it was just supposed to be a funny meme
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
mild ginkgo
barren valve
naw this is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svyCX2qHWXU
atomic egret
fuck you scott
atomic egret
:(
exotic ibex
summer otter
@atomic egret
I believe in u
the timesaves exist, its up to your heart to answer your soul in the search for the truth
atomic egret
thank
thorn trout
lol I forgot how ghetto the pre alpha end level screen is
acoustic oriole
we remember it very well :P
thorn trout
new one is 👌 😩
acoustic oriole
looking forward to it 👌
slate edge
Remember the time where the loading screen had the ability to jumpscare?
Reminds me of the time where I made a map in valve hammer editor that was completely dark and I for some reason got uber paranoid when testing it alone.
radiant venture
@thorn trout one thing I never understood, do half-beat bunny hops work in Dusk?
thorn trout
I dunno, what are they? :)
thorn trout
still not sure what they are
mild ginkgo
I don't think so brfld
radiant venture
you strafe in both directions in while in the air
jump -> left -> right -> land -> repeat
mild ginkgo
I'll run some experiments
thorn trout
oh I see. No it doesn't, or at least not intentionally
thorn trout
is bunnyhopping in Dusk too slow?
radiant venture
no it's insanely fast
mild ginkgo
Half of bunyhopping wasn't intentional :p
radiant venture
but it feels kinda awkward for me
because it's based on a different principle from Quake
or Half-Life
thorn trout
hmm is that something that will deter speedrunners?
mild ginkgo
Hard to say, routing and funness of the run are big factors
radiant venture
yeah
mild ginkgo
Running it so far is fun
But it's one level
I expect every level remaining is trash
radiant venture
the problems I generally face with Dusk is that buttons/fuel cans have too small grab hitboxes imo and that it feels a bit slippery
mild ginkgo
JK I played some they're great
thorn trout
Dusk is trash, we all know it, let's just admit it :)
radiant venture
I like running Dusk, even tho it's really fucking hard
mild ginkgo
The buttons are OK because you can shoot them
thorn trout
yeah my thought was that Quake and Half-life etc already exist, so I'd rather make Dusk a unique speedrunning experience with its own stuff rather than just copying Quake etc
radiant venture
that's a good idea
mild ginkgo
I'm hoping there won't be a high reliance on fuel cans, but you never know
thorn trout
so it does have the expected features like bunnyhopping etc but they're all simplified. It's more about other factors
mild ginkgo
Well David does
thorn trout
I don't expect there to be. In ep1 you can get a riveter pretty early on if you know where to look
radiant venture
you never know what speedrunners find
mild ginkgo
Riveter jumping <3
thorn trout
yeah it is :)
radiant venture
why would you want to close the final trap door again?
radiant venture
I've lost at least a dozen to that :b
mild ginkgo
Gotta shoot only once
thorn trout
erm... because I forgot to turn that functionality off :(
radiant venture
hahah 😄
thorn trout
that shouldn't be an issue in actual game
and if it is I'll patch it out
not all buttons can be shot but the ones that can will be one press only
thorn trout
👍
thorn trout
When ep1 comes out I'd love to get feedback about the speedrunning experience of course
ar is 100% accurate on first shot, so it's probably a better choice
radiant venture
yeah, the problem is that the single pistol is more random than the AR
mild ginkgo
Yeah for sure
radiant venture
but probably better than AR because if you hit the button twice, you're fucked
radiant venture
true
mild ginkgo
Pistol is basically guarantee
I can't imagine you won't have pistol from the very start
radiant venture
which wep has the highest DPS? (except riveter ofc)
thorn trout
you can get the pistol in the very first room, although for speed running I expect it won't be viable until level 2
m1 is really short though
mild ginkgo
Yeah I got the pistol at pax, will probably skip it
thorn trout
it's like a 10 second run by me, and I'm not really a speedrunner
radiant venture
won't the riveter be massively OP for 1v1s?
mild ginkgo
Nahhh lol,it only does big damage on direct hits
And your opponent has 100% air control
So very easy to dodge
earnest jacinth
ill just be sitting here
radiant venture
but it has insanely high rate of fire
thorn trout
yeah I was thinking it would be but it actually isn't
mild ginkgo
Limited ammo
thorn trout
:(
radiant venture
true
mild ginkgo
It's pretty balanced in our small testing
radiant venture
it's ok, @earnest jacinth I didn't have Dusk for a VERY long time
thorn trout
and it's simple enough to nurf it if it is
mild ginkgo
Hunting rifle seems strongest at the moment
radiant venture
why?
mild ginkgo
It's basically the railgun
thorn trout
anyhoo I'm out for the moment. Bt back later
earnest jacinth
well first of all, im always too slow for the key, and due to timezones im usually not awake for when the dropping happens
mild ginkgo
Oh it was heavily nerfed for MP
radiant venture
you're one hour later than I
radiant venture
hunting rifle?
radiant venture
yeah, it also fires way quicker than the railgun
mild ginkgo
And there's a haste powerup
earnest jacinth
@radiant venture really? its 6:56 pm for me rn
earnest jacinth
oh well shit
mild ginkgo
@earnest jacinth show up the second Saturday of the month for movie day
earnest jacinth
movie day?
mild ginkgo
We give away keys to a very small group while watching movies, it's very easy to get one
You're only competing with about 15 people
earnest jacinth
huh thats pretty cool
radiant venture
I didn't know about that
mild ginkgo
It's fairly new
radiant venture
I was streaming some defrag when my key dropped
earnest jacinth
nice
mild ginkgo
It'll be the second Saturday of the month
earnest jacinth
there's activity going on in my pants atm
radiant venture
and it was there for like 12 minsbefore I tried it
earnest jacinth
this is good shit
mild ginkgo
Ahhahaha lucky
radiant venture
hahaha I was like "oh lol"
earnest jacinth
if i manage to get dusk, not sure if i should stream it or do a high effort proffesionally edited video about it
or neither
lmao
mild ginkgo
There will be a link posted with an everyone tag, generally they have been on cytube, but we may try a new site this time
You'll know at least a day early
vague egret
@@toxic wadi Movies are on the 2nd Saturday of the month.
Next month is the raid and hardcore Henry
toxic wadi
the raid is good
jade root
hardcore henry is god tier imo
fervent meteor
@thorn trout you should hire notimportant to do the announcer work for dusk
i don't know the exact name of the actor
but he did some work on BUTCHER and this occured to me just now
radiant venture
@mild ginkgo if we would set up a board for Dusk on speedrun.com, wouldn't it make more sense to call the Glitchless category "No OOB" instead?
mild ginkgo
so yes and no
because you can use propjumps to also get a faster time
if you take the fuel can in the starting room up through the secret with AR
you can blow out the back of it
graceful wing
glitchless covers out of bounds too
radiant venture
the problem is that we use a glitch in the glitchless category :p
mild ginkgo
which one?
radiant venture
the freeze skip
graceful wing
the´n it isn't truly glitchless 😛
radiant venture
^
graceful wing
that's just a normal any% run
radiant venture
No OOB would make more sense, then
graceful wing
i spose
mild ginkgo
i guess, the main issue being the propjumps being in the same category as regular runs
because propjump is significantly faster, although heavily exploitative
the skip at the start isnt necessary, we just do it because its easier on resets
radiant venture
or maybe NMG
mild ginkgo
whats NMG?
radiant venture
No Major Glitches
radiant venture
hundo soap
mild ginkgo
i think there will be one on every map of the campaign
radiant venture
👌
mild ginkgo
if i remember what david said correctly
graceful wing
that's the current plan from what i know
mild ginkgo
steam cheevo for beating the game with just soap probs
graceful wing
better ask the man himself since i don't wanna spill anything possibly confidential
mild ginkgo
he has said it before in here im fairly certain
radiant venture
dude, hundo soap sounds like a hilarious category
graceful wing
mmk
radiant venture
can it destroy stuff like the secret block to the spawn?
mild ginkgo
i dont think it opens secrets, but it does break other physics props i think
radiant venture
ah
radiant venture
but for hundo, I'd need to know where the secrets are
mild ginkgo
the secrets shouldnt take longer than a week to map out
routing 30+ levels is gonna be a lot of work lol
radiant venture
you mostly work out a very basic route for each route
and then optimization comes with time as runners find strats
mild ginkgo
yeah, i did most of the routing for current dusk IL
but dusk in that state is strange because there are multiple ways to complete it, like yellow key or blue key, but clearly, yellow is faster
graceful wing
speaking of secrets i actually totally forgot a suggestion i was gonna make
mild ginkgo
heheh
graceful wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iU5El8uSjs&feature=youtu.be this for DUSK with the devs and notable community members 👌
slate edge
I remember finding this
mild ginkgo
ahaha thats awesome
radiant venture
oh shit
mild ginkgo
which one is avain tho
autumn compass
what an absolute pussy slayer
graceful wing
i joined too close to 1.0 to make it on that wall 😦
mild ginkgo
aw
radiant venture
soap hundo% might be REALLY hard
mild ginkgo
yeah this would be great for dusk roflmao
yeah dude its so tiny
and impossible to find after you throw it
radiant venture
yeah
graceful wing
save that link i guess and ping david with it when he shows up 👍
graceful wing
radiant venture
I subbed to avain 👌
graceful wing
you won't really see anything since i just upload unlisted videos but thanks i guess
¯_(ツ)_/¯
radiant venture
👌
radiant venture
DUDE
graceful wing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO2ZJ49be_Q&feature=youtu.be quality avain content
radiant venture
it would be so dope if David pulled a DOOM 2 and made DACON the Dusk-Romero Head
radiant venture
maybe a Dacon-Dave hybrid?
graceful wing
@hollow ivy needs a spot too
radiant venture
imagine a two-headed Dacon Dave amalgamation as an easter egg boss or something
mild ginkgo
roflmao
ive tried to map Dave's face to a dusk model before
boy was that a mistake
radiant venture
ahahaha
graceful wing
what's the polygon count for those models like? never really looked into it
radiant venture
AGHAHHAHAHAHAHA
mild ginkgo
my finest work
mild ginkgo
roflmao
yeah we were all dying when i first posted that image
i was in tears
i couldnt handle what i had just created
autumn compass
jade root
Oh
mild ginkgo
:DaveLass:
jade root
So I'm doing some testing in dusk because I thought of some potential bugs, and I think I discovered to how make ear cancer
mild ginkgo
oh?
autumn compass
radiant venture
you've got my attention
jade root
OH BOY
mild ginkgo
wheres zombie's infinite spawn of wizards
jade root
ITS RECREATABLE
vague egret
STOP VOLUNTEERING ME TO DO STUFF
jade root
AUUUUUUGH
mild ginkgo
that video was GREAT
vague egret
I'm lazy
mild ginkgo
radiant venture
but it's heavily implied, tho 
mild ginkgo
i gotchya
vague egret
For real, of you have emote requests, just PM me the image
mild ginkgo
ill whip it up
graceful wing
sweet. ping me with it whenever
radiant venture
just the face
mild ginkgo
oh ok
radiant venture
otherwise it won't be clear as to what it really is
graceful wing
gonna start eating so i'll be a lil bit inactive. DM me the goods along with a good trigger name when you've got it all ready
mild ginkgo
jade root
K so this bug is a very specific one cause it won't happen naturally but it's still pretty fucking good
mild ginkgo
god, please save daves soul
jade root
Also, using that for avain man
crystal vessel
graceful wing
lol that looks absolutely terrifying. just a sec
jade root
If you idkfa in the starting room and grab the super shotgun secret you get some cool noises
graceful wing
mild ginkgo
ahahahaha
jade root
radiant venture
BEAUTIFUL
mild ginkgo
radiant venture
autumn compass
'
graceful wing
christ
mild ginkgo
jab what is happening
jade root
If you idkfa in the starting room and grab the super shotgun secret you get some cool noises
Go try it
It's 👌
mild ginkgo
OH yeah
radiant venture
how do I idkfa?
jade root
Literally type idkfa
mild ginkgo
there are other cheats too
radiant venture
no console or anything?
jade root
No console
mild ginkgo
@prisma halo has developed one
if its not in final, it can be added with Dawn
slash will be added with dawn
radiant venture
nice
graceful wing
yea console's a gray area for now
mild ginkgo
zombies looked pretty good, but thats up to david/dave
graceful wing
it could easily mess with achievements and such for starters
mild ginkgo
YEAH
thats a problem in 2017 games
youd have to make the proper accomodations, for aknowledging you wont earn achievments when you enable console etc
graceful wing
mhm
toxic wadi
why am i so hyped for dusk. help
mild ginkgo
because its a great game
autumn compass
cuz you like bad games
toxic wadi
i havent played it yet
i think i played the super super old demo that was released on the blog
iirc it wasnt even a playable level, it was just like a test area
mild ginkgo
yep
thats right
not even the same game anymore
id just forget about that
i hope you get a key soon
its really a great time
thorn trout
I think it's pretty good :)
toxic wadi
yeah im holdin out for a key
toxic wadi
need a new "classic" style game to enjoy. new doom was cool, butcher was cool. wrack let me down
graceful wing
we drop them pretty frequently. just be active in chat and there's a pretty good chance you'll get a 🔑
mild ginkgo
🗝
graceful wing
pls no beg tho
mild ginkgo
show up to movie night
its pretty much the best chance
4 keys get dropped in about as many hours
and its 15-30 people youre competing with MAYBE
half of the people watching already have keys
toxic wadi
woah, WOAH. you're telling me not to annoy the devs?? i thought that was a sure fire way to get what you want
graceful wing
that, and whenever you see someone named "el oshcuro" online you'll probably want to have your redeem a key window open
woah.. i like ya already 😛
graceful wing
playing with fire there eh?
jade root
🖐 🔥
thorn trout
I'm way less irritated about being annoyed but I also don't have keys to give out :P
So I dunno what the point would be
graceful wing
actuallyyou almost never get tagged about keys even by the more extreme beggars we've had so that's pretty good
doesn't mean it's any less annoying for the rest of the server though 😦
graceful wing
oh the amount of times people DM the bot about keys though
graceful wing
yep
thorn trout
more will show up when we do something more interesting like release a trailer or start preorders or whatever
graceful wing
and every time someone sends the bot a message i get a DM
graceful wing
so it gets annoying pretty fast.. that's why me and lain are pretty aggressive about no DMs
toxic wadi
I love the idea of pming the bot for a key
graceful wing
versed slate
Holy shit
hexed roost
i wonder who that was
graceful wing
lol
surreal scarab
hexed roost
cough cough cough weed smoke cough @gleaming berry
earnest jacinth
my only chance
gleaming berry
but uhhh
earnest jacinth
i blew it
gleaming berry
Rick and Morty VR is out
earnest jacinth
oh yeah i saw
gleaming berry
toxic wadi
I like that
thick stone
mmm berserk drugs, like good ol BANE
jade root
wow long time no see @thick stone
thick stone
Hello Jabronii-chan 😃
jade root
tf you been doin? eating too much anime?
thick stone
I do nothing but eat anime. Today I bought an anime called Nier Automata for my gamestation 4
jade root
your super gamestation microPC 4?
thick stone
Exactly 😄
Yo when's that PAX or whatever so we can get more DUSK news
I've played the demo level 8,000 times
thick stone
Mmmm good, good
jade root
unless <@&303728615382581249> has another vision quest and changes everything about dusk
🐸
radiant venture
true cypress
Stared into the beach fire all night and now wants to make it a turn based strategy
thorn trout
we have to secretly finish it without Dave's knowledge
he decides it needs to be a universe exploration simulator
mild ginkgo
no mans dusk
thorn trout
^^^
woeful sonnet
Well than!
woeful sonnet
Its... Happening...
jade root
?
coral basin
So wait DUSK dude is now an Assassin from the Creed using berserk darts to make his enemies infight
that was one of my favorite things to do in the Assassin Creed games honestly
make someone go beserk and have them all infighting eachother
especially since it was like a contagion so the beserker would cause others to go zerk too
jade root
You also now have to climb a tower in every level to get a map
acoustic oriole
@thorn trout do dead bodies still block gunfire in the latest build? Or do they at least have a smaller hitbox? In the pre-alpha their hitboxes are pretty big, sometimes resulting in failure to hit enemies which are standing behind them, even though you're not aiming at the body itself.
Not every body, of course. The problem is mostly with the larger enemies.
coral basin
@jade root climb those towers to get a map so you can find red/blue/gold keys
coral basin
I just wanna flush toilets dude
crimson folio
^
peak igloo
i guess ill be a janitor
toxic wadi
tower climbing? hell yea dude... i love ubisoft games
woeful sonnet
#Jabronii-chan
Well I did not mean to send that.😝
I hate this keyboard
But I was saying well then to dusk now being half life 3
jade root
Ah
thorn trout
@acoustic oriole they can still block bullets but I honestly haven't noticed this being an issue while testing, so you'll have to see when ep1 comes out
acoustic oriole
alright, thanks, David
peak igloo
will dusk feature dynamic in game advertizing
crimson folio
dorite*
peak igloo
will dusk feature non-memetic dynamic in game advertizing
crimson folio
have an advertisement for Strafe
peak igloo
thats acceptable
toxic wadi
man i wish strafe wasnt random gen. i feel like thats not gonna work out that well but who knows
graceful wing
offer dusk for free but have video ads play every time you beat a level or restart
@thorn trout
toxic wadi
mobile dusk
graceful wing
dusk - appstore edition
barren valve
Kek
toxic wadi
"sorry, you need to buy more energy tokens to play that level. try again in 72 hours"
barren valve
What about hats? Will dusk have hats? It needs hats
peak igloo
tbh strafe and to an extent dusk harks so much on old school stuff and that nostalgia kick of stuff like quake and doom but i fear that rather than being a true old school shooter itll be an old school shooter in spirit
graceful wing
would you like to buy an instant health refill for 0.50$?
peak igloo
id love to see a new fps made with old stuff or with restrictions applied to see how far they can push their creation within the constraints
thorn trout
Strafe is a roguelite with elements of oldschool shooters. I think judging it as purely an oldschool shooter is doing it a disservice
peak igloo
in terms of dusk then
its gonna look good and the alphas were fun but it doesnt, hmm
idk somethin about it
crystal vessel
So what sort of stuff do you actually like
barren valve
Wait strafe was a rogue lite? Never heard of a fps rogue lite. Am interested now.
jade root
Bleh
thorn trout
Dusk is as faithful to the classics as I can make it
peak igloo
perhaps i feel like dusk is relying so much on how it feels nostalgically that its not gonna have its own identity
thorn trout
@barren valve yup!
@peak igloo well that's definitely a concern. It's a fine line to walk, trying to ensure it plays as much like the classics as possible but also making it its own thing.
jade root
It feels different enough
thorn trout
I personally think we've given Dusk its own unique identity
crimson folio
tbh i have never played any old school shooters
jade root
The setting and weapons give it an identity
thorn trout
while still having a lot of elements taken from older shooters
toxic wadi
i havent seen a whole lot of gameplay but i like the "fighting redneck" type shit you guys have going on. plus guys with chainsaws are cool
peak igloo
i am going off by the free alphas tbh but personally i feel like its almost... too much like as if it were a quake mod
thorn trout
there's a lot of elements big and small that you don't see in other games
crimson folio
i can't pick up the enemies chainsaws
thorn trout
I mean I'm the dev, so I'm biased. You'll have see what other people say :)
jade root
It feels different, the test demos don't do the game justice
wraith relic
how much lore does gam have
jade root
As much as doom
And if you are getting it for the story, you're getting it for the wrong reason
peak igloo
like i said man im just goin by what ive seen and played, i think so far the way that it is with its speed but its setting, but as well as the fancy features
crystal vessel
I need my story driven practically on rails fps
peak igloo
it feels like a better blood 2
crystal vessel
wat
toxic wadi
man i hope theres no cutscenes
thorn trout
there's some lore, including Doom-esque end level screens
toxic wadi
my favorite thing about those old fps games is hitting new game and blowing shit up instantly
graceful wing
if you've only played the concept demos then you can pretty much take all the impressions you got from those and throw them out
the game's come a long way since those were released
thorn trout
@peak igloo well, let's see... there are the flips, of course, and I'm taking some design wisdom from immersive sims like Deus Ex and Thief as well as old FPS, so in some areas there are different ways of approaching an obstacle (sometimes exploiting the game is one of them), and there's a lot of environmental interaction. The movement is speedier than a lot of older games as well. The setting is varied and unique (no FPS from the 90s set in backwoods appalacia other than Redneck Rampage, takes elements from STALKER later on). And there are assorted little things.
yeah that's why I didn't want to give people the demos tbh. I figured something like this would happen
peak igloo
the flips might be its most unique so far
thorn trout
and I mean, there's a lot of little stuff... giving it its own personality has been a high priority for awhile now.
thorn trout
oh yeah, and soap is the most powerful weapon in the game
thorn trout
I've definitely indulged my crazy side in some areas
wraith relic
since we have crossbow from heretic
jade root
Also the game takes place on the moon, you can tell because of the physics :^)
wraith relic
maybe turn the sword into Quietus from hexen
toxic wadi
i fucking love that redneck rampage is an influence for this
thorn trout
tl;dr it's definitely going to play similar to the games it's emulating, but there are a lot of things that set it apart
jade root
The weapons are set and stone
mild ginkgo
and its out of love for those games obviously
like we WANT it to play like those games
wraith relic
lol ik i wasn't srsly saying
peak igloo
i guess thats just how things go, perhaps it might be the advertizing
tho in the grand scheme of things you're kinda fucked into doing that kind of advertizing
barren valve
Bring arena shooters back.. Pls
mild ginkgo
not sure i understand what you mean by the advertising
thorn trout
Well, @peak igloo , the intended audience is people (like me) who have been wanting a throwback to Doom/Quake/etc. Something that brings back those design elements that have been forgotten (handcrafted levels, smooth speedy combat, etc).
barren valve
^
peak igloo
oh no, and trust me I am definitely part of the intended audience
i will say its more blood than those alformentioned but still
but what i meant is, heck even the naming convention
blood came out and was advertized as blood, an fps with a unique setting
it wasnt advertized as "ww1 quake!!!"
jade root
Wait what
thorn trout
yeah true, but Blood came out in a different time
wraith relic
if whoever's holding that license actually wants to do something with it
i think they could make some kind of prequel Blood
peak igloo
i guess im like, a lot of shooters that are indie are doin that a lot lately, turtling almost too much on the past to actually advertize itself vs. being its sort of old thing
mild ginkgo
ahahah weve had the blood convo 100 times @wraith relic
wraith relic
since Caleb lived in like the 1800s before being sent to the grave until 1920s
mild ginkgo
its VERY expensive rights
wraith relic
ya well
peak igloo
and in the grand scheme of things like
profit is profit
its a passion project but you are also in the business of, yknow, living ahaha
thorn trout
Well I think in this case a) it's not a cash grab, since it's something I've literally wanted to do since I was 14, and b) the audience it's intended for isn't really being served as of right now
peak igloo
oh no i dont think it is a cash grab
thorn trout
there are FPS with retro influences but not really any that focus on the philosophy of old fps
peak igloo
i think its more you gotta do it to help sell it
thorn trout
I do agree that it's a very weird place to be in though, where I'm trying to make something just like games that already exist AND make it something unique.
so is it specifically that advertising you take issue with in this case?
peak igloo
like i think strafe will be a fun game, but the first trailers and proceeding ones its like, "PARTY LIKE ITS 1996" and im like "yeah but tell me about you not what my past woulda thought about u"
thats prolly what it is in the long run
thorn trout
mmh hmm
peak igloo
ur trying to sell a product, and in the end it works
but at the same time i guess im the minority cuz ive been over exposed to a lot of classic shooter stuffs
thorn trout
that's basically it. We were trying to easily communicate what the target audience would want to know about the game. In this case, it's like Quake, Doom, Redneck Rampage, etc
Because that's the main idea behind Dusk.
bringing that stuff back
a trailer focusing on what makes it NOT like those games wouldn't have really told the audience what they needed to know
jade root
Gotta trust Dave on his marketing
peak igloo
could it be a timing thing too perhaps?
like "bringing it back" when a lot of games are doin the whole "bringing it back" thing
heck that seems to be a lot of things when it comes to games, esp shooters
with that WW2 cod announced its all "BRINGIN IT BACK"
thorn trout
heh yeah
peak igloo
one thing tho about the trailers
thorn trout
don't worry, there's a part of me that hates having to be a part of a trend :)
peak igloo
ur actually in the unique position to advertize or make a video like that, and still not hamper the image of it
thorn trout
but like I said this is something I've been passionate about doing for more than a decade now
peak igloo
with all the other videos, first had impressions, etc
you could in theory do a video that shows it "for what it is"
thorn trout
I'd also say that there aren't actually very many FPS doing that
Strafe is really the only other one banking on nostalgia as it were
and there's not even that many that have retro influences
crisp nimbus
I have been waiting for this kind of game to come back. cant wait for the speedrunning to begin, along with other things
leaden urchin
most fps today are embracing the tactical hide n seek instagib trend Counter strike started, which leave lil to no dueling between opponents
thorn trout
as far as retro influenced, there's... well singleplayer-wise recently I can only think of Doom, Gibhard, Strafe, and... umm... MAYBE Shadow Warrior 2? Not really much but...
toxic wadi
shadow warrior 2 yeah kinda. more of a looter shooter though
thorn trout
oh I suppose Intrude was enough of a thing to count
peak igloo
strafe is the big one, but theres a lot of lil ones on the fly too
wraith relic
GUN GODZ
peak igloo
lemme go diggin in my twitter replies lmao
thorn trout
Oh there's Ken's Labyrinth II and that Bombshell game I keep forgetting the name of too
peak igloo
oh yea the bombshell prequel
autumn compass
i would love to play gun godz
peak igloo
it makes one nudge of being "an old school shooter using the build engine" but everything about it from theron out is its own thing
thorn trout
I can't wait for that. It looks great
leaden urchin
playing the new Doom spoiled me and now i cant enjoy most shooters because of it
mild ginkgo
bombshell game in unnamed
thorn trout
really?
mild ginkgo
yeah
thorn trout
oh welp
peak igloo
u see what i mean with how its advertized tho? mentally it feels fresh but realistically its just anouther build game
advertizing is a weird universe
thorn trout
That's why Dave is in charge of it, not me :)
jade root
Dave is good at what he does
mild ginkgo
dave manage to sell Rise of the triad to the modern world
think about that for a second
thats INSANE
LOOK AT ROTT
jade root
I give him shit, but he's good at what he does
mild ginkgo
ITS FLOATING DISC PLATFORMS AND DOG MODE
peak igloo
i'd be lying if sometimes i admit the advertizercan make or break
jade root
plz stop with the z
thorn trout
@mild ginkgo this is very true. And it's also one of the most broken playable FPS ever made
jade root
It's advertising
peak igloo
dave does a great job but sometimes can bring in the wrong sort of crowd
peak igloo
i remember he did a lot of things like doin dumb triggered" jokes when it was just starting out and I had to actually be like "hey dont be a dumb advertizer??"
thankfully he hasnt since
jade root
ohmygod Teef why
crystal vessel
British spelling so I guess he's a tea
peak igloo
because no matter what your opinion is on that you have to understand that it is absolutely abhorrent from a business standpoint
jade root
it's driving me insane
peak igloo
ah its just old stuff but ill try not to, its habitual
jade root
Fair enough
peak igloo
in this day a big social presence can make or break a product too
thorn trout
Dave is Dave. He's his own person. Thus far his personality hasn't ruined anything he's worked on so shrug
quite the opposite
everyone loves Dave
apparently he has just the right amount of edginess :D
peak igloo
here's the thing tho
leaden urchin
when you think about it, Presentation being more important than delivery is kinda fucked up.
jade root
^
It doesn't matter how shitty the product is, if you can convince people to buy it, you've succeeded
peak igloo
everyone loves dave... in his circle. plop dave with the usual joke mideset in other places and it could make or break. i think he's a pretty rad guy and does a great job, but whilst you or i can see the irony, stuff like the "literally god" can show off to other potential customers that hey this guy has an ego (even tho you or I know he doesnt but im talking from the random outsider)
leaden urchin
then again were condition the get hyped for stuff thats coming out based on expectations alone, rather than enjoy the good that already avaiable to us
peak igloo
shit a good example is that jim sterling guy who, god I love him, but every single time he has to make things so bombastic to remind that "hey this is a gig its my character" and even has to say it in person a lot
thorn trout
@peak igloo Dave's circle is literally everyone though.
because he knows everyone
in the world
it's insane
jade root
His connections are insane
peak igloo
now is that thru osmosis or by pushing his name out there in a hella intense lamost a bit euch kinda way
gleaming berry
BUT I AM LITERALLY GOD
thorn trout
oh hey, it's Dave :)
jade root
His ego needs some work though
crystal vessel
dave lov u bb thanks for last night
peak igloo
hey dave im critiquing how you approach things to outsiders besides u or i how u doin
jade root
Jumping from his ego to his iq would kill a man
gleaming berry
I appreciate the feedback @peak igloo and I'm usually pretty good about not rubbing people the wrong way
mild ginkgo
confirmed dave is <@&303728615382581249>
gleaming berry
I'd say like 90% of the time
which is pretty good
Solid 4.3/10 of the time
5/7 of the time
4/20 of the time
peak igloo
see tho thats why in the long time i actually like dave because, yea i mean you or I know it, but he's a good advertizer
gleaming berry
graceful wing
jade root
End these memes
peak igloo
@gleaming berry im ngl i still think u got some steps to go, and tbh im not the best one to think about it cuz i havnt really done what u do as a job, but in the end its the willingness to grow is what ends up working in ur favor
u do a lot better than u did months ago man
slate edge
radiant venture
👌
gleaming berry
I aim to improve in every way, every day 😃
peak igloo
im that "vocal minority" who just sounds like he sassin but honestly i just want products to be their best
for what they are
leaden urchin
ideally for me, i want this game to be a Challenge that isnt riddled with BS that is just there to make it artificially harder
peak igloo
and when its something im enthusiastic about i will critique if its something that i got a passion for
i think dusk is gonna be great in the grand scheme of things either way
gleaming berry
the challenge achievements are there for that
no BS challenge in the game
just kill and progress
but the challenge is there if you want it
and speedrunning ofc
leaden urchin
if i move, reflect properly, can i technically avoid all form of damage?
radiant venture
Dusk is actually challenging
gleaming berry
also DUSKMARE mode
thorn trout
Dusk can be as easy or as difficult as you want to make it
gleaming berry
if feels pretty right on CERO MIEDO right now for us old school types
peak igloo
see even a name like that makes me go "awh come on guys"
barren valve
Achievement: get Speedruns WR
peak igloo
i like how doom 4 did chieveos
tough but not bullshit
beat the first level on nightmare is good enuf
crystal vessel
Doom's achievements weren't even tough
radiant venture
@barren valve I'm working on it
leaden urchin
Doom 2016 would be a good example of the challenge im seeking, i feel it went into the right direction
crimson folio
I used to have 100% too, until they added more bullshit multiplayer achievements
peak igloo
to u or I, but my dad who plays a fuck ton of games was having a hard time getting thru even level 1 in nightmare
leaden urchin
Nightmare and UN feel hard but fair in all the right ways
crystal vessel
I 100% DOom 4 until MP achievements showed up
leaden urchin
though i wanted longer/harder fights personally
thorn trout
@peak igloo Dusk has an "Accessible" difficulty option that's purposely designed for people who don't play PC games or have physical disabilities of some sort
Dusk is for everyone!
toxic wadi
i like that
crimson folio
Like Polygon reviewers?
leaden urchin
how will you guys go about difficulty? reduce damage values? or will you actually change the AIs behaviour and paterns used?
barren valve
I bet ign will give dusk a 10/10 Keepo
peak igloo
ppl bash polygon for that doom video so much but they gave doom 4 an 8.5 so im like ??? if its a game they werent' able to play wouldnt they give it a lower score?????????
crystal vessel
They still sucked
peak igloo
that video was hella shitty yea but dude
thorn trout
@crimson folio everyone :)
toxic wadi
watching that video was like eating a pile of rocks
peak igloo
they had fun and they got better at it
crimson folio
Maybe they knew people would accuse them of clickbait if they gave it a lower score
peak igloo
aint that what matters
leaden urchin
why are the people that critique/review our games generaly bad at them?
crystal vessel
They still sucked massive dong
peak igloo
well idk about u man but if im having a good time ill suck a massive dong
toxic wadi
tbh if you are a professional game reviewer you should probably be able to actually play the game somewhat well
crystal vessel
Exactly
peak igloo
see but then you get into weird chats asbout accessability and oh the list goes on
crystal vessel
If you're gonna review games don't play like an 85 year old with one hand
leaden urchin
id dare to say the same about game designers, ud be surprised how bad some devs are at their own games
crimson folio
"Profesional" game reviewers shouldn't play games on anything lower than Normal
peak igloo
was that doom 4 polygon video bad? yea it was, the maker even admitted to it
he got better tho
and thats why he gave it a good score
gleaming berry
well the person who played that video didnt review the game
two very separate things
peak igloo
o realy? ah thats disheartening
crystal vessel
lol rip
peak igloo
i do wonder if the video maker did get better then
gleaming berry
The girl who played the preview was a video editor unfamiliar with the controls and had like a few hours to get video made or something
and nobody double checked the video
crimson folio
It was a girl?
gleaming berry
and they put it up without seeing if the gameplay was any good
leaden urchin
"Proffesionals"
gleaming berry
In an effort to get the gameplay up ASAP they didn't really see if it was quality gameplay iirc
but the final review was done by one of their veteran reviewers
the moral of the story is
NEVER RUSH
radiant venture
I always rush
peak igloo
see thats why i feel bad for reviewers
radiant venture
I want that 55 glitchless
leaden urchin
Attention to Detail is what turns a mediocre game into a Great one
peak igloo
cuz it could be advertizer publishers it could be the huge backlog
but easy and normal are there for more than just the casual crew
gleaming berry
I mean I used to review games and I really only reviewed ones I was interested in
crimson folio
But playing on those difficulties is normally a waste of time since you miss out on a lot of the game's mechanics
peak igloo
see i wish more reviewers would let the people making the reviews review what they want/are good at
gleaming berry
well, when it comes to BIG media outlets
crimson folio
For example, a lot of reviewers say Serious Sam is a mindless game and I can't fathom how anyone could say that unless they were playing on Tourist
gleaming berry
it's also a matter of time/resources
theres a jillion games
only so many editors
with so much time
etc etc
Which is why more and more consumers are going to YouTube/Twitch personalities for reviews
they do multiple part series
thorn trout
I was never mad at Polygon for the Doom preview tbh, I just thought it was funny to feel the panic of the person behind the controls. I don't see why everything always has to turn into drama.
gleaming berry
and can give growing opinions
instead of someone who has 3 days to play and write 1500 words about a game
red abyss
@thorn trout Because drama can generate clicks. 😛
peak igloo
i just feel bad for the reviewer
toxic wadi
it is a silly thing to get mad about. embarassing for the reviewer though, yeah
thorn trout
So it couldn't just stay "lol poor Polygon previewer" it had to turn into some big nothing blowup about games coverage
thorn trout
same with ME:A animations. It was fun until people actually made it a big deal rather than just something humorous
gleaming berry
FRUSTUM
crimson folio
Well 3 days is a lot of some games, like most modern FPS games
gleaming berry
CULLING
thorn trout
and Frustum Culling
mild ginkgo
ill cull your frustum
peak igloo
and u kno there was a lot of ppl just bashin straight up that "lol its a girl reviewing it" and then do some callout shit and eugh
toxic wadi
the horizon zero dawn thing, right?
mild ginkgo
did you see unity fired shots?
gleaming berry
to be fair the Andromeda facial animations did look bloody awful. Give me 50 million dollars to make a game and the facial animations are gonna be 👌
peak igloo
long story short lets just give the honest ppl the benefit of the doubt sometimes
mild ginkgo
they #humblebragged about their occlusion culling
red abyss
I only cull with free-range frustums. EA just uses non-PETA approved farms.
toxic wadi
i had programmer buddies linking that gif to me and not knowing what it even was, one of them was talking about how the game "generates the world as you look around" 👀
peak igloo
you know what the worst thing was tho
thorn trout
@gleaming berry oh yeah definitely, I just don't see why that had to turn into attacking individuals
gleaming berry
NOT ONE OF US KNEW IT WAS CALLED FRUSTUM CULLIN
toxic wadi
lmao really
peak igloo
people were yelling... at the employee reviews... for EA employees that had for their company...
mild ginkgo
yes because of specific shader code i did in the past
frustum culling had to be in the wheelhouse
red abyss
I only learned that because I spent a year working for a company that was building a game engine. And was embedded with the graphics/rendering team.
peak igloo
they were yelling cuz, and i quote, "they gave them too much freedom!! no crunch time!!"
toxic wadi
no, i said really to nobody knowing
peak igloo
like how shitty do u have to BE
apparently in the 10+ years of that EA fiasco they changed their game up wholesale
those reviews were like, wow EA actually looks great to work for
toxic wadi
i knew what it was too, maybe we can both bully people on twitter together 500
jade root
No bullying
mild ginkgo
if you dont work on low level code, theres very little reason to know about frustum culling
you know that a camera sees what a camera sees
red abyss
^^^
verbal sand
well it may just be that during those 5 years they were occupied with other things
gleaming berry
yeah like I knew what was happening but as a producer/marketing guy I would never know the term for it
toxic wadi
yeah
gleaming berry
but then hipster indie devs gotta chime in
mild ginkgo
mhm
gleaming berry
"WELL ACTUALLY"
mild ginkgo
O C C L U S I O N C U L L I N G
toxic wadi
theres no reason to ever consider it unless you're a big ass engine nerd
peak igloo
man u want great advertizing
verbal sand
maybe its just incompetence
peak igloo
look fresh as fuck and be sweet as fuck
covert swift
lol
gleaming berry
on the other hand Horizon looks super good and Guerilla clearly knows how to optimize for PS4
culling aside
toxic wadi
yep
you gotta squeeze that console as much as possible and they did a really good job
gleaming berry
I thought Guerilla was going down after the awful launch game
what was it called?
leaden urchin
isnt optimizing easier when u know the specs will ALWAYS be the same?
peak igloo
https://twitter.com/_Teejay5 shit dude i followed this guy cuz he looked fucken great, then turns out oh he is great and we talked, and then i like, bought one of his games and EY they're p.decent!! basically look good and u win
Twitter
verbal sand
yes
toxic wadi
killzone shadow fall or some shit
crimson folio
Killzone?
gleaming berry
yeah shadow fall
toxic wadi
yeah the ps4 launch title
gleaming berry
BLEGH
toxic wadi
killzone 2 and 3 were SO fucking cool. how did they mess it up
crimson folio
Huh that was 4 years ago and they haven't made a game since then
earnest jacinth
i played killzone 2 or 3 i think, pretty fun
gleaming berry
well now they made Horizon so they're back on top
BRING TO PC PLS
never happens
verbal sand
psnow
leaden urchin
dont expect bayo 2 any time soon
crimson folio
I'd rather get Halo remastered tvh
earnest jacinth
huh, never knew bayonetta had a pc port
mild ginkgo
but TECHNOLOGICALLY it was a REALLY important thing
earnest jacinth
oh wait
mild ginkgo
it was how they learned the ps4, and did a lot of really pioneering stuff in that game
earnest jacinth
i think i didnt know about the pc port since it was made this month lol
mild ginkgo
go read the shadows fall postmortem
barren valve
@thorn trout what game of your would you recommend getting?
toxic wadi
didnt that game have some kind of like realtime GI bullshit
mild ginkgo
closer to checkerboard
toxic wadi
almost every ps4 pro game uses checkerboard rendering / temporal filtering now
that is big
mild ginkgo
yeah it was the first game to do it
at the time it was considered "secret sauce"
literally
thorn trout
@barren valve I'd suggest THe Moon Sliver + The Music Machine bundle since the stories are linked, or if you want to just play one go for The Music Machine since I think it's the best and works as a standalone story for the most part.
toxic wadi
raytraced reflections wtf
barren valve
Aight
toxic wadi
guerilla and naughty dog are like literally wizards
peak igloo
im kinda glad i didnt get into gamedev
mild ginkgo
people bash shadow fall
peak igloo
its not the creation aspect its the everything around it aspect
mild ginkgo
but technologicallyy they SMASHED IT out of the park
toxic wadi
we should prob go to general lmao
peak igloo
like i think jef could use a break from having over 5000 unity hours
thorn trout
I could yes
thorn trout
oh dear
crimson folio
You're already dead inside
barren valve
Rip
peak igloo
dorta is baed
acoustic oriole
HOTS is fun. casual, but fun.
graceful wing
hots is too casualized and has severe balance problems for me to care about it
mild ginkgo
at certain levels you pick between two talents that modify your abilities
just like hots
leaden urchin
sounds like Overwatch to me
mild ginkgo
graceful wing
yea let's switch