calamity-update-talk

[naive sluice]

this is truly hegelian dialetics, an argument, a counter argument and a middle ground

can the cal devs bring back holy hand granades

please

as like

a post DoG Granade recipe

[thorny fjord]

We have power bombs

[fathom girder]

It should deal 300% damage i think

[naive sluice]

well they arent holy

so like

they suck yo

[hard copper]

unholy hand grenade made with unholy essense

[dull heart]

spoiler time..?

[fathom girder]

Pls

[naive sluice]

unholy hand granades obtained by shimmering holy hand granades post Exo mechs

[naive sluice]

holy shit trans bomb

[hard copper]

finally, trans lemon nade

[naive sluice]

Cal might finally be peak

[lapis oak]

what this for

[dull heart]

upgrade it twice and then maybe

[lapis oak]

doesn't look like Sealed

[naive sluice]

does it transition Scal into a man if i throw it at her?

[dull heart]

it is sealed

[lapis oak]

or resemble it I mean

[dull heart]

remember: donor item

[lapis oak]

didn't you send Sealed with dark purple?

[dull heart]

it changes to trans colors when a gender change potion in your inventory

[lapis oak]

wtf

😭

[hard copper]

ah i thought i might be name based

[dull heart]

that too

[tropic jolt]

this is peak

[naive sluice]

Fire

[dull heart]

it's either or

[naive sluice]

Transgender Holy Granades

[tropic jolt]

is there any other items that change the colors

[pulsar cobalt]

thats actually awesome

holy fuck

[dull heart]

trans nuke real

[hard copper]

yhermes crystal

[naive sluice]

Go my estrogen bomb!

[dull heart]

coughing baby vs estrogen bomb

[main estuary]

turning cryogen into cyragen with this

[tropic jolt]

gender beam of doom

[hard copper]

oh wait i think i misunderstood your question

[main estuary]

hermaphrodite cannon

[naive sluice]

next thing you know, im throwing T bombs and now SCal is now Male

[lapis oak]

is Lemonade coming in 2.1.3?

I'm thinking about doing another playthrough right now

[dull heart]

idk

i still need to give lemon 'nade a better recipe

[pulsar cobalt]

is it just a lemon and grenades right now

[hard copper]

the simplicity of grenade + lemon would be funny

[lapis oak]

hmm ok I'm just gonna start it then

[brittle escarp]

Wait, I keep seeing mentions of the lemon and lime nades. Will those be rogue or ranger?

[naive sluice]

will slingshot receive an upgrade line when 1.4.5 come to calamity?

[brittle escarp]

Grenades are kinda split

[naive sluice]

rounger

[thorny fjord]

Doze mentioned stealth strikes

So presumably rouge

[naive sluice]

rouge mage weapon when

[brittle escarp]

You throw the staff like the broken staff in Noita

It hits you too

[hard copper]

rouge slash should have a stealth strike ngl

[naive sluice]

a rogue weapon literally called cloak'n'dagger

[dull heart]

there is no lime 'ade

[brittle escarp]

Oh is it just the lemonade?

[tropic jolt]

papaya

[hard copper]

atleast 2 more

[pulsar cobalt]

post wof...

[brittle escarp]

Bruh

Against what

[main estuary]

what is this

[pulsar cobalt]

magic

[brittle escarp]

How

[main estuary]

what kind
brutal killer magic or cool magic

[pulsar cobalt]

im not too sure actually

im trying to set it up again but it isnt getting as

effective.

[naive sluice]

i want this

[dense sundial]

Bug Fables lookin

[main estuary]

next thing you know we're gonna have anthropomorphic bugs having a brawl on a pile of sand

[rose laurel]

How many games can we fit in Calamity?

[tropic jolt]

at least six

maybe seven

[grave geyser]

litterally

[rose laurel]

Don't we already got that many?

Like

MGRR, Borderlands and RoR 2 at least

[tropic jolt]

depends

[grave geyser]

I think theres like 5-6 in shadowspec weapons alone

[fathom girder]

warframe and destiny 2 are also in calamity

[hard copper]

theres a couple terraria references as well

[rose laurel]

But also I'm not like counting every single reference

[dense sundial]

No…

[rose laurel]

I'm talking games that have like, a decent amount of references

[rose laurel]

What? You don't want referenceslop?

[stiff light]

does risk of rain have that many

[lapis oak]

67

[grave geyser]

probably

[rose laurel]

Bro

Fabsol is referenceslop

[plush carbon]

Reference is Fabsolslop

[rose laurel]

And then Xyk is referencegem

[tropic jolt]

if exo mechs released in 2024 ares would be benjamin ultrakill

[main estuary]

is fabserence refolslop

[pulsar cobalt]

touhou

theres like at least 5 i think

[arctic cliff]

calamity mod should make a terraria refernece

[halcyon seal]

Shits the wind waker bomb

[rose laurel]

True Touhou also counts

[plush carbon]

Yes

[pulsar cobalt]

also i know how to set this up >:3

[rose laurel]

No, actually, because Fab actually stopped liking ULTRAKILL

[deft lily]

calamity mod

[arctic cliff]

i think that game is a rather underrated game in terms of referencing

[main estuary]

community remix reference

[dull heart]

smash bros, metroid too

literally got metroid sounds in the game

[deft lily]

put a calamity mod reference in...
calamity mod

🤯

[plush carbon]

Make a void stranger reference

[tropic jolt]

calamity will add that one boss from that one yomi hustle mod

[plush carbon]

[main estuary]

reference ccr and wotg in draedons dialogue

bro drops hypnos n' mars just by yapping

[rose laurel]

Fab had this really funny pattern of liking a game and then letting the smallest shit completely ruin the game for no reason and that's so fucking annoying like holy fuck

[urban cloak]

already been done im afraid
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity

[halcyon seal]

Rename when

[deft lily]

win

[fathom girder]

you're talking about robot 2, right? I don't think they'd go for something popular like that Yharim mod. wonder what that mod took inspiration from though

[deft lily]

[vagrant wind]

i genuinely cannot tell if this thing is good or not

[fathom girder]

it's not

tbh

[dull heart]

long tooltip = good

"hold shift for more" after all that is so evil

[fathom girder]

So much yap so little fucking anything else

[vagrant wind]

[pulsar cobalt]

this is awesome

[brittle escarp]

Bruh 3 seconds

Like maybe with SCal gear

[pulsar cobalt]

nope

all stuff u can get right after wof

[brittle escarp]

No way

What class

[pulsar cobalt]

technically you can get it pre boss

any

[brittle escarp]

?

[fathom girder]

Welcome back rain armor

[brittle escarp]

What gear

[unique warren]

Can someone remind me why this mod still has default dash

Like I can’t seem to remember why

[brittle escarp]

It’s peak

[fathom girder]

Default dash is useful

[halcyon seal]

It’s thaumcraft

So it’s Satan

[unique warren]

I’m not saying it isn’t

[main estuary]

what the fargle dunk is your loadout and weapon?

[unique warren]

But why is it a thing

[earnest jewel]

To better fit Calamity's play style.

[pulsar cobalt]

weapon?

[fathom girder]

What is your loadout

[main estuary]

weaponless?

[fathom girder]

What are you USING

[unique warren]

And then it’s like, the only dash you need until really far in the game?

[brittle escarp]

Yeah

I only use a ram dash sometimes late game

[unique warren]

[brittle escarp]

Whole extra accessory slot

[unique warren]

So why is it a thing

[fathom girder]

Because it's useful

You're overthinking again

[brittle escarp]

Why can we jump without wings

Why not just use rope

[earnest jewel]

Calamity really needs you to have a dash for the boss design.

But it's poor design to force you to use a dash accessory.

[dull heart]

ooh

[unique warren]

Because jumping doesn’t get rid of the usefulness of… any wings

[pulsar cobalt]

did you figure it out doze

[dull heart]

No

[pulsar cobalt]

dang

[dull heart]

I haven't even looked

[fathom girder]

Did you break ram dashes again tsuki

Is that what this is

[dull heart]

It's not slagsplitter glitch is it

[vagrant wind]

I should've gotten this reference

ive played with it in modpacks before

[dull heart]

3 seconds is so insanely low that like

[unique warren]

Well, you never need a dash period, it’s just useful

[dull heart]

what on earth

[fathom girder]

WHO HAS THE IMAGE

Post it QUICK

[earnest jewel]

You also never need to jump.

[dull heart]

why is it not a sticker yet

[halcyon seal]

I understand, people usually block out traumatic experiences from memory

[unique warren]

Sure, but dash is far from even being a requirement, whereas jumping is pretty close to being one

[fathom girder]

FUCK YEAHHHHH

[unique warren]

And with jumping, just jumping with no vertical movement accessories even by… post-evil is not practical, whereas actively avoiding using dash accessories until pretty late into the mod is very practical

[urban cloak]

it typically acts as a way to just switch directions without losing all your momentum, but it falls flat in areas where you may need a more traditional dash to get away from something in a quick amount of time

at least thats how i see it

[pulsar cobalt]

this challenge run has just become a see how op this glitch is run

[fathom girder]

WHAT IS IT

[brittle escarp]

And you can’t get through enemies

That’s super important for works and stuff

[pulsar cobalt]

well its a glitch

[unique warren]

For what

[hard copper]

would be nice if this was a sticker

[urban cloak]

stuff like shield of cthulhu keeps its relevancy in the wake of it since its longer, can deal damage and provides immunity frames, the latter of which in some cases can actually help dodge attacks like queen bee for example

[hard copper]

like replace thumby

[fathom girder]

Tsukiii it's gonna get fixed anyway what is it

[unique warren]

To an extent, I suppose?

[main estuary]

yeah somehow i dodged her dash with soc

[urban cloak]

the iframes are just enough to dodge through her dash since she moves quickly

ive done it a ton in the past its pretty useful

[main estuary]

i forgot how i triggered it

[unique warren]

It certainly has its use cases but it’s distinctly lower use in cal for sure

[pulsar cobalt]

wont be fixed if i never say

[halcyon seal]

Shoutouts to shield of the high ruler for just dealing a shit ton of damage

[fathom girder]

Doze found it already probably

[halcyon seal]

If you use that acc you’re a real one

[fathom girder]

Also grants immunity to debuffs

[fathom girder]

Shield of the high ruler is viable to endgame

[main estuary]

who up getting called by Potential Spam

[urban cloak]

never actually used high ruler bfore but its mainly cause i love my master ninja gear ❤️

[unique warren]

I suppose it’s just a case where I constantly see the sentiment where dash accessories are just kinda worse than not using one and having a defensive/damage accessory in other places

[halcyon seal]

It can genuinely add like 2k DPS if you’re aggressive enough

It does SO much fucking damage

[urban cloak]

it really just depends on your playstyle and expertise

[brittle escarp]

I use the ram dash after Plantera, the one from Providence. And the DoG one like once

[main estuary]

who then drops a voicemail roughly 20 seconds later

[unique warren]

Isn’t that already true for mods where default dash isn’t a thing?

[urban cloak]

certain players may find smth like counter scarf more reliable than default dash since it provides a longer dash and a free dodge but a more experienced player may not need it

[brittle escarp]

It’s like boots. I used to always use boots and ran dashes. It was just kind of a given. Then they kinda got less useful over time

Now I don’t use either

[fathom girder]

I love default dash on my challenge runs that need a lot of accessories

[urban cloak]

i mean i suppose but i dont know many mods that have as much variety in dash accessories as calamity

[fathom girder]

Cuz it allows me to at least redirect my movement

Which is useful

[unique warren]

I’m unsure about why that matters exactly?

[fathom girder]

Why is this the hill you choose to die on

What did default dash do to you

[unique warren]

Why can’t it be

[brittle escarp]

I like it because it allows for more build variety

That’s all I care about

[unique warren]

Does it?

[fathom girder]

Yea

[unique warren]

Regardless of if you do or don’t have default dash, a build can work

[brittle escarp]

Right but now I have more space for other cool stuff instead of have a mandatory slot in

[fathom girder]

That's one less accessory slot i need and I can still properly dodge weird attacks

[brittle escarp]

Same with the wing slot mod

[fathom girder]

It is swag

[brittle escarp]

Wings are required, so it’s not interesting

[unique warren]

Ah, that’s a great example and helps with my point a lot actually

It is pretty wing slot-adjacent

[brittle escarp]

I tried the wing slot mod for the first time and liked it

[main estuary]

i don't even use counter scarf

[urban cloak]

cause most dashes end up just doing the same thing as you progress, even in vanilla
soc is like the singular dash that provides a bonk everything else doesn't interrupt your momentum

[main estuary]

im too stubborn to buy and use it

[urban cloak]

calamity has bonk dashes, ram dashes and your average non-special dash as i described above

[brittle escarp]

And dodge dashes

[unique warren]

That is true, but why would this matter when all default dash does is undermine the usefulness of the various dash accessories that are added?

[fathom girder]

it doesn't

it's a substitute that gets the bare minimum done

[arctic cliff]

@unique warren imo its because dashes are fun to use and itd be a shame if they were accessory only

[urban cloak]

i mean i just gave my perspective on it and why i dont think its that harmful

[unique warren]

Well they’re not even in vanilla

[brittle escarp]

Dash accessories are now like every other accessory, a niche, build specific ornament. This is as opposed to a mandatory slot that’s the same thing at the same point every single run always

[unique warren]

There’s two whole armor sets with dashes

[amber furnace]

has anyone said that they missed the spiky ball variants

[urban cloak]

no

[brittle escarp]

It also helps players that are worse by giving larger windows

[arctic cliff]

except for the nyctherowhatever it was called

thats like the only one im peeved about being removed

[unique warren]

Mandatory? What about having a dash is mandatory?

[urban cloak]

some people probably do out there though there's an audience for every item in this mod

[arctic cliff]

thank god they reworked the other yinyang rogue weapon tho

[brittle escarp]

Some bosses (like death fishron and any worm) basically require dashes

Ravager

[pulsar cobalt]

considering u cant even spell nychthemeron you prob didnt miss it that much

[brittle escarp]

Aureus

Who else

[unique warren]

I suppose that is a great example of poor boss design, and in that case, sure, the default dash does alleviate that game design flaw

[brittle escarp]

I don’t mind certain bosses needing a dash if a dash is provided

[urban cloak]

i dont think you should be using default dash on fishron

unless im misunderstanding smth here

[blazing field]

A default dash allow bosses to be designed around you having a dash yeah

[brittle escarp]

I specifically don’t like bosses requiring dashes and then needing an accessory because of that

[still bluff]

yea

[unique warren]

So it can be an excuse for designing a boss poorly

[blazing field]

I'm not sure how that's an excuse

You're viewing it as boss requires dash -> give the player dash to alleviate

When to me it's more

The player has a default dash -> bosses can be designed with a dash in mind, allowing for more creative freedom

Would it be, poor design to design a boss around the fact you can jump, or walk

[arctic cliff]

what if im just dogshit at english?

[blazing field]

It does potentially conflict with crossmod though

[arctic cliff]

what if i just dont care to talk normally ya punlk

[dull heart]

i think the 2.1 SoC buffs make this much less of an issue - yeah, it's less common, but it was basically a must-use before

[unique warren]

So it’s a reason for a boss to be designed poorly without making it as obvious

[blazing field]

Can you please explain why it's poor design rather than repeatedly saying it is

[dull heart]

what a 10x dmg boost does

[pulsar cobalt]

this is just wordslop

[unique warren]

[dull heart]

i do wish default dash didn't exist but it's too far to go back from it now

[blazing field]

It is no different from designing a boss around you walking or jumping, no? Those are base features of your kit

[dull heart]

same with default fastfall

[unique warren]

Default WHAT

[dull heart]

but neither are inherently bad

[blazing field]

I'm ambivalent to default dash

[arctic cliff]

what makes a boss being designed with the default dash in mind bad?

[blazing field]

I think it has its pros and cons, if it got removed, sure, if its kept, sure

i don't mind it either way

[dull heart]

i just think that the design options that exist without them are more interesting than with them

[pulsar cobalt]

default fastfall lets you accelerate to terminal velocity faster when youre holding down

[blazing field]

What i am failing to understand is why designing a boss around a part of the player's core kit is "poor design"

[unique warren]

Moreso that a boss is designed with a dash being required

[blazing field]

That's fair

Yes, but why is that a problem

[gloomy grove]

ravager does NOT need a dash what are you on about

[unique warren]

How is that not one

[blazing field]

The problem with requiring a dash is becasue it forces you to need an accessory

[brittle escarp]

I use a ram dash to go through him

Basically permanent I-frames

[dull heart]

this is not a problem if the dash is part of your base movement ability

[brittle escarp]

Same with aureus

[blazing field]

It limits your build choices

[unique warren]

So it’s creating a problem then also creating the solution

[gloomy grove]

that does not make it a requirement

[unique warren]

In which that solution is a problem elsewhere

[dull heart]

well we didn't exactly create the problem

[main estuary]

you at least need anything to not get hit by the pillars bullshit

[gloomy grove]

"need" implies the fight is completely impossible without it

[brittle escarp]

Ok you don’t even require the movement keys to win

It’s still nice

[dull heart]

SoC is hugely overused in vanilla meta because of how valuable it is

[arctic cliff]

why is it a problem

[brittle escarp]

People have beaten the game without weapons, accessories, armor, or moving

[dull heart]

that is a problem that default dash addresses

[blazing field]

Repeatedly saying "It is a problem" "It just is" etc without actually giving a reason as to why is the same reason more or less why the slime god design argument happened the other day

You are not actually properly explaining why your stance is

[unique warren]

Primarily because people get used to it and don’t realize it’s actually just kind of a B-A tier accessory

[dull heart]

plus, more snappy movement does open the door to more things you can have bosses do

[main estuary]

not moving sounds impossible

[dull heart]

if you can expect the player to have that movement

[arctic cliff]

shush, i can see why there might be a problem with a default dash, but you aint elaborating on what makes it problematic beyond "its a problem"

[brittle escarp]

People have beaten infernum without WASD

it’s crazy

[unique warren]

Well, I know that many of these bosses were designed before the existence of default dash

[tropic jolt]

just rebind the movement keys

[brittle escarp]

🤔

[unique warren]

I do believe it has been a very long time since many of these bosses have gotten reworks, no?

[main estuary]

what if post-fabsol eow requires you to use the base dash

[unique warren]

Aureus, for example, I don’t believe has been properly redone since before default dash?

[dull heart]

depends what defines a rework

there's been movement/attack changes for just about every boss

since default dash was added

[unique warren]

So, default dash is introduced and alleviates preexisting bosses nearly requiring dashes

While perhaps that’s not why it was introduced, it is an effect of it

[mystic eagle]

Reorder your keyboard and bind the movement keys to where they are normally located

[dull heart]

default dash is a classic example of the Calamity Development Spiral i think

[main estuary]

literally none of them need it
unless you need to like dash away from almost getting skewered by ds

[tropic jolt]

can you beat terraria without boreal wood?

[dull heart]

fabsol: makes bad boss
devs: makes stronger tools so the bad boss is less bad
fabsol: buff bad boss

repeat

[mystic eagle]

No

[unique warren]

Precisely

[dull heart]

this led to powercreep in like

so so many places

[urban cloak]

as you move forward in progression certain calamity bosses do absolutely require dashes, or are at least incredibly difficult without them

you dont technically need a dash for yharon or the exo mechs but you're not gonna have fun fighting them without one

[unique warren]

I have played pre-default dash and I had concluded that a dash on a boss like DoG is just kind of an accessory that is nearly an autoequip

[brittle escarp]

Is that why pre like 1.4 or whatever you could do 2 million dps pretty easily

[dull heart]

Desert Scourge is actually like the closest boss to needing a dash in the game rn

at least in rev

[pulsar cobalt]

death dog is like

[dull heart]

well

maybe not in 2.1

[pulsar cobalt]

very surprisingly aggressive

not

[tropic jolt]

I mean it does like 10 damage

[pulsar cobalt]

dog

[plush carbon]

you're not gonna have fun fighting exos anyway

[pulsar cobalt]

ds

[dull heart]

pre-2.1 DS

[pulsar cobalt]

death ds

[fathom girder]

I often fight DS without SoC and I do find that he gets pretty close if I don't use default dash

[unique warren]

So, when default dash is introduced, that alleviates that design flaw, while creating other design flaws

[brittle escarp]

Yeah I tank it in death mode too

[urban cloak]

desert scourge has that one attack where it flies up really quickly and vomits projectiles thats like the one attack i can see needing a dash

[dull heart]

that one is telegraphed pretty hard and doesn't need you to move far

[urban cloak]

even then you can just use a hook and-

[dull heart]

it's the nuisances that need it most

[urban cloak]

yeah it doesnt need that much movement

okay true the nuisances are kinda ass

[unique warren]

Where yeah, default dash does diminish the usefulness of most accessory/armor dashes

[main estuary]

you at most need a dash to dodge thanatos' bratwurst ahh build

[dull heart]

nuiscances have insane turn speed, although 2.1 helped a LOT

[lapis oak]

Isn't that one you can just stop and it'll overshoot

[pulsar cobalt]

yea its not this its literally the basic ramming of ds and nuisances that need it theyre just very fast for some reason

[main estuary]

and yharon if he tries to telefrag

[lyric trellis]

Rams…

[dull heart]

fabsol balanced DS around players using magilumi and hermes boots so

[unique warren]

Hermes boots is somewhat reasonable to an extent, mostly because vanilla does that too lol

[dull heart]

when i had him test it without magi even he knew it needed to be nerfed

[pulsar cobalt]

did he also use sandstorm

[urban cloak]

did he actually balance around magi 🥹

[dull heart]

yes

he did

[still bluff]

fabsolian

[unique warren]

I think it’s fine to require some level of mobility, but not smth quite unique like a dash

[main estuary]

💀
and you can fight him as your first with overtiered accs

im talking
lightning boots or its upgrades
horseshoe balloon
other things

[unique warren]

Like, discounting default dash, pre-hm only has two

[dull heart]

fabsol usually used fledgling, hermes, cloud bottle, magi

is what he said

[main estuary]

why fledgling

[pulsar cobalt]

fledgling...

[dull heart]

idk

i'm not fabsol

[pulsar cobalt]

the thing thats 1/40 now...

[pulsar cobalt]

thankfully theres a recipe but imo its a but to easy to craft

[brittle escarp]

Heinous build

[main estuary]

you can go the whole run without fledgling

[dull heart]

also i just fought crabulon to test lemon 'nade

what the HECK did fabsol do

[brittle escarp]

Was Fabsol even good at the game

[dull heart]

i don't think the boss did a single attack

[unique warren]

It’s primarily a thing where I just ask myself “is a dash really something that needs to be default”

[blazing field]

Crabulon

[pulsar cobalt]

he made it jump at you

[earnest jewel]

We're not sure if he played it.

[brittle escarp]

lol

[main estuary]

dunno
i blame him for the crab shroom rain

[dull heart]

it didn't even jump 😢

[blazing field]

deploy the expert mode crabulon gif

[pulsar cobalt]

oh wait yea ur doing rev idk about rev crab

[tropic jolt]

terraria modders haven't played terraria since 1.2

[rancid pagoda]

it shuffles sideways menacingly

[urban cloak]

i wouldn't say it diminishes the usefulness of most with calamity's current boss design but in prehm sure i can kinda see it

[lyric trellis]

Doze over here fighting normal mode crab

[unique warren]

Sure, the mod adds 14 new dashes, but it’s not like most of those aren’t upgrades of either each other or a vanilla one

[dull heart]

actually i did fight classic on accident at first

[lyric trellis]

Alright now fight death

[arctic cliff]

yeah that version is genuinely a complete failure of a fight

[brittle escarp]

Are classic and expert even like real in calamity mod

Like in any sense

[dull heart]

anyway as of 2.1 dashes overall are ina pretty good state

[unique warren]

I’d say it nearly objectively does? Like, there’s a bigger increase in the usefulness of a dash accessory from if you have default dash vs if you have absolutely no dash.

[dull heart]

yeah it does decrease how useful dash acc are

but i think that's a good decrease

not to the point of being bad

[brittle escarp]

Having played before and after, it absolutely is

[dull heart]

actually

evasion scarf might be busted

apparently

[tropic jolt]

they're just revengeance but nerfed

[brittle escarp]

How

[urban cloak]

yeah ^

[brittle escarp]

Revengeance bosses have like 2 attacks

How do you have less attacks

[unique warren]

I definitely disagree, especially when it gets rid of no-dash gameplay

[misty wren]

those accessories are "worse" now because they arent basically a hard requirement

[tropic jolt]

expert bosses have 1.5 attacks!

[brittle escarp]

They just look at you like this

[unique warren]

They only ever were because of pre-existing issues in cal

[dull heart]

i don't think "no-dash" gameplay is a thing that needs to be protected any more than "no-jump" gameplay

[lyric trellis]

Dashes are good and fun hot take

[unique warren]

Because in vanilla, a dash is never even close to a hard requirement, unless… idk, maybe they are in FtW but I don’t think we should take any notes from FtW for balancing

[brittle escarp]

Having more movement is good I think

[unique warren]

More ≠ better

[brittle escarp]

Allows for more complex bosses, which are definitely needed

[tropic jolt]

would you say dodging or even moving is a hard requirement in vanilla?

[dull heart]

okay, but calamity isn't vanilla

[brittle escarp]

Literally nothing in the entire game is a “hard requirement” other than opening it

And even then barely

[unique warren]

Sure, and a dash being a hard requirement in calamity is not a good thing

[misty wren]

and yet people still use them and they are meta because movement accessories are always going to be good

[unique warren]

It’s not the same as vanilla but that doesn’t mean it can’t be worse in some aspects

[dull heart]

im still not sure why you say that tbh

maybe i missed it

[brittle escarp]

Idk, I think advocating for bosses requiring less complex movement is a bit crazy

[halcyon seal]

i mean, calamity already changes plenty of things about the player as is

movement speed, mining speed, i think jump height too

[brittle escarp]

You can already beat most bosses by going in like a circle

[unique warren]

I’m mostly saying it because other people are

[halcyon seal]

building speed

[dull heart]

like i don't see why requiring to use a dash is any different than requiring the player to use a jump

in this case

(since both are base movement kit tools)

[unique warren]

Not initially

[dull heart]

..? what

[brittle escarp]

But why does that matter

It’s a mod

It can change things

[dull heart]

dash is initially a base movement tool in cal though

[hard copper]

i think default dash is a good thing because dash accessories are so good, in vanilla soc makes its way into every build. having the default dash fixes that

[brittle escarp]

Why add Exo Mechs if they weren’t in vanilla

[misty wren]

modification players when the modification modifies the game its a modification for

[pulsar cobalt]

chat i forgot what were all the arena buffs u can use. ive got bast, heart lantern and campfire

[unique warren]

And we should judge those changes by if they are better or worse than what it was originally

[misty wren]

star bottle

[brittle escarp]

Also, celestial onion should work in master and death

More accessories

Yippee

[pulsar cobalt]

not mage,,,

[unique warren]

We can’t just say “it’s a change” and that automatically makes it a good change

[pulsar cobalt]

or more well i dont use mana

[misty wren]

and you have by your own admission revealed that you only think its worse because other people think its worse

[brittle escarp]

😔

[rancid pagoda]

sunflower if you're willing to put grass down

[pulsar cobalt]

o right yea sunflower

[unique warren]

I tend to consider other’s opinions on subjects as well as my own, yes

[dull heart]

i agree. My biggest reason for thinking it's a good change is it reduces the crazy overreliance of players on SoC/MNG/etc

[brittle escarp]

You would be able to make death mode harder tho

[urban cloak]

draedon update post-ml rebalance part 2 if we ever allowed 8 accs in post-moon lord

[pulsar cobalt]

8 accs for death would be awesome

[dull heart]

we would literally have to change nothing if onion worked on death

[urban cloak]

actually no im stupid its just in death mode

[lyric trellis]

Whole game rebalance tomorrow according to doze

[dull heart]

death already has way higher stats

so like

[brittle escarp]

YIPPEE

make death stats higher 🙏

[dull heart]

player higher stats counterbalalnces a bit

[pulsar cobalt]

like genuinely the amount of times ive thought in death "mmm it would be nice if i could have one more slot"

[brittle escarp]

Or like more AI or something

As in attacks, not like Gen AI

[dull heart]

ok yeah just tried it and

evasion scarf kinda cracked

[pulsar cobalt]

30 second dodge!!!!

[unique warren]

I primarily believe it’s a bad change because over-reliance on dashes is an issue that calamity reinforces rather than fixes, and the existence of default dash makes that issue all the more prevalent

[brittle escarp]

Why is it an over reliance tho

It makes movement more complex

That’s good

[lyric trellis]

DoG head now always oneshots again good luck

[dull heart]

evasion dash is better than assasin dash even without the dodge

[brittle escarp]

🙏

[dull heart]

i disagree with it being a unique issue, I see SoC in almost every vanilla loadout

[unique warren]

As Doze said, there exists an over-reliance on dashes in vanilla

[brittle escarp]

Nah but jokes aside, you can face tank every phm boss in death mode

Like they do like 15 damage

[unique warren]

It’s not a unique issue, it’s also an issue in vanilla, but it’s not an issue that calamity fixes or reduces

[brittle escarp]

I just disagree that it’s an over reliance

[dull heart]

cal does reduce it by default dash ecisting

[brittle escarp]

I think dashes are fun and add to the game

[dull heart]

vanilla soc?

[brittle escarp]

I think Infernum has a dash over reliance

[unique warren]

It does not, it gives you a dash by default because of the overreliance on dashes

[brittle escarp]

People use it too much for the number of bosses that require it. They are arguing the bosses require it too much

[dull heart]

which... reduces the reliance on dash accessories

[unique warren]

So now you have a dash for free that you can rely on

[dull heart]

i don't think relying on dashes is an issue at all

[unique warren]

My issue is that vanilla and calamity can rely on dashes period

[dull heart]

it's specific accessories being overused that's the issue

[earnest jewel]

Yeah, so you're not soft required to always have a dash accessory.

[unique warren]

Not specifically their accessories

[dull heart]

an accessory being overused often means it's too valuable

[rancid pagoda]

SoC is literally more useful outside of bosses

[unique warren]

Even if in vanilla, dashes are just pretty decent, good even

[unique warren]

In what way

[misty wren]

but why why are dashes bad

[dull heart]

i don't think this is really true

[rancid pagoda]

the bonk will knock back enemies but will do nothing for bosses

[dull heart]

it does a non-negligible amount of damage

[brittle escarp]

???

[dull heart]

30 damage a hit is notable at that stage

[unique warren]

It’s more of a playerbase issue rather than an actual game design issue

[dull heart]

that's 1-0.5 seconds worth of damage free

[rancid pagoda]

are people actually thinking about the damage when they talk about SoC being too important for bosses

[earnest jewel]

???

[unique warren]

Dashes are just pretty good options in vanilla but are oftentimes treated as being nearly required by some people

[brittle escarp]

It’s also because you are so slow in vanilla

[dull heart]

on bosses SoC is huge because it's instant accel

[brittle escarp]

You need the dash to get anywhere at all

[rancid pagoda]

exactly, it's only for the instant hermes

[dull heart]

it's because they boost your accel to insane levels by existing

[unique warren]

I won’t lie, hooks will be more useful than SoC for this

[brittle escarp]

It’s the only way to move anywhere with any sort of speed

[dull heart]

which is very strong

[brittle escarp]

They help, but not always

And vanilla hooks are also bad

[earnest jewel]

Not in the air.

[dull heart]

and dashes are much easier to use than hooks

[rancid pagoda]

magiluminescence helps but then you just use both

[unique warren]

They’re certainly not

[dull heart]

yeah vanilla hooks are great

[unique warren]

And not in any way where calamity improves them

[pulsar cobalt]

cinnamon roll stacks with deep diver right?

[dull heart]

yes

[unique warren]

That’s a pretty large amount of accessories to use on only horizontal movement

[misty wren]

early vanilla hooks kinda suck ass but like eatly vanilla lol

[unique warren]

Pre-boss is probably where hooks are at their absolute best, actually

[misty wren]

yeah thats because vertical movement is covered by a single accessory

[brittle escarp]

And a dash would be yet another

[unique warren]

That is true, and you have now used more than or half of your accessories

[misty wren]

they're referring to vanilla

[misty wren]

yes this is why i play master

[unique warren]

Still half

[brittle escarp]

I am a master hater because there are no AI changes

[misty wren]

because i get that extra accessory slot so builds actually exist

[brittle escarp]

It’s just stat bloat

The fights aren’t harder they are just longer

[dull heart]

anyway this isn't going anywhere

[unique warren]

It’s not

[dull heart]

we should talk about something cooler

[unique warren]

Eh, maybe

[dull heart]

like

[unique warren]

I swear to god if you say roots

[pulsar cobalt]

awesome

[unique warren]

I have 0 clue what that is 😭

[pulsar cobalt]

sealed singularity

[dull heart]

estrogen bomb

[misty wren]

estrogen bomb

[unique warren]

[pulsar cobalt]

true

i meant estrogen bomb

[main estuary]

testosterone explosive when

[pulsar cobalt]

sealed singularity is like a lame weapon idk why i said that

[dull heart]

the way the gores all rain down

[tropic jolt]

goozma

[dull heart]

makes me so happy

i didn't do that on purpose

it just happened by accident

[unique warren]

Goozma added to lore when

It would be so odd to have a slime god and its name wasn’t Goozma but I know that will be what happens 😭

[signal imp]

true but I feel like this new master death is actually quite easy

[dull heart]

@neat dock hey look at this

[tropic jolt]

if you make your character goozma then thats canon to your playthrough

easy strategy

[misty wren]

why would that be odd

[signal imp]

like master death has never been this easy

right?

[unique warren]

It would be like ML not being named Cthulhu y’know

[signal imp]

the damage numbers got tuned down so much

[unique warren]

Oh wait

[neat dock]

thank you

[lapis oak]

why the build up so hype but the final explosion is like kinda mid 😭

[neat dock]

hey @misty monolith look at this

[dull heart]

i'm still changing it some

[urban cloak]

its easier because the stats are now identical to vanilla master's stats and the really shitty ai changes got thrown out back

[tropic jolt]

more particles waiter

I can still see my screen

[signal imp]

yeppp

[lapis oak]

ahh I see

[unique warren]

Yeah isn’t it a kind of interim fix more than anything?

[dull heart]

also like

what it actually does is not fully obvious here

[urban cloak]

yeah death mode will get better as development progresses

[misty wren]

no it wouldnt be
goozma hasnt ever been mentioned in cal nor has it existed as a concept for multiple years (unless it was mentioned ingame like 6+ years ago)

[unique warren]

Since it would be lame to add new Death changes for bosses and then have to rework the bosses immediately after

[main estuary]

king slime is miiiiiid

[unique warren]

[urban cloak]

the difficulty changes in brainstorm were to finalize a difficulty heirarchy for the mod and not have 8 fucking difficulties to maintain

[signal imp]

they’re honestly great

[pulsar cobalt]

considering searching goozma in cal wiki brings up nothing i dont think its ever been mentioned ingame

[misty wren]

you're attaching names to concepts when said names havent been a thing for years

[brittle escarp]

I just can’t wait for death mode to get spicier

[pulsar cobalt]

well it does bring up one thing, the community modifications page

[brittle escarp]

Now that people pointed out the sheer number of things with Vanilla AI, I can’t unsee it

[unique warren]

Does that matter here tbf? There’s a fuckton of lore stuff that has never been in-game

[signal imp]

I feel like theres a bunch of bosses that will straight up get reworks

[unique warren]

Sure but it would be fun

[signal imp]

new dog is awesome tho

[misty wren]

again it hasnt been a lore thing since noxus has existed

[signal imp]

i will say that

very infernum inspired but in every good way

[unique warren]

I’m not saying it has?

[misty wren]

then why act as though it has been

[unique warren]

I am not

I’m acting like it would feel a bit off to see it not be the case when the Slime God’s name is eventually revealed

And I know it won’t be Goozma because that’s been abandoned for years

[signal imp]

they will never reveal their name

they flee to fight another day

[unique warren]

And I just generally attach the name of “Goozma” to the concept of Calamity’s slime gods so it will feel weird personally

I’m not saying it should be Goozma I’m just saying it would feel a bit odd to me

[brittle escarp]

Slime god needs so much more sauce

[unique warren]

This is true

[brittle escarp]

He is the easiest boss in the whole mod and it’s so sad

[unique warren]

I hope they find a better usage of biomes in the boss fight compared to just crimson/corruption

Like, using biomes in the fight is a great idea on paper since the Slime Gods are balance-themed and a big part of Biomes in Terraria is balance

So they work well thematically but then they’re both evil biome themed instead of one being evil biome themed and the other being good biome themed

And it would have been fine back then for one to be evil biome and the other to be hallowed theme but nowadays you kinda can’t cause Queen Slime

[earnest jewel]

This will be Slime God in 2073, trust me.

[unique warren]

I feel like that would be possibly more boring 😭

Oh boy I sure am excited to fight slime gods- and it’s just golem now 😭

[earnest jewel]

Someone didn't play Mega Man Zero.
You'd wish it was just Golem.

[tropic jolt]

what if it was golem but with 12 moon lord lasers

[unique warren]

I admittedly have not lmfao

[tropic jolt]

and a fargos circle arena

[fathom girder]

listen

if I wanted to fight mutant I'd just fight mutant

[unique warren]

And you should

[pulsar cobalt]

isnt this just yellow devil but worse

[tropic jolt]

fight echdeath

[earnest jewel]

Yes.

[forest condor]

Hey, does anyone here knows when the calamity and the tmod uptade will release to terraria 1.4.5?

[earnest jewel]

No.

[misty monolith]

awesome!!!!!

[lapis oak]

okkkk let's go time to play Cal

surely 2.1.3 won't drop in mid playthrough

[dusk bronze]

not soon

[deft lily]

u should give rev+ moon lord legs trust

🙏

[dull heart]

quick go time to drop it

[lapis oak]

I hate u

[deft lily]

dude...

uncool

😠

[hard copper]

uncool dude role when?

[late eagle]

Oh it's beautiful 🥹

Finally sealed singularity is peak🙏

[deft lily]

thats just no role

speaking of

much better

[misty wren]

suggestion ban role

[deft lily]

kinda forgot there was a suggestion channel tbh

[dusk bronze]

there's 3

[deft lily]

i only ever talk here in lol

[deft lily]

? whar

[dusk bronze]

[misty wren]

voting posting discussion

3 suggestions channels

[deft lily]

oh

im sure the suggestions discussion channel is very civil

[dusk bronze]

it is actually

[deft lily]

i see

[late eagle]

Hey doze, will supernova get the funny cartoon smoke too?

[lapis oak]

I like that Squirrel's acorn having small AoE hitbox

it's nice

[hasty hawk]

4 actually

#1178515062030348308

thats where the buff or nerf item suggestions go

[dusk bronze]

i consider that to be an offshoot of bug reports

[hasty hawk]

with how often devs check it... maybe you're onto something

Altho 90% of bugs are just another mod's fault so I dont blame em

[main estuary]

it's useful for pre-boss zombie killing

especially when four of them spawn at once at night in death mode

[lapis oak]

imposter spotted

[terse dew]

Yooooop

amoung

[rotund venture]

doze make a weapon rework that isn't sick as hell challenge difficulty impossible

[vivid hemlock]

[late eagle]

Okay I finally tried burning revelation

As the number 1 yoyo hater I must admit this is actually goated

[dusk bronze]

true

[late eagle]

You win this time stomp...

[barren nacelle]

Sealed Sexuality

Estrogen Bomb my beloved

[dull heart]

Lacerator

[fierce hearth]

Yoyos can be good stomp is right to fight for their dignity

[barren nacelle]

It might be viable for DoG now

[fierce hearth]

[late eagle]

If we could have more cool yoyos like burning revelation I might just do an entire run of yoyos for the first time

[dull heart]

It's not

[barren nacelle]

3 MINUTE SIGNUS KILL!?!?!

Mortifying

[rotund venture]

damn cant even glaze a dev these days

[late eagle]

The creator hates it's creation😔

[dull heart]

Cit nerfed it after I made it balanced

So now it's just

Really bad

[barren nacelle]

I was gonna say it had local iframes upped and damage dropped

[lapis oak]

this is all CIT's faults

[still bluff]

the CIT effect

[barren nacelle]

We need to kill CIT

[dull heart]

it went from 150 to 100 iirc

[late eagle]

Hey doze can u respond this pwease🥺

[grave geyser]

I have yet to see shark buff a weapon just saying

[lapis oak]

also can someone inform me as to whyyy the hell did Lucrecia get nerfed

[barren nacelle]

Hey I can't help but noticce that money has been going down are people funding you

[grave geyser]

it was
broken as fuck

[dull heart]

No

[late eagle]

It was...?

[pulsar cobalt]

cit be like: hmmm if i play perfectly against yharon i can kill him in 10 seconds with murasama so clearly it needs to be 10x weaker

[late eagle]

Lucrecia...?

[grave geyser]

yes
on paper it required high agression but the weapon did so much fucking damage that it barely mattered

[lapis oak]

so how is it now

[fathom girder]

and cit is right

[barren nacelle]

Hmmm... if you use Monolith Sword while on methamphetamine against Brain you can get a 30 second kill... somebody nerf that

[grave geyser]

still really good with agression

[pulsar cobalt]

have u seen cit fight yharon

[fathom girder]

no

[barren nacelle]

46 second cultist

[pulsar cobalt]

hes like next to him 99% of the fight

[barren nacelle]

remarkable

[pulsar cobalt]

😭

[fathom girder]

...okay?

is that not normal or

[dull heart]

No

[fathom girder]

huh

guess I'm also cracked

[lapis oak]

looks good

[dull heart]

The average player does not play very close to yharon

[still bluff]

CIT yharon is a sight to see

[vivid hemlock]

cit is the boss not yharon lmao

[pulsar cobalt]

no i mean like actually next to him

[pulsar cobalt]

YEAH

[fathom girder]

yes I also do that on tmelee

on mage I hovered close but I wasn't like next next to him

[lapis oak]

did you record any

I wanna see it

[pulsar cobalt]

no

[lapis oak]

f u

L

[pulsar cobalt]

im sure someone in tiercord can pull one up i think

[lapis oak]

any tiercorders in chat

[vivid hemlock]

[polar tide]

?

[rotund venture]

use creator code CHIPPY at checkout for a discount!

[dull heart]

my name

[polar tide]

OH

im really tired and also stupid

[barren nacelle]

And short!

[late eagle]

tiny

Little

Baby

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-stand-paws-punch-sock-kitten-cat-stand-paws-gif-23473672

[barren nacelle]

Looking at weapons that are rather dated and or have minimal reworks and have found some bangers

Why are you green

[barren nacelle]

its you!

[late eagle]

It is

[barren nacelle]

Soul Harvester is the weapon ever

Donor coded

[rotund venture]

burning sky my behated

[late eagle]

I was really surprised soul harvester wasn't donor

[barren nacelle]

BURNING SKY MY BELOVED

outstanding bit

[polar tide]

reminds me i hope we can get a rework for grave grimreaver because its so fucking cool but you use it and it just isnt viable and it makes me sad

[barren nacelle]

Please please please give it a stealth strike and make it so that it doesn't invoke summoner damage penalty

have you guys been able to get in touch with the donor?

[polar tide]

idk

[barren nacelle]

MadameSpooks

[polar tide]

idk if literally anyone but me cares about grave grimreaver so

[late eagle]

Me

[barren nacelle]

I like grave grimreaver

[late eagle]

Me cares

[barren nacelle]

for its sprite

[grim pecan]

i do. grimreaver was fine last patch, i don't think it got any changes

[late eagle]

:(

Green sickles are cursed

[polar tide]

i wishg it wasnt a donor item so we coudl make it like an excessively halloween themed item

[grim pecan]

it got a small stealth nerf

[polar tide]

naurrrr

[late eagle]

[barren nacelle]

Celestial Claymore is the weapon ever

Biome Mimic drop for why

[late eagle]

Weird that we still didn't got a rework for it

[barren nacelle]

and then we have the weapon with TheSpriteEverTM

Solstice Claymore

[late eagle]

Or idk, some visual changes at least

[barren nacelle]

Hey here's a fun fact

[rotund venture]

weapons I forgot exist

[late eagle]

I remember someone saying they plan to rework it

[barren nacelle]

Solstive Claymore has never had a major rework

It has had a good dozen or so damage changes

some rarity shifts

[late eagle]

Is it donor?

[barren nacelle]

Nope

[late eagle]

Man make it good plsss

[barren nacelle]

!wiki Solstice Claymore

[mortal sinew]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Solstice_Claymore

[polar tide]

maybe my dev weapon should be the spooky halloween bullshit that i wish grave grimreaver was

[rotund venture]

insane that even after Brainstorm reworked so many weapons we still have a ton that are just bleh

[barren nacelle]

Graver Grimmerreaper

[late eagle]

Do it be evil

[rotund venture]

weapon bloat is actually real

[polar tide]

exactly

[late eagle]

We could have less if we could kill all donors

[barren nacelle]

Solstice Claymore is just a weird Luminite Tier Beam Sword upgrade

[rotund venture]

please dont kill me

[late eagle]

[frozen horizon]

What is your Dev Weapon?

[polar tide]

i dont have one

[late eagle]

The cat weapon

Wait we already have that in vanilla damn

[barren nacelle]

I find the added forbidden weapons funny cuz like

O... okay?

[rotund venture]

we also have one in cal with meow thrower

[barren nacelle]

Forsaken Saber for example

[frozen horizon]

Any ideas?

[polar tide]

several

[barren nacelle]

Projectile sword #36521 thats biggest change was an overtune and then an adjustment

[late eagle]

Carny dev item will be a nyan cat accessory

[polar tide]

no

[late eagle]

😢

[frozen horizon]

Are they all Shadowspec?

[frail tapir]

[polar tide]

i havent developed any of them enough to know whether they'd be shadowspec or not

i only have a bunch of rudimentary ideas in my head that i think would be cool for weapons

[frozen horizon]

What ideas?

[late eagle]

Bye everyone I need to sleep😴

[devout ivy]

I have an annoying question ;w;/

[frozen horizon]

👋

[rotund venture]

shoot

[polar tide]

devilsknife from deltarune
justice and splendor from ultrakill
pair of weapons based on my cal ocs
and now Halloween Weapon

[barren nacelle]

I LOVE GABRIEL

Actually I hate him

Because my wife loves him a little too much

I lay in bed and see Gabriel

Fuckass body pillow

[frozen horizon]

That's rough buddy.

[polar tide]

if i had gabriel body pillow i would never have trouble getting to sleep again

[arctic cliff]

the gabriel body pillow taunting crispy:

[devout ivy]

the lastest Tmodloader is very upset wtih me about trying to run the current version of calamity on it's most recent patch? whenever i try to reload the mods without a full restart, I've been getting a weird error that says calamity's outdated. I think it could be a compatibility issue, since calamity does successfully load if i relaunch the game after it's been enabled, but if i reload within the game itself that's when the error happens

[arctic cliff]

ya gotta verify game files on steam to make sure ya mods are up-to-date

[frozen horizon]

Gordon Freeman's crowbar would go hard ngl.

[barren nacelle]

YEAH

HE LAUGHS

IN MY FACE

And then I turn to my other side and the Gabriel Plushie is there

[fathom girder]

Crispy

You need to cosplay as gabriel

[polar tide]

ive never played half life so i would not do this for my dev weapon sorry

[barren nacelle]

I've proposed this to which she said it would be "a crude imitation"

[frozen horizon]

In that case, I think Justice and Splendor are probably the coolest ideas.

[barren nacelle]

I'm a little muscular but not gabriel muscular

I just have to accept that my wife is going to be taken from by Archangel Gabriel

[polar tide]

if it makes you feel any better there's no way that gabriel swings that way

[barren nacelle]

Thank GOD

She did say she has found herself infatuated by the new Archangels shown in Fraud tho

[fathom girder]

They're all cool

[fathom girder]

So you could pull off a v1

Or actually wait you could maybe do one of the other archangels

Or you could be a power

[barren nacelle]

There is one whos name is very close to mine but its also her least favorite

[frozen horizon]

Phanuel is a metal skeleton vro

[barren nacelle]

I COULD

That's the one actually

That's the one she doesn't really like but it is really close to my name

I can't even call it a deadname I haven't even picked a new one

[devout ivy]

tbh i just sorta went with the girl-flavor'd version of my deadname at first, and then picked something i liked from "common NZ baby girl names" google search >u>;

[rotund venture]

what's a deadname sorry if thats a dumb question

[frozen horizon]

It's not an alive name that's all I know.

[barren nacelle]

Trans persons' name pre transition

[devout ivy]

Deadname's transgender slang for the name you previously went by, that's not used anymore.

[barren nacelle]

Like every single person I've ever met has had a near identical idea for a new name

Here I'll try it on you guys

[devout ivy]

sometimes it's still on legal docs because depending on where you live, it could be real damn expensive to change ;0;

[barren nacelle]

My name is Nathaniel. What should my name be

[polar tide]

girlthaniel

[soft plover]

Yes

[barren nacelle]

true...

[rotund venture]

Natalie?

[barren nacelle]

FUCKING NATALIE

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[stable dove]

natalia

[devout ivy]

Noelle's a good name,

[barren nacelle]

NATALIE NATALIA

[soft plover]

Deltarune

[barren nacelle]

I've thought about Noelle actually

[devout ivy]

if you're not married to N names i've always been keen on jennifer

[barren nacelle]

But yeah Deltarune's connotations

That's my aunts name so thats a no go

[tawny spear]

Why it is so hard to find anahita? I got chaos candle and water candle on and still have to wait for so long

[stable dove]

nathaniala

[devout ivy]

girl fuck the connotations name yourself what you wanna be called!

[barren nacelle]

I also just dislike the name

[stable dove]

call urself megatron lowkey

[barren nacelle]

Hmmm...

Anahita

[soft plover]

Names are hard

[rotund venture]

as interesting as this conversation is I do feel like it should move to #general-talk

I myself am gonna go look up some stuff since I'm appearantly more ignorant that I realized

[soft plover]

Happens

[tawny spear]

Why it is so hard to find anahita? I got chaos candle and water candle on and still have to wait for so long

[polar tide]

i was never able to relate to the thing where trans people just pick a masculine/feminine version of their deadname because my chosen name is not even remotely close to my deadname

[barren nacelle]

I was about to ask why am I evil

[polar tide]

my name is alex and my deadname doesnt start with an a and is also very italian

[frail owl]

jerry

[barren nacelle]

Alexito

[devout ivy]

ok so wait

[frail owl]

by the way car man, can you send me more cat pics?

[devout ivy]

maybe it's not calamity itself tmodloaders mad with, but addons for it?

[barren nacelle]

My friends deadname is Alex and he changed his name to Alex

[frail owl]

[rotund venture]

disable calamity overhaul

[polar tide]

me

i dotn have a deadname actually. alex forever

[tropic jolt]

every day draedon plushie gets closer

[barren nacelle]

You can have my deadname

[frail owl]

can you bestow upon me more cat pics?

[polar tide]

i dont want it im alex

[polar tide]

yeah hold on