calamity-update-talk

[dull heart]

It'll orbit and fire a few times

[fathom girder]

I see the logic

[dull heart]

But the tag lasts longer

[high scaffold]

DoG realy is an actual challenging boss now

[fathom girder]

Isn't it wonderful

[dull heart]

hear me out

Void Concentration active is just rod of discord

[pulsar cobalt]

does sand cloak not work with default dash

[dull heart]

It doesn't for some reason

[fathom girder]

it does not

[dull heart]

I need to fix that probably

[high scaffold]

I have gotten to a point where I get him into second phase before the first laser wall

[pulsar cobalt]

yea im doing weaponless so i was like "oh right sand cloak that might help"

but nope

[fathom girder]

yeahhhh

I had the same logic when I tried that run

thankfully SoC isn't hard to get

[high scaffold]

I would do more tries on DoG but my hands are not feeling it anymore

[fathom girder]

sand cloak's damage is actually helpful once you get a dash

[high scaffold]

In my best attempt so far I have been hit only 3 times

[fathom girder]

ooo nice

dmode?

[high scaffold]

Ye

Banshee hook and Ambergris are doing wonders

[ionic geyser]

y'all the removal of items like the trapper bulbs and cores had me so confused. just read the changelogs on the removals. honestly they make sense.

[fathom girder]

yeah, the removed items were utter fluff

they saved you a lot of time in the crafting menu mostly lul

[ionic geyser]

I thought there was something wrong with my Tmodloader. Didn't even know there was a big update

[high scaffold]

I have learned how to coil DoG into an ellipse

To maximize damage from ram dashes

[fathom girder]

if you wanna do coil tech

I recommend spiteful candle

cuz that damage boost ignores DR, so you can make more use of the fact that you're surrounded mostly by his body

[tropic jolt]

how long do snails sleep

[high scaffold]

If this is how good reworked DoG is, imagine reworked Yharon

[lean relic]

Which one
Normal sleep or summer sleep

[tropic jolt]

nromal

[spark kiln]

can holy collider only hit back providences projectiles or does it work on other things

[dull heart]

only provis

[lean relic]

13-15 hours

[fathom girder]

and they said ultrakill references aren't in calamity

but we have feedbacker right here

[tender yew]

why is the Nucleosynthesis only shooting the nebula beam instead all 4?

[high scaffold]

Because it uses only nebula fragments instead of all 4 and is also resprited?

Honestly idk

Preparation for rework

[misty wren]

no its still supposed to shoot all 4

[misty wren]

my guess is that the other beams got pierce capped and despawned

[tender yew]

its suppose to shoot all 4 😭 i just wasted my time then ig

[tender yew]

😭

so i just wasted my time

[misty wren]

no

[tired adder]

oh, so they didn't recolor other beams

[misty wren]

it still should shoot all 4 the beams just work really fuckily with pierce

[high scaffold]

Its a bit weird to see weird to see it resprited but not reworked

[west ledge]

so hypothetically how high is 25k dps pre polty

[tired adder]

wait before you see the legion of celestia

[tender yew]

its only nebula rn idk why

[west ledge]

legion of celestia is dogshit imo

[high scaffold]

Legion doesnt shoot different projectiles at least

[grave geyser]

its fine

[west ledge]

honestly no

[tired adder]

yes, but it has no rizz

[west ledge]

even at its stage theres several better options

[tired adder]

it's just a PNG

[west ledge]

TPE is like infinitely better

[grave geyser]

you litterally have 3 weapons total

not being litterally the best option does not make it dogshit

[west ledge]

yeah i used flowers + TPE

[west ledge]

It isnt that its not the best option either

[high scaffold]

Out of 11 elemental weapons 4 are reworked rn

[west ledge]

it genuinely just doesnt feel that great

[tired adder]

couldn't even afford the afterimages

[west ledge]

also where is this

[grave geyser]

tierlist server

[west ledge]

link in #other-discords i assume

[grave geyser]

no

[west ledge]

do you have a link

[grave geyser]

no

[west ledge]

awesome so where exactly can i find it

[grave geyser]

ask one of these people

[west ledge]

oh so its a closed server

wouldve just ben easier if you started with that but thanks anyways

[desert garnet]

yea, and from what i heard they prefer people who help with testing

but

iirc there is a document

[west ledge]

i see

[desert garnet]

i dont have link to it tho

[west ledge]

why is it not just open for others though atleast the tier list part

[solar hare]

that server accepts no one because its funnier that way

[west ledge]

i mean i guess the doc would contain the info but idek the location of it

[solar hare]

this is true but like it doesnt matter

[west ledge]

I accept that answer because I like elation

[solar hare]

if youre chill and want to be there youd likely get in

[desert garnet]

i see

[dusk bronze]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10bgBHu7apfftITBOQVJrtYCiakZVGC4reJcvfJqMBEM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[desert garnet]

@west ledge

[west ledge]

thats weird to read

im not exactly sure how to parse it

[grave geyser]

in what way

[polar tide]

i love baby cats so much

[west ledge]

i take it not every weapons on there

and that its in a lot of testing due to new update

[grave geyser]

yes

[west ledge]

why is old lord claymore so high

[grave geyser]

big damage :)

[west ledge]

oh its tier/progression point

okay

[polar tide]

im not looking at the tierlist rn but before the most recent hotfix there was a bug where right clicking with it would deal 250% more damage lol

but its good without that too

[west ledge]

and none of the summons are on the list yet

yeah it was fixed

[grave geyser]

I mean
theres definitely a few on the vanilla one

[west ledge]

i understand that but im on calamity so

it doesnt really do much to know the vanilla one

[grave geyser]

wait nvm theres a whole 3 (three) cal minions listed

[west ledge]

Okay yeah my bad I should clarify that none of the summons for my progression point are on there

[grave geyser]

ah yeah
where are you atm

[west ledge]

Post providence pre polterghast

like 25k dps which ik is super high for this level

[grave geyser]

hmm
there actually are a few that got tested at that tier but one of them is stabbers which is lmao and the other idr if it got changed last update

[tired adder]

what

[grave geyser]

funny

[west ledge]

stabber just got changed too

[grave geyser]

mhm

[west ledge]

so its void by now until its retested

[grave geyser]

refering to which one

[tired adder]

crimson rod

it wasn't even changed in 2.1

[dull schooner]

wait i wanna know the timds for molotov cocktail

theres no way

[tired adder]

is every "setup" weapon considered broken by this group?

[grave geyser]

no

stuff like squirrel squire is only c for instance

[tired adder]

molotov cocktail was always nasty

also why does rain matter

[grave geyser]

it matters for rain armor not for molotov

[tired adder]

that feels like cheating

ah yes, a weapon is SS because my armor did half the work

[grave geyser]

I mean
it wasnt ranked based on the armor

[tired adder]

sure

[patent orbit]

Did Supreme Cali get her DR nerfed? I feel like she melted even easier this time (I fought Exos first and used Exo Blade)

[tired adder]

...but still, why?

is it to showcase, that molotovs are so goddamn busted that busted rain set can't keep up?

[grave geyser]

no its just for the sake of having rain armor numbers since nobody had really checked it since its nerf

if you notice theres also a set of times that dont use rain armor at all which were the ones actually used to rank it

[tired adder]

yeah, molotovs are really cool

[grave geyser]

fire :)

[tired adder]

still

that choice looked bizzare

is it because there is no tier lists for armor set bonuses?

[grave geyser]

pretty much?

[tired adder]

also kill times aren't on the doc

[grave geyser]

yeah last update times weren't added to the doc until much later

[tired adder]

feels like they should be adding times now

to not search them across entire server

[dull heart]

honestly

The entire doc is a little outdated of a system probably

there's certainly a better way to record it that's more sortable and analyzable

[dull schooner]

wild

[dull heart]

my thought is to store it on a GitHub repo and use a GitHub site to display the data

then all the formatting and everything can be done automatically

@lyric trellis would you be interested if I was to set up something like that

[tired adder]

I did tell Gps to add testers commentary to the sheet

but they haven't responded

[mystic eagle]

The commentary is done via the killtimes section

[dull heart]

I could even set up my testing mod to be able to automatically export test data in the format the GitHub wants

[lyric trellis]

That sounds like a good idea probably, though I’d have to see how it looked first

[tired adder]

the submitting could also be automatic, tbh

[lyric trellis]

Pretty sure I did

[tired adder]

yes

I haven't phrased it correctly

(god, semi-broken spacebar makes me respond so slowly)

[dull heart]

the end user design could be basically anything, since we'd have the data of the tests stored in the GitHub able to be formatted however we want automatically (and it'd be more searchable too!)

I could throw together a draft sometime later

[lyric trellis]

Alright sounds good

[west ledge]

aura

[tired adder]

yes, but from what I looked on 2.0.7

it's just generic phrases

[deft lily]

hello

[mystic eagle]

These used to get added but weren't really worth the extra effort adding them to the doc

[tired adder]

I guess I wanted "no we can't do that" or "yes we can do that"

[mystic eagle]

Pre 2.1 testing was done really fast in order to get a good class setups revamp out fast

[tired adder]

which more speaks about my selfishness

[junior obsidian]

sorry for ping but where do you access this sheet?

[distant agate]

what ranger weapon you anyone reconmend for prov?

[grave geyser]

(I think its funny that the message gets posted places but the context you have to actively go looking)

[distant agate]

im using the golden eagle and the onyx chain blaster rn

[tired adder]

good question

I don't remember

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10bgBHu7apfftITBOQVJrtYCiakZVGC4reJcvfJqMBEM/edit

here's link

[west ledge]

is there any weapon that does damage based on how many other minions are currently summoned

[tired adder]

but idk where else it exists on a server

[dull heart]

it was, in fact, viable

[grave geyser]

just a bit

[tired adder]

should be in https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/1179646945652920341, tbh

[junior obsidian]

ty

[dull heart]

ughh if I wanna make tierlist website

I need to use JavaScript again

ughhh

[grave geyser]

fate worse than death

[dull heart]

I could probably figure out how to like

use blazor or something

[grave geyser]

(additional funny)

[dull heart]

time to retest spider

[grave geyser]

true...

[dull heart]

goodness I have so much work to do on my test mod

[west ledge]

@dull heart do you know of any summons that scale its damage with how many minions you have summoned

[fathom girder]

Sirius

[west ledge]

yes part of me wants to see if the stupid dazzling stabber bug works

[west ledge]

i mean other summoned minions

[dull heart]

Vengeful Sun, Sirius, Void Eater Marionette, Saros Possession, Stardust Dragon, Abigail's Flower, and Desert Tiger Staff

[fathom girder]

Oh

[dull heart]

Oh

No there's none that scale based on other minions

[west ledge]

rip

[dull heart]

Only themselves

[fathom girder]

Welllllllll

[west ledge]

so i guess this is just the funny ss then

[fathom girder]

Techbuxally

[dull heart]

Except Angelic Alliance

[fathom girder]

Void concentration staff

That 5% is meta i swear

I SWEAR

[west ledge]

fuck it time to test void concentration and angelic

[dull heart]

That doesn't scale based on other minions

That's just 5% always

[fathom girder]

Explodes

[dull heart]

Crap

Now I'm split between

• making tierlist site
• updating test mod
• making void concentration good
• bugfixes for 2.1.3
• doing anything else

[tired adder]

make other devs do 2.1.3

[fathom girder]

Void concentration rework would make CV slightly more enjoyable i think

[tired adder]

it's not your job to fix the toys others broke

[fathom girder]

Cuz at least the rewards would be good

It literally is his job

[grave geyser]

dissing mirror blade

smh

[still cobalt]

i couldnt find much use for mirror blade tbh

[fathom girder]

I'M JUAT SAYIN'

[dull heart]

Mirror Blade and Evolution are already good

[fathom girder]

Yeah but

[tired adder]

no, they make better toys

[fathom girder]

...but...

[dusk bronze]

speaking of bugs, gauss magnetism can affect mysterious tablet

very funny

[dull heart]

Lol

[west ledge]

there are 69 archangels on my screen

[fathom girder]

Peak???

[dull heart]

hmm

swarmer really needs a retier

It's at such a bad position for its function

[west ledge]

aura?

[steel pike]

Tuff

[dull heart]

Fun fact

If you have 100 Dazzling Stabber

[west ledge]

my game is really badly lagging

[dull heart]

You can spawn an extra one for free

[fathom girder]

I wouldn't complain if you made the swarm post Dog

Just sayin'

[tired adder]

average fargos boss visuals

[dull heart]

I'd make swarmer like

Post ML or post provi

[tired adder]

[fathom girder]

I'd take post provi

Anything to extend the viability of a bee build

[dull heart]

(as in, 100 spawns or 300 minions total)

[tired adder]

301

cool number

[dull heart]

well no you'd get 303

Bc each spawn is 3

[still cobalt]

post ml could be cool

[west ledge]

you should keep the synergy between it and angelic alliance

[spark kiln]

why is this melee

[blazing field]

thats a spear brah

[west ledge]

melee isnt actually melee

[spark kiln]

it would work better as mage

[deft lily]

BEE MOVIE SCRIPT

[vivid hemlock]

i have no idea lmao

[blazing field]

my beloved

[vivid hemlock]

99% of its function is just ejecting a lightning bolt and not being a spear

[narrow helm]

Is it also lagging to you after updating to the latest version

[deft lily]

i can now post images again

[blazing field]

most melee weapon functions are shooting projectiles and not actually being melee

[deft lily]

steam happy

[tired adder]

they couldn't even make it a proper spear?

also, right click

my favorite

[pulsar cobalt]

theres already a weapon in vanilla thats melee that shoots lightning its called sky dragons fury

like

[blazing field]

How does it actually act ingame

[fathom girder]

quick how do we get umbara in trouble

[pulsar cobalt]

this is a thing that already happens

[blazing field]

Bcuz that just sounds like

a spear

with projectiles

which

[lapis oak]

it thrust like a spear and the spear does damage

[blazing field]

most melee wepaons already have

[lapis oak]

along with a projectile

[deft lily]

😔

[pulsar cobalt]

this isnt just a modded or calamity thing

[blazing field]

ok then yes this is like

perfectly normal

[pulsar cobalt]

this is just how it fucking works

[lapis oak]

it's literally the same as vanilla

[pulsar cobalt]

😭

[lapis oak]

(North Pole)

[blazing field]

guys North Pole

yeah

[high scaffold]

Skytide dragoon right click actualy has some true melee stuff

[blazing field]

😭 😭

it literally functions as a normal spear

it jsut has projectiles on it

when did we regress to thinking melee weapons r actually melee cmon ,,,

[lapis oak]

you can hit with the actual spear to deal more damage (good damage)

[still cobalt]

its right click does actually have a trrue melee spin with it

[blazing field]

yeah thats how most meleew eapons that arent tmelee work

they fire projectiles

[west ledge]

if you want melee you go true melee

[blazing field]

but if you get up close with the actual weapon

[lapis oak]

yeah and the spin does damage too

[blazing field]

it deals more damage

[tired adder]

because of hype backlash

[deft lily]

i think all swords should do summoner damage

[lapis oak]

it's literally a melee weapon with projectiles perfectly normal

[deft lily]

trust

[blazing field]

i think all swords should do sword damage

[west ledge]

if you want to play like a ranger feel like a mage and tank a shit ton then you go melee

[dull heart]

melee weapons use ammo and inflict tipsy and get ranger reforges

[deft lily]

^

yep

[fathom girder]

I wonder if skytide dragoon can work into endgame with the whole stats rebalance across the entire mod

[deft lily]

peak game design

[drowsy turret]

i should try fearmonger

[misty wren]

look ever since they gave burning sky ranged reforges class identity can be officially considered dead

[dull heart]

not yet

burning sky needs to benefit from summon tags still

[blazing field]

please

[fathom girder]

and also cost mana

[blazing field]

itd be so funny

[lapis oak]

Burning Sky needs a stealth strike still

[blazing field]

give it a stealth strikew hile you're at it 😭sob

[pulsar cobalt]

ever since vanilla decided to make 3 different "knife" weapons be different classes, class identity can be considered dead

[lapis oak]

also 50% effective from melee stats and 100% effective from other stats

[dull heart]

ever since 1.2 class identity was dead

enchanted sword killed it

[west ledge]

the only class that has identity is summoner

deadass the other 3 classes feel way too similar

[tropic jolt]

give it a mana cost of 10 to start using it

[drowsy turret]

infernum adds a new subclass for rogue

true rogue

because one whole weapon in the game does not use stealth

[blazing field]

• click to shoot projectiles

[fathom girder]

they shoudl call it throwing

[blazing field]

• click to shoot projectiles (but with ammo, sometimes)

[west ledge]

yup

[fathom girder]

I think a "throwing" class would be pretty cool

[blazing field]

• click to shoot projectiles (but oyu use mana, sometimes)

[vivid hemlock]

i love terraria game design

[west ledge]

summoner be like "click to make your minions shoot projectiles"

[mighty shale]

for the shpc what souls are the best to use?

[blazing field]

🔥 🔥

[tired adder]

people do not understand, that this game does not want you to hug the boss at all, therefore projectiles

as J Bame said on forums, 1.4.5 mandible blade is not greater, than other EoC options, but because melee's range options have been so dogshit, it looks OP

[fathom girder]

does skytide dragoon inflict a debuff

[blazing field]

"malicious thunder" debuff

[high scaffold]

I mean, Brainstorm BoC and DoG are fine for true melee

[blazing field]

its like thunder,

but evil

kills everything instantly

(idk lol but i assume it inflits one of the new electric debuffs.???)

[high scaffold]

I think it applies the old electricity debuff

[still cobalt]

any boss that dashes you is typically fine for tmelee tbh

[teal olive]

i hope that by the time tmodloader and calamity updates to 1.4.5 we get a weapon that makes the new terraria lightning hit enemies

[tired adder]

yes, that's what should be happening

bosses, that do not make tru meme a suicide mission

[teal olive]

it would be so fucking funny seing Pre HM bosses instakilled by a lightning

[tired adder]

overinflating tru meme stats just leads to 100500 resistances

[fathom girder]

Perfectly healthy desert biome
The pyramid all the way over there:

[high scaffold]

Plus the bosses that allow true melee to play more so normally should also play fine on most of the modded classes

Like that one class by that one guy that uses shields and parries

[twin mural]

Some dev must've really hated Deaths Ascension

Damage got literally cut in half since 2.1.0 lmao

[hoary meteor]

Fun fact pyramids don't generate as part of the main desert. You can find them there but only because the smaller deserts can happen to overlap with the main one

[fathom girder]

that's so dumb

[still cobalt]

deserved

[lapis oak]

dude it's like

it kills DoG in 1 minute

[still cobalt]

pre-DoG weapon and it was a great choice for yharon

[twin mural]

Y'know what

[lapis oak]

from a SS tier weapon to a S tier weapon no way

[twin mural]

Fair

[still cobalt]

it mauled DoG and was viable on yharon it needed to go

[twin mural]

I actually beat Infernum Yharon with death's ascension

[west ledge]

do you think theres a mod that hides minions

[twin mural]

3 mins iirc

[west ledge]

cuz the dazzling staffs too laggy atm cuz of the bug

[still cobalt]

same

[ember python]

any tips for summoner weapons for yharon?

[high scaffold]

Dodge and dont die

[ember python]

i liked the part where you named a summoner weapon

[dull heart]

no it was just

really really OP

it still is

the rework more than doubled it's DPS but we didn't change the damage at all to compensate

[lapis oak]

no one tested the thing?

[distant agate]

why did simplify accessory reforge option

get removed

[twin mural]

oh right

it got reworked iirc

[tired adder]

all reforges are as equally valuable now

[twin mural]

i still think it shoots scythes like crazy in right click

[dull heart]

because reforges on accessories got reworked

[dull heart]

yeah, but if you use the left click to spawn the rift you get double the scythes

plus the rift does damage too

[twin mural]

Rift?

Oh damn

Left click was just true melee and nothing else

[distant agate]

sure but why remove the option instead of having it off by default lol, so far ive sunk 200 plat today trying to get warding and im just not

[twin mural]

I really need to keep going on with my calamity world

Haven't touched it for a week

[lapis oak]

we really need to do something about getting the desired reforges

actually dog mechanic

[fathom girder]

Wait draconic destruction has its own debuff now?

[distant agate]

its stupidly annoying to just never get the reforge you want

[fathom girder]

what is it I can't exactly tell what it is

[lapis oak]

no

[tired adder]

goblin tinkerer quest

deliver him Tinkerer Workshop every day

and you can ask for specific reforge

[steep path]

wondering if i should submit this as a bug report - noticing something weird with archaic powder

• despite what the accessory claims (25% mining speed buff), it only buffs mining speed by 10
• despite what the accessory claims (does not stack with downgrades), it stacks with its downgrade

[teal olive]

i personally use a mod that lets you choose the reforge and it just spams the button till it apears

[halcyon seal]

Had a dream that I was fighting jared and he had like eye of cthulhu and retinazer in front of him for some reason

Why did I dream of mechdusa jared

[tired adder]

jared's famous brothers

Angler's Eye

and Gold Bunny

[steep path]

wait nvm it's not doing the second part anymore i must have hallucinated. But the first part is still true

[deft lily]

i once had a dream where yharim slammed his fist onto a table and killed everything within a 1000 mile radius

[halcyon seal]

Wait they should actually add that to the game

[deft lily]

[hasty tangle]

everything? that would include yharim himself

[tired adder]

was he eating auric landmine?

[hasty tangle]

calamity is saved

[deft lily]

true....

[deft lily]

no hes just really strong

[steep path]

Nevermind x2 - I got the 25% buff to work but it's dependent on the order you have the accessories equipped which is even weirder to me. I don't get why but if you have archaic powder below hand of creation you get less mining speed than the other way around

Hooray

[deft lily]

wth lol

very scrumptious

[blazing field]

yharim sitting down on a toilet and killing everyone around him due to the impact

[tired adder]

there are auric land mines in No traps and Zenith

[deft lily]

so true

[tired adder]

if you are extremely lucky

you can scavenge enough of them to get 5 auric bars

very funny and very impractical

[tropic jolt]

zap the bosses

[tired adder]

but you also will die

[west ledge]

is ts aura

damn it i cant fight any of the bosses now they die too fast

😭

aura farming

[drowsy turret]

chieflogan was generating worlds for 5 hours today to get a world with 250 of them

[west ledge]

when dazzling staber staff bugfix

[burnt tundra]

Death + Master was always that easy?

[dull heart]

when 2.1.2 releases

[west ledge]

im gonna miss this bug lmfao

[dull heart]

the

the one where it just gets really loud?

or is there a second bug i don't know about

[west ledge]

no the one where it sounds as summoning one fucktillion minions

[lapis oak]

what...

[grave geyser]

I think you mean

2.1.3

[steel pike]

Yujiro hanma ass move

[dull heart]

i meant

2.1.3 yes

[lyric trellis]

2.1.2 2

[dull heart]

2.1.2.1

[grave geyser]

2.1.0

[fathom girder]

oh so wait

are the hive pack updates live

[west ledge]

tbf its probably the accessory im using making me do 86 million damage

[dull heart]

yes

[grave geyser]

yes

[fathom girder]

swag

[west ledge]

i doubt this is actually the one fucktillion uncountable minion slots

[fathom girder]

decanter hive pack run here I goooooooooo

[deft lily]

what a calamity

[dull heart]

yeah uh

that's pretty strong

[west ledge]

yeah ik lmao

[fathom girder]

what in the overhaul is that

[west ledge]

its a mod

[grave geyser]

I've seen stronger

[west ledge]

i wanted to see if the extra minion slot bug counts for it

[fathom girder]

alright goku

[west ledge]

or wtv it is

1 frame kill providence tho so thats fun

im gonna test it with vanilla gear afterwards though this was just me having fun with it for the hell of it

im on a solid 10fps the entire boss rush though

[distant agate]

has anyone used the dazzling stabber staff since it got nerfed

its broken now lol

[ember python]

yup

[west ledge]

it is bguged yeah

[distant agate]

that noise is magical

[west ledge]

i just wish there was a way to fix the lag

like disable its animation

[ember python]

i was told to use sirius instead

[west ledge]

playing in 0.25x speed atleast makes dodging easier

W skill issue option

[distant agate]

they arent causing lag for me but i got quite a beefy pc so maybe thats why

[west ledge]

yeah im on 17fps

[distant agate]

holy shit lol

thats a shame, this is my fav summon weapon

[hushed monolith]

if you are able to figure out and fix the projectile bug this weekend when could we expect the bugfix update to actually come out.

[dull bobcat]

does anybody know of a list of the weapons overhauled in the update? i wanna try them for a run

[grave geyser]

kiri made a list prior to the update that is still mostly accurate

[dull heart]

i do not know at all

i also don't have high hopes of me solving that bug

[lyric trellis]

Doesn’t include Nanoblack so Kiri will be punished

[dull heart]

i've looked at it some and have absolutely 0 idea

[hushed monolith]

👍

[dull heart]

but i'll try to ensure someone looks at it

[still cobalt]

Anyone using this keep in mind that there are some issues with the tiering of things.

[hushed monolith]

all good sorry for being impatient, my group just wants to continue our playthrough

[hushed monolith]

thank you again

[west ledge]

trying to find a mod that removes visual effects

i cannot deal with this lag 😭

[distant agate]

god you and me both

you playing summoner?

[west ledge]

yh

[distant agate]

i think the mod needs to add a summoner transparancy slider anyway, even outside of the lag i cannot see the bosses attacks with some summons

[west ledge]

yh

[buoyant pulsar]

these hooligans want me to play with wingslot ts is so ass 😭

[lapis oak]

bully...

[dull bobcat]

incredible, this is just what i was looking for 🐸 👍

[still cobalt]

Jus dont use it

[west ledge]

starting to think dazzling stabber shouldnt be making 69 angels cuz the herring staff doesnt but i really hope its not patched regardless

😭

[buoyant pulsar]

genuinely why did desert prowler and snow ruffian swap

what was the reasoning

[lyric trellis]

2 ranger desert armors pre-boss is dumb

[west ledge]

thats herring staff with the same amnt of slots, way less than what it is with the stabber staff, so either stabbers bugged or the herrings bugged

@dull heart which one is bugged

im really hoping its the herring staff i like the 60 angel bug 😭

[dull heart]

herring is technically only one minion

it just looks like 3

[west ledge]

so stabber is actually 3 minions

[dull heart]

yes

[west ledge]

which means its intended

[dull heart]

yes

[west ledge]

thank god

embed fail

😭

[fathom girder]

This world fucken rules

[fathom girder]

the average world height is almost in space

[west ledge]

seen as this is the only minion that counts for three

[fathom girder]

so it's always semi-dark all the time

[west ledge]

im going to do a lot of testing now

[distant agate]

my current world is the same lol

[west ledge]

my funny bone has been triggered

[fathom girder]

IT'S SO COOL

[distant agate]

ufo probes spawn in the desert

[white nexus]

To any devs who see this:

Are the summoner bugs currently being looked at, or is it gonna be a while?

[distant agate]

bro fucking what

[thorny fjord]

wdym

[still cobalt]

Snow ruffian mid and cooler as ranger

[thorny fjord]

the summons despawning was fixed. Only current summon bug should just be with stabbers

[west ledge]

they already said by 2.1.3 alot of em will be fixed

[white nexus]

Wait what? When were they fixed? I've been waiting for an announcement, lol

[west ledge]

btw does anyone here know of any accessories like angelic alliance that scale with amount of minions spawned

[thorny fjord]

2.1.2

[west ledge]

i wanna see if theres a way to abuse stabbers unique gimmick

[lean relic]

Check walls again
Its inside the walls

[distant agate]

dude i have never seen a dungeon go all the way to hell before

[white nexus]

Heck. Why no word in server's announcements or changelogs? Like... Nanoblack reaper was bigger than an entire class being fixed?

[still cobalt]

Archives

[thorny fjord]

it's in changelogs, but probably should have been mentioned in the announcement

[lean relic]

No raesh
Just hotfix updates isnt posted in #changelogs

[white nexus]

I bet it's in the online changelogs, but I can't find it in- ^ SeuEarth's got it.

[lean relic]

It will be posted in #changelogs when upcoming update is not hotfix

[white nexus]

Okay.

[lean relic]

So better check wiki to see

[fathom girder]

OOH Imma do a yoyo run for this I think

[white nexus]

Looking at the online Changelogs for 2.1.2 I still can't find it. Just general visual/audio and damage changes.

[west ledge]

yall please

I must know

[white nexus]

Oh wait, found it.

[fierce hearth]

Only one I know is yharon soul, but that's just More Slots if using the one summon

[fathom girder]

question about sickness debuffs

do ALL sickness debuffs transfer to nearby enemies if the enemy dies to the debuff

[west ledge]

yh unfortunately isnt gonna work

[fathom girder]

Because currently my plagued targets are inflicting every nearby enemy with plague after they die

[strange cargo]

I mean, the rune line kinda does that bc theres more minions to proc it

But thats prolly not what ur looking for

[west ledge]

nucleogenesis too but its capped

[lean relic]

Yeah

Attempted a fix to issues with minions randomly despawning after an indefinite period of time.

[hazy yoke]

are there any true melee options for yharon besides murasama

[west ledge]

oop

im not even at moonlord yet

moonlord? i mean polty

[mystic eagle]

no

[hazy yoke]

bruh

like 20 melee options and one true melee option

and it's not even good

I give up

on true melee

what normal melee weapon should I use

[west ledge]

many such cases

[white nexus]

@thorny fjord Vile Feeders still not attacking.

[west ledge]

damn

polterghast is gonna fucking fall over bro

😭

virid vanguard atp is bringing me down

[thorny fjord]

they are attacking enemies fine for me, just not super dummy

[white nexus]

For me they do this with any enemy, requiring the enemy's hitbox to collide with theirs before their AI gets fixed.

[lean relic]

Sounds like mod conflict

[thorny fjord]

No, I do see that behavior. They work fine after they hit something, but do nothing before

I'll look into it when I have time

[white nexus]

Thank you!

[west ledge]

btw this update partially removed whip stacking right

[thorny fjord]

2.1 did yes

[west ledge]

i see

rip everything other than tprisma

[lean relic]

Yes because it melted Lunatic Cultist in 10.04 seconds before

[west ledge]

thats not why it was removed

[lean relic]

I know 1.4.5 removed them also

[thorny fjord]

Whip stacking is largely problematic yes. We kept part of it though so it's still good if you want to do it

[west ledge]

what part did you keep

just the faster atk speed or

[thorny fjord]

Whip tag doesn't stack, but I believe the buffs do

Or something similar to that

[west ledge]

so the dark harvest + firecracker + dark harvest still works

[distant agate]

anyone got ranger weapon reconmendations for the 3 bosses before DoG?

i killed ceaseless already but im stuck on storm weaver

[halcyon seal]

Summoner is still the best class in the game

[west ledge]

ik

i dont think i doubted that

[still cobalt]

Best probably goes to like ranger actually

[distant agate]

lmfao no

[trail stag]

did the new update fix projectiles not working? I think its something to do with the burrowers

[mystic eagle]

correct

[lean relic]

Auralis
Btw did you attacked the tail

[trail stag]

so is it fixed?

[mystic eagle]

Confidently, no

[distant agate]

yea of course i broke the tail first, ty

[still cobalt]

Its the one thats most consistently good at like every stage in progression

[distant agate]

ranger straight up sucks ass for all of hard mode, theres just no way it can be the best class at that point

[still cobalt]

What ranger are you playing

[distant agate]

its way better post moonlord but god damn hardmode was miserable

[still cobalt]

Hardmode was acc free as ranger

[distant agate]

the one that has less survivability and like half the damage as every other class

[mystic eagle]

I've done weapon tests for a large amount of ranger and melee weapons thus far and melee has overall been the better option

[halcyon seal]

So is summoner

There is no stage where summoner is anything less than excellent

Especially pre-2.1.2 when you could use spider staff on Providence

[distant agate]

so far ive done mage and summoner, obviously summoner was busted for a bit and got nerfed but they were easily the best, mage has much much much better damage than ranger in hardmode and also has insane amounts of life steal so they basically cant die, melee just seems good overall from what ive seen

and i dont care about rogue

[mystic eagle]

In the current from what has been tested thus far, Star Cannon is the only Ranger SS Tier

[distant agate]

but yea ranger could legit get their hardmode weapons' damage doubled and they'd be a bad mage for hardmode

[halcyon seal]

That makes sense, reverted to vanilla right

[distant agate]

star canon carried my ass

[mystic eagle]

iirc yes

[halcyon seal]

Star Cannon SS isn’t like, that much SS to me

Also isn’t Molotov Cocktail also SS

[mystic eagle]

Like even with the ammo, it's too strong not to be included in it

[mystic eagle]

Yes

[lean relic]

give rogue some love 🥹

[halcyon seal]

I get that, maybe I’m just looking at things too classically when you could easily make some conveyors and just get stars that way

[mystic eagle]

Slick Cane

[halcyon seal]

But I feel like the ammo has to put it at least a bit below other weapons of a slightly lesser caliber yk

[dull heart]

yes

[west ledge]

ok so i tested its dps on non multi segmented enemies like the ceaseless void

[deft lily]

sloome

[lean relic]

Absolute cinema

[west ledge]

what accessory was gigabuffed for irradiated

[grave geyser]

scions curio?

[west ledge]

ye

[lone flame]

sloome

@bronze kettle

[bronze kettle]

Sloome.

The Sloome is coming. You cannot stop it.

The prophets have spoken.

[deft lily]

sloome will return in avengers doomsday

[bronze kettle]

For all shall be embraced by Sloome.

[fathom girder]

??????????????????????

since when could a water chest spawn on a sky island

[deft lily]

interesting

[tough maple]

got a question is 2.0 balanced for 1.4.5?

[tropic jolt]

1.4.5 doesnt support mods yet but when it does calamity will balance around it

[solar hare]

cant wait

‼️

[tropic jolt]

‼️

[west ledge]

is this calamity dev language for i hate my life

[solar hare]

not exactly but youre close enough

[tropic jolt]

possession is coming

[west ledge]

ok lets go with "fuck"

aura

[brittle escarp]

I know I am very late to the party, but I would argue that ranger is strongest in pre-hardmode, where it has a ton of good options. Its definitely the worst beginning of hardmode (I was literally getting 200dps against cryogen, no joke), but I was still able to beat leviathan on my first try with the holofibre immolator (like 800dps) so its definitely not impossible. It really struggles from plantera-cultist, but new gear like the arc nova diffuser really help fill in those gaps. Post ML it has the superradiant slaughterer, but it does struggle a little bit for DoG (unless the reworked Halley's inferno changes that). Yharon gives the flamethrower, which is incredible for mechs (40-80k dps), and while there isn't a super standout option for SCal, post SCal gives the soma prime, which is also incredible

the recent additions of things like the reworked daawnlight and even the storm bow from storm weaver or the reworked telluric glare also really help to close a lot of major holes for the class

I used to put it as the worst or second worst class and now I would say its like 3rd at the lowest (summoner on top, maybe melee in second just because its so hard to die with melee)

I think if they rework/buff all of the dozens of absolutely useless bows in hardmore (especially pre-mechs) the class will be in a really good spot

[fathom girder]

hoh lee jesus

[brittle escarp]

Sorry for the essay lol

[tropic jolt]

its certainly the most boring class

[brittle escarp]

I just feel like it doesn't have to be

it has so much untapped potential that is finally getting explored a little bit

More ammo types, more ammo conversions, more crit effects, more buffs to being accurate, more charge weapons, more weapons like the starmada which are mechanically interesting, more unique mechanics like the ontological despoiler which require switching and stuff

More things that aren’t just the phantasm or the minishark for the one billionth time

Like what if certain onyx blaster upgrades made the bullets home in and strike multiple times if an enemy is hit by the onyx shard. It encourages you to get closer for way higher dps, but still allows for targeting

Stuff like that

[west ledge]

every class is like that tho icl

like honestly easily the class with the most untapped potential is summoner

its no other class' fault though really

its just how theyre fundamentally designed

they can never be too much different from eachother

[fathom girder]

the most fun class is yoyo

[amber egret]

me personally i think the best class is generally always summoner or melee, except preboss to like around evil1 where its ranger

[fathom girder]

y'know

[amber egret]

melees just got a lot of options so a lot of versatility, and you really cant go wrong with summoner

you just cant

[fathom girder]

now that debuff spam is a viable thing that a buncha classes can do

I wonder if classes are generally closer than we think atm

[fierce hearth]

I mentioned wanting a summoner weapon that requires upkeep, something that takes inspiration from the stupid batteries in the only place it could be any interesting. Like you need to slow down to "recharge" your minion to maximize its damage at risk of your own health

[amber egret]

i mean you kinda described Feral Bobber

but thats all class so it doesnt really count

[fathom girder]

all summons should have an energy meter

you need to feed your summons for them to do more

[amber egret]

oh

actually

[fierce hearth]

Not literally hurting yourself, I meant like having to potentially put yourself in harms way

[amber egret]

you described Sirius

[fathom girder]

and each summon should require different foods

and it gets harder to upkeep leading to a difficulty curve

[fierce hearth]

Like you can't move full-speed while recharging this prospective minion

[amber egret]

ohh i see

[fierce hearth]

Trying to find safe windows to squeeze in a little bit of juice

I joked about feeding your minion protein shakes when I last mentioned it

[fathom girder]

I should be able to toss a stack of lemons down and watch as all my minions swarm the stack to eat

[fierce hearth]

Eels eating pizza

[amber furnace]

what if my summons eat the blood of my enemies

[fierce hearth]

Ducks annihilating a bowl of peas

[fathom girder]

inefficient

[fierce hearth]

Google search ducks annihilate a bowl of peas

[west ledge]

they are

literally

[brittle escarp]

I think the worst “class” is true melee, and even then it wasn’t that bad, even in death mode

[distant agate]

yea it felt good pre-hardmode for sure, hardmode basically just sucked start to finish and so far post moonlord has been good, but im about to fight DoG now so ill see how it goes from here on

[brittle escarp]

My most attempts was 60 at DoG, second most was like 6 attempts

[brittle escarp]

A lot of the arsenal weapons make hardmode a lot more fun

Also doing optional challenges like pre mech 2 leviathan is fun

[distant agate]

id still put mage over it tbh, could change right at the end and in all fairness mage mostly sucks in pre-hardmode (its really strong for wall of flesh)

[brittle escarp]

Leviatitan did like 4k dps to destroyer without reforged accessories or on-tier armor

I haven’t actually played mage

[distant agate]

so far the balancing in post moonlord feels all over the place tho, the golden eagle has been out doing all the other bullet weapons so far

[brittle escarp]

Mage and rogue are the only classes I haven’t played in full

[fathom girder]

mage is interesting cuz of chaos stone

[brittle escarp]

I really should try mage

[distant agate]

mage stars rough as hell but once you get past skeletron its pretty consistently strong right up until pre-cultist where it takes a short dip imo, then stays strong again

[brittle escarp]

Don’t you have specter armor at that point?

[distant agate]

i dont like rogue so i have no opinion on how good they are

[distant agate]

yea

[brittle escarp]

And like razor blade typhoon

Idk all of my mage knowledge is vanilla

[distant agate]

the issue for me was killing fishron, my damage for him was just awful

[brittle escarp]

And from like 8 years ago

[distant agate]

so i ended up just killing cultist and using the nebula blaze, which i then kept using for the next 5 bosses lol

[brittle escarp]

Fair lol

I just can’t wait for the 1.4.5 port and all the new whips and summoner overhaul so I can do another summoner run

At this point summoner is so strong I feel like it would be kinda boring

Maybe FTW?

Idk

[spark kiln]

awesome bug where my accessories can’t get best tier reforges

[distant agate]

not a bug

reforges got reworked so thats not a thing anymore

i just installed another mod to undo it

[zinc thicket]

is it worth fighting astrum deus

[fathom girder]

how very vague and open ended

what class are you playing

do you need hide of astrum deus

do any of the drops appeal to you

do you want astral bars for the armor

[loud pendant]

is water moving slower for u guys since the update

like i had an airlock system with a pump and it is like, less pleasing to look at now

ok im learning this has to do w the abyss and i checked my sulphurous sea,

it's drained completely? lol

this is a server so

[hasty coral]

why is it that when i reforge my accessory it becomes 2% buff like very single time

[thorny fjord]

Like you can't get certain reforges? Or just that they are less common

There are 4 of each "type" of reforges, so getting the ones that aren't a single stat is expected

[loud pendant]

for anyone else w this issue abyss should start filling up on its own, but using the "settle" command in console also helps

[hasty coral]

no like

almost every time i reforge its specifically 2% buff

like 2% melee speed 2% damage 2% melee speed

[prisma cipher]

i heart stratus sphere

[dusk bronze]

[twin mural]

now that the safe walls in the layer 2 of abyss has been fixed

i am required to make a new world right

[earnest jewel]

If you want the correct walls, yeah.

[high scaffold]

What if tainted blade line was reworked to be entirely true melee

[dusk bronze]

true

[twin mural]

is it possible to just change it with tedit

[earnest jewel]

Not at all.

[twin mural]

😔

[thorny fjord]

You should be able to actually

[high scaffold]

And if it retains the debuffing aspects make tainted blade be crafted from the basher

[thorny fjord]

The new update should support modded

[thorny fjord]

Otherwise, use cheat sheet to copy the layer from a new world into your old world

[twin mural]

what does that do

exactly

[thorny fjord]

Or just go to a new world every time you need stuff from layer 2 I guess

[misty wren]

ship of theseuses your layer 2

[thorny fjord]

It copy pastes

[misty wren]

its still layer 2 its just an identical copy of a layer 2 from another world

[twin mural]

oh

good

how does it work

[earnest jewel]

You have another world's Abyss.

Which has the fixed background.

[dusk bronze]

they're referring to the cheat sheet copy/paste feature

[misty wren]

enable cheat sheet, open the paintbrush tool, select all of layer 2 from a new worlds abyss, enter your original world (still with cheat sheet on!) and then use the paste function to paste over your layer 2

[thorny fjord]

Sometimes pasting water will giga lag, so you could need to drain it first, but hopefully just doing one layer wouldn't be bad

But yeah, I've done that to ship of Theseus my abyss when background walls were changed in the past

[high scaffold]

Abyss... Abyss rework with better generation creaters and enemies and potentialy even an ecosystem

[earnest jewel]

Little Timmy booting up Calamity's Abyss rework and finds the corpse of a god in the depths.

[twin mural]

so i must use the eye dropper on the entirety of the layer 2?

like

[misty wren]

yes

[twin mural]

dragging it across it all?

[misty wren]

yes

[twin mural]

oh dang

mmmmmm

i dont wanna use godmode to handle breathing in abyss

[misty wren]

just do it

if thats gonna make it easier for you just do it

[high scaffold]

I like that terminus now actualy looks like it has been laying in the abyss for a very long time

And its yellow now instead of red

[distant agate]

dude scorched earth is insane

[twin mural]

it worked perfectly

@misty wren @thorny fjord thank you both

[thorny fjord]

W, glad it didn't break anything

[thick saffron]

i saw phantasmal fury having 5k base dmg on a yt video, why was that?

and did they fix that?

[hasty tangle]

the star beam rye incident?

[grave geyser]

it was due to a potion so wildly overpowered that it got reworked less than a week after the update

[thick saffron]

ohh i see thank you

[hollow edge]

Is luxor's gift cracked now to the point it can stay post-moon lord?

[lyric trellis]

No

[grave geyser]

no its like super washed now

[fathom girder]

It doesn't even stick around in preboss builds

it's so bad

it looks cool but that's it

[hollow edge]

It looks more and more like the windows computer game it was inspired by.

[grave rock]

wheres the cool ppl

[fathom girder]

hi

[grave rock]

stomp is p cool

[pulsar cobalt]

they all died sorry

i killed them

[fathom girder]

I'd give myself a 60% cool rating

[grave rock]

aw man :(

they died?

[fathom girder]

the other 40% is when I get angry at someone

[pulsar cobalt]

yea someone unfortunately killed them

wonder who did that

[grave rock]

[polar tide]

https://tenor.com/view/stars-cat-baby-small-pathetic-gif-16212806501250617602

[fathom girder]

rekt

[gleaming light]

where tf

aura loss

[grave rock]

[distant agate]

dumb question

is there a fast way to farm the rover drive

as i suddenly need it for the sponge

[pulsar cobalt]

wulfrum lure

[distant agate]

ty

[steel pike]

hi

[steel pike]

hi cate

[thorny fjord]

Carny face reveal?

[polar tide]

yes

[fathom girder]

That can't be right

[steel pike]

actually

[obtuse hawk]

ngl i wish feral bite didn't exist

[deft lily]

no way

[obtuse hawk]

and bats too cause i fucking hate them

[fathom girder]

the rev and death AI for bats is so

obnoxious

[obtuse hawk]

it really is

you basically can't outrun them early-game and they can be extremely annoying

i mean yea they're easy to kill because cave bats only have like 32 health or something

[fathom girder]

Hopefully they tweak how they move cuz they are fine in vanilla

[obtuse hawk]

yea

does cal make it so feral bite can't inflict confused or

[fathom girder]

potentially

I only recall it inflicting blindness most of the time in cal runs

[distant agate]

anyone know a good ranger weapon to break the hearts at the start of the scal fight?

usually they go straight down but they just wont on ranger

[near relic]

yoo, any classes that got significantly buffed or something?

[obtuse mango]

Use heavenly gale bow

[distant agate]

thats post mechs

[obtuse mango]

It’s good trust me

[distant agate]

well yea, but i dont have it

[obtuse mango]

I still use it sometimes against calamitas or other bosses

[twin juniper]

Mage probably

[distant agate]

scal is much easier than mechs, if im stuck on her then i wont be beating them lol

[obtuse mango]

Lemme think of what else

[near relic]

hmm ok, wanted to try mage anyways

should I pivot to mage later when we get more stuff or is it fine early?

haven't tried it before

[sudden cairn]

mage is fun

[distant agate]

i didnt really struggle with mage in pre-hard mode but it can def feel shitty before you get any real weapons

diamond staff isnt exactly top tier lol

[obtuse hawk]

the fishing minigame still confuses me

is it supposed to only be used with rods that only use one bobber

oh wait i did it

hooray

[sudden cairn]

intense ahh minigame just to get a bass

[obtuse hawk]

cal rhythm minigame fish

[fierce hearth]

Reimplemented a modified version of Feral Bite inflicting random debuffs on the player:

• Now consistently applies one debuff every 10 seconds instead of timing being entirely random.
• Can inflict Weak, Darkness, Bleeding, and Broken Armor for 1.5-3.5 seconds.

2.1 changelogs

[obtuse hawk]

i see

ty

[fierce hearth]

It's now a very minor nuisance instead of being randomly extremely frustrating

Getting feral bite and then hit with confusion while fighting a biome mimic moment

[dense sundial]

the "new ai" is just vanilla but the numbers are bigger, so the tweak needed is just removing the change

in general i think rev+ enemy speed boosts seriously need to die

[obtuse hawk]

mach 7 antlion charger

[dense sundial]

antlion chargers breaking 200mph by jumping once:

[fathom girder]

Oh, wasn't aware

that makes things easier

[distant raft]

bats that have infinite accel......

[dull heart]

bats with malice dog ai

[fathom girder]

so nothing changes

[dull heart]

saying that made me want to work on roots...

wanna see something cool I've been working on calamity related

[fathom girder]

ooh yeah

[misty wren]

mmmmmmmmmmmm nah

[fathom girder]

don't listen to that shmuck

show us the goods

[dull heart]

very WIP and the data is not actually accurate it's just for testing

https://doze-zoze.github.io/CalamityTierlist/

[burnt basin]

ios this good to craft

[dull heart]

dunno tbh

[pulsar cobalt]

necklace of vexation is certainly

[open garden]

wow the new transformer is so nice against plantera

[pulsar cobalt]

an accessory

[burnt basin]

yeah and is it worth wearing in boss fights as a melee?

[sudden cairn]

havent seen anyone use it

[open garden]

would it be a constant 15% bonus damage if you use it with regenerator?

also if youre doing a bunch of other sickness debuffs it could be nice maybe to put on and boost with evergreen gin and maybe corrosive spine for a kind of poison build

[obtuse hawk]

antlion skewer kinda funny and morbid in a way

you just pluck the things out of the sand and throw them at enemies

[earnest jewel]

Great idea, that should be a Yharim drop.
You just throw his corpse at your enemies.

[obtuse hawk]

they explode into electricity

[fathom girder]

throw a table at your enemies

[burnt basin]

will this be replaced by asgards valor?

[fathom girder]

idk

will it

[obtuse hawk]

^

asgard's valor is meant for dash not for debuff immunity afaik

[burnt basin]

eh ok

[fathom girder]

if you want a dash AND immunities, check out high ruler

but that's a bonk dash

[misty wren]

more than that it doesnt have any

[fathom girder]

you'll have more distance and there's some tech you can use to rebound really fast

[obtuse hawk]

thats what i meant i just wasnt specific enough

(oops)

[steel pike]

how I bring nothing to the table when im the table

[fathom girder]

it's a two-stage attack

you slam it down on the ground

and then you press m2 to slam you fist onto the table

creating an explosion

[hard copper]

god killer table!

[fathom girder]

the explosion instakills anything on the screen if rage is active

[twin mural]

they didnt fix the bug i had found 💔

[fierce hearth]

Silver bug?

[misty solstice]

counter scarf better

[twin mural]

silver bullets

[twin mural]

nvm

ancient treasure chests disappeared

😭

[fathom girder]

your mom better

[deft lily]

what the fuck dude....

uncool....

[nocturne isle]

woah bruh..

[deft lily]

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