calamity-update-talk

[thorny glacier]

i remember this one
poor fella’s soul almost escaped its body

[neat mesa]

How do u make arrows home in on target?

[summer shore]

Omg iconic gif

[polar tide]

grape beer

[ripe iris]

everything but the profaned guardians thing happened in singleplayer

[cinder mural]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3521910543
Do you have this enabled?

[barren nacelle]

Easter? I barely know er!

[hushed mountain]

[ripe iris]

there's a new one?

i thought it got merged with infernum

[desert garnet]

the main one got merged but there are still other mods

[ripe iris]

i'll try it out and see if it's better but i just ended up beating guardians in singleplayer so idk if its necessary

most of the bugs happened in singleplayer as well anyway

[worthy helm]

Will I be able to build a golf course in the dragon aerie?

[plush carbon]

I’m gonna assume you won’t be allowed to break or place things in there

[worthy helm]

As if that’s gonna stop the indomitable human spirit

I will gentrify the sacred land of the dragons

[high scaffold]

Why build one if yharim already has one

[worthy helm]

So that’s why Yharon left him

[neat dock]

this blazing star is a FUCKING LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thorn pier]

wdym

[neat dock]

mythril anvil not post wof

[thorn pier]

maybe they just didnt know before the update dropped

cuz its pretty old

[dusk bronze]

yeah we know that's what happened

[amber egret]

i can dm you it if you so choose

[strong isle]

Sure

[lapis oak]

not my fault

[neat dock]

i can blame you anyways

[lapis oak]

you can't blame me that's mean

blame doze

[grim pecan]

it's funnier to blame you

[lapis oak]

😠

[grim pecan]

besides i'm at my monthly limit of blaming doze. haven't upgraded to premium

[polar tide]

someone give me the image of the calamity sprite palettes

NOW!

[vivid hemlock]

this is your fault

[pulsar cobalt]

@polar tide

[polar tide]

thank u

[vivid hemlock]

yuhpost...

😨

[tropic jolt]

do we get an easter holiday hogday update spoiler hogletter

[steel pike]

Hi

[dusty tinsel]

Technically it is because everything in hardemode and post moon lord is post wall of flesh

[neat dock]

eats a sandwich

[dusty tinsel]

Okay

Takes half your sandwich

Checkmate

@lapis oak hello kiri why did you make that mistake

[dull heart]

hi

I did a thing

[dusty tinsel]

Hello doze

What did you do

[polar tide]

meow

[dusty tinsel]

Meow

[high scaffold]

Playing this playtrough now kids starts feeling like a chore

But the scorpio is a very fun and cool weapon

[pulsar cobalt]

nya

[stone fiber]

What kids?

[high scaffold]

The fucking autocorrect

*kinda

I wish there were more launchers

The minigun rocket launcher

Would actualy be pretty cool

[dull heart]

a thing

[dusk bronze]

source?

[dull heart]

source: trust me

(i redid the colors in the dog weapon tooltips to be cooler using chat tags)

[dusk bronze]

pog

[high scaffold]

PoG?

[dusk bronze]

pevourer of gods 👍

[high scaffold]

Why did I type pog like that

But, anyways

Stuff like this is very cool

[dusty tinsel]

Oop the font is wavy

[dusk bronze]

you've heard about bisexual lighting, what about bisexual text

[terse dew]

Wavy text can be unfriendly to people with dyslexia so be careful

😁

[dusk bronze]

there's a config to disable fancy text effects

[high scaffold]

The DoGs text is bisexual is because he is all bi-himself

[dusk bronze]

[terse dew]

I am of the opinion that accessibility toggles like that should be on (have the features off) by default 🤩

[rose laurel]

Most people wouldn't check accessibility configs if they weren't bothered by such things, which just means most people would miss it

[dusk bronze]

as a dyslexic person i disagree

bc yeah that

[terse dew]

It's the same vice versa no? People don't know these toggles even exist

[rose laurel]

That would be a problem with making them visible and accessible, then

Ironically enough

[dusk bronze]

curse of tmod players unfortunately

[rose laurel]

Most games just have that under options nowadays which is very easy to see

[terse dew]

Right, and I believe that those options should be on by default

Like universally

🤩

Why place the burden of turning on accessibility features onto those who need those features on in the first place

[rose laurel]

Idk, it's such a small effort I don't see why anyone would be bothered

[dusk bronze]

better than placing the burden on the other 80% of people to turn them off imo

just
numbers

[rose laurel]

It's a problem when it's hard to know they even exist

But if you can just open settings and turn them on/off, it's a bit of a non-issue

[terse dew]

We are looking at this from different angles. Your approach is "what is the lowest effort I can take to maximize comfort" and mine is "how do we make a product universally accessible"

[rose laurel]

I mean frankly the disagreement to me mostly comes from the word "Product"

[arctic cliff]

WotG did it best by forcing text to show up to direct you to the visual configs for your safety

[stiff hinge]

i wonder if TNR will ever get reworked

[rose laurel]

Video games aren't products, they're art, and I think that they should always prioritize the creator's vision while still being widely accessible when applicable

[arctic cliff]

The text being togglesble by the config btw

[dull heart]

the thing is that accessibility can get in the way of other design - which is why configs exist for them

[terse dew]

Okay, how do we make art universally accessible

[dense sundial]

that and we generally ensure that visual effects are reasonable anyway

[dusk bronze]

if someone is unable to change an accessibility setting then they're also unable to play the game

[rose laurel]

We don't

Art is not universally accessible and that's fine

[terse dew]

This is a pretty poor position to take

[dusk bronze]

how so

[rose laurel]

Random ass example, you can't expect the Mona Lisa to have a colorblind filter because that would mess with the artist's vision

[terse dew]

Especially because all this does is move us back to my first point

[arctic cliff]

Oh wow that is actually an awful take

[terse dew]

Why place the burden of turning on accessibility features onto those who need it when they can be on by default

[dusk bronze]

how so

[arctic cliff]

reread it

[dull heart]

because they aren't the intended experience of the mod, and not meant to be used by the majority of players

[rose laurel]

I do think that games as an art form are prone to having far more accessibility options than any other form of art due to the way they work, but I also think that the default experience should be what the creator intended rather than the most accessible version of their work

[dull heart]

the configs should by default reflect the intended experience of any mod/game

[terse dew]

I understand intent

[dusk bronze]

i would actually like to know your perspective

[terse dew]

I hear you

[rose laurel]

You kinda just put your point terribly

[arctic cliff]

“Doesn’t even know there’s accessiblity configs? Well we’re not letting them play lmaooooo”

[terse dew]

I just think that intent should include universal access

[dull heart]

there are cases where it simply cannot

[dusk bronze]

i've been told i do that a lot

[terse dew]

I hear you there

[arctic cliff]

accessibility should be striven towards

[terse dew]

But unless wavy text and screen shake hardly shape your entire experience

[arctic cliff]

make sure the most people can actually enjoy the game without sacrificing your artistic intent

[terse dew]

I'm sure you can fill in the rest 😁

[rose laurel]

What Xzier meant is "if someone can't change accessibility configs they're probably not the brightest person and can't really play the game properly"

[dusk bronze]

that was not the intent of my phrasing
i assume they already know the setting exists

[rose laurel]

I disagree with that notion but that's besides the point

[dull heart]

this is a case where the text does contribute notably to the experience

[dusk bronze]

communicating that settings exist is a different issue

[blazing field]

chungo pequeno

[terse dew]

The wavy text isn't in game now and doesn't seem to dramatically reshape the experience of clicking a button to start a boss fight

🤩

[dull heart]

this isn't the only place it's used

[terse dew]

Just to be clear, I do think the wavy text is cool

[rose laurel]

Personally I believe that there are times where a compromise just can't be made, and I also think that there is a weird sense of entitlement people have when it comes to accessibility in games

[terse dew]

I just want you all to consider accessibility first

[dull heart]

i do keep it in mind

[terse dew]

That's my personal gaming hot take (I give this shit to everyone in gamedev)

[dull heart]

this text style is used specifically to emphasize DoG's ego and is intentionally more over-the-top than any other text effect - it is used everywhere DoG's attack names are directly referenced + on the spawn item

[terse dew]

There's some fundamental crip philosophy here (when to place the burden on Disabled people for accessibility). I believe these need to be taught

[terse dew]

I hear you, and I agree with your reasoning

I'm not saying it's a bad idea

I'm saying it's just not a very accessible one

Even for something as minor as 1 sentence on a tooltip

[rose laurel]

Of course, cases like photosensitivity, dyslexia, colorblindness and etc are situations where you have to account for it because that brings actual risks and most often than not aren't particularly troublesome to the developer (for photosensitivity, I also believe that all things should be designed first and foremost with that in mind because sometimes you push things so far that it just becomes bad.

But there is a point where this basically becomes "your game about spiders has spiders, please add an arachnophobia filter" and I'm kinda just baffled

[terse dew]

And that's where content warnings come in

🤩

[rose laurel]

I don't experience anything about horror because I'm easily scared, but I'm not asking Stephen King to make his book less scary

[terse dew]

Surprise! Accessibility extends beyond actual gameplay too

(which is why I used the word product earlier)

[rose laurel]

I know, I'm just saying that I think people have a weird entitlement to games being accessible over other pieces of media

[terse dew]

There really isn't much in cal's case where this is applicable

And again, I'm not trying to maliciously attack any of you or the mod

I'm just stating what I see

[rose laurel]

Which as far as I can see comes from people not really viewing video games as art

And yeah I'm not really arguing anymore, I'm just mentioning some things I noticed

[terse dew]

I don't think this is entitlement actually because existing as the default is the literal definition of being entitled to something

Games are very private experiences

You play them on your own time in your own spaces

[rose laurel]

I mean so is every form of art

[arctic cliff]

counterpoint: rainbow colored slime event quest

[terse dew]

Right, but I'm talking about how games as art are consumed

People play games or watch people play games

On their own time, in their own homes

[rose laurel]

Yeah, I don't think there's any difference between how games and other forms of art are consumed, is the thing

[arctic cliff]

games are unfortunately not always art

[dusk bronze]

?

[terse dew]

Okay, I don't think that justifies making accessibility not a priority though

[arctic cliff]

for instance see the difference between highguard and, fuck it, marathon

[rose laurel]

The same can go for all other forms of art

[arctic cliff]

it applies more so to games rn

[terse dew]

Books and artworks can be read aloud for instance via e-readers, audiobooks, and alt text

[rose laurel]

I agree, my problem is with the discrepancy people have when judging games being accessible compared to other forms of art

[terse dew]

Ohhh I see

[rose laurel]

Like, you'd never see the Deltarune translation discourse on something that isn't a game

[terse dew]

Yeah I see what you're saying now

[arctic cliff]

games as a thing is something people interact with more so than films or books and stuff

[terse dew]

Translation discourse is extra funny

[arctic cliff]

games are meant to, at their basis, entertain

[terse dew]

Some games exist to make money

[coral shuttle]

(i think books and film also are meant to entertain you)

[rose laurel]

I mean so is every other form of art

[terse dew]

🤩

[arctic cliff]

but they have to get money somewhere

[rose laurel]

So is music

I think the only exception would be painting

[arctic cliff]

some games are clearly meant to be art, some are clearly just not

regardless of this

[terse dew]

You can paint a funny picture

I guess

Lol

[arctic cliff]

is the calamity mod art?

[rose laurel]

Absolutely

[terse dew]

I would say so

[coral shuttle]

art (literal) is like, one-time entertainment i suppose

[terse dew]

Not in the traditional sense

But who gaf about keeping art traditional

[rose laurel]

It depends on your definition of art. Mine is just

[tropic jolt]

yeah

[rose laurel]

"A creative work which carries some kind of metaphysical value or intent passed through a medium"

[terse dew]

Let the definition of art dynamically grow and change to fit the needs of both the artist(s) and the times it exists in

[dusk bronze]

i agree

[arctic cliff]

good

[coral shuttle]

as for the above thing about the wavy text, i think aslong as cal makes it clear accessibility options and settings exist then it doesnt exactly matter if theyre on or off by default
if players know they are there, having to click once regardless of which option you would have is like really minor

[arctic cliff]

[steel pike]

Hi

Teh stinky

[terse dew]

This can work as a measure within terraria's limitations

Yes

[rose laurel]

"Metaphysical value or intent" in this case could be basically anything. From passing down a message to simply making someone feel something, be it fear or simply joy

[terse dew]

Part of this accessibility debacle extends beyond the mod onto terraria itself (a not very accessible game by default)

[dusk bronze]

terraria accessibility 👴

didn't it literally invent the term "wiki game"

[arctic cliff]

Indeed! I am TEH STINKER.

[rose laurel]

I think Minecraft is more of a wiki game than Terraria but yeah

[coral shuttle]

it certainly popularized it but

idk if its the first ever Wiki Game™

[rose laurel]

Terraria is nowhere near as bad as people make it tbh

[dusk bronze]

the advancements help so much

[hollow harness]

wiki games there are many its just that terraria is one of them

[steel pike]

stinky ah blud

[vagrant wind]

terraria has the guide
minecraft does not
💥

[rose laurel]

Progressing through Minecraft is not even the biggest problem

The bigger problem is shit like saturation

[hollow harness]

because we have tboi, minecraft, Any Paradox Interactive Game, etc

[dusk bronze]

oh true

[rose laurel]

Which is literally never communicated ingame ever and is only known through word of mouth

[dull heart]

okay but saturation really doesn't need to be understood to play minecraft

[dusk bronze]

yeah that one's

[coral shuttle]

terraria is not that bad in that regard yeah, because things still happen eventually if youre lost (natural spawns)
minecraft mainly just has the advancements and occasional loose worldgen hints (purifying villagers or portals)

[dusk bronze]

that's rough

[dull heart]

it does to optimize but like

[polar tide]

what the fuck is saturation in minecraft

what are you guys talking about

[dusk bronze]

hunger bar 2

[dull heart]

how long food keeps you full

[polar tide]

i have never heard of that in my entire life

[rose laurel]

But it's fucking stupid that the game never tells you about it

[polar tide]

WHAT

[coral shuttle]

how long it takes before you start losing hunger

[terse dew]

Motion sickness being triggered by Minecraft's camera movement bob is a well documented issue

And should be off by default

[polar tide]

i had no clue that was even a statistic???

[coral shuttle]

its like an extra hunger bar*

[rose laurel]

That's like if Terraria let you craft potions and didn't tell you their duration

[coral shuttle]

mainly because its irrelevent, i think only like 2 foods have higher than average saturation

[polar tide]

yuo guys said saturation and i was thinking like

sponges

[dusk bronze]

lo

[rose laurel]

It's not irrelevant at all, it entirely changes how food works and is the entire reason golden carrots are so good

It also means that eating food when you're low on hunger lets you stack more saturation and take longer until it starts depleting again

[dusk bronze]

god i need to just
fundamentally rework the hunger and food system it's such glorpshit man

[coral shuttle]

id argue its irrelevent because even though "golden carrots op" the food management of minecraft is really a non issue to begin with

[terse dew]

le ponge

[dusk bronze]

no idea how though

[pulsar cobalt]

its a second part of the hunger bar. when your hunger is full, you instead use saturation when you exhaust hunger. its also whats used for your quick healing at full hunger (and why golden carrots are seen as the best food source)

[rose laurel]

Nah I think it's good, the problem is entirely that saturation is never communicated to the player

[polar tide]

i think its good when video games Tell You About Their Mechanics rather than arbitrarily deciding what statistics are and aren't irrelevant and shouldn't be communicated

[coral shuttle]

you can go the whole game not knowing saturation statistics and id bet money youd handle things just as well

[still bluff]

golden apples are even better because you can overeat with them to completely max your saturation bar!

[steel pike]

Schwammbob Viereckhose

[rose laurel]

.

This

[dusk bronze]

hunger is very much not good

[coral shuttle]

id say that highly depends on the game tbh

[rose laurel]

Games shouldn't just arbitrarily hide information from you because "it's irrelevant"

[terse dew]

I love tutorial popups

Like unironically

[coral shuttle]

like how in depth do things need to be told to the player

not everything has to be need-to-know id say

[terse dew]

Especially as a gamer who plays on easy mode

🤩

[rose laurel]

I mean yeah not everything, but saturation?

Come on

[coral shuttle]

yeah i really think saturation is irrelevent to the average player

[rose laurel]

It's literally a second hunger bar and it entirely changes how food is managed if you do know about it

[coral shuttle]

even the above average player

[rose laurel]

It's not irrelevant man, I'm an average player

[coral shuttle]

minecraft food system is kindof just irrelevent from the get go

[dusk bronze]

they could at LEAST put saturation in F3 like local difficulty

[steel pike]

Sinister mark vs calamitas who’s winning

[rose laurel]

Mark

[coral shuttle]

it doesnt matter what you eat even, so long as you have a decent supply of it

[steel pike]

waow

[coral shuttle]

theres no downside to how often you eat something or if it has low bars

therefore i dont think saturation is relevent

[dusk bronze]

why is local difficulty a thing btw

[steel pike]

True

[dusk bronze]

does anyone notice it ever

[coral shuttle]

its only a matter of how easily a resource is available

[rose laurel]

I mean I guess but I still think that Minecraft just arbitrarily choosing to not communicate several of its mechanics is terrible

[coral shuttle]

well thats a different thing

and i dont disagree there

[pulsar cobalt]

saturation is very important because its what decides how much you can heal

[rose laurel]

Imagine if critical hits didn't have a popup for when you hit them

[coral shuttle]

no thats still just hunger

saturation simply keeps you at high hunger

[rose laurel]

That's saturation

[pulsar cobalt]

no its not

[rose laurel]

You stop healing when you fall below... I think 1.5 hunger?

[pulsar cobalt]

if you are going to attempt to talk about a topic, please know a little about it

[coral shuttle]

br

[rose laurel]

So almost all of your healing comes from saturation

[coral shuttle]

this is how healing works

[hollow harness]

vro

[coral shuttle]

saturation just keeps you above it

[dull heart]

you stop healing at 3 full hunger or below

[coral shuttle]

so again, you can just spam eat bread

youll keep healing

[rose laurel]

Yes, so having more saturation = more healing

[dull heart]

you heal faster while hunger is full/nearly full

[dusk bronze]

that's when you stop sprinting

[dull heart]

wait

[coral shuttle]

its not a stat thats strictly based on your saturation

[rose laurel]

Which means that foods that give you more saturation = food that heals you more

[dull heart]

isn't it both

[rose laurel]

No

[dusk bronze]

that would make sense

so no

[rose laurel]

You stop healing when you lose 1.5 hunger points

[coral shuttle]

yes thats the theory
but in practice, you simply just need to be at uhhh iirc its 8.5 or above notches
you dont need to have high saturation when you can also just keep spamming Beetroots

[dull heart]

ok it's 9 hunger or above you heal, full hunger (10) you heal extra fast

[polar tide]

i gotta be real conversations like these just remind me wow i really dislike minecraft

[coral shuttle]

[rose laurel]

Ok beetroots are so fucking terrible I'm not even going to entertain that

[dusk bronze]

so true

[rose laurel]

[coral shuttle]

its an hyperbole

[rose laurel]

Yeah but your hyperbole fails when in practice it sucks ass

[coral shuttle]

what my point is that saturation isnt the cause its simply the method to keep the cause

[rose laurel]

It's

Literally the cause though

[dusk bronze]

i had a playthrough where i only ever ate melon slices and i was fine

[coral shuttle]

if i have 0 saturation but im at 10 notches do i stop healing

[rose laurel]

You can't tell me that healing more per piece of food eaten isn't good

And it isn't relevant

[pulsar cobalt]

well firstly you arent always going to have the hunger needed to spam food, and secondly if you are in a position where you need to heal, you probably dont have the time to eat twelve beetroots

[coral shuttle]

thats not what i said though

[rose laurel]

But that's what saturation does

[coral shuttle]

i never said it isnt good

[rose laurel]

The more saturation you have, the more you'll heal before you fall below the threshold

[dusk bronze]

did yall know that dried kelp is so unbelievably terrible as a food source that they made it so it's twice as fast to eat

specifically dried kelp

nothing else

[dull heart]

yup

[dusk bronze]

thanks mojang

[dull heart]

guess what

terraria did that too with mushrooms!

[dusk bronze]

the. 15 second cooldown yeah

[coral shuttle]

if were talking just PvE i think the cases where i couldnt go by with simple food (bread, chicken whatever) is slim to none
and wdym by not having the hunger to spam food

[dusk bronze]

but dried kelp isn't even good early game unless you're literally stranded on an island with no animals or fish

[coral shuttle]

every heal takes a notch down when you have no sat

[rose laurel]

Idk I don't get your point because in all honesty it just feels like "Minecraft is piss easy at base so it's fine if things are poorly explained because they'll never really be relevant"

[dull heart]

anyway i found something funny today

[deft lily]

I like food

mmmm

[dusty tinsel]

Terraria when you can eat 15 hamburgers in quick succession, but you can't eat more mushrooms

[deft lily]

Yummy

hello rayse

[coral shuttle]

actually my point is "the minecraft food system is terrible so it doesnt matter that this stat is really good because the whole thing is easily ignorable"

[pulsar cobalt]

if you arent at full hunger then you cant spam food and therefore cant heal fast with saturation

[dusk bronze]

genuine question
how would you personally go about explaining things better

[dusk bronze]

also true

[rose laurel]

I don't know, because Minecraft is a mess and I don't want to touch it with a ten foot pople

[dusty tinsel]

Hello god of snails

[strong isle]

I should research more about Minecraft

[dusk bronze]

completely understandable

[strong isle]

I find its proto-lore really interesting

[pulsar cobalt]

well the first and most important thing would just be

show it exists

in any way

[rose laurel]

But also you can literally just give saturation a fucking bar on top of hunger that shows it being consumed

Boom

Saturation problem is fixed

[coral shuttle]

..i guess? i mean yeah when youre at full notches you heal faster but if youre not at full notches i would just eat another bread
in PvE i dont really find the small time difference to matter much

but yeah youre right on that

[urban cloak]

applecore my beloved

[dull heart]

there's a mod that makes saturation outline hunger in gold

that would works

[rose laurel]

Yeah

Just

Do that

[dusk bronze]

appleskin my beloved

[arctic cliff]

me when i hear "proto-" adjectives

[urban cloak]

fuck right its appleskin

[coral shuttle]

id atleast make different foods have different eating times, like they did with kelp

[dull heart]

terraria saturation bar when

[white aurora]

proto...longlegs...

[coral shuttle]

another "stat" to food to differenciate them would actually make the choice of what food you produce matter

[dusk bronze]

well yeah i'll do that
but that's reworking hunger
not explaining mechanics

[coral shuttle]

oh well just do what applecore mod does

its just, right

[polar tide]

my tummy hurts

[white aurora]

pumpkin pie taking the same amount of time to eat as a carrot is very funny

[coral shuttle]

truly

[dusk bronze]

i'm not talking specifically about saturation

just
things

[dull heart]

that one's realistic

[coral shuttle]

ah

[dull heart]

pie is yummy so you eat it fast

[coral shuttle]

well theres way too much in minecraft thats not really explained to easily quantify this

[dusk bronze]

true

[dull heart]

raw carrot not yummy so eat slow

[dusk bronze]

raw carrots are peak

silence

[coral shuttle]

this implies dried kelp is the minecrafters favorite food

[white aurora]

cookies and pumpkin pie are both yummy...

[dull heart]

second favorite

after cake

[rose laurel]

Anyways yeah Minecraft to me is the true wiki game and nothing has ever surpassed it

[coral shuttle]

they eat the kelp faster than da pie tho.,.,

[urban cloak]

kinda makes me wonder why they kept pumpkin pie as an item and never made it a placeable like cake

[coral shuttle]

and yeah minecraft has been null info for ages

[dusk bronze]

yeah apparently i just blocked most of the bullshit out

[coral shuttle]

they need to make better advancements and honestly integrate them into the game better

[deft lily]

kinda agree lol

[dull heart]

my skyblock datapack did that well

[dusk bronze]

integrate how

[dull heart]

too bad i stopped playing minecraft

[coral shuttle]

this is why i only play modpacks with Quest mods those are fun

[rose laurel]

Its only saving grace is that basically all of its knowledge is just absorbed via osmosis when you're on the internet

[deft lily]

most things i want to do in minecraft i end up just looking up instead of trying to figure it out on my own

[urban cloak]

the 3 month minecraft phase will come back eventually

[rose laurel]

Everyone knows Diamond spawns in Y 11

[urban cloak]

it hits when you least expect it

[deft lily]

true

[dusty tinsel]

The only way to play Minecraft is with the terraria Minecraft mod

[white aurora]

for a while i never knew what conduits where for

[dusk bronze]

changed years ago

[rose laurel]

Whatever it still works

[coral shuttle]

show that they exist and use them as more tutorial / goals rather than half of them being nothing and the other half being challenges

[dusk bronze]

it's like -56 or some shit now

[coral shuttle]

(challenges ARE cool)

[rose laurel]

What

[coral shuttle]

(but they should have more of the inbetweens)

[rose laurel]

Ok no you're just

Wrong on that one

[deft lily]

yo mama -56

[dull heart]

no

[rose laurel]

I've found diamond WAAAAAAY above - 56

[dull heart]

it genuinely is like -56

[coral shuttle]

diamonds gen from 11 to -56~ iirc

[rose laurel]

Yeah

[coral shuttle]

or something like that

[rose laurel]

That I can see being true

[dusk bronze]

i'm saying the most common level

[dull heart]

11 wasn't the highest it could spawn, it was the most common spawn

[dusk bronze]

i see

[dull heart]

it's like 16 and below iirc

at least in older versions

[coral shuttle]

yea

[rose laurel]

But well whatever you get the point

Everyone knows Y 11 as the Diamond Depth

[coral shuttle]

nowadays i think most common is always the mid point of any spawn range

but also caving is just

[dusk bronze]

lemme check the chart

[coral shuttle]

100% better than stripmining

which is actually a GOOD change

[rose laurel]

Thank God

[coral shuttle]

stripmining sucked

[deft lily]

i hate strip mining

[coral shuttle]

so really no need to remember any Y levels anymore

[rose laurel]

1.16 to 1.18 was the time where Mojang was locked the fuck in

[coral shuttle]

just general depths

[rose laurel]

And then they had an aneurysm

[deft lily]

true!

[urban cloak]

i dont think i ever really minded strip mining that much but it is a lot more fun to properly explore large caves than just dig through stone

[coral shuttle]

1.18-.20 scared them too much theyve been on backcode rewrites ever since

[dusk bronze]

then they locked in again for 1.21
then fell off a cliff and died

[still bluff]

in current minecraft diamonds just spawn more the lower you go btw

[deft lily]

well deserved tbh

[urban cloak]

plus id imagine strip mining for diamonds is just more annoying now cause deepslate takes longer to break

[rose laurel]

My problem now is that the common mob pull is fucking pitiful

You have

4 fucking mobs

[coral shuttle]

my hot take is im actually a-ok with the small drops for now so long as theyll get back to content updates soon when theyre done with their code overhauls

[dusk bronze]

ok yeah diamonds are the most common at -63 according to the chart

it's just a triangle

[still bluff]

yea

if the world went lower they'd get more common

[deft lily]

mojang on its way to add a niche item that has approximately one use case and then its never used again in a playthrough

[rose laurel]

Same, though I also think that they've been a bit eh recently due to the content they add just not being really substantial

[urban cloak]

with the version number changes idk if they'll ever go back ngl

[rose laurel]

It's always one-off items

[urban cloak]

but a man can dream...

[dull heart]

well, not really bc of bedrock replacing blocks

[vagrant wind]

golden dandelion:

[dull heart]

which is why it's -59

[coral shuttle]

im preeettyyy sure theyll go back
just not for A While

[dull heart]

where bedrock replaces no stone

[deft lily]

?

[dusk bronze]

yeah that's why i didn't say 64

[coral shuttle]

there was some post about it

[rose laurel]

You listed the ONE TIME it's not a one-off item

[urban cloak]

also you're pretty

[rose laurel]

Or well

[urban cloak]

more mob variety underground would be nice

instead its just zombie, spider, skeleton, creeper

[rose laurel]

It's a one-off item but who cares

[white aurora]

sniffers don't give you anything new other than decorative flowers, but they dont craft into any new dyes for some reason...

[coral shuttle]

i like the sulfur caves in theory but im a bit bummed the actual worldgen isnt different, like lush caves make changes

[dusk bronze]

let me check how many mobs i'm planning to add

[urban cloak]

and occasionaly slimes if you end up in a slime chunk

[rose laurel]

That's like saying bone meal is a one-off item

[coral shuttle]

maybe theyll be different though!! maybe
..maybe

[rose laurel]

The sulphur cubes are cool

[coral shuttle]

those are peak

[rose laurel]

But I think the problem they have right now is also that basically none of their new additions are for the average player

[coral shuttle]

i dont really have much use for them but i think theyre hilarious

[rose laurel]

Like Sulphur Cubes won't do shit for most people

Though, well

[coral shuttle]

they kinda vibe, id equate them to pandas in that regard

[rose laurel]

It's mostly just Sulphur Cubes honestly

Mounts of Mayhem did an amazing job at the opposite

[vagrant wind]

what does golden dandelion do for the average player 🥀

[dusty tinsel]

The nether

[rose laurel]

I still remember that guy who said

[dusk bronze]

jesus Christ

141

[coral shuttle]

it can be used for building too

just a nice looking flower

[urban cloak]

eternal puppy and building decor

[rose laurel]

"The mount update is useless, because ice roads are just better!" and I was just ???

[dusk bronze]

perhaps i should tone it down a bit

[rose laurel]

Bro

[coral shuttle]

and also yeah eternal babies is peak

[rose laurel]

Are you hearing yourself

[coral shuttle]

mount update was actually really cool imo

spears are fun

[dusk bronze]

it was fine

[still bluff]

i love spears

[coral shuttle]

and more "jockey" mobs is cute

[still bluff]

they're so goofy

[deft lily]

true

i do enjoy them

[rose laurel]

Craftable saddles are the best thing they've ever done and I love them for it

[coral shuttle]

also craftable sa

yeah

and name tags

[rose laurel]

Saddles not being craftable to me was just

So

Fucking

Dumb

[urban cloak]

mounts also gave us an underwater mount which was pretty surprising to me

[dusty tinsel]

What is your opinion on the snifer creature

[deft lily]

only took them 12 fucking years 🥀

[coral shuttle]

it needs more foliage

[rose laurel]

Because you have to go through hell and back to fucking USE A BASIC MECHANIC OF THE GAME

[coral shuttle]

only having 2 flowers is a crime

[urban cloak]

also zombie horses freed from the shackles

[coral shuttle]

i like the concept and mechanic its just So Little

[rose laurel]

Yeah MoH imo is their best update since 1.18

It added a lot of very substantial content

[dusty tinsel]

Copper golems are based though

[coral shuttle]

21 was pretty awesome id say

[rose laurel]

Which was 21 again?

[coral shuttle]

trial chambers

[deft lily]

trial chambers are very fun

[urban cloak]

whichever update spring to life was i vibe with that a lot as well

[deft lily]

imo

[coral shuttle]

that was the second drop iirc

[heady pewter]

can slomeone elp me with my crash i put it in crash logs help thingy

[rose laurel]

They're cool but I think Mounts of Mayhem is better

[coral shuttle]

after pale garden

[deft lily]

fair

[coral shuttle]

understandable

[deft lily]

i like both updates personally

[vivid hemlock]

ngl i forgot the pale garden existed

[white aurora]

trial chambers and ancient cities are really really cool additions imo

[coral shuttle]

pale garden i think is neat, its a fun vibe and the palewood is genuienly awesome

[dusty tinsel]

Skulk

[white aurora]

the warden is my favorite mob in minecraft

[deft lily]

sneak 100..........................

[coral shuttle]

i think as far as combat enemies theyve been rolling it tbh

[rose laurel]

Please just add more common mobs

[coral shuttle]

wardens (not strictly combat but yknow), breeze and creeking are fun and unique

[rose laurel]

We have 4 but in practice it's 3

[white aurora]

i really want sharks in the game... i think sharks are cute :3

[rose laurel]

Because Spiders and Zombies are identical

[coral shuttle]

queue that one statement

[rose laurel]

So it's just

[deft lily]

orca's when mojang

[rose laurel]

• Default Mob
• The most obnoxious piece of shit ever conceived by the human mind
• Affront to God

[vivid hemlock]

😊

[deft lily]

? whats the 2nd one?

[urban cloak]

zombie
skeleton
creeper

[rose laurel]

Skeletons

[dusty tinsel]

Mojang would rather update other dimensions that update the main mod base XD

[urban cloak]

im guessing

[white aurora]

skeletons

[deft lily]

oh

[coral shuttle]

cant forget the special zombie mechanic of Double Vision Distance

[rose laurel]

Yeah

[deft lily]

yeah fuck skeletons

literal aimbot

[white aurora]

bedrock skeletons are awful

[dusty tinsel]

I think they did well with the nether

[urban cloak]

didn't they add like a horde zombie or something recently too

[deft lily]

bedrock skeletons is awful

[dusty tinsel]

I haven't played in over a decade but still

[coral shuttle]

yeah zombies spawn as a horde

[rose laurel]

I am God's #1 Creeper hater

[urban cloak]

i remember seeing a video where one took like 10 fucking hits to kill

[coral shuttle]

or attacking them spawns a horde

something like that

[deft lily]

i agree

[vivid hemlock]

apparently those existed before but it was bugged and they never spawned in for years from what ive heard

[dusty tinsel]

What would they even add for base mobs.

[deft lily]

the new nether ost is great

rubedo 🙏

[coral shuttle]

i find it really funny that the creeper is like the one antithesis to the "mistakes and bad things should be the players fault" but its so ancient and ingrained they probably will never touch it

[rose laurel]

Idk but surely you can do better than

• Guy who attacks close
• Guy who shoots arrows
• Guy who explodes

[urban cloak]

they could never remove or change the creeper substantially

[dusty tinsel]

I still find it funny that the creeper only exists because someone messed up making a pig

[urban cloak]

its their entire branding

[deft lily]

creeper
...aww man....

[rose laurel]

YEAH

[urban cloak]

they REALLY want to tho cause its visually different in multiple different official minecraft media

[dusty tinsel]

Enjoy your indefinite timeout

[rose laurel]

The Creeper is so fucking stupid I hate it so much

[deft lily]

uno reverse card

[dusk bronze]

how would you change it

[dusty tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[rose laurel]

First of all don't make it fucking one shot you in diamond armor

It does that in Hard

[dusk bronze]

jesus

[coral shuttle]

idk if creeper can even change without it stopping being a creeper

[rose laurel]

It has to be point blank but that's stupid

[misty wren]

im pretty sure it doesnt

[deft lily]

one time i trapped a charged creeper in a cage and name tagged it dr boom

was an experience to say the least

[coral shuttle]

i think any change to steer it to this is just changing its identity which is why i think itll never change

[rose laurel]

Second of all decrease its griefing range

[misty wren]

at most from a creeper in full diamond ive taken 4 hearts

[rose laurel]

Honestly I think besides that they're fine

[coral shuttle]

i just always play with mobgrief off ngl

[dusk bronze]

👍

[coral shuttle]

call it cheating idc im #enjoyinglife

[dusk bronze]

mostly bc endermen

[misty wren]

i would love to do that but that also turns off villager infecting

[rose laurel]

I always play with Keep Inventory because not doing it is CBT

[deft lily]

meh. who cares.
play the game how u wanna play it

[white aurora]

ive always played minecraft with keep inventory and mob griefing off :3

[coral shuttle]

also true

[white aurora]

because i hate losing stuff in videogames on death

[dusk bronze]

nuke

[coral shuttle]

losing all my shit sucks ass

[dusty tinsel]

There are still only 3 bosses in Minecraft right? When I was playing the sea one didn't exist yet so I don't really know lol

[coral shuttle]

im fine with grave mods though

[dusk bronze]

2

[misty wren]

there are 2

[dusk bronze]

elder guardian isn't real

[urban cloak]

might sound crazy but ive kinda gotten used to creeper explosions over the years

[vivid hemlock]

true!!!!!!!!!!

[coral shuttle]

2 unless you count guardian yeah

[urban cloak]

idr mind em anymore

[vivid hemlock]

i dont want to play on mediumcore thank you very much

[dusk bronze]

it doesn't count

[deft lily]

elder guardian is the forgotten middle child

[dusty tinsel]

I thought elder guardian was considered a boss

[misty wren]

elder guardian doesnt count and the warden is an instant death block disguised as an enemy

[coral shuttle]

well yeah same but its a matter of principle >:(((

[urban cloak]

they're like annoying when they happen but its not the worse thing for me

[rose laurel]

I have never agreed more with a tweet than one I saw being "Minecraft conditioned an entire generation into thinking losing all their progress on death is far"

[deft lily]

truthnuke

[misty wren]

nah

[coral shuttle]

well its fair if its like

a roguelite

not on a sandbox though lmao

[misty wren]

elder guardian is just a bigger guardian with a jumpscare

[dusty tinsel]

I mean losing all your gear makes sense you died and it stays on your corpse

Ark does that also lol

[misty wren]

except minecraft doesnt have corpses

[dusty tinsel]

But you can disable that in Minecraft

[urban cloak]

ark is essentially a built in grave

[misty wren]

thats not a vanilla feature

[coral shuttle]

myeah if mc inheritely had this id be fine

[urban cloak]

minecraft your shit just goes everywhere so if you're next to lava

uh oh!

[dusty tinsel]

just don't die near lava

[misty wren]

minecraft just drops all your shit on the ground so if it takes you more than 5 minutes to reach your shit or its in lava it is ALL gone and you have no recourse

[deft lily]

if you're homeless just buy a house

[urban cloak]

fighting for my life in the nether

[deft lily]

why didnt i think of that

[vivid hemlock]

dont you guys love durability and mending 😊

[dusty tinsel]

Freeze the nether

[coral shuttle]

but all my items just splatting and despawning in 5 minutes and also oops i dont remember which cave it was! was it this or that way and uh oh time is ticking i think i remember this lush cave oh my god i mined this coal vein its right here im so close i found it just a few more steps and then it despawns right infront of my eyes

[deft lily]

true...

[coral shuttle]

like yeah no thats not really fun

[dusty tinsel]

You can disable that though iirc

[misty wren]

no i think minecraft would be an infinitely better game without durability

[dusty tinsel]

So your items don't drop on death

[coral shuttle]

yeah, keepinventory

we did say we play with it

[vivid hemlock]

but dont you want to go thru constant hell torture

[deft lily]

yyyyeah

i agree

[dusty tinsel]

Happy ghasts are cool

[deft lily]

i think it does more harm than good methinks

[misty wren]

i play lightly modded at least so i always have a minimap and corpse mod that way when i die my stuff is not all immediately gone and i can actually find where i died

[coral shuttle]

durability is also a really stupid system thats only circumnavigated by mending which is also a terrible enchantment but you cant remove it otherwise the game is actually ass to play after like you get your main gear

[dusty tinsel]

Item durability is realistic -minecraft

[amber egret]

did not see this reply sob will do as soon as i get home

[dusk bronze]

i am keeping durability BUT the item doesn't break or lose enchantments, and you can repair it infinitely
also netherite specifically will be unbreakable

[misty wren]

if mending is removed netherite becomes potentially the first upgrade in the history of gaming to be unequivocally a nerf

[dusty tinsel]

That's how ark does it

The item breaks but you can repair it

[dusk bronze]

this is also how minecraft does it

with the elytra and nothing else

[misty wren]

this is why vanilla cannot remove mending

[dusty tinsel]

That's because the elytra is what like a one off item

[coral shuttle]

yeah i think this already is a great change

tools breaking but not the item being deleted

[urban cloak]

i might be stupid how is it a nerf exactly

[misty wren]

they went too hard into making netherite the Expensive™ Endgame™ Material™

[dusty tinsel]

Can you even get more elytras if you lose yours 💀

[misty wren]

you cannot reasonably repair them

[coral shuttle]

infinitely harder to get netherite over diamonds

[dusk bronze]

tridents and maces disappear when broken

[urban cloak]

ah

yeah that makes sense

[dusty tinsel]

Yah, but you can get more of those

[coral shuttle]

also remember xp cost rises in anvil repairs :)))))) isnt that awesome

[dusk bronze]

yeah it's just actual fucking hell torture

[urban cloak]

in that case i do agree with what xzier said about making netherite unbreakable

[dusk bronze]

whar

you can also get more elytras

they're just in end cities

[coral shuttle]

atleast elytra breaking does it right

it never gets deleted

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[dusty tinsel]

Dies in the end void

[deft lily]

i love loosing my elytra in the void!

[dusk bronze]

but i meant netherite just won't have durability at all

[coral shuttle]

solution: never go to the end :)

[deft lily]

i love it! i love it!

[coral shuttle]

(after you get the elytra

[deft lily]

yeah why didnt i think of that

[coral shuttle]

shrimple

[urban cloak]

you dont really have much reason to be there after looting like 2 end cities anyways

[coral shuttle]

well shulkers i suppose

[deft lily]

enderman xp farm:

[coral shuttle]

but like

yeah

[white aurora]

theres a better one iirc

[misty wren]

(on average a netherite item takes at LEAST the equivalent of 2 more diamond items just to make one netherite item and im pretty sure netherite has like 1.5x the durability so you would actively be losing out by upgrading to netherite even more than just the part where its not easily repairable)

[urban cloak]

usually i try to just kill a lot on the first trip but i guess so yea

[vivid hemlock]

i still wish they put end island at different elevations it sucks that they all basically just form a flat plain if put together

[coral shuttle]

copefully with the eventual end update

like It Will Happen Someday

[white aurora]

where you trap an armadillo in a box with the silverfish potion effect on like, a cactus and since the armadillo is invincible in its shell you can just slap the silverfish that spawn from it for infinite exp.

[vivid hemlock]

end update is minecraft's sso

[coral shuttle]

its just a matter of when

[dusty tinsel]

Another end update

[dull heart]

anvil repairs getting more expensive is so dumb

[urban cloak]

i was really hoping it would be soon but with the move to the drop system ive kinda lost hope

[coral shuttle]

anvil repairs getting more expensive is so dumb

ftfy

[dusty tinsel]

Anvils are dumb true

[dull heart]

anvil is fine overall it's mostly just how it works with xp

[coral shuttle]

im a believer that drop system will last for as long as they still do code rewrites

[dull heart]

and especially the too expensive limit

[misty wren]

even in current minecraft id argue intensely that nobody should go for netherite for any purpose that isnt just a status symbol its just unequivocally a scam

[coral shuttle]

and that eventually a major update will appear

[misty wren]

no no

anvils breaking sucks

[urban cloak]

maybe i should adpot this mindset too...

[dull heart]

ok but it won't burn in lava

[vivid hemlock]

atleast minecraft is slowly fixing their glupshito code

[coral shuttle]

it just feels logical

[dusty tinsel]

Why did they even add copper to the game. I mean obviously you need it for copper golems, but why

[coral shuttle]

i think they know people Want End Update its really in their face

[dull heart]

guys netherite is so good!! it gets enchantability like gold!!!

[urban cloak]

yea i can definitely understand it

[misty wren]

...it does??????

[dull heart]

yes

It has better speed and enchantability than diamond

[grave geyser]

we are all holding off on enchanting our diamond gear

[misty wren]

since fucking when

[dull heart]

forever

[grave geyser]

since 1.16

[urban cloak]

they wanted an ore that was more for cosmetic purposes as evident by the tons of copper blocks we have currently

[dull heart]

it's basically the benefits of gold on the durability and power of diamond

[urban cloak]

though now we have copper gear so its like

lol? idrk

[misty wren]

copper gear should not have been added

[urban cloak]

i agree

[dusty tinsel]

Who even uses copper gear

[misty wren]

but copper should also not be so fucking abundant that the devs feel the need to add a meaningless copper sink like copper armor

[dull heart]

does copper gear have a rusting mechanic

it should

[urban cloak]

no copper gear does not oxidize 🥀

[dull heart]

yeah ok this is dumb then

[dusty tinsel]

Oxygen isn't real in Minecraft

[misty wren]

there have been times where ive gone mining for iron and mined 2 veins of copper and come out with 4 stacks of copper ore

[urban cloak]

there's definitely people who use it cause of how abundant copper is but its like just as easy to immediately go for iron

especially now that cave generation has been overhauled

[dusty tinsel]

Imagine if they locked iron behind copper tools

[urban cloak]

community would riot icl

i dont think anyone would like that

[misty wren]

yeah

nobody would like that there would not be a singular defender of it

[coral shuttle]

people got mad that copper isnt relevent too and can be skipped by iron

[urban cloak]

yeah

[coral shuttle]

the vocal community just hates everything because its filled with a variety of haters

[grave geyser]

true

[urban cloak]

like for me its a lose-lose game with copper gear they should've just kept it as cosmetic cause it fulfilled that purpose really well

[coral shuttle]

damn if they do damned if they dont

[dusty tinsel]

Make gold tools useful for something /j

[misty wren]

if copper gear HAS to exist i would like for it to be a lot more artsy and decorative and like designed for armor stands rather than for you to actually use it

[misty wren]

removing durability would do this btw

[grave geyser]

if minecraft got rid of durability gold would somehow still find a way to keep it I think

[dull heart]

Durability is a mechanic that Minecraft outgrew so hard

[dusty tinsel]

Whoops guys we forgot to remove gold's durability and we aren't changing it

[misty wren]

gold tools would actually be useful if durability didnt exist because they wouldnt break as soon as you mine a single block so them having higher enchantability and speed at the cost of a lower mining level is an actually relevant tradeoff

[dusty tinsel]

Gold is also faster than iron iirc

It just fails really fast

[misty wren]

rather than what it is currently where a gold tool can mine what half a stack before breaking

[grave geyser]

gold is faster than diamond

[dull heart]

And netherite

[pulsar cobalt]

two stacks with unbreaking 3

[dull heart]

I think

[grave geyser]

its 33 blocks iirc

[dusty tinsel]

Gold armor

[urban cloak]

gold armor is the "im raiding a bastion" armor

[misty wren]

thats bedrock only

[dull heart]

Gold armor should make you faster

[misty wren]

bedrock increases all durability values by 1 because ???

[grave geyser]

inredible

[urban cloak]

like

[dull heart]

in java 0 counts as a durability iirc

[urban cloak]

just by 1 specificially?

[dull heart]

so gold has 33 uses

32-0

[misty wren]

no

dont think so

[dull heart]

I remember it pretty vividly hmm

Ah

[hasty tangle]

literally unplayable

[dull heart]

tldr we were both right

Can't believe they gave gold a 9% durability nerf

[dusty tinsel]

They should add more bosses to Minecraft

[thorn pier]

whats mine and craft

[dusty tinsel]

You

[lean relic]

Terraria

Mine, Craft, Fight

[deft lily]

its over

[tropic jolt]

millions must mend

[agile latch]

I did..

The armor specifically

Its useful early game..

The tools not much

[dusk bronze]

if leather was real copper could be killed easily

[deft lily]

must've been the wind

[dusty tinsel]

They should add leather pickaxes

[steel pike]

genius.

What about pizza pickaxes

And they made a movie about it

Maybe like..

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-good-bro-gaten-matarazzo-gif-5609682034002849328

Fuark

Nvm

[proud plover]

minecraft-update-talk

[dusty tinsel]

Wooden armor in Minecraft when

[dusk bronze]

stone armor when

[dusty tinsel]

Have seen that in a mod

Same with paper armor

Paper armor doesn't even give armor

[dusk bronze]

whar 😭

anyway what do you actually think of the concept of stone armor

[vivid hemlock]

uhhhhh it doubles damage dealt to you

[dusk bronze]

i meant like
what would your opinion be if it existed

[thorn pier]

itd probably be shit

[dusk bronze]

why

[thorn pier]

itd be weak and prolly uncomfortable

[dusk bronze]

uncomfortable????

we're talking about minecraft 😭

[steel pike]

how about fermented spider eye armor

[dusk bronze]

@vivid hemlock answer my questions

[vivid hemlock]

oh

[vagrant wind]

stone armor would be like terrarias wood armor

[earnest jewel]

Paper cuts, duh.

[vagrant wind]

it does nothing 🥀

[vivid hemlock]

uhm, i wouldnt really acknowledge it

[dusk bronze]

stone.

[vivid hemlock]

its there and uh thats it

[earnest jewel]

Stone doesn't give you paper cuts.

[dusk bronze]

boiling you

[dusk bronze]

hm

perhaps this reaction is just from lack of context

[earnest jewel]

Scissors Armour deals DoT to both you and your attackers.

[dusk bronze]

thorns but worse

[dense sundial]

DUDE

this is a good one

[deft lily]

[dull heart]

memes will live forever

Even if not on Thank You

[deft lily]

top 5 send offs

[spring dawn]

terraria, the game that could put a skibidi toilet reference and everyone would be cool with it

[earnest jewel]

You've found the limit we are willing to endure.

[distant raft]

what about a reference to our lord and saviour triple t

[earnest jewel]

Kill.

[dense sundial]

this one is not from terraria

[spring dawn]

wait what

[grave geyser]

calamity adds its own

wonder if they're listed anywhere on the wiki...

[earnest jewel]

Say it ain't so.

[spring dawn]

huh, i never really paid attention to that since i usually play terraria in fullscreen

[blazing field]

I like using it to save up iron for other things

mostly just use iron for pickaxes and shields when it comes to equipment unless i have way too much of it

also triangular user any progress on the gem chudlings ,,,

[vivid hemlock]

the gemmers

[young notch]

Umbara is a patron once more

[terse dew]

Why would you want to be in the Patreon server

[agile latch]

Would a geode crawler be acceptable in the economy

[terse dew]

That place is evil

😨

[agile latch]

Totally not a excuse to make a chicken crawler

[barren nacelle]

I fw it

[terse dew]

a gem crawler that drops chicken?

[barren nacelle]

Only if you make Crystal Clad Crab tho

[vivid hemlock]

putting all of my chuds into one basket

[agile latch]

Thats already real

Dandy just need to animate it

[rose laurel]

What the helly would be a geode crawler

[agile latch]

There is a hell one too

[agile latch]

The very popular

Geode item from vanilla

[vivid hemlock]

is dandy active again or...

[rose laurel]

The whaaat

[agile latch]

That once used in a extraticinator grant you multiple gem types

Granite golems drop

You dont know what a geode is?

[rose laurel]

Nope

[agile latch]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Geode

[pulsar cobalt]

smh u dont put it in an extractinator

[agile latch]

Forgot

[barren nacelle]

What’s it made of, hellstone and ash?

[agile latch]

[barren nacelle]

Primo, renewable hellstone

Gold dust crawler when

[neat mesa]

do any NPCs sell grapes?

[barren nacelle]

Negative

[deft lily]

its evil because im in it

[agile latch]

Edwin grape the third

[deft lily]

[agile latch]

Will sell it

He owns the biggest wine farm in all of calamity

[barren nacelle]

Derplings drop em if you’re pre EoG

[deft lily]

jokes aside its pretty dead most of the time

[agile latch]

Yharim buys 2 barrels of wine per week from edwin

Aerie delivery

[deft lily]

always will be

[barren nacelle]

I’m no longer auric 😔 finances be damned (also no auric beta)

[deft lily]

the auric color fits my pfp too well for me to go without it tbh

lul

[cinder mural]

Am just a mortal xd

[young notch]

I only had nine messages before becoming staff lmao

[barren nacelle]

No chance to ruin your reputation tbf

[dense sundial]

do you ever need enough hellstone to also need renewable hellstone

a world usually has way more than i even think about

[barren nacelle]

No but I’m a pedant about renewability

[agile latch]

Anyway geode crawler is p much nust a excuse for me to make a little round chicken ball crawler

[deft lily]

lucky

[agile latch]

Since the others already have a design settled

🦈

[dense sundial]

quail 🥺

[agile latch]

Yea

Quail crawler

[deft lily]

i think im on too many ppls shit lists to be anything more than an auric patreon tbh

[agile latch]

And with crawlers being all lizards and dinos

[deft lily]

but its fine

[agile latch]

A chicken kinda works..

[young notch]

For what it’s worth, I like you

[deft lily]

thanks

[barren nacelle]

Like I get this a lot when I nit pick renewability because like. Yeah sure maybe you won’t deplete it fully in a world, but it’s just fun to have a way to get it if you do. It’s a little lame to just go “there’s a limited amount in a world because… ??? Also skyblock shenanigans.

I don’t think anyone particularly dislikes me I think I’ve just annoyed a few people.