fallen-aces-modding

[sly steppe]

Like in a very very long time ago

[outer pond]

uhhhh is there a limit to how big people can make their custom levels?

[sly steppe]

Good question

[echo oyster]

Not sure, the floating point might get in the way

[compact helm]

I think the fallen ace editor needs a mesure tool or something similar

Because if i need made 190 square big, i should count to 190 squares?

[teal axle]

if you select an edge you can check its length on the bottom left corner

[echo oyster]

Why would you need to make a square of such specific lenght????

[compact helm]

Because I want make a big map. Let me show you

[echo oyster]

Well then eyeball it, duh

Why the fuck would you want to make it so specofic

[compact helm]

Because i need make a big map

[echo oyster]

Yeah and?

You can eyeball a big map

You dont need to count the units to make a big map

[compact helm]

But thats not possible. I been using others 3D apps for creat sometgings, an they had a ruler tool for mesure all

I only asking for help, at the leas I know this is the first step

I hope so I don't crash my game.

[compact helm]

I seeing the Docks maps, and let me tell you that your are so wrong. How THE FUCK you can do that big map with out a rule tool? Its impossible make that big.

This Editor need a mesure tool, but its true.

[sly steppe]

I think it’s better to wait for level editor to receive more improvement and time since fallen aces is still EA

Or have its own Plus Plus version like notepad++ and hammer++

[echo oyster]

Zoom out in the editor and draw a big shape???

Seriously dude what is your problem?????

[compact helm]

That big shape have an exactly mesures no random ones

[echo oyster]

Why do they have to be so specific, do you really have to keep it that precise?

[compact helm]

After counting 52 x2 to 2 sides and counting 34 x2 in the bottom side, I still claim a necessary ruler tool

[echo oyster]

For what???

[compact helm]

For make the map

The base of the map

[echo oyster]

What would be the application for a ruler

Why do you need to have such a specific base

[compact helm]

I send to you my idea.

[echo oyster]

Yea i mean its good to have a plan but you dont need stupidly precise measures

Its a waste of time

Just make landmarks first and than make land around them

[compact helm]

The mesures are not stupid, with out mesure some things can go down

This bing looks now the base

[echo oyster]

Go down?? Huh?

[echo oyster]

What with it

[compact helm]

This is the base, from where i will add also the lake

[sly steppe]

@outer pond for whatever reason your blank room soup mod ain't replacing mike's man-quin

[echo oyster]

Decided to make a list of things i'd like to see in the editor since ive been using it for a while:
-custom music and dialouge
-some way to add custom models, maybe even a tool to convert sectors into models
-a way to change a texture's global properties dynamically with scripts
-custom skyboxes

[compact helm]

And a ruler tool

[teal axle]

you can already see the length of your edges jcaor like i told you before

i agree id rather have it like in doom builder but you can check it

[outer pond]

I might’ve done something wrong then, I’ll try to fix it when I get back home.

[compact helm]

Ok, i guess

[outer pond]

I think I might've fixed it. See if it works.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3555359452

[oblique python]

I can see the utility in measuring things out, but the great thing about vertices, lines, sectors, and so forth is simply that if anything is off, you can just drag it into place when you get to the point of needing to be particular.

I have like, 4 or 5 layers of open sky space so I can detail building exteriors in layers. I square it up as I go, because it doesn't matter until there's some interest in that space.

And maybe it's just a difference of approach, but I don't think you need to start with a big huge sector boundary to work in. My thing, which now encompasses about 1.5 city blocks, started as a single room. Then I built the rest of a building out of it, one room at a time, then went up a floor, and then I just started building the world outside that building by carving out negative space.

AND ONE OF THESE DAYS, THEY'LL LET ME POST SCREENSHOTS HERE SO I CAN ILLUSTRATE WHAT I MEAN!!!

[echo oyster]

it's an approach thing, i tend to carve out the terrain first

but yeah there's a lot of different ways to do it

[outer pond]

you just gotta be active. once your name is brown, you can post pics

[tawdry parrot]

You can already use custom music and dialogue. Just place an audio file in an external folder and use it. You can also change a textures by using the change texture on break feature.

[echo oyster]

there are problems with this approach to music
-no custom loading screen music
-no custom combat music
-the music volume setting doesn't work with audio players

WAIT THEY CAN CLIMB????

that is fucking awesome!

[echo oyster]

also, how is the alternate texture for the change texture on break event chosen?

[median mason]

The editor will get some upgrades with the next update, eg: Being able to drag select sectors over multiple layers, and copy paste while preserving layers + Unlocked slope directions.

And yeah we'll add playing custom music with SetNormalMusicTrack etc, not sure if that'll be in this next update though

[median mason]

It would be TextureName_b You may need to actually include this texture somewhere in the level to ensure it gets loaded

[compact helm]

And a ruler tool?

[median mason]

Maybe

[frank flicker]

eventually, the same old brick boxes get boring, so i decided to try my skills at architecture

[echo oyster]

Throttlin architecture?

[frank flicker]

with the help of tony

he knows more about this stuff than i do

[sly steppe]

jesus christ

it looks perfect

[echo oyster]

yeah ti's really good, just needs some texture variety

and a little detail

slap some windows on and bam

beatiful ass building

[frank flicker]

FUUCK!!! ITS ASYMETRICAL!!!

[echo oyster]

How did you even do that

[sly steppe]

not working

[frank flicker]

holy shit

it looks even better in person

[fiery tree]

if you work inverted sectors like brushes it can do wonders

may be a bit time consuming but its great

Although i am biased

[echo oyster]

Im not sure what exactly im talking about, but that is a very throttlin gooning looking building

It just looks very throttlin gooning

Also is that lighting... colored

Holy shit that lighting is colored

What the fuck

[frank flicker]

throttlin gooning renaissance

[echo oyster]

Oh also try adding lights shafts coming out of the windows, that might look cool

[outer pond]

literally how?

i did everything the workshop uploader guide said

[sly steppe]

No clue as well

[oblique python]

Speaking of uploads, you can expect this sometime next year.

Lot of work to do. And I don't actually think the final level design works until I got events, the second major node of activity, and ideally the Umberg PD assets to play with. But I'm chipping away at the project, one detail at a time. Right now, in the alternate version of the map, I'm trying to get a good light/fog formula in place for just the right mood. Shadows will follow, but I'm pretty into detailing buildings atm. And implementing custom assets to set the mood. Moving from activity node one (pictured) over to activity node 2 (blocked out, and ideas brewing.) In the end I aim to make a decent looking and dynamic feeling ImSim mission level. I think it's going to be big.

(relative to a mod for a game that isn't nearly as popular as it deserves to be)

[frank flicker]

holy peak

[echo oyster]

DAMN that looks good

.. maybe you uhh need some playtesters for that

[frank flicker]

this is genuinely amazing holy shit

you could post these as a fake leak of episode 2 and id believe you

especially the outside buildings

[sly steppe]

Holy hell

[oblique python]

Heh. It's maybe 25% as good as official map work, but I appreciate the compliment.

As for playtesting, I think I need the objectives and events in place before I really worry about that. As it is, it's kind of a museum. Lots to look at, not a lot to do yet. But I will open it to testing when I get there.

[echo oyster]

custom tv

[manic swift]

"im as shocked as you" this is actually mike talking to the viewer, about how hes shocked theres now a tv

[echo oyster]

this new tv is shockingly shocking. shocked

[sly steppe]

Looks like a terminal

[echo oyster]

based it off a real polish tv

so i guess soviet tech just looked like that

[echo oyster]

based off this

[sly steppe]

Oh wow

[compact helm]

I want to add a lake. I should add a new layer fro the lake or no?

For this I aske for the help of an other person, I cant do this alone.

[frank flicker]

cut out a hole in a sector and change the hole's floor height

[compact helm]

How? First I need creat a new lever?

[echo oyster]

Use the cut tool

And draw over the existing sector

It will split the sector up

[compact helm]

How i change the height?

[echo oyster]

decided to remake my custom consumables to match the style of those new sprites trey posted on his twitter

[sly steppe]

Nice

Looks like an upgraded hotdog for some reason

[lusty prism]

super hotdog

[echo oyster]

here's an wip

beer❤️

[knotty rock]

how on earth do u get mods

[echo oyster]

Workshop

Duh

[sly steppe]

im guessing it behaves similar to whisky?

[echo oyster]

Reskinned painkillers

[sly steppe]

oh

[compact helm]

How I should copy the fallen Aces Style

[echo oyster]

Style of what?

Sprites, textures?

[compact helm]

Sprites

[compact helm]

I can't make the circle, its not working

[sly steppe]

https://youtu.be/4iqHjLLJ9wU?si=Wt9iviwmVbXswIzA

0:24

[compact helm]

Yeah, the cut tool. But you told me that doing the left click to make a dot... So I thoutgh that

[sly steppe]

left click

left click again

make a circle

once you're done you right click

[compact helm]

I need to make all the lake again,... Fuck

[echo oyster]

oh yeah!! alcocholic beverage!!!

splendid

[sly steppe]

anyone has an answer for kawery?

[tawdry parrot]

Btw, the editor got a patch. A very important game changing one for mappers. You can now copy and paste different layers grouped together. So say you have a building or couch made of different inverted sectors on different layers, you can now select them all and paste the whole thing without having to do it manually. Saves tons of time. Unfortunately you can move whole clusters up and down, you'll still have to move each one individually.

[frank flicker]

huh, 2 workshop submissons dissappeared

i wonder why

[teal axle]

they probably caused issues with the latest update

[sly steppe]

im getting this message despite the folders being in correct order

for context, im trying to update my LSD custom level because there was a missing texture error thingy

[sly steppe]

this also include audio, this audio went from mp3 to ogg

[echo oyster]

hey uhh is there a way to depack textures\sprites into images with the tools we have access to?

[tawdry parrot]

no

[echo oyster]

Pant shittingly unfortunate news

[echo oyster]

How do i even make natural terrain, what the fuck

[fiery tree]

use slopes

[echo oyster]

Yea but like how do i split up the sectors

To make a small hill for example, something like that

Gentle incline

[teal axle]

im not sure what you mean

[echo oyster]

well i know that i have to use slopes, im just not sure how to make them look natural

a perfect incline doesn't exactly look natural

[teal axle]

ooh you'll probably have to use a bunch of sectors with different heights for floors and slopes

which is kinda tricky since you get limited angles for slopes

[echo oyster]

naw

[teal axle]

although i think we have more now?

[echo oyster]

update changed it

[teal axle]

they're still tricky to work with

but you should be able to make neat hills

just a lot of work tbh

i think it's a thing between sectors and the new rocks

[teal axle]

anyone else had an issue with the search function for the textures not working?

[sly steppe]

https://youtu.be/PKbcHfP6oLA?si=8cPfWXjHgR5dbOjU

[outer pond]

Okay, I'm having trouble adding shadows in my map, for some reason the line drawing tool makes extra unwanted "walls" for some odd reason. Any help would be appreciated.

It does in some areas though, but not the ones I want the shadows to go.

Please someone help

[sly steppe]

hang on let me check ace ed real quick

do you have full bright mode on?

[outer pond]

No.

[sly steppe]

wait try screen shot this

[outer pond]

Okay hold up

[echo oyster]

Ok wow that is kinda fucked up

I'd suggest using layers for overlapping sectors

Makes it way nicer

[sly steppe]

always use the layer system

[outer pond]

K

[sly steppe]

doesnt matter how much layers even for the smallest sectors like creating wooden crate boxes

[outer pond]

This is my first time with the editor so bear with me lol

[echo oyster]

You could also use the cut tool, it splits your existing sector up

The cut tool is also how you could make shadows

[outer pond]

Where's the cut tool?

[sly steppe]

sectors

and you'll see cutout

[outer pond]

Oh cool

[echo oyster]

Cut t/b

[outer pond]

Thanks

[outer pond]

Heyyyyy uh is there a "delete" tool for 3d mode by any chance? There's a textureless wall that shouldn't even be there.

I can't reposition it for some reason

[echo oyster]

Huh, sent a screenshot if it in 3d and 2d mode

Probably something to do with sector cutting

[outer pond]

That thing isn't supposed to be there

I need to move it out of the view or just get rid of it entirely

[echo oyster]

Ok, right click it

Select plane options, deselect the visible and solid options

[outer pond]

still there

[echo oyster]

What the hell

Aight uhh how does it look in 2d mode

[outer pond]

The one nearest to the camera

[echo oyster]

Ok honestly i have no fucking clue whats going on

[tawdry parrot]

If you want to add shadows you have to use the cutout tool. Otherwise you'll get weird z fighting

[outer pond]

Lil textureless goober don't wanna move though

[tawdry parrot]

Looks like you have like a stray lindef. Just delete it and make a new one.

[outer pond]

I'll try.

Wtf?

[fiery tree]

You can select it and uncheck the "visible" and "solid" checkboxes

on the line

[outer pond]

I did that and it didn't work for some reason

[tawdry parrot]

Try making a line over your current line.

[fiery tree]

There are upper lower and middle lines

[outer pond]

Okay

[fiery tree]

You are likely working with the middle line

Try specifically disabling the visibility of the upper one

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah the middle line is the stretched out one. The upper line is the one above.

[fiery tree]

easier to figure out which is which in 3d mode

[outer pond]

It at least got rid of the textureless lil goober, but there's some sorta gate thing here still

[echo oyster]

No, there's nothing there

That's how invisible lines show up in editor

[fiery tree]

that jsut means the wall is invisible

[outer pond]

This stuff is probably common with ppl who never touched the editor so I'm sorry if I'm asking for too much

Oh okay. So the player can't see that ingame and could walk through?

[echo oyster]

No

They can't

[fiery tree]

As long as you didnt mark it as solid

[outer pond]

Uh

[outer pond]

It isn't marked solid

So ig it's all good?

[fiery tree]

then its as if the wall is not there, yea

Invisible and uncollidable

[outer pond]

Cool thanks

[vestal musk]

How do I select a line when the "Stretch" button is only available in 3D mode, where you can only select a side?

[outer pond]

Ummm it didn't automatically create the "bvh" file for the level

And yes I saved it

Yeah my level fucking sucks

[echo oyster]

When in game use the bakebhv command

[echo oyster]

Just left click the wall with the texture you want to stretch in 3d mode

[teal axle]

don't stress too much

[echo oyster]

Doesn't work on floor n ceiling textures

[teal axle]

if you feel like you need to start over, do it

[echo oyster]

Don't worry bout it, it's just kinda how it goes

Good levels take time and a shit ton of playtesting

Oh and expierience

[outer pond]

I had already built the entirety of the level and in the editor it looked so good, but when I played the actual level, some of the wall textures were just the "default" labels.

[outer pond]

Yeah, but I'm concerned about why a handful of the textures just don't appear, they're from the game

[teal axle]

which ones exactly?

[echo oyster]

Default as in the gray ones?

[outer pond]

Yup, with the "Default" label in the corner

[echo oyster]

That sounds like a z fighting issue

[vestal musk]

Damn, that explains why not working for me. These are the most difficult textures to adjust.

[echo oyster]

Could you send the level's txt file here, ill have a look at it when i get home

[outer pond]

Okay. (It sucks though)

[teal axle]

it actually does not, seems you've put a lot of work in it

[outer pond]

Yeah, but I'm sad that it's not working the way I intended, but Idk what else to do.

[teal axle]

i've taken a look at it and it seems it works fine?

it doesn't look like it's missing any textures you haven't set in the editor

[outer pond]

There is no possible conceivable way lol

[frank flicker]

living quarters improvements

[outer pond]

Hey how do I get a sound or music to play? in a custom level?

[frank flicker]

use the audioplayer thing

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926 more info here

go to the audio player section

[outer pond]

Okay thanks

[sly steppe]

And use .ogg file type

Not mp3

[outer pond]

I'll try my best to understand it lol

[outer pond]

Thanks for the heads up lol, I probably would've assumed to use mp3 or wav

[median mason]

mp3 and wav should work now

[outer pond]

Is there a "delete" tool or something for things?

I want to get rid of the unwanted audio players.

[echo oyster]

press the delete key with the thing selected

works on anything else like sectors or vertices too

[outer pond]

Thanks

[outer pond]

Ik I feel like I'm asking way too much, but is there a specific event for when a sound plays when the player gets close enough to it?

Also I'm going to need help with how to get notes to work

[teal axle]

you'll need to set up a trigger with events for that

you've got two you can use, event triggers (a box you can change its size of), or plane triggers

once you check the properties it's pretty straight-forward

here's a quick explanation i did for the notes but i'm sure there's a better one out there

#fallen-aces-modding message

[outer pond]

Oh sweet. Thanks.

[outer pond]

It worked. What about one for picking up food like the ace cola?

[outer pond]

Do I need to create a different event for each note?

[teal axle]

i think so, otherwise it'll read all notes at once

[teal axle]

make an event on pickup for the ace cola

[frank flicker]

how do i make a sector with no collision

[outer pond]

Do I name the event a specific name? Or just make one up?

[frank flicker]

you dont need to name, but you probably should for your convenience

prevents future headaches

if your level gets real big

[outer pond]

So I just name it "Ace Cola" or something to remember it by?

[frank flicker]

id say "OnColaPickUp" is better

more specific

[outer pond]

Okay cool.

[frank flicker]

means you dont need to memorize everything

[outer pond]

Sweet I'll give it a go

And Ig I'll just name the other note pickups something like "ReadNote2" and "ReadNote3"?

[frank flicker]

i suggest you name them based on what the note contains

like, if a note has something about a public notice, name it publicnoticenote

or something like that

not actually necessary, but i personally do that

[outer pond]

Okay, thanks for the advice

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900966887251402805/1375202769555820665/1.1x.webp

[echo oyster]

ehh it's fine

[outer pond]

I uploaded my first Fallen Aces level to the workshop. I hope y'all will like it

[halcyon cargo]

hey uh

[outer pond]

Try refreshing. Maybe it'll work?

[echo oyster]

give it a second

steam is checking the file or some shit like that

[halcyon cargo]

yeah it shows up

[outer pond]

Oh yeah I remember they do that lol

Really hope y'all like it though

[echo oyster]

you fucked up the file structure mate

[outer pond]

I knew I did something wrong

[echo oyster]

now ya see, you're supposed to mimic the layout of the AcesData folder

so it should go something like this
Episodes\EpisodeFolder\LevelFolder

your level is just the episode plopped into the folder

[outer pond]

Oh sweet. Thanks.

[echo oyster]

just think of it as if you're putting something into the acesdata folder

that's how your structure is supposed to look

your mod folder serves as the acesdata folder

[halcyon cargo]

i had a thought, would it be possible to mod the death animation to make mike flip the bird as he dies?

or like get a spade from his back and start diggin his own grave those are just 2 ideas i had off the top of my head

[echo oyster]

naw

[outer pond]

That'd be so funny

[echo oyster]

it's just not possible sadly, things such as movement animations are not located in AcesData, but elsewhere instead

@outer pond note doesn't work

[outer pond]

Hold on gimme a sec, I gotta arrange where to put the episode

[echo oyster]

yea aight sure

[outer pond]

I put the episode in the LevelFolder, right?

[echo oyster]

Uhhh, no?

episodes are colections of levels

or one level depending on the mod

[halcyon cargo]

yo wait this is gonna be a collection of levels wtf?

actually nah probably not still looks good

[echo oyster]

ok so just take a look at the acesdata folder

it's located in your fallen aces directory

[frank flicker]

is it possible to see your coordinates in the editor? it would be very convenient for the camera scripts and such

[echo oyster]

... uhhh don't the camera scripts use ref points?

[outer pond]

Wait I meant the level in LevelFolder

Not the episode I'm so stupid lol

[echo oyster]

no no no you don't do that, hold on

[frank flicker]

what i meant is this

these are coordinates, right?

[outer pond]

That's what I would assume

[echo oyster]

uhh hold on a second ain't these like tags or something?

i'll check

[frank flicker]

maybe

[echo oyster]

30 is blake's tag

[outer pond]

What folder should I put them in?

[frank flicker]

ah, that explains it then

thank you, bingleton

[echo oyster]

34 is the tag for this ref point mike walks to

[echo oyster]

no problem, im binging my ass over here

[echo oyster]

ok anyway back to this

SO first off you got your mod folder, right?

create an episodes folder inside of it

[outer pond]

Okay.

[echo oyster]

create a folder (name doesn't matter) inside the episodes (i mean episodes not episode) folder

inside of this folder with any name place your episodeinfo.txt file and your level folder

[frank flicker]

i assume -1 is mike's tag

[echo oyster]

uh huh

[outer pond]

Oh okay, I'll do that.

[echo oyster]

i also noticed that you have a stray audio file in your level folder

that is not the spot where you should put it

instead, create a folder named audio in your mod folder (the same folder with episodes in it)

inside of your audio folder create three subfolders : ambience, music, and sounds

place your audio folder in any of these subfolders

then, in editor set your audio player's path to Subfolder\audiofile.ogg

something like this

[outer pond]

Hold on I'm doing my best

[frank flicker]

we believe in you

[outer pond]

Okay what's next?

[echo oyster]

well uhhh you're done

you got an audio player

you can play around with settings like volume and all that

[outer pond]

Alright, I'll try to upload and see if it works this time

[outer pond]

And I make the directory to the "Episodes" folder I made? (For the workshop uploader)

[outer pond]

Please tell me if this works guys
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3562733365

[halcyon cargo]

no

[outer pond]

Dang

Is it just not showing up on the episode list?

[echo oyster]

uhh you haven't updated it?

or wait did you

oh you deleted the old one for some reason?

weird

[outer pond]

I put the folders where you told me to, and I went into ace level editor and set the correct directory

[echo oyster]

uhh episodes is named fucking episode thingy for some reason

god damn am i really this shit at explaining things to people, damn

[outer pond]

I thought you said I could name that folder into any name

[echo oyster]

naw naw naw

the episodes folder must be named that

the folder INSIDE of episodes can be named whatever

[outer pond]

Yeah, that is the folder inside the Episodes folder

[outer pond]

Also no, you aren't. I'm just kind of smooth brained.

[echo oyster]

uh huh, but like the episodes folder was named episode thingy for some reason

like this one here was named episode thingy

[outer pond]

Why?

I didn't name that folder "EpisodeThingy"

[echo oyster]

i don't fucking know, you uploaded the level 😭

weird

hold on

[outer pond]

This is my first time uploading a level so I'm not really sure what I'm doing.

[echo oyster]

god fucking damn 😭

[outer pond]

Wait what's happening?

[echo oyster]

i don;t even fucking know myself hold on

im uhhh im trying

[outer pond]

Take your time, don't sweat it.

Wait, now the level doesn't even show up on the episode list what?

That's kind of odd

[frank flicker]

any ideas how to make a sector without collision?

i think it has something to do with the underlay thingamabob

[median mason]

You’d select the each wall, floor and ceiling of the sector, go into plane options and uncheck solid

Underlay has to do with how sprites are rendered through the sector floor

[outer pond]

Hey did you figure out what it is?

I'm not really sure what it could even be myself so I was just wondering.

[frank flicker]

thanks

[frank flicker]

in the world of throttlin gooning, traps await at every corner, some are more primitive than others

[sly steppe]

those knife mooks missed their knife throw

[frank flicker]

dumbasses

(don't look at the bell i took from google images)

[sly steppe]

im more interested in how the hell you implemented a bell trap

did you use monoedge or some unity modding tool to implement it?

[frank flicker]

no

just events

[echo oyster]

Kid named event trigger

[frank flicker]

you trigger the event placed in the tripwire, the event then activates the bell sound, unlocks the doors, and spawns the hoods

[sly steppe]

wow

[echo oyster]

Also uhh post this to the modding server before hooligan goes completely nuts

[frank flicker]

file too big

its over

hang on let me compress it real nice like

[echo oyster]

Make it like 2 pixels it should fit

[outer pond]

@echo oyster did you figure out if there was a problem with my map?

[echo oyster]

yeah there's a problem with the map, i have no fucking clue what it is tho

[outer pond]

Aww man

That friggin sucks, I hoped that ppl could've enjoyed what I made.

Even if it sucks

[outer pond]

Okay I tried to mimic the acesdata as best I can. I'm determined to have this level be available for ppl to play so I reuploaded it to the workshop. Please tell me if this works.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3563492295

[halcyon cargo]

downloaded, loade the game, went to workshgop levels, nothing. i assume that guy is the logo whatever for the mod it wasnt there i looked through my downloads it wasnt there

[outer pond]

Dang it. Why does everything I'm uploading not working?

I followed every step of the sdk doc

[outer pond]

Yeah the silly Dexter picture is the poster for the level

Hold on, lemme try again.

Dude it's not even working

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037725234712825868/1326411110240227429/1736310759695573.gif

I've tried literally everything and it ain't working. The level doesn't even show up in the selection.

[tawdry parrot]

You can give the wire a breakable geometry tag so it destroys itself when you walk through it.

[outer pond]

Trey sorry for ping, but I'm having trouble with uploading my level to the workshop. I followed evrything the guide said, but people said the level doesn't appear on the selection.

[tawdry parrot]

make sure you stick it in an episode folder otherwise it won't show up

[outer pond]

I did

I was told that I should try to mimic the acesdata file structure, so I did that as well

[tawdry parrot]

what do your chapter and epsiode info files look like?

[tawdry parrot]

hmmm

[outer pond]

Dang, I guess it's just bad luck?

[outer pond]

Yeah, I've tried everything I could. Tbf though, there isn't really much to do in the level anyways except walk around, one event happens but it's just something to get players slightly paranoid.

So Ig it's not like it'd be enjoyable.

Just kinda annoying how I spent 15 hours on a workshop level, only to not be available for other people to play.

[tawdry parrot]

@median mason any ideas?

[median mason]

Is it uploaded to the workshop? I can't find it, if I can download it I can see what's wrong

[outer pond]

I deleted it. But I can def upload it again if you'd like.

[median mason]

Up to you, can keep it hidden

[outer pond]

It's uploaded.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3563641243

[halcyon cargo]

no its not

[outer pond]

Wdym

[sly steppe]

new rule

if a game has a level editor, someone probably made a backroom level

im downloading the level right now btw

[outer pond]

Well good luck finding it on the selector

It isn't there

[sly steppe]

yep

[median mason]

I'm looking into why

[outer pond]

Thanks. I'm glad you're willing to help, man.

[outer pond]

Yeah, it doesn't even work for me lol. I uploaded it like several times.

[sly steppe]

figuring out the file stuff is such a pain in the ass

probably another reason why I'm not bothered to make a third custom level

im gonna try my best to explain

the episode folder should have 1 single file

[outer pond]

Oooohhh.

I'm stupid

[sly steppe]

That 1 single file should contain your level, episode info, a bvh file and a poster

[sly steppe]

No its not that, its just that these kinds of situation is often very complex and confusing to follow

[frank flicker]

good idea

[outer pond]

Ah okay. I was following a video tutorial that Trey made.

[sly steppe]

you also still need one single file in your episode folder IF you made two custom levels BUT want to put them in one download

Intro and Action in the screenshot are two levels in one file that is named Madness Goonbat 2

[outer pond]

Ah I see. Mine is only one level so I'll keep that in mind if I want to make a part 2 of it

[sly steppe]

alright

[outer pond]

Okay so should I delete my old upload and upload the new one? Or is there a way I can update the upload?

[sly steppe]

you CAN update the upload

do you have a save

it has ACEMOD file type

[outer pond]

Yes

[sly steppe]

i also recommand make a new file for fallen aces custom level if you plan to create more

[median mason]

Yeah you just gotta put another folder in Episodes. So it'd be Episodes/Mike in da backrooms/

episodeInfo.txt goes in Episodes/Mike in da backrooms/episodeInfo.txt

[outer pond]

Oh yeah, that's something I did in my file explorer. It's in there along with the "RayRay mod"

[outer pond]

Sweet. Thanks for the clarification.

[median mason]

All the files you've got currently in Episodes should go into that new folder basically

[outer pond]

Thanks. I was having a bit of trouble understanding some stuff lol

[median mason]

Also chapterinfo.txt and episodeinfo.txt might be case sensitive, they actually have a capitial I

[outer pond]

Also how can I update it?

[median mason]

So it should be chapterInfo.txt and episodeInfo.txt

[outer pond]

Oh shoot. I didn't even know lmao. I'm gonna change that

[sly steppe]

made a mistake, i was supoosed to say update

you use the workshop uploader and press load and find your acemod file

[outer pond]

Oh okay sweet.

[sly steppe]

although you accidentally made another copy in the steam workshop, the level is now in my workshop

i can't read that paper for some reason

[outer pond]

Dang. I thought I set up the event

[outer pond]

Also yeah I noticed that there's a copy for some reason

Maybe I can edit the level in the editor and reupload it?

Hopefully that'll fix the note issue

[halcyon cargo]

yeah the notes dont work

[outer pond]

I'm working on it. Hoping the notes and sound cues will work this time

I'm gonna delete the other ones and upload this new one, y'all tell me if it works or not.

I think they should work now.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3563664676

[sly steppe]

cant read the note

[outer pond]

There is no way. What? It should be working.

[sly steppe]

you should playtest your level

but im gonna try explain how

[outer pond]

I am rn and I can read the note

[sly steppe]

hm

what file location you updated from

[outer pond]

Huh

[sly steppe]

i can't really explain it well but here

so when you fix the note function in your custom level

theres a button called save

when you press save

this pops up

[outer pond]

Yeah I saved

The save is in the level folder

Not ACESMOD file, but the txt save is.

[sly steppe]

was the mod dictionary selecting the recently saved file

i mean the mod dictionary in the same file you're updating

[outer pond]

Yes

[sly steppe]

thats weird

[outer pond]

It's working for me. I don't know why it can't work for you

I just hit ecsape because I didn't wanna spoil the note

But yeah that's weird

Maybe you're still subscribed to the older one?

[frank flicker]

its because of the path

you dont need the whole path, just the .txt files' name

[outer pond]

Ohhhh my bad

[frank flicker]

splitcoco doesnt have his fallen aces in his D disk, so it cant show for him

or maybe he does, idk

[outer pond]

Wait, but then how would it read the note for me?

[frank flicker]

because the path only works for your computer

[outer pond]

Oh

I'm so stupid lol

Lemme fix it

[frank flicker]

||you should add some blood decals near the corpses||

[outer pond]

So I just make like "\NoteName.txt"?

[frank flicker]

no /

[outer pond]

True true

[frank flicker]

just NoteName.txt

[outer pond]

Got it, thanks

[sly steppe]

i notce theres no EndLevel script

or a script file

do you plan to make a level exit?

[outer pond]

Tbf ||there is no escaping the backrooms =)||

Might make one in the future though

Okay I have uploaded the new one lol
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3563675491

It should work now

[sly steppe]

worked

[outer pond]

Sweet! Let's friggnin' go

Also I'd like to get Mike to say something like "What the hell?" at the beginning of the level lol

Like his line in the stalker guy's place.

Oh yeah, and enjoy the level and all of it's paranoia =)

[tawdry parrot]

Still saying nobody has done a cruise ship map.

[frank flicker]

i plan on making tg2's hard mode as evil as possible

heres an unacessible molotov mook

[sly steppe]

so throwing something at the molotov mook will do nothing?

[frank flicker]

no its like

you cant hit him with melee

so just shoot at him or throw a gas canister

and theres no way to the roof

[sly steppe]

ok thank god

[outer pond]

Played the first Throttlin' Goonin' map. Loved the "me and the boys" reference lol

[echo oyster]

Replace him with a machine gun mook for authentic bloodrust level design

[frank flicker]

maybe

[echo oyster]

Make a bloodrust version of the level and just shit out a bunch of knifeguys pistolguys and machine gun mooks all over the place

[frank flicker]

tbh sleep with fishes is already that

[echo oyster]

Hmmm yes the binging my ass level design philosophy claims another victim, splendid

[frank flicker]

bloodrustrot

[echo oyster]

Also since tg2 is set at night, will it feature some stealth?

[frank flicker]

it will feature alternative pathways

once im done with one real nice area im making another demo test

and probably the last one

[iron valve]

playing it rn it works

there IS a way out right?

[frank flicker]

can the despawn script despawn enemies?

cause it doesnt seem to work for me

[echo oyster]

despawn enemies? what are ya tryin to do ere, im curious

[frank flicker]

ok hang on

[frank flicker]

the idea is, there's a bombossa guy chased by basement dwellers, when they reach the waypoint they play an event that plays a despawn script, so it looks like the basement dwellers killed the bombossa guy

[echo oyster]

why not have them actually kill him? i mean seeing his dead body would make it way clearer that he got killed than if he dissapeared

[frank flicker]

sure but how would i make the basement dwellers dissappear

[echo oyster]

you could have them run into a door and have it lock behind them

it's not ideal but it's something

[frank flicker]

hmm sure

[echo oyster]

also this looks sick as fuck

[frank flicker]

something something colored lightning

[echo oyster]

this truly is... a colored gooning

[frank flicker]

the corpse at the end is meant to be the bombossa guy btw

[echo oyster]

oh yeah i only watched the video after sending that message lmao

oops

[frank flicker]

wait actually the enemies despawn in ch3 so im probably just doing something wrong

nevermind it uses a different script

[wind prism]

what about using that and then spawning new ones in?

also not ideal but might work

[frank flicker]

maybe but that would mean some enemies will need to be fought again if you defeated them

[outer pond]

||There is no escape from the backrooms...||

I may or may not make an ending though.

[iron valve]

WHAT DID MIKE DO TO DESERVE THIS DAWG

[flat haven]

Does r2modman work on this

[echo oyster]

No

[flat haven]

Ok

[echo oyster]

You get a workshop and level editor

[flat haven]

Ok

[outer pond]

Ooof. Lemme yap about how the backrooms work. Actually I could just say that the backrooms itself just pulls any random person at any time. But there's a small possibility that it chooses someone unfortunate enough to enter? Idk I'm not really that educated on the wiki version, I just went by the og post lol. Anyways I might update it sometime.

[echo oyster]

Isn't it about no clipping outta reality?

That's what that post said

[outer pond]

Yeah

But I've heard some thoeries that the backrooms itself is like alive? or something like that. But I kind of just went by the original post as stated earlier. But idk I thought it'd be a fun little level to make.

I want to eventually add a radio in the level

Yk make it more interesting or something

[iron valve]

i was expecting the "something following you" you mentioned in the description to be a big palooka lol

[echo oyster]

500 machine gun mooks

[outer pond]

You'd be lucky if it were a big palooka

[echo oyster]

Cooking up a collab level with somebody

[compact helm]

I want to do a collab level too

[teal axle]

a collab level sounds fun not gonna lie

[compact helm]

I already have the blueplan for and the base, so its only time of do the rest

[echo oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0tTCUz1sQ

[wind prism]

the fuck did the civilian do bro 😭

[echo oyster]

i don't like him

i fucking hate him infact, he gets no broads, he's ugly, he smells, he has no friends

[halcyon cargo]

blue curse goons

the name ziad makes me think of something like weyland yutani from alien, the idea of some company that has all manners of thugs under its belt

[echo oyster]

well ziad stands for zhigild internal affairs department

with zhigild being an automotive company that owns a large amount of land in umburgh

[halcyon cargo]

are we fighting russian automotive company mafia

[echo oyster]

thebadeed made up a bunch of lore, im just kinda retelling it

[echo oyster]

something like that

[sly steppe]

you guys really need to stop touching his stuff

[sly steppe]

This may be impossible to implement but, is there by any chance there will be some kind of 'Real-time' feature?

Sort of like debugging or something

press some kind of button in AceEd and you can see enemies moving around and even props placed down

[sly steppe]

i really feel like shit

I was busy making a vent, small pipes platforms and adding a secret trigger, small bits of piece but are very time consuming to make

i press save

open up fallen aces to play the map and im stuck in a loading screen

come back to AceEd, load the map and its gone

1 hour of work gone

my plan was to make an outside vent while making it accessable inside

There was infact a red text in the console

and i didnt read it

[tawdry parrot]

Load a backup.

[sly steppe]

done

however i didn't save much, so i had make the vent and small pipes all over again

this is the new one

[echo oyster]

why is that fire alarm so high up, ain't no one gonna be able to pull that

[echo oyster]

this seemed like a cool idea

[halcyon cargo]

he who pulleth the sword from this stone ass

[sly steppe]

i have no clue what that arrow fire sign thingy is called

its definetly a decal but idk what's the id

all i did was search up fire and then clicked on fire alarm

[echo oyster]

That's a texture

[sly steppe]

everytme i run to an issue, i go to the official levels in ace ed and see how its implemented

then i take a screenshot of its properties and put it in this folder

[sly steppe]

has there ever been a custom level that does the Chapter 3 bottle safe combination puzzle

[outer pond]

Kind of. There's one that's similar that has pool balls with each number of the safe code on them in the "Mike's Night Out" level. But other than that, idk.

[outer pond]

Having trouble with a music trigger event in a level.

Like an independant ambience

[echo oyster]

First up, custom music or ingame music

[outer pond]

custom

[echo oyster]

Ah, aight

[outer pond]

Kinda like with the global ambience I did, but the global ambience works but the independant ambience doesn't trigger when I step into the event trigger area.

[echo oyster]

Is it 2d or 3d

[outer pond]

3d

Do I change it to 2d?

[echo oyster]

Do you have a maximum range set

[outer pond]

It would kind of ruin the illusion of the music playing from the speaker

[outer pond]

Yeah

[echo oyster]

Huh

[outer pond]

Both a minimum and maximum

That could be the problem

[echo oyster]

What's the minimum set to?

[outer pond]

Uhh hold on lemme see

[outer pond]

42

Maximum is also set to 42

[echo oyster]

Ok so

Minimum controls how close you can get to the player before the audio fades

Maximum Controls how far away you can get before it fades

[outer pond]

Ah got it.

[echo oyster]

Can you see the issue with setting them to the same number

[outer pond]

Thanks, I'll see if the event triggers though

Doesn't work what?

I walked through the event trigger area but it didn't play the ambience

The audio file size is 15.9MB

Is that too much?

[frank flicker]

is it .ogg, .mp3, or .wav

[outer pond]

Ogg

[frank flicker]

hmm

[outer pond]

It's an independant ambience. I'm trying to replicate the way it plays like how the music in the moth n flame club does, it has no trigger events like it and it's not playing for some reason.

[frank flicker]

what about the path?

maybe something's wrong with the path

[outer pond]

Nah path is fine. It's just the "Ambience" folder and the audio file itself.

I have a global ambience that plays everywhere. and the independant ambience is what supposed to play in one room, but it doesn't.

[echo oyster]

Did you add the file extension to the end of the path?

[outer pond]

When you mean the file extension, you mean the file itself right? Or am I guessing wrong?

[echo oyster]

File extension as in the format

.mp3, .ogg

[outer pond]

Oh yeah .ogg

[echo oyster]

Damn

[outer pond]

Yeah idk what the problem is. I put "Ambience\[filename].ogg" as the path, it doesn't play the ambience though

[echo oyster]

... Where's the / symbol

[outer pond]

What? I thought I typed it in this channel

[echo oyster]

Oh

[outer pond]

Wait is it "/" or "\"

[echo oyster]

Well i have no idea what's going on, how did ya set up the events

[echo oyster]

Second

[outer pond]

I placed down the audio player, I connected the right path to it, then I placed down the event trigger area and gave the event trigger the event number, then I gave the audio player the event number too.

Did I do it wrong?

[echo oyster]

Huh, which field of the event trigger did you put it in

[outer pond]

Elaborate.

[echo oyster]

Event on enter, even on stay, event on exit

[outer pond]

I think it was on event on enter?

[echo oyster]

Crap

The fuck did you even do to make it not work😭

[outer pond]

Idk it just decided to not work.

Also I made the name of the event something like "Play_music" or "Music_trigger". Is that's what's wrong, or am I good on that?

[outer pond]

The length of the audio file is 17:58. Is it that it's too long that could be the issue?

[echo oyster]

18 fucking minutes !?!

I dont know that might be screwing it up

[outer pond]

Maybe

The file size is 15.9MB

[outer pond]

Tbf 15 minute audio files have worked in the game before.

[outer pond]

I replaced the audio file with a shorter one and it still doesn't play.

[outer pond]

What's weird is that I made a new note event but it doesn't read it for some reason? Even though I literally did the exact same thing.

The audio player isn't working and now the note event isn't happening. What am I doing wrong?

[outer pond]

Please someone help me with this. The audio won't play the music.

Even with zero event triggers connected to it, it won't play.

@echo oyster Do you know what the issue is? Because I can't figure it out.

I'm sorry for pinging but I really need help.

[sly steppe]

try switching it to 2D

[outer pond]

Okay I'll try.

Yeah no didn't work.

Neither did the new note I added

[sly steppe]

tf

can you by any chance show me the ambience file

hang on

have you by any chance put that echoingmusic.ogg file in the Fallen Aces\AcesData\Audio\Ambience

For example, I put that TheDaybefore.ogg in the Fallen Aces\AcesData\Audio\Ambience\

then i put it in the Fallen Aces\AcesData\Episodes\Madness Project GoonArena\Audio\Ambience

[outer pond]

Nope. It's in the mod folder, and then the folder with the episodes folder, audio folder and the texture package folder. So It's in the audio folder, then in the Ambience folder

[sly steppe]

maybe copy paste that echoingmusic.ogg to the Fallen Aces\AcesData\Audio\Ambience

hopefully that works

[outer pond]

I'll try.

Unfortunately since the audio is supposed to play after the player reads a note, I can't trigger the event because the note event won't work.

Reason why the note can't be read is very beyond me, I did literally everything the aceEd tutorial video from Trey said, and it isn't working.

[sly steppe]

it is still Early Access

i mean it will get improved later

[outer pond]

So there's only a certain amount of notes I can add?

I've seen more than five or six notes in a workshop level, this is my fourth note

[sly steppe]

i dont think theres a limit to adding notes

the chapters in fallen aces have more notes

[outer pond]

Then why's my fourth note not working?

[sly steppe]

hold on let me check my notes

[outer pond]

I'm doing this right, correct?

[sly steppe]

try the 'use on event'

[outer pond]

I don't have the "Use on event" for my other notes, yet they work just fine.

Did the update just kinda mess that up?

[sly steppe]

remove the .txt in the path

somehow this one note i have still works

while the other isn't

because i forgot to put the show on event

and it was in .txt

[outer pond]

Strange because I have the .txt in the other note paths, yet they work fine.

But I'll try.

Okay so the music works, however the note does not.

[sly steppe]

thats very strange

[outer pond]

Yeah. But I'm determined to actually get this to work. I made the event trigger to complete the level, and it works, but something as simple as a note is not working for some reason.

[sly steppe]

Play on event ---> Event on use

let me try that

[outer pond]

Okay

[sly steppe]

alright so

when i start the level, it doesnt play the music

BUT, when i Press E on the note, it plays the music

[outer pond]

Yeah same, but the note can't be read for some reason

[sly steppe]

well i put MY 11 in both Event on use and Use on event

did you do yours?

[outer pond]

No. Did that allow you to read the note?

[sly steppe]

yes

in theory

[outer pond]

Then I'll try that.

[sly steppe]

also what prop was this about

doesn't look like the notes or note decal property

[outer pond]

It's the note pickup

Like the one the goon dropped

[sly steppe]

oh

[outer pond]

In chapter one I think.

[sly steppe]

its definetly the Use on event

it has to be the reason why its not showing the note

Event on use is probably when you want to note to play music or activate a door or a secret

if not, then this is just confusing to figure out

im more used to using decal notes than note pickups

[outer pond]

Either way I'm trying the best I can. I think I need to have the .txt in order for the note to be read too

Yeah not working

[sly steppe]

wtf

ok im gonna try out my self

pickup note

Note

Audio

they have the same name/tag when you look in events

when i touch the pickup note, the music plays and shows me the note

[outer pond]

Did the same thing as you, didn't show the note.

[sly steppe]

can you show the .txt file?

this is mine

[outer pond]

Yeah sure.

[sly steppe]

you're missing the text = "(Your title of note)";

[outer pond]

Ah okay my bad

[sly steppe]

no no its all good

does your other notes feature the text = "";

[outer pond]

I think so

Wait no they don't

[outer pond]

Still doesn't work

[outer pond]

What am I looking for to make my note work?

[sly steppe]

ok its not for mine as well

even after replacing the These rooms.txt with Goonnote.txt, it just doesn't work

yet decal note still work

i dont know what else i could think of

[outer pond]

I'm using the decal note for the "These rooms" note. But it doesn't work

[sly steppe]

yeah im even more confused

[outer pond]

This is probably a bug.

[sly steppe]

definetly

[outer pond]

Dang that sucks

Well, I suppose I'll have to wait until they fix it.

[fiery tree]

What's the issue?

Just a note not working?

[sly steppe]

@outer pond it turns out i put the These Rooms.txt file in the wrong level

Anyways i copied all the text from my pipe maintence.txt and replace the pipe maintence.txt with yours

since the pipe maintence.txt is working but your txt file wasn't

somehow it worked

but make sure that the txt file is in your level

correct level file

wrong level file

[outer pond]

Is this the right folder?

[sly steppe]

if thats the level your using Ace Ed on and testing on yes

also since its named These rooms.txt

your path should say that

These rooms.txt

[outer pond]

Okay

It's been in there for basically since the start so idk why it isn't working

[outer pond]

Now the note works! Thanks so much!

[sly steppe]

im very thankful it worked

jesus this took too long

[outer pond]

Lol so true. Now I just gotta know how to update the workshop item.

Or is that even possible?

[sly steppe]

if you have ACEmod file saved somewhere then yes

[outer pond]

So that updates my workshop level page?

[sly steppe]

it should

i did that before with my madness goonbat 2

first you load your AceMod file

[outer pond]

Okay I have loaded it

What's the next step?

[sly steppe]

double check your mod directionary and select the file that has only the audio, Episodes and Texture Packages folder

and double check your episodes folder if it has your episode

and that episode should have your custom level folders with a poster and episode info

finish double checking then save your .acemod

then submit

[outer pond]

And if I press submit, it won't create a new workshop page? It'll update the current one, right?

Or do I have to delete the old one?

[sly steppe]

it wont create a new workshop page

it will update the current one

you dont have to delete the old one

[outer pond]

Okay cool

Nice it updated

Thanks once again

[sly steppe]

starting download

[outer pond]

Hope you enjoy it

I'm thinking making a sequel to it, but I probably won't do that for a long while lol

[proud night]

What's the update

[outer pond]

I just added a new small area and a way to complete the level as well as a new note with lore stuff, nothing too special.

[proud night]

Ok

[outer pond]

Updated my map again because of a minor spelling mistake

[frank flicker]

ACED LIFEHACK!!!!:

do you ever try to get posters to look perfectly only to end up with shit like this?

fear no more, use DOORS!!!!

apply your needed texture onto a door and it'll allign PERFECTLY!!!

(just make sure to disable the door, ya mook, we dont want openable posters!)

[stuck hazel]

What if I do want my posters to hide goodies inside?

[frank flicker]

do what you want! its your level!!!

[echo oyster]

Once Z.I.A.D. starts hunting you, the whole world is out to get ya (quite literally in this case)

[echo oyster]

bro will be SHOCKED once he finds out what stretch button does 😭

[frank flicker]

doors still do it better!!!!

[echo oyster]

yea ok buddy

[sly steppe]

looks geometrically complex to implement

[echo oyster]

ehhh, not really

just get a moveable geometry and play around with the numbers till it looks right

[sly steppe]

oh

[echo oyster]

but yeah it's not that hard to get lost in all the tags, events and scripting, so keep it organised damn it!

[tawdry parrot]

Btw rock models will light up if touching the ground. Make sure their hitbox isn't colliding with the ground if you want their lighting to match the sector.

[echo oyster]

oh that's why it does that, thanks

[tawdry parrot]

Also for outdoor areas you can use tree models and the flora model plopper if you want weeds n stuff. Better than having to manually place em.

[echo oyster]

so uhh does the point light fade distance offset actually do anything?

it seems to have completely no effect on the fade distance

[echo oyster]

Zhigild is one of those pre border war things that nobody misses. Mugging civilians sure beats slaving away for 16 hours a day in a smog infested hellhole.
https://youtu.be/XC2468y8Sn8

[echo oyster]

Z.I.A.D.'s design philosophy is pretty much just based on "if it looks cool we can use it"

(made by me, traced from this image)

[echo oyster]

modelling with sectors is fun

[sly steppe]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3572141326&searchtext=

it done

[echo oyster]

god, managed to finish this, what the fuck were you even thinking when making this 😭

you don't need a bajillion of every fucking enemy under the sun to make a fun, challenging, combat level

i managed to complete it after like uhh 3 tries but it still wasn't that.. fun

[severe birch]

Why does he bully

[echo oyster]

can't i say anything negative, jeez

[fiery tree]

you can give negative feedback but you know
in a lighter fashion sometimes

[severe birch]

If you actually care about people posting their maps in here you should be giving constructive feedback

[echo oyster]

.. lighter?

how do i make my fededback uhhh.. lighter

[fiery tree]

like less abrasive

[echo oyster]

huh, i see

ok let me think about this for a second...

aight so, the level does definetly suffer from enemy spam, that should probably lighter

or maybe give players more time to collect thoughts between waves

make use of the enemyneutralised script function, instead of having just a flat timer

just do.. something to make it more managable

but yeah sure the map would probably benefit from giving the player some breathing room

oh and ignore my previous rambling, i got salty, sorry

[sly steppe]

Theres no enemyneutralised script function tutorial or guide

[fiery tree]

You should take a look at how it's done in game - probably the best way to learn it, its not too complex

I assume Lead here means TargetNeutralised

One good example is Chapter 3 - there are multiple scripts that rely on TargetNeutralised as their functionality

for example the palooka spawn trigger checks for the palooka still being alive before setting the music back to normal and completing the "kill palooka" objective

` While(!TargetNeutralised(159))
{
Wait(2);
}

SetNormalMusicTrack(-1);
PlayStinger("Junkyard - Atmos 8");
CompleteObjective("Defeat the Big Palooka", 1);`

the exclamation mark there meaning "While target with tag is NOT dead"

[sly steppe]

i see

[echo oyster]

zhigild got hit with the fucking mexico piss yellow filter 💔

[proud night]

Looks really good

[halcyon cargo]

or the ai piss filter but true

[frank flicker]

air pollution

[echo oyster]

yknow aceEd is really easy to use.. UNTIL IT PULLS SOMETHING LIKE THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT OFF

what the fuck!?

[fiery tree]

Show top down view

2d i mean

[echo oyster]

yeah sure, one second

[fiery tree]

Are you trying to make a set of stair blocks here?

[echo oyster]

yup

a bunch of inverted sectors

so i honestly have no fucking clue where these came from, the set that's on the bottom of the image is acting normally

the one on the top is where the random linedefs show up

i can't see any difference

ok removed the sectors, found the issue

[fiery tree]

Try these

1. have inverted sectors with directly touching linedefs on different layers
2. use the cut tool on linedefs where problematic planes show up a few times. Don't cut the sector itself, just the linedef
3. remake problematic area from 0 if none above work

[echo oyster]

so there's just a bunch of duplicated vertices here, i'll try removing those

[fiery tree]

Gotta be careful with the sector creator tool sometimes, any extra left click could cause these easily

[echo oyster]

yeah, that's how it is

can't mod any game out there without running into some of the most random ass shit ever

[fiery tree]

I think the cut tool solves these sometimes

[proud night]

Can you stretch out sectors to make them bigger in 2d mode?

[echo oyster]

Vertices/drag