakeworld is the free standalone version of quake
broken tulip
i confused it with nQuake
mild ginkgo
:P
but yeah, duskworld will be a separate executable from dusk, however when you launch dusk on steam, you will get an option between launching the main game, or duskworld
jade root
"pay duskworld" you mean
mild ginkgo
💸
jade root
gotta pay everytimg you play
if you die the app closes
gotta pay again to get back in
vague egret
If you die, an important windows system file gets deleted.
prisma kestrel
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94917-Lose-Lose-The-Game-That-Deletes-Your-Files <-- someone did this a while back
not quite the same thing, but I'm also reminded of the old doom hack where killing an enemy would kill a running process on the system:
[geeze, i have space in my brain for this stuff but can't remember what i had for lunch]
fossil slate
When is duskworld coming?
I'll setup a server when it is ready! Everybody will be welcomed!
broken tulip
inb4 good players learn how to spawn frag players through walls with crossbow (half life gauss gun flashbacks)
jaunty meteor
Hmm... but when I test it out, player can't clear a 56u-high room
Blegh, I have no clue anymore
jaunty meteor
How is Duskworld's netcode?
What's the longest-distance game that's been played so far?
jaunty meteor
You have Duskworld?
exotic ibex
i'm a part of QA.
fair mirage
if y'all need someone with shit internet for testing, i'm yer guy 😉
jaunty meteor
Well heck, all these unmarked special people
exotic ibex
theres not many of us.
zombies work is well talked about
i think im the only unmarked guy. mostly because im not a mod and i would be a terrible moderator.
jaunty meteor
I was curious if Dusk had any sort of lag compensation, like in Valve's source-era games
exotic ibex
thats nothing i can talk about. not because i legally cant but because i lack the understanding.
jaunty meteor
Where hitscan weapons will always favor the attacker during rollback, meaning that even if you have 200 ping, if you hit a shot on your end, when the game updates to reflect what happened, even if that guy ended up being behind a corner by the time you "shot" him, he'll die
Which sounds strange and counter-intuitive, but it goes a long way towards making hitscan usable in high latency
exotic ibex
yeah i dont know how duskworld handles its networking.
im more worried about making maps to fight on and making them to the best of my ability.
i would ping the guy to talk to about it but he's currently killing nazi's in day of infamy.
crimson folio
@exotic ibex you making mp maps?
exotic ibex
well, i made the layout. david set dressed the thing and implemented a few things.
crimson folio
who made the QC maps; you and Dave?
mild ginkgo
theres basically one other unmarked dude here
and he made the other map
that wasnt made by david rather
the industrial looking one was hank
the castle looking one was the other guy
and the cliff one was david
hexed roost
nobody knows
crimson folio
yeah
mild ginkgo
lmao
crimson folio
a wip version
mild ginkgo
ill wait for the finished lighting, might as well
mild ginkgo
YOU JUST SAID ITS ABOUT TO BE FULLY LIT
jaunty meteor
🔥
crimson folio
just see if the lighting looks bad in unity
dude, I'm a Romero type guy
test and play often
indigo dock
Alright, after two days I have some feedback from my grandfather about Dusk.
-
He said it was hard for him to read the text on screen, but I explained to him how to change the color schemes and I have yet to hear back from him on that.
-
He said it would be helpful if there were some kind of map system for easier navigation.
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He is confused about how to find weapons, ammo, health, etc. and keeps thinking he has to interact with the items instead of walking over them; this was resolved after I explained it to him.
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He really enjoys it so far and I will get back to you when I have more information.
mild ginkgo
👍
broken hornet
💯
opal plover
😩 👌 👌 💯 🍆
graceful wing
💯
opal plover
O N E H U N D R E D
crimson folio
will duskworld have level tracks like UT
mild ginkgo
probably
crimson folio
awesome
elder raft
Deck-16 for dusk world would be divine
autumn compass
i am geno
mild ginkgo
@broken tulip very nice
broken tulip
nice, thanks
mild ginkgo
and fair analysis :))
hope we can please you with the rest of the single player and multiplayer
fossil slate
I'm ready for MP
graceful wing
aren't we all? 😛
fossil slate
I would like to have a server
graceful wing
once the full game's out you'll be able to host your own internet / LAN servers or play on our official servers 👍
fossil slate
Ok, thanks
jaunty meteor
I want to make sure my mind isn't playing tricks on me, didn't someone in here say that at some point, Dusk will have rudimentary support for Half-Life/GoldSrc map importing
Geometry, if nothing else
mild ginkgo
ehhh, its very tentative, no promises yet!
mild ginkgo
F
bronze nacelle
JUST FINISHED EP1
thorn trout
@indigo dock Glad to hear he's enjoying it, and it sounds like his issues are fairly minor :)
fossil slate
Are yall close to the testing of Duskworld?
vague egret
SOON
naive plinth
speedrunning the game, so far im at the city with something around 10 min in game so far, avarage about a min per level, with the first and one more being at about 30 saconds, whats the record so far?
vague egret
OOB is down to sub 5 minutes
quiet rose
All info here :)
Most people run accessable so far
No OOB is 4:53.93
OOB is 3:11.59
Both held by Brainfluid
naive plinth
ive been playing on cidero medro or what ever it is, and whats OOB?
oh wait nvr mind
quiet rose
Out of bounds
naive plinth
yeah I got that last second, and wow, id love to see the video of that
quiet rose
Its on there!
naive plinth
huh, guess i should look into running it on accessible and recording it, sadly though the game lags a bit when i record, think my processor isnt up to recording anything
quiet rose
What is your CPU?
naive plinth
eeehhhh idk off the top of my head
quiet rose
Ah, if you knew i could've helped a bit
vague egret
got a nvidia gpu? just shadowplay
naive plinth
its a amd
vague egret
amd has a shadowplay like function. not sure of the name
but they have their own encoder
naive plinth
its a 4300 quad-core 3.8 GHz according to my settings
naive plinth
yeah, maybe its just my settings
vague egret
try recording at 720p / 30fps with a 2000kbs bit rate. its pretty cookie cutter and works on most machines
fossil slate
amd is something like relive?
vague egret
think thats it
vague egret
naive plinth
oh yeah I also showed DUSK to my friend, who has never played doom or quake, or really any type of old school shooter, and he said he loved it
crimson folio
the dusk effect
if a game graphically looks shit, it doesnt matter if its F A S T
*the game does not graphically look shit
quiet rose
What
crimson folio
i dont know either steev
fair jolt
low poly look has an innate appeal, don't think it's entirely based on nostalgia.
like I've heard people talk about the Model 3 Sega stuff as 'hard poly' look. Scud Race, Virtua Fighter 3 etc. Those gamegs still look kind of cool. Chunky models.
lot of arcade game aesthetic was built around it. After the mid 2000's things stopped looking like arcade games starting to look like low budget pc/console games, and it wasn't just the tech falling behind.
last 20 years everybody obsessed with chasing photorealism with diminishing returns I think kids are going to be more interested in abstraction and style, which is more easily achievable with lower fidelity graphics.
thorn trout
Younger gamers are already somewhat more accepting of that.
Which is good because chasing photorealism is honestly a bit of a fool's errand. It always results in games that visually age very poorly, and even if photorealism were achieved all you've managed to do is make something that looks like boring everyday life. Woo.
fair jolt
western gamers i.e. teenagers had a whole obsession with omg mature games in the mid 2000's. Cel shaded games like The Wind Waker started coming out and people were saying they were cartooney or for kidz. Think that debates well ended at this point, bar the odd dopey youtube comment
fair jolt
all the desatured colours. I'd point the finger at quake but that was engine limitations. Quake 3 was quite colourful if I remember right
sick lintel
yea the thing that people seem to say about programs like blender etc. where people are always chasing photorealism, is that pure photorealism is boring. you need to do something special/different to make it good/interesting
i think i remember blender guru saying it in one of his vids
tawny briar
what
crimson folio
- Check with mods first before posting any game keys. All keys will be deleted otherwise. Malicious keys will result in an instant ban.
tawny briar
ok my bad
crimson folio
just making sure you don't get in trouble bruv
fossil slate
I want a Dusk shirt!
exotic ibex
they're comfy
fossil slate
Heh
exotic ibex
legit one of the best shirts i've owned.
fossil slate
I figured it would be rough, I guess its whatever edition you get! Duskmare is rough
exotic ibex
cant wiat for the inevitable moment when its all worn out and i cut the logo out and get that shit attatched to me jacket.
formal turret
you know
i dont exactly think achieving complete photorealism in a game is a bad thing
maybe i'd like to see real life but do things i can only do in a game
jade root
photo realism in low poly games like dusk and quake just look bad
formal turret
I don't mean dusk specifically
jade root
then why bring it up in #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk?
formal turret
because David talked about it just a couple messages ago but I didn't want to go to general and tag him cus idk if I'm allowed
jade root
*trash metal
exotic ibex
its the genre were we throw nerds in the trash while thrashing around like idiots
autumn compass
yes
fossil slate
Play Dusk to Smooth Jazz, its the best! 👍
woeful sonnet
Hey how does one make a skybox texture anyone?
jade root
woeful sonnet
I thought I was in general 😐
past linden
Escape from New York's rad as hell
echo spear
Fantastic film
prisma ivy
Wrong channel
slate edge
Duskdude is floating invisible man with two eyepatches
quiet rose
Good job shillbot
fossil oriole
He's always so enthusiastic
gleaming grotto
winged otter
go away
gleaming grotto
:0
jaunty meteor
Will dusk support demo recording/playback?
mild ginkgo
no promises, but there has been talk about it internally
crimson folio
all you gotta do is throw it
rigid frigate
then I guess i haven't been able to hit anything with it
atomic egret
u dum
atomic egret
not like no more room in hell is a party based game or anything
crimson folio
wrong channel
my bad
also, don't do that smug condensending thing
that's my thing
jaunty meteor
Wait NO MORE ROOM IN HELL??
Oh man, wish I could've got in on that
I love that game
quiet rose
quiet rose
Good job Shillbot
broken hornet
shillbot finally mindbroke me
indigo dock
Guys, you're all wrong. I found the real identity of Duskdude.
Here he is in all of his glory. You can thank me later for the leak.
graceful wing
wow
obsidian hazel
dusk dude is the invisible man
limber pier
Dusk dude is a floating bar of soap
hollow flame
Dusk dude is secretly masterchief
fossil oriole
Dave said, "There was never a name for the DUSK dude because it's supposed to be YOU."
indigo dock
Duskdude is actually the weapons held by the brainwashed protagonist, who is merely the vesel in which Duskdude uses to traverse the game. He is an etheral entity who takes the form of multiple weapons, and a cigar, hellbent on destroying the evil-ness of the world.
Or something...
echo spear
Send duskdude to Florida. Irma needs some... Idk. Dusking?
prisma kestrel
it's the pope!
fossil slate
Good One
gleaming grotto
Shillbot, why are you so flippant yet desirable?
broken hornet
worked on me
quiet rose
Its on twitter. But good luck going through 10k something photos he has up
crimson folio
every other dave tweet is a photo
broken hornet
Fug cant believe how fun this game was vs my expectations
glacial charm
That's a younger Dave?
atomic egret
yes
crimson folio
Is this dusk dude the same as the dead guy by the gate?
jade root
Nah
crimson folio
that dude by the gate is a super secret EP2 enemy
woeful sonnet
The texture work on that guy..... Well it needs some work
crimson folio
how dare you say that
woeful sonnet
Its ugly
limber pier
I really hope he is an enemy in the full game
quiet rose
Take a looksee here @limber pier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsu9uDMlIMM
Hes in there
quiet rose
Somewhere around the 23 second mark
limber pier
These guys look neato
twilit cradle
spoopy
quiet rose
limber pier
Duskmare
rose snow
so whats it gonna take for @urban sparrow to release the ep1 endless music
becaause i need a clean version of it for listening purposes
limber pier
^^^^^^^^^^^
graceful wing
soon
limber pier
GET ON THAT SHIT
crystal vessel
Be patient
limber pier
Hand cannon can only satisfy me for so long
thorn trout
If you have specific feedback about how textures/models could be improved suggestions are welcome. "It's ugly" is not particularly actionable. Especially since much of dusk is supposed to look ugly and deteriorated.
crimson folio
^
thorn trout
Critique is fine but when it involves art I usually need more specifics since it's not my area of expertise.
twilit cradle
hey jefe i forgot to tell that dusk is amazing and thanks for making this game and i didnt even know that i needed a game like this in my life
thorn trout
👍thanks!
crimson folio
best song thats actually in the game and not needed to be ripped rn is endless rn
or endless v2?
twilit cradle
yeah endless is fantastic
crimson folio
whatever
ornate imp
hey all, I'm sure this has been asked a million times, but will DUSK have custom map/mod support?
quiet rose
!dawninfo
.dawninfo
fuck
== DUSK & DUSK SDK (DAWN) INFORMATION DUMP ==
- Dusk is developed entirely in Unity, although you could easily mistake it for the Quake engine.
- TrenchBroom is the "officially" supported mapping tool, but that doesn't mean others won't receive support or testing.
- Custom scripting (enemies, weapons, game modes, etc) will be ready long before custom levels will be, and will likely have some form of public testing phase.
- The SDK will contain various tools to aid with mod creation, but none are necessary if you enjoy developing raw (maps and shaders are exempt from this).
- Scripting involves a custom definition language along with Lua for behaviour control, and potentially Squirrel as an alternative option down the line.
- Custom levels are currently in the form of asset bundles, which a BSP must be converted to within Unity. There are technical reasons behind this, but there are plans to remove this limitation and allow loading BSPs directly.
- The official game data formats are IQM (models), PNG (textures), flac (audio), however they are not the only ones you can use.
- You are able to load Quake 3 MD3 models, and potentially Quake 1 MDL models down the line. However, this feature is not officially supported, so don't expect it to be flawless.
- Yes, there will be a console. Yes, mods can make use of it.
- An .fgd and a .wad will be provided for use in Quake mapping tools.
crimson folio
actually, you forgot the super cool code format
quiet rose
I didn't copy paste the one with the code format. So no, i did not.
ornate imp
Amazing, thanks @quiet rose
quiet rose
No problem 👍
ornate imp
Wow, after reading that, I'm so fucking pumped to make levels
graceful wing
there's no command for that. read the documentation !!! @quiet rose
quiet rose
Wasnt there?
prisma ivy
I thought that there used to be, actually
graceful wing
never
summer otter
I dig the improved mortar, I think it already looked pretty neat but its looking good now for sure. the one thing I think could be adjusted would be pickups in MP, the little shells and purple potions are not easily readable for me compared to something like the bright and clean open arena pickups
they don't even need to be colorful, or highly stylized, they look fine in plain White too
quiet rose
Is that an image from CPMA?
summer otter
google says Open Arena?
quiet rose
Those were the same pickups for QuakeWorld champs
summer otter
not yet, I just like watching the video unmutual posted up
quiet rose
Id give it a shot once its out first 👍
summer otter
oh for sure, you know how teeny those purple potions r though, I just thought it b nice if their hitbox was more generous, not so specific
lol y did unmutual pin my fuck my wife comment
I'll never live this down
hexed roost
I'
i did that
Having said that, I try not to put the little purple things in MP maps for two reasons
a. they're tiny as heck
b. they're kinda useless
mild ginkgo
^
mild ginkgo
and yes, pickup hitboxes have been discussed and will likely recieve an increase
hexed roost
i know i stuck some coins on the power lines in the ghost town MP conversion lol
mild ginkgo
theres some on fusillade i think
hexed roost
that's right, they lead to the diamonds
mild ginkgo
yepo
hexed roost
either way, pickup sizes have been talked about and that's probably next on our list of changes to incorporate
good that you brought it up
summer otter
nice nice, thats all I had to say basically, I wanted to throw down something constructive instead of a shower of hurt and pain and squealy whines
I can't abide by people making dave feel bad
woeful sonnet
@thorn trout for starters theres a heavy lack of detail texture wise on the whole far less than most other enemy types. With his legs it looks like you uv unwrapped him on a black texture plane proceeded to paint but never finished his legs leaving these hideous black streaks down them. His mask doesn't look very solid giving it a more fabric than metalic feel and really it just needs more it feels unfinished like you got the basic colors down and stopped there not doing anything else. Compared to alot of the other models he feels texture wise unfinished and also his legs and feet are horrendously blocky you can get more poly's the bigger an object is and judging by how thick his legs are he really needs them.