dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

[prisma halo]

so when are you gonna publish the article?

I wanna see it

[junior phoenix]

i dunno i need to do reviews for stuff noboody wants to review etc.

as im not fulltime employed there

only as a parttime job

[dusty blaze]

I need to stop being a slacker and keep pumping out youtube videos.

now that I got all my audio issues worked out.

[junior phoenix]

now i realised... why am i waitting for key when i can try ask for one? :D

for review purposes

good idea ill try to write sb when i get home

[dusty blaze]

Waiting is half the battle, G I JOOOOOOOOOOOOE

[jade root]

@thorn trout https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUSK_(videogame%29 its bare-bones right now and there may be errors, but I'll sort that out tomorrow

[mild ginkgo]

wow

that link breaks

[prisma halo]

Discord ignores trailing )s

change ) to %29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUSK_(videogame%29

[mild ginkgo]

make sure you contest the deletion

[jade root]

i did

[mild ginkgo]

👍

[jade root]

wew

that was a pain in the ass

but i enjoyed doing it

[dusty blaze]

Is it just the formatting that is a pain?

[jade root]

tommorrow will be adding references, photos, and better formatting

DONT TOUCH IT

INFACT

[exotic ibex]

im gonna touch it

[dusty blaze]

🤔

[jade root]

DONT

[thorn trout]

too late I tweeted it

[jade root]

HEY

MY FIRST ONLINE WRITING AND IT GOT COVERED BY A GAME DEV

[thorn trout]

👍

[jade root]

david is this your first game to appear on wikipedia?

[thorn trout]

yup

[exotic ibex]

congrats nerd

[thorn trout]

afaik

[prisma halo]

now we need a David Szymanski page

it has no text

just

[thorn trout]

says everything that needs to be said

[jade root]

David if there's any information you need/want in there for when I edit it tomorrow, just DM me and it will be done

Nice

Doing something right

[junior phoenix]

lol

nice

[dawn granite]

The wiki is pretty wiki-d

[crystal vessel]

ha

[dawn granite]

HA

[jade root]

Wat

[dawn granite]

Hm?

[jade root]

Nvm

[dawn granite]

It's 1 am. I'm waiting, waiting for that glorious moment to happen, yet it never does

[jade root]

Glhf I'm going to bed. Don't meme too much

[quiet rose]

rip DUSK wiki

already deleted

[quiet rose]

its already been deleted by the "Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion"

[prisma halo]

it's still there

[twin rivet]

I went ahead and contested it

[quiet rose]

if you have the direct link you can still access it obv

but i dont think you can search for it on google or whatever. i may be wrong

[prisma halo]

you wouldn't be able to find it on Google right after it was created

it has to be indexed first

[quiet rose]

oh didnt mean google

meant wiki

it doesnt show up in the disambiguation page

[prisma halo]

dunno

[acoustic oriole]

so, I have this suggestion, which might get me eaten alive, lol, but here goes
what if we had an ingame bind to toggle the y-axis lock\unlock, so that climbing up and down ladders won't have to be so awkward if the player so desires :P
thoughts?

(not something for the options menu, but a bindable key we can use while in-game

[mild ginkgo]

you can hold C to do that

[acoustic oriole]

...you can? LOL

oh, crap, now I realize why I never saw this

I rebinded the crouch key to C

when C was set to center view

anyways, thanks

[acoustic oriole]

well, I'll be damned

[prisma halo]

tfw genuine 320x240

[quiet rose]

well shit

guess im naughty

[acoustic oriole]

which means you have this? :P

[quiet rose]

i have the image telling me im naughty :^)

[acoustic oriole]

well, if that counts, then I'm naughty as well

[prisma halo]

you're all naughty

[quiet rose]

[acoustic oriole]

I really like the name btw LOL

[prisma halo]

I am a funny guy

[quiet rose]

for you

[prisma halo]

yes

[mild ginkgo]

good shit

[jade root]

👌 good shit 👌 💩

[junior phoenix]

mading it public tho would be more good shit

but that maybe later i suppose :P

good work

in what have you coded it?

just curious

@Zombie

[prisma halo]

@junior phoenix C#

[junior phoenix]

nice

[prisma halo]

It's necessary because Mono.Cecil's needed in order to patch assemblies

[junior phoenix]

ou this you are doing

even nicer

i thought you are just injecting to ram

[prisma halo]

nah

[junior phoenix]

or is that what you meant

[prisma halo]

I can do that though

I've already written like

3 Unity code injectors

Dawn does on-disk patching though, since it's easier and more reliable

[junior phoenix]

yeah but also overwrites things... kinda oldschool type of modding

still nice work

[prisma halo]

The files get restored to their original state after the game closes

Dawn stores the originals in memory until the game quits

[junior phoenix]

ou ok then

btw are there plans for making it public? i know we talked about it but im stoned

like not from weed but yknow

from not sleepin

[twin rivet]

never heard that translation. stoned from sleep deprivation loll

[jade root]

Just say tired

[junior phoenix]

well pot-heads slang aticks hard

[jade root]

Ez pz

[junior phoenix]

i used to smoke a lot

but not anymore

[twin rivet]

it's okay if you do

[junior phoenix]

im not rly :D

[twin rivet]

😄

[junior phoenix]

i cant even if i wanted

school tok hard

tried it oncd after year pause

failed tests

cause i was not able to function properly after it for like 24h

nvm this is shitty debate

:D

zombie left us

again

[mild ginkgo]

no he didnt

of course hes going to release it, theres no point in making a modding sdk and not releasing it

[jade root]

He's always with us

[junior phoenix]

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder885/500x/62380885.jpg

to the last thong i said

its bad mkay

[quiet rose]

thong

[junior phoenix]

im on phone

not checking

not caring

[prisma halo]

@junior phoenix It'll be public once the SDK's ready

[junior phoenix]

thumbs up

[prisma halo]

getting much closer to a final design now

there'll probably be an additional button added later for an extra config options menu or something

[acoustic oriole]

very neat

[slate edge]

nice

is arguments the launch parametres?

[prisma halo]

yeah

[slate edge]

UI looks nice and clean

[prisma halo]

danke

[mild ginkgo]

I'd choose a different font, but that's just subjective :^}

[acoustic oriole]

I suppose you can always worry about making it prettier when you're done making it work :P

[prisma halo]

Yeah, pretty much

I need to make the theme more consistent, for one

the light-dark theme it's got there would murder your eyes at night

[acoustic oriole]

lol yeah

but it's not the highest up your priorities

or at least it shouldn't be

[prisma halo]

Yeah, it's not super important atm

if anything I'm just trying to get general UI placement right

[acoustic oriole]

awesome work putting it together so far

[prisma halo]

the ? button is probably either gonna show a changelog, or lead you to documentation for modding

dunno which yet

[acoustic oriole]

or maybe a dropdown menu of both?

[prisma halo]

possibly

[acoustic oriole]

I'm no UI expert, just throwing ideas

[jade root]

comic sans rainbow font

[lament badge]

Are we going to get Dusk on the nintendo switch? :P

[crystal vessel]

luhmow ecks dee

[jade root]

Prolly not in the foreseeable future

Doing backlip and frontflips with joysticks would be a absolute pain in the ass too

[slate edge]

not sure if unity has support for it, depending on the build

[dawn granite]

Is there a permadeath mode for Dusk?

[lament badge]

Also, what about coop mode?

[vague egret]

I know a 1v1 mode was talked about. Coop was never mentioned

[slate edge]

wait til sp is done

then ask for mp

[elder heart]

This chat = dead

[lament badge]

@vague egret coughRustcought

I beg for Linux dedicated servers

[acoustic oriole]

there's a difficulty called "DUSKmare" where you die in one hit

[junior phoenix]

@lament badge I think that Dave was talking abou possibility about porting the game to variety of consoles if there would be high-enough demand but I could be wrong

I was sleepy af, so i could misheards sth (he was talking about all their games,, but primary subject was Dusk)

[gleaming berry]

Yes there is a permadeth mode

yes we're working on co-op

I've mentioned it like 70000 times

[spiral halo]

@gleaming berry I must admit, I did not know about the permadeath mode.

If I get good enough at the game I will try to beat it on that mode. Doubt I can do it but we will see.

I have put a stupid amount of time into Doom 2016 and still can't get anywhere close to beating it.on Ultra-Nightmare.

[distant sparrow]

@gleaming berry will there be one liners in dusk?

[jade root]

there already are

they are just spoken by a mute

[lavish galleon]

are they as good as Gordon Freemans?

[jade root]

almost better

exhaling noises when on fire

[lavish galleon]

Holy shit. That right there is the future of PC gaming

[viral mist]

Has the El struck again?

[viral mist]

Please @gleaming berry Give us your wisdom

[dawn granite]

@thorn trout Do you have an image of a leather neck like the one in the dusk twitter profile pic?

[prisma halo]

speaking of that image, was it staged? I don't recall ever seeing the leatherneck play that animation

[gleaming berry]

which one?

overhead?

yeah he doesnt actually do that

he's posed

[dawn granite]

THANK YOU

[subtle bane]

Is "Leatherneck" part of the KKK?

[mild ginkgo]

[subtle bane]

just noticed you have pentagon jr as your avatar

that's pretty dank

[atomic egret]

idk but the other cultists look pretty kkk-ish

[mild ginkgo]

I doubt they can say "its kkk members" for pr reasons

but use your imagination

[hexed roost]

they are milita freaks!

easy as that

[quiet rose]

@subtle bane

[subtle bane]

lol I hate reigns xD

[gleaming berry]

WHO THE HELL

NO ROMAN REIGNS ALLOWED IN HERE

@graceful wing PLS UPDATE RULES

[subtle bane]

lol

good call

[graceful wing]

i can't edit rules. it's lain's post D:

[quiet rose]

[gleaming berry]

@vague egret

BAN ROMAN REIGNS PLS

[quiet rose]

ill sue

if you ban

breaking my discord nitro rights

[gleaming berry]

https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/832452619226406912

[quiet rose]

You got called out on that post lol

[subtle bane]

rofl

[graceful wing]

THIS IS NOW LAW

[quiet rose]

i can make one worse than reigns

[subtle bane]

nobody is as bad as reigns

[quiet rose]

there are worse

[subtle bane]

lol

[quiet rose]

hahahahahha

[subtle bane]

Eva > Roman

[quiet rose]

damn son

[prisma halo]

goddamn scrollbars are hard to recolour

[dawn granite]

I made this

This is why I asked for them leather necks

[lavish galleon]

Please tell me Dawn is a mod tool for Dusk

[jade root]

It is

[prisma halo]

It is

[atomic egret]

It is

[prisma halo]

what other options should I add?

I'm kinda at a loss for ideas here

[zealous bridge]

bordered window

semi-bordered

all variations of borders

[prisma halo]

:(

crossing border

[zealous bridge]

I'm useless but sometimes I can have a goof and a laugh

no clue, kinda joined this convo late

[atomic egret]

I would say safe mode but I'm pretty sure dusk would run on a toaster

[prisma halo]

tfw Dusk hates OpenGL

I added an option to make the game run under OpenGL but none of the shaders have GL versions included

[junior phoenix]

well thats sad

[lavish galleon]

Thats weird, I thought Unity had its own version that converted on the backend to GL or DX?

[prisma halo]

That's done at build time

it's not an in-engine thing

[lavish galleon]

Yeah

[prisma halo]

and it appears to not have been done for Dusk's build for some reason

[lavish galleon]

ahh ok

[prisma halo]

only D3D versions are present

[junior phoenix]

maybe he forced specific apis?

[lavish galleon]

Maybe, forced it only to use D3D11

[junior phoenix]

like selected dx only, removed opengl from the que

yep this

[lavish galleon]

Not much of a DX fan, but yeah they may have

[junior phoenix]

me either

hate it

ogl, vulkan ftw

[lavish galleon]

Yes

Ive been working with OpenGL for the past few months

Id like to get into Vulkan but holy crap

[prisma halo]

it works with d3d9

[lavish galleon]

Ahh

Hopefully not 12

haha

[junior phoenix]

ive done fair work in both

but sticked to ogl for now

developing for vulkan is too time consuming

[lavish galleon]

and most older systems dont support it

[junior phoenix]

but is ddfinitely more rewarding tho

[lavish galleon]

Yeah

[junior phoenix]

lol

option to behold

[prisma halo]

yes

[atomic egret]

maybe a compatibilty mode?

sorry I'm not much help

[junior phoenix]

ultra lowres 0x0 res

[prisma halo]

compatibility for what?

[atomic egret]

I don't know much coding outside of html and some css

windows xp?

[prisma halo]

that can't be done on my end

if the game doesn't run on windows xp there's not much I can do

[junior phoenix]

yep

[atomic egret]

guess not

[prisma halo]

I can add an option for force DirectX 9 but it should already do that on XP

...if it even launches

[junior phoenix]

you cant recompile engine yknow

at least not without src

so you cant recompile it to work on platform X

[atomic egret]

makes sense

Just throwing out other kinds of settings like that that i've seen on other games really

[mild ginkgo]

anyways i mentioned this yesterday

[junior phoenix]

well compatibility or safe mode in this sense could be kinda useful? dunno... i remember that i messed up settings once on some game and this let me to launch it

without shitting with config

which was in binary anyeay

[prisma halo]

added uncapped fps option

[lavish galleon]

Wait doesnt Unity do Borderless-Windowed by default?

[junior phoenix]

i think no but could be wrong

you can set it tho

[prisma halo]

for now it causes the SDK to automatically modify Application.targetFrameRate but it'll just modify dusk.ini for newer builds (once mr dave finally publishes them on Steam >:( )

you can get borderless just by adding -popupwindow on the commandline

(which is all that option does)

[junior phoenix]

clever coding

[lavish galleon]

So you're hooking into the game pre-launch to set these commands?

[prisma halo]

nah, they either just add options to the command-line, or they save settings to a configuration that the game will read once it gets hooked

[lavish galleon]

Ahh ok

Cool to see they've set it up like the old school games

[mild ginkgo]

they hadnt in the build hes using

.ini is added in the new build however

[lavish galleon]

ahh ok, I've only played the early demos someone dumped in here a few weeks back

[prisma halo]

funnily enough, this would work with those

[lavish galleon]

Thats just good programming haha

[prisma halo]

lmao

[prisma halo]

yep, confirmed

works with the early builds

obviously some stuff doesn't work (skipping the configuration dialog only works on some of them), but most of it does

[lavish galleon]

nice, i'd kill for the new build lol. Anyone know when it comes out?

as in the game as a whole

[prisma halo]

for the new build you'd have to ask @gleaming berry, for the game as a whole, that's a question that really only @thorn trout could accurately answer at this point

[mild ginkgo]

the answer theyve given like 600 times at this point is the target is this summer

[prisma halo]

it's planned for sometime this year though

[mild ginkgo]

as a general rule of thumb

[lavish galleon]

Yeah, I dont read older messages lol

[prisma halo]

we should have a !duskwhen command

[lavish galleon]

Yes

[mild ginkgo]

theyve been on a bajillion podcasts etc, twitter, all over the place

[lavish galleon]

a bot that gets any message, if the message contails "When, coming/comes and out"

[prisma halo]

didn't Dave start falling asleep or something on one because they kept asking shit he's answered 9 million times?

I remember reading something like that earlier

[mild ginkgo]

yeah pretty much

he yawned like 4 times

[prisma halo]

lmao

which interview?

[lavish galleon]

Id pay to do that stuff

[mild ginkgo]

it was streamed on twitch, i think it was called like fragments of silicon or something

[prisma halo]

https://player.fm/series/shane-plays/dave-oshry-dusk-dec-17-2016

this?

wait no I just read the date

NEVERMIND

[mild ginkgo]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/122438047

[lavish galleon]

What the fuck am I listening to

[mild ginkgo]

its the first 30 ish minutes i think

its really bad

[lavish galleon]

The music...

[mild ginkgo]

the dude did no research, was super unprepared, everything

he didnt know how to keep a conversation going

[lavish galleon]

did they hire 14 year olds to record in their garage?

[mild ginkgo]

its not worth your time at all

[lavish galleon]

It was really off-time

[prisma halo]

rip

[lavish galleon]

Lol, Hey NBI can I interview you right now? I have no questions and im going to be including my weeb friends who have never played a NB game at all. That cool?

[mild ginkgo]

yeah

that was exactly how it went

[lavish galleon]

I heard their names and just went from there haha

That would explain why Dave is half asleep

they sound half asleep

[mild ginkgo]

if you're gonna do an interview, just be fucking ready for it holy shit

[prisma halo]

New Blood's advancing through the ranks fast

already had their first shitty interviewer

[mild ginkgo]

have GOOD questions prepared, and do RESEARCH

[lavish galleon]

Dude, I "work" as an indie dev and i'd pay to do a shitty interview lol

[mild ginkgo]

you just gotta attend an event

and youll get interviews

[lavish galleon]

lol

[prisma halo]

vultures, eh?

[lavish galleon]

yeah, I did wearing a studio shirt and got ignored

also Why am I watching this still... Theyre talking about USBs and phones

[mild ginkgo]

no i mean like, do a booth

[lavish galleon]

ahhh... have you seen the price of a booth?

[mild ginkgo]

yeah ive paid for them

[lavish galleon]

Yeah

then you have to pay for the net

Its great when they just give you a sheet of pricing on top of your base cost

[mild ginkgo]

yeah thats how it goes

freeman

[lavish galleon]

Ok does anyone know when it gets to the interview? because I want to Van Gogh myself

[mild ginkgo]

its not worth your time dude, theres like 50 better podcasts and interviews with dave that are way better

[prisma halo]

in other words

all of them

[mild ginkgo]

yes

[lavish galleon]

I just want to listen to the disappointment

[mild ginkgo]

just skip through till you hear dave

[lavish galleon]

They interviewed him in 2014 as well

Why would you do this shitshow twice Dave?!

[mild ginkgo]

9:30 seconds

[lavish galleon]

cheers, I skipped to 10

[mild ginkgo]

yeah perfect

[lavish galleon]

ohhohoh

They have no idea

[mild ginkgo]

its really really really bad

[lavish galleon]

it is

[mild ginkgo]

god listening to this again is painful

[lavish galleon]

I like when its devs or people that know how the industry works that interview devs

[mild ginkgo]

"so whats your position at new blood?"

ffs

[lavish galleon]

tbh I didnt know lol. But he really should have

[mild ginkgo]

yeah its not a secret

[lavish galleon]

the question should have been "For our audience"

[mild ginkgo]

says it right at the top of his fucking twitter page

[lavish galleon]

haha

[prisma halo]

wew

[lavish galleon]

lol

@prisma halo Noiec

[mild ginkgo]

"i played a lot of 90's fps in the 90's"

[prisma halo]

lmao

[lavish galleon]

Same

#Nostolgia

I also played a lot of PS2 games in the early to mid 00s

[mild ginkgo]

everyone did

the ps2 was a titan

[lavish galleon]

orly?

😛

[mild ginkgo]

these guys are so clueless

just not prepared in any way

[lavish galleon]

I think the yawns are because of their style

It seems really slow

[mild ginkgo]

he talks slow, because hes not good at thinking on his feet

[lavish galleon]

Reminds me of someone whos been up for 2 days straight

[mild ginkgo]

i cant listen to this again

too painful

tapping out

[lavish galleon]

I have to haha

Im part of a group that does Greenlight dev interviews, with terrible GL asset flipping devs. Most of them talk like this

Just that slow, slurred kinda speech

no offense to them but it gets really tedious

[mild ginkgo]

so are you happy about the end of greenslight?

[lavish galleon]

more or less

No one actually knows what the new system is

So im not going all conspiracy theorist and going "ohh its going to make it easier for scammers"

as well as I am looking for a publisher anyway so GL was/is a last resort for me

id rather have full representation

but keep the IP

Ok im done with that podcast. He says Shareware and then the guy goes on a rant about what shareware is and forgets what its called...

[acoustic oriole]

I'll spare myself the pain of going through that interview

it sounds like you guys suffered enough for everyone in this Discord

[lavish galleon]

We only had to listen, imagine being part of it

[acoustic oriole]

I feel your pain, Dave

[gleaming berry]

thank you

it was rough

[lavish galleon]

We're they really that dull?

They sound like they're just having a casual chat to you not doing a podcast

[junior phoenix]

i like the quality options

1996 1999 LUDICROUS

nice touch

[jade root]

kek

[junior phoenix]

kinda sad that 1996 runs worse than LUDICROUS

[slate edge]

wait what

[junior phoenix]

dunno why tho

[slate edge]

oh yeah

[mild ginkgo]

Because it has additional effecrs

[slate edge]

i remember

[mild ginkgo]

It renders it full red and then downrez

[junior phoenix]

kinda wierd approach tho

[mild ginkgo]

Probably same story with the limited color palette

Not at all

It's a simple and effective one

[junior phoenix]

well why render fullrez and then downrez it when you can render it lowrez and upsacle it withouth filtering

[obtuse apex]

here we go

[junior phoenix]

should get more fps that way

[obtuse apex]

buckle up

[junior phoenix]

and same effect

or am i missing a point?

[mild ginkgo]

It won't look the same

[junior phoenix]

maybe, thats true

nvm back to game

:D

[mild ginkgo]

It's meant to look like software rendering, not just be low resolution

[thorn trout]

to my knowledge there's no way to render at partial res in Unity

so you have to render it normally then downres as a post process effect

[junior phoenix]

you technically can with two cameras, or maybe even with one

[thorn trout]

not as far as I know

[junior phoenix]

i dunno, just saying ideas

werent working with unity for long time but i think it is doable

and should definitely favor performance

[mild ginkgo]

Overly complicated

What's there works well

[thorn trout]

The lowest resolution Unity supports (on Windows at least) is 640x480.

[junior phoenix]

you can set custom one through code

[mild ginkgo]

Natively

[slate edge]

dare you to do 320x240

[thorn trout]

I've tried that, and it doesn't work. Nothing I've found online has any solution other than post proccesing

setting through code I mean

[junior phoenix]

hmm interesting

[mild ginkgo]

Zombie did it last night actually

[thorn trout]

anything lower than 640x480 is treated as 640x480

[slate edge]

aww

[thorn trout]

that's Zombie though. He's magic

[mild ginkgo]

Yeah

Agreed

[slate edge]

Would be funny to get software rendering look and have 4 pixels worth of gameplay

[thorn trout]

I'm sure there's some way to uber hack it to make it work, but just working in Unity everything I've found points to it being impossible outside of either render textures or post

post is nice anyway, because it means you can easily create a low res effect while maintaining aspect ration and fov, without having to resort to "fake" resolutions

[mild ginkgo]

Render textured are way worse perf as well

[thorn trout]

and there's very little performance cost. Or at least there shouldn't be much.

[mild ginkgo]

Post is a great solution

It also can be modified real time

Unlike native rez

[thorn trout]

Yeah Render Textures are NOT ideal. I experimented with that for awhile and they can be really weird and finnicky.

[junior phoenix]

well im getting around 50% perf loss

[thorn trout]

yeah that too

[mild ginkgo]

Real time modifications to post look great

[thorn trout]

@junior phoenix THAT'S weird

[junior phoenix]

but im on my ntb so maybe only integrated graphic cant handle the stuff

dunno

ill compare it with desktop afterwards

[thorn trout]

are you sure it's tied directly to the pixel filter and not something else?

[junior phoenix]

turning it off doubles fps

[thorn trout]

that's really bizarre. There should be little to no performance hit. It's a fairly simple post filter.

that's the only setting that affects it?

[junior phoenix]

seems like that

[mild ginkgo]

Haven't seen anyone else with that issue

Strange

[junior phoenix]

well how many people play on Intel HD 3000

:D

im telling you ill try it on desktop afterwards

[thorn trout]

I'm also trying to remember if demo actually disables pixel filter. New version with a pixel amount slider runs everything through it, even if it's "off"

[mild ginkgo]

There we go :) achieved because it's a post effect

That'd be a mess if it was native

[thorn trout]

indeed

[mild ginkgo]

I did a bunch of research on ps1 style graphics in unity, you arrived at the same conclusions I did

[junior phoenix]

im still getting above 60fps when im playing at 1366x768 so cool

like without effects

[thorn trout]

Yeah it was the best solution I could find, and I've been happy with it. Being able to easily adjust everything at runtime is nice. I'm a bit concerned that it seems to be tied to performance for @junior phoenix , but then with some of the other optimization issues that still need fixed...

Enemy AI is a massive hog for instance

[mild ginkgo]

Hoo boy fuck AI

You can take your A* and shove it

[junior phoenix]

yep

[quiet rose]

What are you running to have DUSK run like shit?

[thorn trout]

I'm just using Unity's navmeshes

which have their own issues

[quiet rose]

a friend with a i3 and a 550ti has it run flawlessly

[junior phoenix]

im on ntb now, older one as well

2gb RAM, i3 cpu with Intel igpu HD 3000

theres the problem

[quiet rose]

well there you go.

[junior phoenix]

but ill try it on desktop

anyway it should run like this imo even on this specs

[quiet rose]

well considering the minimum specs are already really low...

a GeForce 9800GT destroys a hd 3000 anyways

[junior phoenix]

its fairly simple game graphicallt speaking so theres that

there must be sth thats really eating up frametime

shaders maybe?

[thorn trout]

I expect there will be complaints about performance no matter what. Dusk looks like it should run on anything, but a) it's Unity, so it's not going to be as speedy as an actual game from the 90s, b) it's doing a lot more than you'd expect from the visuals, c) I'm programming it, so it's not going to be perfectly optimized.

[junior phoenix]

you said you are using default ones for now

[thorn trout]

yes, kind og

*of

[quiet rose]

runs fine on my 1080 :^)))))))

[mild ginkgo]

He's not doing any fancy shader stuff as far as I can tell

[quiet rose]

The shaders are nice even if they are simple.

[mild ginkgo]

But we haven't seen the water yet

[junior phoenix]

well post is shader too in its own kind

[quiet rose]

I love the atmosphere

[thorn trout]

There's some stupidity I do to fake the lighting that probably results in way more draw calls than it should

[junior phoenix]

dunno

[mild ginkgo]

Show us water <3

[junior phoenix]

static can cause trouble too

when you set it to sth thats actually not so static

and otherwise not set it to sth which is static

resulting in more drawcalls too

[thorn trout]

I suspect Zombie hasn't seen the part of the game that deals with lighting, because I haven't gotten lectured yet :P

[mild ginkgo]

It's fine. Jpg

[junior phoenix]

anyway im jumping in and out of game to write here

need to play guys

your beepin much

:D

#nohate

[thorn trout]

surprisingly fine, it seems, but it's not what you'd call normal

basically every moving object is an instanced material

which means lots of draw calls

[mild ginkgo]

Been there

It works fine

[thorn trout]

yeah, I was expecting they'd eat performance, but it seems like not. Biggest performance eater is still the AI

but it also means no Dusk mobile port any time soon :D

[mild ginkgo]

We live in an age where draw calls aren't a problem

On pc*

[junior phoenix]

kinda

[thorn trout]

There's a lot of really insane solutions to things in the Dusk code tbh, because I am what happens when a right brained person has to program stuff

some of them I'm quite proud of

[mild ginkgo]

If it works it works

[quiet rose]

i mean

[junior phoenix]

yep

[quiet rose]

if dave hasnt complained about performance yet

[junior phoenix]

except when its not

[quiet rose]

its prob good

[junior phoenix]

then theres a problem

yeah its not bad perf all things considered but could be optimized more tbh

but thats for later i think

[thorn trout]

Considering my PC is lower spec than most peoples' and I average around 100 FPS in the standalone build, I think it will probably be fine for most desktops. Laptops, I dunno...

[crimson folio]

Why would you play DUSK on mobile?

[obtuse apex]

wow serious you should just make ur own game

[junior phoenix]

writting your own shaders can help a lot, proper batching too

[thorn trout]

@crimson folio same reason I have to have gamepad support: there are sick people in the world :P

[crimson folio]

Lol

[junior phoenix]

and for posts you know the best if it is optimal

[thorn trout]

tbh I don't get the feeling that rendering is the bottleneck... it seems more like CPU.

[junior phoenix]

maybe

[slate edge]

Dusk can run on 1gb VRAM

[mild ginkgo]

Unity is super CPU hungry

[junior phoenix]

i dunno how many drawcalls are there, can you display it somehow outside of unity?

kinda curious

[mild ginkgo]

The drawcalls aren't the problem

I promise

[thorn trout]

well, on my end performance was basically the same regardless of draw call stuff, but scripts definitely hog a lot of memory.

esp AI

[junior phoenix]

i believe you i just want to see them :D cause they "can" be problem when it comes to CPU

CPU issues them

not GPU

[crimson folio]

It ran on my shitty netbook, GMA 3150, worse than almost all of the integrated GPUs, except the audio was slow and the screen was pink, no pixel shader 2.0 lol

[thorn trout]

and I know for a fact there's references I haven't cached properly and stuff like that that I can clean up

[slate edge]

Any chance of getting 144 fps, or something to better sync with 144 hz monitors?

[crimson folio]

I think the framerate was bad but hey, it still ran

[slate edge]

I believe its capped at 125 region

[mild ginkgo]

He can open up the profile window and look at exactly what is eating CPU time

Jenerik dusk. Ini

[thorn trout]

@slate edge absolutely. FPS lock can be changed or turned off from the config file, and will either be disabled by default, or locked at 144 by default.

[slate edge]

Yay!

[junior phoenix]

yeah i know theres profiler

[crimson folio]

Eww, pls no FPS locks

[thorn trout]

@junior phoenix yeah I'm not sure there's a way to see that in the standalone build.

[slate edge]

I await the day when one can try to exceed 1k fps on Dusk

[junior phoenix]

btw good point - just look there where it takes most time

[thorn trout]

but in Unity there's a lot of profiling resources

[junior phoenix]

yep

and you can i think but you need to build it with debugging enabled or what

[thorn trout]

@crimson folio I'll probably just ship it unlocked, but the functionality is there if for some reason it needs to be locked. I know Unity can be hard on GPUs sometimes.

[junior phoenix]

or is it for mobile only?

i know there was an option to include profiler for sure

[mild ginkgo]

You can build with debug yes

[junior phoenix]

but dunno if it was platform specific

[thorn trout]

oh really?

hmm, well... for next public build I might do that

[junior phoenix]

well debug only stores symbols so in output you get exact lines and script names when sth goes wrong for quicker debugging

also debug builds are even slower i think, has more cheks

but yeah, good for catching dem bugz

[thorn trout]

hmm yeah I see the option now

was just ignoring it :P

ugh I eant/need to work, but my back really hurts and I can't concentrate

*want

[junior phoenix]

i think that with debug builds, only difference is more checks under the hood, integrated console to print errors ingame and the output log having more detailed info

but thats that... its actually slower then release (obviously)

[mild ginkgo]

Yeah you just said that

[junior phoenix]

why is crouch toggling?

yeah i kno

ima stupid :P

im playing the game and tabbing in/out

sry for doubles

[thorn trout]

I like crouch toggle better. Full release will allow for both.

[mild ginkgo]

Crouch toggle is love

[thorn trout]

current version has so many options, you have no idea :)

[junior phoenix]

well time to release it

:P

[thorn trout]

more color options than Serious Sam

different HUD details

crosshairs

[junior phoenix]

lmao serious sam and its option menu

[thorn trout]

auto aim

[junior phoenix]

gold

[slate edge]

Dot crosshair? :D

[thorn trout]

all sorts of stuff

[junior phoenix]

autoaim? y tho

[thorn trout]

absolutely. That's my favorite one

[mild ginkgo]

Controller support

[thorn trout]

autoaim for playing keyboard only, WHICH IS TOTALLY POSSIBLE

[junior phoenix]

ou

i like sounds of that

[thorn trout]

and controller support, if I can make myself care enough to deal with Unity's awful controller support

[junior phoenix]

all doomy/quaky

[thorn trout]

indeed

[junior phoenix]

i thought of it more like autoaim in hl for some reason when i read that

[jade root]

@thorn trout why bother, steam is adding controller supposrt to all games anyway

[thorn trout]

yeah I'm considering not bothering tbh :P

[graceful wing]

aye steam's effectively getting joy2key built into it

[junior phoenix]

btw, i hope by autoaim in that context you mean the thing where Y axis doesnt matter

[thorn trout]

it's more like traditional autoaim

sadly

[junior phoenix]

:(

[thorn trout]

but if I have time I might do the y axis thing

[junior phoenix]

cause Y axis ignore is more quaky/doomy

or did quake actually had "traditional" aim?

i think it had it like in doom no? no crazy corrections

[thorn trout]

naw, you're right, it was mostly on y axis. I think Quake had a biiit of x though?

[junior phoenix]

i dunno thats why im asking :P

[mild ginkgo]

Quake had lots of both axis slop

But traditional aim

[junior phoenix]

and doom had it definitely Y only, as it was raycaster of sorts,

internaly all was 2d so there was no Y axis to begin with

[quiet rose]

[obtuse apex]

doom has

A y axis

doom is 3d

[junior phoenix]

fake y

[obtuse apex]

u nerd

no omg

[junior phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6Eo1D6VW8

[jade root]

plz dont tell me you are basing this off of that game theory

OMG HE IS

[junior phoenix]

• if you know coding look at the source code boy

[jade root]

OMG OMG OMG

[thorn trout]

ooh boy, dis gonna get ugly

[jade root]

HOLY SHIT

[obtuse apex]

https://youtu.be/4GJ-gzna_dE

[jade root]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE DONT USE GAME THEORY AS A LEGIT SOURCE

[crimson folio]

Jab

Stfu

[obtuse apex]

that video btfo game theory

[junior phoenix]

im not i seriousely looked into source code, resp. i was studying it

im ignorant maybe and overlooked sth

[thorn trout]

can you tl;dr it? I'm uploading so I can't watch videos

[junior phoenix]

ill watch that vid tho

curious what he has to say

[jade root]

IF

[obtuse apex]

basically it presents the argument that since you can dodge under projectiles, it has a real z axis, making it 3d

but theres more to it

[jade root]

IF YOU ARENT SERIOUSLY USING IT AS A SOURCE DONT USE IT TO BACK UP YOUR ARGUMENT

[quiet rose]

the source code supports what the not game theory video is proving to be correct.

[thorn trout]

it is true though that a lot of Doom is basically a 2d map turned into 3d though, right?

[quiet rose]

yes/no

video explains it

i have to go so i cant explain it rn

[crimson folio]

Let's just say that it's 2.5D

[jade root]

best way of summing it up

[quiet rose]

that would stll be incorrect in a way but i gotta go fuck

[slate edge]

it is 2.5D

[quiet rose]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Lincity-ng.png

this is 2,5d

[crimson folio]

That's not an FPS though

[narrow mica]

Doom has 3D environments with 2D sprites

End of story

[quiet rose]

^ whoa look at this guy

thinkin he can /thread like that

:P

[junior phoenix]

ok watched the video

[quiet rose]

already? Its still going for me

[junior phoenix]

i didnt looked into the internal handling, so ok calculations are really done in 3d

mistakes made

[thorn trout]

environments aren't completely 3d though, because you can't have room over room architecture?

[vague egret]

Doom uses ray casting. Which is 2.5d

[junior phoenix]

@thorn trout you could have, like in Duke Nukem 3D through clever teleporting

[mild ginkgo]

It has coordinates in 3 dimensional space

That's all that matters

[junior phoenix]

bu not in original i think

[thorn trout]

@junior phoenix yeah I know you could fake it, but you couldn't ACTUALLY have it

[junior phoenix]

yep

cause internally its still 2d map

stitched to look like 3d

[acoustic oriole]

looks like I'm back into another juicy argument

[junior phoenix]

thats why i was kinda stunned now, i was looking only at renderer side of things so my mistake

was not looking into actual logic behind the shooting etc.

i was trying to create raycaster once so took an inspiration

[vague egret]

Wolf 3d used similar tech. Almost identical even

[junior phoenix]

and i also got mislead in the process

• that GT video fucked it even more

thanks for that vid tho

learned sth

[obtuse apex]

np

[thorn trout]

anyone know why enemies were infinitely high if projectiles weren't?

[narrow mica]

The doom engine allows for more level geometry than the wolf engine does

[junior phoenix]

Lain not true. Wolf3D used a very very basic raycaster

[vague egret]

Right. But the concept is the same

[junior phoenix]

technically speaking yes, both are raycasters

but still they are not the same under the hood

omg i forgot i have dusk open :O

how could i

btw i really like it so far

only thing that really annoys me is that crouch toggle... crouch jumping is kinda made crap imo cause of it

cause i land crouched always

makes me sad

is it that hard to implement it to the existing code that you are leaving it to the end?

[thorn trout]

I'm not leaving it to the end! It's already in. Just not in the demo.

[junior phoenix]

ou

youve said sth youre leaving it to the end

or i misundertood what you have written maybe

lazy to search for it

are you taking fallin damage?

i think not

[mild ginkgo]

No.

[junior phoenix]

ok

i tried to climb down the ladder

[mild ginkgo]

Ladders are fixed already

[junior phoenix]

and it was really bad but you said you fixed it so fuck it

ive fallen down and didnt took damage, thought its a bug

[acoustic oriole]

I just got stuck in the ceiling in endless mode D: ouch

[junior phoenix]

if it a feature holy shit

[thorn trout]

hmm

@junior phoenix no falling damage or drowning!

[junior phoenix]

yeah i know they should be fixed, david told us at least so some time ago

woohoo

i like that

but you get damage from rocket jumps i suppose

[acoustic oriole]

of course

[junior phoenix]

need to find rocket launcher

or idkfa it

but wanna play first without cheats

[thorn trout]

yeah rockets do damage

[junior phoenix]

"cheats"

[acoustic oriole]

you can't miss it in the demo

[mild ginkgo]

How have you not finished

It's been like an hour

[junior phoenix]

im tabbing out like crazy

[mild ginkgo]

It's a 1 minute demo

[junior phoenix]

so many things happen

[jade root]

then shut the fuck up and finish it

[junior phoenix]

i cant

[thorn trout]

or a 40 hour demo if you're @strong tartan

[junior phoenix]

youre beepin much

and dont want to close discord

[jade root]

MUTE THE CHANNEL

[strong tartan]

ha

[junior phoenix]

too much effor

[acoustic oriole]

that's no way to play :D relax, put your feet up, turn off steam messages sound and notifications and rock it out

[narrow mica]

Also David are there gonna be trading cards

[jade root]

M U T E T H E C H A N N E L

FFS

[junior phoenix]

how even

[acoustic oriole]

just mute the entire server

[mild ginkgo]

Lots of effort

[junior phoenix]

oh

found it

lel

muted yall

[jade root]

NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FINISH THE DEMO

[acoustic oriole]

or god forbid close discord and come back when you're done lol

[junior phoenix]

YES SIR YES SIR

[acoustic oriole]

have fun

@thorn trout will it help if I'll find where exactly I got stuck in the ceiling?

[graceful wing]

yeh you don't want all notifications on for a server this big. it's gonna drive you nuts

[thorn trout]

@acoustic oriole sure, yeah.

[junior phoenix]

the crate fell on me and i autocrouched

[acoustic oriole]

it was here, (on the left is the assault rifle spawn)

on that little vent thingy

I was bunny hopping around and somehow snapped in there

now I see how I managed to get there

I bunny hopped over an enemy

[thorn trout]

hmm, ok. Thanks!

[acoustic oriole]

hope it helps

ish

going back to it

[junior phoenix]

ok finished

thoughts?

AMAZING

btw how was you supposed to get on the barn without rocket laucnher?

am i missing sth?

[mild ginkgo]

Use the mortar.

[obtuse apex]

Alt f4

[thorn trout]

or gas cans

[junior phoenix]

i tried

the mortar

couldnt get there

[mild ginkgo]

The answer is get good

[junior phoenix]

yep

i need to

anyway really great

better than watching it on videos to say the least

[jade root]

hang on i have a gif

[junior phoenix]

it would be sth nice i suppose

[jade root]

http://imgur.com/wlXC3Fe

[junior phoenix]

hmm i need to git gud yeah

[crimson folio]

Fucking

[junior phoenix]

tried it few times and couldnt get it right

[crimson folio]

I tried so hard

But failed so much

In the end

[jade root]

its ez once you get it

[crimson folio]

I still got up there

[acoustic oriole]

gotta learn the timing of the jump

it comes easy

[crimson folio]

HUEHUEHUE

[junior phoenix]

yep

[jade root]

its a pain on sickles only runs

[junior phoenix]

as you used to in the 90s playin dem quake all night

[acoustic oriole]

speakin of sickles

[crimson folio]

I jumped up there from the top of the door that leads down to a basement

[acoustic oriole]

I had no idea it can deflect bullets till someone casually mentioned it here

projectiles*

[jade root]

yep

[crimson folio]

Same

I even forgot when I played

[jade root]

sickles bullet defelction only way to get sword

[acoustic oriole]

i didnt discover all the secrets yet

i have no idea how to get the sword

[crimson folio]

Excuse me? @jade root

EXCUSE ME?

[jade root]

you can delfect bullets

to hit the wood beam

[junior phoenix]

hmm funny

[crimson folio]

"Only way to get a sword"

[mild ginkgo]

I like to get the sword from above

[jade root]

to get the sword

[junior phoenix]

playing it for second time

fps reaaaly dropped

dunno why

[jade root]

Bad pc

thats why

[crimson folio]

You can just shoot that fucking board

[junior phoenix]

it is i know

[jade root]

SICKLES ONLY RUN

[crimson folio]

OH

[thorn trout]

did it drop when you were in the house?

[junior phoenix]

but why transition menu -> game -> menu -> game done that

[mild ginkgo]

Or jump into the Cage from out of bounds

[junior phoenix]

no just started the demo level again

[jade root]

im gonna play some duks now

[thorn trout]

heh @mild ginkgo I guess that could work too :D

[jade root]

Sickles only run

100%

[acoustic oriole]

that endless mode is perfect to get used to the combat

i admit im still a noob so far though

my record so far is 163 enemies

[thorn trout]

tbh Quakecon endless arena is trash compared to new endless arena. It's super fun.

[acoustic oriole]

looking forward to give it a spin

the new one, is that the one with those goats and jumpads?

[thorn trout]

yup

jump pads do so much for the game

[acoustic oriole]

being in the air in dusk is really intense

so I can't imagine how jump pads affect the pace

[crimson folio]

OH MAN

I gotta git gud in aerial combat

So I can be popular

Along with 500 and Bread

[acoustic oriole]

you can't really practice the backflips in the current arena

[crimson folio]

When I have the chance mate

[thorn trout]

it's really fun. The backflips still require a bit of practice to be able to use, but once you get the hang of them they're really fun.

yeah there's no real air stuff in the demo, sadly. There's going to be a lot more in the final game

[crimson folio]

I don't remembering but could you also move your camera in the air in the demo?

[obtuse apex]

Are you talking about the one that was in the pax south build

[thorn trout]

yeah

[obtuse apex]

Yeah that was fun af

[crimson folio]

I mean

[thorn trout]

@crimson folio you could, but there weren't many places where it was practical outside of rocket jumping

[crimson folio]

Yeah yeah I know that

[narrow mica]

Wait there are jump pads in this too

[acoustic oriole]

yeah, it's in the trailer, even

[narrow mica]

Please no bullshit platforming sections like in ROTT

[crimson folio]

I wanted to say it like umm...

You could do a side flip in the prototypes right? Is that still a thing in the demo?

[thorn trout]

naw there won't be anything like that. There might be a few "platforming" segments, but they'd be more about having fun flying through the air as opposed to masking really difficult jumps

[narrow mica]

Oh thank the lord

[thorn trout]

@crimson folio yeah it's in the demo. There just aren't any good places to do it.

[crimson folio]

Oh sweet

I didn't notice

[acoustic oriole]

there's a side flip in the demo? Oo

[crimson folio]

Guess I was too focused on front and back flips

[thorn trout]

hold on, uploading gif of jump pad stuff

[acoustic oriole]

• puppy eyes *

[crimson folio]

Yaaaas

[acoustic oriole]

6 hours spent replaying the demo and endless mode

... and counting

getting Shareware doom vibes here

[crimson folio]

Sadly I haven't got a chance to play it much

Only played it once

But that's for the better

[acoustic oriole]

yeah not everyone's like that

sometimes people can get burned out real quick if they replay something too much

[acoustic oriole]

so that way you're leaving fun to be had in the full release