#OilAlong - Apr - May 2024

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prime cedar
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Oil Paintalong - a paintalong using oil paints (With some acrylics)
Video from Dimitri https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFMFJQla6Y
Milan Dufek https://www.youtube.com/@milandufek8151/videos
People could do there own figure and not be restricted to the same as the video.

STANDARD HOUSEKEEPING RULES :

You may prep your mini, this includes, gap fill, assemble, purchase and prime ahead of time. Paint should only be applied during the time-frame of the PAL.

Anyone can join in on the fun. Just share your mini first and paint within the time frame. Request your points in the point request channel by following the pinned post on how to ask for points.

You can't submit the same mini for multiple PALs or other multiple events. And units minis can't be split among the different PALS if they are identical .

Have fun and be nice to each other. Share some wips and some laughs.

This is a full short video course of painting small scale miniatures with oil paints from me. Discover the world of oil painting, learn about materials you will need, learn how to mix and apply oil paint.

Intro 0:00
Paints 2:35
Brushes 7:37
Diluent 8:32
Preparation 9:56
Two layers Approach 11:53
Palette 13:00
First oil layer 18:04
Second oil...

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@naive ledge @hazy brook @twin kiln

naive ledge
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I highly recommend picking up some liquin for this

twin kiln
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In Dimitry video there is good information of what he used at that time. Liquin is also a good tool 🙂 Dimitry also used some things for the oil to tdry faster but that is not really needed it can just take longer time. Remember that some oil colors depending on pigment can take up to a week to dry. Usually not on a miniature since we usually have thinner layers.

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I suggest that we can sit in discord and look at the video together one or two weeks before April. We could then just discuss some things together from the video and also share our own knowledge if we have worked with oils before. I have painted some figure in oil but not that many. It is fun and different from acryllics.

naive ledge
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I found liquin speeds the drying massively- like its rock hard in a day or so

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Also helps with the flow

naive ledge
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What ive found was the biggest eureka moment is- you aren’t layerint like acrylics, forget that whole process. More like place paints adjacent, sketchint, and then blending with a clean brush

twin kiln
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For the blending, I really can recommend a soft squirel brush that is one of the biggest things for me with oilpaint. It really helps out to get smooth transitions. Ohh and I dont use my kolinsky brushes for oil...that is to ask them to die. Get some good synthetics brushes and Squirel brushes 🙂

naive ledge
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Also you can just use linseed oil to clean the brushes too, without going to the sansodor every time

silent abyss
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I'll join in on this come April, I might need @'ing tho

steel agate
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I'm looking forward to this one and seeing the conversation around it. I started painting almost exclusively in oils because it fits the nature of my painting session. I can't come back to my pallette with acrylics the same way I can with oils after a few hours of "dad come play with me." "Dad come look at this." "Dad why are you ignoring us"....oh woops not that last one 😂

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I prefer Wappels style of oils. A pre-glaze and then "dry brushing" overtop. It takes a lot of practice though, even with knowing thick over thin, etc... I still botch layers and have to wipe off and then wait for it to dry.

naive ledge
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I’m in the same boat, where possible its airbrush acrylics and then oils for the rest now as i suck at glazing and wetblending

twin kiln
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I have made some smaller figures in oils after >I went to a course with dimitri. I only have a pic of what I did during the course. It is a bust and it wasn't finished, since I also helped out to organize the course with food and other things 🙂 but still it was very interesting to work in oils but haven't really done it afterwards and want too take it up again. But yeas intressting to see what you all have done before in oils if any.

silent abyss
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I did the skins on these in oils, the fire giant I cleaned up some of the smaller facial highlights w/ acrylic after iirc

steel agate
steel agate
# naive ledge Any pics of what you’ve worked on?

These were single session, wappel style, no acrylic base layer. The chaos lord on karkadrak I went in with a plan and it turned out great, even rhough my osl is inconsistent. The ogor I was flying by the seat of my pants and it ended up messier.

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If you search my post history I also just finished a belakor that is oils over acrylics base.

naive ledge
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The skin here and horns are oil- alla prima, so very quick, just sketched shapes blended with a little soft brush

twin kiln
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I have started to look through my pile of oppertunities for what I should paint for this paint along. But have a hard time to decide. So many great things just laying and waiting to get started 🙂 might need to see what I think is possible to do in two months time... Anyone that have a thought on which one I should pic?

naive ledge
hazy brook
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The rogue pirate looks great!

shell fractal
chilly wraith
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So you get your shadow, mid tone and highlight placed directly on the dry surface and blend the boarders?

naive ledge
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Yes thats right

chilly wraith
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That makes sense.

naive ledge
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It helps to have an acrylic sketch underneath too as you’ll be working in thin, often quite transparent layers

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For example a wip shot, look at the face

chilly wraith
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Right

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I was having opacity issues too

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But I realized that painting over straight black primer was probably the issue

naive ledge
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Yeah most good oils are somewhat transparent as thry dont add white like some acrylic hobby paints

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I found the same as you doing dark colours over light acrylics where i was adjusting stuff on nmm

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These metals i did in oils but they need work

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And this head is all oils- also shown is my acrylic underpainting

chilly wraith
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Underpainting with different colors is a cool idea

twin kiln
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the times I have worked with oils, I havent used that transparaent layers. More directly from the tube and then used the brush to distribute the oils over a larger area. I am curious to see how you work with oils and test a bit and see how it differs from how I do it.

blissful flume
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I have been wanting to try oils, count me in

chilly wraith
# naive ledge

I am going to try a more extensive underpainting. I really like the cold shadows.

blissful flume
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I just watched the Dmitri video, wow, blending looks so easy. Lots of mixing though

naive ledge
naive ledge
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Time to paint some skin (for golden goji)

naive ledge
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Oily boyz

chilly wraith
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Cool model!

devout jetty
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Working on this.

devout jetty
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Underpainting and working on skin...

devout jetty
naive ledge
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Wow that tail is amazing

devout jetty
devout jetty
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So far, I figured that there are many ways to use oil paints.

  1. mostly painting with acrylic then oil wash.
  2. painting with diluted oil (James Wapple style); similar to the consistency of model acrylics.
  3. painting with oil with medium (liquin, linseed oil, etc.)
  4. painting with oil straight out of tube.

Higher the number the thicker paint is. For me, thicker paint is always easy to manipulate if you can accept brush mark on your mini. These days, I'm mostly with no. 3 or 4 depending on the surface and effect I want.

devout jetty
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Almost done.

devout jetty
twin kiln
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@devout jetty the paint along starts first in April, but for me it is no problems that you will get points for this one 🙂 you are still welcome to paint more figures and post in here if you use oils, but I believe you cant get more specific points for it.

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Nice figure thou and like the scales and fins alot

chilly wraith
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I started too late in the day.

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But it's been informative. My red is not very powerful.

naive ledge
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Cadmium red is best for a bright red (dont get ‘hue’) or naphthol red/alizarin crimson for dark pinky tones

chilly wraith
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I started with the Abteilung 502 red primer. @naive ledge I will try the warm red next.

There are a few points of failure, I generally should have underpainted more. The brown shadow layer is also too bright, i should have mixed something darker.

hazy brook
twin kiln
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they are much softer, so then you have an edge in the oil you use them to soften the area, much easier to make a transition with them

twin kiln
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you just lightly brushes over the area you want to blend. other wise i use syntetic brushes on oil paints

naive ledge
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Not sure whether to do barbarian from mindwork or total war from mindwork for this

naive ledge
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Thinking this

twin kiln
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I think that I will change to a bust model, need to practices on a bigger figure,was some time ago.

hazy brook
naive ledge
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@rose parcel this one is also starting april first, could go in the announcement to get more people on board!

twin kiln
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@naive ledge @rose parcel I think that he has omitted it because this is so much cooler paintalong then the Dorkalong 😉 and it would steal all participants. (mental not need to go checkout the Dorkalong and what it is.)

naive ledge
twin kiln
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Yes I have read up on it, very nice one. Dont know if I will get time enough over to participate. But a cool one yes. Daniel do you live in europe?

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We should schedule a day and time that most of us in this paintalong could meeet over discord and talk a bit about the paintalong 🙂 when would it work for you all? I am from Sweden in Europe with CET +1 hour time

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Most days would work for me and I also time of day is flexible.

naive ledge
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Maybe make a poll- for me day time is best, late morning or afternoon, weekdays

rose parcel
hazy brook
twin kiln
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we might hae two meetings on diffrent times. I generally have some flexability.

blissful flume
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@twin kiln @hazy brook some of us are not in Europe, if you do something live would it be possible to record it and post it for the rest of us?

chilly wraith
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My brain

hazy brook
naive ledge
twin kiln
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I wwas thinking to watch the video togehter and talk about it 🙂 but yes we can also paint 🙂

chilly wraith
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I think it's much better than my first attempt. Oil paints are so much fun to work with.

chilly wraith
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And thanks!

naive ledge
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Quick stop at the art shop for some more paynes grey, viridian green and rose blush for this (and for my duel with Kretcher)

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I had the student quality paynes grey but it seemed worth upgrading as it’s still a fairly cheap pigment and i use it in eeeeeeeverything

silent abyss
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What single pigment oil paints do y'all have overall?

naive ledge
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Got most popular pigments there but there are a few i know i’m missing- alizarin crimson and any kind of sienna mainly. Cadmium orange I’m a bit resistant to buy as yellow and red makes a good orange, dont recommend mixing other secondaries though

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Especially not purple

twin kiln
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I usually mix purple, using magenta (Unsure of names in oils paints) and different blue that gives a nice rich purple.

naive ledge
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So what models are everyone painting?

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And what schemes?

hazy brook
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I still don't know, I am quite intimidated I must admit.

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Maybe it's Time to try my first bust...I have a Cormac I got from a secret Santa that is still unpainted

naive ledge
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Also dont be intimidated, it’s quite intuitive

silent abyss
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Something with lots of skin, I have a goblin bust and a little walking hand mini that are on deck

chilly wraith
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One of these

steel agate
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I'm definitely doing the rogue bust I just got from banshee.

silent abyss
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One of the options

chilly wraith
silent abyss
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Yeah I like it because it's like 90% skin and that's by far what I'm the best at painting w/ oils

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Like Ive been working on these, and did the purple in oils, and I feel like they're just fine (I'm not great at harsh blends w scrumbling)

chilly wraith
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What is scrumbling?

silent abyss
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Blending technique, the very basics of it is lay one color next to/on another, take a shitty brush and blend them together

chilly wraith
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Seems like a good way to introduce texture and surface variation.

silent abyss
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yeah, I'm not a pro at it at all (I think @naive ledge prob knows what's up) but it's a nice way to set up interesting blends

naive ledge
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Also never heard of scumbling, looks interesting! I think I’d call my technique ‘sketch and blend’ as it’s a sketch of the area in solid colours and then blending the borders together

stone pilot
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Don't have picture of them just primed but I started painting these two today.

stone pilot
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And I think that's where i'll leave them for today. First layer :)

chilly wraith
stone pilot
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Yeah the perylene black mixed in really nicely on that one 😁

steel agate
chilly wraith
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So close to being done

stone pilot
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Nice! Where's that thunder warrior from? Doesn't quite look like one of Garins. But I may be wrong.
Color palette is so good. Almost monochromatic is a cool look.

twin kiln
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I will be in voice chat around 23.00 CET today and for the people that are interested to join me. Lets also plan a meeting during coming weekend. I Need to check my availability first thou 🙂

naive ledge
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That’s past my bedtime unfortunately!

chilly wraith
naive ledge
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Time for some skintone mixing. Titanium white, naples yellow, pink blush, ultramarine blue, burnt umber

chilly wraith
naive ledge
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Finishint this guy off- he’s painted with oils but not in this paintalong

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He’s been in my backlog too long though

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Good warmup and I thought you guys might be interested in the process

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Blended out a little from that sketch

chilly wraith
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I like it. I think I can grasp how the technique application develops over time.

Conceptualizing the lighting and using the imagined environment to inform the hue of shadows/highlights is the more challenging part to me.

naive ledge
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Leaving it there, needs a bit more detail and need to do the face properly

naive ledge
chilly wraith
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What is your workflow with the airbrush? @naive ledge I have been applying a zenithal highlight of black to white, but should I try underpainting via airbrush as well?

naive ledge
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So for skin I’d do a yellowy greeny layer over your initial black/white airbrush

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Like this

chilly wraith
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Ooooooo

chilly wraith
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How do you decide what the color should be?

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I have seen people lean towards pastel values, does the higher quantity of white allow the color to read more as a secondary midtone, skewed towards the most extreme highlights value?

naive ledge
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I’m not sure i understand, I just filter over the zenithal highlight with whatever hue/tone the mini is and that also helps set the value of the midtones

chilly wraith
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I follow then! That answers my question

silent abyss
steel agate
steel agate
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Quick start, preglaze and getting my mid tones set.

naive ledge
steel agate
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I'm going to let this set for a bit. Done for now!

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preglaze: van dyke brown and indigo. next layer is terra rosa:brilliant yellow pale for skins. terra rosa straight for leather. shirt is indian yellow

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skin refinement was some brilliant violet, white, a touch of perylene black (green)

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just need a red glove and then ill accidentally have one punch man

chilly wraith
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Hey, one punch man has a hot color scheme going on for him

rotund acorn
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Nice, joining this.

steel agate
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I am loving how this is turning out. I made him a little cartoonish-evil and its cracking me up. Also some close ups of the skin. I basically stabbed the brush in a chaotic fashion to remove the brushstrokes from the skin. Calling it stippling would be like calling cutting down a tree widdling.

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i think im going to turn this into a competition piece. i can see the story: he is an evil scoundrel, setting up illegal toll stops on empty roads and intimidating the locals into paying so that they can cross the street

chilly wraith
steel agate
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he is evil enough, he could do that too.

naive ledge
steel agate
# naive ledge Very cool! Is that the scale75 series?

the bust? i actually have no idea where the bust is from. i got it in a class from alfonso giraldes, and ive been googling the hell out of it trying to find some reference pictures and nothing has come up. i thought it was called the scoundrel, but that turns up nothing. i even did a reverse image search using a pic from @cyan bronze and still nothing came up. maybe its out of print scale 75? its not on their website

naive ledge
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Yeah it’s this dude from scale75 kickstarter

chilly wraith
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That helmet is dope

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It is kind of reminiscent of Monty Python and the quest for the holy grail

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With the French bit

steel agate
# naive ledge

oh crap thats a vest and a shirt under the vest! see, thats why i wanted a reference before i got started, lol. thanks daniel

naive ledge
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Here are more

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Cool models but i think they wont come to general sale

steel agate
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also now that i see the amazing boxart, i hate my paintjob 😦

chilly wraith
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It seems like a reasonable interpretation from my perspective

twin kiln
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I will be doing this figure, have changed to get some feeling for a bit bigger bust. Was very long time since i painted anything in a serious way 🙂

naive ledge
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Cant wait for monday to start painting mine

stone pilot
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Got another layer in :)

chilly wraith
steel agate
steel agate
stone pilot
chilly wraith
steel agate
# chilly wraith Post wipe down

do you have a metallic oil paint? i use the gamblin silver and its like no other paint ive ever used. super matte and super bright. id take some of that and very gently "dry brush" some highlights back on the edges

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you lost a lot of color with your wash

chilly wraith
steel agate
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i think you should do that. are the 502s more high flow though? you might want to put some out on a piece of paper and let it soak up the extra liquid first before applying tothe model

chilly wraith
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They dry faster than other oils and generally have less linseed oil from what I can tell.

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The dry time is like 12-15 hours before dry to the touch

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or completely dry? It's unclear, post 15 hours the surface for sure does not reactivate to mineral spirits

naive ledge
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I hadn’t really noticed that my abteilungs dry faster. Quality wise they are closer to student quality than artist quality, I think their main ‘selling point’ is a wide range of premixed shades that match what mini painters are after (who are generally not used to blending)

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They are also a lot more opaque, likely due to blending in pigments for better coverage

vagrant igloo
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I'll join in with this dude

chilly wraith
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From what I can tell, some of the effects paints have particles of some kind in them and/or dry gloss. Though, the only labeling describing them as effects paints is on the paint set box.

naive ledge
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Light sketch airbrushed on in acrylic. All the rest will be done in oils

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Expecting to use brown oxide, cadmium red and yellow for the hair. Armour will be a lot of paynes grey, burnt umber, naples yellow and white I think, maybe with some red secondary reflections

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Not sure on the cloth colour yet

steel agate
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I made some improvement in shadow and skin tone after seeing the box art.

stone pilot
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He's definitely looking healthier

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And the shirt being separate is a good move.

twin kiln
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I am trying too folllow how dimitri was doing things. I ahve started with a base layer of acylics. /Dont htink that is needed, but now it is kind of done.) seen that I was sloopy in someplaces. My eyesight is defenetly worse nowdays 🙂

twin kiln
stone pilot
steel agate
chilly wraith
stone pilot
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Fuck yeah

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Getting that grimdark mood so well :)

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I hope that metal sheet he's standing on ends up rusty as can be 😁

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Rust's a great place to try a little impasto for texture.

chilly wraith
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Thanks a lot! You are absolutely right about the texture, I'm excited for the weathering step.

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I'm thinking about incorporating acid rain style streaking

stone pilot
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Oh yeah you can just put a little thinner down over a pre glazed area and it'll create cool effects like that. Easier with terrain than minis though.

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The streaking affect on the altar is done that way. As well as the golden trees on the building in the back.

naive ledge
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A layer of transparent brown oxide mixed 70/20/10 with linseed oil and spirits for flow

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Once this is dried a bit I’ll layer it up to a coppery orange

vagrant igloo
naive ledge
regal lichen
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I only have their student range tho, cause I wasn't planning to buy proper oils until I know what I'm doing

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hope is not that bad

vagrant igloo
vagrant igloo
regal lichen
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I've been using them sparely across different minis and so far its ok but I have no comparison

vagrant igloo
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Hahah yeah I guess that would make it hard to tell 😛

naive ledge
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Yeah the difference seems to be in pigment density and texture. A bit hard to describe. The artist ones also thin down more nicely without becoming ‘unbound’ and grainy

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Also some colours only come in artist form, and the student one has the ‘hue’ verson

regal lichen
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Made this base with oils (first try)

naive ledge
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Looking good

vagrant igloo
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Looks very solid

regal lichen
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And those I applied some oils too that took forever to be dry to the touch

vagrant igloo
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Oh, yeah I loved these once 😄

regal lichen
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I did some purple, brown and verdigris washes

naive ledge
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Those skeletons are beautiful

regal lichen
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thanks! I got some liquin to see if it helps with the drying time

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that dragon base probably took ages to dry too I just didn't kept checking, but bc I needed to highlight the skeletons with acrylics I could tell how long it was taking (more than a week to feel safe even with varnish)

naive ledge
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Liquin really really speeds it up

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Like almost too fast for me

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It does add a glossiness too which you may not always want in miniature painting

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This can be countered a bit with more spirits too I think, spirits seen to matt the paint more. Just straight up oils are a nice satin finish. I like their natrual finish for skin, leather etc

stone pilot
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I add a little cold wax too any medium I use now to help matte them.

chilly wraith
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What is cold wax?

stone pilot
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It's an oil medium. Comes in a little tin and makes your paint more stiff if used alone. But a little mixed into odorless spirits or neo-meglip have had a nice matting effect for me.

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Still messing with ratios but as always with oils a little goes a really long way in our hobby.

chilly wraith
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The paint additives make me feel like a wizard or something.

stone pilot
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Yeah they got good names in oil painting

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You can melt crystals to make em yourself too it's totally wizard shit.

chilly wraith
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One part linseed oil, two parts white spirit, three parts dragon wax, cold

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Hit it with yee old blow torch to flash off the white spirit and carbonize the dragon wax.

stone pilot
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Dangerous magic, every single oil medium making article I read stresses so hard not to let it get too hot 😂
But this is obviously just instructions for casting color spray.

chilly wraith
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OH YEAH. IT ALL CAN SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST

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But the context is always an "oil soaked rag" with spirits and/or other additives. I imagine the paint itself is fairly stable.

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Never mind. It is the paint that generates heat as it dries.

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But is the exothermic reaction at our scale still problematic?

stone pilot
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Not on the miniatures no, and we probably aren't using enough of the actual paint to soak a rag.

chilly wraith
naive ledge
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Itself

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starting to add a little cadmium yellow but think it’s too yellow so gonna do an orange mix instead

regal lichen
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gives a nice contrast

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unless you want it to read ginger

naive ledge
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Yeah going for ginger

naive ledge
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Added a bit more colour to push towards ginger

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The shine makes it hard to gauge

regal lichen
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it doesn't read ginger to me yet, more like dark blond

naive ledge
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More red, do you reckon?

regal lichen
naive ledge
regal lichen
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yeah more red/orange on highlights

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and the darker areas is more like a redish brown

naive ledge
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You reckon the shadows aren’t red enough?

regal lichen
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right now it's a bit hard for me to tell

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maybe after the highlights are orange/red it will be easier

naive ledge
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Thanks!

twin kiln
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Yeah more red, but you could keep some of the draker browns in some areas. As it is it is more of a brown tint in the darker areas i think. and more red in midtones i would say.? just test and show us 🙂

vagrant igloo
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What are the downfalls of not blocking in colors in acrylics before? Are there colors that are more important to block in than others? 😄

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Also what gradient do you guys think would look better for a muchroom? ^_^

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The blue to red got a bit messed up but blue, magenta and then red if you get my drift ^_^

chilly wraith
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Especially if you are applying an oil wash and wiping the excess off.

vagrant igloo
chilly wraith
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Generally, oil paints are not very opaque, so if the undertone is not the same hue as the paint being applied, it can be time consuming to reapply oil layers to increase the opacity.

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I have also found that it to be easier dealing with finer details, since it can be difficult to fix paint application errors on a wet oil surface.

vagrant igloo
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Alright, interesting I would have assumed they would cover fine over white but I have never ever applied oils straight on so you learn something new everyday I guess 😄

chilly wraith
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Some of the abteilung 502 colors have good coverage over white, but depending on the pigment used the coverage can get spotty. Supposedly artist colors have more of an issue with opacity.

regal lichen
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You could mix to get more opacity no?

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You lose in saturation probably but gain opacity by mixing with white or something like that

vagrant igloo
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Sounds like I should try both a bit ^_^

chilly wraith
chilly wraith
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Is lavender spike oil too powerful of a solvent for miniatures?

naive ledge
vagrant igloo
naive ledge
vagrant igloo
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Yeah, the contrast helps it a lot for sure

naive ledge
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Added viridian green for the cloth

twin kiln
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Vridian that is a transparent color or? It is on my too buy list 🙂

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Will be very nice with a green color there

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looked it up it is semi-opaque (atleast for old holland)

naive ledge
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It’s a gorgeous colour and yes it’s very transparent which i love

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Oh interesting for W&N its transparent

chilly wraith
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It's an all natural solvent and alternative to turpentine/white spirits.

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But apparently it can dissolve the resin in varnishes? Which makes me think there might be an issue with resin minatures.

stone pilot
naive ledge
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I prefer transparent colours. More flexibility. Better for glazing too.

stone pilot
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Yeah the messy way I paint though weak colors are kinda difficult to get to establish themselves.

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Weak isn't inherent to Transparency I guess I should clarify.

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I'd have a hard time calling a PThalo paint weak 😁

naive ledge
stone pilot
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Viridian, but when I did double check it was a Winton so that may be part of my issues.

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It has worked alright in washes though which is what winton are really good for anyways.

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But I may have a better tube of it somewhere in the tub. I'll see about that next time I go delving for new paints to try.

stone pilot
naive ledge
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Cheaper but muuuuch weaker

stone pilot
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It's only 1 pigment listed.

vagrant igloo
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W&N use the same pigment as Old Holland so sounds weird they should have different opacity but I learn something new about oils everyday nowadays x)

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About the same price also

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Or is Winton it's own thing? I though you guys where clever and shortened winsor and newton x)

stone pilot
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It's the student line for W&N

naive ledge
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( also for that price you know it cant be actual viridian)

naive ledge
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Oh interesting i wonder if that is a US only one

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On the UK version of the site that doesnt even appear

stone pilot
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I had to look it up. Most of my oils are second hand so may well also be that they used to sell it, but no longer do.

regal lichen
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I'll check mine

naive ledge
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Hard to see cos it’s so goddamn glossy but started to highlight and shade with titanium white and ivory black

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The green that is

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Reaaaally wanna do the metal but need the rest first to see what will be reflected where

steel agate
naive ledge
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Cheeky panel lining and some leather

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Not sure why but discord tries to send all my messages twice

vagrant igloo
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Got my oils today and made a zenthal so later today/tomorrow I'll get to experimenting

naive ledge
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One breast

regal lichen
chilly wraith
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😦

vagrant igloo
regal lichen
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convenient

naive ledge
vagrant igloo
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I got proof!

vagrant igloo
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Invoice marked yday but still

stone pilot
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Interesting choices

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Indian Yellow is a core color though IMO so you got that.

vagrant igloo
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How long can you realistically keep your oils on the panel before they start to change behavior? I know it's prolly a week or so but just wanna make sure

vagrant igloo
stone pilot
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If you put them in a freezer forever

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If you can close the box they're in or something probably about 2 weeks on average, but some colors just dry crazy fast.

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Green gold is great, it's also a little wasteful 😂

vagrant igloo
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Alright that makes sense

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The set contained these once also, white and black I have plenty of but was buying cad red and prussian blue anyways so was basically the other colors for free 😛

stone pilot
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I'm curious is that Madder Red PR 101?

vagrant igloo
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PR207 and 264

stone pilot
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Ah ok! Thanks I thought it might be burnt sienna hiding in another tubes skin again.

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Terra Rosa and Transparent Red Earth being the others I know 😂

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Don't think I've used the chrome green. Curious how that works for you :)

vagrant igloo
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Cad lemon being cad yellow light got my head spinnin 😛

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Yeah I have to get to playing with them all a bit

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This is also a fun one

naive ledge
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I could use indian yellow- cad yellow is intense

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I like naples yellow too though, use that ofteb

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Often

vagrant igloo
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I have about 100ml you can get x)

naive ledge
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Start painting backdrops for your minis

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It’ll still last you years though

vagrant igloo
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Yeah I think I could paint a canvas with it in multiple layers

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Need to find a Diarylide Yellow as that is my robe color for my gitz

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Ah lol is that napels

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Noo

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jk

naive ledge
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Just submerge your palette in water

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It sounds insane but it is a fairly common thing for painters to do

vagrant igloo
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That does indeed sounds insane

naive ledge
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When you see how much paint people put on palettes though it makes sense to preserve them

vagrant igloo
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Yeah, I think I'll just reset my palette, is it somewhat easy to remove dry oil paint?

naive ledge
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Ive learned to wipe down at the end of the day

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same day- easy wipe

vagrant igloo
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Yeah alright

naive ledge
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One day- bit of spirit and scrubbing

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A few days- scraping with a knife

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I’m doing it on an acrylic palette though so a glass one would be easier

vagrant igloo
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Alright, yeah makes sense, trial and error I guess 😄

naive ledge
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Yeah you may have a different experience!

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You know I think I’m starting to understand why i enjoy painting with oils. It’s flow- not paint flow, but ‘flow’ describing that feeling of being ‘in the zone’, like getting lost in playing a game or something. With acrylics it feels a lot more methodical, gotta do this colour then that, lots of patient glazing… but painting with oils you can just keep adding and improvising and see instant results.

stone pilot
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I like that I don't have to rush, helps me be in that flow.

vagrant igloo
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Yeah so far I already feel I think more with color then with acrylics and I have not even touched a non diluted oil on a mini yet

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But I'm a little scared about how hard the small goblin faces are going to be

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Also need to learn to mix like tan colors and I feel that might be challange for me

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In my mind it's white brown and yellow but dunno

naive ledge
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I’d paint your shadow tone, wipe off, then paint the highlights

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Blend it a bit- then repeat the highlights

vagrant igloo
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Alright, so just like baselayer of shadow

naive ledge
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Yeah, then a nice pointy makeup sponge to wipe off so you can highlight easily

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I dont like q tips/earbuds as they leave too much fluff

vagrant igloo
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Dope dope, I have some of those

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Might be manageable, I have very low expectations of this first one but I hope it's fun ^_^

regal lichen
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Idk if it will work but it’s primed and ready

vagrant igloo
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Ohhh I like that pose a lot!

naive ledge
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That beard is luscious

chilly wraith
chilly wraith
naive ledge
stone pilot
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I just use wax paper glued to cardboard and replace as needed.

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I feel more confident painting out of my dvd case than the nice big palette I have 😂

naive ledge
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One good thing about clear. Plastic/glass though is you can choose whatever colour you want underneath it

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Like have it over a white sheet of paper and easily see what colours you have made

stone pilot
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Certainly an advantage if you do a lot of mixing on the palette instead of the model.

naive ledge
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Yeah, good for flesh tones

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Where you are usually mixing a red, yellow, blue and more

chilly wraith
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DVD cases. Genius.

silent abyss
vagrant igloo
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Found your IG @naive ledge 😁

vagrant igloo
naive ledge
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Before and after blend on torso

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I hope you like

regal lichen
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neat!

vagrant igloo
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Very nice

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I have worked a bit on mine now, it's really tricky but very fun

naive ledge
vagrant igloo
vagrant igloo
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Messy af but blocked in a bit of color and stuff

regal lichen
vagrant igloo
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More blocking in and a bit of other shit ^_^

vagrant igloo
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@naive ledge please let me know if I do something obviously wrong, it's my first time with oils and you seem to know your shit 😁

regal lichen
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Yeah I just checked my little oil tubes from winton and most are “hue”

naive ledge
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Hue Jass

regal lichen
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I’m thinking if I should have made the back of the mini also more white cause now is super dark

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If I need to strip the paint what can be used? 😅

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Once dried ofc

naive ledge
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Spirits, but it will take a bit of scrubbing if its actually dry

naive ledge
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Did the arm bit but needs some neatening up

naive ledge
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Hope it reads as fire and not rust!

silent abyss
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It reads as an environmental reflection to me, maybe not fire though

chilly wraith
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Nanbanzuke made a point about drawing a straight line from the source

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The more I thought about it, the more it makes sense.

chilly wraith
# naive ledge

I don't think the red reflection on the left breastplate and the red reflection by the bolt can be caused by the same.light source.

naive ledge
chilly wraith
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let me draw

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pulling out paint

naive ledge
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Ohh i see her actual boob- yeah that’s just some earthy colour i put in for interest before deciding to add some fire reflections

chilly wraith
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I was not sure if the redish browns here were the same reflection as the fire

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Also, the quest continues!

naive ledge
stone pilot
naive ledge
naive ledge
chilly wraith
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Yeah I am trying to parse the SDS

chilly wraith
steel agate
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I've been working on refining these layers for this gift for my friend. I've worked with liquin before but not this extensively, I'm loving it.

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The other bust I was working on for the oil along is shelved until the plinth arrives.

chilly wraith
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I really like it!

steel agate
# chilly wraith I really like it!

thank you! i keep waffling with the idea of maybe getting it ready for a competition, but i think id have to completely redo the base, which i dont really care to do

naive ledge
chilly wraith
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sometimes its better to be like "Ok this I like where this is at"

twin kiln
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Damn it is difficult to do this, not used to oils 🙂 my finger and way of holding the figure dont work since the color dont dry. I now have colors in areas I dont want it in. But have done a first layer on skin and the red areas.

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I do get waht i think is small blobs of pigments that are visiable in the skin are. I am not sure that is what I see but I belieeve so. I might need to mix the colors beter on the palette before applying it. but not sure. If you open up and soom you will see them. I will say that I intentionally have put them there for extra skin textures 🙂

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I cant see them with my eye thou so just a photo issue

steel agate
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nice skin tones @twin kiln.

chilly wraith
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Found some good non solvent based mediums/thinners

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This stuff is great. It is more viscous than spirits, but thins as well. There is also a brush cleaning fluid that is also solid from Gamblin.

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It doesn't offgass at all.

regal lichen
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Yeah I just discovered I don’t have liquin I have linseed oil

naive ledge
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Did a bit more today

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I know my fire breaks physical laws haha

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But it looked cooler this way

chilly wraith
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It's hot!

regal lichen
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Who’s going to say how many light sources you have anyways

rich gull
vagrant igloo
rich gull
vagrant igloo
rich gull
# naive ledge What are you painting?

I’m trying to make a gloomspite gitz army with mushroom colored cloaks, with the hood being the cap and the cloak being the stem, and the color for the bottom has been killing me

naive ledge
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How about classic white to red like an amanita?

rich gull
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I think I’ll try that, thanks

naive ledge
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Still on the glow train

vagrant igloo
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I love that you are putting this much detail into something that is not even visible from the front 😍

naive ledge
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Something doesn’t feel right with the light on her back armour

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What do you reckon?

vagrant igloo
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Someone more knowledgeable then me might have pointers but I think it looks great

regal lichen
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it's a bit rough and I don't know much of OSL but if I imagined a candle lit behind her this is what I would expect to happen to the armor

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it's the yellow next to orange that its bothering imo

naive ledge
regal lichen
naive ledge
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Any better @regal lichen ?

regal lichen
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Where you have yellow on the bottom left I would have orange/reds

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In theory should be yellow just closer to the source and it depends on what the source is

naive ledge
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Thanks

regal lichen
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So I don’t know if it was clear? But if the part on her back is at the same distance of the source they should match cause they are close to each other in the body

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So I would say the source is closer to her elbow than the bottom parts if those parts in the bottom are more orange/red bc the elbow has some yellow on it

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And the secondary bounce light with the yellow in the bottom also looks weird

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Im no expert just going with gut feelings of observing art over years 😅

chilly wraith
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Couldn't we solve this by simulating the light up against the model and then taking a picture?

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Like a candle could be the flame for reference

naive ledge
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Its fine i just wiped it all off

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Doing the gold now as. Change of pace

chilly wraith
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For what it is worth, I think the effect is being communicated well

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I finished the homeboy a few days ago

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There is plenty of room for improvement but I think this is a reasonable stopping point

twin kiln
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@naive ledge Like the colors you have used for the gold, not to bright and harmonizes well with the green and other parts of the figure.

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Hmm bright perhaps Saturation is the right word... damn English 🙂

naive ledge
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Gold bits 99% done

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Yellow ochre, burnt umber, cadmium yellow, white, indigo

steel agate
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I can't do gold without Indian yellow. I love the hue it gives.

naive ledge
steel agate
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I think it looks very good.

naive ledge
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I always bounce between ‘two desaturated!’ And ‘holy shit that’s yellow’

naive ledge
stone pilot
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Ah I was liking the red glow, but I do love how easy oils are to just change your mind on 😂

naive ledge
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Values on this feel way better to me though

stone pilot
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Oh for sure I just thought the flame effect had some lovely colors 😁

chilly wraith
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I like it

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But the yellow was cool too!

stone pilot
naive ledge
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Love the bases

stone pilot
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Trollin the Ambrosial river 😁

chilly wraith
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I like it!

naive ledge
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Royal scumble

steel agate
steel agate
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We are back in business. Going to polish up the sword then I'm just about done methinks.

naive ledge
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Looks great @steel agate great job on the leather belt and buckle

steel agate
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Thank you daniel

worn nacelle
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I've wanted to paint this for awhile and decided on oils for it. Figured it'll help with the blending on large parts.

naive ledge
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And jeez that is a big lad

worn nacelle
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Yeah he beeg

twin kiln
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that is not a small miniature 🙂

naive ledge
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Could look incredible when done

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Especially with a super reflective armour

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Hard to photograph though!

naive ledge
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Sword before blending

naive ledge
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After but i think it needs to be brighter

lunar stirrup
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Is it too late to join? 🙂 I have a lil skelly that I started playing at a couple days ago

silent abyss
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Not too late to join, but I think you have to join w a base model with primer(+zenithal )at most on it

lunar stirrup
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Dumb question, but how to join? I'll be starting next model in a day or two, so no reason not to 🙂

twin kiln
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just post the figure you want to join with and start painting 🙂

lunar stirrup
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Is the end may 1st or 31st?

twin kiln
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31 st

lunar stirrup
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Glory be!

lunar stirrup
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If I had been paying attention I would have used this guy for the oil along, but this gives me an excuse to push paint around on a bust. Yippee!

steel agate
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I did some sword blending myself. Going to add some damage to make it look more ruddy. Happy with where it is at this point. I also want to add this sign to add to my story.

lunar stirrup
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And ditto,that bust man. Delicious!

twin kiln
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BTW an update is that it is very hard to change old habbits... I again was holding the bust that I am painting the way I do when using acryllics. the result is that my freehand patterns are now smudged and I need to restart them 🙂

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Eventually if I use oils more often I hopefully will learn.

naive ledge
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Starting the face

naive ledge
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Is the colour ok?

regal lichen
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Well she lacks blood underneath the skin as she’s looking quite pale

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Unless she’s a vampire then it’s alright

naive ledge
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Thanks! I’ll get more red in then

naive ledge
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Any healthier?

silent abyss
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Still reads as grey pale to me, but not dead

naive ledge
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Second one has more indian red!

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Now we are getting into the too red territory surely

silent abyss
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Lemme find the skin mixing guide I normally use

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You're aiming for like a European pale right?

silent abyss
naive ledge
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That’s a good one. I usually have ultramarine for shadows too

silent abyss
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Yeah I like using dioxazine for some of my shadows

twin kiln
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I will be online tomorrow evening around 23 CET time. If anyone else have time then it would be nice just to talk a bit around what we are painting and oils for miniatures in general.

naive ledge
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Finally did another layer on the skin

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How is the skintone looking?

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Touch of eyeshadow on there too

vagrant igloo
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Looks very very good in my eyes

twin kiln
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Fantastic, really nicely done skin

naive ledge
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Thanks, i want to get more of a cast shadow from the nose now

regal lichen
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Stunning

stone pilot
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Brave enough to do a beauty mark?

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Looking great though :)

naive ledge
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She looks pretty sad

stone pilot
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Oh that'd be pretty cool yeah

twin kiln
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go for a tear will add alot of character

naive ledge
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Quite tricky! Basically need a darker flesh tone i think in a streak

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With a tiny little white bit for the reflection/specular

hazy brook
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I love this skintone, it's great.

naive ledge
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Did the tear streak now to be less dark and makeupy

vagrant igloo
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This is really something, crazy good job 😁

silent abyss
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Wildly good

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I still need to start on my oil mini, April was busy 😭

naive ledge
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I need to finish this to start my duel with @twin kiln

twin kiln
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I will do some on the figure for the duel this weekend, will skip the oil one dont have time to finish it, also going away two weeks in june 🙂

lunar stirrup
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Finally got started on a lil mimic mini!

blissful flume
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I am going to try oils on this bust

naive ledge
stone pilot
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Oh i've done that one I think. Good fun to paint :D

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Tytantrolls busts are perfect palette cleansers I think. I need to print a bunch next time i'm back into 3d printing.

lunar stirrup
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Potato picture, but good progress on lil mimic

lunar stirrup
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Hobby ADHD today. Started this guy. Was going to work up to grey, but now I'm leaning towards it mostly as the pre glaze. Any thoughts on how I could make this better would be super appreciated!

hazy brook
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You could try to darken the deepest shadows with some precise shadings (Brown, green or black) then mark a few edges highlights

lunar stirrup
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Thankyouuu!

blissful flume
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First attempt at oils, just playing around with mixing

vagrant igloo
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Some oils on a new project I'm starting

vagrant igloo
naive ledge
vagrant igloo
hazy brook
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I decided to paint him with oils( maybe not only oils though)

vagrant igloo
hazy brook
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Let's hope he remains so...I am really not confident with this one

hazy brook
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I tried to work from a light coat of acrylic (the higher value of each color) and simply try to blend in the shadows

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I seem to get quite some visible brush strokes when blending, as if my brush was not soft enough, or maybe it is the low quality oil paint?

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I did only 'skin' and pink so far

naive ledge
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For something very smooth like that I recommend looking at Zabaart and Jan Soukup who paint all in oils with similar style models

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Like very rounded organic shapes

vagrant igloo
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@naive ledge How is yours coming along? Been so fun to follow the progress of it!

naive ledge
vagrant igloo
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Oh I did not realize how finished she was, feels like I've mostly seen zoomed in pics lately. Amazing work man 😍

naive ledge
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Thanks!

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Not really happy with the hands either but not sure how to fix

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Certainly a learning curve doing 100% oils

twin kiln
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I am sadly totally stuck with so much work at the moment there is hardly any time. Will finish my project to late but after duel with daniel. it is impossible to try two project at the same time right now. But defenetly want too do more work with oils in the future

twin kiln
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This is my project

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where i messed up the freehand by holding it like it was painted with akryllics 🙂

naive ledge
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I want a plinth holder with a finger rest

vagrant igloo
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I would settle to find a good system to hold my plinth/busts x)

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Current system is a recipe for disaster 😂

naive ledge
hazy brook
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I consider mine finished, will do proper pic when I have more heroes done for this game

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In the hand I only used oils for the shadow blending, using acrylics for the highlights as a base coat then adding midtone and shadow colors with oils and blending with brush. I like the results, it definitely took me longer but the blend is better than I am used to.

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Also used oil for blacklining

vagrant igloo
hazy brook
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After varnishing my mini (ak ultra matte) I noticed that it was peeling off when touching it on large surface (like it's belly or ears), taking away the oil paint with it...could it be that oil paint was not completely dry (it was thinned with spirit for application, then dried for at least 4 days) or maybe it was not sticking properly to the acrylic surface? Not sure how to prevent this in future but this would be a problem for gaming minis...Any ideas?

vagrant igloo
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4 days sounds a bit optimistic as a drying time tbh

naive ledge
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Ak ultra matte doesn’t like handling much in my experience

vagrant igloo
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Also true

naive ledge
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The oil was likely dry at that point but not totally cured, curing takes a couple of weeks or more when thin

hazy brook
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OK thanks for your input, might consider waiting longer next time...
as for ak ultra matte, never had problem before...

silent abyss
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Starting soooooon

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Gonna sketch a little tone w the air brush then it's off to oils

silent abyss
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Pretty much all the acrylics it's gonna get

silent abyss
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Very splotchy base layer

silent abyss
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Much less splotchy, trying not to completely leave my acrylics behind

silent abyss
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Added a base, started working in some purples

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Taking a break for like 2 hours, suggestions very welcome

silent abyss
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Working on the bruises, I think I need to get the values back down on em a tiny bit in spots

silent abyss
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Where I'm stopping for the night I think

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I'm not super hyped about doing the chains, I don't super like doing metallics in oils

silent abyss
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I have one meh metallic oil, it's not really oils strength in my mind

naive ledge
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Nmm is way easier with oils

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Just paint it dark, white for highlights, and blend the edges where they meet

silent abyss
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I presume this is a tolerable first step, just add the highlights again?

silent abyss
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I think I'm 80% of the way there

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And given my nmm skill level I might stop fiddling

silent abyss
silent abyss
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Almost done

silent abyss
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Ok now I'm almost done, I think I'm gonna black line the sides (w/ oils cuz I like having regrets) and let it cure overnight

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Will varnish and maybe oil wash tomorrow in a few tasteful spots

regal lichen
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I had 0 motivation to start this PAL 🫣

vagrant igloo
naive ledge
twin kiln
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I think i will arrange something that is outside normal paint along rules with no time limit... 🙂 that would help me. 2 months is to fast for me.

silent abyss
blissful flume
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I don’t think I am going to finish this, my only attempt I wiped off

steel agate
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Woops a day late. I'll call this done for now. I want to work on the sword a lot more. I was glad to see everyone's pieces. Also a bonus demon prince I just started working on. Take care everyone!

steel agate