unless u r Braun Strowman
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
heady vortex
Not gonna lie, going to be pretty disappointed if the final boss isn't Dave's face
crimson folio
reminds me of my friend pedro's final boss
fair mirage
dave's head on a pike in the brain
gleaming berry
am I the only one who thinks the Icon of Sin is a lame Final Boss?
I never liked that fight
crystal vessel
Hell Revealed 2 does final level better
fair mirage
eh it was neat for its time
crystal vessel
Instead of some dumb icon of sin you gotta get keys while dudes spawn in
And getting all keys opens the exit
And it's hard as fuck
so 👌
heady vortex
yo ufuck
junior bobcat
AHFSKFLDSX
heady vortex
I don't even got Steam launched
crimson folio
i got a key months ago lmao
crystal vessel
Trap Meister is always watching
hexed roost
who got it?
heady vortex
angery
junior bobcat
i guess we'll never know who got it
heady vortex
rip me
hexed roost
it doesn't look like it has been taken yet
heady vortex
Now it was
hexed roost
you get it?
crystal vessel
You got it?
heady vortex
Yep
hexed roost
congrat
crystal vessel
Lol nice
junior bobcat
gg
heady vortex
WE D U S K B O Y S NOW
Say, would it be an option to have sprite models instead of this newfangled "3D" meme
First person, I mean
crystal vessel
what
hexed roost
weapon sprites?
hexed roost
you'll have to ask david after he's back from beebee break
but i seem to recall him saying no, because he wants to keep it Quake-esque
don't quote me on that
heady vortex
Too bad, I am quoting you RIGHT NOW
atomic egret
"but i seem to recall him saying no, because he wants to keep it Quake-esque" -Unmutual, 2017
heady vortex
The screencap of this bold claim is forever on the internet
gleaming berry
Dusk will be 3D
hexed roost
now whenever you go to quote me
heady vortex
Ay, cheers
hexed roost
you'll see the screencap that says don't quote me
gleaming berry
but if we get the toolkit going
u can put in whatever u want
so 2d anime waifus
mild ginkgo
@prisma halo can mod them in
gleaming berry
obv
heady vortex
Well obivously I'll cut off the "don't quote me" part
gleaming berry
H-DUSK
mild ginkgo
Pls no h dusk
atomic egret
zombie said he was gonna add it in a while back when I first asked about that stuff
mild ginkgo
Phone auto-correct
fair mirage
inb4 H-dusk isn't what everyone thinks it is but just replaces all the models and text with various stylized H's
heady vortex
inb4 people still get off
mild ginkgo
Futura in bold
hexed roost
ʰ
crystal vessel
I second the HDusk notion
mild ginkgo
heady vortex
AKCHYUALLY, I use unfiltered comic sans, but that's off topic
atomic egret
it's funny because that's basically the most regular font now
fair mirage
but i like regular :(
atomic egret
no fuk u this is general http://i.imgur.com/PoIUWcx.png
heady vortex
Aw, the graphics quality selection tho
atomic egret
lud looks kinda bad unless you disable texture filtering imo
prisma halo
@mild ginkgo @gleaming berry maybe I'll make the demonstration mod an anime girl mod
mild ginkgo
🙏
prisma halo
complete with lain banning you in the end
fair mirage
fuckin rekt
gleaming berry
I like this mod idea
u get to the final boss
and it's just Lain
and he's like
BANND
then u die
the end
prisma halo
so I was reading the QuakeC source code to see how weapons are implemented in Quake
fair mirage
an enormous thor hammer
fair mirage
with "BAN" on the part that falls on you
mild ginkgo
You're starting to worry me zombie
prisma halo
lmao
mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
Hmm
prisma halo
Ｂ Ｉ Ｔ Ｆ Ｉ Ｅ Ｌ Ｄ
mild ginkgo
Whatwhy
prisma halo
I mean I guess it'd run faster back then maybe?
mild ginkgo
True
prisma halo
you could just do self.items & IT_SHOTGUN
mild ginkgo
Performance was key
prisma halo
I just noticed it since I saw the code for impulse 9 there
/*
============
CheatCommand
============
*/
void() CheatCommand =
{
if (deathmatch || coop)
return;
self.ammo_rockets = 100;
self.ammo_nails = 200;
self.ammo_shells = 100;
self.items = self.items |
IT_AXE |
IT_SHOTGUN |
IT_SUPER_SHOTGUN |
IT_NAILGUN |
IT_SUPER_NAILGUN |
IT_GRENADE_LAUNCHER |
IT_ROCKET_LAUNCHER |
IT_KEY1 | IT_KEY2;
self.ammo_cells = 200;
self.items = self.items | IT_LIGHTNING;
self.weapon = IT_ROCKET_LAUNCHER;
self.impulse = 0;
W_SetCurrentAmmo ();
};```no idea lol
mild ginkgo
Must've been added later in development
mild ginkgo
That's really a confusing thing
prisma halo
okay I'm gonna take a guess and say QuakeC has no switch statements
because holy mother of else if
mild ginkgo
Yeah no way they wouldn't use switches if they had them as an option
prisma halo
/*
============
ImpulseCommands
============
*/
void() ImpulseCommands =
{
if (self.impulse >= 1 && self.impulse <= 8)
W_ChangeWeapon ();
if (self.impulse == 9)
CheatCommand ();
if (self.impulse == 10)
CycleWeaponCommand ();
if (self.impulse == 11)
ServerflagsCommand ();
if (self.impulse == 12)
CycleWeaponReverseCommand ();
if (self.impulse == 255)
QuadCheat ();
self.impulse = 0;
};```huh, I always thought there were more impulses
prisma halo
no idea ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mild ginkgo
Cheeky 8 bit Max for no reason?
prisma halo
probably
/*
============
W_WeaponFrame
Called every frame so impulse events can be handled as well as possible
============
*/
void() W_WeaponFrame =
{
if (time < self.attack_finished)
return;
ImpulseCommands ();
// check for attack
if (self.button0)
{
SuperDamageSound ();
W_Attack ();
}
};```lmao
the whole impulse thing seems so weird
mild ginkgo
I just don't understand why it's called impulse
The whole thing is odd
So based on that you can't impulse 9 while attacking huh?
Interesting
prisma halo
guess so
I guess that might have been intentional so that you couldn't hot-swap back and forth between a gun to shoot it faster
like the SSG
prisma halo
definitely
huh, does dusk really rely entirely on the navmesh for movement right now?
mild ginkgo
For AI yeah I think so
I was playing with the navmesh component for a duskworld spawn priority system
But decided to scrap it for the time being
prisma halo
ideally I want to scrap the navmesh entirely
mild ginkgo
Yeah
It's not great
I just wanted a convenient way to calculate player pathable distances between spawns and alive players to find the optimal place to spawn a new player
prisma halo
I'm pretty sure Quake just instructs enemies to run towards you until they hit a wall
mild ginkgo
As well as potentially weighting the spawns based on their proximity to spawned items of some value
Probably a little over the top for a 'for fun' multi-player component
prisma halo
heh, yeah
mild ginkgo
But yeah, scrapped
prisma halo
/*
=============
ai_walk
The monster is walking it's beat
=============
*/
void(float dist) ai_walk =
{
local vector mtemp;
movedist = dist;
if (self.classname == "monster_dragon")
{
movetogoal (dist);
return;
}
// check for noticing a player
if (FindTarget ())
return;
movetogoal (dist);
};```it's
reeeeeee
also interesting how there's a leftover remnant of the dragon enemy there
This is the primary means of navigation available to monsters. It is a very basic form of navigation consisting of only 2 behaviours: 1. Move straight toward the current .goalentity 2. If blocked, move in a random direction for a random period of time. If the monster has the FL_FLY flag set, it will try to stay slightly above the height of the entity in the .enemy field.
prisma halo
cut quake enemy
mild ginkgo
Interesting
prisma halo
its model is in the public tests I think
and I think it was reused in one of the mission packs
prisma halo
hmm, enemies most of the time just head straight for the player in Dusk anyways, the only real problem I see with going after the approach listed above is
mild ginkgo
Just haven't gotten around to it
prisma halo
they'll be noticeably less intelligent in areas like this:
they'll try to head towards you and sorta zig-zag out of there
against the wall
mild ginkgo
Yeah I've noticed that in the demo as well
prisma halo
I mean I could play around with implementing A* or something but still
mild ginkgo
1.41 :^)
prisma halo
hm?
mild ginkgo
The usual diagonal weighting of a*
prisma halo
ah
prisma halo
I wonder what nav meshes use under the hood
prisma halo
hahahahaha
mild ginkgo
I know it just weights regions of the mesh
But determining that weight is a whole thing that could be awful
prisma halo
I think I'll just wait for the next time David's on and see what he thinks
mild ginkgo
Yeah I feel the same way, like man I should mock up CTF.... I'll just wait for David
prisma halo
hahahaha
mild ginkgo
Capture the meat lass tbh
prisma halo
has quite meaty gameplay
mild ginkgo
OK now I hope that never happens
prisma halo
fuck
Unity 5.6
exposes NavMeshBuilder to UnityEngine
no longer an editor class
Dusk is on 5.3.5p3 ;-;
prisma halo
I'd push for it right now if lightmaps didn't get fucked
mild ginkgo
So it's a good option
prisma halo
hmm
prisma halo
not sure
I'm pretty sure the only level affected negatively by rebuilding lightmaps is the pre pre pre alpha level, A1M2
which is due to some weird geometry in the starting room
but it's still an issue imo
could be other areas in other maps with the same issue that I'm not aware of
mild ginkgo
I bet if you use the updated particle system and linerenderer as a carrot on a stick, David could be convinced
prisma halo
lmao
pretty sure there's a new input system too
because Unity needs 5 different versions of every system
mild ginkgo
I forget which version that stuff happened in
Also support for a lot of stuff in general was added, lots of updates to performance, I think even updated networking
prisma halo
holy cow dusk's repo is 3.6 gb now
mild ginkgo
Riip
prisma halo
tfw I have to git clone --depth 1 for it to succeed now
clone not commit my bad
hmm, I'm gonna do a clean clone
load it into 5.3.5p3 and ensure all assets are converted to text
then modify the headers of the LightingData assets
so that they point to the latest Unity version (5.5.2f1)
and try to load it in a newer Unity version
prisma halo
not according to "Check for Updates", weird
Unity claims to be up to date for me
anyways gonna download 5.6 then and try that
mild ginkgo
Probs
There's a lot of tiny new strange things in 5.6
Like exposing debug values of materials/shaders in the editor
Like render depth
prisma halo
I wonder if you have access to animation curves in builds now
as stupid as it is, you can't actually get animation data normally
you can only set it
mild ginkgo
?? Wot really
prisma halo
It's useful for ripping assets at runtime
which is easier and more effective than using currently available tools
it's also very useful for modifying animations at runtime
since you can base your changes on existing data
(I want to have an internal Mesh class -> IQM file converter for the modding library)
heady vortex
Final boss is confronting your own inner weeb
Also
Unsurprisingly, my craptop has FPS dips in DUSK
Maybe it's time to upgrade. Just maybe.
prisma halo
there are a few things that could potentially cause drops on lower end machines
prisma halo
Yeah, believe it or not it's slower for lower end machines
the pixellation is a shader
mild ginkgo
When we make the dusk wiki I will be sure to note that the pixel filter impacts performance
Also has David turned off motion blur yet?
prisma halo
haven't checked
prisma halo
yeah
heady vortex
The pixel filter's a bit TOO extreme, tbqh
If there was some manner of slider for it..
mild ginkgo
It's a slider in new builds
heady vortex
Oh, well disregard me then.
mild ginkgo
Heh, it's hard for most people to know how out of date that build is
There's a ton of new features and quality of life improvements
heady vortex
Well I did see some things like weapon model size slider
mild ginkgo
That build doesn't even have the cfg file lol
heady vortex
D U S C C
heady vortex
Be sure to play in 640x480, 4:3 for authentic experience
atomic egret
nah he's just poor
prisma halo
authentic experience would be 320x200/320x240
heady vortex
Also on mute because soundcards are for rich kids
mild ginkgo
Nah using the PC speaker play midi sounds
fair mirage
or horrid beeps from the pc
fair mirage
christ
rotund glen
1 life at the end of slug village? what a pleb
first game I ever played was keen1, played the hell out of the series
mild ginkgo
Yeah he's trash
But he's using the right sound setup for maximum poverty
Our main PC had a soundblaster, the laptop however, didnt
So keen and the three stooges dos game sounded jank as fuck
This babe
Mouse buttons on the lid
Trackball next to the screen
That was real gaming
vague egret
Real men prefer ThinkPad eraser tips
prisma halo
@mild ginkgo interestingly, lightmaps only appear to break on A1M2 now
a plethora of other things break though
thorn trout
@prisma halo ehh I forget which map that is... is it the rainy one next to a big expanse of water? If so, lightmaps are just either broken or not baked. I can't remember which. Still might use that level for something. I like it.
prisma halo
A1M2 = demo map
I think the one you're referring to is the scrapped iteration of E1MS
the one you used to make the "think of the children" meme
jade root
David go be with babbo
prisma halo
but yeah uhh, I don't forsee Dusk moving to another Unity version any time soon after looking at this closely
not without many rewrites and patchups to the scenes
also @thorn trout did you see the earlier discussion about AI?
also >tfw there are leftover lightmaps for an "A1M1" level, but the actual map has been deleted :(
jade root
Are there black hole floors?
prisma halo
only A1M2 has the honor of having black hole floors
there's also a leftover navmesh for "A1M5" but that map no longer exists either
jade root
A? Oh Act
prisma halo
I always read it as "alpha" since that's pretty much what the AXMX series maps are
thorn trout
oh yeah the black hole floors
I didn't see the AI discussion. What's up?
A = alpha
prisma halo
basically we were discussing what the best route would be to take regarding AI
since ditching nav meshes is probably the ideal situation
lemme screencap some of it
thorn trout
I've heard that newer versions of Unity let you assign navmeshes at runtime though.
What would be the issue with updating at some point?
prisma halo
5.6 allows you to generate them at runtime yeah
there are a few issues
for one, Unity's migration system is shit
and a lot of the things in Dusk are difficult to migrate either way, partly due to ProBuilder
lighting in general pretty much dies as soon as the project gets migrated at all
all objects go fullbright and the levels themselves either lose lighting entirely or require rebaking
or, in the case of A1M2, have sections that simply refuse to be lit
thorn trout
that sounds like pb objects might need refreshed maybe
prisma halo
Dawn potentially solves this, but a completed map import/export system is a while off
I attempted to refresh but unfortunately it made no difference
not sure what the actual cause is
thorn trout
hmm I see
I don't think a reworking of the AI is gonna happen before release. That'll probably happen along with other changes post release to optimize Dusk for modding
prisma halo
it was more a question of what Dawn should do
thorn trout
and at that point, depending on what you've done with Dawn, I'll probably try an update to 5.6 first, and if those issues end up being too large I'll look into a different pathfinding method
prisma halo
in most cases the behavioural difference probably wouldn't be noticeable, except in circumstances like the one I mentioned in that screencap
if 5.6 happens then navmeshes could just be used as is
and Dawn could just use the navmesh movement functions internally
the way Quake handles movement is pretty funny now that I look at it though
thorn trout
kk. Hopefully I can get the update to work because that seems ideal
prisma halo
This is the primary means of navigation available to monsters. It is a very basic form of navigation consisting of only 2 behaviours: 1. Move straight toward the current .goalentity 2. If blocked, move in a random direction for a random period of time. If the monster has the FL_FLY flag set, it will try to stay slightly above the height of the entity in the .enemy field.
thorn trout
hmm
come to think of it I'll bet the pathfinding in Dusk is one of the biggest performance hogs
prisma halo
thanks to Quake's mostly simple geometry you never really notice how simple the AI really is
there are a few potential performance hogs in Dusk
for one, all objects have stuff like "receive shadows" and "cast shadows" set
not sure if that does anything but it's worth looking into
AI is also not capped, so it runs as much as it can
thorn trout
it shouldn't do anything
prisma halo
and there was also a motion blur shader active that 500_pts found
although it was set to 0, it could potentially be hogging performance a little
thorn trout
wait... AI should be capped per enemy type, with their update time or whatever I called it
it only deals with pathfinding every so often
prisma halo
I meant the Update() method in general
thorn trout
oh I see
prisma halo
I personally recommend capping AI to 50fps but it's up to you
prisma halo
oh and NullReferenceExceptions can cause HUGE performance drops if there are too many of them too often
(some of the old demo maps go down to like, 1 fps if you try to run them with the current codebase)
(there are like, hundreds of exceptions raised every frame)
in Quake? It just does the same thing as it usually does I think, moves towards the player until they hit a wall
thorn trout
heh yeah I figured
prisma halo
then move in a random direction until they can reach the player properly again
I imagine super complex geometry would screw them up a bit
thorn trout
oh, did you somehow implement it in Dusk or are we just figuring the geometry would cause issues?
prisma halo
I could pretty easily add Quake's AI to dusk
it was just a question of whether it'd be preferable over NavMeshes
since well, Quake AI is effectively Doom AI minus random zigzagging
thorn trout
hmm, just realized that leathernecks would probably be significantly gimped by that ai
prisma halo
Yeah, and mages too, since they're usually in enclosed spaces
thorn trout
what about A*?
thorn trout
yeah. I guess it would be worth giving the quake style ai a shot right now at least. Significant changes in pathfinding behavior would be a bad idea post-release.
prisma halo
Yeah
thorn trout
I just don't want to change stuff that works atm because there's still so much to do level-wise and multiplayer-wise before release
prisma halo
Yeah, I getcha
I'll probably play around with it tomorrow and let you know if it breaks anything horribly
thorn trout
sure lemme know. If I have some free time I might mess with it as well.
*free time when my brain works
:P
thorn trout
I'm getting a little more sleep now that we're home from the hospital but I'm still not figuring on doing anything serious gamedev-related for another week or so. Just small things to keep me busy
prisma halo
Focus on being a dad ye workaholic
thorn trout
yup :)
frail shuttle
I don't know much about dusk except it's a 90's style fps. Is it a melding of them all? Get to fight nazi-demon-alien-zombie stroggs?
autumn compass
toxic wadi
so dusk 2 is gonna be early access open world survival game, right?
jade root
DUSK gameplay and setting is inspired by a lot of things, too many to list, but story-wise you are fighting lovecraft cultists
vague egret
Dusk 2 will be a anime txt adventure
vague egret
Heard it here first folks
jade root
its just black screen, green text
toxic wadi
so its like a dusk MUD
vague egret
With anime undertones
toxic wadi
kawaii
toxic wadi
open world survival text adventure? does hellmoo/infernomoo count
sacred sable
Hey all. What the fuck is happening?!
twilit olive
not much, just it being on hold due to dave becoming a dad
frozen heart
Oh dime is here
heady vortex
Oh yeah will the betatesting build get an update
vague egret
The alpha will update to release version
heady vortex
I'm just curious about the new sliders, weapon model one and the pixelization shader one
graceful wing
there'll be some builds for you guys to test as we approach launch most likely
along with multiplayer testing
coming soon ™
pastel venture
🙏🏼 multiplayer 🙏🏼 testing 🙏🏼
heady vortex
Well my crappy Russian internet would be a good test for netcode and uhh.. that complicated word, interpolation, was it
austere egret
So would my crappy American internet
graceful wing
EXCITE
crimson folio
i want that dusk midi
heady vortex
9 MORE SEASONS UNTIL I GET THAT DUSK MIDI
frail shuttle
gotta be Keaton, i'll take anything that's not a garbage hitscan shooter.
Theres a few good ones. but.... it ain't the same
normal leaf
gibs looks far more satisfying in Dusk than Strafe
Have to buy strafe anyway to hold me over
austere egret
God I need to play strafe, I'm not much of a Rouge-like fan, but I need my classic fps game kick
thorn trout
The one thing I will say is that it's probably better to go into it expecting a Roguelite than a classic FPS
jade root
you like your shitty single shots, dont you
atomic egret
you know I just had a thought
austere egret
What about the Burst rifle?
atomic egret
what if somebody downloads the dusk demo to get a good feel for everything and then buys the full game and speedruns it right away in 2 hours
and then refunds it
jade root
then he deserves his money back
austere egret
wat
atomic egret
well i'm thinking the record for it will probably be closer to 45 minutes so 2 hours doesn't sound that bad in that case
atomic egret
e1 isnt going to be the demo
iirc david said the demo will likely just be the level we have in the current steam build
austere egret
I'm gonna run through dusk blind, I've been spoiling too many games for myself lately
atomic egret
I want to see it happen now
thorn trout
there's no way the demo will be all of ep1
atomic egret
what about dusk mission packs
ney
official mission pack only please
no plebian fan packs
honestly no
stiff badger
dont trust the un-dead
atomic egret
hey nano's right your all undead
hank's just a skele zombie's a zombie and scott's a ginger
don't be stupid
skeletons don't have hair
graceful wing
no memes there
atomic egret
fucc
void herald
I've gotta say, seeing the trailer and gameplay of the demo inspired me to download and play through all of the original quake
crimson folio
I wish i had your username
crimson folio
Doblinson has hepres and occasional cancer
sage forge
you know, im kind of embarassed to say that i would go against my no pre-order personal rule and pre order dusk
also, my arm hurts
have a good evening everyone
crimson folio
Jamie, son. Why'd you hurt your dang arm?
crimson folio
How many goddamn gingers we got in here lol
mild ginkgo
atomic egret
you're just mad cause we're talking shit about gingers
mild ginkgo
not really, its because it has nothing to do with dusk
atomic egret
no soul
frozen heart
Has anyone done 53 or less glitchless?
hexed roost
leisure suit duskguy?!
atomic egret
@dusk quail looks like you 2 are gonna be duking it out now
radiant venture
isn't that glitched?
frozen heart
i don't see why it would be
radiant venture
🤷
frozen heart
what's a glitch about mechanics working as intended
radiant venture
tbf, the whole glitchless thing is weird since you use a glitch right in the beginning in glitchless
frozen heart
we really have to define whats a glitch
to me the thing at the starts seems more like a trigger skip
but i don't know exactly what holds you in place so i can't say for sure
frozen heart
lol
and regardless, mt run is super garbo and can esaily take another second or two of
maybe even <50
radiant venture
slate edge
prepreprepreprepreprepreprepreprepre alpha
frozen heart
GTA4 Classic%
radiant venture
I get HL2 vibes from object climbing and OOB stuff
dusk quail
YO NICE
radiant venture
danks
dusk quail
I have bad aim and cant shoot the button at the end lol
dusk quail
Hmm :/ maybe i should try for 54 when i get outta bed lol
I couldnt really watch it on mobile so ill watch it later
radiant venture
it's perfectly doable
one thing that bugs me is that the game time doesn't show below a second
i'd prefer 00:00.00
dusk quail
Ah yea
radiant venture
or maybe even 00:00.000
dusk quail
Have u ran any other games? U mentioned HL2
radiant venture
I'm a Quake and Quake II runner
radiant venture
17th in Quake and WR holder in Q2
radiant venture
yeah, it's gonna be really cool 😃
I find the fuel cans the most frustrating part of the run tbh
dusk quail
Lol i find jumping in the window difficult
dusk quail
Ill have to see what you mean, like the open window?
radiant venture
the one you jump out of after getting the yellow key
dusk quail
Ah ok
radiant venture
when you get used to it, it's actually pretty consistent
dusk quail
Breaking the window doesnt always work, i never looked for different strats
radiant venture
boosting with the fuel can seems faster
and you can probably do the whole thing faster than I do
I'm gonna try out Keaton's route
to see what time I can get
dusk quail
what route is that?
radiant venture
dusk quail
oh
radiant venture
arguable not glitchless
radiant venture
is it really a clip and not just a hidden opening?
dusk quail
Dont u need to push urself in between the prop to push urself through?
I should proof read my msgs lol
radiant venture
probably as intentional as skipping the freeze in the beginning
radiant venture
probably as intentional as skipping the freeze in the beginning :b
dusk quail
lol
radiant venture
that's why I prefer category names as Quake% and Half-Life 2% :b
because glitchless and any% in this case feel... weird
dusk quail
whats the cat we run isnt it just classified as glitchless
dusk quail
what glitch?
radiant venture
skipping the 3 - 4 second freeze in the beginning
dusk quail
oh yea i guess
radiant venture
I really doubt it's intentional
dusk quail
we dont do any major skips do we
radiant venture
depends on if that's considered a major skip or not
radiant venture
I'd prefer No Major Glitches/Exploits over Glitchless
dusk quail
Yea
radiant venture
if it happens once in the whole game, or maybe once per episode or something, I wouldn't call it a major exploit
but object climbing andOOB absolutely is
dusk quail
yea
radiant venture
and if the 53 run is using major explois, then it's an obsolete any% run
frozen heart
this all reminds me of when they did a glitchless run for OOT on a GDQ once
that was hilarious
radiant venture
:p
frozen heart
the OOT community is super scattershot with what is an isn't a glitch
and of course chat lost their damn minds
radiant venture
what I'm basically saying is that the freeze at the beginning most likely is a glitch, if david doesn't disagree with me
so glitchless isn't really glitchless
also, object climbing is hard, man
dusk quail
whats the AR hotkey for dusk to switch to it
radiant venture
no idea
I just don't pick the second pistol up
so I can switch to it with Q
oh david's here
@thorn trout oi, is skipping the freeze at the beginning a glitch?
dusk quail
lol ill just press them all
frozen heart
you'll find it eventually
thorn trout
@radiant venture I don't think so, it's just being quick
dusk quail
so its entirely glitchless run 😄
radiant venture
no, it was the freeze in the beginning
dusk quail
like when u spawn
radiant venture
I don't think object boosting is a glitch per se
and I actually think it's a legit strat, although kinda exploity
but I need to sleep, I can't even spell dyslexic right now, ironically enough :p
dusk quail
night o/
radiant venture
gnight
sacred sable
Just watched that run @radiant venture , holy shit man. 👍
radiant venture
thank you
atomic egret
well didnt keaton do 53
radiant venture
we don't even know if it's a legit "glitchless" run or not
mild ginkgo
Propjumps bleh
radiant venture
I'm not a fan of them, if they get fixed, I wouldn't mind :p
graceful wing
propjumps are not glitchless
radiant venture
but are they glitches, tho?
mild ginkgo
I think that's up to the community
graceful wing
mmh
mild ginkgo
Most seem to feel that it's a gltich
graceful wing
personally propjumps have no place in a glitchless run
mild ginkgo
I feel the same for sure
radiant venture
I think it's a major exploit but not really a glitch
I'm not a fan of the name Glitchless, because what's a glitch and what's not?
graceful wing
it might need it's own specification
mild ginkgo
I think that's what most people mean by glitchless
atomic egret
i don't think projumps are a glitch
radiant venture
me neither
mild ginkgo
Like bunnyhopping for example
graceful wing
usually glitchless is that yea
mild ginkgo
Is a glitch
graceful wing
but tbh i do feel like propjumps go over the line
mild ginkgo
But nobody considers it a glitch
graceful wing
the skipping potential is huge
radiant venture
but then, if you allow some glitches, and ban some, the whole glitchless thing is arbitrary
mild ginkgo
On top of being uninteresting to do, and watch
Yeah, that's how most glitchless categories are
Nobody is going to say 'quake glitchless needs no bunnyhops'
It's arbitrary, set by the community
radiant venture
there is no quake glitchless :p
mild ginkgo
Right but if you used a glitch in quake, you'd call it a glitched run
radiant venture
yeah
mild ginkgo
So the standard run is by that virtue, glitchless
radiant venture
no
mild ginkgo
Except it employs a physics glitch
Nobody will call it a glitch
And there is no true glitchless category
mild ginkgo
Right
radiant venture
same with Q2
radiant venture
but we don't use glitchless categories
mild ginkgo
Nobody calls it a glitch, but everyone knows it's one
radiant venture
because we use glitches
mild ginkgo
Right because you don't consider it a glitch
radiant venture
we consider it glitches
but whether we call it a glitch or not, doesn't matter since we don't have glitchless categories
mild ginkgo
OK but let's say there was a major exploit, and I could break the run essentially
Huge glitch
radiant venture
yeah
mild ginkgo
That'd be actively called a glitched run
radiant venture
yeah but so is a run without it
mild ginkgo
And by not calling the standard run glitched, you are implying it is not glitched
Regardless of conscious knowledge of the glitches contained in it
radiant venture
we aren't calling the standard run glitched because all the other categories are glitched too
we don't have a glitchless category, so we don't need to specify that any% is glitched
mild ginkgo
I guess you are just looking for over specific names
Calling a run 'anything goes except propjumps %' doesn't really make as much sense as 'glitchless'
radiant venture
and if we found a skip that broke the game, there would probably be a category that just excludes the trick because people just don't like it
mild ginkgo
More likely you'd create a new category around the new bug
radiant venture
or that
mild ginkgo
Rather than change the old one
Which is exactly what happened here
Everyone ran glitchless as no oob basically
Then propjumps got discovered as a viable run technique
So it didn't go in the same category as the glitchless run
Certainly when the game comes out I think 'any%, no propjumps' will be a better category
radiant venture
I agree
mild ginkgo
Because there will be routes for completing optional levels etc
But with one level and no way the mark progression, % is a weird thing to mark
At least, that's why it evolved that wat
Way
radiant venture
% is just a thing that people started using after super metroid runs
that's where all the % categories come from
there was no name for categories where you just finish the game, so any% is the most fitting name for it
mild ginkgo
Yeah definitely
radiant venture
you just finish the game, and % doesn't matter
sullen carbon
:>
slate edge
I had an idea for a feature for speedrunning, what aboput having a level select screen once players have finished the game and allowing them to maybe set a parametre where if whatever time is input has elapsed it restarts the level and timer. Just an idea :P
sullen carbon
map e1m1
tawny briar
can not wait for dusk
austere egret
Too bad, you're gonna have to
tawny briar
ya
austere egret
David just became a dad, so hes takin some time off dusk development, and Zombie is having problems with Duskworld (the multiplayer component of dusk).
tawny briar
got it
hexed roost
Zombie isn't working on DuskWorld, he's working on Dawn (the mod tools for Dusk)
austere egret
Oh
hexed roost
for the record
hexed roost
That's coding for you
tawny briar
there's multiplayer this game is good
austere egret
I care more about a game's singleplayer, different strokes for different folks I guess
Games with poor singleplayer/co-op components are a turn of for me
as thats what I prefer to play
tawny briar
that's cool
austere egret
I still play online modes and games meant for online play, I just prefer singleplayer
worthy vector
Same
austere egret
Arma 2's multiplayer was fun as shit
tawny briar
like quake 3
austere egret
never played quake 3, did play quake live though
tawny briar
never played quake live
austere egret
Its just quake 3 but F2P (or at least it was)
earnest jacinth
there are plenty of games that have multplayer but the SP is far superior
austere egret
Like DOOM 2016
austere egret
And quake 1 as well
austere egret
yeah, not all of the Metal Gear games have MP
tawny briar
I've never played a MGS game
austere egret
That sucks, They're great games, though the story is weird
tawny briar
ya
tawny briar
he's making a new game right
austere egret
yeah, Death stranding
tawny briar
ya
austere egret
its gonna be even worse than MGS in terms of how weird and Meta the story will be
tawny briar
then it was all a dream
tawny briar
what will the game play be like
austere egret
From what they've said, its going to be a Third person Action/Shooter game, with maybe MGS-like stealth elements
tawny briar
like resident evil
austere egret
nah
sullen carbon
i ought to play the new doom but the thought of doom 3 all over again has me nervous
austere egret
More like Metal Gear sold 5 but with much more linear level design
austere egret
@sullen carbon DOOM 2016 is nothing like doom 3
sullen carbon
so i've heard
slate edge
#bnnuy-and-the-jits lads
austere egret
PLAY IT YOU FUCKBOY
sullen carbon
but that game went on wayyyyyyy too long
tawny briar
no
sullen carbon
how many chapters or whatever are there, at least like 35
austere egret
like 10
sullen carbon
maybe in the new one
tawny briar
ya but it more game to play
sullen carbon
if it's a good one that's good
i know doom 3 wasn't supposed to be the originals
but man
talk about a boring, predictable game
tawny briar
doom 3 is a mess
sullen carbon
oh hey all the lights are off except for that armor lit up over there
austere egret
k
tawny briar
ok
sullen carbon
oh good point
dusk is cool
so is the multiplayer like not gonna be just dm and tdm and such
what is this duskworld business
tawny briar
ya i need something to play and dusk looks great for me
sullen carbon
i saw the horde mode, the waves
tawny briar
ya what do you think the world record is going to be for horde mode is going to be
austere egret
Hank is the endless mode king
tawny briar
ya but for the full game
tawny briar
what
sullen carbon
that's what i thought when devil daggers came around
tawny briar
ok
austere egret
Well, I can always make my own
sullen carbon
but that coveted top spot is still being fought for
tawny briar
ya is there going to be mods
sullen carbon
yeah, it does it really well tho
So hopefully Dusk does that too, which it looks like it certainly will
crystal vessel
I don't have the attention span to get super far in endless
austere egret
Yep, it'll have mod support, workshop maybe
crystal vessel
I reach a point where I get myself killed so I can stop
tawny briar
lol
tawny briar
ya you go
tawny briar
make click bait and say 10
austere egret
it'll happen
Well, you get what I mean
then again
any new endless record that pops up, more than likely you are gonna try your damnedest to top it
tawny briar
and will
austere egret
Damn straight
austere egret
I know what mine is, run around a map like a mad man taking pot shots at everything
It worked for Marathon
Equip dual shotguns, run around map at full speed, shoot everything in path
It should work in dusk
tawny briar
the cultists feel a breeze then get shot
austere egret
yep
tawny briar
how fast can you move in this game
austere egret
like, doom1/quake1 fast I think
tawny briar
but in more open places
austere egret
yeah
sullen carbon
will the clouds move fast like in q3a
austere egret
no idea
sullen carbon
that is something i always loved and if a dev happens to be reading, pls fast clouds
austere egret
That video is from 500_pts, one of the server mods
tawny briar
god speed
speed runs already ?
the world is insane
most people haven't even touched the game
austere egret
thats because you can only get it through an alpha key at the moment
tawny briar
what about the enemies
austere egret
What did you want to know about them?
tawny briar
whats their problem whats the story
crystal vessel
bad guys that are bad and you shoot them
radiant venture
hello
tawny briar
sup
crystal vessel
Cultists of some sort
tawny briar
ya
austere egret
Oh, you know the drill, Crazy Eldergod worshiping cult wants you dead
jade root
Story of dusk? Cultist worshiping lovecraft gods. Go kill them and save the earth
austere egret
things get lovecraftian
radiant venture
when there is game, there is speedrun
jade root
Well yeah
radiant venture
poor Half-Life
jade root
You don't need one
tawny briar
ya half life
austere egret
Its better to have a good story, but you don't really need it
I prefer games with okay stories
radiant venture
it depends on genre for me
crystal vessel
I just want the game to be fun
radiant venture
if it's an action game, the game needs to be tight, then you can have a story
tawny briar
ya all in all
jade root
Gameplay > story
austere egret
^^^
tawny briar
ya
radiant venture
but then you have games like Silent Hill 2 which isn't really a gameplay marvel but that story is so faking gud
radiant venture
^
austere egret
or Mafia 3, that game had such a good story and characters, but its gameplay was glitchy trash
hide behind box, stab enemy, rinse, repeat
tawny briar
one Mafia game had a race part that was hell
radiant venture
but mafia has more gameplay component than SH
radiant venture
I'm not sure what it really is
austere egret
A placeholder I think
austere egret
I doubt it
I remember David saying something about that being removed from the current build
tawny briar
that's sad it looked cool
austere egret
yep
tawny briar
hope fully
austere egret
*hopefully
tawny briar
ok