Offseason Talk

[floral flume]

Let's say Brook goes and Dame misses half the year...we r a 6-10 seed, no chance at contention honestly would be a waste of making it

[steady swift]

Four playoff games is damn near the same result as this year lmao we might as well try and get a better pick

[weak sierra]

New York, Indiana, Cleveland, Detroit are the only playoff locks next season and we have a Giannis. We're a playoff team.

[steady swift]

Being a playoff team just doesn’t mean much of anything

[floral flume]

U have a higher chance nabbing those "good basketball players" with a decent FRP then aiming at minimum contract players

[barren relic]

Detroit has to pay Beasley to keep him.
And find a PG.
And that's to just return the same team and hope everyone improves.

[weak sierra]

It does if you want Giannis to feel like this team did the right things to move in the right direction.

Being a playoff team i mean.

[steady swift]

If we improve and end up in the playoffs then whatever

I don’t think it will feel like improvement unless we are a top 3 seed

[barren relic]

We won't b that

[floral flume]

If u want Giannis to stay past next season on the basis that the team overperforms next year..he's leaving

[weak sierra]

Who said anything about overperforming.

[steady swift]

No one including him expects us to be better with Dame out. But it’s about setting up for the future and maybe playing a more modern game

[steady swift]

Not just Dame out but 54 million in dead money.

[weak sierra]

If we pay Bobby, welcome to the dark ages.

[floral flume]

Who is our center if not Portis

FA is grim

[steady swift]

Bobby has no market I don’t think he’s getting paid either way

Well that’s not true. He has a market but not a chance at real money

[weak sierra]

This line of thinking is short sighted.

You can't be like "What are we going to do next year anyway?" And then also say, "Well if not Bobby, who could possibly be our center next year?"

You pay a 30 year old bench big who can't protect the rim or switch on the perimeter 18-23m, and you're not serious about changing the calculus of your team

[barren relic]

14$m per, 28$m for 2 years.
For BP.
Im fine with that.

Mostly because,
I don't think management is brave enough, to get FA minimum guys, and hope they can develop.

[floral flume]

At least with signing Portis you are guaranteed something and have the option to trade him down the line (depending on the $$), trying to find two new centers through free agency has a higher chance of being a disaster then an improvement over Bobby + minimum signing

Minimum signing backup bigs tend to be pretty mid though right, I'll look at last years

[weak sierra]

Bobby isn't a long term fit.

And he's looking to cash in on his last deal where he'll get paid. 2 years for 28m is unrealistic imo.

We don't need guarantees next year. We need forward projectable pieces. Bobby doesn't fit that.

[steady swift]

No one has any money

He can’t cash in even if he wants to

Bobby getting the full MLE from a team is just 14 million. Who has cap space and can offer him more?

[weak sierra]

He's legitimately the one super attractive S&T piece we have.

[steady swift]

That would be awesome

But he’s cooked in regular free agency

[weak sierra]

We don't need to be the dumbones who go googoogaga at his 15 and 10 knowing he's not a difference maker. That's someone elses job.

And the MLE can CERTAINLY be longer than 2 years

[floral flume]

So is the solution find two guys in free agency..hope at least 1 turns out to be good enough as the longterm fit? I suppose that's fine but pretty risky

I guess we might have to take risks like that though, I don't think the FO will agree

[weak sierra]

We can't be conservative in the situation we're in. We need to be smart, and win on the edges.

[barren relic]

If we going full on,
Cheapo, FAs at the bottom of the bin route,
I think we can find 3 goons.
None will be starter quality.
But, how much worse does that make us than keeping Brook and/or Bobby?
9$m total vs 25$m or more

[floral flume]

Probably not much worse lol, I don't think we should bank on finding anyone starter quality fs from free agency..maybe they sign your three goons to stay afloat and in 2026 when money opens up find the actual long term fit

That makes sense

[weak sierra]

People were literally hammering their "MOAR JERICHO SIMS" buttons two months ago

[steady swift]

With the current situation of NBA money you might find a starter in FA

there’s just not enough to go around

For centers specifically tho, I have to admit it’s rough lmao

I don’t want him as a starter but I would happily take Larry Nance Jr on a vet min 💀😭

[floral flume]

Honestly if Giannis is ok playing on a team that is going to just try and stay afloat next year while signing the three goons then letting Portis and Brook go makes sense

[weak sierra]

Thomas Bryant stopgap come on down

Also, Paul Reed. Paul Reed is good.

[steady swift]

I feel like it’s easier to sell next year as a whole new team in its infancy than running back the same players

[floral flume]

Yea

[steady swift]

We got a bunch of new guys this year, we have some young guys already. Everyone old might need to leave

[floral flume]

AJ Green will be cinema next year

[barren relic]

Sims, Bassey, Hayes, Bryant, Reed

3 of them
At league/vet minimum.

And let both BP and BL walk

[floral flume]

I completely forgot abt Tyler Smith tbh im ok with him being the third goon

[steady swift]

Save me Santi Aldama

[barren relic]

He's more a SF than a C

[floral flume]

Yea I agree but he can probably play aside Giannis in spurts

Just the third goon

[barren relic]

Gimme a real C.
Then, Smith and Livingston can backup Kuzma

[floral flume]

In this route we can tell these FAs to come up to Milwaukee where you'll get more playing time then anywhere else lol

[weak sierra]

Do everything in your power to convince Paul Reed to take the minimum for two years.

[barren relic]

Aso,
I want BOL BOL

[steady swift]

Charles Bassey is Nigerian ☝🏾🤔☝🏾

[barren relic]

Most of those guys, won't get more than 6$m.

But, ur right.
We r waving minutes and time at them

[floral flume]

Looney tunes squad of Bol Bol Reed and Hayes

[barren relic]

Unless he likes chilling on the bench in DET.
We got minutes for him here

[steady swift]

Surely we aren’t talking about Jaxson Hayes

[barren relic]

Yea

[steady swift]

horrible hoops no thank you

[barren relic]

U seen the list

[steady swift]

abuser avengers

[barren relic]

Hayes and Sims
Seem pretty similar

[weak sierra]

Paul Reed has been good for like four years and it's insane he doesn't get more clock

[floral flume]

Really good defense for his size

[steady swift]

Sims is better

Lakers fans are begging for him

[floral flume]

Sims would be a great pickup for lots of contending teams

[steady swift]

Need him to stay put

Day'Ron Sharpe is a guy I would want

[sturdy lake]

I see what you’re saying but I see it as how the nba is shifting. Kinda feels like a slow shift from the big 3 era to what we’re starting to see now

I still think you need two stars plus a good roster

[floral flume]

14m between Rollins KPJ and Trent (hopefully this happens) + 3 minimum guys as our centers with Pat opting in puts us at 13 guys on the roster right

Don't have to use the BAE can save it for next season

[steady swift]

I agree with you, I just think “role player” covers a lot of ground, and doesn’t convey how good and tailored to the team the OKC/Indy/Knicks role players are. I don’t want random guys who are bad to be on the team for the sake of it

If that makes sense

[steady swift]

why would we save it

[floral flume]

Unless it's used this year for a two year deal, it'd be to use it next offseason when we try to be really good again

[sturdy lake]

I get you now. It’s pretty much what @floral flume was saying earlier. “Role player” can be such an ambiguous term now

[floral flume]

Yes these guys do so much more then fill a role

[steady swift]

A lot of agents are gonna be pitching their terrible guys as “the next great role player”

[floral flume]

I love it

[steady swift]

like dude

Idk why people are trying to act like Caruso and Hartenstein are randoms off the street

Hartenstein was the big get of free agency, everyone know how good he is

[floral flume]

The Pacers played 9 guys real minutes in game 6 not including Mathurin

[steady swift]

Hard to fathom

[sturdy lake]

Now come prove it in Milwaukee on the minimum 🤓

[sturdy lake]

Crazy too how Tony Bradley was getting real minutes in that series too

I absolutely despise the pacers but they play so well collectively and Carlisle has them bought into that playstyle

[weak sierra]

Both of these guys WERE legitimately randos off the street.

That's the point.

[steady swift]

how…?

[floral flume]

Maybe earlier in their careers but not when OKC got them surely not

[steady swift]

Caruso considered one of the best guard defenders in the league? Hartenstein the get of free agency? They certainly were not random

[sturdy lake]

You have not been paying attention to the last few years of the nba

[floral flume]

I think he means early in their careers

[sturdy lake]

I was begging for the bucks to trade for Caruso in 2023

[steady swift]

Everyone knew Hartenstein was amazing, only reason the Knicks didn’t keep him is because they weren’t allowed to pay him more

[weak sierra]

Caruso was undrafted and spent three years in the Gleague. Hartenstein was a journeyman who couldn't stick anywhere until he had some success with the Clippers.

[steady swift]

So wouldn’t you credit the Clippers then. OKC didn’t do anything difficult in identifying their talent

[weak sierra]

Then he signed with the Knicks for a modest 2 years 15 million which ultimately made him big bucks.

I was clamoring for Hartenstein after his stint with the Clippers in '22 all over RealGM

[steady swift]

But everyone knew how good he was last year. It wasn’t a secret in any way

[weak sierra]

And instead we ran it back with Brook/Bobby

[steady swift]

Maybe if OKC got him a few years ago I would understand

Indy has a much more credible case when it comes to random guys

[weak sierra]

That's not the point. The aim is to uncover these guys. We aren't getting known commodities

[steady swift]

So you just wanted to bring up your own point

Bc that’s not what we were even talking about

[weak sierra]

The point is that's how these "star roleplayers" happen in this league. They're always out there just like they'll be this year.

[floral flume]

Well yea that's the dream and everyone knows there r gems hidden in the dogshit

[steady swift]

I was reminded on Twitter that 2023-2024 was supposed to be our re-tool year, hence the first-time coach

[floral flume]

I wonder how many of these guys started as minimum signings though..Caruso for example first time he left he signed a big deal already

[steady swift]

Would have been interesting to see

[floral flume]

Hart did start as a journeyman low contract guy

Hartenstein didn't get a real deal till Nyk, before then Houston Cleveland and Nuggets

[steady swift]

The good news is, we have more than the vet min

[floral flume]

The BAE is like 5m?

[weak sierra]

The lowest hanging fruits are good players on bad teams that would look way better with a more identified role

like this guys efficiency is ass because he's forced to score when that's not at all what he should be doing type of thing

[floral flume]

Any players you would like this offseason that fit this mold, other than Bball Paul

One on a 2yr BAE the rest mins

[weak sierra]

I'd be watching Colby Jones to see if the Wiz bring him back, I think he has a lot to like.

Charles Bassey

Jake LaRavia

[floral flume]

I liked LaRavia in that draft

[weak sierra]

Keon Ellis isn't a free agent but he has the makings of a rotation staple for the next 5 years

[floral flume]

Yea that one feels more obvious

I don't think he's necessarily a gem find

At this point I mean

[weak sierra]

xxoxxo mentioned DayRon Sharpe already

[steady swift]

You know it’s a weird offseason when Laravia is gonna be a hot commodity 🙂‍↕️

[weak sierra]

Oscar Tshiebwe

[steady swift]

Already a bucks legend

[barren relic]

would yall do, BP or BL sign&trade for Kuminga ?

[barren relic]

Kuminga + Moody + Post
For
Portis + Lopez

Talked to some gsw fans and they declined.

But, they remain delusional about what they can get

[floral flume]

Yep

[floral flume]

This seems like a lot from their side but idk

Lots of it depends on the contract Kuminga would get

[weak sierra]

@barren relic I don't think you can add two separate s&t players together in the same transaction. Lopez for Moody is most realistic of the possibilities.

Kuminga for BP is an upside swing, and is a deal I'd mentioned/would do even if there's risk attached.

I think there are safer better fit options to explore.

[floral flume]

Did they change the S&T stuff in the last rules update?

I think it's happened in the past

Aggregating salary with two sign and trades in one deal

This was before the CBA change so idk

[weak sierra]

That tweet is misleading.

Kenrich was a s&t the other two were converted 2 ways.

[floral flume]

What about Grant Hill for Wallace and Chucky Atkins

I have no idea I'm just throwing out examples from Google lol

Chucky was undrafted but on a standard contract according to spotrac

Either way it seems like a niche example so I think ur right

[barren relic]

Yea, I think u r right.
But, we can find a loophole or transactional allowance.

Would be wild if this happened tho

[weak sierra]

Tari Eason is the ultimate Brook dream, but that aint happening and the Rockets don't have the salary slots that are preferable in a Brook S&T

[steady swift]

I’ve seen bucks fans on Twitter who want him for Bobby

Since last year actually

[floral flume]

Rockets would never

hes one of those just good basketball players we were talking abt

[steady swift]

They desperately need offense so I kinda see it. But doesn’t seem likely

[sturdy lake]

Tari would be fun

Did you guys see his mom beefing on Twitter during the playoffs 😭

[weak sierra]

Tari Eason is very very good, that's why it wont happen imo

[floral flume]

Yep

He's a very helpful player

[weak sierra]

Finished 5th most impactful by LEBRON this past season amongst perimeter defenders

[kind socket]

Hypothetically, if the Bucks were to trade their 2031 FRP, it would only be AFTER Giannis decides to stay, right? If Giannis stays I feel like we should trade it, and if we do trade it without Giannis saying anything I feel like it's confirmation he's staying.

What I mean by "without saying anything" is that Giannis and the Bucks may not want to come out and say he's staying to keep all these teams in limbo the entirety of free agency

[finite coyote]

that would be nice, if we just kinda played chicken with giannis and the rest of the league, but eventually teams are gonna move on

its not like hes the biggest FA or the first domino to drop that teams need to wait for first

if they are waiting, they're pretty dumb

[weak sierra]

He's the biggest name in the league. I DO think you play the waiting game. Teams will up their offers over the course of time if that's the route that we need to go.

If Giannis asks out, I'm not doing him any favors.

[steady swift]

yes he is

whatever Giannis decides to do is the number one story of the nba off season

I can also only hope that other teams screw themselves out of good FAs and smart moves bc they think Giannis will be available. it’s not like it’s the first time that’s happened

that being said, I think the whole idea of meeting with Giannis is presenting your plan if he stays (ex: using the 2031 frp) and seeing if he thinks it’s adequate. I don’t think the FO is doing anything until they know his decision

[finite coyote]

i just think its a non story

hes not asking out, and even if, there isnt a package in the world

[steady swift]

The Bucks front office will know, the rest of the league may be confused. Again it’s not the first time that’s happened

[finite coyote]

its such a prayer for any team to think he is gettable

[steady swift]

idk how to tell you this but every off-season review of other teams involves them mentioning Giannis

It’s the biggest domino of the off-season

[finite coyote]

sure that is Plan A for a lot of teams, but they better have a B C D E F and G, which dont stand for giannis

[steady swift]

Not just if he moves, but if he brings good free agents with him

[finite coyote]

they are wrong

all of em

its so click baity

[steady swift]

okay.

[finite coyote]

just my opinion

teams are smokin that GOOD SHIT if they think hes gettable

maybe The Nile isnt just a river in africa but im not entertaining the idea

[loud geode]

Wood pellets?

[finite coyote]

applewood smoked

or bust

[kind socket]

Okay I'm not giving up on this, but the Pelicans laugh in our faces and hang up right?

[steady swift]

From Keith Smith/Spotrac

I am one again asking who has money to pay Bobby

[barren relic]

Yea, it's what u and I been saying.
He only leaves if he gets 2yr 30$m

[steady swift]

yeah… and even then, no “overpay” seems to exist for him in the entire league

[weak sierra]

Teams will give him the MLE figure with more years.

Which is what his goal is.

So when the question is, "who has money to pay Bobby?" The answer is 23 teams...

16 of them don't have to do much maneuvering in order to use the MLE and pay him.

Brooklyn, Charlotte, Detroit, Golden State, Indiana, Clippers, Miami, New Orleans, OKC, Philly, Portland, Sacramento, Toronto, Utah Washington

You guys keep talking like there isn't money out there to be spent when there very much is.

[sturdy lake]

The thing is though, are teams willing to pay that for a Bobby, ultimately limiting some of their other potential moves? It comes down to if teams see Bobby at that value as one of their missing pieces in contending

There’s money to be spent, but in the new CBA it’s not as simple as it once was where a slight overpay on one guy doesn’t really effect the rest of your moves all that much

[barren relic]

Half those teams, have their own Bobby.
And probably younger

[kind socket]

Aren't there a lot of teams looking for a floor spacing big? Everyone says teams like the Warriors and Lakers would love to get Brook Lopez, but I feel like they'd want Bobby more.

[steady swift]

They don’t have money to spend

If he wants to be on a good team, the most Bobby is likely getting is 14m, unless he does a sign and trade

It’s basically the same amount of money as here. Maybe even less than 14m.

[kind socket]

I mean, I do think Bobby opts into his PO, but since there'll be more money to spend next off-season I think he leaves then.

[steady swift]

I’m not saying he won’t leave. I just don’t think it’s likely he gets more than 14m/year

[kind socket]

If the Bucks can't give him at least the full NTPMLE

[steady swift]

Definitely possible

[kind socket]

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Bobby accepting his PO is the right choice. You're right, not many other contenders can give him at least $14mil right now, but like I said next off-season there'll be more money out there.

[steady swift]

If someone gave him more then 14m I’d be happy for sign and trade purposes

Just don’t think it’s gonna happen unless he goes to a bad team

[kind socket]

Speaking of player accepting their PO, do you think there's anything we can do with Pat trade-wise? The only way I think we get out of it is trading for someone that isn't expiring on a meh deal.

[barren relic]

And BP is 31yro.
So, mediocre to bad teams, shouldn't be adding him

[kind socket]

I feel like there's a bunch of contenders who would love to have a player like BP

[steady swift]

Some teams just need a serviceable player.

[barren relic]

New cba,
We have seen teams trading some assets and lop sided moves, so they get out of the Luxtax

[steady swift]

A lot of teams would be happy to have Bobby, none of them can give him a legit payday

He got priced out the market at least for this year

[kind socket]

Any targets off the top of your head? I'd look but I have to go back to work.

[steady swift]

Pat is expiring now, I do think it’s theoretically easier. But I never really believed we could trade Pat in a 1-to-1 trade. He is salary filler at best.

[barren relic]

Not really.
But, everyone with team options. And guys who need new $ next season. And especially if their position is blocked by someone else with a contract already

(Next season as in 2026)

Lots of cheapos.
Which, we HOPE, get declined. And we can offer league minimum deals for

.. if not clear, those r the players that have Team Option contracts. So the team decides to keep the player or cut them. Then they become FAs

We will find out the last 10 days or so, of June. So very soon

[kind socket]

Ok so I took this idea and ran with it a bit. I looked for players on contracts that aren't expiring next year and are making a reasonable amount (~$10-$12mil more at most) more than Pat, and these are what I found:
Celtics
Sam Hauser
Payton Pritchard
Suns
Grayson Allen
Royce O’Neale
Cavs
Max Strus
Isaac Okoro
Knicks
Josh Hart
Magic
Jonathan Isaac
Cole Anthony
Wendall Carter Jr.
Mavericks
Caleb Martin
Timberwolves
Donte DiVincenzo
Lakers
Austin Reaves
Jarred Vanderbilt
Rockets
Reed Sheppard
Amen Thompson
Raptors
Jakob Powell
Heat
Kyle Anderson
Thunder
Isaiah Joe
Aaron Wiggins
Pelicans
Herbert Jones
Kings
Malik Monk
Jonas Valančiūnas
Clippers
Ivica Zubac
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Derrick Jones Jr.
Trail Blazers
Deni Avdija
Scoot Henderson
Warriors
Moses Moody
Buddy Hield
Pacers
Andrew Nembhard
Obi Toppin
Aaron Nesmith
T.J. McConnell
Wizards
Corey Kispert
Alex Sarr
Hornets
Josh Green
Grant Williams
Brandon Miller
Hawks
Terence Mann
Onyeka Okongwu
Zaccharie Risacher
Spurs
Keldon Johnson
Victor Wembenyama
Stephon Castle
Grizzlies
Brandon Clark
Bulls
Patrick Williams
Lonzo Ball
Jalen Smith
Pistons
Isaiah Stewart
Nets
Cameron Johnson

Now obviously some of these aren't by any means attainable, especially with Pat, but I still wanted to put them on here for context.

[weak sierra]

His aim should be for more years not the base rate, like if someone wants to give him 4/60 or 3/45. I've already made my thoughts known on what I think of that here.

S&T would allow those teams to use their MLE elsewhere for a different player while giving us more diversified rotation pieces.

[steady swift]

if this isn’t the work of chat gpt, you are extremely locked in

[steady swift]

I just wonder if anyone gets 3-4 year deals if they aren’t part of a championship core, in this day and age. Def don’t want that many years even if he extends with us.

[weak sierra]

Looking at least year, JV, Derrik Jones Jr, Hield, Kyle anderson, Jalen Smith, Naji Marshall, Caleb Martin, and Saddiq Bey all got MLEish (in terms of salary) money at 3 or more years, though most were like 2/3s of the MLE figure or a bit lower

Actually makes me feel better about the possibility of splitting the MLE into two players with GTJ

[steady swift]

It might be delusional, but I’ve convinced myself KPJ will opt-in

[weak sierra]

Year before it was Grant Williams, Donte, Gabe Vincent, Niang, Landale,

[steady swift]

and Naji was genuinely part of a championship core lol. obviously it got blown up, but still.

[weak sierra]

He was in New Orleans?

[steady swift]

oh dang. was he a mid-season trade?

it’s all blurring together.

[weak sierra]

No, he signed with Dallas last offseason

Are you thinking of Zeke Nnaji? Even then, wouldn't call him core even if he was part of the championship in '23, he didnt play in the playoffs

[steady swift]

I forgot he wasn’t on the finals team 💀

[weak sierra]

The dudes I mentioned were all guys who switched teams, not stayed on the same one

[steady swift]

Yeah that makes sense. I just got confused for a second

[kind socket]

I didn't use any sort of AI, but if I did it would've probably been better lol

[kind socket]

So did any of those names catch your eye on a feasible Pat swap? Maybe with a SRP?

[floral flume]

No

[kind socket]

[barren relic]

Ud have to include or look at,
Which teams have no playoff chances, but will pay the luxtax.
And maybe teams with no Cship chances, but will pay the luxtax

[weak sierra]

I floated Pat for Zeke Nnaji as a backup big at some point.

Pat's utility is probably more aggregation of salary slot, Pat plus Kuz for example gets us to 31 million coming back

[finite coyote]

Maybe a pdf file in #1366874746817613854 for this or it'll get buried

[steady swift]

I don’t see why a team would do it unless their money situation is destroyed

[kind socket]

That's the reason I went in the order I went with, it's descending from teams with the highest salary to lowest for the upcoming season.

[kind socket]

I'm fine with it getting buried, I don't like clicking on files or Google doc links myself that get posted on discord chats. You never know.

[barren relic]

Hart, Issac, Wendall, Vanderbilt, Herbert, Monk, Avdija, Moody, Keldon, CamJ

[finite coyote]

true

i noticed we are in offseason talk

lol

[finite coyote]

ill just pin it

good stuff

[kind socket]

So I looked a bit closer at that list I made, and made another list. These are all players I’d like us to get for a trade centered around Pat’s expiring contract (once he accepts his PO) that I think are actually attainable. I’m assuming we’d have to include a SRP or two on any of these trades, but I’m only gonna focus on the minimum player contracts for the trade to actually work.

Pat and 2 of either AJ Green, AJJ, Chris Livingston, or Tyler Smith
Josh Hart

Pat and 1 of either AJ Green, AJJ, Chris Livingston, or Tyler Smith
Malik Monk

Just Pat
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Grayson Allen
Max Strus
Brandon Clarke
Terance Mann
Jonathan Isaac
Jarred Vanderbuilt

[weak sierra]

Giving up AJ Green for Malik Monk would be insane

Theres too much winning basketball player in him to let him walk for malik monk

[steady swift]

Listened to the entire Warriors off season podcast and it was boring af

Only for one of the hosts to say they should get Mamu

dude.

Said they need shooters with size, somehow Bobby/Brook didn’t come up. Either they forgot or think they will be too expensive for the MLE

[weak sierra]

I actually love Mamu as a breakout candidate

Super sneaky 6th man upside

Like when we were talking cost in relation to value yesterday, he's a guy that fits the bill

[steady swift]

From the Lakers episode, they think Day’Ron/Brook/Luke Kornet are all getting more than 5m 🤔

[finite coyote]

probably

i dont think brook is taking a vet min

but whats the vet min for him, probably close to 5mil anyways

[steady swift]

I feel like 5m is what I expect for him

[weak sierra]

I could see him on 1 for 10, but yeah that 5-10m range is the sweetspot for him

[kind socket]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but how would we feel about a Dame for Beal swap with the Suns? I can understand both sides of the argument, and honestly I'm not sure how I would even feel about it. I think in order to make the salaries work it'd have to be Dame + Pat for Beal + Grayson, and I'm pretty sure the Suns would also have to decline Vasilije Micić's TO.

This is all contingent on Giannis wanting to say, which I think he does, but also if he says he doesn't want this upcoming year to be a "gap year".

[finite coyote]

beal isnt good

suns get out of a long bad contract

suns also probably having a gap year

i dont want supermaxed beal on our team

at least dame only has 1 year after this one

[kind socket]

Is Beal really that bad? I honestly think he could still be an all-star caliber player, he just wasn't a good fit in Phoenix. Even with that being said though, you're probably right. I'm just worried that Giannis doesn't go for the "gap year" argument.

I also think that Phoenix does this trade 7 days out of the week as long as Beal waives his NTC. I think it's on Giannis and the Bucks on whether or not we would do this.

If I'm not mistaken, since this would get them under the 2nd apron they could aggregate players in a Kevin Durant trade now.

[finite coyote]

yea, does beal waive his NTC to play w giannis? hmm

[kind socket]

I would imagine yes. Maybe it's just my bias speaking, but any player would be lucky to play alongside Giannis.

[finite coyote]

i imagine beal starts next year if KD leaves

[kind socket]

Beal would also start if he was on the Bucks, no?

[finite coyote]

yea

dunno if he wants our winters tho

[kind socket]

That's fair, and so far that's the best argument I've heard for Beal to not waive his NTC.

[loud geode]

There were competing narratives at the deadline: Beal will not waive his NTC, full-stop, period; and he would only waive it for L.A., Miami, or Milwaukee. (I'm inclined to believe the former.)

[finite coyote]

one of these things is not like the other!

[loud geode]

But also, things change. Would he be more eager to waive it after KD leaves? Would he still be interested in Milwaukee—if he ever was—now that the franchise's future is so uncertain?

[kind socket]

I think it's all but certain that KD is leaving Phoenix

[loud geode]

Oh yeah, he gone.

(To Houston.)

[kind socket]

I think KD either goes to the Rockets, Timberwolves, or to the Knicks. My money is on the Knicks since I feel like if Phoenix wants to contend next season, they won't trade KD to another team in the west.

Ooh maybe KD goes to Orlando instead, I feel like he'd be a good fit there

[kind socket]

I mean...👀

[finite coyote]

craziness lol

[steady swift]

We already dodged the “trade for Beal” bad timeline. why would we do it now

[finite coyote]

agre

[kind socket]

Some picks would definitely have to be involved.

[kind socket]

Ok I'm going to take a break from this for a bit, I feel like I've been staring into the abyss a little too long here. My server nickname has started to show.

[kind socket]

Ok I'm back with bad ideas. The Knicks say no right?

[jovial lodge]

Knicks would say yes, Hart played like ass

I would say hell no

[kind socket]

I’ve been seeing a lot of talk around trading our 2031 FRP which makes some amount of sense since it’s our most valuable asset right now. It’s also a pick that has a lot of probable value considering if Giannis stays with the Bucks that entire time, he’d be 36 and theoretically past his prime. With all that being said, tell me if I’m misguided here but these are player I think we could get this off-season for a trade package including our 2031 FRP:
Kristaps Porzingis
Darius Garland
Jalen Suggs
Trey Murphy III
Herbert Jones
Zach LaVine
Domantas Sabonis
Jonathan Kuminga
Jordan Poole
Lauri Markkanen
John Collins
Desmond Bane
Cameron Johnson

I know @steady swift and a bunch of us were talking about this over in #🇺🇦│general. Specifically, Cam Johnson and the 19th pick in this years draft for Kyle Kuzma and our 2031 FRP.

[barren relic]

Bane is a big hell yes for me

hard to know if Memphis is set to move forward with bane, ja, jjj

cause, thats for sure not good enough....

....for a Cship

[kind socket]

Alternatively remove everyone but Kuzma from this trade and add either Pat or Bobby along with this year's SRP, our 2026 SRP (via UTA-Protected 31-55), and our 2031 SRP.

For me, from the list I made, I would love to see any of them on our team besides KP, Sabonis, Poole, Markkanen, or Collins. I'm not sure about those player's fit on our team.

Would you think our 2031 FRP is valuable enough to get both Herbert Jones AND Trey Murphy III from the Pelicans? Theoretically, they'd then have the best package to trade for Giannis if he wants out since they could give us it back along with our other picks potentially. I'm imagining something like this, but maybe I'm putting too much or too little value on our younger players and our SRPs.

[barren relic]

Pelicans r a mess.
Have no clue what their direction is.

They should trade everyone and get at least a FRP, for each guy. Plus whatever value they can in a return guy

I don't think I'd trade AJG, in general

[kind socket]

I would also like to keep AJ Green, but I think he's our most valuable young player that teams would want for trade like this. In the case of the Pelicans, we may be able to keep him if we got either Murphy OR Jones, but if we wanted both we'd definitely have to give him up. That is of course unless we send them BP since they could probably flip him for valuable assets, but at that point they'd probably just want to keep Murphy and Jones to do the same thing.

If we traded for Bane, Garland, or Suggs, I feel like AJ Green would definitely be a part of that. Honestly, I feel like it'd be worth it too.

[chrome knoll]

saw suns looking to get off of royce oneal and grayson

i'd take either i think

[steady swift]

why?

don’t see the point in playing musical chairs, they aren’t better than guys we already have

[steady swift]

Trey Murphy will be the most expensive get this summer. The 2031 frp actually may not be enough for him.

[kind socket]

I can see the Sun's logic on a Pat for Grayson swap, but there's no way any picks would be involved in a trade like that. Also, why would the Bucks do it?

[kind socket]

dang

[steady swift]

If the pelicans really want to own us, maybe they accept the 2031 frp and a 2032 frp swap but whew. That’s lot.

[kind socket]

I mean if I'm the Bucks I do it. There's no asset that's untouchable except Giannis.

[kind socket]

So something like this along with 2032 FRP swap (PEL's choice)?

[steady swift]

take Herb Jones out. I’m talking about just getting Trey

[kind socket]

If we take Herb Jones out, but keep everything else the same, wouldn't that be an overpay?

Maybe we wouldn't have to trade AJ Green then idk

[finite coyote]

we would never

[steady swift]

well yes, that’s exactly my point. anyone who gets Trey is going to overpay.

[kind socket]

That's fair

[kind socket]

I miss him 😢

[jovial lodge]

if fckn only

no one wants kuz after his playoff performance

[steady swift]

no you miss 2021

[tawdry dome]

I miss Wes

[finite coyote]

saw him last year

called a bucks game

[kind socket]

I mean yeah, but I also miss him. He seemed like a genuinely great dude that really liked it here and wanted to better the community.

[steady swift]

Oh yeah. He’s awesome. I just don’t miss him enough for that contract

@tawdry dome

as our local draft expert, do you have any opinions on the following:

Cedric Coward
Adou Thiero
Johni Broome

[kind socket]

Ok I know it's not realistic and would never happen in a million years, but honestly I'm just surprised the salaries worked for it enough to make it possible.

[tawdry dome]

Broome is one of my guys, and I know some draft sickos are really into Coward

Thiero I don't really know much about

[steady swift]

I never pay attention to draft stuff at all but still manage to get obsessed with players

[tawdry dome]

lol what else is there to obsess over rn

[steady swift]

I’m now very into the idea of Broome even tho the only thing I knew about him before yesterday was that video from the combine

very true but I barely watch any film, it’s just vibes

[steady swift]

Speak of the devil, Mr. Vecenie dropped his big board this morning. Time to pretend I’m a draft expert

[floral flume]

Where is Yanic Niederhouse

I think his range is a tiny bit above our pick but I love him

[steady swift]

Listed at #41

[floral flume]

He would be really good here

Jericho Sims replacement

[tawdry dome]

I don’t like this idea much but

Ayton for Kuzma and Pat?

[loud geode]

Even as an Ayton hater, I would love that.

[steady swift]

I don’t see the point

Please don’t trade our best salary pieces unless it actually makes sense, imo

[weak sierra]

Re: draft, think there's something there with Jamir Watkins

[kind socket]

Is there a team with a decent pick and a bad contract? We could potentially package our SRP and Pat's expiring contract to move up in the draft

Idk just an idea

[steady swift]

Listening to the Mavs off-season preview, and it seems like Gafford might take whatever sign-and-trade opportunities there are for Bobby

or maybe Bobby would be the consolation prize for teams that miss out lol

[kind socket]

Some more maybe

[kind socket]

Wait a minute, these are horrible

[barren relic]

I don't mind them,
Cause we r getting a FRP.

[kind socket]

I don't think any of them are even a tiny bit realistic. Like maybe the Suns one, but it doesn't bring them under any apron so idk why they'd do it.

Boston is trying to get a FRP for Jrue

[slow oak]

Fuck Boston.

[kind socket]

The Magic could potentially do it, but I'm not sure they'd also give up the FRP. We could include AJ Green and maybe get the 16th pick but idk.

And I'm not sure why I even though the Hawks would do that, unless they just really don't want Terance Mann

Maybe the Magic would do something like this instead, but idk

[tawdry dome]

Honestly, if Cole Anthony hadn't had that ridiculous playoff game, I think he'd be a good target

but after that game idk if the Magic would trade him

hmmm

[chrome knoll]

why in the world would the hornets do that

[tawdry dome]

Cheaper, vet in the locker room

[chrome knoll]

oh

forgot he was out til like january

[tawdry dome]

yeah that too

[chrome knoll]

I like grant as a player

i don't know if they would part with him

[weak sierra]

I actually kind of love the idea of taking the injury flyer on Grant Williams as a buy low. Especially in a gap year.

But I don't think that contract is bad enough with one year left that they just cut the money for Pat

[steady swift]

I read that they are exploring trades for him and Isaac

they already have too many bigs so idk what a trade would even look like

just give me da Silva and call it a day 🫴🏾

[barren relic]

i hate grant williams

but,
thast the kind of trade we should fish for

[weak sierra]

lol you hate playing AGAINST grant williams 🤣

[barren relic]

also true

but, i dont like the player or the person he is on the court

[weak sierra]

Whats the issue with him off court?

[steady swift]

Hawks off-season preview expects Larry Nance to get a lot of money on the free agent market

Ignoring that and believing he’ll take our vet min

[finite coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

[steady swift]

If this is the actual number, you can certainly pay Gary + KPJ + give Rollins a significant raise with the MLE https://fixupx.com/ldsportnba/status/1932857069884809228?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

Blake Stern (@ldsportnba)

This makes sense if MIL intends to keep KPJ. His veteran minimum salary for 2025-26 is a slight raise ($2,667,947) and will only count as $2,296,274 towards the salary cap and tax, giving the Bucks tax savings if they keep him and go into the tax

Quoting Michael Scotto (@MikeAScotto)
︀
Milwaukee Bucks guard Kevin Porter Jr. is expected to decline his $2.55 million player option for the 2025-26 season, sources told @hoopshype. Milwaukee hopes to keep him next season, sources said. He averaged 11.7 points, 3.9 boards and 3.7 assists in 19.9 minutes with Milwaukee

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FixupX · Jun 11, 2025, 5:46 PM

2.67 million - KPJ
9.1 million - Gary
2.3 million - Rollins

[chrome knoll]

are we all assuming TP and Sims back on minimums?

[steady swift]

Sims yes but maybe more than a minimum. I expect TP to be gone

[chrome knoll]

you think he gets more elsewhere?

[steady swift]

Yep

Maybe not a contender but he can be useful for a lot of teams

[chrome knoll]

fair enough. I would have liked him a lot more here if he play 10 less minutes per game and 100% more minutes not at the 2

[weak sierra]

I don't think we need to give Rollins a significant raise, he was a guy on a 2 way. If we give him the league minimum, I think that's attractive enough. With the figures reported for GTJ, we may be able to split the MLE between he and KPJ, preserving the BAE for someone else

[steady swift]

Even if he doesn’t get a raise, he still needs to be paid for next year, likely with the MLE. Has has no contract as of now

[weak sierra]

Right, we don't need the MLE or exceptions to do that. He didn't price himself out of a minimum

He was a converted two way

Two year minimum for him gives us full bird at conclusion of deal

His minimum starts at like 2.4ish I think

[steady swift]

Didn’t realize we can pay him without using the MLE

It would be interesting if we had some money left over 👀

[weak sierra]

You don't need any exceptions to sign a player to a minimum deal

an agent gets any guaranteed money off of a two way and they thank their lucky stars

[steady swift]

Will be very interesting to see what Gary gets, and if we have any substantial money left over

[barren relic]

This is correct

We can sign anyone we want to league minimum and vet minimum deals

No matter our Luxury Tax or Apron scenarios

[tawdry dome]

We wouldn't have to use the MLE on KPJ in this case, its a minimum

https://x.com/gerywoelfel/status/1932604504374923278?s=46&t=JWERVaYtHzpnpN8qpNeOkw I know its Gery, but he absolutely still has connections somewhere

[rough canopy]

https://fxtwitter.com/gerywoelfel/status/1932604504374923278

Gery Woelfel (@GeryWoelfel)

For a team that doesn’t have a first-round draft pick, the Bucks have shown more than a passing interest in several projected first rounders.
︀︀That includes Carter Bryant, an athletic 3-and-D wing from Arizona, and shooting guard Nique Clifford of Colorado St.
︀︀Both players interviewed with the Bucks and are regarded as mid-first round selections.

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FxTwitter · Jun 11, 2025, 1:03 AM

[steady swift]

wow even more money to play with

GTJ - 8.4 million
Day’Ron Sharpe - 5.7 million

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26155047

[steady swift]

after he predicted AJ I have to believe him on draft stuff lmao

[tawdry dome]

both of them are wings, Bryant is younger, more aggressive and with a longer wingspan, Clifford is more of a versatile swiss army knife kinda guy

lol I had my suspicions and checked myself: Clifford is by far the oldest guy to be consistently mock drafted to the first round

[steady swift]

I had already convinced myself that if we move up it’s for a wing

[tawdry dome]

yeah there's no obvious stand out big like Kel'el and somehow we've got a surplus of young guards if we keep the guys we're expected to

[steady swift]

yep. it feels kinda weird since we’re used to being old, but there’s no reason to mess with our young guard rotation

there’s a variety of bigs on the free agent market who might be in our price range, plus we can bring Sims back, and Bobby might return too

wings have been the glaring issue for years and there seem to be a decent amount in this draft

[tawdry dome]

Okay I will amend that Maluach will probably be a great big, I am just a Duke hater lol

[steady swift]

lmao

well I don’t see how we could trade high enough for him anyways

[tawdry dome]

dorkin around here

imagine that 2027 pick is actually just the less favorable of the Thunder's 2027 frps

[finite coyote]

that 2031 pick gonna be a top 5 pick

[tawdry dome]

lol yeah

the goal... is that we simply hit on all of our draft picks and trade our more-future picks for near-future picks in perpetuity

[finite coyote]

who needs future picks

[tawdry dome]

but in general, if we're trading into this draft, that will mean we're trading the 2031, and if we're trading 2031, we need more than just one pick in this draft, and if we're getting multiple picks back, we need picks in odd numbered years where we don't have the rights to any first round pick

maybe swap #24 this year for less favorable 2029 thunder pick and a random second

[chrome knoll]

How delusional am I to think Gianni’s could still be a top 20 player in 31 and that pick is bait

[finite coyote]

giannis at 35 can still be good

[steady swift]

I mean, that would be amazing, but no one is going to bet on it

Giannis being good and still being on the team and the team still being good… is essentially what people are betting against

[chrome knoll]

They seems ideal. Gianni’s be good forever and everyone over pays for our picks

[steady swift]

They will never give up Kenrich. So it would have to be someone else

[finite coyote]

i feel like everyone wants this except bucks fans

[steady swift]

I saw someone wonder about Jaylin Williams being available

[finite coyote]

and even some bucks fans.

remember when i said giannis wont be the first domino

[steady swift]

Houston off-season review podcast made it seem like Houston won’t pay Jabari Smith Jr and Tari Eason. Maybe Brook for Tari isn’t as delusional as we think

[finite coyote]

need giannis to sign that extension next year tho

[steady swift]

I would LOVE it to be true lmao. I think Bucks fans have deluded themselves into an awesome future after we get a “haul” for Giannis. I’m just not convinced and never will be

[chrome knoll]

I saw a tweet saying Steven Adam’s May move as well. Don’t know if it was a good source or not

[tawdry dome]

sure, why not

[steady swift]

He is probably getting paid, and Houston already likes Brook. It’s not crazy

[finite coyote]

ive deluded myself into the fact that giannis stays and plays till age 38

[steady swift]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-ridiculous-thats-not-ridiculous-to-say-that-thats-not-ridiculous-meme-gif-11489839477285394127

[finite coyote]

he will still be an all star

i like that delusion better than the delusion that we trade him and get a haul

[chrome knoll]

I can see Brook averaging 17 on Houston

[finite coyote]

wut

[steady swift]

Hmmm idk about that

[finite coyote]

17 what

17 minutes?

[chrome knoll]

Ol boy still can score

[steady swift]

He’d be a backup big tho

[chrome knoll]

Who is their starter

Oh

Sengun

I take it back

[finite coyote]

yes he can score but

1-2 3s a game is his average

every once in awhile he hits 4-6

its rare

[chrome knoll]

Throw that big boy down low and let him bang again

[finite coyote]

hes not that player anymore

i fear brook is too big and softer/slower to play down low

he needs the kareem skyhook

[kind socket]

I mean, the Nets do have 4 picks in the first round. I'm sure they'd be okay to give up the two middle ones for a probable top 5 pick in 2031

Alternatively, we could attempt to get picks #9 and #27 instead

[tawdry dome]

Oh I am demanding a minimum of three picks if we're trading 2031 for picks

[kind socket]

and leave them with #19 and #26

What about a top 10 pick?

[tawdry dome]

The Suns absolutely bungled it and still got 3 picks for their distant future

I'd... think about it. At that point the FO has someone specific in mind they intend to draft and not just "whichever of the wings are left"

I just can't imagine the Nets would give up their top pick this year 🤷‍♀️

[kind socket]

I feel like that's overvaluing the 2031 FRP, but I'm probably wrong there

[tawdry dome]

Maybe! but in my mind its the most valuable single pick on the market rn

the other thing about trading for Nets picks is unlike the Thunder or Magic or Rockets, they have absolutely nothing on the books right now

they don't have to consolidate at all, they can use all their picks no problem

[kind socket]

Good point, since they're not contenders they have no incentive to trade their picks unless they really want our 2031 FRP

I just figure since they have to most picks in this years draft they'd probably be willing to part with them for a valuable prospective pick in the future

especially if they're contenders by then they could use it in a trade for a big piece

[tawdry dome]

Right, they could be, but we have no idea who they're planning to get in FA, which is what will determine how many people they wanna draft

[steady swift]

Nets need to give us Cam Johnson and pick #19

They aren’t getting better value than that for Cam let’s be real

[kind socket]

Thats actually a very interesting idea

[steady swift]

Nets get: 2031 frp, Kuzma
Bucks get: Cam Johnson, #19, #36

I’ve posted it before and I don’t think it’s crazy. 2031 frp needs to cover multiple bases. A good player, getting rid of Kuzma, and picks

[tawdry dome]

They've got Claxton and Cam Johnson on mid 20 million per year contracts, Cam Thomas's qualifying offer and then an assortment of random young guys on minimumish non-guaranteed contracts

and that's kinda it

[steady swift]

Otherwise I don’t really want it

Nets seem to be attached to Claxton (but I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade him to the Lakers)

Cam however they have been trying to get rid of

[tawdry dome]

I'd do that deal, I think

I might ask for a 27 or 29 pick instead of 36

[steady swift]

Nets guarantee they are involved in any future Giannis trade

[steady swift]

I would love to see it

[kind socket]

I was literally doing the same thing with these trade suggestions in fanspo in another tab lol

I won't even bother posting it since it's the same

[tawdry dome]

not even any picks in 2027 or 29 in particular, just something to free things up Stepien rule in the future, whether its a big retool, a minor trade or total teardown

[steady swift]

That would be cool

Nets have three 2027 frps 💀

[kind socket]

who's picks though?

because if they could be valuable we could do #19 from this draft and one or two from 2027

Like if one of them is from the Suns then I'd do it in a heartbeat

[tawdry dome]

oh I assume they're holding onto those suns picks as strongly as their own lol

I'd ask for, like, the rights to the middle one

which ever it is

[kind socket]

I really don't want to speculate on another team's homegrown star, but I feel like it's only a matter of time before Booker asks out of Phoenix

[tawdry dome]

I think it'll depend who and what they get back for Durant

[steady swift]

He’s about to get paid $75 million/year

That man is not leaving

[tawdry dome]

yeah, loses supermax if he gets traded

[kind socket]

does he lose it after he signs the deal?

because if not, he could sign it and then ask out after like a year or two

[steady swift]

Knicks, Philly, and a swap with Houston

[kind socket]

The good old Paul George in OKC move

[steady swift]

I have no idea how a team could trade for someone that makes 75 million

[tawdry dome]

not after signing, but still

[steady swift]

Booker has never indicated wanting to leave Phoenix either

[kind socket]

Aren't the Suns having some issues with ownership and funding?

Idk, I feel like the Suns are being mismanaged right now and might implode in on themselves

[floral flume]

Nets would match fast, I think theyd match upto a pretty high amount

like 10ish

[steady swift]

https://tenor.com/view/hope-gif-19237289

He can join us and be a starter… just one of many off-season delusions

[floral flume]

I think youd need to offer him the full MLE

hes not worth that but

idk where Brooklyn would cross the line

[steady swift]

well we certainly aren’t offering him that

[floral flume]

I really like Sharpe too

[kind socket]

Ok so I went over to the Netscord to see what they thought of Cam Johnson and picks #19 and #26 for Kyle Kuzma and our 2031 FRP and they were not the biggest fans. I was respectful the whole time and they reciprocated that respect for the most part.

[weak sierra]

Brooklyn wants to leverage being new york with their money, they don't want to keep Dayron Sharpe.

If you go after anyone on Brooklyn, you do it at the dawn of free agency and limit their time

They'll let guys go over wanting flexibility

[barren relic]

fuckyes for Sharpe

[tawdry dome]

sell me on Day'ron, I don't know much about him

[barren relic]

young big.
moves well.
12ft and in guy.
but, idk if hes developed throught the season.

https://youtu.be/ssTNyDow7Qk?si=VWjBFX6IHkDR0_He

id b cool with the okc C backup too.
the other Jaylin Williams

[steady swift]

If we believe this random KD stan https://fixupx.com/dcoldestt/status/1932999956685545713?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

DColdest (@DColdestt)

The Phoenix Suns,Minnesota Timberwolves,and Houston Rockets have been gaining traction on a deal that would send Kevin Durant to Minnesota and Julius Randle to Houston. I don't have all of the details, and a fourth team is trying to get in. Negotiations are still ongoing.

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FixupX · Jun 12, 2025, 3:14 AM

Houston gets:
Julius Randle (S&T)
Brook Lopez (S&T)

Phoenix gets:
Jalen Green
Mike Conley
Rob Dillingham
Luka Garza (S&T)

Minnesota gets:
KD

Milwaukee gets:
Tari Eason

[sturdy lake]

Phoenix is in the 2nd apron right?

Can they execute that trade while still being in the 2nd apron (since there’s a S&T), or do they need to get under it first?

[weak sierra]

We aren't getting Tari Eason for Brook.

[steady swift]

I think it would have to be a broken up into multiple trades but idk

[weak sierra]

The trade cannot put the team above the first apron thus they'd have to be below that in order to execute any s&t

The team is also hardcapped at the first apron for the rest of the year

[steady swift]

Ti Windisch just suggested

Orlando gets: 2031 frp, Pat C
Bucks get: #16, WCJ

I’m ngl they don’t have room for Pat C regardless

[sturdy lake]

Think you need to ask your cousins boyfriend what the team needs to do

[kind socket]

Counter offer

[kind socket]

Alternatively we get pick number 25 instead of 16

[steady swift]

too much imo

[sturdy lake]

Adams just got a 3 year extension with Houston so this is probably dead now lol

[steady swift]

this is dead, but a million team wanted Adams in free agency 👀 I feel like Brook’s stock just went up

[steady swift]

ESPN did an article on free agents

“Bobby Portis

Milwaukee Bucks | Forward
Free agent ranking: NR

Best free agent fits: Milwaukee, Atlanta, Detroit

The deal I'd offer: Three years, $54 million.

At the very least, Portis will get an increase from his $13.4 million player option.

However, similar to Reid, Portis' market consists of signing (or extending) with his current team or targeting teams with the $14.1 million non-tax midlevel exception.

His next contract in Milwaukee could be tied to free agent center Brook Lopez. If Lopez elects to sign elsewhere, the Bucks have the flexibility to give Portis a raise and also use their full non-tax midlevel exception to bring back Gary Trent Jr. or sign a starting point guard to replace the injured Damian Lillard.”

[kind socket]

I know we're probably not going to trade him this off-season since his value is the lowest it'll ever be, but what are some players we could get for Kuzma right now? I imagine we'd have to take on a "bad" contract, but if it gets us a better player then I'd be for it. Some players I've been thinking about are:
Michael Porter Jr
Jerami Grant
CJ McCollum (potentially packaged with Herb Jones)
Anfernee Simons
Terry Rozier
Tobias Harris
DeMar DeRozan

[loud geode]

I'd be happy with any but those last three.

(Toby forever a Bucks legend, though.)

[kind socket]

It's a big contract, but I really want Jerami Grant, I think he'd be perfect on our team.

[loud geode]

2023 Jerami Grant would be ideal.

[kind socket]

Maybe he plays harder when paired with Giannis. Playing with Giannis usually brings out the best in players. I honestly feel like this could be beneficial and fair to both teams.

Both teams get out of their"bad" contracts. Blazers get an expiring vet and a team friendly 2yr contract, Bucks get a servicable 3&D forward that may start playing like a $32mil/yr player when paired with Giannis.

We become the Portwaukee Buck Blazers

[weak sierra]

Why would we retool to extend our window and do it with a 31 year old who just put up the biggest total dud of a season due 103m over the next three seasons? Just feels like bad business.

I'm going in the opposite direction in Kuzma and getting two depth pieces on smaller deals instead of trying to trade up on top end.

[steady swift]

put the hopium down, maybe this is more realistic

slide him right into the trade exception, we’d still have the BAE to play with

You can even turn it into a Pat salary dump

https://tenor.com/view/jdub-aura-nba-shai-okc-gif-9758280926946694955

or Kuzma lmao

[floral flume]

Wer gonna do all this fantasizing and end up with Malcolm Brogdon and Kevin Knox

[steady swift]

I’ll be trading Giannis myself at that point

[kind socket]

I'm not sure Malcom Brogdon wants to ever come back to Milwaukee. If I remember right he really didn't like the city.

How do you guys feel about Harrison Barnes? I know he's 33, but he shot the 3 pretty well last season, but I'm not sure how he is in defense.

Would he be a realistic trade target anyways?

Pat and an SRP?

[floral flume]

Barnes makes too much for Pats salary

[steady swift]

Serviceable but I would not trade for him

[barren relic]

Bring over Knox.
League minimum

[kind socket]

Is a S&T deal with BP or Brook for Kuminga realistic? Other teams surely have better offers right?

[barren relic]

i think its realistic, cause, whoever gets Kuminga, is gonna have to pay him to keep him

[steady swift]

what are we thinking @weak sierra

[weak sierra]

Nah.

[steady swift]

only in free agency?

[weak sierra]

I'm not trying to consolidate that first this year

[steady swift]

fair enough

observing. https://fixupx.com/ballreportx/status/1934648130097598478?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

Ball Report (@BallReportX)

The Grizzlies are hoping to work out a sign-and-trade for Santi Aldama, per @HPbasketball.
︀︀
︀︀Memphis is weighing options as they look to create space for Jaren Jackson Jr.’s upcoming extension.

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FixupX · Jun 16, 2025, 4:23 PM

[weak sierra]

I'm trying to reshape the roster for this season and provide a base line for us to be more aggressive next off season

[kind socket]

What kind of contract would he get? What would we have to give up in a trade?

[steady swift]

Not sure. But I doubt he gets more than 14m/year anywhere

[kind socket]

At that point we just keep BP right?

[steady swift]

Ideally we can just trade for him using the trade exception

[kind socket]

I was gonna suggest Pat and maybe a SRP, but I'm not sure what Aldama's value is tbh

[steady swift]

Sign and trade with 7.2m for the first year of his contract

I doubt they want anyone back because they are getting rid of him for money purposes

[kind socket]

Dang, and we don't really have any assets in that aspect. I mean we have some SRPs but I'm not sure we blow our 2031 or 32 FRPs on that

Wishful thinking I suppose

[steady swift]

Praying that Brook can get us a srp

[kind socket]

Honestly I'd prefer a servicable player 29yrs old or younger

[kind socket]

And maybe it's just my 2K brain but I still really think that Jerami Grant would rebound drastically on the Bucks.

[steady swift]

da Silva dream is dead (for now) 💔 https://x.com/andrew_cherico/status/1934673872541946279?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

[rough canopy]

https://fxtwitter.com/andrew_cherico/status/1934673872541946279

Andrew Cherico (@Andrew_Cherico)

“AB [Anthony Black],, Tristan[da Silva], Wendell [Carter Jr.], Jonathan [Isaac], Goga [Bitadze], like a lot of these guys, have value. We got calls on a lot of them, and to able to be able to keep our core together. I think, really come out with a very strong, darting lineup, and still have, growth and depth behind that team. It's going to be fun to watch us unfold. Along the way, we'll have to evaluate that. We're going to have to make some hard decisions. We have a little window where we get to see how that plays out a little bit, and in the meantime, we do expect ourselves to be a factor in the East.”

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FxTwitter · Jun 16, 2025, 6:06 PM

[kind socket]

Is there a way in hell that we could somehow get Mikal Bridges from the Knicks? No way right? Not unless there was a 3-team trade with another team like Phoenix or something.

[steady swift]

No 💀

[steady swift]

“The Thunder might not even have a roster spot at their disposal for both of their first-round picks, so it's unclear exactly which direction they will go on draft night.”

from the ESPN mock draft

if the 2031 frp is being moved, I can easily see Presti wanting it

[weak sierra]

My fingers are crossed for Jamir Watkins

[kind socket]

I'm sure I've asked this before, but if the Lakers really want Brook, do you think we could S&T him for Rui?

[weak sierra]

No

Vanderbilt or Vincent would be the guys

[sturdy lake]

Surely Memphis should just give us GG

[kind socket]

Ok so I know we're not going to trade Dame, and I am 2K-brained, but I've always wanted to see Dejounte Murray play with Giannis. IF the Bucks were ever going to trade Dame, would this be a realistic package? We would probably have to throw in a few SRPs. I'd say also a 2032 FRP swap, but I'm not sure that's even possible, and even if it was I'd ask for Tre instead of Herb then.

[steady swift]

listening to a podcast on the Nets, and there’s a chance they renounce their cap hold on Sharpe

[tawdry dome]

I was trying to trick myself into buying low on CJ McCollum but nah

These past few years have shown us over and over that if you want to be a playoff team, you can’t have guys that are negatives on defense

[steady swift]

that’s a hell no from me, unfortunately

[barren relic]

yup.
u and i been talking about Sharpe.
that 5$m BiA, can get him

[steady swift]

It sounds like Nets fans want to keep him. but if the Nets prioritize taking on bad contracts and getting pick compensation, maybe keeping Sharpe is less important

Podcast also informed me they are trying to move up in the draft with pick 8 + 26

#thinking

Him or Santi signed into the TPE, the other with the biannual

https://fixupx.com/thedunkcentral/status/1935093057843568830?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

NBACentral (@TheDunkCentral)

The Lakers have been showing interest in Nic Claxton, Robert Williams III, and Walker Kessler on the trade market, while also monitoring Brook Lopez and Clint Capela as potential backups to whoever they acquire as their starting center, per @AnthonyIrwinLA
︀︀
︀︀“Sources close to the team reiterated that the internal plan is to trade for their starting center – sources say they've held conversations with other teams about Nic Claxton, Robert Williams, Walker Kessler and others – then, ideally, use the taxpayer midlevel on his backup – Brook Lopez and Clint Capela are the two names most often linked to the Lakers. It's a solid plan that they're considered likely to be able to execute.”
︀︀
︀︀(Via clutchpoints.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/sources-lakers-running-into-a-familiar-problem-in-trade-talks))

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FixupX · Jun 17, 2025, 9:51 PM

[barren relic]

very interesting.
maybe a bit too risky for the nets

[finite coyote]

whole mle on lopez?!

[barren relic]

14$m

[steady swift]

They have picks 8/19/26/27/36 and are trying to move up in the draft. they can’t keep all of those picks. the Nets podcast guy made 19 seem unimportant to them

especially if they end up going into the top 10, or get pick 14 by helping the spurs facilitate a trade

[barren relic]

im all for it.
kk out and that FRP for more FRPs that we can work with (eventually trade HA)

[steady swift]

I truly feel like the Nets are our best chance at getting into the first round, even if a deal ends up looking different

Whether you want Giannis or another big star, that 2031 frp is amazing

[kind socket]

I went over to the Netscord the other day and asked what they thought about a trade idea, and everyone there really didn't value our 2031 FRP. From what I remember, I mentioned their young core, and they said "what young core?". They said they wanted the team to use the picks to build that young core.

[steady swift]

well they are discord users not the GM.

I’m sure they are tired of watching a team with little direction/taking scraps from other trades. I would want a young core if I was them too

bc they definitely don’t have one lmao.

if the Nets move up even more, maybe they care less about 19. but it’s ultimately what the GM prioritizes. if they really want a big star they don’t need a million rookies rn

[steady swift]

https://fixupx.com/tiwindisch/status/1935299255624716460?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

Ti Windisch (@TiWindisch)

Great note. The Bucks (and other teams) bi-annual exception would be basically at this number

Quoting Richie (@richierandall)
︀
In the process of writing about Jake LaRavia as a FA target for Charlotte. I’ll talk about the pros/cons of his game in the piece but…
︀︀
︀︀There’s a financial advantage for Charlotte. Sacramento are unable to offer him a contract above $5.2 million, his declined rookie option.

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FixupX · Jun 18, 2025, 11:31 AM

[steady swift]

Great article on Sims, outlines the reasons he will probably get more than the vet minimum https://www.brewhoop.com/2025/6/19/24447502/nba-free-agency-milwaukee-bucks-jericho-sims

[barren relic]

5$m BiA

im fine with that.

hard to guess right now who else we could get for that.
and, do we want to wait and see who is left, and then use that 5$m ?

[steady swift]

We have his birds rights

So don’t have to use the biannual thankfully

[barren relic]

first time im hearing this

and,
sweet

[steady swift]

yep it’s great news. article sort of mentions how other teams might try to use their biannual on him

I know the lakers will try

[sturdy lake]

I hope he thinks logically that doc gave him actual minutes

And going to LA, he’s not guaranteed that

[barren relic]

is there a limit in the increase of $ we can give?

i dont think so.

[steady swift]

Yeah I don’t think so

[barren relic]

would the Bucks offer 6$m, just to beat that 5$m BiA other teams can give ?

[sturdy lake]

I think they can give him up 175% of his previous salary? Idk

[barren relic]

shite. possibly more $ than kpj is gonna get

[steady swift]

Jake Fischer just claimed Santi Aldama might be the top free agent this summer 💀

Bobby in shambles

[steady swift]

thankfully no

we have his full bird rights, there are no limits

If we had his early bird rights, the 175% thing would apply

[sturdy lake]

Ah was it because they acquired him via trade that they get full rights?

[steady swift]

I think it’s bc the was with the Knicks for three years

[sturdy lake]

I read that it was 3 seasons consecutively to get full bird rights so that would make sense then if his Knicks years counted

[steady swift]

As a general note, there are THREE surefire prospects for next year’s draft. No one can tell me that bad teams won’t be tanking for 2025-2026

[sturdy lake]

I’m dumb so

Who are the prospects lol

[steady swift]

Cam Boozer

AJ Dybantsa

[sturdy lake]

Are there boozer twins?

Or am I just think of Matt Barnes lol

Oh no there is but why the fuck is one 6’9 and the other is only 6’5 😭

[steady swift]

Darryn Peterson

[steady swift]

Yeah but only one is a top prospect lol

Idk anything beyond that tho

[sturdy lake]

Damn yeah Cayden is mocked at #40 next year

Gilbert Arenas’ kid mocked at 16 lol

[steady swift]

But yeah… no one can tell me the Nets, Jazz, and Wizards are gonna try to be “good” next year

[sturdy lake]

Even more of a reason for the nets to give us Cam

[steady swift]

exactly

Not as relevant to us but the Bulls need to trade Vuc as well

[sturdy lake]

Been seeing a solid amount of C’s fans sending Vuc to Boston in trade machines lol

[slow oak]

Fuck Boston.

[steady swift]

He needs to go to the warriors in a S&T for Kuminga

[sturdy lake]

He would probably fit well there

[steady swift]

delusion kicked in again

[barren relic]

100 delusion
but,
wev seen similar deals happen before

[steady swift]

If the Nets are really getting Ace Bailey, it just adds another dimension to them not needing all of those rookies

They will be the home of bad contracts and hope they can flip some of them at the deadline

[steady swift]

Please find a way https://fixupx.com/blockedbybamba/status/1935937205014241397?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

Charles (@BlockedByBamba)

Starters 6'8 or taller to put up 10+ 3PA per 100 possessions:
︀︀
︀︀Jayson Tatum: 34.3% from 3 on 13.6 3PA/100
︀︀Lauri Markkanen: 34.6%, 12.8 3PA/100
︀︀Victor Wembanyama: 35.2%, 12.5 3PA/100
︀︀Cam Johnson: 39%, 11.2 3PA/100

Quoting g (@freewave3)
︀
Cam Johnson is a series altering role player.
︀︀Playoff Career (38 G):
︀︀
︀︀16.3 Pts/75
︀︀60.4% 2P
︀︀41.7% 3P
︀︀65.4% TS (+9.1 rTS)
︀︀
︀︀Taken Leaps as a self creator since his last run ('23) & coming off the most efficient & highest volume season of his career.. will change a franchise next yr

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FixupX · Jun 20, 2025, 5:46 AM

[weak sierra]

You guys are talking 5 million for Jericho Sims? That's insanity.

[barren relic]

Is that a no then, for u?

[weak sierra]

Absolutely. What the hell has he done to warrant anything more than a minimum deal?

What are we even talking about here?

Guy was traded for an anemic looking version of Delon Wright on a minimum deal himself.

I don't understand why anyone wants to make him a priority. It's the same thinking that got Plumlee 52 million from us. Greg Monroe look slow. Plumlee look fast. Must keep.

[barren relic]

Its 5 or 6$m as the cost of doing business

[weak sierra]

No it's not.

How is 5 or 6m the cost of doing business when you can just sign another guy for the minimum?

[steady swift]

via clutch points

choosing to ignore the names mentioned tbh, but I also think it’s obvious that Kuzma/Pat and the frps are being dangled

[barren relic]

What other guy?
Sims is towards the top of quality bigs, that will be available

[weak sierra]

What makes him quality

Like actually

[barren relic]

We can wait and see who is available. But then we get what we get.

[weak sierra]

Just because they played in Milwaukee, does not mean these guys are quality

[barren relic]

He can defend and produce in the bunkers spot

[sturdy lake]

Switchable for the most part 1-5

[weak sierra]

that doesn't make someone quality. Just being mobile is not quality

[barren relic]

The list of bigs at 5$m and less, is pretty bad

[sturdy lake]

5m isn’t going to hamper the bucks all that much and why not resign the guy who is familiar with your group

[weak sierra]

You guys are awfully attached to a roster that wasn't very good

[sturdy lake]

It’s one guy 😂

[barren relic]

The list of bigs, is really bad

[weak sierra]

We can't sit here and say the CBA threw all of these teams for a loop and then just light cash on fire

[sturdy lake]

Are you suggesting we go sign Tony Bradley for a min instead? Lmao

[steady swift]

Sims is a “quality” third string big. I suppose it’s all relative

[sturdy lake]

It’s literally the difference of 1-2m

[barren relic]

We can only pay, others, 5$m or vet/league minimum

[steady swift]

Hopefully the GMs agree with you and he has no market, but it doesn’t seem likely 🎻 it’s funny to say but he had multiple suitors at the deadline as well

[barren relic]

That's our only options

[weak sierra]

There is no such thing as a "quality" third string big, because he's an end of the bench third string big

You don't pay 5m for that

[barren relic]

Yes, that's exactly what u do

[sturdy lake]

I’d rather pay a guy two extra million for his familiarity and what he provided in glimpses than just sign a guy to a min that may not work at all

[steady swift]

Who should be our third string big then

[barren relic]

C and PG have more value

[sturdy lake]

Like sims gave good quality playoff minutes, what else can we ask for. You don’t know who else can provide that at that price point

[barren relic]

Who is our backup C ?

[sturdy lake]

We have half a C rostered right now lol

[weak sierra]

The fact that you think it's funny shows how much youre overrating the guy on your own team

[sturdy lake]

And it’s half because we don’t know if he will even pick up his option

[sturdy lake]

?? What

[weak sierra]

Tony Bradley has done more in this league than Jericho friggin Sims

[sturdy lake]

Acting like if we paid Sims MAYBE $5m will prevent us from doing anything

[weak sierra]

Dollars add up, that's the whole thing about the salary cap

You want guys who will outperform their contracts.

[sturdy lake]

Okay so pay a guy a min to sit on the bench in entirety or a couple extra dollars who we know is actually somewhat capable

[steady swift]

I think the good news is, even teams that want Sims probably won’t pay him 5m. For example, a lot of things would have to go wrong for the Lakers if they had to offer Sims 5m

[barren relic]

Skones, u r way off on this one.
The options at C,
For what we can afford is really bad.
Sims, for 6$m, only if someone offers him their 5$m bia.
Otherwise for as cheap as he will sign with us. Which is 3 to 5$m.

[steady swift]

But the possibility is technically “real”

[weak sierra]

We don't know this.

That's the issue.

[sturdy lake]

Don’t know what?

[weak sierra]

If he's somewhat capable.

[sturdy lake]

We saw Sims give us real, valuable minutes

[weak sierra]

No we didn't

It's relative

[sturdy lake]

Sure man

[weak sierra]

You see the juxtaposition between Brook being slow and Sims, and call him quality and valuable and capable

[sturdy lake]

He was serviceable in his limited minutes. Did you want him to go off for 30?

[steady swift]

I can see a world where he gets more than the vet min, but less than 5m

His vet min is 2.46

[barren relic]

The options at C r bad.

That's the whole convo.

Add in,
We can ONLY pay Sims, cause of bird rights.

Everyone else,
Its 5$m bia
Or
League/Vet minimum

[weak sierra]

Pretty damn low bar for "serviceable"

[barren relic]

And we NEED 2 CENTERS

[sturdy lake]

He was a +7 in 5 playoff games for 86 total mins. That’s serviceable lol

[weak sierra]

It's 86 minutes lmfao

[sturdy lake]

You’re acting like we’re saying he should get 10m

[weak sierra]

sample size in the NBA matters.

[sturdy lake]

I just don’t know what your expectations are then. The market is awful

[weak sierra]

+7 in 86 minutes, is laughably noisy

[barren relic]

13$m Bobby
6$m Sims
3$m vet minimum rando

There's our center $ and rotation

[steady swift]

I don’t want to waste a trade asset on a big unless they are actually good/have potential

[steady swift]

Even with other offers I don’t see why it would have to be 6m.

[barren relic]

Only if another team offers their BiA

[steady swift]

even then the biannual is 5.1

[weak sierra]

Yes, we should get into a bidding war for Jericho Sims, do you know how crazy this sounds?

[barren relic]

Having Bird Rights as u said, we can go a step more than others.

[weak sierra]

If he doesn't want the minimum, it's been real, dont let the door hit you in your ass on the way out

[barren relic]

Go look at the options, and tell me who we can get for 5$m

[sturdy lake]

Greg Monroe

[weak sierra]

Mo Wagner, Luke Kornet, Paul Reed, Jaxson Hayes, Charles Bassey, Christian Koloko

Are all guys I'd prefer, with Wagner being the only one, maybe Reed who commands more than the minimum

[barren relic]

Ok, but, Sims is the same value as those guys.
Id b cool with,
Koloko, Bassey, Reed, Hayes

[weak sierra]

I'm not paying 5 million for those guys save Wagner and Reed

And no, I don't think Sims is the same as these guys, because I think these guys are better.

[barren relic]

Vet minimums

[hexed compass]

Mo and Kornet are both better than minimums

[weak sierra]

I dont know how Kornet hasnt caught on at this point, but teams dont seem to like him year after year

[barren relic]

We had him for a minute

I think his dad played in mke

[hexed compass]

Feels like there's a pretty good chance kornet is the starting center in Boston next year

[slow oak]

Fuck Boston.

[weak sierra]

If Boston viewed him as anything more, they wouldn't have signed him for 1 year 2.8m last season imo

[slow oak]

Fuck Boston.

[hexed compass]

That probably has more to do with their tax situation than anything else

[steady swift]

Kornet will get real money

all reporting so far says teams are interested in him if he leaves the Celtics

[weak sierra]

Why hasn't he yet?

[steady swift]

imo that’s someone competing for MLE money, not even the biannual

[weak sierra]

No chance imo

[steady swift]

because free agency hasn’t started

[weak sierra]

Meaning, he got one year 2.8 million last year, and played the same role this year

Why'd he get only 2.8m last year but is in line for MLE money this year

[steady swift]

Bc he upped his value and the C market is bad

like we’ve been saying

[weak sierra]

What upped his value?

Like seriously? 5 and 4 vs 6 and 5? Be real

[steady swift]

playing well for the Boston Celtics

[slow oak]

Fuck Boston.

[steady swift]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-gif-21712801

[weak sierra]

Right, like he did the year prior.

[sturdy lake]

Dude kornet’s value increased this year lol

He’s not a minimum guy

[weak sierra]

What increased it?

Like honestly, he went from 5 and 4 to 6 and 5

[sturdy lake]

Him playing a lot in the playoffs (and well)

[weak sierra]

and youre telling me he upped his value

[steady swift]

we will find out soon, no use in arguing

[sturdy lake]

Did you watch any of their games? KP was out and Kornet took advantage

[hexed compass]

The 7 block game in the playoffs certainly did not hurt

[sturdy lake]

The fact that you’re just box watching stats and just asking what increased his value is being ignorant seeing as he played a ton in the playoffs

[weak sierra]

Right, like he did when KP missed time in 23-24

I'm not being ignorant, I'm just not making things up

[sturdy lake]

Ah I forgot it’s impossible to get better

[weak sierra]

He did the same in 23-24

[sturdy lake]

So you watched their playoff run this year yeah?

Because you wouldn’t ask what he did to increase his value then

[weak sierra]

Or, ya know, I paid attention to Luke Kornet before the playoffs

for a whole season and another one prior

[sturdy lake]

And he got better lol. He provided them a ton of good minutes

[weak sierra]

And my argument isnt', "dude didnt you see him play" as if that offers anything tangible

[sturdy lake]

So your argument is just box score then

Not every guy just puts out stats but they do so much more

[weak sierra]

No, my argument is that Luke Kornet has been this player for a couple of years

And yours is, wow, he suddenly improved at 29 years old

[sturdy lake]

And we watched with our own eyes that he was better in the playoffs when he was thrown into a ton more minutes lol

With your logic I’m sure Norm Powell is as good as he was 3 years ago!

I’m not saying he will break the bank. Just not a minimum player

[weak sierra]

lmfao, what do you think he did in 20-21?

[sturdy lake]

I’m just throwing something out there. Don’t take it literal lol

[weak sierra]

Ah, don't take it literal when it doesnt make sense, got it

[sturdy lake]

So norm Powell wasn’t a lot better in an increased role this year?

Like what doesn’t make sense.. he was a much better player than 3 years ago. The 3 years part is where I said don’t take it literal

Just needed to throw out a random year for comparison

[weak sierra]

A lot better? No. He was in a good situation this year. He's been this player for some time, just didnt have the volume opportunity

We've seen him produce in a similar fashion a number of times prior to this year

[sturdy lake]

He was a lot better lol, he got better with more minutes. Just like that same logic can apply to kornet

Again, not saying kornet will get a shit ton of money. But you have to be realistic, he’s worth more than the minimum

[finite coyote]

cant just look at stats

[weak sierra]

Can't just say, "he improved by a lot" without anything tangible to back it up either

[finite coyote]

its not that he improved a lot

he took advantage of his minutes

played on a GREAT team

was almost always 5th option when playing

center market sucks

[steady swift]

July 6th we will find out exactly how much he’s worth lmao

[finite coyote]

hes more a known quantity

[steady swift]

I don’t get the back and forth, just set an alarm

[finite coyote]

especially compared to some of these other dudes

[steady swift]

Which we should probably do anyway

[finite coyote]

just mute this channel til july 6th lol

[weak sierra]

He averaged a double double in the 7 games he started in 23-24 and had a legitimate role on a team that won a championship

[finite coyote]

sounds like a good player

[weak sierra]

sounds like a player that topped out a 2.8m

[steady swift]

actually I lied it’s June 30

Start of Free Agency - June 30 at 5pm central

[sturdy lake]

Yeah the 6th is just when it can all become official

[sturdy lake]

You and goat eye can duke it out for king devils advocate

[steady swift]

Shams gonna be competing against the likes of “Jake Fischer” smh

https://tenor.com/view/damn-nba-champion-devin-booker-frustration-frustrated-gif-22412478

[weak sierra]

Imagine thinking both:

"This roster wasn't good."

"Let's bring em all back"

And believing that makes sense

[finite coyote]

every year players play, their vet min goes up, right?

[weak sierra]

Yeah, years of service sets minimum

[finite coyote]

dont lie to me

[sturdy lake]

I didn’t know wanting sims back at a very modest price meant being everyone back

[steady swift]

my fault

[barren relic]

Even tho,
Players r getting paid that 4year $ and so on,

I believe,
Against the cap,
It only costs the same value as a 2yr $.

And u can go over the cap signing any vet minimum deals

[finite coyote]

i see

[steady swift]

Mentioned this yesterday I think, but Jake Fischer claimed Santi is going to be one of the top free agents this summer

[barren relic]

I didn't expect him to b affordable to us

At least in the 10$m range

[steady swift]

Fischer said Detroit wants him bad. Makes sense

[barren relic]

Would be a good fit

Im interested in what DET will do with Beasley

[steady swift]

Keep him imo.

[barren relic]

Yes, he's a huge need and great fit for them

[steady swift]

Dennis is more likely to be the odd man out

[sturdy lake]

Aldama was rated as the #2 power forward available this summer

One spot ahead of Bob

[kind socket]

If we're trading Brook, I feel like we could get way more than this for him. Specifically, from either the Lakers or the Warriors

[sturdy lake]

Brook DFS S&T?

[steady swift]

Lakers not getting rid of him

[steady swift]

I mean I would love this to be true, but I’m not expecting much

[steady swift]

Bucks Realm claiming we want Sims at 4.5m on a one-year deal. All I can do is observe but it’s gonna be funny if he’s right

[finite coyote]

Sounds right?

[chrome knoll]

Per sources

[tawdry dome]

I'm definitely taking the under on that but I guess I wouldn't be shocked

[steady swift]

pretty sure we discussed this one already

but imagine if we got the gif demon on our team

[finite coyote]

i want the other jwill

[tawdry dome]

Finally learned some more about Adou Thiero and that guy might be one of my favs now

[sturdy lake]

Excited to see what t smith could give us this year potentially. Would be nice if he could be a consistent bench piece but he might still be a little far from that

[steady swift]

he seems more attainable than someone like Cedric who may be going super early. I did read something that said he probably goes by the late 20s instead of early 30s like the mocks are predicting. but just seems very attainable if we managed to get a frp

[steady swift]

Question of the day, how does everyone feel about the PG situation? Do you think we need a free agent with Dame being out? Can Rollins/KPJ be enough? Or point Giannis even.

[chrome knoll]

Point Kuz as 4th option. Love it

[loud geode]

We're looking at Point Giannis regardless. I think Rollins + KPJ would be enough; but if KPJ walks, another PG will be required.

[tawdry dome]

Yeah I don’t get the DLo talk at all if we’re keeping KPJ and Rollins

[steady swift]

It all started with bleacher report speculation 💀

[kind socket]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I think Point Forward Giannis is the way to go. Giannis is best when he's the primary ball handler, and as long as he's surrounded by shooters we should be good. My concern is that is asking a lot of Giannis both offensively and defensively, and I don't want to see him injured.

[steady swift]

I think you will certainly need another scorer which is why I’m big on using the 2031 frp. A scorer who is young and can play next to Giannis for years is the goal imo

[sturdy lake]

I really hope Gary stays. He could genuinely be primed for MIP if he goes nuts

Doubt he would actually win it but if he was a candidate then that would still be great

[steady swift]

I’m hopeful he stays tbh. Another situation where it’s not like another team can offer him more money than us. Just Brooklyn really, and they’ve got to focus on Cam Thomas

[kind socket]

The more I think about it, the more I really want us to do some sort of S&T thing involving either Bobby or Brook and Kuminga.

I'm not sure if Horst can work that magic, but if he can I feel like that would be a great fit

[loud geode]

Pat + Kuz for Jalen Green?

[sturdy lake]

Pat + Kuz for Dillon Brooks?

Green definitely has his games but idk how good of a fit he is with us

Only room for one Green on the Bucks anyways

[chrome knoll]

is TP likely back on a vet min?

[loud geode]

I don't love Jalen either...but I'll take him over Kyle Kuzma!

[floral flume]

two cheeks of the same ass

[sturdy lake]

I’d take TP back on the min as long as he respectfully comes off the bench

[sturdy lake]

You are not wrong there I would just love to dangle Kuz for a capable wing

[steady swift]

hell no

[loud geode]

Okay, Hxoxrst has spoken.

[barren relic]

A friend that hears things said, TP has moved out of the state. Whole family is gone.
So, probably not returning.
But, ya never know

[chrome knoll]

ty

[steady swift]

It’s clear https://fixupx.com/brettsiegelnba/status/1936846637449576950?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

Brett Siegel (@BrettSiegelNBA)

The fallout from all of this Durant trade stuff now lies on the Suns with the No. 10 pick.
︀︀
︀︀Does Phoenix use this pick for a young talent, or do they swing another deal for an established center?
︀︀
︀︀Nic Claxton keeps being linked to Phoenix and Brooklyn wants another lotto pick.

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FixupX · Jun 22, 2025, 5:59 PM

[weak sierra]

East now even more wide open next year with the Knicks and Cleveland being the top competition. No Boston. No Indiana at full strength.

[slow oak]

Fuck Boston.

[floral flume]

Super wide open

Magic Knicks Cavs Pistons

[steady swift]

Get some young, talented players and let’s rock

[sour dome]

Kd sucks

[floral flume]

Reports say Raptors shopping RJ Barrett

[loud geode]

Maple Mamba!

[floral flume]

TIL Barrett shot 63% from the FT line last year

Good lord

[finite coyote]

yikes

i do not want to watch that all year

[floral flume]

Esp since im pretty sure his game involves taking it to the basket right

He's not a particularly good shooter

Actually what is he good at

[finite coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/what-would-you-do-here-what-what-are-you-doing-here-gif-15498510

[restive barn]

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937354016171917821

[rough canopy]

https://fxtwitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1937354016171917821

Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania)

BREAKING: The Boston Celtics have traded Jrue Holiday to the Portland Trail Blazers for Anfernee Simons and two second-round picks, sources tell ESPN.

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FxTwitter · Jun 24, 2025, 3:36 AM

[barren relic]

YE