can i have the game now? 😛
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
wicked blaze
gleaming berry
we COULD kill that branch but we nice ppl
plus ive only given out like 100+ keys so not like it's a big deal
knotty python
I'll gameshare my account for 50 bucks Hadoken ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
wicked blaze
oh you mean like.. mighty no 9 did ? 😐 haha
gleaming berry
HOPEFULLY YOU BUY COPIES FOR UR FRIENDSS
crimson folio
I'll give my soul for an alpha key, LOL
gleaming berry
I never played Mighty No 9
knotty python
Pixel, send 50 bucks to my paypal ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
gleaming berry
it did not look good
foggy plaza
never play mighty no9
gleaming berry
I already played Mega Man 2
prisma halo
inb4 New Blood gets sued for defamation
foggy plaza
its trash and dumb to smoke
knotty python
How bad was it
narrow mica
Did you play it
knotty python
1 being bad
crimson folio
Mighty No 9: It's better than nothing
knotty python
10 being bad
prisma halo
Mighty No. 9/10 needs more dialogue -IGN
crimson folio
I don't feel bad for pirating MN9 because I refuse to give comcept my money, they disappointed so many people when that came out and I feel bad for everyone that backed it
wicked blaze
i mean in all honesty, I didn't hate the gameplay, but it overall wasn't what I really expected (and the final boss is absolute trash)
knotty python
I've never pirated a game because I'm afraid the FBI will buttfuck me
foggy plaza
pirate that shit
wicked blaze
I still haven't gotten a few of my physical items I was supposed to get for backing
crimson folio
It's the only game where I chose to pirate it, not because I didn't want to buy the game but because the company was shady as fuck.
wicked blaze
emails to Comcept are being ignored
foggy plaza
member the early 00s ? where you had rapidshare and everything was there
wicked blaze
Fangamer said they're supposed to ship this month, but Comcept haven't given them the assets to print anything yet
prisma halo
I pirated Duke Nukem Forever because I knew it wasn't going to be worth my money after I played the First Access Demo
crimson folio
Comcept still has Red Ash coming and I don't even know what happened to the 3DS and Vita Ports
knotty python
I like DNF
crimson folio
I asked Deep Silver about those ports and they are still TBA
prisma halo
you disgust me
wicked blaze
Duke Forever is the subject of way too much hyperbole 😛
knotty python
The single player is what I expected
Duke killing everything, crackling one liners, going into strip clubs
knotty python
MP was also what I expected
gleaming berry
WTF I backed this 4 years ago
wicked blaze
hahahaha jesus
crimson folio
It's Better Than Nothing 
knotty python
Duke killing everything, cracking one liners, going into strip clubs
prisma halo
So killing everything, cracking one liners and going into strip clubs is what makes a Duke game to you?
Not actual fun gameplay?
knotty python
That is fun gameplay imo
wicked blaze
I mean, they were NEVER going for old school gameplay
gleaming berry
Duke Forever would have been great if it came out in 1998 or 2001
back when linear FPS with 2 weapons and turret sections were cool
knotty python
I still want the 01 version though.
prisma halo
Those are important parts of a Duke game but they aren't going to save it if the core gameplay sucks ass
I never found those kinds of FPS games cool, honestly
also fun fact
gleaming berry
I mean back then Halo and shit was super popular
wicked blaze
Duke Forever still did things that I think paved the way for Doom or something
gleaming berry
and that was the trend
prisma halo
DNF 2002 was a more complete version of DNF 2001, and had parts of the game that were near-final
foggy plaza
broken age...never could finish it
prisma halo
and then it was scrapped in favor of Doom 3-ifying it
thorn trout
Duke Nukem forever was ok. It had some cool parts.
prisma halo
:^)
wicked blaze
doom2016 *
crimson folio
I have DNF sitting in my Steam Library from a humble bundle. Wasn't that bad as people make it out to be but man it feels like it came out at the wrong place in the wrong time
thorn trout
it was an average FPS with cool interaction
knotty python
Duke
thorn trout
I've played worse
wicked blaze
if Take 2 didn't absolutely wreck 3DR in 2009 it probably would have come out that year and been fine
gleaming berry
1v1 me in DukeBurger in ROTT
knotty python
nah
crimson folio
If anything if DNF came out this year instead of Duke Nukem 3D World Tour I would be more optimistic.
prisma halo
DNF 1998 was definitely just bite sized moments. They were all intended to be real gameplay in the long run, but the team found out very quickly that the Quake engine could not get them where they wanted to go so the 1998 content when compared to modern efforts would best be described as "Proof of Concept". I think they could have made a *great* game with the Quake engine, but I also think switching to Unreal was the appropriate choice if the project had been properly focused toward a release date.
I bet you 50 bucks I can beat you in a doom 2016 match ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
prisma halo
DNF 2001+ was far far beyond "Proof of Concept". There was a game there. It wasn't done, but there was a game there. There is so much to Slick Willy and Lake Mead that nobody here except Fred and those he's shared with have seen... and I'm not even sure they have builds that demonstrate the full scope of what was playable start to finish and ready for shipping polish efforts.
Regarding linear vs non... the Half Life comparison is valid (shhh... because George told us to mimic Half Life... which was a good directive and he was right). The maps at the 2001+ time tried to give as much flexibility as possible... but you couldn't go from the "John Carpenter's Vampires" Motel to the Slick Willy (all the same level)... until you had solved the puzzles in "John Carpenter's Vampires". When I compare the 2001+ version to what was released... Jimmy is absolutely right that the entire feel and structure of the released DNF was far more linear and "DO IT BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO SEE FUNNY HAHA SEE WE ARE FUNNY OMG PLEASE LAUGH" than the 2001+ designs.
did you know that Bombshell game is getting a prequel made in the BUILD engine?
prisma halo
The entire conversation is a wash. The OG content gave you choices and rarely forced you to do the "HAHA WE'RE SO FUNNY" things. The mentality was about discovery of things that you normally wouldn't expect a game to do. The final release... SHOVED ITS FUNNY DOWN YOUR THROAT AND MADE YOU GAG.
So that's all possibly too wishy washy to help... but the level to level big moment to big moment progression in the 2001+ era was fairly linear for sure... but the on the ground second to second feeling of choice in the 2001+ version was far more expansive and people could have played the whole game and go online and realize they missed the best parts.```quotes from a former dev
gleaming berry
yeah they changed the name tho didn
crimson folio
Hell wasn't last year the 20th anniversary of duke?
prisma halo
on DNF
gleaming berry
t they?
I have no idea what 3DR is up to these days everyone I know there has left
Rad Rogers is nice tho
gleaming berry
No I'm gonna go play console gamez on my TV
prisma halo
Voidpoint isn't sure if they should have Bombshell in the game's name because it would associate it with Bombshell's shortcomings
gleaming berry
I have to finalize all the fantasies
WELL associating with Bombshell is not great but you can't try to hide the fact that it's a bombshell game
prisma halo
That's the thing
wicked blaze
oh, i guess i'm not up to date 😐
gleaming berry
they could just make a different game in the build engine
swap her out for someone else
idk
knotty python
Duke ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
gleaming berry
make a new character named
prisma halo
I'm not sure why it has to be bombshell
wicked blaze
well bombshell was just a duke game with a few changed names and stuff
gleaming berry
Luke Fukem
wicked blaze
so they could just do that again
knotty python
Buke Bukem
gleaming berry
Doug Huggem
knotty python
Suke Sukem
crimson folio
Thinking about it, a lot of games last year had a long development cycle and most of them turned out good in the end.
prisma halo
Bombshell as a character wasn't even that cool when she was just Duke's blonde sidekick
knotty python
Duke Duckem
wicked blaze
there's a cool bit of concept art for her in the art book thing
prisma halo
when she became Kristen Stewart the video game character she wasn't much better
wicked blaze
her in all that EDF gear
crimson folio
Final Fantasy XV, Last Guardian, Owlboy. These all turned out quite well besides Last Guardian which has a lot of techincal issues holding it back but it's still a really good game
wicked blaze
Owlboy looks good, but uhh
gleaming berry
the rad rogers art book is really nice
knotty python
Because it was supposed to be a PS3 game fyi
gleaming berry
I did not like ICO
crimson folio
Yeah but they could've used another 3-4 more months
gleaming berry
not interested in Last guardian
wicked blaze
I started Last Guardian last night, am loving it so far, never played a team ICO game
wicked blaze
oh my GOD
knotty python
w8 for the take down request soon
wicked blaze
was this recent?
knotty python
get it while its hot
crimson folio
GET IT LADS
prisma halo
@knotty python no game data
knotty python
o
prisma halo
it's just the source code, you can't actually play the game with this unless you convert the game files to a format it can read
idk if the tools for that are included
wicked blaze
i briefly looked ofr this yesterday, but I was told it was taken down or something
knotty python
I have a copy of Powerslave EX if anyone wants it
prisma halo
I have it too
crimson folio
Me as well
prisma halo
I also have an updated version that wasn't released (by Kaiser himself anyway)
wicked blaze
was just playing the Turok port he did
prisma halo
link is now in that thread's OP
wicked blaze
pretty great for $5 in the sale
prisma halo
Duke4 forums, not dukeworld
prisma halo
yes
knotty python
boi wheres it at
prisma halo
this is the thread anyway
prisma halo
np
narrow mica
Wait didn't nightdive get this lisence
knotty python
nope
prisma halo
the source release is probably even newer
maybe I should compile it
NightDive was rumored to get the Powerslave IP, but they don't own Kaiser's code
knotty python
I also would like to note that a lot of the core code in this verrsion of Kex is already out of date and is somewhat bugged. Though there has been a lot of improvements in other projects since this build, there's currently no plans to back-port those updates just yet. All levels, textures, audio and sprites have been stripped. However I am currently looking into a solution to generate the game data from the original PSX CD.
wicked blaze
is Kaiser going to be working on Turok 2?
prisma halo
I mean newer than Powerslave EX v1.0.2
That notice is probably in comparison to the version of Kex used in stuff like Turok
prisma halo
yes
knotty python
Alright.
prisma halo
the first one is v1.0 with the v1.0.1 patch I believe
then there's the one I posted, v1.0.2
knotty python
Ah, alright.
wicked blaze
so now that I have those 1.0.2 files, I just need the actual game I guess
wicked blaze
does that have the actual game data in it?
prisma halo
yes
prisma halo
tfw there's already brutal turok
wicked blaze
brutal dusk when
thorn trout
so Dave announced the price point?
prisma halo
I need to think of ways to make the modding SDK detect a Brutal mod and kill it
wicked blaze
hahaha i don't think so, he was just thinking out aloud, it seemed.. i think...
crimson folio
He said $19.99 for the PCDD and $49.99 for the Collector's Edition, this will likely not be final
thorn trout
yup, that's what we've been discussing.
prisma halo
I always hated the whole .99 thing with prices
thorn trout
wasn't sure if I could talk about it or not
prisma halo
is it so hard to just charge $20 and $50?
thorn trout
on Steam? Yes :P
prisma halo
cries
thorn trout
last I knew you can't charge round numbers
prisma halo
that's dumb
wicked blaze
wowee
prisma halo
Sell the game with an always-active 99 cent off sale
thorn trout
lol
prisma halo
at $21.99
thorn trout
that would work
fair plume
that would be cancer lmao
prisma halo
lmao
prisma halo
but yeah I don't think I've ever not hated the whole .99 practice
I was told when I was younger that it made things "seem cheaper"
wicked blaze
sell it at 99.99 and always run it 80% off
crimson folio
At least it worked for gifting Bad Rats 
thorn trout
It'll be interesting (if we end up going with $20) to see if people think that's a good price or not. For the quantity/quality of the content I'm shooting for I think it's fair, but everyone has very different ideas of what a fair price is.
mild ginkgo
most people willing to wait in a discord for the game to come out are gonna think its a fair price
its the people NOT here that are the worry
wicked blaze
I think it's pretty fair, you could probably go higher but then you'll get the above^
thorn trout
I think it's very risky for an indie game to shoot for anything about $20, tbh. That seems to be the limit people are willing to put up with
fair plume
yeah 19.99 seems fine with me
prisma halo
Just say you're a AAA studio in disguise and sell it for $80
wicked blaze
$20 is probably about the typical yeah
thorn trout
@fair plume yeah, those comments follow me wherever I go. "It has Minecraft graphics"
prisma halo
lol
fair plume
ugh i'm sorry 
crimson folio
At least your not Hello Games with Cough Cough That game that shall not be mentioned
thorn trout
@prisma halo heh I don't think they'd be fooled :)
prisma halo
I remember when I was playing Doom back when I was in school
wicked blaze
i know the new Shantae game just launched by WayForward, an established IP and full indie, and they went down to $20 when it's worth a lot more
prisma halo
some girl walked up behind me
crimson folio
Tell them that Minecraft's low poly face models are more beautiful than their's
fair plume
oh god
crimson folio
Lol
wicked blaze
hahahhahahaha
fair plume
she was into u fam
prisma halo
but also just, dead on the inside after hearing it
wicked blaze
"yes. It is minecraft."
prisma halo
lmao
knotty python
isnt minecraft 30 bucks
crimson folio
"Yes It's Minecraft" Oh my god
mild ginkgo
she was only into it if it WAS minecraft
thorn trout
oh wow lol
prisma halo
there was another person at that school
that not only thought games with older graphics were minecraft
she called it
"Mind Craft"
crimson folio
At the end of the day at least your indie game isn't like No Man's Sky
thorn trout
I remember people saying this had "Minecraft graphics": http://store.steampowered.com/app/359040/
like
what
crimson folio
Wait... let me see
thorn trout
@crimson folio nope! Most importantly, no procgen :)
prisma halo
fuckin' hate procgen
wicked blaze
procgen really is a big dumb meme right now huh
crimson folio
@thorn trout Well at least it worked for Don't Starve but that's about it as Survial games with Procgen
prisma halo
I almost always see it as a really lazy development style
mild ginkgo
procgen is the worst thing to happen to games
wicked blaze
procgen and open world need to calm down
mild ginkgo
sure
crimson folio
Why they put Procgen in Shadow Warrior 2 is beyond me
prisma halo
please make your games yourselves, devs
thorn trout
I dunno, I have a lot of respect for people who can do good procgen
mild ginkgo
deliberate design will always be better
prisma halo
those people exist?
wicked blaze
procgen can be done well, but most people don't care enough
prisma halo
good procgen you don't notice
because good procgen is no procgen :^)
thorn trout
@prisma halo anything more than boxy rooms and hallways is really impressive to me from a programming perspective :P
fair plume
or same models recolored/moved around
wicked blaze
good procgen is like, roguelikes and.... ___?
crimson folio
Procgen wasn't the worst thing about SW2, it was the dumb lootbox system
prisma halo
It's impressive until it's put into practice imo
mild ginkgo
sure. but after the amount of effort you would have to put into designing a good procgen, you wouldve been better off designing a real experience
thorn trout
I agree that functionally it's usually worse than handcrafted
prisma halo
@crimson folio no honestly the procgen was possibly one of the worst parts
I could've dealt with the loot if every level didn't look the fucking same
mild ginkgo
if everything is random, everything has very little meaning
wicked blaze
i didnt know SW2 had procgen
prisma halo
I find it amusing that the few handcrafted levels in SW2 are the most fun to play
crimson folio
@prisma halo I think the loot was worse but I can't deny that the procgen was uneeded.
knotty python
you guys remember when Nutella was a meme
wicked blaze
(i havent played it though)
atomic zinc
Help pls, they want to teach me stuff here
thorn trout
Oh, fun fact, the original Rise of the Triad had a random level generator that did the exact same "link together a bunch of premade rooms" thing that a lot of Roguelites do today!
prisma halo
SW2 was just a missed opportunity really
thorn trout
It wasn't great, but it was a cool novelty
wicked blaze
oh cool
prisma halo
the most important part
crimson folio
Honestly the best addition to SW2 was the co-op, other than that it was watered down compared to the first.
wicked blaze
^^^
crimson folio
Co-op Loot works unlike when your alone
One of the main reasons I enjoyed the Co-Op in SW2 was that it worked in a similar method to Borderlands 2 and I fucking love that game
thorn trout
What's your take on procgen in Roguelites @prisma halo ? Some would argue it's a necessary part of the genre to have a semi-randomized experience every time.
prisma halo
It can be okay sometimes, but I'm honestly a huge fan of handcrafted levels
knotty python
Same
prisma halo
I would very much prefer handcrafted over randomized in almost every instance
knotty python
Care and love put into levels
wicked blaze
Rogue Legacy does it pretty well
knotty python
really shows
mild ginkgo
also yes, the nutella meme was dumb
crimson folio
Say what you will about Gearbox but Borderlands is a great series when they don't milk it to death (But hey Tales of the Borderlands was good so I suppose)
thorn trout
For the most part I agree, yeah. I prefer handcrafted to randomized
prisma halo
If you want a semi-randomized experience
then you have things like traps in the levels
that can have randomized activation types
but if that is done
care needs to be taken to make them possible to notice
wicked blaze
i wish borderlands was more fun in SP
prisma halo
I wish Borderlands was fun
wicked blaze
heh
thorn trout
I just don't want to come down really hard on procgen since... you know, Strafe and Gibhard...
crimson folio
I think we can all agree Pre-Sequel was a huge letdown, it was more or less Borderlands 2.5 with less charm
wicked blaze
I think some games do it well, but a bunch of devs seem to want to use it as a crutch
prisma halo
Something that impressed me about Dusk from the get-go was the fact that there's no procgen at all
knotty python
It wasn't made by the original dev team.
wicked blaze
I liked PreSequel way more than 2
prisma halo
Pre-sequel was outsourced to an Aussie dev team afaik
crimson folio
Exactly, it wasn't developed by the original team. That's why it was underwelming.
knotty python
And it had a bunch of Aussie jokes
wicked blaze
Yeah, 2K Australia, who got shut down due to dubious reasons afterward
knotty python
no one understands
thorn trout
@prisma halo yeah handcrafted levels have been one of the main goals from the beginning :)
prisma halo
if only 2K would get shut down everywhere
wicked blaze
I think the Aussie jokes were great, but then I'm aussie.
wicked blaze
it had a bit less "meme humour" though
wicked blaze
unlike 2
prisma halo
DOOM's multiplayer bothers me in its presentation
crimson folio
I'm still waiting for Borderlands 3, that'll get me to care about Gearbox again. Still screw Randy Pitchford
knotty python
I fucking love DOOM MP
prisma halo
it tries to appeal to the "lol look I can DAB in my GAMES" audience too much
sure it's fun in some modes
but the presentation is what I have a problem with
wicked blaze
caring about gearbox
knotty python
I hope Gearbox dies in a fire
prisma halo
It's a shame because there are some good people at Gearbox
even if they're few and far between
knotty python
And Randy dies in a fucking car crash
wicked blaze
the only good thing they ever did was allowing the door to be closed on DNF finally
crimson folio
@wicked blaze Well it's hard to but they do make good games
wicked blaze
I like that they saved DNF to finally just END it.
prisma halo
honestly, I think we'd be better off if DNF was still unreleased
and the rights still in 3DR's hands
knotty python
DNF would still be a meme
prisma halo
Gearbox have done nothing but ruin the franchise thus far
wicked blaze
nah, 3DR were no better
crimson folio
I will not forgive Randy after that awful performance where he sang about fucking GamerGate, makes me wish Gearbox would just fire his ass
thorn trout
I need a Duke Nukem walking sim in my life. No joke. Just the "walk around and mess with stuff" parts of Duke Nukem Forever for the entire game. It would be awesome/
prisma halo
3DR at least had people at the company that knew what Duke was
prisma halo
@thorn trout fun fact, Gearbox cut out most of DNF's interactivity
thorn trout
noooooo why Gearbox
prisma halo
it was seen as "pointless"
thorn trout
best part of the game
wicked blaze
uhh
knotty python
It's like angry joe says
thorn trout
needed more of that and less bleh shooting
prisma halo
technically it could've been Triptych that removed it
but most signs point to Gearbox
knotty python
"IF MESSING WITH SHIT IS THE ICING ON THE CAKE"
"WHY DOES THE ICING TASTE LIKE SHIT"
prisma halo
@wicked blaze info from a dev
knotty python
-DNFs interactivity
crimson folio
Dude Pitchford tweeted at me several times and kept backpedaling about Aliens Colonial Marines and how it was SEGA's fault and not his which is obviously bullshit.
thorn trout
DNF actually had somer eally cool level ideas. Running around tiny platforming on burgers etc
wicked blaze
i got the impression Gearbox did basicly nothing when it came to gameplay
knotty python
Didn't they have to pay out shit because they false advertised it
crimson folio
Shocked Pitchford didn't block me because my god he's such an asshole.
thorn trout
really if the game had better combat it would have been good
prisma halo
there are small remnants of when DNF was a good game in DNF
wicked blaze
and it was all Triptych who stitched together everything they had after 3DR ended
duke burger is still an amazing level
prisma halo
hell, even the original Duke model from before Gearbox remodeled him into Guido Douche Nukem for no fucking reason is still in the files
crimson folio
@knotty python I think so, but the case was dismissed like a lot of False Advertising cases against video games.
prisma halo
It was certainly better than the Gearbox model
thorn trout
I feel like Duke NEEDS to look fucking weird though :P
prisma halo
and the '07 one was different
knotty python
That demo was made after the game went gold
wicked blaze
I just don't think half that stuff in the final 3DR builds that people hoped for was removed by gearbox or anything
knotty python
And all materials from thereforth must match the final product
wicked blaze
it's all triptych and their 2 writers who didn't even know duke
prisma halo
The Duke 2007 model isn't the one from 2009
the 2009 one is in the files, unused
I agree that the '07 one looks weird
knotty python
2007 looks like a blond douchebag
knotty python
2009 looks bad ass
wicked blaze
i have no idea how allen blum III, creator of duke, ended up recruiting people who had no idea how to write for duke
thorn trout
Ooh, or Duke Nukem Forever needed to be outsourced to, like, some developer in Russia, so they could inject it with QUALITY JANK
crimson folio
I think both Aliens Colonial Marines and No Man Sky should have been investigated further, both for using trailers with almost entire sections altered or change. Hell No Man's Sky still is using assets from the E3 Trailer and they're not in the game.
prisma halo
If DNF '02/'01 was released this year for $90 I'd still buy it
thorn trout
was Colonial Marines actually that bad?
wicked blaze
i would wish someone like the wolfenstein devs could somehow do a new duke game
crimson folio
Steam litterally just changed it's rules to only show screenshot of the game and Hello Games is already breaking that rule.
wicked blaze
i was confused, because MachineWorks Games was a thing too
prisma halo
that initially confused me too
wicked blaze
who made the shitty duke3D port to iOS ages ago
and the terrible Prey related mobile game
crimson folio
@thorn trout Unlike DNF, yes it's really that bad
wicked blaze
machinegames' efforts so far are beautiful
prisma halo
DNF was a terrible Duke game
If it was another franchise, it may not have sucked so much
wicked blaze
the synergy with iD is showing, they ended up helping on doom a bit too
prisma halo
it was another game with Duke's skin
prisma halo
I'm still waiting for a proper reveal
crimson folio
DNF is still a bad duke game but if you just accept it's just dumb fun then you'll find some enjoyment, otherwise I think it's just medicore game with tons of flaws
wicked blaze
i realise it's pretty silly of me to call something GOTY of some year when it's not even announced
prisma halo
I enjoyed the ladykiller casino section, albeit briefly
the rest of DNF was generic garbage with small remnants of a good game here and there
thorn trout
I thought DNF felt like a Duke game. Just one that took way too many gameplay cues from console shooters circa 2008
prisma halo
idk, they got everything about Duke wrong
prisma halo
his personality, his looks, even his voice was ruined (they got JSJ to re-record all the lines, and they didn't direct him when doing so)
wicked blaze
I just don't think JSJ is any good anymore
prisma halo
compare Duke's voice in DNF to that of Zero Hour, Duke3D or Manhattan Project
JSJ can still do the original voice
he has demonstrated it
he just has to grit his teeth when speaking
but Gearbox doesn't direct him
and he doesn't like gritting his teeth
wicked blaze
everyone keeps saying he's doing it wrong, but he's been wrong in DNF, in world tour, in the new bulletstorm thing
prisma halo
so we never get the real voice
crimson folio
I said this earlier but I think DNF would have worked if it came out in like 2015 or 2016 since we also had DOOM, probably wouldn't have done well but it would've made sense IMO
wicked blaze
DNF basically had the glory kill system, just less well implemented ;P
prisma halo
if DNF came out in 2015/2016 it would've been received even MORE harshly
thorn trout
SS3 had glory kills before Doom 2016. They just were useless :P
crimson folio
Yeah it sounds like DNF was doomed from the start, even releasing now would've not made a difference.
prisma halo
I'm still mad that Jon St. John thinks he knows Duke just because he does the voice
because if you listen to him talk about Duke
wicked blaze
^this
prisma halo
he really has no clue
prisma halo
Jon St. John thinks Douche Nukem is cool
crimson folio
Hey at least John St. John is doing the voice of Big The Cat again!
prisma halo
Jon St. John prefers Douche Nukem's voice to Duke Nukem's voice
He thinks the original voice "lacks character"
He has stated all of this publicly
on video
he has proven he can still do the old voice
but refuses to because of these reasons
and because Gearbox doesn't give a fuck about his performance
wicked blaze
well gearbox are probably like
prisma halo
Gearbox thinks if they paste Duke's name on something people will eat it up
wicked blaze
"well, he knows duke better than we do"
prisma halo
DUKE NUKEM'S BULLETSTORM TOUR
DUKE NUKEM'S BORDERLANDS TOUR
DUKE NUKEM'S BATTLEBORN TOUR
DUKE NUKEM'S <INSERT GAME HERE> TOUR
crimson folio
SEGA cares more about John doing Big The Cat than him doing Duke Nukem for Gearbox, also that Sonic Twitter account is the best
knotty python
DUKE NUKEM'S MARIO TENNIS TOUR
wicked blaze
I actually would get the bulletstorm one if it wasn't like a bajillion dollars
him not being in the other games already is just surprising
prisma halo
original bulletstorm is out for $5
full clip edition is the same thing with a duke nukem skin (as a PRE ORDER BONUS) for over $50
crimson folio
Oh god don't get me started on the Bulletstorm remaster and how awful it sounds
wicked blaze
at the moment though, I guess they're just trying to get people thinking about duke again in a not completely negative way
because the IP is trash right now
prisma halo
DID YOU HEAR DUKE'S VOICE IN THE BULLETSTORM FULL CLIP TRAILER?
IT HAS NEVER BEEN WORSE
knotty python
LGR does a better voice than that one lol
crimson folio
At the TGS this year his swears were bleeped
prisma halo
wicked blaze
duke as an IP is probably worthless unless they let it lay dormant for like 10 years, or slowly build it back up and then have an actual good game
prisma halo
watch the whole thing to let your disappointment build up before you hear and see Duke
wicked blaze
lmao LGR should really get the duke voice gig
thorn trout
LGR's Duke voice is uncanny sometimes
prisma halo
All of the Duke imitators sound really off sometimes
wicked blaze
at least LGR would treat the job with more respect lol
prisma halo
^
crimson folio
I think we can all agree Bulletstorm Full Clip has a terrible box art http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/138067b1.jpg
Like good god
prisma halo
literally almost nothing
crimson folio
Duke Nukem and that's it!
prisma halo
jesus fucking christ, when Duke says "we're right back where we started" in that trailer, he sounds like a pirate
thorn trout
unpopular opinion: Bulletstorm is a good game that could have been (and isn't) amazing.
prisma halo
I never played Bulletstorm, I have no opinion
wicked blaze
that's a pretty popular opinion i thought haha
crimson folio
I like how Randy Pitchford basically told everyone that owned the original Bulletstorm on Steam to fuck off, you have to buy it at full priced even if you own the original which uses GFWL
prisma halo
Gearbox™
knotty python
Same shit with Duke World Tour
crimson folio
Even with a 15 percent discount it's still $40
wicked blaze
i have barely played world tour
prisma halo
As someone who played all of World Tour
it's not worth the price point
like
at all
crimson folio
Inb4 Gearbox delists Bulletstorm from Steam and you have to buy the full clip edition
wicked blaze
plz
prisma halo
they can't
wicked blaze
as someone who isn't a fan of gearbox
prisma halo
GBX is only publishing Full Clip
wicked blaze
the reason megaton is gone does make sense
crimson folio
Ok good
wicked blaze
i'm pretty sick of duke 3D
crimson folio
What People Could Fly should do is remove GFWL from the original version
prisma halo
I'm still mad that we never got PC ports of all the spinoff games because Gearbox got the IP and told Interceptor to go fuck themselves
wicked blaze
oh, you mean like Zero Hour and stuff?
wicked blaze
i just can't believe interceptor and whatever ever thought they could make a duke game without the IP rights
prisma halo
they had tons of development material too
which was going to be shown off
like, design docs and shit
wicked blaze
that shit was just dumb and they deserved to lose everything haha
prisma halo
They had the rights
wicked blaze
Mass Destruction i mean
prisma halo
to make one game
wicked blaze
one game that wasn't Mass Destruction
prisma halo
Mass Destruction was the game
it was detailed in the legal documents for the IP transfer to Gearbox
wicked blaze
not according to the court lol
crimson folio
Hopes Quake Champions doesn't turn out shit even though it's Multiplayer Only like Quake Live
heady parrot
didn't EA give away Bulletstorn free?
wicked blaze
i mean, the fact that 3DR immediately backed down, considering their usual "never lose" attitude to court cases
crimson folio
It's hard to see ID Software screw up Quake Champions, they did DOOM right so if they make Champions stand out I can see it doing well this year
wicked blaze
in the end
prisma halo
3DR not so much
heady parrot
I own Bulletstorm on Origin and never paid for it
prisma halo
I will be very surprised if Gearbox makes another Duke game
even more surprised if it doesn't suck major donkey dicks
heady parrot
could be from the SimCity incident
wicked blaze
they won't make it themselves
but they'll get one made
which is why they're doing so much duke stuff currently
prisma halo
Yeah, I remember the whole "we're looking for a company to do a duke game" thing
who fucking knows what happened with that now
wicked blaze
inb4 people can fly
prisma halo
at this point I've really just lost hope for Duke
wicked blaze
actually lmao it probably IS people can fly
heady parrot
well we've at least got Wolfenstein and Doom
crimson folio
I just remembered something that Gearbox did that was good in the last 10 years other than Borderlands.... They remastered Homeworld 1 and 2
prisma halo
I wouldn't be surprised
I don't think Pitchford was directly involved in the Homeworld stuff either
wicked blaze
i hope they don't give it to Flying Wild Hog
prisma halo
Pitchford is shoehorning himself into everything Duke related
crimson folio
Now if anything that's how they should do remakes/remasters, do it like Homeworld (Even though it probably won't happen)
prisma halo
why? Because he worked on Atomic Edition
he feels like he partly owns Duke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
prisma halo
which is the worst part
because he doesn't understand Duke in the slightest
even less so than JSJ
wicked blaze
his levels are pretty crap
wicked blaze
well it's part of understanding what makes a good duke game / gameplay / etc
prisma halo
You can understand what makes a good level and still be unable to make a good one yourself
I'd say I'm a decent example of that
wicked blaze
hmm, yeah fair enough
i just want the current id team to revive all my favourite old shooters
prisma halo
but like
you just need to look at the DNF trailers
to see how little they get Duke
compare ANY DNF trailer by 3DR to the ones by Gearbox
wicked blaze
eh, the trailers are just the same as all gearbox trailers
prisma halo
the Gearbox ones are filled with shitty dance music
oversexualization
unfunny jokes
they made an entire fucking trailer about the ability to throw poop
prisma halo
I mean Duke isn't meant to be super serious
but look at the DNF '01 trailer
then look at any GBX trailer
wicked blaze
i dunno, the big thing Randy was going on about pre release
prisma halo
you can't tell me those are the same thing
wicked blaze
but that's everone involved with DNF in the end I think
prisma halo
as much as Broussard fucked up DNF with his shitty management
the guy understands Duke
wicked blaze
i think Broussard was the only one to understand it
and as soon as 3DR was gone, everyone involved was lost.
prisma halo
the moment DNF switched to Gearbox I was pretty skeptical
wicked blaze
I think even the team working in between were lost though
prisma halo
all of the excitement I had inside me built up from years of waiting
was just
fizzled out
watching the DNF trailers released by Gearbox, I just wasn't excited
wicked blaze
i really can't blame gearbox for much on DNF
prisma halo
Yes you can
they could have actually fixed it up
instead of just patching together what was there
but nope, they decided to make it worse
wicked blaze
I mean, they just helped Triptych release their game
prisma halo
They owned the rights at that point
wicked blaze
all that patching together, etc was done when 3DR closed down
prisma halo
they could've done whatever they wanted
wicked blaze
they just helped that little team get their work finally out there
prisma halo
they had the responsibility to make a good game
and what did they do?
make a new Duke model? wow I'm so impressed
wicked blaze
yeah that's the thing, they were very hands off
prisma halo
You'd think they'd actually put effort into something they knew people were very excited for
you'd think they'd look at all the marketing and media releases to understand what people wanted from the game
you'd think they'd actually fucking give a shit
but no
wicked blaze
I respect that they let the 3DR people actually finish their game, I guess
prisma halo
I don't
wicked blaze
they also likely had to get it done by a certain time thanks to take2
wicked blaze
they became responsible for dumb T2 stuff in the handover, probably
prisma halo
you can let 3DR (or Triptych, the shadow of what 3DR was) develop it
but that's no excuse for not keeping them in check
the entire thing was handled very sloppily
yet DNF was still a commercial success so they never got repercussions
wicked blaze
dnf in a nutshell
prisma halo
so go figure ¯_(ツ)_/¯
everyone already hated Gearbox so DNF's critical reception didn't do much
wicked blaze
i feel like dnf started the hate
prisma halo
it gave it a little push but not much more
wicked blaze
because it was before aliens + BL2
prisma halo
but yeah, I'm not saying it's Gearbox's fault that DNF sucked
I'm saying it's their fault that it continued to suck until release
wicked blaze
heh
true
then again
the fact the weapon limit was only increased to 4 on PC
what the hell kinda spaghetti codebase were they working with
prisma halo
The fact that there was a weapon limit at all confuses me
Oh don't even get me started on the codebase
I've reverse engineered DNF briefly
modded it very briefly as a result
wicked blaze
it's amusing to think that at some stage, post-gearbox acquisition, they literally couldn't add the weapon wheel back
prisma halo
it's a bit of a mess
it's Unreal Engine 1, with bits of Unreal Engine 2
then a custom renderer and the Meqon physics engine (early Nvidia PhysX basically) on top
wicked blaze
it's a surprise it looks and plays as well as it actually DOES, somehow
prisma halo
Yeah
wicked blaze
such a monumental fuckup on all sides
prisma halo
the game doesn't really have any business running at all
wicked blaze
especially on consoles
prisma halo
it's an age-old blame to pin, but consoles really were a large part of the reason DNF was fucked up
prisma halo
ex-3DR devs have stated it numerous times
the game's maps used to be quite large
but they were split into tiny sections to run on consoles
I always hated the idea of that
if your game needs to be cut up to run on consoles
you fucking finish it as it is on PC
wicked blaze
that wouldn't even matter if they were less linear in general
prisma halo
then you downgrade that for consoles
you don't limit a superior platform just because others are inferior
wicked blaze
i think they just shouldnt have EVER bothered with consoles
maybe done it a few years down if they REALLY wanted
prisma halo
Yeah
wicked blaze
like Crytek did with Crysis 1 some how hahaha
prisma halo
I remember when after DNF released, people wanted Gearbox to release the alpha/beta builds and stuff
because they indeed have them
and I once emailed them about it
their response?
no they wouldn't run on modern pcs lol
wicked blaze
yeah that's probably TRUE but
fans would find a way
just hire some fans to do it, god
prisma halo
that's the thing, they think they need to provide support for them or something
just fucking release them, they're early builds
you aren't expected to support them
also, the whole argument is bogus
the game used UE1 and at early points, Quake 2
both can be made to run perfectly fine on modern systems
unless they royally fucked something up somewhere
wicked blaze
yeahhhhh
prisma halo
there's no reason DNF couldn't have a similar treatment
wicked blaze
I want that like, 2006 build or something
wicked blaze
i mean there's no reason we couldn't get all of them
wicked blaze
isn't 2003 the same?
prisma halo
no
2003 is an earlier version of 2006
2002 is the last iteration of the 2000/2001 build
wicked blaze
i was under the impression that it was constant iteration from like 2000 onwards
prisma halo
wicked blaze
oh yeah ive seen this
prisma halo
2003 kinda reminds me of F.E.A.R, visually
wicked blaze
seems like a continuation of the 2000 kinda stuff though, like, I guess I don't think the game was actually restarted again on unreal, so it makes sense
prisma halo
2003 is similar to 2002
but it had already begun the slow transfer to the really shitty version of the game that was released
dumbing down the story, etc
still vastly better than what we got
but cracks starting to show
2006 is probably the last "safe" version of the game
before it really hit the shitter
wicked blaze
2006 still looks good, I can't really tell where it would start to get bad
i mean, its clearly unfinished but a bunch of cool stuff
prisma halo
for the most part, 2003/2006 would still be a good game
2007 onwards is when it really started to get bad
wicked blaze
like what would make 2007 even bad
prisma halo
2007 is quite close to the final game, iirc
just in the earliest stages of consolization
I'm still mad that they redid the weapon designs
the ripper in 2006 looks PERFECT
the ripper in 2007 onwards looks overdesigned and shitty
wicked blaze
its just so amazing looking at the Doom2016 development
wicked blaze
hard to tell from that pic haha
but i do like the chunkier design
it's more unique
prisma halo
Yeah it's pretty dark, brightening it makes it a little clearer
wicked blaze
hopefully whoeever makes the next game can look at Duke 3D, and Doom 2016 and realise what needs to be done
basically just take Doom 2016, put it in a real world situation, give it the Duke IP story elements and weapons and stuff
prisma halo
the firing sound is also so much more satisfying in that 2006 video
in the final game it sounds like a pea shooter
the only satisfying weapon in the final game is the shotgun (and the pistol I guess)
wicked blaze
the pea shooter effects really piss me off
prisma halo
I mean
even the fucking MUZZLEFLASH is better in 2006
the final game's muzzleflash is practically nonexistent
wicked blaze
dont even get started on missing effects
and shittier effects
blood decals
BLOOD DECALS
wicked blaze
that was everyone's fault, fuck that
prisma halo
but they don't look very good
prisma halo
they look like actual blood and not strawberry jam
prisma halo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGyyfHSD4_8 @thorn trout I think the old pistol sound is actually more satisfying than the current one
deft salmon
back to school yes
deft salmon
bong
crimson folio
Already? :/ RIP
deft salmon
yep
fluid mason
Hmm the sshotgun sounds way to weak
Also the huntingrifle sounds like a plastic weapon. I dont dig the new design of the mp
But nice to see some new clips 😃
jade root
Ban Helium
sudden raft
yes
slate edge
I need to know what Dusk midi sounds like
Everything needs a midi version
oh dear
its bad
now we need a daveipede midi
graceful wing
lol when the OST is out someone needs to take the whole thing and convert it to midi
thorn trout
@prisma halo I don't actually remember if much has changed. Youtube compression makes them sound a little different than they do in-game.
prisma halo
I recall finding the early sounds in the files
the youtube videos sound quite similar to 'em
graceful wing
youtube conversion isn't too bad when it comes to audio, it's the video quality that takes the hit
prisma halo
but yeah, the older pistol sound is definitely meatier
pretty much all of the other sounds are superior in their current form though
ruby pewter
I suggest giving the pistols a secondary sound
that sound of the slide moving
since it's animated with moving slides
slate edge
Well....actually.....i agree with zombie now that i think of it
ruby pewter
the Supershotgun has a reloading sound after all
ruby pewter
If I had a studio mic I could record various pistol slides
sudden raft
and i love u
crimson folio
😃
sudden raft
bust my rear pixel 😃
crimson folio
LOL
sudden raft
#nohomo
ruby pewter
when I watched dangan ronpa I felt a bit awkward
because this has been my avatar for ages
well, the mask
the orange and blue is something I added recently
I even have a mask like that IRL
from 6th grade, shaped like my face
crimson folio
You got the coolest shit
young vine
is it intended, that the creeps and the overall look of this game is a metaphor to the KKK clans and right-winged militias in the USA?
ruby pewter
seems like a mashup of many cults from different games
and perhaps IRL stuff too
but then again, I'm not david
young vine
yes i see the similarity to quake and lovecraft
funfact: occultism plays a big part in esoteric nazism
fluid mason
Me banning? No 😃
sudden raft
yesyes
ruby pewter
it's not esoteric nazism, it's called Indiana jones nazis
young vine
u mean return to castle wolfenstein nazis
ruby pewter
is'nt indiana jones older?
young vine
who cares, they share the same origin
young vine
^^
peak igloo
petition to rename dusk to musk
sudden raft
petition to kick unfunny guy
peak igloo
petition to finally be dead
peak igloo
hell yea
eager verge
slate edge
hmmm
kind cobalt
the sequel will be dusky
and then the final entry into the DUSK trilogy will be Duskier
and then there will be some weirdo cash in prequel called Duskiest
but no one will like it
sinful crag
and then the rebirth called Strafe will come out
slate edge
Will Dusk have Dusk?
slate edge
burp
twilit olive
did someone call for me
thorn trout
very dusky
sudden raft
nice dusky
crimson folio
Depends, I would like a more realistic one but a cute one seems tempting too
reef kestrel
cute
glossy gulch
cute
quiet rose
lookin good
crimson folio
Cute
rose snow
AAAAAAA
jade root
Shit
crimson folio
I like it
sinful crag
realistic one
crystal vessel
Tough choice for me
thick stone
Is this going to be an in-game trophy? Or some sort of action figure? 😮
onyx crane
needs more beard
rose snow
IS THIS THE CE THING
dusk mango
IT'S SO CUTE
silk dew
I'd want the realistic boy
crimson folio
twilit olive
Cute
foggy plaza
the real ones look better
ripe badger
Neat.
sinful crag
having a cute one invites problems when i buy it
heady parrot
arent you a little old for starting lineups
crystal vessel
I'd say real
bright patio
mario
foggy plaza
and beside that fuck toys
rose snow
GIVE IT TO ME
narrow mica
tbh i'd want the more realistic one
analog sable
cute one, although honestly i don't care
sinful crag
"Why do you have a cute KKK member with a chainsaw on your desk"
narrow mica
more poseable idk
crystal vessel
Oh good lord tagging everyone was a mistake
gleaming berry
also heres a key fuk u 78ACG-CK5G4-WZY3B
jade root
Lol
crimson folio
oh snap
jade root
GG
steep helm
Nooooooo
foggy plaza
lol
rose snow
yeah more possibility would be nice
onyx crane
GOTTEEM
steep helm
I'm at work, RIP key
crimson folio
And gone in like 5 seconds, lol
tribal atlas
Hahahaha
jade root
"I missed Le key xd"
graceful wing
@crystal vessel you can suppress everyone and here from your notification settings
crystal vessel
I'm not bothered by the notification pinging me
I'm talking about the flood of people
jade root
I'm bothered by you pinging me
graceful wing
ah alright
crystal vessel
@jade root luv u
jade root
writhes in rage
crystal vessel
Love me back bb
graceful wing
@jade root huniepop
jade root
No
crimson folio
I have the steam activation tab option so next time I'll be ready
crystal vessel
But why? :(
marsh river
I like it
jade root
Cause I'm into 1d girls
graceful wing
anyways since this isn't really dusk related anymore let's move over to #bnnuy-and-the-jits
outer lynx
BTW I took you guys ideas for Steam Winter Sale purchases.
crimson folio
Well unless they drop more keys and in that case hazzah
dusk mango
yes plz