#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk | New Blood | Page 10

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 10:55 PM

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AND STOP LOADING IWADS AS WADS GODDANGIT

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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ITS THE SAME THING

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I CALL THE WADS. BITE ME

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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No idea i never used Doombuilder

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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THEM*

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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Imma try to help tho

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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thanks

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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Lemme just help Jabronii with a thing

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THen i will assist ya

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 10:56 PM

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ahh

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jabronnis dead

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MY TURN

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mat plos XD

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 10:58 PM

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Hold on jeebus :v

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 10:58 PM

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i am holding on and im fallin

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jk

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love yiu

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i cant type quickly

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jsut nit mu thong

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 10:59 PM

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Weak

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Now its your turn

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Lemme get GZDoom builder

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 10:59 PM

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oh oh

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LINKS ON IT

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http://devbuilds.drdteam.org/doombuilder2-gzdb/

Rachael Alexanderson, soulpriestess@drdteam.org

SVN Builds

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here you go

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get the lates

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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Already got it mang

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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t

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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dude

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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damn

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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Im obligated to get the latest

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Cuz im a D4D betatester

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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wat

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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I always get the latest everything DOOM releated

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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ahhhh shiiii bruh

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:00 PM

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A guy like me

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Got a long run on modding communities

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:01 PM

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has 0 friends

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:01 PM

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You can look up my name on the interwebs

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:01 PM

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jk

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:01 PM

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You'll see i did some cool shizzle

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:01 PM

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mmm

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i sort of found you???

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yeh

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ok thats a win for you

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hows it going trynna help me

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:02 PM

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Ok

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So, go to TOOLS

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First of all

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:02 PM

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ok

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im in

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whats next

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:05 PM

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For what game

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Is your map made?

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:05 PM

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doom 2

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i want more of them textures/sprites

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mk

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were gettin there

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:johncena:

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i knew it wouldnt work

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:kappa:

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mk

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mat hyper hacking mode engage

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im gonna get me somethin to drink

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and il be back

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:10 PM

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Ok

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Oh wait

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You want more textures

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:10 PM

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yeh

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:10 PM

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That are from other games?

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:10 PM

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from

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heretic and shit

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:10 PM

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Well, what news do you want me to tell you first?

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:10 PM

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both

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at the same time

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:11 PM

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Well, the good news is

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It isn't impossible

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The bad news is: You will need to re-do the textures to fit DOOM's palette

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AKA recolor it

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You can't load multiple palettes in DOOM game

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Unless you export those textures as PNGs to use

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And pack them in a PK3

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Using them without that is a no-no

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:12 PM

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.....i could do that right

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now

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but i could also go to bed

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hmmmm

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lets just keep this as a reminder

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thanks for the help yo

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❤

teal niche Nov 7, 2016, 11:13 PM

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No prob

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Remember:Load the IWAD you want the textures from in a WAD editor (Like SLADE)

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Extract the textures you want as PNG

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And use those in Doombuilder

strong tartan Nov 7, 2016, 11:14 PM

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will do

sinful crag Nov 7, 2016, 11:29 PM

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I GOT SOUNDS TO WORK

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EVERYTHING IN GUNCASTER IS FUCKING LOUD

quiet rose Nov 8, 2016, 1:50 AM

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@graceful wing http://i.imgur.com/C9xTr8z.jpg

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 1:52 AM

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the fuck is osu?

heady parrot Nov 8, 2016, 1:52 AM

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anime rock band

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 1:56 AM

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sign me up

quiet rose Nov 8, 2016, 2:00 AM

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succ https://youtu.be/AylSEBh8dj4?t=330

YouTube

Vargskelethor: Vinesauce Joel

[Vinesauce] Joel - Destroying Rollercoaster Tycoon: Multiplayer ...

▶ Play video

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:11 AM

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good ol joel

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 2:14 AM

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@quiet rose you couldn't be more right

quiet rose Nov 8, 2016, 2:14 AM

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👌🏻

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 2:14 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2Q-AKtZHQ unfortunately it's too late for me

YouTube

HappyStick

osu! Addiction

▶ Play video

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:18 AM

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fukkin serious

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they treating osu as a gateway into anime?

sinful crag Nov 8, 2016, 2:20 AM

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gateway to bad anime

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 2:20 AM

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mhm, you really need to dig deep to find all the good songs

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they're there but they're buried under tons and tons of weeb shit

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:23 AM

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I'll just stick to Demolition D+

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you cant go wrong with his preferences

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 2:23 AM

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although the man's stilling missing

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no idea what happened to him

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:23 AM

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He's around

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he was moving into a new house

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infact he streamed last week

gleaming berry Nov 8, 2016, 4:40 AM

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GUESS WHO'S BACK

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BACK AGAIN

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DAVE IS BACK

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TELL A FRIEND

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GFAXZ-RGXXQ-6ZPTJ

sinful crag Nov 8, 2016, 4:42 AM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I DONT HAVE TO RACE ANYONE IF NOBODY'S HERE

gleaming berry Nov 8, 2016, 4:42 AM

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U DID IT

sinful crag Nov 8, 2016, 4:44 AM

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https://gyazo.com/e1886cc616b853ae812ddf5589e4bd72

Gyazo

gleaming berry Nov 8, 2016, 4:44 AM

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GGWP

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have fun

winter sierra Nov 8, 2016, 4:45 AM

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How was your trip to pax?

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 4:46 AM

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OH SHIT DAVE'S BACK

winter sierra Nov 8, 2016, 4:46 AM

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Dave!

gleaming berry Nov 8, 2016, 4:46 AM

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Im still in NZ

winter sierra Nov 8, 2016, 4:47 AM

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But your still back in discord

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So that's something

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 4:51 AM

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ey @gleaming berry now that you're here add :lorelei: as an emoticon

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some people were asking for it earlier :p

gleaming berry Nov 8, 2016, 4:51 AM

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well im only here for a few minutes

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im still in New Zealand

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maybe when I have more time

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I dunno how to do that

winter sierra Nov 8, 2016, 4:52 AM

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Are you taking shots that you got in pax?

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 4:52 AM

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i could take care of it if you want to temporarily give me the manage server perm

gleaming berry Nov 8, 2016, 4:57 AM

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OMG

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WHAT COULD IT BE

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BYHHY-YZX85-JPCD6

true cypress Nov 8, 2016, 4:57 AM

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guess i have dusk now, sick

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 4:57 AM

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👍

fleet jackal Nov 8, 2016, 5:01 AM

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damn i missed

winter sierra Nov 8, 2016, 5:02 AM

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Shit I missed it

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How many memes I need to sacrifice in order to get dusk?

silk wedge Nov 8, 2016, 5:03 AM

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I don't think I was even here when it was posted. lol

main sorrel Nov 8, 2016, 5:03 AM

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@gleaming berry Hook me up with one of those DUSK codes, I hid your stash for you man

winter sierra Nov 8, 2016, 5:04 AM

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Can I have one?

crimson folio Nov 8, 2016, 5:14 AM

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damn dude missed it

cobalt briar Nov 8, 2016, 6:11 AM

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1 person in the steam chat

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its me

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:(

sinful crag Nov 8, 2016, 6:54 AM

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secrets 1/6

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the quest begins

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:27 PM

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How's everyone doing?

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Well then... I'll just leave.....lel

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:32 PM

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OK

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FEEDBACK TIME

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:33 PM

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Feedback on what...

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:34 PM

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I like the idea of every small thing beign useable, its really cool.
During my gameplay, i got Intoxicated, i expected it to wear down after i used a sink (would make sense, water fixes everything in most games), the fact i have to keep turning it off and on to regen health could be changed perhaps to something on demand (heals per sec. but has limited water).
I like the idea on every little object being usable or interactable somehow, adds detail to the game and motivates the player to explore the maps.

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I have some other minor ideas (like gas trails when using the tanks and stuff), but i don't think those are the priority right now

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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What are you talking about???

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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DUSK

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The Steam demo

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Oh

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Yeh

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Just played it, amazing

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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That

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Noice

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Fluid movement, enemies are challenging

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Yeh

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Maps are nice and open (could be a little bit more vertical like Quake, adds challenge)

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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It's pretty good

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:35 PM

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Weapons are pretty strong

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:36 PM

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Yeh

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But that souldnt be an issue

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Stronger weapons = more enemies

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Problem solved

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If it ever were a problem

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:37 PM

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Its not

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The things i mentioned after are the things i liked about it

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 2:39 PM

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Awesome thanks very much for the feedback 😃

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:43 PM

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Currently writing a review on Portuguese-Brazil on my facebook

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Im happy, the future for it is bright, it has potential

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You guys are on the right path

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:51 PM

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Add ironsights

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:51 PM

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I didn't even needed to use the zoom tbh

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:51 PM

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add...uh...BOOBS..yeh there we go

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:51 PM

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And better grefucd

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Shit

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Grefics

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:52 PM

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DUSK HD texture pack when?

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Actually, no, pls dont

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90% of the Quake HD texture packs suck

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:52 PM

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DUSK pushed back for nintendo switch when

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:52 PM

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...i think i overwhelmed myself with my map......its so fkn big

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:53 PM

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With the textures aswell

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:53 PM

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wat?

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:53 PM

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Mat how'd you get a key?

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:53 PM

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yeh

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i made a sketch on paper how my map is gonna look like and......holy fuck

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 2:54 PM

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The plan is to have kinda sorta "HD" support at launch, or rather the ability to turn on bump mapping and details.

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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That's the part that worries me

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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fuck hd

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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90% the bumpmaps look bad

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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MOAR PUXELS

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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Also, im still thinking about dem palettes

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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Make dusk rated AO

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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I think i may generate them from a screenshot took at a neutral place

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Just to see if i still manage to keep the DUSK colors while making a limited palette

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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The bumpmaps are just an optional feature for fun, don't worry. They aren't the intended look.

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:55 PM

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Incase i fail, you guys still have the color reduction so, it will still look cool

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Oh, thank god

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I avoid HD quake stuff because of that

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 2:56 PM

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What you're seeing in the demo is pretty much the intended look

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:56 PM

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Closest thing i had to HD quake was Quake 1.5

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 2:56 PM

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yeah I'm not a huge fan of HD Quake stuff either, although I have a lot of respect for Epsilon

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:57 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60wQD1u4VZg check this out

YouTube

jackoneill45

Quake 1.5 Trailer

▶ Play video

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I know its modeller

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Lots of cool work

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And compatible even with Winquake

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(I tried on my win98 machine)

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:57 PM

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Oh yeah I used that

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The bullet flashes still come from the center of the screen though

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:58 PM

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It needs quake-c changes

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:58 PM

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And it fucked up the decals

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 2:58 PM

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He's doing a new version

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But i think he kinda stopped working on it

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As long as you have PROGS.DAT uncompiled (AKA the game's sourcecode)

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That's an easy fix, you just gotta change the entity creation position

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 2:59 PM

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I remember reading how to change it, I just couldn't be bothered to do it

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:00 PM

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Well then don't complain :v

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jk

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 3:00 PM

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Oh I wasn't complaining. I was just pointing it out. I like the weapon models and whatnot

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Does anyone even use 3D Touch on iPhone?

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:01 PM

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no

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 3:02 PM

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I just accidentally used it and forgot it was a feature

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:02 PM

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2016
uses iPhone

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eew

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 3:02 PM

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I know man

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But I got too much invested in the app store

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:02 PM

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fukkin hell

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why

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 3:03 PM

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Cause when I got an iPhone in 2012 I didn't realize that better phones would be available in four years

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:03 PM

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Dude

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wtf

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My Nexus 4 is from 2012

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And its still up-to-date

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 3:04 PM

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I wasn't exactly tech savvy in 2012 either

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:04 PM

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Im running the latest Android 7.1 (unofficial, but stable) with 90% of Pixel's features

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:04 PM

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mmm

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my body is ready for nougat

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 3:05 PM

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It gets the job done

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That's all what concerns me

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:05 PM

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Mine does everything, i played PS1, Portal, Half-Life 2, DOOM, Quake, Wolf

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And lots of useless shit

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Like running windows 95

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:05 PM

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same

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wait

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wat

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are we talking about phones?

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:05 PM

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Yeah

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I used to do that on my Galaxy Y

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:06 PM

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oh yeh

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:06 PM

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What a shitty device

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BUT

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:06 PM

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its fun

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:06 PM

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I could do stupid stuff with it

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So it was fun

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:06 PM

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i installed monkey island on my phone

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just this morning

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and it playes

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doom

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and quake

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soooo im good

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:07 PM

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Im using SixaxisApp to get me covered

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So i can use my DS4

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Even my DS4 is retro, its one of those PS1 editions

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:07 PM

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noice

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:07 PM

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(I don't have the full console, only the controller)

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:07 PM

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📎 f87ee570-4e28-4fea-95c5-9e10f7f51d50-222971981.jpg

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mistakes were made

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:07 PM

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((and its the easily available one, not the one with the touchpad)

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Is that a mix between E1M1 and other stuff?

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:08 PM

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yeh

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allot of stuff

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:08 PM

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I see references to E1M1, entryway

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Slough of Despair

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:09 PM

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i put a little quake,, doom,doom 2, gonna have a wolfenstein part too

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and some more i cant remember

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:10 PM

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I can see

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Well, its not impossible

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But its kinda hard for a first-time mapper

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:10 PM

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XD i know

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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Don't worry, my first-time project was a port of all Half-Life 2 Beta Weapons for GMod

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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im not first time im more off...on and off know what im doing

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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I succeeded on it

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BUT

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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damn

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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My HDD crashed

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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XD

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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So i lost everything

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AND

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had no backups

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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shiiiii

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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I also lost 50GB worth of TrackMania skins

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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XD shit

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:11 PM

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That still gets me mad to this day because there are skins that you can't find on the web anymore

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:12 PM

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rip

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ok it seems slade3

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has options to add textures

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:17 PM

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It will still require the palette

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To be correctly formatted

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:18 PM

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yeh

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but i dont really know how palletes work

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i know its like

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...

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wait

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explain it to me

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i dont know how it works

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....

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:19 PM

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Basically, a palette has 256-colors

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Those colors are used all around the game (for textures, menus, etc)

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:19 PM

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mhm

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:19 PM

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It was done this way due to hardware limitations of the time

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So each sprite was painted according to that palette

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If you load an wrong palette, the color order will be wrong (the texture expects the same palettes with the same colors at the same position)

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:20 PM

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mmh

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:21 PM

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Quake 2 also uses that for its gun textures

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So, long short story:

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You change the palette without recoloring the texture

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It gets all messed up

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:21 PM

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mk

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:21 PM

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https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Quake_palette

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https://www.quaddicted.com/engines/software_vs_glquake

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I know its quake but

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Logic is the same

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:22 PM

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yeh

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slade has an inbuilt palatte editor

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soo that could be something

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 3:24 PM

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What for?

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You will fix Heretic Textures, but screw the DOOM ones the same way

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I still think the best option is

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Extract those textures as PNG and use as i said

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Its easier, faster

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ANd still compatible with most modern engines

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 3:28 PM

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mk

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 4:06 PM

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Apparently a palette generated from a DUSK screenshot still doesn't help either

📎 test_2016-11-08_14-06-17.png

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Welp, i tried

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 4:10 PM

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lel

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 4:13 PM

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Oh cool is that the unmaker?

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 4:17 PM

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Rivet Launcher

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But really looks like the unmaker

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ALso uhh, i was playing with low res mode and stuff, i don't think it should revert to this video mode.

📎 unknown.png

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(Not sure if reported before too)

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 4:27 PM

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wait what happened?

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 4:33 PM

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It reverts the vídeo to not pixelized Upon death (atleast on endless)

thorn trout Nov 8, 2016, 4:34 PM

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ahh ok good to know

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 4:34 PM

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Not sure if color limitation gets removed aswell, gonna try after a nap

prisma halo Nov 8, 2016, 4:37 PM

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I experienced that too

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the low res setting reverts upon death, at least in endless mode

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I don't think I've experienced it on the normal demo map, but then again, I haven't really died much there :v

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 4:44 PM

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Zombie i thought you were gonna sleep for a few eons or so

hazy saffron Nov 8, 2016, 4:54 PM

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he might be sleeping now

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📎 unnamed.jpg

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 4:56 PM

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hes like Silvagunner right now

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only rarely showing up to grace us with his high quality mod rips

prisma halo Nov 8, 2016, 5:07 PM

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pretty much

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(I'm studying for my physics exam tomorrow)

crimson folio Nov 8, 2016, 5:14 PM

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Good luck man

quiet rose Nov 8, 2016, 5:20 PM

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I think ill parody this for a dusk speedrun

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvJ8z_K6qe8

YouTube

Kocayine

Clearing out the Sphinx

▶ Play video

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dunno how ill do it with no third person but ILL FIGURE IT OUT

prisma halo Nov 8, 2016, 5:22 PM

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couldn't even mod third person in since duskguy has no model either

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 5:25 PM

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invisible third person blindfolded cigar soap only upside-down perfect stealth 100% non-lethal run

stuck ermine Nov 8, 2016, 6:08 PM

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I always come to late for keys D;:

quiet rose Nov 8, 2016, 6:21 PM

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Dont worry about getting a key.

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 6:43 PM

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@teal niche help

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or anyone with gzdoom builder expirience

raven lichen Nov 8, 2016, 6:48 PM

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Good luck to all Ameribros here

quiet rose Nov 8, 2016, 6:55 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS-yUg8ghyc

YouTube

C-Czar117

The Simpsons Predicted It: Ralph Wiggum Was The Original Donald ...

▶ Play video

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 6:57 PM

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im very mad

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right now

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im fucking furious

hazy saffron Nov 8, 2016, 6:57 PM

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vote Lorelie

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📎 Lorelei_poster1.png

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:12 PM

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im brainstorming like a motherfucker right now.....HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO ADD TEXTURES INTO DOOM 2 FROM HERETIC!!! LIKE COME ON SHOULD BE EASY.....

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:26 PM

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SLADE > open heretic > find the texture > right click > Graphic > Export as PNG

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:28 PM

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but i also need like flat and floors and all the shit

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.....

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does it just happen instantly}

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:28 PM

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pretty sure you can select multiples for export

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:28 PM

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mk

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wait

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oh yeh and also im fkt

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cause you cant save a modded iwad.....

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but i have my map in an empty pwad

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so im straight fukt

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:30 PM

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you can put the textures you need into the wad without doing anything to the IWAD :p

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:30 PM

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well i am modding the maps...

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does that count

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:31 PM

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er, perhaps i don't quite understand what it is you're doing

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:32 PM

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me neither

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ok but imma try my best to explain

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:32 PM

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alrighty then :p

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:32 PM

#

so

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im making a map

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but i wanna use a clean wad

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and i wanna play doom 2 with that wad

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and it seems doombuilder doesnt like that or some shit

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and im trying to add heretic textures....for shit

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and stuff

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but everythings going downhill so fast

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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eh i'm not real experienced with doombuilder, but you should be able to put the textures from heretic that you need into the wad that has your map on it

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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yeh i should

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:34 PM

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without editing the doom 2 iwad and whatnot

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:35 PM

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well palletes are a fucking problem

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and i need to convert heretic shit

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WAIT

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HOLY FUCK

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no

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:35 PM

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that's why i suggested exporting as PNG

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:35 PM

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but i also need to organise shit

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:35 PM

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cos if you just export the lump itself it'll try using doom 2's pallete and make it look like garbage

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:35 PM

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like this is floor

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and wall

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and its just fucking tedious

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and im tired

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shits just bad

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ok

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can doombuilder just eat the pngs???

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is that possible

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just giving doom builder it straight up as a png

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cause that would be SOOOO MUCH EASIER

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:37 PM

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if you're building it for a port that supports PNGs then yeah, it should

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:38 PM

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hmmm

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ok

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how

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:38 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:38 PM

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well fck

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:39 PM

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i think i've spent a total of 20 minutes in doombuilder

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:39 PM

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mm

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FOUND IT AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

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i dropped my doritos on the floor...;-; this day coulndt get worse

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ok i was lied to

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....

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there aint no fkn tree texture in heretic

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....not unless

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ITS IN HERETIC TO

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2*

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 7:53 PM

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gzdoombuilder is best builder

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:53 PM

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wb

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im using it

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 7:54 PM

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gg

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its sweet as fuk

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:54 PM

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lol

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so salmon

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any runs lately (lenny

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM

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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM

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thanks

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM

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no-maam

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM

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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:55 PM

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well then

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfnE3UvYZxI

YouTube

Frode Becker

Vibrations in a steel ruler

▶ Play video

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my top ten favorite vid

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 7:59 PM

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was gonna say there might be one in hexen but i'm not seeing any

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rip

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 7:59 PM

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shit

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well there are trees in hexen

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just not the type i want

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i want the like invis walls in fkn dusk man

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want those kinda trees

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got any of those

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:01 PM

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idk

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i'm sure something like that is floating around on the internet tho

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 8:03 PM

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....yeh

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in dusk

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hehehhehehehehehhehehehhehehe

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 8:03 PM

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when the fuck is level 2

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 8:03 PM

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never

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 8:03 PM

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WAITING FOR THIS SHIT

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I THOUGHT WE WAS TESTERS N SHIT

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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i'll test your face

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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try me

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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nope

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

#

uh

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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all of you have failed

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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🐳

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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fuck off m8s

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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im eager to try SUPER DUSK SUPER DUSK

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:04 PM

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you arent even the Lord Sinder on discord Feeshman

stuck ermine Nov 8, 2016, 8:05 PM

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:/

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:05 PM

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I'm still waiting for DuskeMon

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:06 PM

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naw man

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it's all about dusk go

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:06 PM

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Go to a barnhouse in real life and slaughter all the KKK memebers for extra points

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 8:07 PM

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i want doom go

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RIP AND TEAR!!! whilst walking across this pretty little squirrel

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 8:07 PM

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i dont wanna go to workk aaaaa

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:07 PM

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ha ha

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Lord of Sinder has to kill some dirty casuals

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:08 PM

#

📎 AAAAAAAA.gif

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:08 PM

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how many fish per hour is your wage?

wanton magnet Nov 8, 2016, 8:08 PM

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i wish i got paid in salmon

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:09 PM

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i want some salmon too

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but not for the reasons youre thinking of

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(ಠ ͜ ಠ)

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so whos ready for the finale of america tonight?

graceful wing Nov 8, 2016, 8:13 PM

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oh it's today?

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

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ye

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

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Well, more like the final season

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

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i unfortunately have no booze

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

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season premiere

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

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i do however have weed

jade root Nov 8, 2016, 8:14 PM

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finale will be on inaugeration day

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anything afterwards will be post-show specials

feral solar Nov 8, 2016, 10:02 PM

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how much will the DUSK season pass cost

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😉

fair mirage Nov 8, 2016, 10:03 PM

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$4.20

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 10:15 PM

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DUSK only has one map and i already played 30 minutes of it

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wtf

heady parrot Nov 8, 2016, 10:16 PM

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will I get double xp for drinking vanilla coke?

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 10:24 PM

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Nope

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 10:44 PM

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bruh mat ive played that one level for 34 hours. this is what a failing life form looks like

knotty root Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM

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It's a good map, to be fair.

silk wedge Nov 8, 2016, 11:07 PM

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Still sad when it comes out it won't run on my 586

strong tartan Nov 8, 2016, 11:16 PM

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its a very fucking good map

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anyways imma be off cya boyos

teal niche Nov 8, 2016, 11:37 PM

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Terminus here?

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How many guys from the frikken DOOM community will i see here?

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:02 AM

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I am here

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Finally

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:16 AM

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Has anyone posted about Dusk on any of the Doom forums btw?

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:20 AM

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https://www.doomworld.com/vb/everything-else/90769-dusk-hexen-quake-doom/

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quick google search brought up a few resualts

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:21 AM

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I was just curious if Doom guys found it via Doom community stuff or other outlets.

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:22 AM

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theres some "harsh" words but a lot of it seems like sarcasm

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:22 AM

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Im pretty sure good part of 4chan's VR knows about it

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Retro part of Facepunch does

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:23 AM

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I found out about DUSK via Gamerant, by the by

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:23 AM

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Don't expect much

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If they get something fast like this they find it too hard

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AND SAY "Its not competitive, so it sucks" as an excuse

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Other part of my Brazilian friends are happy that i got a opportunity to test it

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:24 AM

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wow, not many fans in that thread 😛

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:24 AM

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And will probably buy it on Day 1

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:24 AM

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Like I have a few "friends" that wont even play games for fun anymore

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:24 AM

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They are really confident that it will be one of the best shooters of 2017

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:27 AM

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I'm almost certain I was the only serious gamer at my highschool, and I haven't been around this college enough to know the gaming scene, so I dunno about DUSKs popularity here

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let alone quake or doom

cobalt briar Nov 9, 2016, 12:27 AM

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i like csgo :(

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:27 AM

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theres a difference liking it and sucking its cock

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:28 AM

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I love CS:GO tbh

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:28 AM

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I like CSGO but I'm not a competitive asshole like some people i know

main sorrel Nov 9, 2016, 12:29 AM

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@jade root Don't talk about @gleaming berry that way.

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:29 AM

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no

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:29 AM

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There's a difference between LIKING it and defending it like the holy grail

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:29 AM

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Mat gets it

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:29 AM

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I love quake with my heart and soul and hell, even i respect its defects

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:30 AM

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no game is perfect

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 12:30 AM

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(Even if there's only a few, or any at all)

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I personally never found anything wrong on it

#

It runs on a potato

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It aged well

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Has a strong community

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Rather easy to mod

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:30 AM

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except Candice DeBébé's Incredibly Trick Lifestyle

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perfect game

heady parrot Nov 9, 2016, 12:31 AM

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I just can't believe how many people like csgo as cs itself has changed less than call of duty in the last 16 years

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:32 AM

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thats a good argument

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:33 AM

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however there's only been 3 cs games, and like 50 million CoDs 😛

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an CS:GO is... what, $20?

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and the others are less

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whereas each new CoD is $60

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every year

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:33 AM

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theres only been one DUSK game but its still the same

#

explain that

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:36 AM

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lazy dev

fair mirage Nov 9, 2016, 12:36 AM

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zing

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:36 AM

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ugh

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classic david

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 12:41 AM

#

I only know of Dusk because I keep following @gleaming berry on Twitter

main sorrel Nov 9, 2016, 12:45 AM

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@thorn trout Will DUSK ever get its polygons back?

true cypress Nov 9, 2016, 12:45 AM

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doing a flip for the first time was an enlightening experience

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 12:48 AM

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umm, did it ever lose its polygons?

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:49 AM

#

ye

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 12:54 AM

#

Greetings everyone! I have a question: if I have 3 GB RAM, but 4 GB is a recommended value, then - if I get this right - I may have some framerate issues while playing with light bloom and light flares on, but with these features disabled the game should run smooth?

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:55 AM

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u hav bad pc, no dusk for u

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 12:55 AM

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;_____;

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:56 AM

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ask david, he'll know more than anyone

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 12:56 AM

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Good idea

#

But damn... This game looks AMAZING! I can't wait ;_;

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 12:57 AM

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game sucks, cant even quickscope

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:01 AM

#

hi @glass isle ! We're expecting Dusk to be fairly taxing with the high-end features (bump mapping, realtime lighting/shadows, etc) turned on, BUT those are basically just fun additions, not the way the game is intended to be played. With intended settings I'm hoping it will run perfectly well on most PCs after optimization. For reference, I'm still not done optimizing and I get 60+ on a GTX 750ti with an i3 cpu

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So it's not going to be Quake/Doom framerates, but it should be quite playable for most people

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:02 AM

#

there you have it Mat

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 1:02 AM

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Thanks for the info!

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:02 AM

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yup np

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:15 AM

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Games really should be spec'd on needed RAM rather than installed

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:16 AM

#

say wat?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 AM

#

@thorn trout Dusk has been posted on most major Doom forums as well as the Duke3D community

#

Many people react with skepticism (I did too, until I played it)

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 AM

#

zombie to the rescue

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 AM

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Also wew I'm done with exams

#

Sitting in a cafe atm lmao

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:18 AM

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how many eons do you plan to sleep for?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:18 AM

#

Brb

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:19 AM

#

Was that at me @thorn trout

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:20 AM

#

Whenever you get back @prisma halo (and whoever else wants to answer), did you find the level design to be better than it looked in the trailer, or did other aspects just make up for it? That's something I really want to nail, but I don't have the benefit of years of mapping experience like a lot of hardcore Doom modders/mappers

#

@silk wedge yeah

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:22 AM

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Back in the days when I used to repair computers for friends and church the hardware and driver combinations (not including the over 9000 icons in the system tray) would make any game that said it required 256mb of RAM on a xp 2002 system require 768MB

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:23 AM

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ahh, I see

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:24 AM

#

@thorn trout the level design in the demo is much better than the trailer, I was pretty brutal towards the level design when I saw the trailer

#

It was my main complaint actually

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:25 AM

#

It was partially mitigated in the Vista age by accounting for the raw requirements for Vista itself

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:25 AM

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well, rightly so, since that's basically the most important part of 90s shooters

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:25 AM

#

@jade root approximately infinity eons

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:25 AM

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Also, I still pay Quake in MS-DOS

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:25 AM

#

But yeah, the demo's level design is 👌 in comparison

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:26 AM

#

the level design was fairly competent and did a good job of showing off what the game will be like, the only real issue I had was there was no spring board to fully test the flipping mechanic

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:26 AM

#

I could play that demo level for hours (and I uh, have)

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:26 AM

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Is it the flow, or the nonlinearity that works for you?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:26 AM

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Both

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:26 AM

#

figuring out how to do both well is quite difficult I'm finding

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:27 AM

#

I like having multiple paths to take, adds lots of replay value

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But the level is well paced too with keys and stuff

#

Adds up to a really nice level

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:27 AM

#

cool, good to know. Thanks!

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:27 AM

#

np!

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 1:28 AM

#

btw I'm really curious what the second episode ("Half-Life" inspired! :D) is gonna be like ^^

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:29 AM

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lots of STALKER-y Half-life-y industrial stuff

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 1:29 AM

#

yay!

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:29 AM

#

slight move toward more abstract levels

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:29 AM

#

SOMEONE SAY STALKER

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:29 AM

#

I have two favorite games of all time. Doom (1+2) and STALKER (all of them). So I really have 5 favorite games of all time.

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:30 AM

#

if we are on the topic of favorite games VVVVVV is my all time favorite

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:30 AM

#

I very much dislike Doom 2's levels

#

Like, absolute hatred

#

Doom 1's levels are brilliant though

#

Doom 2 was a steep decline in quality level-wise, particularly in the second half

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 1:31 AM

#

And I - on the other hand - find "Doom 2" to be the best "Doom" game of all time.

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:31 AM

#

I could never get into Doom 2

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 1:31 AM

#

and I really liked D2 levels 😄

silk wedge Nov 9, 2016, 1:32 AM

#

I played the crap out of Doom, barely touched 2

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:32 AM

#

I love everything about Doom 2 except the levels

#

They lack the replay value and charm of the first game's levels, especially episode 1

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:32 AM

#

Yeah, I've always kind of felt that way about Doom 2, but I've never been able to put my finger on why.

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:32 AM

#

Episode 1 of Doom 1 is brilliant

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:32 AM

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It's the best episode

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:32 AM

#

Yes

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:33 AM

#

I respect Sandy Peterson's touch, but I just like Romero's style a lot more

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:33 AM

#

I lost count of how many times I've beaten it

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:35 AM

#

prolly cause with Doom 1 they had an ambition to make it the largest computer related thing on the planet while doom 2 was more of giving the fans more of the same game

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:36 AM

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Probably, and less work was put into the levels as a result

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:36 AM

#

exactly

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:36 AM

#

Phew, finally home

#

Now I can go through the pain of figuring out Dusk's asset paths

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So I can load models via script to create enemies on the fly

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:37 AM

#

AH

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THAT

#

What was the debug program name?

#

Also @thorn trout

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:37 AM

#

Debug program?

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:38 AM

#

Yeah

#

How does this look?

📎 20161108233657_1.jpg

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The one you used to get the game's files

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:38 AM

#

Oh, SB3UGS?

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:38 AM

#

Thanks

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:38 AM

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There's also Unity Studio which I use for ripping models

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SB3UGS for textures and audio

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:38 AM

#

Is the latest one 1.0.16?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:39 AM

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1.1.20 iirc

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I'll send a link once my PC boots up

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:40 AM

#

ooh that's interesting

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:41 AM

#

Its a palette i made

#

Also, after studying how the shader work

#

If you test 256 colors palette in 16x16

#

And test the same palette in linear (256x1)

#

Linear returns more colors

#

So i guess i should have sent ya the linear palettes :v

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:42 AM

#

oh weird

#

bug or just limitation do you think?

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:43 AM

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Limitation

#

If its bigger than 16x16, it won't get a few lines

#

If you want, i can send the linear ones for you to look at them yourself

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:46 AM

#

I'll let you know. I think at the moment I'm just going to concentrate on level design, but if I do want to mess with palettes again I'll definitely want them.

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:46 AM

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ok

#

Lemme know when you do then

#

Just buzz me @ discord

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:46 AM

#

for reference btw, here are two other places Dusk has been posted besides Doomworld
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/8908-dusk/
http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=53525
(the second link contains my harsh reaction to the trailer)

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:46 AM

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Or steam (matsilagi2)

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:48 AM

#

@thorn trout so does BasicAIScript control AI for every monster?

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:48 AM

#

yeah

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:49 AM

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thought so

#

also whenever you have time, could I get a screenshot of the prefabs for each enemy?

#

would give me a little boost in setting stuff up

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:50 AM

#

so, you want the see the inspector panel for each prefab right?

#

enemy prefab

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:51 AM

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Yeah

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mainly so I know which components get added to each enemy, basic properties, etc

#

I can grab that stuff by iterating over gameObjects but it's not guaranteed to be the default settings

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 1:56 AM

#

Some enemies might have different components down the line. Like, I was prototyping one that uses rigidbody physics instead of a navmesh.

#

But most of them (i.e, all of the ones in the demo) are basically the same just with different values

#

so would screenshots of one prefab do?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 2:09 AM

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Yeah, that'd be fine

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also for some reason this server isn't giving me notifications anymore, weird, time to check my settings

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 2:10 AM

#

k, I'll have that for you in a bit

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 2:10 AM

#

awesome, thanks

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 2:11 AM

#

@prisma halo the debugging tools download links?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 2:11 AM

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Grabbin' 'em now

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https://www.sendspace.com/file/smbj13

SB3UGS_v1.2.20.7z (5.00MB) - SendSpace.com

Send, Receive, Track & Share Your Big Files with SendSpace file sharing!

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v1.2.20

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Unity Studio: https://github.com/RaduMC/UnityStudio/releases

GitHub

RaduMC/UnityStudio

UnityStudio - Unity Studio is a tool for exploring, extracting and exporting assets from Unity games and apps.

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 2:55 AM

#

how many maymays keys did i miss

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 3:25 AM

#

https://youtu.be/YQ2tgTIIUec

YouTube

Matheus Silagi

DUSK - Pacifist Run

▶ Play video

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 9:03 AM

#

Ahh fuck mAt a pacifist run......wait let me beat it (lenny)

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:00 PM

#

Oh

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Trump won

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:00 PM

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Yep

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I wont be able to visit the US anymore

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:01 PM

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Apparently I fell asleep while my roommates stayed up for the election

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So they are all passed out in he living room

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Also, the president doesn't really hold as much power as people think. With how much he pissed off congress, all his bills will be pigeonholed

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:05 PM

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how you holdin up

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:05 PM

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I'm fine

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:07 PM

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http://file-9gag-lol.9cache.com/file/28ekK318Q8/ezgif-3056121738.gif

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:07 PM

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I'm not worried cause a lot of Trumps supporters don't support him anymore. He's essentially a leader by name.

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:08 PM

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I'm not worried because I'm not even American lmao

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:08 PM

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Oh well

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My campus is gonna riot, so that'll be fun to watch

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 1:09 PM

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oh boy

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:10 PM

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I do, however, love that Putin was one of the first world leaders to congratulate Trump

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That's gold right there

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Oh man, I wonder how many people will skip classes today

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And according to my friend the Canadian immigration website crashed

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Holy shit it's only 8:12am and I'm already laughing at some of this stuff

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:16 PM

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It's 2:16 here, and everybody is panicking

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"OH MY GOD WORLD WAR THREE"

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nobody really undrstands anything

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they've just seen that one video with Robert Downey Jr crying and telling people they have to vote for Hillary

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and now everybody's just using stupid arguments

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 PM

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Do they know how the us government works?

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 PM

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Nah

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they don't understand anything

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 PM

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Trump talks lots of shit

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 PM

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President is just a figurehead

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:17 PM

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we french people just like to have something to be angry about, and Trump is a marvelous occasion

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:18 PM

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But im pretty sure he Will handle the situation a bit better

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tbfh, you guys were out of options Just like us here on Brazil

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Both are bad choices

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:18 PM

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This will just be an unproductive four years

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Then Hugh Mungus and Ken Bone will be the next candidates

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Oh god

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BLM movement

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They are gonna be pissed

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Oh fuck

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Now I'm worried

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 1:20 PM

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Naptime for me

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Ill be back for more PolitikZ latrr

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:20 PM

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BLM is going to fuck shit up hard, brah

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:21 PM

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Good thing Ohio is pretty safe

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Ohio is kinda an oasis in America. No extremists, no feminazis, and we actually have a lot of spending money thanks to our governor (who trump asked to be his Vice President)

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 1:23 PM

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So now I know where to go if planning trip to USA 😄

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:23 PM

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Yeah. Come to Cleveland, we got the rock and roll hall of fame

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And the avengers was filmed here

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There's a lot of beer out in the living room. I think my roommates were taking this a bit too seriously

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Anyway.

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How's everyone else's day?

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:43 PM

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Girlfriend is busting my agates, I'm considering becoming homo

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As a prank

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 1:43 PM

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Do it

raven lichen Nov 9, 2016, 1:44 PM

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If the balls don't touch, and if it lasts no more than 5 minutes, then it's not gay anyway

hazy saffron Nov 9, 2016, 1:56 PM

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should´ve let Lorelei win though

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📎 Lorelei_poster1.png

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 2:09 PM

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📎 IMG_5853.JPG

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Yeah Lorelei should've won

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 2:28 PM

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Wow I didn't trigger anyone with my bad joke

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Go me

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 4:16 PM

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It ain't the end of the world guysd

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unless it is the end of the world

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in which case you get to say "I told you so"

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but we'll all be ded

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so whatever

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 4:16 PM

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thanks dad

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meanwhile Dave is enjoying his shitty views in NZ

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 4:20 PM

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the worst views. All dem beautiful hills.

jade root Nov 9, 2016, 4:21 PM

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green from the toxic sludge

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rolling for miles upon miles

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:40 PM

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@thorn trout var disbecamera excellent variable name choice

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 4:41 PM

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heh thanks 😃

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:42 PM

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on another note I've sort of managed to spawn an enemy at will

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sort of in the sense that he's there, but he lacks some components and things that he needs in order to function

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namely, projectile types and his model

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I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to retrieve the animator avatar's via code, so I'll have to look at some Unity docs later

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 4:43 PM

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what if I added a prefab that just spawns an enemy prefab, (so it would only have a script component attached) so people could spawn that instead?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:44 PM

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While that would work, it would make it harder to program enemies externally

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actually, I guess it depends on how that method is approached

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For reference, this is where the enemy should be, I just need to fix a few things

📎 unknown.png

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the idea is to get a basic enemy spawning, and then start cutting the system into pieces

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 4:49 PM

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I think jefes approach is better even for externa enemied

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:49 PM

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As I said, it depends on how it's approached

teal niche Nov 9, 2016, 4:50 PM

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Doom uses a prefab like that that can spawn both itens and enemies

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:50 PM

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If it's done that way then yeah it'd work

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in a sense

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it'd call a script to spawn the enemy type, based on some parameters on the prefab

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which would mean I could just override that spawning script to enable custom enemies

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but if it was just an extension of the current system, with the prefab pointing to a prefab, it would only complicate things

eager verge Nov 9, 2016, 4:56 PM

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@thorn trout can trump b a secret boss

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:57 PM

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no, that's in the Presidential CamPAIN DLC

eager verge Nov 9, 2016, 4:57 PM

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Like bob barbas for example

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 4:57 PM

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@prisma halo ok gotcha

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@eager verge naw there's no politics in Dusk

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 4:57 PM

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for reference

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the less a feature relies on the Unity inspector

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the less work required to externalise it

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e.g, if something is 100% code, without reliance on the inspector/GUI at all, it will be extremely easy to externalise

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which is true for the enemy AI, but not the enemies themselves

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stuff like the HUD and menus are very difficult to externalise because they use gameobjects that are seemingly pre-placed in the map, rather than created and managed via code

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 5:00 PM

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Will support for Steam Workshop include the possibility to create our own campaigns (or call itepisodes)? 😄

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:01 PM

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hmm, that might be a problem since most everything in Dusk relies heavily on the inspector

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:01 PM

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I've noticed

glass isle Nov 9, 2016, 5:01 PM

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*it episodes

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:01 PM

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however, using some form of prefab system that executes creation scripts would certainly soften the blow of stuff

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but it's really up to you, you're the dev

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:02 PM

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At this point that would probably mean recoding a significant amount of the framework

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off the top of my head

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:02 PM

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the HUD in particular probably wouldn't take too much work

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some of the other stuff though, may be a bit more complex

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:03 PM

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ugh

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I really wish I'd started this with modding in mind

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:04 PM

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heh, don't worry

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luckily Dusk's codebase is relatively small at the moment

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at least judging by the demo

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a lot of it could actually be condensed to be even smaller

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eg, stuff like BuzzSawHitScript, RivetHitScript, etc could be combined into a single script

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that handles the particles and stuff depending on a property that specifies what kind of projectile it was

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as well as damage, etc

eager verge Nov 9, 2016, 5:05 PM

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I wanna mod a bfg in to it yeeeee

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:05 PM

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I don't blame you for not designing it with modding in mind though

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Unity doesn't have a lot of focus on it

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most Unity devs don't even know the engine's capable of it

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:06 PM

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that's true, my concern is more having to redo stuff for modding AND everything else that needs done (like 24 more levels)

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:06 PM

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I can imagine

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although, depending on how stuff is redone, it may not be too painful, exactly how much stuff is 100% inspector-reliant right now?

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(also another note, it's entirely possible to keep the inspector around for debugging, with special scripts that in a sense "latch onto" other scripts and give you information in the inspector, so luckily modding support isn't going to destroy that development tool)

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:08 PM

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let me think

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I mean... a lot. Like, even something as simple as a single door has inspector edits done to its "invisible button" to make it the right size

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and I don't have any clue how ProBuilder does stuff

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:09 PM

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but is that the same for every door?

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as in, does each door of each type share the same size?

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:09 PM

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no

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every one is different

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:10 PM

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I see

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why the need for them to be different?

hazy saffron Nov 9, 2016, 5:10 PM

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every door is special

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:10 PM

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because every door is a different size

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:10 PM

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oh, I meant like

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Door Type A - size x
Door Type B - size y

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as in each instance of each type of door has the same size

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so if you have a large door, all large doors in the map have the same size

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then there's the swinging doors like on the house, each of those would have the same size

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(I'm bad at explanations)

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:12 PM

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well, the swinging doors on the house are all equal (they're a different prefab), but other doors are aren't. Like there's no "large door" and "small door" prefabs. There's just a door prefab which is a probuilder object that I can resize/reshape.

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:13 PM

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I see

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well

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that can certainly be worked around

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:13 PM

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Like I said, it's HEAVILY rooted in the inspector.

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:13 PM

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things like sizes of doors is something that would normally be map-specific anyway

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you'd just have a "door spawner" script and you'd specify size parameters (and optionally attach a mesh to it that only renders in the unity editor so you can see what it would look like ingame)

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that'd allow people to customize the look of doors without breaking the maps as well, since they'd always have the same size in the end

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or since they're probuilder objects

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you could just have a script that automatically generates the button based on the door's dimensions

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of course, you'd need to work out a formula for it, but I imagine it wouldn't be very difficult to come up with one

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:17 PM

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That's true, although I ALSO have some instances where the button part is offset from the actual door for various reasons

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:17 PM

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then provide that offset to the script

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:17 PM

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but that could probably be done with a script easily too

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:17 PM

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Yeah

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and have the "editor preview" reflect those changes as well

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:18 PM

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so... all of these properties would be constants in a script rather than assigned in the editor, that's the idea?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:18 PM

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They wouldn't be specified in the script, rather the script would just contain the variables and you'd set the values in the editor

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Stuff like door sizes isn't something that'd normally be externalized to a game's scripting language

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that'd be for later once ProBuilder has the map editor feature

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:19 PM

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hmm, I'm a little confused now... isn't that basically how all Unity scripts work anyway? The variables are in the script, you set them in the editor?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:19 PM

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Yes

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Although since doors are generally set by the map, it shouldn't matter for them specifically

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at the moment the main things that require externalisation to have a solid modding base is:

Weapons
Enemies
Items
Player
HUD
Menu

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depending on how comprehensive that upcoming ProBuilder in-game editor is, the door problem will go away by itself once that's in

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the script thing I suggested earlier would be pretty useless once that happens

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:22 PM

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ok, so if I understand you right, something like the awakedelay variable in the BasicAIScript is fine? BUt something like the properties of a collision box isn't, because that's something Unity's doing behind the scenes and isn't revealed in a script?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:22 PM

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Yes and no

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if it's an object that a mod can spawn or customize

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eg, enemies, items, etc

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then the default collision size should be in the script

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with the map simply defining xyz scale instead of explicit size

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explaining this stuff is more difficult than I anticipated lol

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okay this might be a better way of saying it

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if it's map geometry, it can be done in the inspector

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eg, doors, walls, you name it

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if it's something functional, like items, enemies, physics objects, etc

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then their base size should be done in their scripts, and you can have scale factors that you set in the inspector

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if that makes sense /walloftext

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 5:28 PM

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hello guys

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:28 PM

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and that's because the collider component isn't actually revealed for modders, so there has to be something in a script that can influence it, right? But variables (like awakedelay) in my own scripts can be modified?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:28 PM

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the collider component itself wouldn't get exposed, but some of its properties would

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namely, x y z size

stuck ermine Nov 9, 2016, 5:29 PM

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:/

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:29 PM

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as for stuff like awakedelay, those would be constant in the scripts

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since they're static properties for the enemies

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 5:29 PM

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ok lets try again...HEY BOYOS

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:29 PM

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on the mod-side, things like that would be done like this:

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actor : GasMaskGuy
{
    awakeDelay = 2;
}```

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@strong tartan yo

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 5:29 PM

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ahhh my man

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hey david

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:30 PM

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so anything from a script that I'm using on a per-instance basis isn't going to work then, right (awakedelay is only set for specific enemies, like the chainsaw guys at the beginning of the demo level)

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:31 PM

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if it's something that should be settable from the editor, then it shouldn't be an issue

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awakeDelay would certainly have a default value script-side, but it could be overridden in the editor

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 5:31 PM

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#seenbydavid XD

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:31 PM

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for example, in Doom, enemies have a "deaf" setting

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:31 PM

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hi bread 😃

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 5:31 PM

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lol

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:31 PM

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by default it's off, but a mod can turn it on for an enemy by default

strong tartan Nov 9, 2016, 5:32 PM

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hows stuff going guys

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:32 PM

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but a map can also control that flag per-instance

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:32 PM

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ok, so right now you'd be able to change awakedelay on a per-enemy basis right?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:32 PM

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yes

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:32 PM

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basically if vars in my own scripts that I'm setting from the editor are fine, then it actually might not be too big a deal to adjust for moddability

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:33 PM

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to say it more clearly: awakedelay is currently handled correctly

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:33 PM

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gotcha

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but anything that I CAN'T set from one of my OWN SCRIPTS in the editor needs changed, correct?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:33 PM

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Yes, if it can't be set via script then that should ideally be resolved

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:34 PM

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ok, but just to make extra sure, "via script" doesn't mean it has to be baked into the script as a constant, it can be changed per-instance with the inspector. Yes?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:34 PM

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yes

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:34 PM

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ok

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cool

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that actually should be doable then

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:34 PM

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I probably shouldn't have said "constant"

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I moreso just meant that it has a default value

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so each "GasMaskGuy" may have a default health value of 50

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therefore you'd only need to set that in the editor if you wanted to give him more or less health

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which you are already doing via prefabs

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you'd just need to turn those prefabs into spawn scripts and you're gold

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:36 PM

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sorry, can you explain the spawn scripts thing to me too? 😦

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:36 PM

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in the end you'll only have one prefab for spawning stuff, and it'd let you choose what type of object, and then set any of its properties if necessary

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a spawn script is just a script that creates the gameobject, gives it all of its components, etc

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:37 PM

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ahh ok, so like it gets stuff like position, type, etc passed to it and it does the actual spawning at runtime then?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:37 PM

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exactly

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rather than relying on a prefab

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:39 PM

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does this mean every object in the levels I've already created is going to have to be replaced with something else?

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or will it be enough to just have the spawner script for modding purposes

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and place prefabs in my own levels like I've been doing

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:40 PM

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You would have to replace each enemy in the level with an appropriately configured instance of the spawn script

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:40 PM

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and every ite,

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right?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:41 PM

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yes

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well

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you only need to replace instances

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since everything related to the enemy's "type" would be set by the spawn script instance itself

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think of it in the sense that there's only one generic "enemy", and you set properties on it such as model, AI type, etc

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the spawn script would create an instance of this generic enemy and set the appropriate properties on it

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and when a modder creates a new enemy/actor type, it just adds a new type of enemy to the list that the spawn script is capable of creating

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:43 PM

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is the issue the way Unity packages prefabs, or that some of the variables on the prefab are Unity types?

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(like, GameObject)

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:44 PM

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it's moreso that prefabs are not only hard to change due to their nature, it's incredibly hard to override and locate them from external code

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I'm not even sure if prefabs get packaged with a built game, it might just bake them as regular instances into the maps when the game is built

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I haven't done any proper research into that though

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:45 PM

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But wouldn't the spawner script just be another prefab?

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:45 PM

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Yes, but it wouldn't contain any information in it that would need to be externalized

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you wouldn't even necessarily need to use a prefab for it, it'd just make it easier to use on your end

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it'd just be an empty gameobject with a script attached to it

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:46 PM

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ok gotcha

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:46 PM

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and that script would do the job of looking at the external information and creating enemies

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let's say the spawn script has a collection of 'default values' for each enemy type

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doing something like this from a mod:

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actor : SomeMonster
{
    health = 200;
    model = "boo_im_a_scary_monster";
}```

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would just add another list of default values for an enemy type of "SomeMonster" to that collection

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so whenever the spawnscript is told to create something with the type "SomeMonster", it'd create an enemy with those values

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:50 PM

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ahh ok I see

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I'm just really discouraged at the idea of not only having to take the time to figure out the script, but also redo the spawns in every level I've made.

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:51 PM

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I would be too

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:51 PM

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But it sounds like this needs to be done now rather than later

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:52 PM

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It would certainly reduce the amount of work down the line if you decide to add mod support post-release, that's for sure

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but try not to let it eat into development time too much, as much as I love seeing mod support in games, it should be considered a second-class citizen compared to the game itself until the game is released

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If all enemies share a common property or component (such as BasicAIScript), you could even write an editor script to automatically replace all the instances

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so you wouldn't need to do it manually

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(it goes without saying that you should backup your Unity project files before executing such a script though, just in case)

thorn trout Nov 9, 2016, 5:54 PM

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Yeah I was just wondering if that would be the best idea. Just continue as I'm doing and figure on writing editor scripts to handle all the replacement later on

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because as much as I would love to have mod support, first priority is having a game in the first place

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and I have a baby coming in like 6 months

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which is going to hamper development a little 😛

prisma halo Nov 9, 2016, 5:55 PM

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Certainly, I'd take an 11/10 Dusk with mod support post-release than a 4/10 Dusk with practically its own Unity built into it on release

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Oh shit, congrats!