#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

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prisma halo
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it's a "maybe"

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"if it comes to that"

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like, it may or may not happen

exotic ibex
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situationaly maybe

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i understand

lavish galleon
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The last one ๐Ÿ‘Œ

prisma halo
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now you should do one for Hell on Earth

atomic egret
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it was a group effort

crimson folio
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I liked knee deep in Dave more

prisma halo
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just copy what the others have but change the map to MAP01

exotic ibex
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i think you shoudl rename e1 to knee-deep in the dave

prisma halo
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should change the name of Hell on Earth automatically

mild ginkgo
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i only got secret sgs builds :'( why cant i get duks builds

atomic egret
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ok one sec

exotic ibex
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having two episodes have key in it feels weird

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at least to me

lavish galleon
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Thy key consumed is just... Amazing

exotic ibex
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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

crimson folio
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At least zombie and you have something @mild ginkgo

lavish galleon
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Key swap needs to be changed

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Key deep*

exotic ibex
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i cant remember if thy key consumed was me or @prisma halo

crimson folio
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But I'm not jealous

atomic egret
prisma halo
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mine was Key-Deep in the Dead

crimson folio
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Just wait till Dave starts sending me countless TWR builds

prisma halo
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why not Key-Deep in the Dave

exotic ibex
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now i need to scroll up and find out

crimson folio
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Cuz I have so many friends B) DAVE

exotic ibex
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cause i need to know now

atomic egret
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doesn't feel right @prisma halo

neat shadow
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well I'm back

lavish galleon
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"key dump in the Dusk"

atomic egret
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oh god

exotic ibex
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ye dat was me

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lmao i couldnt remember

crimson folio
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Btw

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DAVE is this server's kappa

lavish galleon
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You just need to get audio bytes of Dave speaking and make that the music, pitch it

atomic egret
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it's midi so that's actually pretty easy

exotic ibex
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theres audio thats queued for when doomguy gets hit

crimson folio
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I SPILL MY DRINK

neat shadow
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full on Bobby prince ytpmv pliz

prisma halo
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also you guys would be surprised how much unused stuff you can find in the 4 old builds that were given out publicly

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and in the pre pre pre alpha too

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there's an entire functional unused weapon

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in the pre pre pre alpha

lavish galleon
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I know Gilby, I was around for some of the original great Doom mods

exotic ibex
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id look if it were easy for an SDK illeterate idiot like me

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and english idiot

crimson folio
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How do I access the cut weapon?

exotic ibex
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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป spelling is hard

prisma halo
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you need to edit the assembly

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and modify SelectionScript and AttackScript

exotic ibex
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david nor dave will know

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zombie

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leak it

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LEAK IT

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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

crimson folio
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I mean

prisma halo
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I already showed off the weapon's model

crimson folio
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I know what to

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Kinda

atomic egret
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I need to get pictures of dave from every angle to edit onto the mobs

crimson folio
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I just don't know which tools to use

prisma halo
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ILSpy

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with the Reflexil plugin

crimson folio
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Check his twitter @atomic egret

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Hmm

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Nah, too lazy rn

prisma halo
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hold on lemme see if I still have the Amulet code active

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I'll send a screenie

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(I doubt it's active)

exotic ibex
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so consorted effort

prisma halo
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actually hmm

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one moment

exotic ibex
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if dave drops a key tomorrow around the same time

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we should all try and get the key off the window as quickly as possible

crimson folio
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Yes

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I'll be here

exotic ibex
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just saying inane shit and when its confirmed to be redeemed then we can delete our babbling

crimson folio
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#EU

exotic ibex
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#neet

crimson folio
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What's your timezone?

exotic ibex
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mountain. idk the acronym

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its 3:51 am

crimson folio
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Woah

atomic egret
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dave should put more pictures of himself on twitter :/

crimson folio
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Thought I was 10 hours ahead of "mountain"

wraith cape
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i remember being a mountain man.

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them were the days.

crimson folio
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Thelastdisciple

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Who are you?

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Who's your sensei?

exotic ibex
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LURRRRRRKERRRRRRRRRR

wraith cape
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discord newb

crimson folio
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๐Ÿ—ก๏ธ ๐Ÿ‘‹

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Herpes catch

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He could be dangerous

atomic egret
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@mild ginkgo you're gonna see dave at pax right?

mild ginkgo
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think so yeah

wraith cape
exotic ibex
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do the thing

mild ginkgo
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i still havent a ticket but hoping so yes

exotic ibex
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you already know what hes gonna ask

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do the thing for a buddy guy

mild ginkgo
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ill make sure to stab him in the gut

atomic egret
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could you do me a favor and take some pics of him from the back if I don't have any by then

exotic ibex
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lmao

crimson folio
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Lol

mild ginkgo
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yeah sure

exotic ibex
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not what i though

atomic egret
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and other weird angles

crimson folio
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Lolx3

mild ginkgo
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ill get all 8 directions for doom sprites

atomic egret
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cheers

exotic ibex
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was sure you were gonna have 500 ask for a key for you

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not that

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lmao

atomic egret
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ultimate dave is #1 priority now

wraith cape
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bfdave9000

atomic egret
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I had a thought

neat shadow
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someone needs to draw a lurker enemy then

crimson folio
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Make a green sprite of a huge key

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And use it as an energy blast from bfdave9000

atomic egret
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replace the keycards with already-redeemed keycodes

crimson folio
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Lol

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How would that work

atomic egret
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no idea

prisma halo
atomic egret
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ooo hexen-y

untold hearth
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wow

crimson folio
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0_0

prisma halo
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I can record a video if you wish

atomic egret
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gimme a sec I gotta find the bfg textures

untold hearth
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@prisma halo yes please

neat shadow
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pliz do

atomic egret
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do it

crimson folio
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I was gonna say "nah, don't get bothered for me"

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Lol

atomic egret
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I found the bfg textures

wraith cape
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im legit stoked for dusk tho

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old school shooters โค

atomic egret
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most people here are lol

wraith cape
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i know, i like to state teh obvious.

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i am captain of obvious things.

true cypress
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what's the record for all kills and secrets?

neat shadow
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did someone ever aimed for it?

atomic egret
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knowing him 500 probably has it

exotic ibex
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what did david say the amulet was replaced by?

prisma halo
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crossbow takes up its slot

exotic ibex
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ah right

prisma halo
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but the crossbow isn't its "replacement"

mild ginkgo
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kills and secrets? like speedrun to 100%?

neat shadow
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looks like machine gun 2.0

exotic ibex
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oh?

true cypress
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yeah 100%

prisma halo
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the crossbow actually replaced the chainsaw

mild ginkgo
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i dont think theres been a 100% category yet

true cypress
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oh whack

mild ginkgo
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go set the record yourself

true cypress
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hahaha mine is 18:48

exotic ibex
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d-does that mea amulet can make a comeback?

true cypress
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got a while before i can do faster stuff

mild ginkgo
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you could get that to 3 mins or less easy

prisma halo
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I doubt it'd be added back in the main game

mild ginkgo
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i think

prisma halo
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David's pretty satisfied with the weapons as-is

exotic ibex
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maybe he might finish it post launch for mod content?

true cypress
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i gotta play more and memorise everything

exotic ibex
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id like to see it implemented.

prisma halo
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I could make a beta mod or something I guess

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restore some beta content

exotic ibex
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porvided it had some unique aspect

prisma halo
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there are like 3 cut enemies in there already

exotic ibex
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do et

neat shadow
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dusk delta

exotic ibex
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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

prisma halo
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one of the enemies are practically fully functional

exotic ibex
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later, of course

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but do it

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which one?

prisma halo
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minus a death animation

exotic ibex
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datlass >?

prisma halo
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'tis a secret, in case it gets used in the final game :p

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and no, it's not the meat lass

peak igloo
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ok so

exotic ibex
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ah okie doke

peak igloo
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im lookin at this staff weapon

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and im ngl theres somethin

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not satisfying about it?

prisma halo
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it feels pretty satisfying to actually use

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it has a "plasma shotgun" attack that I couldn't restore properly

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so just the regular ol' plasma rifle-esque attack is there

peak igloo
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its gotta be the firing sound

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it doesnt fit a staff

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idk

prisma halo
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probably

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feels pretty punchy when you actually use it though

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I guess it doesn't matter though, the weapon's cut

neat shadow
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btw I hope we'll get to fight the flaming thing in the trailer

prisma halo
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flaming thing?

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you mean the giant horse thing?

neat shadow
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ye

exotic ibex
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thats likely E1s end boss or something

prisma halo
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the model for that is in the files :^)

exotic ibex
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its very similar to an enemy we'll see in the next build

neat shadow
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Is there Dave's head in it as a weakpoint?

prisma halo
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kek

neat shadow
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you need to beat him to win the game but distorted instead of reversed

peak igloo
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it just feels like it'd fit an actual plasma gun

prisma halo
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to win the game, you must buy rott 2013

peak igloo
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or if its goin for the 1900s feel, tesla gun like in blood

prisma halo
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this staff (amulet) is actually just a reskin of yet another cut weapon

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the totem

untold hearth
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pics?

mild ginkgo
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its just a thingy

prisma halo
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it's in two of the publicly available alphas

mild ginkgo
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that shoots thingys

prisma halo
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the plasma shotgun attack is intact there, if you want to see it

untold hearth
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i love thingys

prisma halo
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you click once instead of holding fire to do that

neat shadow
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like in Devil daggers?

exotic ibex
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you should just make an easy video documenting all the cut content

prisma halo
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it'd take me ages

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a TCRF article on Dusk would be huge

exotic ibex
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lmao

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it would be interesting though

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maybe david might actually put it together

prisma halo
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there's a TON of cut content I haven't even told you guys about yet

exotic ibex
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well

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go on

prisma halo
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it's more fun to drip-feed people

exotic ibex
prisma halo
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plus I don't want to spoil anything if David decides to actually use some of it

exotic ibex
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kill zombie

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KILL

mild ginkgo
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david has leaked a fair amount of it as well

exotic ibex
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true

prisma halo
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there are a bunch of unused maps too

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trailermockup1, a1m6, etc

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a1m2 is the pre pre pre alpha level

exotic ibex
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you should show trailermockup1

prisma halo
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it's just a room with a fountain and 3 AI-disabled mages

exotic ibex
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ah

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still interested in a screenshot though

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i like those maps

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they're interesting damnit

prisma halo
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lmao

exotic ibex
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INTERESTING

prisma halo
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how about this

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one moment

exotic ibex
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i really hope that all the cut content gets publicly added to TCRF after launch though.

prisma halo
exotic ibex
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it would be a shame to have some of it vanish

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?arms

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arms

prisma halo
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ye

exotic ibex
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im glad

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those are gone

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thats bad

prisma halo
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Yeah, David was experimenting with them

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and while they look fine on the sickles

exotic ibex
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the lack of arms really fits dusk

prisma halo
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(that frame doesn't do them justice)

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they looked bad on other guns, I'm told

exotic ibex
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fuckin

prisma halo
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models are still in the files though so a quick Dawn hook let me restore them

exotic ibex
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if i had a job i would pay david to add all of dusks cut shit to tcrf

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theres still hope though

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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

prisma halo
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hahahaha

exotic ibex
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nah seriously

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i love cut content

prisma halo
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oh boy is there a lot of it

exotic ibex
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i've spent days going through tcrf just hitting random page

prisma halo
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I wrote the Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project & Shadow Warrior 2 TCRF articles

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the SW2 one is SUPER incomplete though

peak igloo
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problem is simply cuz the textures are so low making detailed hands would look too fuggo, it works in stuff like melee or quake or whatever cuz its like, "HEY these are flung around wildly and you cant focus on them"

prisma halo
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the arms actually don't have a texture

exotic ibex
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SW2'16?

prisma halo
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that's the sickle texture being stretched onto them

peak igloo
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well there u go lol

prisma halo
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the modern SW2, yes

exotic ibex
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sheeeeeit

prisma halo
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there's a test map and a ton of SW2013 leftovers

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I never delved further

atomic egret
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uploading incomplete bfg anim test gif

prisma halo
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man I could troll you guys so hard just by posting filenames of unused assets

peak igloo
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eh that'd be disrespectful imo

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not to us but to the devs

atomic egret
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oh shit

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this gif's 23mb

prisma halo
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23mb
optimize your gif man

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also David's pretty cool with unused content

atomic egret
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working on it lol

exotic ibex
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are you talking about filenames for dusk or something else?

prisma halo
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Dusk

exotic ibex
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do

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it

prisma halo
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eg, stuff like the file path for the arms model

exotic ibex
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i fucking love cut content fam

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i love looking at how people put shit together

peak igloo
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i hope its not nasty crap like what brutal doom did cuz boy howdy thats just not cool :.)

prisma halo
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if I post anything it's probably not gonna be anything juicy

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once Dusk is actually released I'll talk about all of the stuff but

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I don't want to spoil anything that can be potentially in the final game

exotic ibex
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juicy deets are left for after release i case of a comeback?

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fuckin

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i need to stop lookin at my keyboard when i type

prisma halo
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just know that there's a lotta stuff

exotic ibex
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๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

prisma halo
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models/mage - copy

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I've actually shown that asset off before, I had no idea what it was

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until David revealed its origin

exotic ibex
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is that the mage we all know?

prisma halo
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earlier in this very channel

exotic ibex
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thats actually kind of neat

prisma halo
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scavenging old builds actually allowed me to find the texture

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just like how I managed to get all of the Meat Lass assets readable

exotic ibex
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meat lass was replaced by leatherneck, right?

prisma halo
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ye

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leatherneck is actually called meat lass internally

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and if you attempt to copy data from old builds to load old maps

exotic ibex
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well im not entirely sure theres a point in changing that internally

prisma halo
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the leatherneck spawns in place of the meat lass

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there's a ton of old sounds too

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from when David was perfecting them

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there's like

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10 different versions of the shotgun firing sound

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it's a lot of fun to dig around in there because every time I do, I seem to find more unused content

true cypress
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my uni hdd is basically just filled with versions of the same stuff. I start to go mad just looking through it

prisma halo
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sometimes I'll find old versions of my own stuff

true cypress
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50 different takes of the same voice line only to use the 3rd one i did

prisma halo
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and it's like finding a beta of a game

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because I've mostly forgotten it

true cypress
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so you're digging through the DUSK code?

prisma halo
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assets & code yeah

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I have to, so that the SDK versions of enemies and objects are accurate

true cypress
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ahhh sweet

prisma halo
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hol' up

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materials/supershotgunhandmat

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supershotgunhand?

atomic egret
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alright I can't capture a good gif of this here's some screenies

exotic ibex
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lmao

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zombie

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dig it all out

peak igloo
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u mentioned a public alpha?

exotic ibex
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archive it

prisma halo
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yeah, there are four extremely old and outdated builds

true cypress
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shotgun hand

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i want it

prisma halo
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David posted them here in this server for people to play around with

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they aren't representative of the game at all anymore, though

peak igloo
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darn, i missed that too

prisma halo
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I have them mirrored on my mega account if you want links

atomic egret
prisma halo
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if you use Discord's search function you can probably find David's posts where he uploaded them too

atomic egret
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introducing

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the keyFG 9000

mild ginkgo
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keyz pls

exotic ibex
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id like the builds fam

atomic egret
wraith cape
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unlocking doors since 1993

peak igloo
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ok question

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that bfg ball sprite is that from dusk

prisma halo
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no

peak igloo
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ah ok it looks weird

mild ginkgo
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zombies patch bsoded my system last time ๐Ÿ‘Œ

exotic ibex
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lmao

mild ginkgo
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probably wasnt actually his patch

neat shadow
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It's gud bfg

mild ginkgo
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but it was just funny coincidence crash

prisma halo
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Dawn: Causing BSOD's Since '17

mild ginkgo
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hey the first version didnt cause any crashes

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it was just writing to the wrong memory location

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for WHATEVER REASON

prisma halo
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that was really weird

mild ginkgo
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i still dont get why that didnt work

prisma halo
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I think we figured out why though

mild ginkgo
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we did

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probably

prisma halo
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I recall the values weren't being written as hex or something

mild ginkgo
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that was it

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you compiled it wrong

prisma halo
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ye

mild ginkgo
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but it was like impossible to trace

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WE GOT THERE IN THE END

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AND THATS WHAT MATTERS

prisma halo
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lol

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Crosshair13

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best fucking texture

exotic ibex
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its still in the game

prisma halo
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actually no the best texture was this one

mild ginkgo
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best is Debob

prisma halo
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SUPER SECRET TEXT DEBOB

atomic egret
mild ginkgo
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^^^^^

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ONLY REAL NB DISCORDERS KNOW ABOUT DEBOB

prisma halo
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where will YOU be when the debob strikes?

mild ginkgo
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its 10pm, do you know where your debob is?

exotic ibex
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i-i wanna know about debob

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:(

mild ginkgo
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lol

prisma halo
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use discord search

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debob

mild ginkgo
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its only the most radical dusk secret

prisma halo
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I discovered it entirely by accident

prisma halo
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that's one of the debobs

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there are more

mild ginkgo
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yeah

prisma halo
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every build has its own debob

mild ginkgo
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i was just going in order backwards

prisma halo
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early jump pad texture

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neato

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it's just the UV map base, but for an older version of the model it seems

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since everything's in a different location

mild ginkgo
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๐Ÿ‘

exotic ibex
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let it be known

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fuck shamblers

mild ginkgo
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yeah theyre overtuned

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tbh just run when you can lol

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theres no benefit to fighting them

prisma halo
wraith cape
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so those of you who have played the alpha, have you managed to master the upside down shooty mechanic? looks crazy difficult lol

exotic ibex
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nah

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i should start practicing though

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honestly

mild ginkgo
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lemme go get a tattoo of that version of the dusk logo

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so, they upside down thing has been streamlined now

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in the newer build

prisma halo
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oh cool the old hud graphics

wraith cape
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nice!

mild ginkgo
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we havent gotten to practice with that

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but it is quite difficult without boost pads

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which is almost always the way they show using it

prisma halo
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oh what

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I think I found another unused enemy

mild ginkgo
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and rocket jumps arent reliable in the alpha

prisma halo
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that makes around four or so

mild ginkgo
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which has been fixed in the new build as well

prisma halo
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I wonder if it has a model

mild ginkgo
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lol

prisma halo
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aww, no model

mild ginkgo
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rip

prisma halo
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at least the texture is laid out in a way that pretty much shows you what it'd look like anyway

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I wonder what happened to the model though

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unless it's in there but under a different name

mild ginkgo
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maybe its a reskin?

wraith cape
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Zombie, you're like a Dusk archaeologist i love it.

mild ginkgo
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texture on model of existing enemy

prisma halo
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lol

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Dusk archaeologist

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perfect

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I just love preserving this stuff

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like, anything Dusk-related I get, I backup instantly

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I have the Pre Pre Pre Alpha backed up for when the next Steam update comes

exotic ibex
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as long as all of the cut and early content is achrived somewhere ill be happy

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shits fucking interesting

prisma halo
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I'm prolly gonna try and rip as much content out of the old builds as I can later on for TCRF

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now that I have a workflow for it

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maybe I should rip out the old pump-action SSG model

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pretty sure that one's in the oldest of the builds, and can be seen in some super old Dusk preview videos on David's YT channel

atomic egret
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I think I'm done working on the ultimate dave for tonight

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I'll try to have it mostly done by the end of the month

mild ginkgo
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lol

true cypress
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i look forward to it

mild ginkgo
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MP ultimate dave when?

atomic egret
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when someone sets up a server and gets it running properly with zandronum?

prisma halo
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ez

atomic egret
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NewBlood 100v100 ultimate davematch night

subtle bane
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omg i missed it again

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and nobody said they took it by the looks of things.. lame

atomic egret
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you're telling me

mild ginkgo
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gilby decided to be afk

atomic egret
mild ginkgo
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even though we pinged him 100000 times

atomic egret
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I was eating dinner D:

mild ginkgo
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FOOOD?

exotic ibex
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not eating at your desk

mild ginkgo
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keys are what sustain us

atomic egret
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I have family hank

exotic ibex
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i do too

atomic egret
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we can't all be NEETs

exotic ibex
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early builds were labeled quakegame

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aaaaahahah

atomic egret
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lol

prisma halo
atomic egret
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duskguy confirmed ginger?

prisma halo
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lol

atomic egret
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aint nobody paler than that

exotic ibex
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or a zombie

atomic egret
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or me

wraith cape
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duskguy is Conan O'Brien confirmed?

atomic egret
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I am whiter than paper

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I used to be red

crimson folio
#

Wow you're still awake herpes?

atomic egret
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yeah I thought he was supposed to be going to bed hours ago

exotic ibex
#

im about to go to sleep in the next few minutes

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lol

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bcause i have shit i have to do tomorrow

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which sucks

crimson folio
#

Lel

prisma halo
#

tried merging the hand and pistol models

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wrong textures though

true cypress
#

do you guys know what the R key actually does in game?

#

is it just a gun twirl

atomic egret
#

flips

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yep

prisma halo
#

yeah, just a flip

true cypress
#

fair enough, i instinctively press it after killing something

prisma halo
#

the amulet (the wand thing) actually has melee damage when you flip it though

true cypress
#

ooh

atomic egret
#

I kinda hope dave just doesn't notice anything about the doom mod so I can just tweet it at him when it's done all nonchalantly

mild ginkgo
#

well as long as you dont talk about it anymore he wont

atomic egret
#

good idea

mild ginkgo
#

itll be long buried by the time hes on again

atomic egret
#

eugh

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I'm gonna have to make a showcase video/trailer

mild ginkgo
#

lol

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@strong tartan

atomic egret
#

I want to keep talking about it on here to get suggestions for replacements but then he'll find out

mild ginkgo
#

he almost never checks there

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very very very rarely

atomic egret
#

thanks

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I completely forget about it because I have everything other than general announcements and dusk hidden

true cypress
#

exactly

mild ginkgo
#

didnt even know you could hide channels from yourself

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only knew about mute lol

atomic egret
#

when you mute a certain amount it gives you an option to hide them

mild ginkgo
#

oh i see

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i only mute entire servers

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never channels

atomic egret
mild ginkgo
#

yeah i just tested it

atomic egret
#

I'm gonna go now

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night guys

crimson folio
#

Goodnight

willow flax
#

does anyone here stream endless mode ?? id love to check it out just PM me with a link or something

kind cobalt
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i have occasionally i haven't really posted it though

willow flax
#

hmm

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gotcha

exotic ibex
#

i have one of my early records uploaded to youtube

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the high score would've been literally 8 hours of the same thing.

willow flax
#

yikesss

#

is endless repetative like that ?

thorn trout
#

it is

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-drumroll-

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endless

exotic ibex
#

^

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david never thought someone would get around roulghy wave 20 let alone 350+

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so the spawns are the same after wave 6

#

is that a thing for the farm map though david?

thorn trout
#

yeah it's the same thing

willow flax
#

i mean

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i love endless modes

thorn trout
#

I mean, after a point you can't really add more enemies without it becoming unplayable

willow flax
#

but im also think of like Devil daggers or something

thorn trout
#

and doing actual different waves would require redesigning the whole system

willow flax
#

it doesnt scale or get harder ? or its just not finished yet ?

exotic ibex
#

well when you develope a strategy to reach 8+ hours of gameplay on the same run then its going to be repetitive too

thorn trout
#

tbh endless was never meant to be anything more than a fun diversion. The campaign was supposed to be the main focus. So now I'm having to figure out how to make it more robust within the confines I've set up

exotic ibex
#

theres no chance to revamp it post launch?

thorn trout
#

oh there's definitely a chance for that

#

and there might be a revamp pre-launch too

exotic ibex
#

๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

thorn trout
#

but there's also a lot of stuff related to campaign and multiplayer that needs done before that, so I can't promise anything.

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What might happen is that the initial launch has endless levels that behave like they do right now, and post-release levels will be more complex

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I dunno, we'll see!

willow flax
#

sounds good

exotic ibex
#

im fine with waiting post launch. im just kind of hoping for a little something to endless. being a serious sam guy that scratches my itch for a large arena full of angry dudes

thorn trout
#

Yeah, I getcha

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I'm just explaining why it might not happen yet

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I've got a lot on my plate!

willow flax
#

ill understand better once i get my hands on it this weekend

exotic ibex
#

whatever works for you. the game is fucking great either way.

willow flax
thorn trout
#

I'll put some thought into what might be best for a revamp too. It might not be that much work

exotic ibex
#

any chance for alternating wave spawns?

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cause eventually i would love to build my own endless maps

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and alternation on spawn points would be a nice change of pace.

thorn trout
#

so, the way it works now (as I'm sure you know :D) is that certain enemies spawn in the same places every wave, and the wave count just determines what nodes actually spawn an enemy. I'm thinking I'd change it so that there's a master list of what enemy types to spawn each wave and a list of possible nodes, so each wave could be very different (one wave of all goats, for instance. Stuff like that). And they'd probably just choose nodes randomly somehow.

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I dunno what would happen when it reaches the end of the list though.

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Either there would have to be some way to make it keep looping, or endless mode would have to not be endless anymore

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I dunno

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I kind of like that it's completely endless

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I'll put some thought into it

willow flax
#

cant the waves just get harder and harder

prisma halo
#

I think something that could spice it up is a boss battle every few waves

willow flax
#

thus causing death eventually which is what you kinda want

prisma halo
#

you could even have endless mode exclusive bosses

exotic ibex
#

maybe a boxx every 50? 100?

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but yeah, once it reaches the end of the list then looping it wouldnt be bad. just some variation per wave would be nice. to prevent ultimate strats like mine.

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or at least make them varied

thorn trout
#

well, then it would go back to easier waves if it looped the whole list. Although maybe that's ok?

willow flax
#

naaa not ok lol

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imo

thorn trout
#

at this point I'm also a little afraid to change too much about it, since a lot of people like how it functions as is.

willow flax
#

like i said, outside point of view, but is there a reason you dont want it to get harder and harder ?

thorn trout
#

how do you make it get harder and harder infinitely without getting to a point where the arena is literally jammed with enemies and it's impossible to move anywhere?

willow flax
#

but thats fine

exotic ibex
#

ill try to think of something

willow flax
#

thats endless too me

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lol

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if you can even last that long

exotic ibex
#

i wouldnt just ramp up the enemies

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keep in mind theres an issue that slowly eats framerate

willow flax
#

either that or the enemys start gettings buffs

prisma halo
#

you could give enemies alt attacks for different endless waves

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like

exotic ibex
#

so the more enemies you jam in the more that decrease would hit

prisma halo
#

mages could fire three projectiles in a quick succession

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once you reach a certain wave

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or scarecrows could fire quicker

thorn trout
#

Ideally I want death to be the player's fault, not an inevitibility

willow flax
#

yea bunch of stuff to make it more difficult i think

prisma halo
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etc

exotic ibex
#

the modifiers on enemy functions can be something added in mods or something.

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maybe as classic mutators

prisma halo
#

heh, mutators

exotic ibex
#

i do like that idea though

prisma halo
#

talk about a throwback

thorn trout
#

the problem is if you have stuff like that automatically happen, then it WILL get to a point where you die because it's impossible not to die, rather than because you made a mistake

exotic ibex
#

mages throwing three fireballs would've made em dangerous

thorn trout
#

I LIKE that Hank was able to last forever because he's boss and figured out a way.

exotic ibex
#

๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

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fix'd

willow flax
#

all endless modes you eventually die, its more learning how to play better and better tto squeeze out a little more time when it seemed impossible

exotic ibex
#

nah

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i think hes right

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you shouldnt die simply because you got to an artificial end

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it should totally be possible to have a 24 hour run

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even more

willow flax
#

hence when it used to be impossible to get what 600+ in devil daggers and after hour and hours of pratice someone got 1000

thorn trout
#

DOn't get me wrong, I agree that it's a little lame how waves are handled now, but I don't want the game to become literally impossible at any point. Super hard sure, but automated difficulty increase means it will either become impossible at a point, or it will have to stop.

willow flax
#

its a matter of skill even tho the game is getting harder and harder imo

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impossible is different for different skill caps i think

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but the game saying hey now you die, yes thats unfair

exotic ibex
#

after a certain point, especially the one i've reached in current endless. that idea would result in taking unavoidable damage

willow flax
#

hmm

exotic ibex
#

with enough unavoidable damage comes an artifical end

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sure you could push that end but it'll always be roughly around that time

thorn trout
#

@willow flax well, see, what will happen if enemies are constantly getting more projectiles per attack or more and more enemies are constantly showing up is a) you get to a point where the instant an enemy fires you die, since it's impossible to avoid its spread, or b) you get to a point where there are so many enemies in the small space that you can't move around to avoid their attacks, and you die. Neither one of those is the player's fault. Whereas in Devil Daggers, although it gets insanely hard, deaths are always your fault.

exotic ibex
#

if that was a thing in current endless i couldnt have reached wave 450

willow flax
#

yea but you cant say that

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eventually the game DOES KILL you

#

its endless after all

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yes i do get what your saying though

thorn trout
#

I agree that the player shouldn't be able to survive forever practically speaking, but that needs to be because they make a mistake, not because there's a hard cutoff you can't survive past

exotic ibex
#

thats like making kleers in serious sam throw more and more ballasongs

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or run faster

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or eventually their leaps track your movement

thorn trout
#

it's a tough nut to crack

exotic ibex
#

its about making it harder but still avoidable

prisma halo
#

then how about in addition to a buff

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they get a nerf too

willow flax
#

i think a good endless mode in any game is it slowly gets harder, but great skill will push back what seems impossible farther and farther back is all

prisma halo
#

mages throw more projectiles, but they're slower projectiles

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and they don't aim as accurately

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scarecrows fire quicker, but have much less spread

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etc

thorn trout
#

@willow flax yeah agreed. And the issue right now is that it levels off fairly quickly and becomes more about endurance than anything else

exotic ibex
#

scarecrows are honestly in a really good place themselves

willow flax
#

maybe enemies dont all have to spawn at once ? and can spawn over time ? thus relying more on skill ?

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gotcha

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like i said, i havent played, im ONLY going off what iv been hearing

exotic ibex
#

the spawns are staggared, not by much though.

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enough that my box strat works

willow flax
#

๐Ÿ˜„

thorn trout
#

I think there's probably some way I can combine the idea of having waves be planned, but also have them loop endlessly, and have it work. Maybe by adding in some of the buffing concepts with some limit on them, etc. I'll have to think more about it.

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Thanks all for the suggestions btw :)

exotic ibex
#

ill try to put together an elaboration.

prisma halo
#

the possibilities are endless

thorn trout
#

buh dum tish

prisma halo
#

๐Ÿฅ

exotic ibex
#

well, like i said when it comes to alteration on spawns

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that would be enough to mix up endless in my opinion even if the same amount of dudes spawn

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i was mostly looking for having to develope multiple strats for each wave.

thorn trout
#

gotcha

exotic ibex
#

would really shake things up if there were quite a few spawn points but they were randomly given out to a set list of dudes

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maybe even a random list of dudes?

thorn trout
#

honestly, I thought the final wave that loops would be enough to kill most people :P

exotic ibex
#

with a cap on how many can spawn if certain enemies make certain maps too difficult if spammed enough

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it might be

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because we only have access to one map

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but i would say i've effectively mastered that map

thorn trout
#

I would say so :P

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I need to wait for something to upload anyway, so I'll think about it for a bit right now :)

exotic ibex
#

๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

thorn trout
#

I forgot that Dusk used to have a subtitle waaaay early at the beginning

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when the plot/world was way different

neat shadow
#

do you wake up between 2 kegs with most of your blood in 'em?

prisma halo
#

"the cellar"?

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also heh, I think I found that logo in the files earlier

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or maybe it was yet another one

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I posted it last night

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one moment

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it was another one

slate edge
#

Well, Dusk has a cellar...so...

#

its not all false advertising

jade root
#

Dusk was a BOI clone

slate edge
#

BOI?

jade root
#

Binding of Isaac

slate edge
#

o

thorn trout
#

this was waaay at the beginning, before New Blood was involved. I think original plot was something about the protag buys a house and there's a portal to craziness in the cellar. New plot is way cooler.

jade root
#

David what are you gonna do if you get a review like the one Dave posted in SGS chat

thorn trout
#

I expect to get more than just one tbh

wraith relic
#

PLOT

#

gibe plot

thorn trout
#

I will be very surprised if Dusk doesn't get a collection of very angry reviews

jade root
#

"GUNS ONLY GO PEW PEW NOT BANG BANG"

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1/10

lyric spruce
#

Probably more like "RETRO INDIESHIT 2/10 POLYGONS ARE THE NEW PIXEL ART"

neat shadow
#

bad grafix -20/10

prisma halo
#

"ENDLESS MODE LASTS TOO LONG"

thorn trout
#

I'm guessing some of the glitches that to us are awesome will to other people be signs of laziness or incompetence.

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Also that some diehard old FPS fans will take issue with design elements or areas where it doesn't measure up to classics

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And probably some newer players who can't get used to the movement speed etc

wraith relic
#

careful

thorn trout
#

all manner of people, really

wraith relic
#

some people will contribute their own things that might be talked trash about

lyric spruce
#

I mean, I'm all for trying your best but at some point you've gotta differentiate yourself from Quake/Doom etc

wraith relic
#

but they'll secretly be talking trash about it themselves doing that

thorn trout
#

bad reviews are just part of releasing a game

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@wraith relic heh good point

lyric spruce
#

Bad reviews are a part of releasing anything period

jade root
#

David survived Jim Sterling

prisma halo
#

I still find it funny that people have so much trouble figuring out what morale is

wraith relic
#

is it armor

lyric spruce
#

Literally Armor

prisma halo
#

Yes

jade root
#

Why is it moral anyway

wraith relic
#

does doing a good job in-game give you moral

lyric spruce
#

I swear I should just change the name of armor in my Doom mod to fuck with people

wraith relic
#

such as killing sprees, nice combos

jade root
#

What kinda hipster bullshit is this

neat shadow
#

cuz it's gold and diamonds n shit

jade root
#

"MUH FEELINGS"

prisma halo
#

Maybe it should be called Fashion Sense

lyric spruce
#

YEAH REAL MEN BURY THEIR FEELINGS AND EVENTUALLY DIE OF STRESS-INDUCED HEART FAILURE

jade root
#

YEAH

neat shadow
#

^

jade root
#

HURRAY FOR SUPRESSED EMOTIONS

lyric spruce
#

FEELINGS ARE FOR GAYMOSEXUQUEERS

prisma halo
#

I'M A REAL MAN HEAR ME ROAR

#

REEEEEEEEEEE

lyric spruce
#

RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

wraith relic
#

HU

jade root
#

MORAL SHOULD BE MASCULINITY

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IF IT HITS ZERO YOU BECOME SMOL CRY BAB

wraith relic
#

lol, and as u lose morale your hurt noises get increasingly more feminine sounding

thorn trout
#

yeah I dunno, I thought it would be obvious but I'm also a backwards hermit man who spends too much time playing retro FPS

#

so anything that looks like it's armor is probably armor to me

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on the HUD

lyric spruce
#

I'm just so unemployed that I can't help myself

#

I really wish I had a job and didn't play so much vidya but no one will hire me

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SO INSTEAD I GET TO HAVE MANLY MORALE

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AND MANLY ARMOR

fair mirage
#

AHMUR

thorn trout
#

the idea is that Duskguy is so cool that his positive state of mind protects him from bullets

prisma halo
#

pyro

lyric spruce
#

Sounds like he's a FUKIN COMMUNIST INFREENGIN ON MAH GAWD GIVEN RITES

thorn trout
#

Duskguy has no political affiliation

lyric spruce
#

Are you still using the hillbilly theme?

#

Because that was a little jab at that

prisma halo
#

Duskguy votes for shotguns and you should too

fair mirage
#

super shotgun for senator

thorn trout
#

@lyric spruce Well it's set in rural PA, which is where I live, so... what are you saying about me and my family? ;)

lyric spruce
#

Hey man, I now live in rural ON which I guarantee you is more redneck

#

:^)

#

We have literal hillbilly religion witches in Nippissing

thorn trout
#

hahahaha

lyric spruce
#

My grandfather knew an old woman who would steal people's children when he was growing up

thorn trout
#

holy crap. I can't tell if that's horrifying or awsome

#

literal witch

austere egret
#

Horrifying

lyric spruce
#

She's also poison the kids she wasn't allowed to steal, or at least everyone was convinced she'd curse them because any kid she asked for that she didn't get FUCKING DIED

#

There are legitimate records of this

thorn trout
#

that's nuts

prisma halo
#

Jesus

thorn trout
#

all we have around here are Trump supporters

lyric spruce
#

I told ya, we've got way crazier rednecks

austere egret
#

DEFINETLY HORRIFYING

neat shadow
#

wat

prisma halo
#

Dusk boss material?

neat shadow
#

where is the spanish inquisition when you need it

thorn trout
#

well I mean yeah it's horrifying for sure... it's just crazy

#

like a urban legend but it's real

austere egret
#

Whats wierd is I live in the south, and most people here are not hillbillies

lyric spruce
#

Oh man, I forgot to mention, my mentally challenged aunt Sherry is married to a half native guy who lives in the woods and sometimes goes hunting while naked and returns wearing deer skins

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Yes really

#

Runs naked into the woods with a rifle, stays there for a week killing animals, and comes back wearing their skins

exotic ibex
#

thats pretty dope actually

thorn trout
#

ok yeah, that's definitely awesome

lyric spruce
#

He's also an abusive alcoholic but I thought I'd start with the cooler parts

thorn trout
#

that part's not so awesome

austere egret
#

Even out in the country here, nobody is the stereotypical hillbilliy

lyric spruce
#

Anyways it's about 2 generations from "The Hills Have Eyes" here

#

Or at least in the smaller areas around here

thorn trout
#

@austere egret yeah there are few if any people around here that fit the steryotype

exotic ibex
#

you should find someoen that amtches the leathernecks build and dress him up as one with a chainsaw

#

use that as promo material

thorn trout
#

that would be awesome

austere egret
#

Trailer trash, maybe, but no Hillbillies

lyric spruce
#

Actually one of my great aunts killed her husband with a shotgun for cheating on her and left the body there Leatherface-style and pretended he was just sick for about 3 weeks

#

This was back in the 70s IIRC

austere egret
#

Yeesh

#

Thats fucked up

lyric spruce
#

Wait, it might have been my great uncle being killed and she married in actually

#

Can't remember

#

Either way

#

So basically, Canadian-themed DUSK when?

thorn trout
#

apparently Dusk should have been set in Ontario!

lyric spruce
#

Just give everybody a Plaid shirt and make the cultists wear deer horns

prisma halo
#

lol

lyric spruce
#

Oh and make skinwalkers

prisma halo
#

funny you mention that

thorn trout
#

way ahead of you there :)

prisma halo
#

heh

lyric spruce
#

Perfect

austere egret
#

WAIT, I thought you said you were australian, @Xangi#8619. Or am I confused with someone else.

prisma halo
#

I'm Australian

lyric spruce
#

Nah son, you probably h- yeah^

austere egret
#

Oh

#

I apologize @Xangi#8619

lyric spruce
#

Oh and you just gotta replace "Morale" with "Alcohol" a-la redneck rampage

#

Oh and make snow snakes

#

Fuck with southern people by adding snow snakes

neat shadow
#

but alcohol is already a power up

lyric spruce
#

Well we need MORE of it

neat shadow
#

pliz no I can't aim with it

lyric spruce
#

git gud scroob

thorn trout
#

snow snakes?

mild ginkgo
#

Beers in endless mode when?

lyric spruce
#

Oh man, I kept telling everyone in California that there were snow snakes in Ontario

#

And that some got as big as large pythons

mild ginkgo
#

Pls allow me to play endless intoxicated

lyric spruce
#

Some of them believed me

thorn trout
#

@mild ginkgo yeah that should probably be a thing :)

#

@lyric spruce hahaha nice

austere egret
#

I believe you, there were snakes back up in northern New York state, where I used to live

prisma halo
#

@mild ginkgo did you ever play endless with no hud?

lyric spruce
#

Yeah but these snakes were SNOW snakes, so they'd come out in the winter and dig in the snow and hunt rabbits

#

Then they'd hibernate underground in the summer

#

:^)

austere egret
#

Did NOT have those to my knowledge

mild ginkgo
#

Oh I forgot to try that, think I'll go do that when I finish eating

lyric spruce
#

That's because they're not real

#

It's a terrible joke

austere egret
#

๐Ÿ˜ 

mild ginkgo
#

Like snipe hunting

lyric spruce
#

I made them sound just pausible enough to be real

prisma ivy
#

USed to live in Utah and there were snakes everywhere despite the snow

lyric spruce
#

Honestly one of my favorite "fucking with americans" pranks tbh

mild ginkgo
#

The things you need to watch out for are dropbears

neat shadow
#

imagine white snakes in the streets in 5 inchs of snow

thorn trout
#

that is hilarious

lyric spruce
#

Yeah that's what I said they were

#

Snow white reptiles that hunted in the snow

prisma halo
#

I've had an American legitimately ask if people rode kangaroos around here

thorn trout
#

dropbears are the worst

lyric spruce
#

Dude I would fucking ride a kangaroo in a heartbeat

prisma ivy
#

lol

thorn trout
#

@prisma halo well do you?

austere egret
#

Thats fucking stupid

prisma halo
#

Yes, all the time

austere egret
#

You can't ride a Roo

thorn trout
#

to escape the dropbears, right?

prisma ivy
#

Im trying to think of a way that you could even ride one

lyric spruce
#

YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO

prisma halo
#

Yes, those bastards are everywhere

#

falling from the sky and shit

austere egret
#

You can get your ass kicked by one though

lyric spruce
#

He won't beat me if I made a special Roo-Rider suit

prisma halo
#

I still remember that video of a dude punching a kangaroo to save his dog

#

fucking PETA tried to paint him as the bad guy

prisma ivy
#

That was pretty metal

lyric spruce
#

Kangaroos are fucking viscious

thorn trout
#

I think it's funny that with all the real terrifying stuff in Australia that will kill you, you guys had to make up a terrifying thing that would kill you

prisma halo
#

like he just fucking whacked the kangaroo in the jaw

#

and it was just like

#

so confused

lyric spruce
#

U WOT M8

prisma halo
#

it just left

prisma halo
#

it's like "you... actually hit me?"

jade root
#

Can't kangaroos disembowel you pretty easily?

prisma halo
#

yes

lyric spruce
#

Yeah you could almost see the surprise

prisma halo
#

goodbye guts

jade root
#

Nice

thorn trout
#

I am convinced PETA doesn't take itself seriously at all at this point

jade root
#

Gonna go find one now

prisma halo
#

don't look up PETA cow girls

#

it's a video on YOUTUBE of girls with like

#

3 or 4 tits

#

squirting milk everywhere

austere egret
#

I watched too much Crocodile Hunter as a kid, I know more about Australian wildlife than I do american sometimes.

lyric spruce
#

Some crazy chick I knew in HS was really into PETA

prisma halo
#

it's fucking horrifying

thorn trout
#

@prisma halo well I'm sure that's somebody's fetish somewhere

prisma halo
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PETA's?

prisma ivy
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Crocodile hunter was the best

thorn trout
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probably PETA's yeah

austere egret
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I miss Steve Irwin ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

prisma halo
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I'd post the video here but it's not even NSFW

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it's NSFL

mild ginkgo
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RIP steve

prisma ivy
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RIP

prisma halo
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F

mild ginkgo
prisma ivy
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I wanted to be a biologist for a long time because I watched it as a kid

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Oh yeah this isent general is it

lyric spruce
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:^)

prisma halo
thorn trout
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@prisma halo just go paste it in H-discord

prisma halo
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I'm not even in that server

thorn trout
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oh shoot, yeah, general

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sorry

lavish galleon
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wait, are the devs/mods pushing for general or only the users?

atomic egret
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lain doesn't like it when we use dusk as general 2

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but it's usually just something that happens when a conversation goes on for a while and evolves

lavish galleon
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Yeah, as is usual

graceful wing
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yea we usually just remind people at that point. you're not going to get any sort of punishment or anything unless you continue off topic talk after we've asked you to move

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so don't worry about that ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

lavish galleon
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ahh fair enough. In another Discord im in your messages disappear and you get muted for a day -_-

graceful wing
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we're nowhere near that strict heh

mild ginkgo
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yeah i was just trying to be mindful, not being a snitch or anything lol

prisma ivy
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I honestly thought that we were in genreal during that conversation lol

lavish galleon
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happens all the time. Most people are just used to chatting in one channel becuase of Skype and TeamSpeak etc

graceful wing
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yup it's not the end of the world or anything especially if there's no dusk stuff going on at the time

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the rule's mostly there to stop people from derailing game specific discussions

gleaming berry
wraith cape
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oooo duskmare sounds like a good time!

prisma halo
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it's one-hit KO

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from what I've heard

mild ginkgo
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P.S. dave i told you theyd find that bug by accident!

exotic ibex
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duskmare is the one hit kill difficulty, correct?

prisma halo
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afaik yes

exotic ibex
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fucking

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reading

crystal vessel
exotic ibex
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comprehension

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im tired

gleaming berry
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easy is pretty normal

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acessible is... acessible

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literally for those who have a hard time

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we good on options

crystal vessel
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Imagine being bothered by easy being easy

gleaming berry
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that's TImm for ya

wraith cape
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i will prob start with "i can take it"

gleaming berry
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fun fact - he voices the Ballistikraft in ROTT 2013

wraith cape
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be funny if there was a "my body is ready" mode.

exotic ibex
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yo dave, confirm if duskmare kills you in one hit for me

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if you dont mind

mild ginkgo
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it doesnt

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confirmed

exotic ibex
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fahk

crystal vessel
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I'll just go the Doom route and play on the one below Nightmare

prisma halo
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that's generally what I do

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but >easiest difficulty does not insult the player in any way

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I am disappointed

crystal vessel
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Anyone playing on easy should feel bad about themselves

crimson folio
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anybody playing dusk should feel bad about themselves ๐Ÿ˜Ž

crystal vessel
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daaamn

fair mirage
crimson folio
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Well, can't really say that tbh. Dusk's been cancelled, no ones gonna play it at all

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ive broke the truth to the loving fans and they are in complete shock. I'm sorry

wraith cape
crimson folio
gleaming berry
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Duskmare is one hit kill, yes

wraith cape
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Ultra Duskmare where as soon as you spawn you die. Best dev trolling ever.

lavish galleon
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Why not davemare? @atomic egret

quiet rose
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davemare would be cigar only on duskmare

crimson folio
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i had a davemare last night

lavish galleon
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Haha

atomic egret
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@lavish galleon SHHHH

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no talking about it in general or dusk anymore ๐Ÿ™…๐Ÿป

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this if officially top secret material

lavish galleon
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Haha

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Also were you the guy that said to Daniel that you felt like a programmer because your desktop was messy?

atomic egret
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maybe

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and I'm not a programmer I'm just an artist

lavish galleon
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Lol

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Yeah I can tell

atomic egret
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+I moved it all to a folder

lavish galleon
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Feeling like a programmer is recompiling the same code over and over screaming at visual studio until you realise it was something really simple and then doing the Andy Warski "Ughhhhhhhh"