OilAlong - Apr - May 2024

[prime cedar]

Oil Paintalong - a paintalong using oil paints (With some acrylics)
Video from Dimitri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFMFJQla6Y
Milan Dufek https://www.youtube.com/@milandufek8151/videos
People could do there own figure and not be restricted to the same as the video.

STANDARD HOUSEKEEPING RULES :

You may prep your mini, this includes, gap fill, assemble, purchase and prime ahead of time. Paint should only be applied during the time-frame of the PAL.

Anyone can join in on the fun. Just share your mini first and paint within the time frame. Request your points in the point request channel by following the pinned post on how to ask for points.

You can't submit the same mini for multiple PALs or other multiple events. And units minis can't be split among the different PALS if they are identical .

Have fun and be nice to each other. Share some wips and some laughs.

@naive ledge @hazy brook @twin kiln

[naive ledge]

I highly recommend picking up some liquin for this

[twin kiln]

In Dimitry video there is good information of what he used at that time. Liquin is also a good tool 🙂 Dimitry also used some things for the oil to tdry faster but that is not really needed it can just take longer time. Remember that some oil colors depending on pigment can take up to a week to dry. Usually not on a miniature since we usually have thinner layers.

I suggest that we can sit in discord and look at the video together one or two weeks before April. We could then just discuss some things together from the video and also share our own knowledge if we have worked with oils before. I have painted some figure in oil but not that many. It is fun and different from acryllics.

[naive ledge]

I found liquin speeds the drying massively- like its rock hard in a day or so

Also helps with the flow

[naive ledge]

What ive found was the biggest eureka moment is- you aren’t layerint like acrylics, forget that whole process. More like place paints adjacent, sketchint, and then blending with a clean brush

[twin kiln]

For the blending, I really can recommend a soft squirel brush that is one of the biggest things for me with oilpaint. It really helps out to get smooth transitions. Ohh and I dont use my kolinsky brushes for oil...that is to ask them to die. Get some good synthetics brushes and Squirel brushes 🙂

[naive ledge]

Also you can just use linseed oil to clean the brushes too, without going to the sansodor every time

[silent abyss]

I'll join in on this come April, I might need @'ing tho

[steel agate]

I'm looking forward to this one and seeing the conversation around it. I started painting almost exclusively in oils because it fits the nature of my painting session. I can't come back to my pallette with acrylics the same way I can with oils after a few hours of "dad come play with me." "Dad come look at this." "Dad why are you ignoring us"....oh woops not that last one 😂

I prefer Wappels style of oils. A pre-glaze and then "dry brushing" overtop. It takes a lot of practice though, even with knowing thick over thin, etc... I still botch layers and have to wipe off and then wait for it to dry.

[naive ledge]

Any pics of what you’ve worked on?

I’m in the same boat, where possible its airbrush acrylics and then oils for the rest now as i suck at glazing and wetblending

[twin kiln]

I have made some smaller figures in oils after >I went to a course with dimitri. I only have a pic of what I did during the course. It is a bust and it wasn't finished, since I also helped out to organize the course with food and other things 🙂 but still it was very interesting to work in oils but haven't really done it afterwards and want too take it up again. But yeas intressting to see what you all have done before in oils if any.

[silent abyss]

I did the skins on these in oils, the fire giant I cleaned up some of the smaller facial highlights w/ acrylic after iirc

[steel agate]

Very cool that you got to take a course. I feel like an in person course on oils could really help eliminate a lot of the learning curve.

[steel agate]

These were single session, wappel style, no acrylic base layer. The chaos lord on karkadrak I went in with a plan and it turned out great, even rhough my osl is inconsistent. The ogor I was flying by the seat of my pants and it ended up messier.

If you search my post history I also just finished a belakor that is oils over acrylics base.

[naive ledge]

The skin here and horns are oil- alla prima, so very quick, just sketched shapes blended with a little soft brush

[twin kiln]

I have started to look through my pile of oppertunities for what I should paint for this paint along. But have a hard time to decide. So many great things just laying and waiting to get started 🙂 might need to see what I think is possible to do in two months time... Anyone that have a thought on which one I should pic?

[naive ledge]

Edit- sorry thought it was hecate but its not, but that mindwork woman is a great one to do still

[steel agate]

lovely!

[hazy brook]

The rogue pirate looks great!

[shell fractal]

Octavius. I am biassed as heck though as he's one of my all time favorite busts. Cormac would be equal but he's not a pick here.

[chilly wraith]

So oil layers are more like separate coats of paint on the same plane?

So you get your shadow, mid tone and highlight placed directly on the dry surface and blend the boarders?

[naive ledge]

Yes thats right

[chilly wraith]

That makes sense.

[naive ledge]

It helps to have an acrylic sketch underneath too as you’ll be working in thin, often quite transparent layers

For example a wip shot, look at the face

[chilly wraith]

Right

I was having opacity issues too

But I realized that painting over straight black primer was probably the issue

[naive ledge]

Yeah most good oils are somewhat transparent as thry dont add white like some acrylic hobby paints

I found the same as you doing dark colours over light acrylics where i was adjusting stuff on nmm

These metals i did in oils but they need work

And this head is all oils- also shown is my acrylic underpainting

[chilly wraith]

Underpainting with different colors is a cool idea

[twin kiln]

the times I have worked with oils, I havent used that transparaent layers. More directly from the tube and then used the brush to distribute the oils over a larger area. I am curious to see how you work with oils and test a bit and see how it differs from how I do it.

[blissful flume]

I have been wanting to try oils, count me in

[chilly wraith]

I am going to try a more extensive underpainting. I really like the cold shadows.

[blissful flume]

I just watched the Dmitri video, wow, blending looks so easy. Lots of mixing though

[naive ledge]

It is easy in many ways. Also quite a skill to knowing when to stop, brush motions etc

[naive ledge]

Time to paint some skin (for golden goji)

[naive ledge]

Oily boyz

[chilly wraith]

Cool model!

[devout jetty]

Working on this.

[devout jetty]

Underpainting and working on skin...

[naive ledge]

Wow that tail is amazing

[devout jetty]

Thanks!!

[devout jetty]

I completely agree with you. That was the one of the reason why I chose oil over acrylics.

So far, I figured that there are many ways to use oil paints.

1. mostly painting with acrylic then oil wash.
2. painting with diluted oil (James Wapple style); similar to the consistency of model acrylics.
3. painting with oil with medium (liquin, linseed oil, etc.)
4. painting with oil straight out of tube.

Higher the number the thicker paint is. For me, thicker paint is always easy to manipulate if you can accept brush mark on your mini. These days, I'm mostly with no. 3 or 4 depending on the surface and effect I want.

[devout jetty]

Almost done.

[devout jetty]

It's done. Photos are in https://discord.com/channels/236042005929656320/1220462958669201488

[twin kiln]

@devout jetty the paint along starts first in April, but for me it is no problems that you will get points for this one 🙂 you are still welcome to paint more figures and post in here if you use oils, but I believe you cant get more specific points for it.

Nice figure thou and like the scales and fins alot

[chilly wraith]

I started too late in the day.

But it's been informative. My red is not very powerful.

[naive ledge]

Where is the red? What red are you using?

Cadmium red is best for a bright red (dont get ‘hue’) or naphthol red/alizarin crimson for dark pinky tones

[chilly wraith]

I started with the Abteilung 502 red primer. @naive ledge I will try the warm red next.

There are a few points of failure, I generally should have underpainted more. The brown shadow layer is also too bright, i should have mixed something darker.

[devout jetty]

Thanks!

[hazy brook]

Can you elaborate as to how different the squirrel brushes are to standard synthetic brushes? Are they stiffer or is it something else?

[twin kiln]

they are much softer, so then you have an edge in the oil you use them to soften the area, much easier to make a transition with them

[twin kiln]

you just lightly brushes over the area you want to blend. other wise i use syntetic brushes on oil paints

[naive ledge]

Not sure whether to do barbarian from mindwork or total war from mindwork for this

[naive ledge]

Thinking this

[twin kiln]

I think that I will change to a bust model, need to practices on a bigger figure,was some time ago.

[hazy brook]

If I buy one while passing by my local store, is there any shape you'd recommend for these brushes (i'll probably only buy one)

[naive ledge]

@rose parcel this one is also starting april first, could go in the announcement to get more people on board!

[twin kiln]

@naive ledge @rose parcel I think that he has omitted it because this is so much cooler paintalong then the Dorkalong 😉 and it would steal all participants. (mental not need to go checkout the Dorkalong and what it is.)

[naive ledge]

I think it’s one where she chooses a model for each participant, cool idea too

[twin kiln]

Yes I have read up on it, very nice one. Dont know if I will get time enough over to participate. But a cool one yes. Daniel do you live in europe?

We should schedule a day and time that most of us in this paintalong could meeet over discord and talk a bit about the paintalong 🙂 when would it work for you all? I am from Sweden in Europe with CET +1 hour time

Most days would work for me and I also time of day is flexible.

[naive ledge]

Yes I’m in the UK so just CET/GMT time for me. I think lots of us in europe

Maybe make a poll- for me day time is best, late morning or afternoon, weekdays

[rose parcel]

Ty!

[rose parcel]

Hehehe It's way too easy to miss one or two

[hazy brook]

It will be difficult for me to participate in that kind of meeting. In general I am available around 11pm/midnight CET+1 on weekdays.

[twin kiln]

we might hae two meetings on diffrent times. I generally have some flexability.

[blissful flume]

@twin kiln @hazy brook some of us are not in Europe, if you do something live would it be possible to record it and post it for the rest of us?

[chilly wraith]

My brain

[hazy brook]

I am not quite sure what we're supposed to discuss. I was gonna just grab a tube of oil paint and spread it on my mini/bread.

[naive ledge]

Well you can spread for us over the call instead

[twin kiln]

I wwas thinking to watch the video togehter and talk about it 🙂 but yes we can also paint 🙂

[chilly wraith]

I think it's much better than my first attempt. Oil paints are so much fun to work with.

[naive ledge]

Nice, are those wax metallics?

[chilly wraith]

No, the only metallic is Abteilung 502 Silver.

And thanks!

[naive ledge]

Quick stop at the art shop for some more paynes grey, viridian green and rose blush for this (and for my duel with Kretcher)

I had the student quality paynes grey but it seemed worth upgrading as it’s still a fairly cheap pigment and i use it in eeeeeeeverything

[silent abyss]

What single pigment oil paints do y'all have overall?

[naive ledge]

Quite a few- cadmium yellow and red, paynes grey, ivory black, titanium white, burnt umber, raw umber, dioxazine purple, naples yellow (not sure it this is single pigment) yellow ochre, iron oxide, viridian green, ultramarine, indigo, indian red

Got most popular pigments there but there are a few i know i’m missing- alizarin crimson and any kind of sienna mainly. Cadmium orange I’m a bit resistant to buy as yellow and red makes a good orange, dont recommend mixing other secondaries though

Especially not purple

[twin kiln]

I usually mix purple, using magenta (Unsure of names in oils paints) and different blue that gives a nice rich purple.

[naive ledge]

So what models are everyone painting?

And what schemes?

[hazy brook]

I still don't know, I am quite intimidated I must admit.

Maybe it's Time to try my first bust...I have a Cormac I got from a secret Santa that is still unpainted

[naive ledge]

Cormac is so cool!

Also dont be intimidated, it’s quite intuitive

[silent abyss]

Something with lots of skin, I have a goblin bust and a little walking hand mini that are on deck

[chilly wraith]

One of these

[steel agate]

I'm definitely doing the rogue bust I just got from banshee.

[silent abyss]

One of the options

[chilly wraith]

That seems cool!

[silent abyss]

Yeah I like it because it's like 90% skin and that's by far what I'm the best at painting w/ oils

Like Ive been working on these, and did the purple in oils, and I feel like they're just fine (I'm not great at harsh blends w scrumbling)

[chilly wraith]

What is scrumbling?

[silent abyss]

https://www.liveabout.com/scumbling-painting-technique-2578777

Blending technique, the very basics of it is lay one color next to/on another, take a shitty brush and blend them together

[chilly wraith]

Seems like a good way to introduce texture and surface variation.

[silent abyss]

yeah, I'm not a pro at it at all (I think @naive ledge prob knows what's up) but it's a nice way to set up interesting blends

[naive ledge]

Yeah so what I’d do there to get the brighter highlights is just paint them on after the scumble has dried a bit and then lightly feather out if needed

Also never heard of scumbling, looks interesting! I think I’d call my technique ‘sketch and blend’ as it’s a sketch of the area in solid colours and then blending the borders together

[stone pilot]

Don't have picture of them just primed but I started painting these two today.

[stone pilot]

And I think that's where i'll leave them for today. First layer :)

[chilly wraith]

I really like the blue one! The maroon to blue shift on the skin is nice

[stone pilot]

Yeah the perylene black mixed in really nicely on that one 😁

[steel agate]

they look great! i call that phase the warm liquid goo phase (reference to austin powers)

[chilly wraith]

So close to being done

[stone pilot]

Nice! Where's that thunder warrior from? Doesn't quite look like one of Garins. But I may be wrong.
Color palette is so good. Almost monochromatic is a cool look.

[twin kiln]

I will be in voice chat around 23.00 CET today and for the people that are interested to join me. Lets also plan a meeting during coming weekend. I Need to check my availability first thou 🙂

[naive ledge]

That’s past my bedtime unfortunately!

[chilly wraith]

Tortuga Bay. They have a small Thunder Warrior line.

[naive ledge]

Time for some skintone mixing. Titanium white, naples yellow, pink blush, ultramarine blue, burnt umber

[chilly wraith]

What are you working on?

[naive ledge]

Finishint this guy off- he’s painted with oils but not in this paintalong

He’s been in my backlog too long though

Good warmup and I thought you guys might be interested in the process

Blended out a little from that sketch

[chilly wraith]

I like it. I think I can grasp how the technique application develops over time.

Conceptualizing the lighting and using the imagined environment to inform the hue of shadows/highlights is the more challenging part to me.

[naive ledge]

Leaving it there, needs a bit more detail and need to do the face properly

[naive ledge]

I find airbrush helps a lot with the lighting and then you can kind of exaggerate from there

[chilly wraith]

What is your workflow with the airbrush? @naive ledge I have been applying a zenithal highlight of black to white, but should I try underpainting via airbrush as well?

[naive ledge]

I prefer colour on there around the midtones. It’s hard to paint over when you have extreme values like black and white, for me

So for skin I’d do a yellowy greeny layer over your initial black/white airbrush

Like this

[chilly wraith]

Ooooooo

[chilly wraith]

How do you decide what the color should be?

I have seen people lean towards pastel values, does the higher quantity of white allow the color to read more as a secondary midtone, skewed towards the most extreme highlights value?

[naive ledge]

I’m not sure i understand, I just filter over the zenithal highlight with whatever hue/tone the mini is and that also helps set the value of the midtones

[chilly wraith]

I follow then! That answers my question

[silent abyss]

I'd be down to talk on voice in like a week and change, I'm just on work travel until April 12

[steel agate]

that looks great. very renaissance

[steel agate]

Quick start, preglaze and getting my mid tones set.

[naive ledge]

Looks cool, interesting process!

[steel agate]

Its a fun, messy, relaxing start. Refinements come easy.

I'm going to let this set for a bit. Done for now!

preglaze: van dyke brown and indigo. next layer is terra rosa:brilliant yellow pale for skins. terra rosa straight for leather. shirt is indian yellow

skin refinement was some brilliant violet, white, a touch of perylene black (green)

just need a red glove and then ill accidentally have one punch man

[chilly wraith]

Hey, one punch man has a hot color scheme going on for him

[rotund acorn]

Nice, joining this.

[steel agate]

I am loving how this is turning out. I made him a little cartoonish-evil and its cracking me up. Also some close ups of the skin. I basically stabbed the brush in a chaotic fashion to remove the brushstrokes from the skin. Calling it stippling would be like calling cutting down a tree widdling.

i think im going to turn this into a competition piece. i can see the story: he is an evil scoundrel, setting up illegal toll stops on empty roads and intimidating the locals into paying so that they can cross the street

[chilly wraith]

I read that as "setting up illegal toy shops"

[steel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/villain-chillin-like-a-villain-smile-gif-12338657

he is evil enough, he could do that too.

[naive ledge]

Very cool! Is that the scale75 series?

[steel agate]

the bust? i actually have no idea where the bust is from. i got it in a class from alfonso giraldes, and ive been googling the hell out of it trying to find some reference pictures and nothing has come up. i thought it was called the scoundrel, but that turns up nothing. i even did a reverse image search using a pic from @cyan bronze and still nothing came up. maybe its out of print scale 75? its not on their website

[naive ledge]

Yeah it’s this dude from scale75 kickstarter

[chilly wraith]

That helmet is dope

It is kind of reminiscent of Monty Python and the quest for the holy grail

With the French bit

[steel agate]

oh crap thats a vest and a shirt under the vest! see, thats why i wanted a reference before i got started, lol. thanks daniel

[naive ledge]

Search s75 historix kickstarter and they have 360 videos too i think

https://scale75.com/descargas/KS/HISTORIX_MiddleAge.pdf

Here are more

Cool models but i think they wont come to general sale

[steel agate]

also now that i see the amazing boxart, i hate my paintjob 😦

[chilly wraith]

It seems like a reasonable interpretation from my perspective

[twin kiln]

I will be doing this figure, have changed to get some feeling for a bit bigger bust. Was very long time since i painted anything in a serious way 🙂

[naive ledge]

Cant wait for monday to start painting mine

[stone pilot]

Got another layer in :)

[steel agate]

nice! are you waiting for each layer to dry or just set a little?

[steel agate]

pre-wipe down?

[stone pilot]

Waiting a day, but they've been fully drying in that time so far.

[chilly wraith]

Post wipe down

[steel agate]

do you have a metallic oil paint? i use the gamblin silver and its like no other paint ive ever used. super matte and super bright. id take some of that and very gently "dry brush" some highlights back on the edges

you lost a lot of color with your wash

[chilly wraith]

Yeah! I have Abteilung 502 metallics. The silver is solid, but the copper and gold are a bit iffy.

[steel agate]

i think you should do that. are the 502s more high flow though? you might want to put some out on a piece of paper and let it soak up the extra liquid first before applying tothe model

[chilly wraith]

They dry faster than other oils and generally have less linseed oil from what I can tell.

The dry time is like 12-15 hours before dry to the touch

or completely dry? It's unclear, post 15 hours the surface for sure does not reactivate to mineral spirits

[naive ledge]

I hadn’t really noticed that my abteilungs dry faster. Quality wise they are closer to student quality than artist quality, I think their main ‘selling point’ is a wide range of premixed shades that match what mini painters are after (who are generally not used to blending)

They are also a lot more opaque, likely due to blending in pigments for better coverage

[vagrant igloo]

I'll join in with this dude

[chilly wraith]

From what I can tell, some of the effects paints have particles of some kind in them and/or dry gloss. Though, the only labeling describing them as effects paints is on the paint set box.

[naive ledge]

Light sketch airbrushed on in acrylic. All the rest will be done in oils

Expecting to use brown oxide, cadmium red and yellow for the hair. Armour will be a lot of paynes grey, burnt umber, naples yellow and white I think, maybe with some red secondary reflections

Not sure on the cloth colour yet

[steel agate]

Looking forward to it!

I made some improvement in shadow and skin tone after seeing the box art.

[naive ledge]

Big improvement!

[stone pilot]

He's definitely looking healthier

And the shirt being separate is a good move.

[twin kiln]

I am trying too folllow how dimitri was doing things. I ahve started with a base layer of acylics. /Dont htink that is needed, but now it is kind of done.) seen that I was sloopy in someplaces. My eyesight is defenetly worse nowdays 🙂

[twin kiln]

This one will nice too see and understand how you paint it with oils.

[stone pilot]

With you there on the eyesight.

[steel agate]

I feel like a picture is so much less forgiving than the eyes most times too. Have fun with the first oil layer!

[stone pilot]

Fuck yeah

Getting that grimdark mood so well :)

I hope that metal sheet he's standing on ends up rusty as can be 😁

Rust's a great place to try a little impasto for texture.

[chilly wraith]

Thanks a lot! You are absolutely right about the texture, I'm excited for the weathering step.

I'm thinking about incorporating acid rain style streaking

[stone pilot]

Oh yeah you can just put a little thinner down over a pre glazed area and it'll create cool effects like that. Easier with terrain than minis though.

The streaking affect on the altar is done that way. As well as the golden trees on the building in the back.

[naive ledge]

A layer of transparent brown oxide mixed 70/20/10 with linseed oil and spirits for flow

Once this is dried a bit I’ll layer it up to a coppery orange

[vagrant igloo]

Looking great, what oil brand are you using? ^_^

[naive ledge]

Winsor and Newton Artist range for that colour. Most of what I use is this but with a few Winton colours (their student range) and I have some abteilung from years back

[regal lichen]

I only have their student range tho, cause I wasn't planning to buy proper oils until I know what I'm doing

hope is not that bad

[vagrant igloo]

Dope, I'm getting a mix here soon but have mostly W&N artist atm, getting a few old holland and schmecke also ^_^

[vagrant igloo]

Will be interesting to see how they behave ^_^

[regal lichen]

I've been using them sparely across different minis and so far its ok but I have no comparison

[vagrant igloo]

Hahah yeah I guess that would make it hard to tell 😛

[naive ledge]

Yeah the difference seems to be in pigment density and texture. A bit hard to describe. The artist ones also thin down more nicely without becoming ‘unbound’ and grainy

Also some colours only come in artist form, and the student one has the ‘hue’ verson

[regal lichen]

Made this base with oils (first try)

[naive ledge]

Looking good

[vagrant igloo]

Looks very solid

[regal lichen]

And those I applied some oils too that took forever to be dry to the touch

[vagrant igloo]

Oh, yeah I loved these once 😄

[regal lichen]

I did some purple, brown and verdigris washes

[naive ledge]

Those skeletons are beautiful

[regal lichen]

thanks! I got some liquin to see if it helps with the drying time

that dragon base probably took ages to dry too I just didn't kept checking, but bc I needed to highlight the skeletons with acrylics I could tell how long it was taking (more than a week to feel safe even with varnish)

[naive ledge]

Liquin really really speeds it up

Like almost too fast for me

It does add a glossiness too which you may not always want in miniature painting

This can be countered a bit with more spirits too I think, spirits seen to matt the paint more. Just straight up oils are a nice satin finish. I like their natrual finish for skin, leather etc

[stone pilot]

I add a little cold wax too any medium I use now to help matte them.

[chilly wraith]

@stone pilot @stone pilot that is a good looking effect.

What is cold wax?

[stone pilot]

It's an oil medium. Comes in a little tin and makes your paint more stiff if used alone. But a little mixed into odorless spirits or neo-meglip have had a nice matting effect for me.

Still messing with ratios but as always with oils a little goes a really long way in our hobby.

[chilly wraith]

The paint additives make me feel like a wizard or something.

[stone pilot]

Yeah they got good names in oil painting

You can melt crystals to make em yourself too it's totally wizard shit.

[chilly wraith]

One part linseed oil, two parts white spirit, three parts dragon wax, cold

Hit it with yee old blow torch to flash off the white spirit and carbonize the dragon wax.

[stone pilot]

Dangerous magic, every single oil medium making article I read stresses so hard not to let it get too hot 😂
But this is obviously just instructions for casting color spray.

[chilly wraith]

OH YEAH. IT ALL CAN SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST

But the context is always an "oil soaked rag" with spirits and/or other additives. I imagine the paint itself is fairly stable.

Never mind. It is the paint that generates heat as it dries.

But is the exothermic reaction at our scale still problematic?

[stone pilot]

Not on the miniatures no, and we probably aren't using enough of the actual paint to soak a rag.

[chilly wraith]

Lmao, "casting color spray" 🤣

[naive ledge]

It’s the linseed oil, and itms mostly an issue for clothes with a lot of oil on them rather than the paint itseld

Itself

starting to add a little cadmium yellow but think it’s too yellow so gonna do an orange mix instead

[regal lichen]

I liked

gives a nice contrast

unless you want it to read ginger

[naive ledge]

Yeah going for ginger

[naive ledge]

Added a bit more colour to push towards ginger

The shine makes it hard to gauge

[regal lichen]

it doesn't read ginger to me yet, more like dark blond

[naive ledge]

More red, do you reckon?

[regal lichen]

yeah more red/orange on highlights

and the darker areas is more like a redish brown

[naive ledge]

You reckon the shadows aren’t red enough?

[regal lichen]

right now it's a bit hard for me to tell

maybe after the highlights are orange/red it will be easier

[naive ledge]

Thanks!

[twin kiln]

Yeah more red, but you could keep some of the draker browns in some areas. As it is it is more of a brown tint in the darker areas i think. and more red in midtones i would say.? just test and show us 🙂

[vagrant igloo]

What are the downfalls of not blocking in colors in acrylics before? Are there colors that are more important to block in than others? 😄

Also what gradient do you guys think would look better for a muchroom? ^_^

The blue to red got a bit messed up but blue, magenta and then red if you get my drift ^_^

[chilly wraith]

I found that blocking in color for the finer details and brighter colors is probably necessary.

Especially if you are applying an oil wash and wiping the excess off.

[vagrant igloo]

Even after a zenithal? Just so I understand what is the effect that you miss out by not blocking it in? ^_^

[chilly wraith]

Generally, oil paints are not very opaque, so if the undertone is not the same hue as the paint being applied, it can be time consuming to reapply oil layers to increase the opacity.

I have also found that it to be easier dealing with finer details, since it can be difficult to fix paint application errors on a wet oil surface.

[vagrant igloo]

Alright, interesting I would have assumed they would cover fine over white but I have never ever applied oils straight on so you learn something new everyday I guess 😄

[chilly wraith]

Some of the abteilung 502 colors have good coverage over white, but depending on the pigment used the coverage can get spotty. Supposedly artist colors have more of an issue with opacity.

[regal lichen]

You could mix to get more opacity no?

You lose in saturation probably but gain opacity by mixing with white or something like that

[vagrant igloo]

I mean that would depend on their opacity I would guess, opaque colors should be opaque or?

Sounds like I should try both a bit ^_^

[chilly wraith]

For the abteilung stuff, they are more like traditional miniature paints as they are multi pigment. Some of the range still has opacity issues.

I personally found it easier to under paint before applying the first oil layer, but your mileage may vary.

[chilly wraith]

Is lavender spike oil too powerful of a solvent for miniatures?

[naive ledge]

Never heard of it!

[naive ledge]

Those both look a bit intense for mushrooms!

[vagrant igloo]

This is the inspiration, I think it looks very dope ^_^

[naive ledge]

Oh yeah that does look quite cool with the more natural colours on the underside.

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah, the contrast helps it a lot for sure

[naive ledge]

Added viridian green for the cloth

[twin kiln]

Vridian that is a transparent color or? It is on my too buy list 🙂

Will be very nice with a green color there

looked it up it is semi-opaque (atleast for old holland)

[naive ledge]

It’s a gorgeous colour and yes it’s very transparent which i love

Oh interesting for W&N its transparent

[chilly wraith]

https://youtu.be/f7YYeSYMu1w?si=VYQ5SqIDVcWL2j1E

It's an all natural solvent and alternative to turpentine/white spirits.

But apparently it can dissolve the resin in varnishes? Which makes me think there might be an issue with resin minatures.

[stone pilot]

Very transparent IME, also pretty weak. I haven't managed to like it yet 😂 Daniel seems to know how to use it though I'm curious to see how that's gonna go.

[naive ledge]

I prefer transparent colours. More flexibility. Better for glazing too.

[stone pilot]

Yeah the messy way I paint though weak colors are kinda difficult to get to establish themselves.

Weak isn't inherent to Transparency I guess I should clarify.

I'd have a hard time calling a PThalo paint weak 😁

[naive ledge]

Was it viridian or viridian hue you were using?

[stone pilot]

Viridian, but when I did double check it was a Winton so that may be part of my issues.

It has worked alright in washes though which is what winton are really good for anyways.

But I may have a better tube of it somewhere in the tub. I'll see about that next time I go delving for new paints to try.

[stone pilot]

This stuff eats stynlerez is what I managed to find. So might be too strong.

[naive ledge]

Yeah i think the winton is only a hue for viridian, they dont have a true viridian for winton

Cheaper but muuuuch weaker

[stone pilot]

It's only 1 pigment listed.

[vagrant igloo]

W&N use the same pigment as Old Holland so sounds weird they should have different opacity but I learn something new about oils everyday nowadays x)

About the same price also

Or is Winton it's own thing? I though you guys where clever and shortened winsor and newton x)

[stone pilot]

It's the student line for W&N

[naive ledge]

If you search winton viridian i can only see tubes that say hue

( also for that price you know it cant be actual viridian)

[stone pilot]

https://www.winsornewton.com/na/paint/oil/winton-oil/?attribute_pa_wn_colour_name=viridian&attribute_pa_wn_colour_size=37ml&sku=094376711684

That's the one I have it looks like

[naive ledge]

Oh interesting i wonder if that is a US only one

On the UK version of the site that doesnt even appear

[stone pilot]

I had to look it up. Most of my oils are second hand so may well also be that they used to sell it, but no longer do.

[regal lichen]

I'll check mine

[naive ledge]

Hard to see cos it’s so goddamn glossy but started to highlight and shade with titanium white and ivory black

The green that is

Reaaaally wanna do the metal but need the rest first to see what will be reflected where

[steel agate]

steady as she goes. the shine never helps pictures with oils!

[naive ledge]

Cheeky panel lining and some leather

Not sure why but discord tries to send all my messages twice

[vagrant igloo]

Got my oils today and made a zenthal so later today/tomorrow I'll get to experimenting

[naive ledge]

One breast

[regal lichen]

so you just failed #1225492558923174051 ?

[chilly wraith]

😦

[vagrant igloo]

Bought them 3 days ago 😄

[regal lichen]

convenient

[naive ledge]

https://imgflip.com/i/8mb58j

[vagrant igloo]

I got proof!

[vagrant igloo]

Truuuuue

Invoice marked yday but still

[stone pilot]

Interesting choices

Indian Yellow is a core color though IMO so you got that.

[vagrant igloo]

How long can you realistically keep your oils on the panel before they start to change behavior? I know it's prolly a week or so but just wanna make sure

[vagrant igloo]

Did not mean to get 120ml of it xD

[stone pilot]

If you put them in a freezer forever

If you can close the box they're in or something probably about 2 weeks on average, but some colors just dry crazy fast.

Green gold is great, it's also a little wasteful 😂

[vagrant igloo]

Alright that makes sense

The set contained these once also, white and black I have plenty of but was buying cad red and prussian blue anyways so was basically the other colors for free 😛

[stone pilot]

I'm curious is that Madder Red PR 101?

[vagrant igloo]

PR207 and 264

[stone pilot]

Ah ok! Thanks I thought it might be burnt sienna hiding in another tubes skin again.

Terra Rosa and Transparent Red Earth being the others I know 😂

Don't think I've used the chrome green. Curious how that works for you :)

[vagrant igloo]

Cad lemon being cad yellow light got my head spinnin 😛

Yeah I have to get to playing with them all a bit

This is also a fun one

[naive ledge]

I could use indian yellow- cad yellow is intense

I like naples yellow too though, use that ofteb

Often

[vagrant igloo]

I have about 100ml you can get x)

[naive ledge]

Start painting backdrops for your minis

It’ll still last you years though

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah I think I could paint a canvas with it in multiple layers

Need to find a Diarylide Yellow as that is my robe color for my gitz

Ah lol is that napels

Noo

jk

[naive ledge]

I think they do still oxidise in a freezer, just more slowly. You can store them in water though for maximum life

Just submerge your palette in water

It sounds insane but it is a fairly common thing for painters to do

[vagrant igloo]

That does indeed sounds insane

[naive ledge]

When you see how much paint people put on palettes though it makes sense to preserve them

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah, I think I'll just reset my palette, is it somewhat easy to remove dry oil paint?

[naive ledge]

Ive learned to wipe down at the end of the day

same day- easy wipe

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah alright

[naive ledge]

One day- bit of spirit and scrubbing

A few days- scraping with a knife

I’m doing it on an acrylic palette though so a glass one would be easier

[vagrant igloo]

Alright, yeah makes sense, trial and error I guess 😄

[naive ledge]

Yeah you may have a different experience!

You know I think I’m starting to understand why i enjoy painting with oils. It’s flow- not paint flow, but ‘flow’ describing that feeling of being ‘in the zone’, like getting lost in playing a game or something. With acrylics it feels a lot more methodical, gotta do this colour then that, lots of patient glazing… but painting with oils you can just keep adding and improvising and see instant results.

[stone pilot]

I like that I don't have to rush, helps me be in that flow.

[vagrant igloo]

Yeah so far I already feel I think more with color then with acrylics and I have not even touched a non diluted oil on a mini yet

But I'm a little scared about how hard the small goblin faces are going to be

Also need to learn to mix like tan colors and I feel that might be challange for me

In my mind it's white brown and yellow but dunno

[naive ledge]

Yeah for the small faces you probably need to switch the technique as painting directly into shadows will be harder

I’d paint your shadow tone, wipe off, then paint the highlights

Blend it a bit- then repeat the highlights

[vagrant igloo]

Alright, so just like baselayer of shadow

[naive ledge]

Yeah, then a nice pointy makeup sponge to wipe off so you can highlight easily

I dont like q tips/earbuds as they leave too much fluff

[vagrant igloo]

Dope dope, I have some of those

Might be manageable, I have very low expectations of this first one but I hope it's fun ^_^

[regal lichen]

Idk if it will work but it’s primed and ready

[vagrant igloo]

Ohhh I like that pose a lot!

[naive ledge]

That beard is luscious

[chilly wraith]

Oooo, so glass palettes should be good for scraping with a knife?

[chilly wraith]

I have been trying the mr. Hobby q tips. They don't have any fluff, downside being they are super hard

[naive ledge]

I think a glass palette would be better all round yeah, less porous than plastic, so easier to clean

[stone pilot]

I just use wax paper glued to cardboard and replace as needed.

I feel more confident painting out of my dvd case than the nice big palette I have 😂

[naive ledge]

That’s a good disposable method

One good thing about clear. Plastic/glass though is you can choose whatever colour you want underneath it

Like have it over a white sheet of paper and easily see what colours you have made

[stone pilot]

Certainly an advantage if you do a lot of mixing on the palette instead of the model.

[naive ledge]

Yeah, good for flesh tones

Where you are usually mixing a red, yellow, blue and more

[chilly wraith]

DVD cases. Genius.

[silent abyss]

This is also what I do

[vagrant igloo]

Found your IG @naive ledge 😁

[regal lichen]

stalker alert

https://tenor.com/view/weird-creeping-looking-window-quagmire-gif-17384876

[vagrant igloo]

Hahah yeah a little maybe x)

[naive ledge]

Before and after blend on torso

I hope you like

[regal lichen]

neat!

[vagrant igloo]

Very nice

I have worked a bit on mine now, it's really tricky but very fun

[naive ledge]

Followed him back but there are only pictures of a happy family, no painted models at all! Really strange.

[vagrant igloo]

I acctually opened a mini painting IG with one picture of a mini x)

[vagrant igloo]

Messy af but blocked in a bit of color and stuff

[regal lichen]

Lol tbh I also don’t post pictures of minis on mine, just stories 😅

[vagrant igloo]

More blocking in and a bit of other shit ^_^

[vagrant igloo]

@naive ledge please let me know if I do something obviously wrong, it's my first time with oils and you seem to know your shit 😁

[regal lichen]

Yeah I just checked my little oil tubes from winton and most are “hue”

[naive ledge]

Hue Jass

[regal lichen]

I’m thinking if I should have made the back of the mini also more white cause now is super dark

If I need to strip the paint what can be used? 😅

Once dried ofc

[naive ledge]

Spirits, but it will take a bit of scrubbing if its actually dry

[naive ledge]

Did the arm bit but needs some neatening up

[naive ledge]

Hope it reads as fire and not rust!

[silent abyss]

It reads as an environmental reflection to me, maybe not fire though

[chilly wraith]

Nanbanzuke made a point about drawing a straight line from the source

The more I thought about it, the more it makes sense.

[chilly wraith]

I don't think the red reflection on the left breastplate and the red reflection by the bolt can be caused by the same.light source.

[naive ledge]

Left breastplate should be yellow- at least it’s painted with yellow ochre and naples yellow- and it’s a reflection of the sword pommel which will be gold 🙂

[chilly wraith]

let me draw

pulling out paint

[naive ledge]

Ohh i see her actual boob- yeah that’s just some earthy colour i put in for interest before deciding to add some fire reflections

[chilly wraith]

I was not sure if the redish browns here were the same reflection as the fire

Also, the quest continues!

[naive ledge]

Ahh boob is just for colour depth in shadow to keep it interesting on all sides, the armpit is reflecting from the leather strap

[chilly wraith]

Ohhh that makes sense!

[stone pilot]

I am curious to see if this works. Good luck!

[naive ledge]

Thanks for keeping me honest and grounded in physics though 😄

[naive ledge]

Bet that smells better

[chilly wraith]

Well I was wrong haha! But I try, so thanks!

Yeah I am trying to parse the SDS

[steel agate]

I've been working on refining these layers for this gift for my friend. I've worked with liquin before but not this extensively, I'm loving it.

The other bust I was working on for the oil along is shelved until the plinth arrives.

[chilly wraith]

I really like it!

[steel agate]

thank you! i keep waffling with the idea of maybe getting it ready for a competition, but i think id have to completely redo the base, which i dont really care to do

[naive ledge]

Looking really good! Especially when it dries

[chilly wraith]

Yeah I get that. I think imperfections as we iterate between pieces is part of the process.

sometimes its better to be like "Ok this I like where this is at"

[twin kiln]

Damn it is difficult to do this, not used to oils 🙂 my finger and way of holding the figure dont work since the color dont dry. I now have colors in areas I dont want it in. But have done a first layer on skin and the red areas.

I do get waht i think is small blobs of pigments that are visiable in the skin are. I am not sure that is what I see but I belieeve so. I might need to mix the colors beter on the palette before applying it. but not sure. If you open up and soom you will see them. I will say that I intentionally have put them there for extra skin textures 🙂

I cant see them with my eye thou so just a photo issue

[steel agate]

nice skin tones @twin kiln.

[chilly wraith]

Found some good non solvent based mediums/thinners

This stuff is great. It is more viscous than spirits, but thins as well. There is also a brush cleaning fluid that is also solid from Gamblin.

It doesn't offgass at all.

[regal lichen]

Yeah I just discovered I don’t have liquin I have linseed oil

[naive ledge]

Did a bit more today

I know my fire breaks physical laws haha

But it looked cooler this way

[chilly wraith]

It's hot!

[regal lichen]

Who’s going to say how many light sources you have anyways

[rich gull]

If you don’t mind me asking, what did you do to get that mushroom stem color?

[vagrant igloo]

Oh that is not my paint job, but it's really just a warm brown to a tan color ^_^

[rich gull]

Thanks, I appreciate the response, I don’t know why, but I have been struggling to figure out what colors to use for this since I started painting

[vagrant igloo]

I usually go a bit lazy and just go with a tan color but if it's a larger stem I use a warm brown and tan ^_^

[naive ledge]

What are you painting?

[rich gull]

I’m trying to make a gloomspite gitz army with mushroom colored cloaks, with the hood being the cap and the cloak being the stem, and the color for the bottom has been killing me

[naive ledge]

How about classic white to red like an amanita?

[rich gull]

I think I’ll try that, thanks

[naive ledge]

Still on the glow train

[vagrant igloo]

I love that you are putting this much detail into something that is not even visible from the front 😍

[naive ledge]

Something doesn’t feel right with the light on her back armour

What do you reckon?

[vagrant igloo]

Someone more knowledgeable then me might have pointers but I think it looks great

[regal lichen]

it's a bit rough and I don't know much of OSL but if I imagined a candle lit behind her this is what I would expect to happen to the armor

it's the yellow next to orange that its bothering imo

[naive ledge]

Thanks tiff, so tone down the yellow? Do you think the light on the ‘far’ side of it should also be glowing instead of having the cold reflections?

[regal lichen]

Idk what you mean by far side and cold reflections, it’s the hard shadow transition? I would go what I did on photoshop 😅

[naive ledge]

Any better @regal lichen ?

[regal lichen]

Where you have yellow on the bottom left I would have orange/reds

In theory should be yellow just closer to the source and it depends on what the source is

[naive ledge]

Thanks

[regal lichen]

So I don’t know if it was clear? But if the part on her back is at the same distance of the source they should match cause they are close to each other in the body

So I would say the source is closer to her elbow than the bottom parts if those parts in the bottom are more orange/red bc the elbow has some yellow on it

And the secondary bounce light with the yellow in the bottom also looks weird

Im no expert just going with gut feelings of observing art over years 😅

[chilly wraith]

Couldn't we solve this by simulating the light up against the model and then taking a picture?

Like a candle could be the flame for reference

[naive ledge]

Its fine i just wiped it all off

Doing the gold now as. Change of pace

[chilly wraith]

For what it is worth, I think the effect is being communicated well

I finished the homeboy a few days ago

There is plenty of room for improvement but I think this is a reasonable stopping point

[twin kiln]

@naive ledge Like the colors you have used for the gold, not to bright and harmonizes well with the green and other parts of the figure.

Hmm bright perhaps Saturation is the right word... damn English 🙂

[naive ledge]

Gold bits 99% done

Yellow ochre, burnt umber, cadmium yellow, white, indigo

[steel agate]

I can't do gold without Indian yellow. I love the hue it gives.

[naive ledge]

I think that is one for me to get- ochre + cadmium gave me an ok hue this time thoigh

[steel agate]

I think it looks very good.

[naive ledge]

I always bounce between ‘two desaturated!’ And ‘holy shit that’s yellow’

[naive ledge]

🥰

[stone pilot]

Ah I was liking the red glow, but I do love how easy oils are to just change your mind on 😂

[naive ledge]

Values on this feel way better to me though

[stone pilot]

Oh for sure I just thought the flame effect had some lovely colors 😁

[chilly wraith]

I like it

But the yellow was cool too!

[stone pilot]

Finished up my trolls :)

[naive ledge]

Love the bases

[stone pilot]

Trollin the Ambrosial river 😁

[chilly wraith]

I like it!

[naive ledge]

Royal scumble

[steel agate]

Evry day im scumblin

[steel agate]

We are back in business. Going to polish up the sword then I'm just about done methinks.

[naive ledge]

Looks great @steel agate great job on the leather belt and buckle

[steel agate]

Thank you daniel

[worn nacelle]

I've wanted to paint this for awhile and decided on oils for it. Figured it'll help with the blending on large parts.

[naive ledge]

Looks absolutely perfect for oils

And jeez that is a big lad

[worn nacelle]

Yeah he beeg

[twin kiln]

that is not a small miniature 🙂

[naive ledge]

Could look incredible when done

Especially with a super reflective armour

Hard to photograph though!

[naive ledge]

Sword before blending

[naive ledge]

After but i think it needs to be brighter

[lunar stirrup]

Is it too late to join? 🙂 I have a lil skelly that I started playing at a couple days ago

[silent abyss]

Not too late to join, but I think you have to join w a base model with primer(+zenithal )at most on it

[lunar stirrup]

Dumb question, but how to join? I'll be starting next model in a day or two, so no reason not to 🙂

[twin kiln]

just post the figure you want to join with and start painting 🙂

[lunar stirrup]

Is the end may 1st or 31st?

[twin kiln]

31 st

[lunar stirrup]

Glory be!

[lunar stirrup]

If I had been paying attention I would have used this guy for the oil along, but this gives me an excuse to push paint around on a bust. Yippee!

[steel agate]

I agree. Some brightness would definitely make it more distinct from the armor.

I did some sword blending myself. Going to add some damage to make it look more ruddy. Happy with where it is at this point. I also want to add this sign to add to my story.

[steel agate]

Very cool piece!

[lunar stirrup]

Thank you! It's not the best, but I'm having fun and learning things, bout as good as life gets 🙂

And ditto,that bust man. Delicious!

[twin kiln]

BTW an update is that it is very hard to change old habbits... I again was holding the bust that I am painting the way I do when using acryllics. the result is that my freehand patterns are now smudged and I need to restart them 🙂

Eventually if I use oils more often I hopefully will learn.

[naive ledge]

Starting the face

[naive ledge]

Is the colour ok?

[regal lichen]

Well she lacks blood underneath the skin as she’s looking quite pale

Unless she’s a vampire then it’s alright

[naive ledge]

Thanks! I’ll get more red in then

[naive ledge]

Any healthier?

[silent abyss]

Still reads as grey pale to me, but not dead

[regal lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-pam-beesly-theyre-the-same-picture-the-same-picture-they-are-the-same-picture-gif-20830121

[naive ledge]

Second one has more indian red!

Now we are getting into the too red territory surely

[silent abyss]

Lemme find the skin mixing guide I normally use

https://www.zenartsupplies.co/blogs/toolkit/oil-colour-mixing-figurative-portrait-painting-and-skin-tones

You're aiming for like a European pale right?

[silent abyss]

Specifically theres a good pallet mix pic a good bit down

[naive ledge]

That’s a good one. I usually have ultramarine for shadows too

[silent abyss]

Yeah I like using dioxazine for some of my shadows

[twin kiln]

I will be online tomorrow evening around 23 CET time. If anyone else have time then it would be nice just to talk a bit around what we are painting and oils for miniatures in general.

[naive ledge]

Finally did another layer on the skin

How is the skintone looking?

Touch of eyeshadow on there too

[vagrant igloo]

Looks very very good in my eyes

[twin kiln]

Fantastic, really nicely done skin

[naive ledge]

Thanks, i want to get more of a cast shadow from the nose now

[regal lichen]

Stunning

[stone pilot]

Brave enough to do a beauty mark?

Looking great though :)

[naive ledge]

Thinking of doing a tear running down

She looks pretty sad

[stone pilot]

Oh that'd be pretty cool yeah

[twin kiln]

go for a tear will add alot of character

[naive ledge]

Quite tricky! Basically need a darker flesh tone i think in a streak

With a tiny little white bit for the reflection/specular

[hazy brook]

I love this skintone, it's great.

[naive ledge]

Did the tear streak now to be less dark and makeupy

[vagrant igloo]

This is really something, crazy good job 😁

[silent abyss]

Wildly good

I still need to start on my oil mini, April was busy 😭

[naive ledge]

I need to finish this to start my duel with @twin kiln

[twin kiln]

I will do some on the figure for the duel this weekend, will skip the oil one dont have time to finish it, also going away two weeks in june 🙂

[lunar stirrup]

Finally got started on a lil mimic mini!

[blissful flume]

I am going to try oils on this bust

[naive ledge]

Look forward to seeing it!

[stone pilot]

Oh i've done that one I think. Good fun to paint :D

Tytantrolls busts are perfect palette cleansers I think. I need to print a bunch next time i'm back into 3d printing.

[lunar stirrup]

Potato picture, but good progress on lil mimic

[lunar stirrup]

Hobby ADHD today. Started this guy. Was going to work up to grey, but now I'm leaning towards it mostly as the pre glaze. Any thoughts on how I could make this better would be super appreciated!

[hazy brook]

You could try to darken the deepest shadows with some precise shadings (Brown, green or black) then mark a few edges highlights

[lunar stirrup]

Thankyouuu!

[blissful flume]

First attempt at oils, just playing around with mixing

[vagrant igloo]

Some oils on a new project I'm starting

[naive ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-figured-it-out-elisabeth-moss-cecilia-kass-the-invisible-man-got-it-all-figured-out-gif-16840527

[vagrant igloo]

I would not go that far, a broken clock is right twice per day etc etc 🤣

[naive ledge]

Yeah but you’ve taught the clock to fish

[vagrant igloo]

Very true! And now my clock does not need to go to the grocery store anymore

[regal lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-face-confused-look-im-confused-im-so-confused-gif-16067865999736184254

[hazy brook]

I decided to paint him with oils( maybe not only oils though)

[vagrant igloo]

That is so cute 😄

[hazy brook]

Let's hope he remains so...I am really not confident with this one

[hazy brook]

I tried to work from a light coat of acrylic (the higher value of each color) and simply try to blend in the shadows

I seem to get quite some visible brush strokes when blending, as if my brush was not soft enough, or maybe it is the low quality oil paint?

I did only 'skin' and pink so far

[naive ledge]

Could be brush not soft enough, could also be the paint opacity? Sometimes it helps to let the paint dry a little bit before trying to blend, if it is too wet and especially with spirits, you can end up revealing what is underneath when blending

For something very smooth like that I recommend looking at Zabaart and Jan Soukup who paint all in oils with similar style models

Like very rounded organic shapes

[vagrant igloo]

@naive ledge How is yours coming along? Been so fun to follow the progress of it!

[naive ledge]

Been travelling for work since wednesday and cant paint on the weekends- no very little progress really. Basically i just want to finish the hair and leather and she’s done

[vagrant igloo]

Oh I did not realize how finished she was, feels like I've mostly seen zoomed in pics lately. Amazing work man 😍

[naive ledge]

Thanks!

Not really happy with the hands either but not sure how to fix

Certainly a learning curve doing 100% oils

[twin kiln]

I am sadly totally stuck with so much work at the moment there is hardly any time. Will finish my project to late but after duel with daniel. it is impossible to try two project at the same time right now. But defenetly want too do more work with oils in the future

[naive ledge]

What was your project?

[twin kiln]

This is my project

where i messed up the freehand by holding it like it was painted with akryllics 🙂

[naive ledge]

Ah yeah that has happened to me a few times!

I want a plinth holder with a finger rest

[vagrant igloo]

I would settle to find a good system to hold my plinth/busts x)

Current system is a recipe for disaster 😂

[naive ledge]

That makes me nervous. I just stick mine in the plinth before painting

[hazy brook]

I consider mine finished, will do proper pic when I have more heroes done for this game

In the hand I only used oils for the shadow blending, using acrylics for the highlights as a base coat then adding midtone and shadow colors with oils and blending with brush. I like the results, it definitely took me longer but the blend is better than I am used to.

Also used oil for blacklining

[vagrant igloo]

My plints are in transit so this is a temp solution but it is scary as hell

[hazy brook]

After varnishing my mini (ak ultra matte) I noticed that it was peeling off when touching it on large surface (like it's belly or ears), taking away the oil paint with it...could it be that oil paint was not completely dry (it was thinned with spirit for application, then dried for at least 4 days) or maybe it was not sticking properly to the acrylic surface? Not sure how to prevent this in future but this would be a problem for gaming minis...Any ideas?

[vagrant igloo]

4 days sounds a bit optimistic as a drying time tbh

[naive ledge]

Ak ultra matte doesn’t like handling much in my experience

[vagrant igloo]

Also true

[naive ledge]

The oil was likely dry at that point but not totally cured, curing takes a couple of weeks or more when thin

[hazy brook]

OK thanks for your input, might consider waiting longer next time...
as for ak ultra matte, never had problem before...

[silent abyss]

Starting soooooon

Gonna sketch a little tone w the air brush then it's off to oils

[silent abyss]

Pretty much all the acrylics it's gonna get

[silent abyss]

Very splotchy base layer

[silent abyss]

Much less splotchy, trying not to completely leave my acrylics behind

[silent abyss]

Added a base, started working in some purples

Taking a break for like 2 hours, suggestions very welcome

[silent abyss]

Working on the bruises, I think I need to get the values back down on em a tiny bit in spots

[silent abyss]

Where I'm stopping for the night I think

I'm not super hyped about doing the chains, I don't super like doing metallics in oils

[naive ledge]

NMM or actual metallics?

[silent abyss]

Nmm probably, which I suck at in acrylics

I have one meh metallic oil, it's not really oils strength in my mind

[naive ledge]

Nmm is way easier with oils

Just paint it dark, white for highlights, and blend the edges where they meet

[silent abyss]

I presume this is a tolerable first step, just add the highlights again?

[silent abyss]

I think I'm 80% of the way there

And given my nmm skill level I might stop fiddling

[silent abyss]

Almost done

[silent abyss]

Ok now I'm almost done, I think I'm gonna black line the sides (w/ oils cuz I like having regrets) and let it cure overnight

Will varnish and maybe oil wash tomorrow in a few tasteful spots

[regal lichen]

I had 0 motivation to start this PAL 🫣

[vagrant igloo]

Hahah what are you painting atm? ^_^

[regal lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-simpson-the-simpsons-shy-shame-ashame-gif-16916873

[naive ledge]

Me with nearly every PAL i join

[regal lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-chicken-bro-bro-gif-14109782

[twin kiln]

I think i will arrange something that is outside normal paint along rules with no time limit... 🙂 that would help me. 2 months is to fast for me.

[silent abyss]

Ok all done

[blissful flume]

I don’t think I am going to finish this, my only attempt I wiped off

[steel agate]

Woops a day late. I'll call this done for now. I want to work on the sword a lot more. I was glad to see everyone's pieces. Also a bonus demon prince I just started working on. Take care everyone!

[steel agate]

this thing is super gross, well done!