If Dave ever gets his shot together
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
mild ginkgo
crimson folio
DUSK KEYCHAINS?
crimson folio
oh neat-o
SHIP THAT SHIT HERE
if you do ill pay you for it
I'LL PAY YOU FOR THAT
Merch Soon™?
SOON™
fair mirage
duks
graceful wing
🦆
crimson folio
space jam 2 dusk edition
glad mesa
You guys should make a beautiful tropical level :)
crimson folio
i'm still pushing for the soccer level
glad mesa
Something to break apart the living hell that a lot of the levels I assume will be like, it looks scary to be the Duskman
mild ginkgo
Meatlass soccer already exists
glad mesa
Does the character have a name e.g doom guy? I really like duskman :)
jade root
or the dusketeer
mild ginkgo
crimson folio
duskman
dusty trenchbroom
dirty brown
dong dang
wouldnt that be duskball
dusknaut
duskonaut
san-dusky
glad mesa
So if I remember, there will be a story to Dusk? Any details, or do we have to wait till the release?
prisma ivy
Soon™
young vine
how about player1
graceful wing
yea no comment on story yet
crimson folio
your a dude on a mission
glad mesa
Okay, I didn't think so, but always worth an ask
young vine
or average joe
haughty sundial
VERY WRONG
fair mirage
stuff happened and now you have to kill everything
crimson folio
The plot of Dusk is: there is a problem
crimson folio
🤐
mild ginkgo
he was meming
crimson folio
True.
graceful wing
big memes
graceful wing
won't be a meme for much longer tho
tawny briar
mmmmm
crimson folio
Here is another meme: SOON™ hahahaha
quiet rose
Go away
tawny briar
steev what u got there
graceful wing
i make the soon ™ meme atleast a dozen times a day
sullen carbon
Every time the "dusk when" bell rings a mod says "soon tm" and gets his wings
tawny briar
well ep1 is coming before quake con
quiet rose
Unconfirmed*
tawny briar
quiet rose
Nice photoshop
tawny briar
what no
quiet rose
Im joking around geez
sullen carbon
Ha
gleaming grotto
You forgot the most important part of that interaction
graceful wing
christ steev
gleaming grotto
gleaming grotto
We can't forget that watershed moment
tawny briar
true
graceful wing
well it's here too now
tawny briar
put it in rules
graceful wing
deal with it 😎
quiet rose
Oh shit, yea its there too
graceful wing
told ya
tawny briar
dame
gleaming grotto
I posted lots of annie-may
graceful wing
that's no good
quiet rose
Banned.
graceful wing
🔨 ime
gleaming grotto
Banime
quiet rose
graceful wing
anyways let's chill with the meems on here
crimson folio
When Dusk comes out
I am going to play it
mild ginkgo
woah what a hot take
graceful wing
sounds like a plan man
restive sail
Just take my money already
glad mesa
Hey, do you guys have any ideas about how long the Single-player will be? I understand there will be 33 levels, do you guys know how long the average player will complete an episode?
mild ginkgo
lets do some mathj
graceful wing
depends a lot on the type of player you are
mild ginkgo
assume you take maybe 15 minutes to explore a level
thats about 2.5 hours an episode
granted, it depends on how much you explore
you could take 30+ minutes on a level looking around if you wanted
or you could speed run it in 2 minutes
glad mesa
I dunno, I wasn't sure how much playtesting you guy had done and if you kept track of the average time. Guess it is a bit of a silly question.
mild ginkgo
theres been a LOT of testing
glad mesa
I enjoy exploring, but I'm not a completionist.
mild ginkgo
yeah so a safe assumption is 15 minutes a level
traditional retrofps times
2-3 hours probably for you
glad mesa
Okay, thanks a bunch, as much as I want this game, I don't know a whole lot about the development and how much time is being spent on each stage
In relation to each other
But that sounds like a rather nice time, not too short, not too long
rose snow
did anyone else see a sub alert from gggman for a disk ep1 review
only for it to be taken down
haughty sundial
JUST WATCHED IT !
rose snow
its down now
past linden
Shit, we're close then
rose snow
do we have some leaks™?
toxic wadi
i also watched it
haughty sundial
not fer me
past linden
Link?
rose snow
past linden
HYPE!!!
haughty sundial
MORE HYPE
past linden
The fire speed boost looks amazing!
quiet rose
"team of 3 guys" 
gleaming berry
I told him we had an awesome QA team don't blame me!
toxic wadi
past linden
Wait, were the rats announced before?
quiet rose
Im sure ive mentioned them once or twice
quiet rose
Yes, he does
exotic ibex
yes
quiet rose
Hes praising it
past linden
I have a feeling i'll hate the rats too
So i'm guessing Ep 1 will be out tomorrow?
(I'm also guessing you won't be allowed to say yes or no)
quiet rose
No lol
gleaming berry
Does he say I have nice hair and jacked arms?
past linden
yes
gleaming berry
Yussss
rose snow
yeah he likes it
but i may ask tho
@gleaming berry bby, does this mean ep1 is coming out soon™?
quiet rose
Yes
We've said this several times
It's coming soon
Sooner than you think
Youll wake up one day and go "oh wow, dusk is out"
past linden
I'm noticing a return of a lot of ideas (and some locations) from the alpha level so that's rad
Also to be fair you've said soon for quite some time now
hexed roost
this time we mean it
rose snow
only complaint he has is that it's too easy to him
past linden
I mean, it's only my favorite thing in the world
jade root
the new CM scared the shit out of me when i first played it
quiet rose
Same
sullen carbon
No longer easy to kite?
haughty sundial
Can someone tell me what cm means?
quiet rose
Ciero Meido
haughty sundial
oh ok
quiet rose
"No Fear"
rose snow
basically the games version of ultraviolence
quiet rose
Yup
crimson folio
Do you guys hire beta testers?
haughty sundial
well i hope the difficulty will be adjusted so were not blazing thru levels
crimson folio
Id be happy to participate
quiet rose
We have a QA team already
jade root
^
quiet rose
We got this 👌
crimson folio
QA team?
past linden
Also the crossbow+fire-speed-increase is insane, i love it
quiet rose
Quality Assurance.
jade root
Quality Assurance Team
rose snow
im hyped for dusk
quiet rose
^^^^
jade root
maybe later down the road when NB is publishing its first mmo
crimson folio
Alright
quiet rose
Avainworld 2
quiet rose
We got it. Don't worry 💪
crimson folio
I just love classic fps
gleaming berry
OH GOD HE PLAYS WITH BLOOM ON
past linden
And like 4FOV
jade root
i can just feel in the input lag
sly cedar
do you guys ever get bored of testing Dusk? Not trying to sound ANGERY just wondering
jade root
nah
jade root
all of us knew what we were signing up for
covert raptor
Is this true?
quiet rose
No.
jade root
plus its not just Dusk we QA for
jade root
we QA all of NB's games
sly cedar
I didnt think of that actually. Is any other of the NB games worth checking out? I havent looked into any of the other ones
mild ginkgo
dont forget [REDACTED]
sly cedar
ill have to check em out. they seem like a top quality meme
crimson folio
^
quiet rose
@dawn marlin No fake keys.
sullen carbon
I notice the pistols fire faster
dawn marlin
sorry was mean
sullen carbon
Which is surprising because I could have sworn David said he liked the slower fire rate on the pistols
crimson folio
Where do the MEYMEYZ go?
quiet rose
opal plover
I'm pretty sure he was just using the superspeed poweruup
thorn trout
@sullen carbon a lot of the footage shows the fast fire powerup, which doubles fire speed of all weapons for a short amount of time
sullen carbon
Oh shit! Powerups!
opal plover
hell yeah
sullen carbon
How do the differences in difficulties work, exactly, aside from one hit death mode? Just more enemies thrown at you, or increased damage and health on enemies?
mild ginkgo
increased movespeed,projectile speed, damage, NOT ENEMY HEALTH, and i believe armor mitigation %
@thorn trout would know the specifics
spiral heath
Is armor still called Morale?
quiet rose
Yup
serene needle
bro dusk looks great
spiral heath
Why is it called that if i can ask? Just to sound different?
prisma halo
because it's not Dawn
sly cedar
Its set in Dusk
fossil slate
Will the addon be Dark?
sly cedar
Twilight actually
fossil slate
Ahhhh
glad mesa
I remember seeing in trailers the player going upside down and doing a bunch of flippy fun stuff, but I don't see much of it in game play I look at. Is it like things such as rocket jumping and bunny hopping in other games where you have to master it, or how exactly does it work?
sullen carbon
Zombie, I think Ultinate was referring to morale, not Dusk, unless I am mistaken
Wasn't a big fan of the term morale at first but it's certainly grown on me big time
mild ginkgo
@glad mesa its there, and you can do it, but you simply dont really have to use it
prisma halo
don't ruin my joke :(
opal plover
While in midair you can flip around and there are quite a lot of jump pads in levels
sly cedar
the Y axis is totally unlocked so you can literally flip
glad mesa
Okay, thanks 500
thorn trout
@glad mesa verticality increases in ep2 and into ep3 as well
opal plover
Oh that sounds interesting
sacred sable
That is good to hear.
opal plover
Good way to change the whole gameplay with only one small change
sly cedar
so ep2 is set in a military/science Black Mesa-esqe area. Where is ep3 set?
opal plover
Hell
crimson folio
moms basement
opal plover
Hell and beyond
sacred sable
Always gotta visit Hell.
mild ginkgo
well the Y axis IS unlocked, unlike chasm
but thats a mainstay of videogames these days
opal plover
And you're gonna make the bastards regret ever meeting you
spiral heath
the Elder world
sly cedar
H E C K Y E S A M I G O S
glad mesa
Well, too many games don't utilize verticality enough, I'm excited now
opal plover
With two barrels, twelve gauge and no subtitues
sacred sable
No games have really allowed that sort of verticle unless it was a flying game or Descent.
jade root
There's a reason for morale and I'm 99% sure David has never shared the reason why and I'm not sure I allowed to mention said reason
sly cedar
no minecraft dude. you can build straight up
opal plover
Are you slowly sinking into insanity in game or is it just to sound cool
sly cedar
but does dusk have any nods toward fingerbones????
jade root
Yes the game is about bad things happening to children
opal plover
Well fingerbones is metal as fuck tho
thorn trout
it's morale because you're picking up gold and diamonds and stuff which makes your character feel better about the whole situation, and the sheer power of their positive thinking makes them able to take more hits
jade root
- Duskdude is a treasure hunter
sacred sable
The power of positivity.
thorn trout
@jade root yeah that too
although it's never really talked about in the game
MAYBE IN THE README
:O
sacred sable
Is it Duskdude officially?
thorn trout
true oldschool style
jade root
I've only heard you mention it once
sacred sable
Yea, story in a .txt.
opal plover
"the story so far"
jade root
Yeah the official name is duskdude
sacred sable
Cool
jade root
At least that's what we are rolling with
sacred sable
Nice
spiral heath
Diamonds may not make a good kevlar but Positivity will
jade root
He can be whatever you want him to be
glad mesa
I feel like I've seen the question answered somewhere before, but I can't remember: Will there be a coop mode? Not that any of my friends are into this game and would play the game coop with me.
jade root
He doesn't have hands so 
sacred sable
Dusk McGurk.
jade root
Sniped
opal plover
Kurt russel as DuskDude
jade root
Just like I sniped a dude in dusk with the hunting rifle
glad mesa
Tanks a bunch, time to hunt for some new friends
jade root
Preorder now
verbal sand
its not available
sacred sable
I can't wait to play, I've had to subsist myself on GGGMan and other videos.
glad mesa
Let me pre-order
thorn trout
not preorder now silly boi
jade root
Sounds like a you issue
spiral heath
Will dopefish make an appearance or not?
sacred sable
What @glad mesa says.
sacred sable
Classic $5 shareware.
thorn trout
Dopefish is in there ya
sacred sable
That is how I played EP1 of Doom, was from seeing it at the checkout counter of Babbage's in my local mall.
glad mesa
I actually never played the original doom
sacred sable
@glad mesa WTF?
sacred sable
@glad mesa You can play them now.
glad mesa
Although I'm not gonna lie, I'm a degenerate who likes brutal doom
sacred sable
Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed both. Though CoD not since 2007.
I love Brutal Doom, he put in a ton of work and its fun smashing faces.
I'ts fun as hell in co-op.
glad mesa
Again, I lack the friends with interest in games like it
sacred sable
That sucks.
glad mesa
But damn shooting an imp and watching it burst into bloody guts is satisfying anytime
sacred sable
Or shooting it and its crying on the ground, then booting its face in is good clean fun.
glad mesa
Definitely
sacred sable
Then flipping it off.
glad mesa
But it sucks when a bunch of monsters clump around and the imp just dies before you can kick its face off
sacred sable
Yea, then its nade time.
glad mesa
Not gonna lie, I load up brutal doom, give myself God mode and infinite ammo, then go insane
sacred sable
Nothing wrong with that at all.
glad mesa
Such beautiful chaos
Oh, yeah, I guess it would
@crimson folio are you like a pseudo mod?
crimson folio
nah
prisma halo
he's just the ringmaster
crimson folio
it's just something to help every once in a while. I guess I like to save the mods some trouble
glad mesa
That seems to make you more responsible than a few mods of different servers than this I know :D
God, I am so excited for duskworld. I played through the quake 1 campaign, but since I jumped onto it so late, I never really got to experience the multi-player action, the servers were mostly empty and not the best. I know there are some more modern retro arena type shooters, but Dusk is looking like it'll be the best, or at least my favorite.
spiral heath
Oh nice GGGman's review is up
crimson folio
Duskworld will be great!
glad mesa
The gunplay just looks so fun, the guns have that retro almost clacky sound and animation that I find really satisfying :D
sly cedar
roasted by mods
quiet rose
Backseat modding? Thats a banning
sullen carbon
Do your job then nerd
crimson folio
sorry
jade root
Nah your good
crimson folio
oh
crimson folio
ah
jade root
You doing that is a-okay and the mods greatly appreciate it
crimson folio
oh, thx
spiral heath
Will the DUSK ost be available to purchase as when it's all done?
jade root
ye
glad mesa
Ooh yay
jade root
Soon™
haughty sundial
i did too
crimson folio
Why does the game footage look like Darkplaces now?
jade root
itll be out before QCon
crimson folio
the WinQuake look was perfect
jade root
its always looked like that
crimson folio
Has it? Maybe I'm misremembering
crimson folio
it looks too good
glad mesa
If I've been paying proper attention, you can choose pseudo different visual styles and effects, correct?
crimson folio
that's good then
crimson folio
i want mah dos quake look
jade root
more than youll ever need
crimson folio
@slate salmon hi
glad mesa
So close yet so far!
crimson folio
tight
mild ginkgo
if you want it to look like GlQuake or WinQuake, the option is there
if you prefer blurry garbage max settings darkplaces
crimson folio
Honeslty I think Darkplaces is too revisionist
mild ginkgo
you can do that too
torpid beacon
Gggmanlives review is up :p
crimson folio
I mean it's no Brutal Doom but it tries too hard imo
glad mesa
I swear, you guys seem to be putting in more effort than some AAA devs with a fraction of the budget and workers
mild ginkgo
@thorn trout is an AMAZING human, he really poured some INSANE detail into dusk
he covered nearly everything a fan would want
crimson folio
El Jefe
mild ginkgo
probably because hes a fan himself
crimson folio
will it be highly moddable
mild ginkgo
and i think thats what makes him different from a lot of devs
glad mesa
+10 love @thorn trout for being amazing developer
crimson folio
my namme jefe
mild ginkgo
dusk will have a modding SDK called Dawn, which will be basically a modders wet dream
by my estimation, perhaps the best modding experience of any game ever
crimson folio
So the shareware episode will be released before qcon?
crimson folio
no demo?
mild ginkgo
its costs you a preorder to get
crimson folio
rip game demos
glad mesa
Like holy hell, this looks so high quality I could probably fool my friends who don't know about it right now into thinking it was from the late 90's
crimson folio
gotta put it in 4:3 though
thorn trout
👍
spiral heath
Jefe will the be a BLOOD easter egg?
glad mesa
Well, I'm on a Toshiba satellite and my max resolution is, 1366x768, trash garbage
Can't wait to build my first pc
glad mesa
Yeah, I'm like full and a quarter hd
crimson folio
Dusk Full HD 480p
can i buy the soundtrack to dusk on cassette tape? my car stereo only plays cassettes, no cds
jade root
thats pretty fucking niche
covert raptor
Oh yeah will the soundtrack be a separate download?
jade root
ye
crimson folio
c a s s e t t e
covert raptor
n u t
crisp orbit
@crimson folio it needs to be on vinal
crimson folio
as someone who's actually been involved with doing physical releases on music, getting stuff on vinyl is a million times harder than cassette or CD
like it's kind of absurd how much work you have to do to get in contact with a pressing plant
sullen carbon
Yeah but vinyl is worth it, casette is a drop in quality for something that's almost more aesthetic/nostalgic than anything, not that #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk is the place for this kind of discussion, probably better in #music
thorn trout
There aren't actually that many overt references planned to other FPS. Mostly subtle influences. Dusk is supposed to be its own game more than a collection of references.
but that said... influences from classic FPS are all over in the design and levels
distant sparrow
@thorn trout @urban sparrow Congratulations on getting a good review from Gggmanlives! He was actually where I found out about the game and this discord. Seeing him give a good follow up review has reinvigorated my intrest in the game and I can tell you that I will definatly get it for myself at launch. Keep up the good work!
slate elk
I wanna give the money
fair mirage
wuhwuh wait there's a review out
torpid beacon
Yes
fair mirage
that means soon is getting soon... er...
torpid beacon
Check it out duskbro
slate elk
i just got a job and i need something to spend my yet to be earned money on
distant sparrow
@fair mirage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0V82PhiDDw
torpid beacon
I love how it's nostalgic and new at the same time
thorn trout
one might assume that only idiots wouldn't plan on following up press coverage with something of some sort, to capitalize on interest, after all ;)
glad mesa
I'm saving up to buy a PC, but I can set myself back a 20 for this definitely
slate elk
i love the subtle jab at strafe in that review
urban sparrow
Thanks! @distant sparrow
slate edge
Hype is at maximum overdrive
covert raptor
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
naive oar
Something tells me episode 1 of Dusk is coming out soon. Or something.
Don't quote me on that, I'm just getting this feel.
crisp orbit
Sooon
naive oar
Yeah, no, I can definitely feel the soonness right now.
glad mesa
Will it be soon™? Really hope so
slate elk
tomorrow?
naive oar
I'm guessing, but, imagine what soon really means, and then make it sooner than that and you're real close.
naive oar
When is Qcon?
glad mesa
24th
naive oar
See, you missed a good oppertunity there to just reply with "Soon."
spiral heath
I come from the future to tell you DUSK comes out soon-ish
sly cedar
it came out yesterday
crimson folio
this soon thing is kinda bs if there's a date set for less than 2 weeks from now tbh
gleaming berry
There's a date? Where lol
glad mesa
Sometime before qcon which is August 24th
naive oar
That's right. That's what you guys have done to us. We now consider open intervals as scalars. "Soon" isn't a word. It's a state of mind. It's a going over and a going under. We are the ubermen of Dusk.
sly cedar
dave take me
kind cobalt
jefe you magnificent hot piece of video gaming ass you
its beautiful
yes im flirting with you, big deal
thorn trout
❤
kind cobalt
I-ITS NOT LIKE I'M PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED TO DUSK OR A-ANYTHING
slate elk
is there a set price yet?
naive oar
There is a set price. It is (0, 60) dollars.
kind cobalt
"60" laughs in old FPS
hexed roost
It's 20
kind cobalt
i'm gonna try to get our server host cluster which hosts old DOOM for Zandronum to host DUSK servers whenever that's a thing
👍 👍
thorn trout
yeah $20
naive oar
I'll give you 30 if you throw in a super-duper-gore-pack with insano blood pool expansion.
atomic egret
Why pay $30 when Sargent dickhead V will try to mod it in for free
naive oar
I want so many chunks that Unity hitches and finally crashes when the GC spins up.
We're talking about irresponsible amounts of gibs.
Illegal amounts.
naive oar
I'm mostly kidding anyway. The gore looks good to me.
Now a microtransaction that adds Duke one-liners ...
covert raptor
mods
modern trellis
HOLY SHIT. EP1 REVIEW HOLY SHIT
naive oar
They gave it 10/10 cultists.
modern trellis
Am watching now.
hexed roost
:]
naive oar
Also, maybe super weird comment, I don't know what possessed you to have a slide in this game, but I can't live without slides in games anymore so thanks.
sullen carbon
Might have to try my hand at modding dusk dude into dusk girl
hexed roost
already done for you, because there's no model lol
all you'd have to do is change the "hup" sounds
modern trellis
That was a great review. He liked it a lot.
Why is everyone not on here freaking out?
naive oar
So is modding something that this game and its developers are supportive of? And I mean that in a general sense, of course, but maybe also in a more direct sense -- a level editor, that kind of thing, in their plans?
hexed roost
We're literally making an SDK for the game
And by we, I mean @prisma halo
Already been showing people what level editing tools they can use to start making maps for the game before it comes out
naive oar
Oh, that's really interesting. So with the SDK, will you be able to write C# for it, or some kind of scripting code, to be executed alongside whatever you make?
valid fulcrum
New to these forums but just had to pop in after watching gggmanlives review and say I couldn't be more excited for this game if I tried oh wait there's a sword in it I lied
naive oar
Welcome, Aj
woeful sonnet
So @thorn trout I saw the recent gggmanlives video and feel compelled to ask if the ultra violence difficulty equivalent is going to be made any harder, I mostly ask this because I really am hoping the game is a legitimate challenge without having to resort to the sadism of duskmare
hexed roost
I'm not a big coder, but iirc the entire SDK is done in C#
So you should be able to mod in C# as well
@woeful sonnet We've already made changes to CM (UV), I think you're going to find it a tad harder now
Imagine guys with chainsaws amped up on meth trying to chase you down
prisma halo
The SDK is written in C#, but you don't mod in C#
woeful sonnet
Ok
hexed roost
Ok good he's here, save me from embarrassing myself
prisma halo
I briefly considered going that route but it's too unsafe
atomic egret
what do you mod in then?
prisma halo
you can incredibly easily make malicious mods when you use C# assemblies for game code
valid fulcrum
Meth chainsaws you say looks like I can live my dream of living in Detroit
prisma halo
Currently it's a mixture of custom formats (a la ZDoom MAPINFO and friends) and Lua
with a Squirrel target also planned down the line
It's constantly evolving though, so nothing I say is set in stone until release
naive oar
Hmm, I don't know Lua. If I know C++ / C#, not hard to pick up?
prisma halo
It shouldn't be hard to pick up, yeah
It's a very easy language to learn
If you prefer C++/C# syntax though, you may be more interested in the Squirrel target
naive oar
That's great that you're doing an SDK for the game, though. I wonder, was it difficult to build something that would interact nicely with the way Unity lays out levels and the like?
prisma halo
Yes and no
Compromises had to be made, unfortunately, but they won't affect what you can do
just how you do them
naive oar
Will you need testers / qa people who have some experience with Unity / editors / programming in the future to help contribute documentation or anything like that for the editor? Probably already have a bunch.
prisma halo
It's likely that small sections of the SDK will be made public some time after episode 1's release, in the form of a patch
for the purpose of testing on a wider scale
Most likely the scripting portion, rather than mapping
naive oar
Excellent, sounds great!
prisma halo
Currently scripting works like this:
entity monster_mage
{
health 180
speed 2
// etc.
model "models/monsters/mage.iqm"
skin "textures/monsters/mage.png"
script "scripts/ai_mage.lua"
events
{
spawn "OnSpawn"
tick "OnTick"
}
}```this defines an entity called monster_mage, with all the properties listed there
the events block allows you to subscribe Lua functions to various game events
naive oar
Very clean.
prisma halo
the Lua script would look something like this:
function OnSpawn(entity)
-- stuff to do when the entity spawns
end
function OnTick(entity)
-- stuff to do when the entity updates
end
Lua whitespace controlled, or more like Ruby?
prisma halo
the Squirrel version would be the same, except with more C-like syntax (braces, { })
Whitespace has no syntactic value in Lua
So Ruby
naive oar
ah, okay. Certainly preferable imo.
prisma halo
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Python for that reason
naive oar
I've made... horrible mistakes. But yeah, that looks great, very clean, easy to use. For the OnTick, do you have or need access to time differentials there, or exposed globally?
prisma halo
The difference between each call to OnTick is always the same
One "tick", which is 1/50 of a second
naive oar
That works.
prisma halo
It's similar to Doom, where Tick() is called every 35th of a second
naive oar
I've never modded older games, tbh. Only experience is unity and UE4, which I'm learning now. My C++ is fine, but UE is... it's overwhelming.
prisma halo
Ah, I see
naive oar
I spent a few hours today rigging up a recursive visual data structure with Actors in UE, and just some of the simple things made me growl impatiently. Like, the way you set up your material bindings there is very clean in comparison to loading a mesh in UE lol.
Nature of the beast, though.
So do you pipe a lot of the Unity events to Lua then. Things like collisions, and the sort?
Giving sort of simplified versions of those events, I mean.
prisma halo
Yeah, but only if they've been subscribed
(events can be subscribed to at runtime as well)
naive oar
Is there a lot of additional expense to subscribing? I know in Unity you're opted in to a lot of things that you sometimes don't even need.
prisma halo
Only the expense that comes with the event you're subscribing to
naive oar
Sounds pretty complicated. You must have a lot of experience with this kind of thing.
naive oar
I wonder how changes in the next Unity version might change some things for the better, assuming the entire game gets rebuilt for that. I read they are removing UnityScript, adding a Job system for multithreading and giving cleaner access to object lifetimes. But that could be a big jump.
naive oar
I guess they determined that a very, very small portion of Unity developers are using their custom JS, and they want to drop the support there because it's holding them back.
naive oar
Yeah, couldn't blame them at all. Especially since they are starting to lose feature parity there.
Do you have any screenshots or things for your work Zombie? I'd love to check it out. Like a shot of the editor, that kind of thing.
It's fine if that's super secret though.
prisma halo
I don't have any screenshots I could really show off at the moment
plus I'm not home, so I couldn't take one anyway
naive oar
Oh, no problem! Honestly, just hearing about it from you is enough, it all sounds amazing.
prisma halo
there's a video of an early version of the console, the blood tommygun, and a hilarious bug I encountered
yeah
prisma halo
kek
naive oar
My hype levels were already high, but then Zombie started talking about his work and now we are critical levels of hype.
mild ginkgo
hah
yeah dude his work is actually really inspiring
youll see and hear much more about it in the future
naive oar
I'll absolutely be looking for it.
mild ginkgo
the source is soooooo clean
quiet rose
20 years from now.... some dude will post something on a VR forum talking about DAZOMBIEKILLA
mortal socket
SOOOOOOOON(tm)
bitter rune
Is dusk gonna have a level editor?
bitter rune
nice
bitter rune
^ same
limber owl
Is there any way to get a demo to dusk?
echo spear
Key I think
limber owl
?
echo spear
Steam key
limber owl
Where can I get one?
bitter rune
beg
echo spear
I believe the mods occationally post them
Good luck actually getting it in time though
atomic egret
not really anymore
echo spear
Ah
atomic egret
have to show up to movie night pretty much
crystal vessel
Your best chance to get one is a movie night
Second saturday of every month
You can find info on that in #info
I think so at least
limber owl
Thanks
hexed roost
They're given out during movie nights and sometimes dropped at random
But you'll be able to pre-order and play instantly very soon...
echo spear
Weeks soon or months soon or top secret soon?
echo spear
Remind me when that is?
crystal vessel
Quakecon is on the 24th
viral gate
S O O N
hexed roost
like REAL SOON
mortal socket
(tm)
dreamy snow
holy shit I just saw gggmans vid on ep 1
I haven't seen it yet, I mean that I saw that he uploaded, I dont know if I wanna watch it and savour it all for when I can pre purchase ep 1 :o (For the longest time I haven't been watching dusk videos because I dont want to ruin the experience)
fuck it , i couldn't help myself and did exactly what I told myself not to do lol
mortal socket
Totally up to you, lol. There are a couple of new enemy types shown in that video (that I hadn't seen before, anyway), and some of the episode 1 layouts are there... If you wanna go in blind--
Oh
Well, that's just dandy :p
dreamy snow
I mean, the only other gameplay I saw of DUSK was davids demo of before alpha dusk and the DUSK demo at PAX
hexed roost
There are some SCARY enemies you'll face in EP2 holy cow
dreamy snow
Looking forward to it!!
mortal socket
SCARY(tm)?
dreamy snow
after that gggman vid, my levels for dusk hype have peaked !
mortal socket
There's been discussion of... Just that
I, tbh, would not be against HDusk
Jus' sayin'
Cough
hexed roost
dreamy snow
weather we like it or not
mortal socket
An official add-on
Provided free of charge, of course
For all of your... Lonely dusks
dreamy snow
Cough "Extra content" wink wink nudge nudge
glad mesa
For anyone who's played Dusk, what's your favorite weapon?
vague egret
Tie between mortar and super shotty
atomic egret
crossbow
glad mesa
Haven't played it, but from the footage, either the super shotty or the dual wielded shotguns may be my favorite when I get my hands on a copy
tawny briar
and less for ep1
glad mesa
So ready for this
graceful wing
ep1 sometime before Qcon
dreamy snow
inb4 1day before qcon ;)
jade root
Crossbow best weapon
glad mesa
OMG JUST TAKE MY TWENTY BUCKS AND SEND ME A KEY
dreamy snow
^
this guy has the right idea
but unfortunately soon
possibly without the TM
who am i kidding
glad mesa
Soon™ is so close it hurts
sly cedar
wait so before Qcon ep1 is going on sale for 20 dollars. then what. would you need to buy the game again?
glad mesa
No
sly cedar
oh thats pretty cool actually. hope i wont get burnt out on the game before the other 2 episodes come out
i dont think i will though
dreamy snow
ep 2 and 3 are gonna be completely insane apparently, jab can elaborate more i guess
jade root
Ep2 is military bases and some fucked up locales, Ep3 is complete Cthulhu insanity land
Lotta variety
sly cedar
are yall still shooting for a 2017 release for the whole game?
jade root
Yep
Now that we have a QA team and some dedicated dudes for DuskWorld, the 2017 release is 100% on track
Don't ask us for a time frame though
glad mesa
I'm calling that the release is gonna be like December 30th, so it's still a 2017 release :D
sly cedar
Id rather wait for a really good game anyway lol. Strafe was delayed and it was disapointed IMO
glad mesa
Yeah, I'm just messing around, I'm totally up with waiting for this, it looks good enough to take as much time as it needs
glad mesa
Among the community, but if I said something to a friend, they would be like, "Huh? What's a dusk?"
glad mesa
I wish, but I'm afraid many of my friends wouldn't be into it
dreamy snow
BELIEVE ME THATS WHAT I HAVE DONE BUT THEY ARE IGNORANT COD FAN BOYS WHO THINK GRAPHICS = GOOD GAME :(
glad mesa
^
vague egret
Spam that trailer. Tell them to watch quakecon stuff
glad mesa
Well, not cod fanboys, but they kinda suck
dreamy snow
not literal cod fan boys but they just have formed a bias against dusk because of the style
glad mesa
Well, I do have a friend who might be into it
dreamy snow
that's why im in this discord!!!!! so i can find fun people who like fun games!!!!!!!
glad mesa
How shall I spread the word of the Church of Dusk?
I have sent a link to the trailer to my friend who may be convinced
sly cedar
yeah i was talking about how im in this server and they are like "WTF IS DUSK DUDE??"
dreamy snow
^
dreamy snow
they dont like good things.
dreamy snow
they are stuck in their own ways, they are ignorant and will continue to play Overwatch
crimson folio
why are they your friends then, loser?
all of my friends are cool and they will love dusk
steel mirage
dreamy snow
I wish it was as simple as that Avain
crimson folio
it is
you're just a beta male
meanwhile in ALPHATOWN we will have dusk LAN parties
dreamy snow
you in the US or elsewhere fried kooch
crimson folio
i'm my own nationstate
quiet rose
crimson folio
anyway, i'm still curious about how custom levels are gonna work
i think jab and zombie touched on it a little bit
unity asset packages or something like that?
graceful wing
can't really talk about the modding capabilities yet
those features need some more time in the dusk oven
quiet rose
You pretty much have to wait for full release for more info about that
Or at least much further down the line
mild ginkgo
so, the current easiest plan is unity asset bundles
crimson folio
i forget it's all prelim
mild ginkgo
however
crimson folio
sorry, i'm just super fucking excited and curious
mild ginkgo
obviously weve talked about bsp support
and while in its early stages, we will likely continue down the road with unity asset bundle as the primary avenue, we definitely have done a good bit of exploring native bsp support, and will likely further investigate depending on time, interest, and the relative success of dusk
and to be clear
that means you can MAP in bsp
but youll have to do a conversion process with the tools we provide
mild ginkgo
but in the future we want to get rid of the conversion middle step
if at all possible/viable
crimson folio
i have so many questions, but i don't like, want to flood you with em, but at the same time i'm hyped
too many commas
mild ginkgo
im around to answer
thats in unity
made in trenchbroom
with bsp
and dusk.wad
mild ginkgo
not currently, but its very very very simple to support yeah
crimson folio
awesome
mild ginkgo
like a 5 minute job
crimson folio
sweet
mild ginkgo
let me see if i can censor a screenshot real quick
this isnt the one i was referring to
but
this is using unity, again, with quake.wad
and testing various q1bsp functions
crimson folio
awesome
mild ginkgo
lighting, etc
crimson folio
that's fucking excellent
crimson folio
so wait, is the lighting prebaked in the .bsp used, or does unity do it?
mild ginkgo
you can do either
crimson folio
ooooo
mild ginkgo
that one is done with the quake 1 light baking tools
crimson folio
cool
mild ginkgo
you need a key, or you can wait to preorder
sly cedar
you cant
mild ginkgo
which is very very soon
sly cedar
ye
mild ginkgo
preorder gives you instant access to episode 1
vague egret
20
tawny briar
get a key
tawny briar
i got it free from movie night
crimson folio
you must answer 3 riddles
mild ginkgo
there it is in trenchbroom
dreamy snow
just a quick question, will DUSK have support for 144hz screens? what I mean by this is that there's a common thing with unity games regarding micro stuttering when moving, but everything else (animations and such are fine). Will DUSK rid of this?
crimson folio
Ok.
mild ginkgo
censored names and spoilery textures
only stuff youve seen before
@dreamy snow its been thoroughly tested at 144
dreamy snow
thank you 500!
crimson folio
LIKE,SUPPORTED?
mild ginkgo
trenchbroom is kind of our main testbed, and thus, likely the flagship
crimson folio
:[
mild ginkgo
but yeah, any bsp tool
glad mesa
Trenchbroom is a map development tool for games of this style?
crimson folio
Tehnically.
mild ginkgo
its the defacto quake 1 tool
crimson folio
trenchbroom is a quake level tool
mild ginkgo
no its running in unity
glad mesa
Ah, gotcha
crimson folio
I know.
mild ginkgo
so it has nothing to do with quake really
crimson folio
I use it for my levels.
Oh,ok.
either that, or worldcraft clones
Nice.
like JACK
which is TREMENDOUSLY BETTER
mild ginkgo
but we wanted to support the tools quake modders know and love
mild ginkgo
im not a mapper so i wouldnt know
tawny briar
i use sea cucumber
mild ginkgo
but i want mappers to be as comfortable as possible
crimson folio
aka it's a valve product
anyway
JACK, is a versitile open source
version
of OG worldcraft
and it would be VERY
good
for people who want to make dusk levels
but don't like trenchbroom
like me
Do not forget.
Worldcraft creator.
Was with valve.
mild ginkgo
we just want you to have the most powerful, and easy to use tools possible
so that you arent limited in any way
crimson folio
you guys, from what i've seen and heard so far
have done a really great job doing that
mild ginkgo
i will have you know that ive played duskworld in a fully ripped q3a aerowalk lol
texture for texture, poly for poly
just dropped the file in
and presto
graceful wing
mhm. patience pls
crimson folio
i got aids, i can't wait
mild ginkgo
all you get is my shitty experiment screenshots
mild ginkgo
also interesting, there have been experiments with direct mdl imports
interpolated, and not interpolated
crimson folio
how has that gone?
prisma halo
== DUSK & DUSK SDK (DAWN) INFORMATION DUMP ==
- Dusk is developed entirely in Unity, although you could easily mistake it for the Quake engine.
- TrenchBroom is the "officially" supported mapping tool, but that doesn't mean others won't receive support or testing.
- Custom scripting (enemies, weapons, game modes, etc) will be ready long before custom levels will be, and will likely have some form of public testing phase.
- The SDK will contain various tools to aid with mod creation, but none are necessary if you enjoy developing raw (maps and shaders are exempt from this).
- Scripting involves a custom definition language along with Lua for behaviour control, and potentially Squirrel as an alternative option down the line.
- Custom levels are currently in the form of asset bundles, which a BSP must be converted to within Unity. There are technical reasons behind this, but there are plans to remove this limitation and allow loading BSPs directly.
- The official game data formats are IQM (models), PNG (textures), flac (audio), however they are not the only ones you can use.
- You are able to load Quake 3 MD3 models, and potentially Quake 1 MDL models down the line. However, this feature is not officially supported, so don't expect it to be flawless.
- Yes, there will be a console. Yes, mods can make use of it.
- An .fgd and a .wad will be provided for use in Quake mapping tools.
and with that, I head to bed
(pin?)
tawny briar
pin?
prisma ivy
Nice
autumn compass
when dusk is released, i hope zombie will make "bloodusk"
crimson folio
when dusk is released, i hope zombie will make "h-dusk"
glad mesa
When dusk is released, I hope I can learn how to mod shtuff in
jaunty scroll
when dusk is released, i hope someone ports [x level from my favorite shooting game]
dreamy snow
when dusk is released, I hope someone will port barbie horse adventure
crimson folio
reminder: soap pit
glad mesa
When dusk Is released, I hope someone will make the duskcart racing mod
Mariokart but dusk
dreamy snow
CTF with the grapple in dusk :o
autumn compass
duskflip
dreamy snow
Tony hawks Pro DUSK !!!!!
glad mesa
Can't wait for when duskworld releases and people make frag movies with more talent than some professionals in the videos editing business
gray zenith
gahh why isn't it released yet??
graceful wing
IT'S NOT RIPE YET