OFFSEASON: Bucks transaction talk!

[marsh willow]

Have a cool trade proposal? Want to talk about a pending Free Agent? Should we trade X player for Y player? Discuss it here.

[pulsar viper]

dame

[native granite]

Fire Bud resign Brook and hopefully Khris on friendly deals decide on Ingles and Crowder and then target out some minimum players who could play up to a better contract (Bobby-like), and maybe make a trade if things don't work out well

Like if Khris doesn't accept his PO things r gonna go down

[pulsar viper]

fire bud is step one but idek if we do it

[native granite]

I think we will

[rich raven]

I shared before, but will here as well

My thoughts, I feel like as bad as we saw Jrue perform as of late, he also had so many big time moments in the playoffs for us that we remember. Jrue performed bad offensively because he had to gaurd Jimmy all game and Bud didnt make any switches to help him. The gameplan did not set him up for success.

I feel like a lot of what’s led to losses for the Bucks has been a coaching problem. The stubborn schemes, the baffling stretches of offense and possessions, timeout problems/messing up on the “small things” that you wouldn’t expect.

And that’s not to say that Bud didn’t have his share of great moments with the team. To say otherwise is revisionist history. But the writing is on the wall. Although, for the core in of itself, I personally think that under better coaching, the core of Jrue, Khris, Giannis, and Brook absolutely can be a team that wins another championship. These are my thoughts 🤘🏽 feel free to expand w/ y’all’s own thoughts

[rich raven]

Ooo

[digital bough]

Current coaches list-
Former HC: Nurse, Atkinson, Dantoni, Vogel, Lue, Borrego, Dave Joerger
Current Assistants never HC: Lee, Cassell, Griffin
Rookie HC: Dawn Staley, Jay Wright, Šarūnas Jasikevičius

[pulsar viper]

holy shit

[marsh willow]

early thoughts: Bucks run it back with minimal changes to coaching staff and bench rotation. Big 4 stay together at least another year

[rich raven]

My man

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-training-day-smoke-gif-22279308

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-you-on-the-same-page-jadakiss-by-my-side-song-were-on-the-same-page-we-understand-each-other-gif-20033039

[marsh willow]

bucks arent gonna rock the boat too much

[rich raven]

Yep

Coaching change is the elephant in the room

[marsh willow]

no coach is gonna wanna come here if.... say they get a 1 seed and get fired

you reward past performance

bud buyout might happen.

[pulsar viper]

how we going to get brook back tho

[marsh willow]

but i dont want it too

brook resigns

team friendly deal

[fading coral]

Well that’s not why Bud is getting fired. Thankfully Bud showed the entire world why he needs to go

[rich raven]

^^

He showed it in so many ways

[marsh willow]

ughhh

[pulsar viper]

we not in the best money spot but i’m really hoping brook comes back

[fading coral]

Any coach will be perfectly fine if they call a timeout

[marsh willow]

game 5 was not buds fault but this isnt the place to discuss it

[rich raven]

Wait, I wanna hear your reasoning on this

Because I disagree

[marsh willow]

everyone is hyperfixed on the last play and OT

[rich raven]

The lack of adjustments all game

[marsh willow]

should have never been in that situation to begin with. the bucks players let a lead slip

[rich raven]

nothing sent to Jimmy

[marsh willow]

they fucked up

not bud

[rich raven]

Even G talked abt it

[pulsar viper]

i agree tbh

[marsh willow]

refs fucked us up

not bud

[fading coral]

let’s say the entire basketball world disagrees with you on that. no coach is gonna feel like they are in jeopardy coming here

[digital bough]

We can offer Brook anything, we have bird rights

[marsh willow]

bud should have called a time out

[rich raven]

He wasn’t allowed to guard Jimmy because of Bud (because he has respect for him)

[marsh willow]

bud should have left brook in

[rich raven]

Too many mistakes

[fading coral]

Any hopes of avoiding the second apron are delusional. Embrace it and move on

[marsh willow]

but spo had love in, which pulled brook out of the paint

[rich raven]

He’s done

[marsh willow]

whatever

thats all im gonna say

i disagree fundamentally with some of you, and thats ok

[rich raven]

Like respectfully, I can’t invest much time personally if he’s around next year

[marsh willow]

i was at the game, the players looked out of it and sloppy from the beginning

[rich raven]

because I just don’t trust it in the playoffs

[marsh willow]

bud cant just shock his players and tell them to "get gooder" again

[rich raven]

Yeah but it was so much more than that

[fading coral]

doesn’t this also fall on the coach a bit though. they looked scared and lackadaisical the whole series. why? It wasn’t like that before.

[marsh willow]

bucks never had good body language this series

playing to not lose

vibes were down

giannis missed nearly 3 games

[rich raven]

there were a couple of clear things that needed to be changed

Players are not “left with zero blame” btw.. but I would say a key component boils down to the coaching

[pulsar viper]

it’s almost equally a coaching issue as it is a player issue

[rich raven]

because there is no world where you don’t double Jimmy. Lord have mercy

[marsh willow]

yall overestimate the coach's ability to squeeze performance out of vets and all stars

[fading coral]

No he can’t make them do anything but something must change. I finally read my first basketball article since the game, and it lowkey suggested Darvin was the one who kept the team motivated.

[marsh willow]

they know how to tplay

[fading coral]

If Bud can’t get energy out of the players that is worse to me than any coaching mistake or philosophy

[rich raven]

I will agree with you that the team’s energy felt off

As a whole

[marsh willow]

so you just want a cheerleader coach?

hire thanasis

[knotty blade]

Did our offer for fvv ever get leaked

[fading coral]

Look at how Darvin had the Lakers bought in all season

[fading coral]

It was Grayson + filler + 2029 frp. If we still trade for Jae, then Bobby was likely to be traded

[marsh willow]

lakers wanted to fire ham for like 80% of the year

[fading coral]

not cheerleading, but coaches are indeed supposed to motivate and connect with the players.

[digital bough]

The Toronto Raptors reportedly had discussions with Milwaukee on a deal involving VanVleet for Grayson Allen and a future first-round pick, according to Sportsnet's Michael Grange and The Athletic's Shams Charania.

[pulsar viper]

delusional lakers fans at its finest

[marsh willow]

true

[knotty blade]

Fvv Jrue backcourt would be kinda terrible

Now that I think about it lol

[fading coral]

Do we think FVV would be running point or Jrue?

[pulsar viper]

fvv had such a down year i don’t wanna try and over pay him

[rich raven]

Was FVV all defense last year?

[knotty blade]

If we got him to replace Jrue then sure but idk what we'd get back for jrue

[pulsar viper]

fvv

[knotty blade]

Prob Jrue at the 2, that's what he played in nola

[fallow brook]

Y’all like this trade ?

[knotty blade]

His natural position is sg

[digital bough]

Unrealistic

[rich raven]

Oh. He missed it by one spot

[pulsar viper]

💀💀💀

[rich raven]

Bro wtf is that

[fading coral]

I’m not sure why Memphis would do any of this

[knotty blade]

What are the grizzlies getting bribed with

[rich raven]

Why is Memphis giving up Bane

For Sharpe

[pulsar viper]

ah yes dayron sharpe

[fallow brook]

The deal bane is on

[knotty blade]

I'd do it in a heartbeat tho for us

[fading coral]

Consensus that FVV would ruin point. Confirms to me that Horst is fine with moving Jrue to SG

[fallow brook]

Desmond bane is on a 1 year 2.1m deal just like sharpe

[pulsar viper]

nets love claxton btw

[fallow brook]

Idk why Memphis don’t resign him

[rich raven]

WAIT WHAT THE HELL BANE GETTING PAID THAT MUCH TO PLAY FOR THEM?!

[fallow brook]

but still who cares I’m tryna help y’all

[fallow brook]

He has to resign

[rich raven]

brodie abt to get a BAGGGGGG

[fallow brook]

Ik it’s unrealistic

[rich raven]

22/5/4

He’s abt to get paiddd

[pulsar viper]

dejounte type shi

[marsh willow]

claxton is like Diet Giannis

[knotty blade]

Yeah he was the 30th pick still on his rookie deal

[marsh willow]

with none of the speed

[pulsar viper]

nah that’s mobley

[rich raven]

That looks like Lamar contract before extending you’re like wtf paid that little to play

So well

[marsh willow]

ya i guess

diet giannis isnt fair

[fallow brook]

But y’all gonna get more defense and more shooting around giannis

[marsh willow]

to giannis

[rich raven]

Claxton is really good tho fs

He proved me wrong

Is he gonna be 2nd team all defense?

[digital bough]

Much improved

[fallow brook]

Prob

[pulsar viper]

claxton would be great behind a dominant pf

[digital bough]

We could probably get Dorian but he's been playing ass lately

[pulsar viper]

randle claxton lol

[pulsar viper]

he’s all defense

the mavs best defender and look what happened to them lmfao

[digital bough]

Not this season

[knotty blade]

I have no idea what Jrues value is at rn

All star but offensive liability in the playoffs

[digital bough]

Extremely high

[fading coral]

his value is HIGH

[rich raven]

Well, it didn’t help that he was set up for failure by having to guard Michael Jordan’s son the entire game all by himself 😭

[humble crypt]

Damn we down this bad

[pulsar viper]

a certain someone’s fault for not letting giannis guard himmy

[rich raven]

https://tenor.com/view/yup-kenan-thompson-saturday-night-live-agree-nod-gif-21179668

[digital bough]

Well his back was injured

[humble crypt]

I think this is what happens

[digital bough]

Plus he'd pick up fouls

[pulsar viper]

jimmy was scared to shoot on giannis from what i saw

[humble crypt]

That man

Is scared

Of nobody

[digital bough]

He scored on Giannis several times

[fading coral]

Jimmy scored 5/6 on Giannis in game 4

Trying to shoot over Giannis is never the best idea so ofc he passed sometimes, but at the end of the day he was able to do it when necessary

[marsh willow]

lets try to get back on topic

[digital bough]

Similar to my first one

[humble crypt]

If they are gonna get a new coach it’s gotta be someone who can come up with a better offensive scheme

[digital bough]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/05/2022-nba-head-coaching-search-tracker.html

[knotty blade]

i need an updated chatgpt

blud said eric bledsoe 💀

[marsh willow]

they only 2021 and back

stop feeding the machines

[knotty blade]

buddy would be interesting

[digital bough]

For 19 mil though, sheesh

[knotty blade]

i wonder if theyd take pat and grayson

[humble crypt]

Also worse defender than Khris

[knotty blade]

having a consistent shooter off the bench would be big tho

[humble crypt]

I guess

[knotty blade]

probably would just take graysons spot actually

[humble crypt]

But Khris and Buddy on defense would be rough

[knotty blade]

do we have the BAE this year?

i dont think we used it last year

[knotty blade]

yeah we'd prob have to keep jrue to hide that

[fading coral]

no point in getting another consistent shooter if we don’t have a new coach

[knotty blade]

new coach is the first order of business

[digital bough]

No

[fading coral]

Will this fanbase melt down if we trade for a 30 year old

[humble crypt]

Yeah I think a lot of roster decisions will have to stem from who the new coach would be

[digital bough]

He's only two years older than Grayson

Alec Burks could be an option

[fading coral]

is Alec Burks even better than Grayson

[marsh willow]

idk

[digital bough]

Better defender

[marsh willow]

i dont think so

[digital bough]

My number 1 target is Caruso

Bulls need to blow it up

[digital bough]

Their shooting numbers are nearly equal

We could try for Clarkson but I like guys that can defend

[humble crypt]

“Regular season”

[digital bough]

He was a coty candidate 😭

[fading coral]

Do you want Bud to stay as coach? @marsh willow

[rich raven]

💀

I mean as a year it was a good year. We were all good with the A/B grades. That’s kinda the thing with Bud. We love him in the regular season… but come playoff time, he just baffles us with his decisions.

[marsh willow]

promote to vp

check #1101626838838689932

[fading egret]

Shaka Smart

[digital bough]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[abstract arch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

just keep startin 4 for sure

[marsh willow]

shaka lol

marquette loves him

hes a college coach

id only hire a college coach if we won 16 gamess

[knotty blade]

Idk if I could hire any college coach

Usually doesn't turn out well

[marsh willow]

exactly

[humble crypt]

They’d need to be an NBA assistant for a bit

[marsh willow]

who was the last...

donovan?

hes managed to hang around for awhile

[humble crypt]

Hard to go from college coach right to NBA head coach

[pulsar viper]

yes definitely someone who has an idea of what to do with giannis

[trail frost]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-gif-26312631

[humble crypt]

No

no

not possible

[digital bough]

Jesus Christ

Y'all are the most annoying fans of all time

[abstract arch]

its possbile he is going run from the grind

[digital bough]

This shit is infecting the chat

[abstract arch]

what?

[oblique yew]

Sup yall

Jrue and midds, old and expensive.
If they r traded, the return won't be equal.
But, it could help with Youngs and picks and less $ on the books.

I DOUBT either is moved.

IMO, sign jrue, midds, Brook, and have all of thericontracts expire at the same time.

[humble crypt]

Considering Jrue has said he is going to retire after this contract he's gonna retire as a buck

[oblique yew]

Then, Bucks will have all of the cap space to sign FAs

[oblique yew]

Extend him for 1 more year

[humble crypt]

the question is which FAs will be available and do they want to come to Milwaukee

I'm gonna guess not a lot

[oblique yew]

We can guess, but, hard to really tell.

[humble crypt]

Especially if Giannis doesn't extend

Because he can be a free agent in two years as well

[oblique yew]

We can offer a max, after those 3 $ r done

It's y we have joked about getting Luka

[humble crypt]

I've never liked the idea of a Giannis Luka pairing

Just don't see it working with Luka's playstyle

[oblique yew]

More G off the ball.
Luka G, PnR spammed

[humble crypt]

That's what they said with Kyrie and well look how that worked out

It's not easy to just tell a star player to play more off ball

[native granite]

Luka and Kyrie were fine, they just don't have enough of a supporting cast to do anything

Luka and Giannis PnRs would be the greatest play in basketball rn

[abstract arch]

resign brook

[humble crypt]

You mean re-sign

[pulsar viper]

kyrie was a poor fit for the mavs

on top of that the mavs gave up most of their depth and defense

[digital bough]

I don't think he was a poor fit, they just didn't have anyone else around them

[pulsar viper]

kyrie was statistically one of the mavs worst defenders last season

they need more energy on that side of the court

[native granite]

I think Kyrie and Luka is a fine fit

Surround them with a solid team and they will b fine

But if Kyrie leaves then we will never kno

[pulsar viper]

theres no way he’s leaving

[digital bough]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[graceful pond]

I heard Khris could go to Houston and Jalen Green might be in trade talks? Go get him and we get younger.

[digital bough]

Jalen Green not ready for a contender, it would be three teamer

[native granite]

Not a fan of Jalen Green

Shot chucker no defense

Could be an elite offensive weapon in some time but rn no

[humble crypt]

Plus he has NFTs

[pulsar viper]

[digital bough]

If this was a couple years down the line then it would make more sense for us

[native granite]

On the flip side he wouldn't need to be paid till 25-26

Helps the cap situation

Injects some youth and offensive creation

I just don't think he fits here right now

[humble crypt]

I also just don’t know if Jalen and Giannis personalities mesh

[native granite]

I think he would mature in our lockerroom

Or at least I hope he would

[humble crypt]

Depends on who would still be in the locker room

Bobby said Khris was really important to him as a leader

[native granite]

Houston's lockerroom was hot dogshit under Silas bunch of selfish shot chuckers

I don't think he would keep that mentality here

[humble crypt]

I just can’t believe they are trying to go from worst team in the nba to competitive in like one offseason

Like usually there’s a little transition period in there

[native granite]

🤷‍♂️

Harden wants to go back

But that'll all be shot down I think if Philly wins a championship

[digital bough]

No picks

No point in tanking

[humble crypt]

I checked their sub Reddit just to see their reactions and even they didn’t want Khris lol

[digital bough]

Why would they want an injured 30 year old for their young guy with promise

[native granite]

Ik some Houston fans who really don't like JG

[humble crypt]

He’s an inefficient shooting guard who doesn’t care about defense

But he’s only 21

[digital bough]

He's quite athletic with a decent wingspan, with good coaching and effort I could see him being a positive defender

[neat mason]

More realistically:

[oblique yew]

GM, XEPNO.
midds, takes po. and signs for 1 more season. $ about the same. 41$m
brook, 2 years. 30$m. maybe more.
crowder, mle. i doubt he wants this tho.
ingles, vet min
wes, vet min. unless those injuries wont improve.
thanasis, league min.
JC. probably opts out. hope theres $ to keep him. but this is probably where we lose out.

before 2025 season starts.
midds, jrue, brook, and others expire.

G, BP, pat all have P.O.
Marjon, a Team Option.

so, we can actually sign 2 max contracts AND then have G, BP, pat opt in.
and also extend G 4 more seasons.
30 to 34 years old.

super duper luxury tax.
but, wed have a new big 3
and still have BP, Pat, Marjon on the bench

[humble crypt]

You’re first one was more realistic but the bar is pretty low lol

[oblique yew]

2025
pg?, sg?, sf?, G, c?
pg?, pat, marjon, bobby, c?

mann, quickley, maxey, bey, Jgreen, poku, stewert, cole, haliburton, vassell, okoro, looney, mcconnell, gp2, wiseman, zubac, ant, bagley, boucher, kennard, markenan, og, bojan, hardaway, brogdon, ingram, murray, turner, ad

could,
all become FAs, or be going into new contracts.
Bucks would have the most $ in the league.

2025 Milwaukee Bucks
PG Haliburton, Mconell
SG Ant, Pat
SF Ingram, Marjon
PF Giannis, BP
C Turner, Bagley

[marsh willow]

bahahhaha

should pin this

dang

tried to do a reminder

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[marsh willow]

hm

[oblique yew]

r we going to get notified, in 2025 about this ?
😆

[marsh willow]

yea

[knotty blade]

thoughts?

not realistic but its whatever

[humble crypt]

That just doesn’t seem realistic whatsoever

We are going to have to overpay for one guy

That isn’t worth that much money

But because we are small market we got no other choice

[oblique yew]

if u read my essay,
i have all of the $ off of the books.
so, we CAN sign 2 max contracts.
and then G, BP, pat, marjon, can all opt in / accept po/to.
so i believe, technically, its possible

[humble crypt]

Yeah but Minny is gonna sign Ant to an extension this summer

I’d be surprised to see the Pacers let Haliburton go too

[oblique yew]

i can only go off the data taht is currently available.
and all those players i listed, will be FAs or possibly out of contract.
so, if they sign before then, then, theyr obviously not an option.
until then,
lets gets some collusion going.
and gett them to the Bucks

[digital bough]

Not sure this makes us better

[knotty blade]

we'd have to use MLE on a pg

jevon/bones + a mle guy wouldnt be a terrible rotation

[native granite]

No MLE

We don't have a MLE

[neat mason]

Thanks, new CBA!

[fading coral]

Ever since the new cba came out, the only thing that makes sense to me is re-signing everyone at their actual value and trading them if necessary. Avoiding the second apron seems impossible

[humble crypt]

I really don’t seen any major changes happening

Even a coaching change doesn’t seem likely

[fading coral]

Like, why would we sign Jingles to a vet min? i want to sign him at a decent salary so I can potentially trade him for someone who’s actually good

[digital bough]

Do we have bird rights?

[fading coral]

I think a coaching change will happen but in a delicate and respectful way. And I expect some of our bench players to be traded away for an impact player

[marsh willow]

impact player?

starter?

[fading coral]

I believe so. Pretty sure we can sign Jingles, Jae, and Jevon to decent contracts. If ownership is willing to spend, I def think we should

[fading coral]

idk. maybe that was a bad word choice. potentially a better SG, or maybe a bench player who can be relevant in every series. instead of situational players.

[digital bough]

Gary Trent if he takes his P.O

[humble crypt]

We need a wing defender

[digital bough]

Who do you suggest

[fading coral]

I need Thanasis to give up his roster spot.

Really feel like it’s one of the biggest things that could help us

[digital bough]

Why

Hes a minimum contract player

[fading coral]

More trade chips

So annoying when you attempt a trade and it won’t work unless you include him

[humble crypt]

As long as Giannis is here Thanasis is untouchable

[fading coral]

I just don’t see the point. The bucks have paid him millions atp

[humble crypt]

Because he is the best player on the team’s brother

[fading coral]

I just wonder if he would consider not coming back

[humble crypt]

I mean if Thanasis goes, Giannis probs gone too

[digital bough]

I really don't see the difference, it's 1 mil in salary

[humble crypt]

Yeahs it’s literally just vet minimums

[candid cradle]

The 14th-15th players on teams don't play, anywhere. His vet minimum nor presence isn't an issue for this team.

[marsh willow]

thanasty fires up the fiserv crowd. everyone wants to see him come in and go for a slam

[fading coral]

I just want to use the salary in my trade machines 💔 let me believe there’s a chance pls

[candid cradle]

lol he's a free agent anyway.

[digital bough]

Or Caruso

[fading coral]

that’s why I’m wondering if there is a very very minuscule chance he doesn’t come back 🤔

[rich raven]

Stay away from my Thanasty

[humble crypt]

Thanasis is coming back

This shouldn't even be a question

[fading coral]

I am the buckscord FO villain. No more Thanasis and trade Bobby

[rich raven]

[fading egret]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[candid cradle]

I need my Thanasis head on a Ultimate Warrior body for a reaction!

[pulsar viper]

@marsh willow @fading egret make emoji for the man

[digital bough]

@lone scarab

[hot kayak]

Brook Lopez gone this offseason?

[fading coral]

how do we feel about this or any other trade for a starting PG? @olive jasper

[olive jasper]

Are you implying GTJ is a pg?

Cause he’s not

[fading coral]

I mean to say SG

[olive jasper]

Oh fair

[fading coral]

Discord won’t let me edit

[olive jasper]

Idk if Raptors let go of him, he’s their best shooter

We also need a backup big, we have none

[fading coral]

He actually has a player option this year

[olive jasper]

Well we don’t have room to sign him, that’s for sure

[fading coral]

Jae playing the 4 lolz

[olive jasper]

He will probably decline and try to get a 20-25 mil per

[fading coral]

Can we do a sign and trade or no

[olive jasper]

No

I think

[digital bough]

We aren't allowed to do sign and trades

But I'd do it, I suggested either GTJ or Caruso

[fading coral]

If we can’t do a sign and trade idk how that works

Hopefully he just picks up the option

[humble crypt]

Someone on Reddit said we will trade Bobby and resign Jae

[fading coral]

That’s how I see it shaking down

You mean someone who is supposed to be a bucks insider or what? Lmao

[humble crypt]

Nah just some guy

[fading coral]

Bobby and Jae already presented a weird issue where they can both play the 4. When we traded for Jae initially people wondered what that meant for Bobby’s future.

[humble crypt]

one of his points was that it was hard to have Bobby get a lot of minutes in the playoffs since he's the backup PF behind Giannis

[fading coral]

And if Giannis isn’t playing PF he’s likely playing C, and that’s what we got Jae for

I think moving Bobby makes perfect sense but iirc he has to approve of any trade

[pulsar viper]

i don’t want this lol

especially after brook ripped man’s headband off that one altercation

rather not have conflict in the locker room for a starting sg at best

[fading coral]

any other SGs you would be interested in?

[digital bough]

I'm sure that's a nothing burger

Tensions get hot in games, not a big deal

[humble crypt]

I love Bobby but it’s back to back postseason where the matchups just aren’t good for him and his minutes go down

[pulsar viper]

bruce brown if he doesn’t get resigned to the nuggets which i doubt

donte a fa

clarkson

[digital bough]

Devin Vassell could be an option maybe

[digital bough]

Fuck Donte

[pulsar viper]

i don’t think vassell a free agent next season

i think spurs wanna hold on to him too

[digital bough]

I'm not talking about free agents, we have no money

[pulsar viper]

dellavedova

[pulsar viper]

ye but if we looking at gtj and other free agent options

[digital bough]

This is assuming he takes his PO

We weren't talking about free agents

[humble crypt]

Do we need a guard more than we need a wing

[digital bough]

We need offense more than we need defense

[humble crypt]

I feel like that is more of a coaching thing than a personnel thing

[digital bough]

It's both

[humble crypt]

Like most of the time in the playoffs when we lose it's because a star wing goes off

and we just have very little to throw at them to at least slow them down

[digital bough]

We lost both this year and last year because we couldn't score

[humble crypt]

Kawhi, Jimmy, Tatum

[digital bough]

We almost won despite Jimmy having over 50

[humble crypt]

IDK offense wasn't much of an issue outside of clutch time

[digital bough]

It definitely was an always has been

[humble crypt]

118 ppg vs Heat on 47/38/71 splits

2022 it was 102 ppg

Even if 2021 it was 110.3

[digital bough]

Idrc about that, literally everyone agrees that offense struggles, idk whats the point in being contrarian

[pulsar viper]

ah

[humble crypt]

I mean if you wanna fix the offensive struggles you might as well try and get a true PG

[pulsar viper]

we need an identity on offense most importantly

[humble crypt]

I don't see how a SG like Trent fixes the offense

[digital bough]

All of these moves would be in tandem with a coaching change

[digital bough]

I somewhat agree with that

[humble crypt]

Well that's some important context

[digital bough]

Ive said for a while Jrue isn't really a point guard, he's a sg that can playmake

[humble crypt]

But we can only look at hypothetical trades as if Bud is still the coach, because as of now he is

[digital bough]

I think most of us assume there will be a new coach next year

[humble crypt]

Honestly there probably won't be

[digital bough]

If Bud is still the coach all of this is for naught

[humble crypt]

especially after the news came out

I can't see the Bucks moving on from him because what happened

[fading coral]

I think that improving our starters helps a lot more than a highly specified role player

[fading coral]

I disagree bc the problems didn’t start with game 4 or 5

[humble crypt]

I know

But still

It would be a bad look on the Bucks

[fading coral]

There is a way to let go of Bud delicately or promote him to a different role

If you think an organization worth billions is too nice to do that, I would have to disagree

There is a way to do it delicately

And making sure Bud has dignity

[humble crypt]

idk I just remember reading that Horst and Bud are pretty close

[fading coral]

It’s either Bud or himself

At the end of the day it’s about survival

[humble crypt]

I'm sorry what lol

This isn't Fallout

I just thought that was funny

[fading coral]

I mean, Horst may be close to Bud

But if it’s between Bud getting removed as coach or himself in the hot seat, that’s an easy call

[humble crypt]

With Lasry gone there may not be a hot seat

He was the one that kinda got on Bud going into 2021

and called him out after Game 2 vs Brooklyn

Who knows if Edens feels the same

[fading coral]

No owner is gonna be happy after how this postseason went down

[lone scarab]

if we resign jae keep bobby (which is probably a likely scenario) bobby will likely back up brook/giannis mostly brook and jae backup khris/lil bit of giannis/lil bit of jrue maybe as well

[digital bough]

Remember when @oblique yew wanted to trade Marjon for Jae Crowder

[oblique yew]

R u for, or against that ?
Did u change your views on that ?

[humble crypt]

That would’ve been worse than five seconds

[oblique yew]

all season Crowder,
probably better thant he version we got.

Marjon didnt help in our Cship efforts.

he wasnt allowed too

like i said and predicted, which came true

if most of the same team returns,
and if wes, ingles, crowder return, or even 2 of them.
Marjon probably, STILL, doesnt play much

[humble crypt]

I’ve now learned to never get excited about mid season trades for the Bucks

Because besides PJ none of them have worked out

Mirotic did nothing then left, Serge was lol, and Jae was disappointing

[oblique yew]

i think at one point,
we reviewed every single trade deadline trade, in our lifetimes.
and only 4 of them, actually worked out

not just for the Bucks, but for the league

[humble crypt]

One of them was Marc Gasol

[oblique yew]

jrue, carter ?, dragic ?
allen, pat, marjon
midds, ingles ?, wes ?
G, bp, thanasis
brolo, meyers ?, c ?
2 way : aj ?, wiggs ?

[oblique yew]

cheapo guys, out of contract :
nunn, Jholiday, diallo, Cjoseph, harkless, Jgree, winslow, stanleyJ, len, burke, sterling, robinL, forbes, Aholiday, okogie, Jjackson, jock, dorsey, kostas

[pseudo skiff]

All I have to say here

Thank you Khris Middleton, and Anfernee Simons, you are a Buck.

That's probably the only thing I can think of atm

Oh yeah and we need a new coach that actually makes use of our depth, and the best man I can think of is Kenny Atkinson himself, who is currently serving as the assistant coach to the Warriors

Nick Nurse at 2nd option probably(?)

Probably off topic but I am hoping we get to see a mix of both 3 point spacing for Giannis iso and also a lot more strong cutting movements from our plays. I feel like the team performed way better if they actually stay active and try cutting rather than just simply relying on 3s(ex. Kings' offense). Just want a more flexibility on our offense rather than the usual run-and-dunk iso 4th quarter. And I also wish Lopez can do his usual inside post star player Brook Lopez whenever Giannis is getting a breather, idk why we havent been doing that for a long while, not saying to restrict his 3s, I just wish we could make use of that advantage that Lopez is an elite low post player

[fading coral]

I think we have to let one of Pat/Wes go so MarJon can develop

That is more important to me than high seeding

[pulsar viper]

wes a free agent and pat still on a deal so it would prob be wes

[digital bough]

Trading a first round pick for a 30 year old free agent that is Jae Crowder is still dumb

[fading coral]

you can also trade Pat

saw people on twitter not even wanting to re-sign Brook. no one in the fanbase is gonna be happy by the end of this off-season

again i don’t see why you wouldn’t re-sign the whole roster given the new cba… but maybe i’m just dumb

[pulsar viper]

for what 😭

[fading coral]

Bobby + Pat is a fun trade package imo

[pulsar viper]

tbh

[pseudo skiff]

Can we have Brogdon back

[pulsar viper]

id prefer wes to come back more just because i’m bias towards him

[pseudo skiff]

🥺

[digital bough]

Fuck him

[oblique yew]

Ur correct.
New CBS is stifling.

[fading coral]

If the FO doesn’t re-sign everyone and trade them later if necessary, it will be gross incompetence

[oblique yew]

They don't have any trafe value

[fading coral]

Who doesn’t?

[oblique yew]

At least, not for what we need

Our entire bench

[fading coral]

I disagree tbh.

At the very least Pat/Bobby/Grayson (not a bench player but still) have value

Jingles imo still has value too

[oblique yew]

Nah.
Young teams don't want any of them.
Playoff teams r not letting a guy of value go for any of them.

Then, Bud doesn't even use pat and BP in the playoffs

[digital bough]

Why not, Bobby was a 6moy finalist

[oblique yew]

What r we getting back in return?
An equal player?
But just different?

[digital bough]

Hopefully a starter at SG or PG

I suggested Caruso, Vassell, or GTJ

For PGs id say Tyus Jones, Conley, FVV

[oblique yew]

GTJ, would be nice.
But, I think ur over valuing our own guys.

[digital bough]

Pat doesn't have crazy value but Bobby definitely has great value especially because of that contract

[oblique yew]

FVV, wants 20$m or more.
Not sure how we can make that work

[digital bough]

I forgot we can't do s&t anymore

Axe FVV, fuck Masai

[oblique yew]

Is there a loophole....

Don't have midds, Brook, others sign, do a deal, then officially sign them.

Is that still an option?

[digital bough]

I think that could work because we have bird rights for both of them

[fading coral]

Bobby has value for sure and Pat is a proven excellent role player

They definitely have value it’s just a matter of getting exactly what we want/need

On reddit people are saying we can do sign & trade but in a very particular way

But essentially we are screwed and it’s not likely

[humble crypt]

Wouldn’t be surprised if some team just throws a massive bag at Brook

[fading coral]

It will definitely happen

[humble crypt]

Sacramento maybe?

[fading coral]

Brook probably has the most value of all our guys

But he wants to stay here so I have faith we canget it done

[digital bough]

Wed be forced to match it, there's no replacement unless you move Giannis to center full time

[fading coral]

this is why i’m confused by people not wanting to re-sign him. who exactly are you replacing Brook with

Unless you completely restructure the team

[digital bough]

Yeah it doesn't make much sense to let him go

Hes a unicorn

[fading coral]

Getting rid of Brook is a blow it up move

And like you said, would be the start of G primarily playing the 5

[pulsar viper]

dallas

[knotty blade]

Thoughts?

Realistically Jrue probably isn't going anywhere for the rest of his career but investing in the youth could be interesting

[humble crypt]

Warriors say no

[native granite]

I like the trade since I'm a Moody believer but they don't have a big reason to say yes

[humble crypt]

Yeah I like the trade but the Warriors wouldn’t accept

[fading coral]

Confused by these comments

I think most warriors fans would be thrilled by this

Maybe not moody but the general framework

[humble crypt]

It just sucks that Jrue really can’t be traded since he’s retiring at the end of his contract

[fading coral]

Warriors only need a rental

I don’t really like the trade for us but I think it’s great for the Warriors

[rich raven]

Yeah nah I don’t want Poole

Ppl will be even more pissed

Now you get no defense and an on and off player

💀

We would need to put the baddies courtside every game

[fading coral]

Don’t the warriors need another big lolz

Bobby is a warrior?

[oblique yew]

Jacque Vaughn and the Nets are reshaping coaching staff for his first full season as head coach next year, parting with
Igor Kokoskov,
Brian Keefe and
Tiago Splitter.

Hawks did same on weekend with staff that Quin Snyder inherited late in season.
will have to find those names

no thanks for Keefe or Splitter.
maybe for Igor

[rich raven]

LOL splitter

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-heat-block-gif-5684800

Real ones remember splitter

[oblique yew]

IGOR

[rich raven]

His career is remembered for that LeBron block

[oblique yew]

i forgot that happened.
but, Thiago had some good times with the spurs

[rich raven]

Mhmmm I remember

Lots of spurs legends

[oblique yew]

look at Igors coaching tho....

[rich raven]

Lol he going everywhere

[oblique yew]

id snag him.

international coaching experience, brings a whole new flavor

[humble crypt]

This tells me he doesn’t stick around long

[oblique yew]

or, always valued, so always gets a job

idk who the Hawks released,
but this is who they had...

bring Nick Van Exel back to his home state

[digital bough]

@oblique yew what do you think of my coaches list?

Coaching Candidates:
Former HC- Nurse, Atkinson, Dantoni, Vogel, Lue, Borrego, Dave Joerger
Current Assistants never HC- Lee, Cassell, Griffin, Chris Quinn, Jarron Collins, Brian Keefe, Rex Kalamian, Kevin Young, Igor Kokoškov
Rookie HC- Dawn Staley, Jay Wright, Šarūnas Jasikevičius, Kevin Ollie, Jerome Allen

[oblique yew]

add IGOR now

Nurse, Atkinson
hell no for Dantoni
Vogel, Lue are ok
idk Borrego or Joerger enough.
Cassell has the longest time as an assistant.
just doesnt seem like HC material.
Wright, Saurunas, Ollie....thatd be interesting.

any of those rookie HC guys, highly rated ?

[digital bough]

Dawn Stanley is, same with Sarunas

The others were guys the rockets/pistons were interested in

[oblique yew]

i remember watching Saurunas play...

he maxed out his abilities and played killer ball

[digital bough]

Only European basketball I've seen is last years eurobasket

[oblique yew]

Often considered one of the best Lithuanian and European point guards ever, Jasikevičius was a two-time All-EuroLeague First Team selection, the EuroLeague Final Four MVP in 2005 and a four-time triple crown winner. He was named the 2005 Israeli Basketball Premier League MVP. Moreover, he is the only player in EuroLeague history to win the competition with three clubs. A former representative of the senior Lithuanian men's national team, he won the gold medal at 2003 EuroBasket, earning an All-EuroBasket Team selection and MVP honors in the process. He also won the bronze medal at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games, and the bronze medal at 2007 EuroBasket

[digital bough]

European point guard should know how to construct an offense

[oblique yew]

yea.
he played 4 years at Maryland.
another 4 inthe nba, when i he was older.
and a bunch of euro ball.
even in Greece with Panathinaikos

[humble crypt]

Does Dawn Staley wanna coach in the NBA

[digital bough]

Mixed reporting

[oblique yew]

Becky Hammon, id think, is ahead of Dawn, for HC options

[digital bough]

I don't think Becky would leave the ACES

[oblique yew]

did the Bucks interview her, before hiring Bud ?

internet says, we planned to interview her

idk if we did

[humble crypt]

I’m not sure the league is ever gonna be ready for a female HC

[oblique yew]

she just talked to the Raptors

[fading egret]

How so?

[pseudo skiff]

Warriors would love this trade

I hate this for us

Jrue/Curry/Klay is a nasty guard combo aiming for their 6th ring if they win this season

considering they still get to keep Kuminga as well

[pulsar viper]

[fading coral]

Bobby’s 15% trade bonus would make this legal under the new CBA (we are sending out more money than we get back)

Make Tyus our starting PG, move Jrue to SG. Grayson is SG off the bench

Caruso for Bobby also works @digital bough

[digital bough]

Bulls need a power forward 👀

[fading coral]

I really think trading Bobby for a new starter is the move

[digital bough]

Not mad at it

[pliant zodiac]

after being over second apron (likely if they sign Khris and Brook), Bucks can’t take in more money than sent out in trades

so restrictive…

maybe there is a buffer

[fading coral]

I am keeping this in mind when I’m on fanspo. The Bobby 15% trade kicker might save us

[oblique yew]

i dont like Tyus.
dont think hes worth this much either

[oblique yew]

is the loophole still,
trade and sign guys first,
then sign midds and brook.

order of operations, to sign and spend $, before signining ur own guys and being way over the Tax.

[digital bough]

Tyus is very good

[pulsar viper]

bulls want nothing to do with bobby after his tenure there

bulls fans despise bobby

[fading coral]

I would imagine so but that stuff confuses me

[fading coral]

essential knowledge for the offseason! can we get this pinned @marsh willow

[fading egret]

electro doesnt have to do everything lol

hes busy

[fading coral]

my fault. ty for pinning

[pliant zodiac]

i think sign and trade will trigger hard cap, it’s better not to do it

[sterile basin]

How do y’all feel about bud after the brother news came out

[fading coral]

think he should be gone still but at least understand why games 4/5 felt so weird

and i think if he wants to stay in the org in some capacity that would be fine

[digital bough]

^

[coral plume]

I think its crazy we are talking about getting rid of Bud in the first place. He is 271-120 with Milwaukee and got us a ring. We shouldn't fold on him at the first sign of trouble. I have faith he can fix this.

[fading coral]

“first sign of trouble” hmm okay lol

[humble crypt]

first sign of trouble was 2019 ECF

[coral plume]

but then we got a ring, and now trouble, and then what? we don't know but I think we at least owe him another season.

Low Point -> High Point -> Low Point -> ??? I think he deserves a chance to fill in that blank

just my opinion

[humble crypt]

fact is, each time we've had the best record in the league we have lost to a lower seed

2019 is fine because Toronto was really good

but absolutely should not have lost in 2020 or 2023

[coral plume]

I agree this year was especially troubling, but I do consider Jimmy Butlers performance to be a mitigating factor in all this. I'm unsure how much control we really had over that tbh.

[rich raven]

https://tenor.com/view/doubleteaam-double-team-beerfest-doubleteam-gif-5611893

[humble crypt]

Yeah lika Ayaan said it's called a double team

[coral plume]

sure, but that doesn't always work out in actuality. We all know there is a downside to the double team. Especially if someone like Strus, Vincent, or Duncan Robinson is the one left open.

[humble crypt]

They could've at least tried it

[coral plume]

I dont disagree, it was a collapse. I just dont want Bud to be the scapegoat.

[humble crypt]

that's how it goes unfortunately

and it also isn't unwarranted

[coral plume]

I mean im not saying its an objective fact that he doesn't deserve to go, maybe its my personal interpretation of the situation but if I was GM I wouldnt move on it.

either way, we are def in a situation here.

what's your thoughts on Khris?

[fading coral]

people still wanted him fired in 2021 so idk. our offense has been stagnant/useless in the playoffs for years

and I don’t think Bud is gonna be a “scapegoat” when we are likely to see personnel changes as well

and also when the coaching choices deserve actual blame

[native granite]

I really just think we lacked motivation and overlooked Miami harddd, which is a coaching personnel front office it's everyone's problem

It's something we can start to fix however with changing coaching, bringing in some new hungry faces, hopefully just a mindset change

No matter what it'll be an ugly offseason filled with tough choices, but change is exicitinggg

[coral plume]

Ya know I could buy into that tbh, it all depends on the execution I suppose.

as far as promoting a winning culture within the org

as far as roster changes what are you guys hoping to see?

[digital bough]

New shooting guard or get a PG and move Jrue to SG

[pliant zodiac]

i think we need a derek white type - when core guys are missing shots, someone can carry the load for a quarter, right now we have many three pt specialists who can’t hit when it counts most

or brogdon… ironic we had him… how did celtics end up with brogdon… sigh

[abstract arch]

yes

[pulsar viper]

dillon?

[bronze spire]

I'm not sure how I would even feel about this or if it's even possible, but I know the Mavs have had their eye on Middleton for a while now. What if we could somehow trade Middleton for Kyrie in some sort of sign and trade thing. Is that even possible?

[humble crypt]

No

No

just no

[bronze spire]

I know, I know, he's problematic. From a purely basketball perspective though, he's almost exactly what we need I feel. He brings playmaking, handles, and scoring to a position that we've lacked in that with historically. As a human being though I can't ignore his stances on certain issues and I feel like that could poison the locker room.

[humble crypt]

No

Kyrie is a SG

Who plays like a PG

We don't need that

[bronze spire]

Then what guard, preferably point guard, would be available and (infinitesimally) feasible for us to make a play for? The only ones that come to mind are Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Zach LaVine, Bradley Beal, and FVV maybe.

[humble crypt]

none of those guys are realistic

[bronze spire]

The Blazers and Wizards could (but probably wont) decide to blow it up finally in which case Lillard and Beal might be available. Kyrie's contract is up, but the team he was most recently with has had their eye on one of our players who's value has dropped drastically due to injury. LaVine could finally have gotten fed up enough with the Bulls failures in the post season and demand a trade to try and team up with another superstar in order to win a ring, and that other superstar could be Giannis. I honestly don't really want FVV, but he'll probably deny his player option to be a free agent.

[humble crypt]

Nope

None of those guys are happening

[bronze spire]

Don't get me wrong, the chances any of this happening are like .001%, but I feel like we need to swing big here.

[humble crypt]

We can't

No assets

[bronze spire]

We don't have picks, but we do have a few contracts that are worth something around the league I feel. Any deal we make will probably involve either Khris (if he accepts his player option) or Jrue, and either Grayson, Pat, or Bobby in addition to that.

I'm 99% sure we're going to run it back with a different coach, but I just hope something will come of it. Because if it doesn't, I feel like Giannis is moving on after the 2024-25 season.

[native granite]

Yea it's not happening we aren't getting dame or beal

[humble crypt]

!dame

[light vigil]

It's never gonna happen, bro.....

[humble crypt]

do you not know

[bronze spire]

Oh I know, Bud's gone.

[humble crypt]

So it's 100%

[bronze spire]

<1% chance Horst does something big

[fading coral]

Woj implied that we will be waiting to see about coaches who are still under contract. Who do you think the FO is interested in? @digital bough @oblique yew

Obvious answer is Lue. But I wonder if they’d be interested in anyone else

[humble crypt]

Doc

[oblique yew]

I'd have to look at everyone.
Nobody sticks out right now

[oblique yew]

HELL TO THE NO

[oblique yew]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gtfo-get-out-of-here-gif-6207127

[humble crypt]

oh we may not like it, but people in the league LOVE Doc

He is also a Marquette guy

[oblique yew]

I think the league knows, Doc is a solid coach. But not a Cship coach.

Probably a tier below Bud

[bronze spire]

Has everyone gone away from Nurse? I really don't think we want him considering he was essentially fired for the same thing Bud was just fired for.

[humble crypt]

Raptors roster was ass and he didn't like the direction they were going

[bronze spire]

Is there anyone from overseas we should look at?

[humble crypt]

Xepno keeps up with that

[digital bough]

I'd love Lue, can't think of anyone else under contract really

Steal Ham back I guess

[digital bough]

Šarūnas Jasikevičius

[bronze spire]

Is this someone we can count on? Like what should we expect from them?

[digital bough]

Former elite point guard so he knows offense, here's his resume

[oblique yew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Šarūnas_Jasikevičius

just read all of his accomplishments as a player.
and a few as a HC

[humble crypt]

would he want to come over is the question

[oblique yew]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-throw-window-money-cash-gif-16491349

[digital bough]

Long shot

[fading coral]

https://twitter.com/dubs408/status/1654288553684369408?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

x - Alex 👋 (@Dubs408)

Woj explains the new CBA effecting high payroll teams and he expects a lot of trades this off-season

New CBA almost set a hard cap with the second apron

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[humble crypt]

no

no

[fading coral]

“They (NBA) want that third star for another team to be in another market. It’s gonna be hard to have three stars/max players.” jeeeez

[humble crypt]

we aren't actually gonna have Jrue as our second option are we

fuck

[fading coral]

Woj predicting one of the most active trade summers because no one wants to be over the second apron

[fading coral]

whole team might look different. who knows

[knotty blade]

Only hc options Id be ok with are Lee, Vogel and Nurse

First time NBA hc is wayyy too risky for a team with a short window

Lee is an exception because he's been with us already

[humble crypt]

idk if we go with Lee, it might just be like running it back

[fading coral]

Agreed. I think all the assistants might be gone as well

[oblique yew]

i hope Vin sticks tho

[fading coral]

Probably has a permanent spot in the organization if he wants it.

[oblique yew]

was Vin with the team, during Kidds time ?
or, joined with Bud ?

[lone scarab]

i think the latter

[oblique yew]

yea

here were teh assistants, in kidd last year

Prunty Assistant Coach
Eric Hughes Assistant Coach
Greg Foster Assistant Coach
Sean Sweeney Assistant Coach
Stacey Augmon Assistant Coach
Frank Johnson Assistant Coach

first year of Bud

Vin Baker Assistant Coach
Darvin Ham Assistant Coach
Taylor Jenkins Assistant Coach
Charles Lee Assistant Coach
Joshua Longstaff Assistant Coach
Patrick St. Andrews Assistant Coach
Ben Sullivan Assistant Coach

this last season
Charles Lee Associate Head Coach
Vin Baker Assistant Coach
Mike Dunlap Assistant Coach
Chad Forcier Assistant Coach
DeMarre Carroll Assistant Coach
Josh Oppenheimer Assistant Coach
Patrick St. Andrews Assistant Coach
Vince Legarza Assistant Coach

[fading coral]

from Jim’s article. I forgot or had no idea about this

[oblique yew]

yea, i dont want Becky withthe good hair

[lone scarab]

i dont see it really happening tbh

[fading coral]

i’ve said it countless time but idk why Becky would leave the Aces

[lone scarab]

cant really have a rookie hc especially in the back end of contention

[fading coral]

The NBA made it permanently awkward for her to return. Spurs or Portland would have made sense. Now she is in a perfect position where she is paid well, respected, and has great owners

[fading coral]

lots of good Jim articles today

the penalties for being over the second apron for more then 1 year are awful. jeez

[pliant zodiac]

cannot aggregate players lmao

might as well just combine all those and say “cannot make any trades”

[digital bough]

That's ridiculous

[oblique yew]

its making the fail this season, even worse

[fading coral]

yes… for anyone who doesn’t understand why they’re moving Bud, just know this next year could be one of the most consequential in bucks history. scary times ahead.

[oblique yew]

i hope fans understand, that, the trade value for midds and jrue isnt high. and that wed get the lower return value.
but, it is the only way to get younger players and draft picks.
which could take a few years to develop.
and they may never.

ive said this before.
but the Bucks can plan it out.
have midds, jrue, brook all expire at the same time.
and have G, needing a new contract.
they would have enough $ to sign the best FA and another allstar ish level FA.
FA1, FA2, Giannis
pat, marjon, BP
9 / rooks, vets, league min, MLEs, low $ + 2 2way guys

[fading coral]

It makes a lot of sense

Just risky. But I think everything will feel like a risk right now.

[oblique yew]

collusion and secret deals

as long as everyone can keep their mouths shut

wev had some leaks in the past

[rich raven]

How do we know guys like CJ aren’t just salty/biased when helping come up with these rules? Bro got his ass handed to him by the Warriors regime time after time so he’s making sure those teams don’t happen again ??

And if they do, rules in place make it so that they don’t last very long

[native granite]

I doubt CJ can just make whatever rules he wants there r probably checks and balances to changing NBA rules lol

Don't owners all vote on CBA rules

If the majority of owners said this is fine then it's fine

[rich raven]

Makes sense

But man does it suck

Miss the old way of how things were run

[fading coral]

bc the players don’t have any actual power in this situation and don’t come up with the rules. they just sit there to say the players were represented. rules are coming from the nba lawyers, owners, etc. imo this cba is a clear pushback against how the warriors were able to maintain their team (while ignoring the random lucky breaks they got ie down years and the cap going up when KD joined) AND the first step to expansion. these rules feels like they are priming the league and even fans for when two teams are added. aka teams won’t be able to hoard their all-stars and just send role players to the expansion draft - bc the all-stars will be spread out already.

[rich raven]

So a parity move

[native granite]

I think the 2nd apron is going to be healthy for the league personally it's just us being salty we r apart of the negatively affected

[rich raven]

Honestly it’s good in that regard but I’m just sad for the Bucks roster

Yeah

Agree there

[fading coral]

Yes and it is framed as a parity move. Ultimately this all comes down to the owners.

[rich raven]

Bro I need Packers SZN now, it’s so long away

@native granite after I do finals we should run fantasy mock drafts

[fading coral]

What I don’t like is that it essentially encourages owners not to spend. It is a hard cap without being a hard cap.

[native granite]

I think it's a good thing and it could even separate some good from bad GMs, being able to maneuver around the 2nd apron and still build a stacked squad will be really impressive but Ik some GMs will do it

[native granite]

I haven't done one of those yet I usually start in like early August lol

[rich raven]

Haha same it may be too early

[fading coral]

In theory it helps the league but also some teams and owners are dedicated to being bad and don’t want to pay high tax bills. So who knows how it will actually work out.

[rich raven]

But if I have some free time I may do a couple for funsies

[native granite]

Yea I'd be down

[fading coral]

Parity in theory is always easier than parity in reality.

[rich raven]

Good point

[native granite]

I'd say this year was a big step forward for NBA parity

[rich raven]

This year still feels wide open

[fading coral]

Maybe, but decent chance we are headed towards Warriors v Boston again lmao

[native granite]

Nah gimme the Nuggs

[rich raven]

Suns down 2-1, Nuggets up 2-1 but not free yet. Celtics are supposed to be best but they have some questionable moments, Miami, GS, Lakers are all 6 seed or below, etc.. Knicks also exist

Like it feels better as a product

Right now

[fading coral]

Hard to bet against the warriors at this point. Goes against all logic and history. But other teams have a chance

[native granite]

Celtics when rolling are my favorites, when there offense is flowing and making shots it's pretty perfect basketball

[rich raven]

I would bet against warriors

😏

[native granite]

Yea I don't see the warriors repeating

[rich raven]

But see there’s a dialogue

Some say warriors

Some say nuggets

Some say Boston

suns can creep back in

Lakers maybe ??

Heat Knicks just seeing how far they can take this

And it’s exciting on that front too (Brunson, Jimmy)

When I was growing up watching the NBA, it was a lot less like this

You knew LeBron out the East

And when warriors team started up, you knew it was warriors every year

It was predictable

[native granite]

I think if the suns can make it to the finals they will win

But I don't think make it that far

They have the best tough shot making in the league which usually bodes well in the finals

[rich raven]

I see Nuggets recipe for success as being more repeatable than Suns

[native granite]

Yea nuggets offense is real free flowing but I think lakers would beat 'em

[rich raven]

So I feel like Nuggets win the series personally but let’s see

What abt warriors nuggets

[native granite]

Lot of this is matchup dependent

That's probably the toughest one to predict

[rich raven]

I know he played warriors last year but now he got MPJ and Murray

So it’s big difference

Plus AG playing better

[native granite]

I'd take Denver

[rich raven]

Same

[native granite]

But itd be high scoring long series

Like the Kings one

[rich raven]

Denver just has to hope GS beats Lakers

And they beat Suns

Got a real shot of getting to Finals then

And winning even

[native granite]

If Lakers and Denver I think AD is gonna be a huge X factor and pull through Lakers move on

[rich raven]

Although when the Lakers offense gets stagnant or AD isn’t AD

That’s where they crawl back into their old ways a bit

It just depends which AD shows up

The 30/20 one or the 11/7

[native granite]

I also think the further lebron gets into the playoffs the more he just gets better

Like who is guarding Lebron

MPJ

Hell no

KCP

Too small

[rich raven]

AG?

was great on Durant

[native granite]

AD on Jokic then?

[pulsar viper]

ag or bb

kcp

[native granite]

AG isnt stopping Bron

[rich raven]

Yessss

Or not stop

[native granite]

Isnt

[rich raven]

Limiting

I saw him on KD yesterday and I was shook

[native granite]

The paint is too wide open with Denver I think it's the Lakers type of series

[rich raven]

He was in his grill as he was releasing

I’m like damn

[pulsar viper]

only one who can stop bron is himself and his lack of stamina

[rich raven]

KD usually free form to let go

[native granite]

Lebron is getting to the rim tho a lot more then KD

[rich raven]

Honestly I can see that

[native granite]

I think Bron bitches any Denver defender at the rim

[rich raven]

But at the same time Denver offense

Lol yeah LeBron is just like that

[native granite]

AD can limit Jokic

I think AD has been playing well these playoffs

[pulsar viper]

because they got no interior

[rich raven]

He has, although he has those games where he goes back into old habits too

[pulsar viper]

thomas bryant revenge series???

[rich raven]

😭

^The clear narrative

[pulsar viper]

when the last time he got playing time 💀

[rich raven]

[digital bough]

@native granite what roster changes do you suggest

[native granite]

Priority 1 should just be resigning who we can at healthy contracts, try to get Khris back for 30-35m per year, try to retain brook on a 2+ 1 maybe so we aren't stuck on his contract, so Khris declines his PO and we sign a 3yr deal, if all that happens then Giannis Brook and Khris contract expires at the same time

Lots of change in free agency that year

After that hopefully happens

We should according to that one guy be under the 2nd apron

Use our TPMLE on a PG idk who but I would want a PG

And then fill out with minimum players who are hungry not old

If we find the right guys we can get two rotation guys off minimums

I can't actually name a player yet gotta see who resigns and for what

[digital bough]

Rose, Bruce Brown, Coby White, Pat Bev, Tre Jones, Dennis Smith, any of those options sound appealing?

[native granite]

Coby White, but they resign him

Bruce Brown

But I don't view him as a PG

He's kinda just a good glue player who can run 1-3

[real pollen]

I can tell you right now Derrick Rose is not the answer

Bruce Brown is the best player of that crop, as Bobby said he’s not much of a primary PG but he’s an excellent secondary playmaker and has huge positional versatility

[fading coral]

Will we even have the tpmle

[digital bough]

Aaron Holiday

Is another one

Ayo Dosunmu if the Bulls let him go

[humble crypt]

this isn't scary dawg, this is how it goes sometimes

[pulsar viper]

he’s staying with denver i bet

[digital bough]

Idk why but I just feel like Sam Cassell would be an elite coach

[fading coral]

how would this theoretically work https://twitter.com/bobbysworld414/status/1655793010829934593?s=46&t=BnoeKt0WpxsWC7idHDs6rQ

𝐁𝐨𝐛𝐛𝐲𝐬𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 🌎 (@BobbysWorld414)

Welcome to Milwaukee Gentleman! #FearTheDeer

Twitter · May 9, 2023, 4:33 AM

Jrue to the Warriors or…?

[digital bough]

Probably

Id only do it if we could flip Moody for a quality point guard

[humble crypt]

Jrue for Poole and Kuminga

[fading coral]

Moody/Kuminga for BP 🤔

[digital bough]

I believe in Kuminga so I might do that

Him and Marjon as our future wings

[fading coral]

It even saves both teams some cap space

[fading coral]

ykb

[fading coral]

If warriors don’t bring certain guys back this saves them some cap space too

[humble crypt]

Time for the youth movement

[fading coral]

Warriors really didn’t get a backup big

They NEED BP!

[digital bough]

I'd do it

Trade Moody and someone else for another piece

Guard maybe

[fading coral]

let me cook

[humble crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-gif-7332297

[fading coral]

jk i’m going to bed

[digital bough]

Something quick that I thought up

[fading coral]

Kuminga and MarJon would be so special.

[olive jasper]

I like that

Issue is GTJ will probably decline his option and get like 20-25 from some bumass team

[native granite]

Y'all should start cooking up some Khris S&T possibilities because that's definitely a route the offseason could go

[humble crypt]

Idk who we could realistically get that could be a second option on a chip team

Any trade that DOESNT get you that needs to be off the table

[native granite]

Yea but what if the only option is S&T

Gotta get the most u can

It's either that or he walks lol

[humble crypt]

He’s probably gonna re-sign

[native granite]

Yea I don't think it'll happen but I wouldn't be surprised if we r forced to S&T him

[humble crypt]

Well if we do we aren’t winning a chip

Hard to replace a guy like that

And be left with Jrue as the second option

[native granite]

Yep

I just think people are only envisioning the optimal offseason

[desert trellis]

khash sign and trade sounds pretty nice to me

[digital bough]

Only thing I can think of is the Simons trade

[native granite]

Till you realize the value you get from a S&T is less then trading someone on contract

[desert trellis]

I mean ig but tbh I'm not a big khash fan and don't mind trading him too much

idk

whatever happens happens

[native granite]

Well S&Ting him is just not a good thing

It's last case

Ur basically forgoing all your leverage just so you can get some value in return instead of letting him walk

That's what a S&T is

[desert trellis]

I mean yea true

[pulsar viper]

kuminga

[digital bough]

Cam Johnsons contract is wrong but this is something I came up with

[native granite]

Yea that's the truth of what a S&T looks like

Maybe a bit more

But it'll be brutal nonetheless

I saw this today

This is a pretty decent haul for a S&T scenario

[humble crypt]

No way Memphis gives that many players

hence why a S&T probs isn't happening

Bucks wouldn't get anyone that comes close to Khris' talent and it would just automatically shut the championship window for good

[knotty blade]

no shot he gets that much in fa

[native granite]

I could totally see it from a team like the grizzlies who the rest of the core is relatively young and they need the next step

It wouldn't hurt them as massively if he's washed by when the contract is over

[humble crypt]

they aren't a Khris Middleton away from contention tho

[native granite]

They have the DPOY a young star and another young star about to get basically max money with a decent young core around it

It's about time to make a swing

Or die in mediocrity

[humble crypt]

bruh they've been a top seed the past two seasons

And all three of their big three are under 25

I don't understand why people are saying Khris is so bad and then people throw up trades like that as if we can get actual value for him as if they did not just call him bad

if anything Jrue would get you that package, not Khris

[native granite]

Idk I think you are overvaluing what they are giving us...a great backup PG, a solid backup big, a young but opposite of proven SF, and another unproven rookie

And when people shit on Khris or Jrue like "oh my god he's so badddd fucking send him to Shanghai" deep down they still know they r a good player who has value lol

Dillon brooks is still going to get MLE or higher money from somebody but the way people talk about him...guangdong

Realistically Khris is a better then average 3rd operation when feeling it solid 2nd option...hits tough shots come playoff time...he wasn't even bad in the playoffs either he was the only person keeping us alive sometimes

[humble crypt]

so why would we trade him? Do we really want to be stuck with Jrue as the second option?

[native granite]

No I still don't think you understand, this is all under the assumption the choices are trade him or walk...which is what reality will be if he declines the PO and a desperate team offers a lot of money

Don't think of this as a "so do we keep him or trade him"

Obviously it's keep him

[humble crypt]

ahhhhh

[native granite]

This is ok so either he's walking to another team or we S&T him last minute

[humble crypt]

I gotchu I gotchu

[native granite]

That's what S&Ts always are

Trying to recapture any value

👍 happy we cleared that up

[humble crypt]

Yeah I thought you meant that the Bucks should trade him no matter what and I just couldn't see the logic behind it

[oblique yew]

S&T scenarios, will bring back LESS value

this is kind of known

but, even if it was a regular trade,
both Midds and Jrue,
have less/negative returns in a trade

[native granite]

Ye

[digital bough]

Would you do the nets trade or the Grizz Lonzo?

[native granite]

S&Ts bring less value because you are essentially telling the other team we are desperate if this doesn't happen he's gonna walk elsewhere so let's make a deal so you can control where he walks and we get stuff in return

[native granite]

Grizz

Easily

I like Cam Johnson but I think other people r more high on him then I am

I also think Tyus Jones brings exactly what a lot of us crave

A good decision making and literally the lowest turnover% I think PG in the league

Just a good floor general

Clarke makes up for the athleticism and defensive energy that Bobby sometimes gets played off the court with

[digital bough]

I agree but didn't Clarke tear his Achilles

[native granite]

And 2 young dudes to inject more youth

[native granite]

This is true

I guess it would happen only under the condition that we are caught up on all his medicals and it looks like recovery is going well

But I think I'm also so high on Tyus Jones they I overlooked that

[digital bough]

I'm ngl I'd rather trade one or both them then keep them on the team

[native granite]

I wanna keep Ziare