calamity-update-talk

[misty wren]

forsaken archive

[brittle escarp]

The CV one

It’s so nice

I always hating making dungeon arenas because you had to make background walls or they would enrage and it just sucked

[radiant sparrow]

You have to make them unsafe right

[brittle escarp]

I don’t remember anymore honestly

U think it just has to be the biome

*I

[dull heart]

make this red and it'd be straight out of vita carnis

[dull heart]

Polter and CV haven't cared about being in the dungeon for years

Longer than the archive existed

[brittle escarp]

This was like, 2018?

Something like that

Maybe 2019

[dull heart]

ah

[arctic cliff]

forsaken archive should pull a starlight river and have a unique background implying there's a larger library of schizo books

[tropic jolt]

which creature would fit in calamity best

[brittle escarp]

Polterghast enrages half the time anyway lol

[steel pike]

I forgot about vita carnis lowkey

[tropic jolt]

oh boy I have a bright future ahead of me
the humble harvester in the crimson:

[steel pike]

the humble face monster on master mode

[tropic jolt]

munch crunch

[west ledge]

so how far into the game is vengeful sun staff bis for

[versed heart]

Evil and fucked up Providence Roots

[regal vessel]

what is forsaken archive?

[arctic cliff]

a structure in the dungeon introduced by calamity

its basically an arena for you to fight polterghast and CV in

[regal vessel]

oh i didnt know it was called that lol

[radiant sparrow]

Oh my god vita carnis, has that been updated at all????

[dull heart]

Yes

Season 2 I think finished recently

[radiant sparrow]

Yeah wow holy shit

[lapis oak]

you can see all the names of pregenerated structures in the biomes page on wiki

@barren nacelle Giant Bee Hive is still old image 🐌

[tropic jolt]

🐌

[brittle escarp]

The new hive is so cool, but it does just guarantee you will have to fight both, which is fine

Saves time grinding

[teal forge]

What's the best true melee sword for the new brain fight? this is on death mode

[lapis oak]

Basher is good

[brittle escarp]

What’s the basher?

[teal forge]

Yeah basher is good until phase 2 tho

I can't get a single hit on phase 2

[brittle escarp]

I am also trying a true melee run and am very interested

[lapis oak]

post Acid Rain sword

[teal forge]

It's a weapon you can craft from acidwood and the material you get from acid rain

[brittle escarp]

What to do against EoC

Just old lord greatsword?

I used that and a summon (I know, I cheated) on king slime

[teal forge]

for eye of cthulhu i just used yateveo bloom

the right click version ofc

[brittle escarp]

How would one obtain that

[teal forge]

You can craft it with a lot of stuff

[brittle escarp]

Also, I am assuming the wiki/class guides are not updated?

[dull heart]

how is that cheating

[teal forge]

if you have jungle spores you can see the recipe

[lapis oak]

Jungle mats

[teal forge]

yeah it's not cheating to use old lord claymore lolo

[brittle escarp]

I was trying to do true melee only and folded on the first boss lol

[dull heart]

ah

[brittle escarp]

King slime is too w i d e

[dull heart]

ok if it was a self imposed challenge

[teal forge]

it is a preboss drop afterall

[dull heart]

fair

[brittle escarp]

Yeah absolutely

[teal forge]

i might have to get old lord claymore for brain too im struggling 😭

[dull heart]

try basher with the right click

[brittle escarp]

It hits like a truck but it’s swing speed is so slow

[dull heart]

It's pretty strong

[teal forge]

yeah im using basher rn

[brittle escarp]

The OLC is slow, that is

[teal forge]

The 2nd phase is what's bugging me tho

[lapis oak]

ye if you can only get a few hits in try right click

[teal forge]

especially because im on death mode

[brittle escarp]

Death mode gang

What did you do for KS?

[high scaffold]

Diagnosis, skill issue

[brittle escarp]

I might re-attempt without a summon

[teal forge]

True

I just can't tell what is happening ngl

[brittle escarp]

I could also get the marble/grabite monuments

The marble monument is so cracked

[teal forge]

i dont have trouble with the ichor and blood combo attack

[lapis oak]

Wulfrum Screwdriver

[brittle escarp]

Huh

[teal forge]

and i dont have problems with most of them

That one attack tho

where he makes like

5 billion brain copies

[brittle escarp]

I tried that but it’s just so small

[teal forge]

like wtf am i supposed to do

I haven't clocked it

[high scaffold]

I like no hit it every time

[brittle escarp]

Use like Amidas’ spark and the granite thing

[lapis oak]

you gotta find the real one without killing the mirages

[brittle escarp]

If he hits you he explodes

[teal forge]

Ohhhhh i can't kill the fake ones 🤦‍♂️

[high scaffold]

Fake clones give you debuffs when you hit them

[teal forge]

oh well thanks

I did not realize that ong

[brittle escarp]

Huh

[lapis oak]

ye they'll give you Burning Blood and a bunch of other glorpshit

[brittle escarp]

How do you not hit them? There is like a billion

[dull heart]

be patient

[lapis oak]

just walk to the real Brain

[dull heart]

Find the real one

[high scaffold]

Try using that one crimson accessory

[teal forge]

wel im true melee so it's easy to not hit them

[dull heart]

Walk over to it

And hit it

[brittle escarp]

Oh do they not do damage?

[teal forge]

yeee now i know

[lapis oak]

mirages don't deal contact damage

[dull heart]

only if you hit them

[brittle escarp]

OH

ok

[teal forge]

That's crazy alright

[dull heart]

Even if they did contact dmg

[brittle escarp]

That makes sense

[teal forge]

surely i win this time

[dull heart]

You could just wait

[lapis oak]

ye

[dull heart]

The brains circle around

[lapis oak]

they like cycling

I didn't get that attack tho last time

[high scaffold]

They are like limbo keys

[lapis oak]

killed him too fast

bro was just spamming the Blood Shots Ichor Rain

[high scaffold]

The scythe attack is cool

Where it first charges in a direction and then teleports around spawning red scythe blades all over the place

[radiant sparrow]

If you get unlucky he can do that move when your not in the centre and it pretty much stun locks you and you just accept death

[brittle escarp]

The humble lead armor

I feel like either lead or platinum has to be the best pre boss, right?

Like of the ore armors?

[dull heart]

how does it stun lock you it literally can't hurt you unless you hit it

[steel pike]

Most definitely

[brittle escarp]

Also, how on earth are you supposed to get enough DR for the platinum set bonus to matter

[regal vessel]

im enraged

[steel pike]

Are you sure I feel like I remember them doing damage without me hitting them

Maybe I’m wrong though

[regal vessel]

how tf are you supposed to dodge catastrophe and cataclysm attacks

[steel pike]

ender pearl

[regal vessel]

they zone the fuck out of you to the point where you just get hit guaranteed

[brittle escarp]

Cal Clone or SCal?

[regal vessel]

SCal

[brittle escarp]

Uh, I just go up and down until they stop, and then I pray, and then I go back to up and down

Save rage and adrenaline if possible

Idk, it’s the only part of SCal that ever kills me

Haven’t fully figured it out yet

[lethal kraken]

oh when did auric get new mining sounds, they cool

[regal vessel]

yea thats my problem bruh

you just have to pray you dont get zoned and get hit for 400dmg

its stupid

[brittle escarp]

What class do you play?

[lethal kraken]

it also keeps scaring the everloving shit out of me when i touch it lol

[barren nacelle]

Noted

[blazing field]

crispyt job he ll...

[distant agate]

does nighttime empress drop the summoner stuff still or do we have to fight her in the day again?

[dull heart]

prisma requires day

kalei never has

you don't really need prisma though so you can just do night

[distant agate]

im guessing you'd just use the spider staff for all of hardmode?

[rustic fulcrum]

Tf kind of question is that

[misty wren]

i mean

you could

[rustic fulcrum]

Prisma is fine but there’s a load of other good summons around that stage of the game

[misty wren]

it wouldnt necessarily be a bad idea

[distant agate]

spider staff is currently broken op lol

[rustic fulcrum]

Wait is it

Mb

[misty wren]

because spider staff is fucked up and evil right now

[distant agate]

all the spiders have their own i frames so it does monster dps

kinda made hardmode feel lame bc ive used it for literally the whole thing

[rustic fulcrum]

Oh that’s busted lmao

Haven’t played with it but I’d assume it falls off around fishron/cultist unless you fill your arena with walls

[distant agate]

thats currently the point im about at and im noticing being a little slower

[rustic fulcrum]

Without walls for them to climb they probably won’t be doing consistent damage, can’t remember what else is good around that stage though

[misty wren]

cultist not really fishron i can see it

[rustic fulcrum]

Raven/xeno/wither blossom are all decent

[distant agate]

once they get onto a boss they stay latched on so its not too bad actually

[distant agate]

against empress the raven staff has about half of the dps of the spider staff

[rustic fulcrum]

Try xeno maybe, works well in vanilla

Dunno if cal changes it though

[distant agate]

would be nice if it ever dropped lol

[raw falcon]

why do you just have an image of the providence roots

[misty wren]

xeno staff is pretty good yeah specifically because hitscan

[tropic jolt]

yggdrasil ent

[silk basin]

This is sick asf

[distant agate]

ok got the xeno staff

lets see how it does against empress

[dull heart]

gonna be worse than spider prtobaly

[mighty geyser]

yeah

they uh

basically stole the rumbling shot for shot

[eager bone]

LEGENDFUNNY IS MY FUCKING GOAT ❤️ Rip XXXTentacion

[steel pike]

FINALLLY

SOMEONE KNOWS LEGEND FUNNY

We gon be best friends…

[steel pike]

I would send a reaction image but I gotta wait a month so just

Imagine I did

[distant agate]

ok yea xeno staff finally seems to be better

[woven cargo]

What are the DPS rankings for the 5 classes, preharmode, hardmode, post moonlord?

[misty wren]

unclear

[distant agate]

id be actually baffeled if mage isnt the highest in post moonlord

[misty wren]

testing hasnt finished yet so we dont know how much the rankings shifted in 2.1

[distant agate]

but summoner was melting stuff in pre-hardmode waaaay faster than other classes ive played

[woven cargo]

based n 2.1 thenm

[misty wren]

idk mage is also still running off some serious dogshit debt from prior to 2.1

[misty wren]

wdym

2.1 is the reason we dont know the rankings, so much changed

and its only been a couple of weeks since it dropped

[distant agate]

i love having to stand still with a bottomless water-bucket to un-drain the acid sea

[misty wren]

the rankings prior to 2.1 can essentially be thrown out for now

[distant agate]

i swear it didnt used to drain this bad when you went mining before

[still cobalt]

I wish you could toggle off the like armor it gives

[silk basin]

I have to guess that wouldn't have been ideal to the guy that wanted it in

[lapis oak]

use other transformation vanities in the slot below

just make sure to use invisible dye for your actual wings

[dull heart]

i think i just popped off

[distant agate]

oh?

[fathom girder]

he reworked astrum deus I can smell it

he is the worm rework guy now

[tropic jolt]

he invoked the full power of the star god

[still bluff]

(summoner's still probably best unless there's another starbeam rye incident ofc)

[dull heart]

no i just fixed 3 major bugs in under an hour

[fathom girder]

oh!

...um

summoner bug is the only major one I know about

[pulsar cobalt]

what kinda bugs

[lapis oak]

which bugs'

[dull heart]

• acidwood trees not growing
• abyss layer 2 generating with safe instead of unsafe walls
• maybe the summons despawning? at minimum i made it more stable

[fathom girder]

oh swag

[lapis oak]

SAFE WALLS?

😭

is that literally THE reason

[fathom girder]

probably

[dull heart]

yes

[fathom girder]

an easy oversight tbh

[fathom girder]

QUICK

THERE'S GOTTA BE A SECRET IN HERE

[lyric trellis]

Incredible

[tropic jolt]

I just found a major bug

[dull heart]

guess why acidwood trees didnt grow

[tropic jolt]

the guy on the title screen cant be seen in game!

[grave geyser]

how does that get messed up

[dull heart]

tldr there were internal renames without proper legacy names done

i reverted them bc they broke old abysses

[grave geyser]

ah

[dull heart]

but also, on top of not having legacynames done, they also didn't update abyss gen for this one specifically

so this one got stolen into safe by my renames

in the cycle of 2.1 dev it went from being

• SafeAbyssGravelWall and AbyssGravelWall
• AbyssGravelWall and UnsafeAbyssGravelWall (this is where it broke)
• SafeAbyssGravelWall and UnsafeAbyssGravelWall

[dull heart]

its actually really funny

acidwood trees couldn't grow because

the soil they were planted on was obstructing their growth

like it counted it as a tile that was in the way

[dusk bronze]

[fathom girder]

AMUSING

[regal vessel]

i am going to cry

all of those tombstones are from SCal

[fierce hearth]

What actually is the new viral sprout DoT formula, since it says it's linear but I don't know what the base number is now

[dull heart]

25 dps per

50 per Virid

[fierce hearth]

ty

[lethal kraken]

waow its john brainstorm

[tropic jolt]

you make him cry 😿

[lethal kraken]

oops

[fierce hearth]

That is a p harsh nerf to them isn't it tho, since before it was like closer to 50ish per slot with diminishing returns?

[obtuse hawk]

you know this makes me wonder

how far away is xeroc's eye in BR

[tropic jolt]

isnt it the sun

or something

[dusk bronze]

no

it's the primordial light sigil

[tropic jolt]

xerocs forbidden conjure a png spell

[dusk bronze]

xeroc slapped one in the sky during bossrush because ???????

[obtuse hawk]

im thinking its either closer to the player and not that big or it's far away and still really fuckin huge

can't tell

[fierce hearth]

(unless the wiki is lying to me and the formula is halved at the end)

[young notch]

ahh,,, sunken sea with no overhaul

[dusk bronze]

probably the latter, given how it's so bright it makes the entire world darker by comparison

[fierce hearth]

ooo go to the edge see if you can find the lighting errors

[tropic jolt]

pollution 😻

[obtuse hawk]

i see

[pulsar cobalt]

theres literally nothing you can take from this

[obtuse hawk]

yea the sky in that screenshot is a bit darker than usual

[dull heart]

Alao

It didn't have diminishing returns

It actually got more powerful

... But only at absurd slots

[grave geyser]

Doze I just want to make sure you are aware that tying 2 weapons to the same scaling debuff at vastly different stages of progression will inevitably cause balance issues

[dull heart]

They both apply their own dmg values

So they can be balanced independently

[grave geyser]

I am aware

That will not stop it

[dull heart]

if viral sprout is too weak we can buff it and leave Virid the same

[dull heart]

I mean it'll ensure it's no more broken than it being two debuffs instead of 1

[young notch]

I think I found them LMAO

[fierce hearth]

Yeah it's just funny that the balance sheets say "it no longer has slightly diminishing returns" false apparently and "now scales linearly" true, but fails to mention that its damage was absolutely gutted in the process

[pulsar cobalt]

because clearly there will be a time where using viral sprout will be better than using another virid vanguard

[dull heart]

also

[radiant sparrow]

for cryogen what should i be using as stealth rogue

[dull heart]

I don't think the wiki is right actually

[pulsar cobalt]

which part

[dull heart]

I think it has double the DPS listed

On viral sprout

[fierce hearth]

You think it's missing the final value being halved?

[dull heart]

For the old version

yeah

not certain

But I think it might be

[fierce hearth]

Only way to check is to pull the old github and actually check

[dull heart]

yup

I can't atm I'm taking a bath so

[vagrant tundra]

Is calamity updated with this most recent update from jan?

[dull heart]

I'll probably forget

[fierce hearth]

I don't feel like 50 dps per slot is that unreasonable at its stage of the game

[dusk bronze]

pins

[dull heart]

50 per slot is

A lot

Post plant DPS is expected to be like 500 I think

[fierce hearth]

hm, for being a 1 metal post-plant summon, yeah probably a bit excessive

Wait it doesn't scale with minion damage boosts tho right

[dull heart]

and the sages do dmg outside the poison

[fierce hearth]

Since it's just based on count

[dull heart]

Correct

[fierce hearth]

Hmmmmm

[dull heart]

The real nerf to them was making weakness and resistance only 25% effectiveness

But also a buff on everything sick resistant

[fierce hearth]

It does make it a nice support minion tho, since most of its damage isn't affected by the damage reduction of using an off-class weapon

[dull heart]

Yup

It's base dmg is also low enough to not invalidate profaned soul crystal provi challenge I think

[fierce hearth]

I still am very fond of bringing the jets with ichor bullets, but this is a good option too

oh yeah doze I said this completely off the cuff at a weird hour but I wanna mention that I got the igneous exaltation before beating aquatic scourge and used its alt fire with rage and adren simultaneously on a good lined up shot

Literally half of its hp in a single hit

[dull heart]

peak

Common adrenaline moment

[dull heart]

I mean you have 3 slots

For free

[fierce hearth]

Adren is such a broken ass mechanic but it's so integral to the identity of Calamity now

[fierce hearth]

true... well, so long as I bother to make summon pots

[dull heart]

adren needs to be cut in half

Fun fact

Sage Poison almost became typeless

To make it so it wasn't super enemy dependant based on sickness weak / res

[lethal kraken]

ok finishing my playthrough gotta say nice to finish a calamity playthrough its been a while last one was a 1.3 tmodloader one because i kept hyperfixating on other games midplaythrough thus abandoning them

very much enjoyed the brainstorm update and cant wait to see what the future holds for my favorite terraria mod :)

[fierce hearth]

I kind of wish Adren and Rage had more distinct identities personally.

Them being just different flavors of Big Damage is kinda meh, and Adren being a Win More button also feels kinda weird especially with the direction the mod has started to go in

Adrenaline feels like a relic of the nohit fanclub days

[rustic fulcrum]

It’s been sorta reworked this update yeah?

[fierce hearth]

I don't believe so, just the nanomachines

Which was just nerfing how overwhelmingly powerful for survival it was

[rustic fulcrum]

Nvm change I was thinking of was from a bit ago

[fierce hearth]

Rage changes?

[lethal kraken]

i remember when rage used to just suck and build up only from getting hit or something and using it like 3 times in that playthrough

[fierce hearth]

yeah lmao

[rustic fulcrum]

Nah I’m thinking of not losing the full meter on hit

Didn’t notice it until recently

[dense sundial]

that only applies if you lose less than five percent of your health, which does not happen

[fierce hearth]

I like its current iteration, rewarding aggressive playstyles and serving as another soft-buff for true melee

[lethal kraken]

also yea i like rage and adren but i could def understand it getting changed or removed or whatever, will just have to wait and see

[fierce hearth]

But adrenaline is just, eh

[dense sundial]

aggressive play should be rewarded by aggressive weapon design

[rustic fulcrum]

Oh that’s why I never noticed, had that happen while fighting death mode scourge I think

[fierce hearth]

tru tru

[lethal kraken]

aggressive play should be rewarded by aggressive gorillas

[radiant sparrow]

damage feels really slow against queen slime

[dense sundial]

also rage is tuned in such a way that it's pretty easy to just have it constantly

go my mult damage for playing a difficulty

[lethal kraken]

adren didnt do much for me this playthrough since stealth rogue, although it did let me kill primordial wyrm with the cool nano scythe

[fierce hearth]

not gonna help with the damage but get some real wings, it'll at least help with survival. Maybe consider one of the evil biome rogue drops?

[sinful dagger]

I used ichor spear

[radiant sparrow]

btw i am on death mode

[fierce hearth]

Yeah I think the evil biome weapons would be good at the very least for support with their debuffs, dunno if their damage would compete with the equanimity

Also I think the mirage mirror might be better than the bloodstained glove, I doubt the 8 armor pen and very minor heal is that valuable

[blazing field]

it's me

[sinful dagger]

I'm also on death mode

[vivid hemlock]

you must die

[urban star]

When infernum goes away inevitably will calamity make their own super hard super challenging mode like it

[dusk bronze]

no

[urban star]

How come

[drowsy reef]

Lots of work

Anyway I wanna say thank you so much to the donor who requested a vanity set that includes a pair of glasses

Because like

Normal glasses are not a thing in Terraria and I couldn’t find any mods which included them as a vanity item but now that’s an option!

[distant raft]

its called death

[urban star]

thats easy tho

no boss makes u do 100+ attempts

[distant raft]

well its also intended to be played by people who aren't mentally ill

[fierce hearth]

Infernum will almost certainly be supplanted by some other very passionate fan, but the core dev team will not do it themselves

[distant raft]

infernum will continue existing with legacy cal 2.1 as a dependency instead of cal

[fierce hearth]

They've expressed how they don't want Calamity's identity to be wrapped up in difficulty or boss rushes anymore, and are de-emphasizing the difficulty and boss difficulty modes because of that

[fathom girder]

Also go play malice mode if you wanna tear your hair out

[distant raft]

i was about to say

if you want high difficulty we have joke seeds

[fathom girder]

and if you want the cool stuff go play wotg

betcha lucille would appreciate you going to her more recent works

[drowsy reef]

GFB seems like it was barely playtested

It’s so broken

[fathom girder]

correct!

it's a shitpost just like gfb is

[drowsy reef]

Bladedge Railbow is really dumb on that seed btw you should try it

Also you can kill early bosses with the nurse meteor

[dense sundial]

the current state of death is irrelevant because it's still all fabslop

[dusk bronze]

except brain and dog

[dense sundial]

death does intend to be pretty hard in the future, which you can clearly see in new death dog

[fathom girder]

and death boc tbh

That thing is not forgiving at all

[urban star]

fairs

ive never enjoyed brain fights but i like the new one

the only bad thing about it is that its now harder than perf lol

so u can just do perf and stomp brain with new aerlite weapons

[young notch]

I finally took the time to read through all the vanilla recipes that were removed and it's nowhere near as bad as I thought

Hell, I am shocked the Terraspark ingredients got a pass

[hasty tangle]

obsidian rose definitely needed a pass, at the very least

thats by far the worst one

[tropic jolt]

maybe because terraspark is still sorta required for angel treads and its calamity upgrades

even if getting them isnt as necessary as ankh shield previously was

[keen forge]

is the latest update more grindy?

[hasty tangle]

it has less skipping parts of the game, yes

[dull heart]

Mostly for multiplayer

[urban star]

why was ankh shield made seperate from asgards valor

[keen forge]

alr

[dull heart]

Valor was too overcentralizing and actively inhibiting our ability to design bosses

[urban star]

so bassicly it did too much

[fathom girder]

yes

[dusk bronze]

yeah, there was almost never a reason not to use it

[sinful dagger]

The death playthrough seemed to get noticeably more difficult at about the halfway point

[tropic jolt]

in my most recent vanilla playthrough I got several roses before a single magma stone 😭

[frail owl]

just look at how the thing dwarfs damn near every single dashes in the past

[urban star]

i understand that

[sinful dagger]

But also if you want harder just do a ftw seed and do Malice mode

[frail owl]

how the fuck?

[tropic jolt]

pain

[urban star]

so its kinda ram dash, and take debuffs or no debuffs but no ram dash

ik u can have both at once but yk

[dull heart]

you can just. Use both

Yeah

[radiant sparrow]

11 minutes to get cryogen to like 15 percent hp. like what?????

[frail owl]

the debuff immunity was just redundant as well

none, or atleast, most of the debuffs weren't going to stifle you at that point

[urban star]

ig ye for bosses

[radiant sparrow]

am i crazy or am i doing way too little damage for what im using

[urban star]

when is the new exo armor gonna release or will it release

[vivid hemlock]

we dunno

[urban star]

cryogen is just pure health tbh

[dusk bronze]

Eventually™

[sinful dagger]

Pretty sure ichor spear / cursed dagger and prismalline have better dps

[vivid hemlock]

kinda hard for it to be finished or released when none of its downgrades are even in the game yet

[radiant sparrow]

thats after a ss burning strife

[dusk bronze]

924 damage 🔥

[distant raft]

are you moving so that cryogen keeps running into the spiky balls

[radiant sparrow]

im doing a max 1000k dps

[urban star]

get potions

well fed

just get everything

wrath, rage, flasks, major well fed will help

[radiant sparrow]

it feels wrong with how much damage im doing

rogue went from chunking to doing fucking no damage

[hot wadi]

I suggest getting something from the brimstone crags

It will deal a powerful fire DoT that can do good damage to the Cryogen

[radiant sparrow]

something feels so wrong man. 7 FUCKING MINUTES AND HE ISNT DEAD

[young notch]

What other mods are you playing with?

[radiant sparrow]

calamity, calamity vanilla and magic storage

[still cobalt]

cryogen lowk just unreasonably tanky

[radiant sparrow]

its taking like 7-8 minutes to get to his last phase, something must be wrong there or rogue has fallen off a fucking cliff after hardmode

[fathom girder]

maybe it's because you're fighting cryogen with a HM preboss weapon

Cryogen isn't the first boss you fight in HM unless you want a challenge

that goes to aquatic scourge

[blazing field]

i mean

ive beaten cryogen as my first boss before

it really wasnt anything special

[fathom girder]

you certainly can do it

[tropic jolt]

well the game does list it as the first

[fathom girder]

but you don't reap all the benefits at that stage

[blazing field]

liuke it wasnt even hard or anything

[tropic jolt]

for some reason

[blazing field]

im pretty sure cryogen is intended to be a possible first boss for hardmode

[radiant sparrow]

its not hard im just doing no fucking damage

this is in order btw

[fathom girder]

boss checklist is weird

why is aquatic scourge THERE

[blazing field]

i mean

[tropic jolt]

cal wiki does it like that too

[blazing field]

thats literally the progression listed in the official wiki

[hasty tangle]

they had to be put in AN order

[radiant sparrow]

i personally think that its somne weirrd death mode scaling

[misty wren]

there isnt a set order for them

[blazing field]

yeah there isnt really mcuh of an order but thats not really

[hasty tangle]

doesnt mean that there is exactly this order though

[blazing field]

a boss hcecklist thing

[fathom girder]

so strange

[misty wren]

the issue is that boss checklist is a list so even though every mech and mech alt are considered on the same tier they're all listed in linear fashion

[hasty tangle]

cryogen is not first in the same way that aureus is not before anahita

[radiant sparrow]

ik the wiki is outdated but it also says to go kill cryogen/queen slime

[hasty tangle]

like, checklist is bad at explaining that tiers of bosses exist

[steel pike]

I’ve seen stranger things

Gohohooho

get it cuz

Sorry

[steel pike]

Ohh

[wide wadi]

in my calamity playthought i skipped frost leag to cultist because all the bosses inbetween are a pain

[radiant sparrow]

im just gonna see how i do against the twins

[acoustic talon]

Anyone one else having trouble trying to click off the shrimp drone?

im trying to get it to go away but the buff just stays there

[gray hornet]

is sirius despawning itself a bug

[rocky marten]

Did the update change anything about Lost Girl spawns? I am in mid hardmode and have yet to get a Metal Detector

[limpid merlin]

Anyone having the problem, that can't disable the summons?

[gray hornet]

it just got reworked right

[fathom girder]

summons are a little buggy rn

[acoustic talon]

im having issues with the shrimp drone lol

[limpid merlin]

My summons are not respawning, not yet, but i can't disable them

[acoustic talon]

Ok nvm it just decided to leave now i guess

[radiant sparrow]

yeah wtf, i was mulching the twins. i guess death mode cryogen is like not a pushover pre boss in hm

[dull heart]

??? since when

[limpid merlin]

I have to leave and join the game

[vivid hemlock]

wtf lmao

[young notch]

yeah guys this sucks whatever am i gonna do without my qol

[steel pike]

Wtf

That’s like my worst nightmare

[acoustic talon]

Bro plays like its the olden days

mf is trailblazing

[steel pike]

He’s real for that though

[acoustic talon]

new frontiers type shit

[steel pike]

I still make the big box house towers

[acoustic talon]

Are the weapons that drop from the eclipse diasabled until after plantera or golem?

if so im going underground

[supple sorrel]

thats some... interesting world gen...

[steel pike]

Why did I think ur base was SpongeBob

[amber furnace]

does melee damage stack on top of true melee damage

[supple sorrel]

they are the same thing effectively. True melee buffs only apply to true melee. Melee buffs apply to both melee and true melee.

[amber furnace]

oh wow nice

[supple sorrel]

also, that is the biggest damn ocean I have ever seen. But why is the shimmer shrine IN THE WATER.

[fathom girder]

because the shimmer is under it

[supple sorrel]

I know. But I've not seen anyone have the shrine in the water. Twas quite amusing to me.

[earnest jewel]

Offshore fracking?

[sinful dagger]

So real question why does hallowed ore glow like it's permanently spelunker potioned

[fathom girder]

cuz it's holy

[supple sorrel]

whatever does thou mean? I am unfamiliar with this terminology.

[supple sorrel]

likely.

[earnest jewel]

It's literally holy.

That's why it's called Hallowed.

[earnest jewel]

Oil mining technique.

[lapis oak]

Cal's been talking shit about vanilla debuffs but they're actually the same

[fathom girder]

lmaooo

[lapis oak]

😔

[dull heart]

fixing your tooltips and balancing your weapons

[fathom girder]

tbf could YOU drink mana potions while in lava

[dull heart]

yes

[fathom girder]

uh huh...

[lapis oak]

could you drink health potions while in lava?

[fathom girder]

Oh shit it gets double bonuses from buffs?? that's great

[lapis oak]

thought so

[dull heart]

yeah

[lapis oak]

more debuff explainations in tooltips my beloved

[dull heart]

but right now that includes weakness and resistance

[fathom girder]

ahhh okay okay

[dull heart]

meaning like

it does like 2 dps to wof

and like 80 with slime gun to any fire weak enemy

[fathom girder]

105 :D

goes from 45 to 105 per tick

it's silly

[dull heart]

per tick is not dps

[fathom girder]

er- sorry that's with the boots factored in

[dull heart]

double it to get dps

[fathom girder]

ough

[dull heart]

most debuffs I made tick twice a second

not all tho

[supple sorrel]

MY DUNGEON IS ALMOST IN SPACE-

thats my first world i generated this update. One cursed world man.

[dull heart]

a few exceptions like Sage Poison, Absorber Affliction, and ofc VHex

[still cobalt]

would it not make more sense to put the virid vanguard dps only on vanguard

[dull heart]

not really very doable with the current system

[still cobalt]

oh ok

[fathom girder]

It's a certified hype moment tbh

like "Oh shit there's a stronger version???"

[fierce hearth]

How does the debuff check how many summons you have anyway

And how does it behave in multiplayer

Does it just go by the number of summons by the player that inflicted it

[fathom girder]

It likely checks the player that spawned them, checks the amount spawned, and calcs from there

[fierce hearth]

Also, gently, good god it needs a resprite

[fathom girder]

what does

[fierce hearth]

It looks like an Etsy 3d printed potted plant

The summon

Viral sprout

[fathom girder]

it has to look like that though

otherwise it won't inflict the poison

it's based on cringe

[dull heart]

real

[dull heart]

when the minion hits

it runs the calculations and stores the amount on the npc

oh

i forgot about this

[steel pike]

What the fuck 😭😭😭

[fierce hearth]

Is searing lava even still in the mod

[deep bough]

yea im here

[lapis oak]

ye?

it's the debuff from Crag's lava

[fathom girder]

wait huh

searing lava reducing cold debuffs kinda fucks with my strat

cuz I was gonna get frost armor to stack all the debuffs

[fierce hearth]

Huh I forgot because apparently I just didn't care when I jumped into lava in the crag to mine suevite

I guess the damage wasn't high enough to bother me at that point

[fathom girder]

luh mao

[lapis oak]

Obsidian Skin grants immunity to Searing Lava now that's pretty neat

[dull heart]

that was an accident

being reverted

[lapis oak]

fuck u

messed up

[dull heart]

removing it

for 2.1.2

[dusk bronze]

the obsidian skin thing?

[dull heart]

yes

[dusk bronze]

[lapis oak]

nice reply

wait no that was actually a nice reply

fuck

[dull heart]

fun fact

crag lava fountain currently causes lava anywhere to inflict searing lava

[dusk bronze]

lmao

[dull heart]

this is caused by the same thiing that caused obsidian skin to block it

[brittle escarp]

Oh is that why the brimstone lava stopped going through obsidian skin?

[fathom girder]

guess I'll wait for that, then

[spark belfry]

I was wondering why I had stopped taking damage in it

But hey I don't question things like that

[dull heart]

It'll be overall a large nerf bc searing Lava will drop in power a ton

At least on fire weak enemies

[fathom girder]

I'll take consistency

it was OP as shit against fire weak enemies

[atomic cliff]

the dog rework is peak

[dull heart]

2.1.2 gonna be peak

[fathom girder]

2.1.2 will do my taxes and also rework every boss

[dusty tinsel]

2.1.2 will do your taxes wrong sorry

[fathom girder]

turbotax already does that

[coral dragon]

me when chaos stone rework

[fathom girder]

oh yeah, is the chaos stone buff coming in 2.1.2

[coral dragon]

its already out

[atomic cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

[fathom girder]

the.

the one that doze was scared of?

[coral dragon]

who is doze

[atomic cliff]

yharon resprite come to me

[fathom girder]

I'm not talking about the rework

I know about the rework

but doze is planning to buff the burn damage

[coral dragon]

:D

[fathom girder]

which idk if that's 2.1.2 or later

[barren nacelle]

Was looking at Diamond of the Deep's code and

Steamscorched

[fathom girder]

scoria's getting a debuff? that's neat

[cobalt wharf]

more fire debuffs to the monster

could really just use daybroken

[fathom girder]

Y'know

[coral dragon]

i need more life regen

[fathom girder]

I wanna see more dedicated debuff guns that go into HM and post ML

[coral dragon]

is it work maxing out life regen for chaos stone

[dull heart]

it's not a fire debuff

[fathom girder]

stuff like "does five damage but applies an insane debuff"

[fathom girder]

yes

sorry for the ping

[cobalt wharf]

Well What The Fuck

[dull heart]

Well

It's like

[coral dragon]

u gud idm

[dull heart]

It's a hybrid debuff

[fathom girder]

but my chaos stone strat involves stacking a lot of regen and then using the ion gun that regens mana really fast as a backup option

Permafrost's concoction is very solid for this

and also radiant ooze/its upgrades

you can also use infected crystal

I arcane reforge all my accessories so I can upkeep good burn damage as well

You can also shove regen buffs from like. potions if you want

oh also use mana polarizer

that is a staple if you wanna use chaos stone as much as possible

gives you passive regen at low mana(red mana counts as low) and gives you lifesteal on top of that

once you get into post ML I recommend getting arc flash ring asap

really pushes the burn and helps you be a glass cannon

My endgame armor was fearmonger cuz of the extra regen, but you can do whatever really

sorry did I say too much

Chaos stone mage is my favorite build if you couldn't tell

[coral dragon]

no i was thinking this strat exactly

once i learned it got reworked

[fathom girder]

ah

yeah it's fun

kinda hard but fun

also don't worry too much about your weapon of choice, the burn does stack so you can comfortably use whatever you want

but I would recommend teslastaff once you get to that stage of the game

cuz of the multipliers on multipliers nonsense it pulls

[vivid pasture]

hey guys with the new change to the celestial tracers line what would be better wings and tracers or just the tracers wings

[fathom girder]

Depends on your needs

[coral dragon]

i mean how hard can it be

[dull heart]

Well, you don't wanna use stuff with high proportion of debuff dmg

Like Virid Vanguard

[fathom girder]

raw damage is still preferred yeag

cuz that's directly being converted into the mana burn, the focus of the setup

but like shadecrystal barrage was a surprising contender for when you first get chaos stone

[fathom girder]

not very. you just gotta keep an eye on your healthbar, as it's now a resource

It's kinda funny

chaos stone is like a mana flower build but you gain damage instead of losing it

but the bar you manage is now red instead of blue

Ooh one option I didn't mess with in my run was the blood god chalice

that grants regen and more health so it's likely useful

[brittle escarp]

Speaking of debuffs, I saw a ton of reworks that lower weapon damage, but in exchange, they let debuffs last for 20 seconds instead of 4. I am confused by this, ebcause every shot is reapplying the debuff regardless, so this just seems like a flat nerf in many cases. Especially since debuff damage alone is less than you would lose from the time it takes to switch weapons every time, especially considering many weapons require ramp up or charge time

I didn't know if I am just misiterpreting this or if this was an intended nerf

[fathom girder]

debuffs as a whole are more valuable to invest into

that's likely also a factor to consider

[brittle escarp]

Were the debuffs themselves buffed?

[fathom girder]

Through alcohols yeah

[brittle escarp]

I just don't understand the change from 4 to 20 seconds if you are just attacking all the time regardless

like either way it has full uptime

[fathom girder]

and also, there's a few accessories that directly buff elemental debuffs

[fathom thunder]

whats the best weapon for goozma?

[fathom girder]

idk bru that ain't a brainstorm boss

[brittle escarp]

How much of a buff are the alcohols? Admittedly, I had been using the alcohol that halves debuff time on myself to weaken them on others, but still

[fathom girder]

The buffs are mentioned in the description

[brittle escarp]

That seems really important for heavy debuff bosses like Yharon and SCal

[fathom girder]

it's usually like a 50% boost or sumn?

[brittle escarp]

50%? dang

that is kinda crazy

[fathom girder]

and then you have affliction

which not only applies a variety of debuffs on all your attacks

but it also boosts all debuffs by 300%

[brittle escarp]

Wait the affliction?

The polterghast drop that buffs your stats?

[fathom girder]

er

[brittle escarp]

thats wild

and thats probably a multiplicative bonus too

[fathom girder]

sorry I think I got the name wrong

[brittle escarp]

so 450% ish

[fathom girder]

I meant amalgam

[brittle escarp]

oh, I haven't used that in a minute

I should check that out

[fathom girder]

affliction is a staple in endgame debuff setups

fuck

amalgam

it's so easy to say affliction

CUZ Y'KNOW GETTING DEBUFFED IS AN AFFLICTION

doze I'm bullying you for this

[brittle escarp]

Does that mean that an optimal debuff setup is better than raw damage for any of the classes?

[fathom girder]

Unsure!

But it is viable

[brittle escarp]

I feel like it would still be worse because a bunch of debuffs don't self stack

Other than shred, which isn't a debuff technically

[fathom girder]

yea

As an example, let's take voidfrost

a cold debuff that's applied by the stratus set of weapons

[brittle escarp]

They should make shred a debuff so I can make it do like 1.8k dps for each of the 40 shred stacks

it would be so funny

[fathom girder]

Against yharon, that debuff has 1600 dps

that is only with amalgam

[brittle escarp]

thats pre-amalgam and alcohol?

oh

[fathom girder]

now add alcohol and cryo stone

[brittle escarp]

Thats ok ig, but a normal weapon is hitting 20-40k

[fathom girder]

because cryo stone does also buff cold debuff damage

oh yea

[brittle escarp]

I feel like straight damage buffs would still just do more

[fathom girder]

you'd be also doing a fair amount of damage using the stratus weapon lineup

[brittle escarp]

but I guess that is only one debuff

[dull heart]

The debuff raising was independent of the dmg nerfs

Debuff raising was done so that swapping weapons with debuffs was more valuable

[brittle escarp]

Oh, well in that case I won't complain lol

[fathom girder]

It lasting longer is useful for bosses like yharon tbh

cuz that guy likes to not be in range

[brittle escarp]

I need to try out more stuff

I just pummled him with the onyxia and Daawnlight Spirit Origin

200% crit chance

Does Daawnlight super crits stack with soma prime super crits?

Like is it 3x3x3 damage for a total multiplier of x27?

Because if so, that would be hilarious

[dull heart]

no

[acoustic talon]

Didnt realize how many blood orbs blood moon minibosses drop

literrally never fished for them until now

[dull heart]

hmm apparently

BeginSuperEpicPhotonRipperZenithKnockoffAttack is also insane on exos just like zenith is

like can hit 100k dps on post berserk thanatos

[dusk bronze]

poor thanatos

[fathom girder]

fuck that worm

hate that worm

stupid metal worm

what was draedon thinking

[hard copper]

pretty sure most of draedons thoughts are metal worm

[fathom girder]

well draedon SUCKS

[thorny elm]

pre-update world when darts were still stackable, holy moly

[acoustic talon]

lol

[fathom girder]

pre update where rogue sucked yeah

consumables no longer being consumables is the best thing ever

[sinful dagger]

Dragonfolly is such a filler boss

[lean relic]

Wait until bro swap with Evil2

[lapis oak]

Evils 2 filler bosses arc

[sinful dagger]

Moon Lord was pretty cracked though

Not sure if it's just revengeance that makes him easy or if he was re-buffed in the update

[lapis oak]

Moon Lord is a piece of glorpshit

Holy that fight is so bad

[sinful dagger]

Why, besides the true eye beams that they removed

[lapis oak]

Just being moderately close to him is like a death sentence to a normal player

For them it's rungodding or die

[sinful dagger]

Yeah you got to run in a giant zigzag and go over his head each time he does the deathray

[radiant sparrow]

what are the better wings for the twins death mode? the tracking missiles one of the brothers sends out is nigh undodgable for me

[valid spire]

Is it just me or Lionfish does a shit tons of dmg now

[radiant sparrow]

The final phase of death mode twins is so tough dude

[quiet skiff]

gravity potions, ig?
they make this fight significantly easier for me

[radiant sparrow]

25 attemps. any eye boss i FUCKING HATE

[drowsy reef]

Rogue was already good just annoying

[stiff kraken]

I NEED the ankh shield back in the asgardian aegis, I dont care if it cost 100 shadowspec

[drowsy reef]

Which debuffs ail you, my friend?

[stiff kraken]

all of the above

[radiant sparrow]

the twins are kicking my arse dude

its just the very last phase is SO cringe

[stiff kraken]

i am NOT wasting an accessory slot that the draedons heart is gonna go in

i accidently looked at the fan wiki, what in the lorde's name is "the green demon"

[sinful dagger]

Are you using titan heart armor

[radiant sparrow]

it doesnt even feel like a skill issue

the fight is just bad

[green steeple]

how does this work

[atomic bay]

have you killed 1 mech yet?

[radiant sparrow]

no

[lapis oak]

Aren't Twins only inflicting Curse Flame and Shadowflame

[radiant sparrow]

aroudn this hp is where i die the most

[lapis oak]

Like the debuffs aren't the problem

Those only come from Spaz's flames even

[sinful dagger]

The ice star is the superior weapon

Amalgamated brain and star veil might help with survivability

Iron skin, swiftness, and regen pots are standard

[chrome totem]

Hu??

Where my QoL go?

Recipes all gone but also adds a pointer that auto aims for you 🥀

[radiant sparrow]

ive exhausted most of my good potions on these cunts

also ice stars do way less damage

[sinful dagger]

Those 3 are easily farmable

[silent tiger]

hey, so, that slime god redesing is still happening?

[green steeple]

is there a guide to downgrading somewhere?

[radiant sparrow]

the fight just sucks. potions arent going to help that much

[grave rock]

muh qol

[fathom girder]

muh

muh qol in my content mod

where's my qol

I don't like playing the game

where's my qol

[chrome totem]

They literally added an accessory that auto aims

In the same update

[high scaffold]

It takes an accessory slot

Which could be used for more movement, more defence or more damage

[misty wren]

its an accessory solely useful for dealing with an inability to aim

[chrome totem]

Yea but any weapon that was balanced by needing good aim is just straight up better

Like prob 90% of ranged or smth

[misty wren]

this is the same reason you might think on paper grape beer is busted

it in fact isnt

[high scaffold]

Aka "I have a massive skill issue" accessory

[open garden]

first time trying new BoC this fight is really cool but its also lwk harder than polterghast

[tribal isle]

Are people actually gonna use the Tesla amulet instead of literally anything more useful

[misty wren]

not a high bar polterghast is extremely easy

[chrome totem]

It also makes weapons that spawn things on your cursor just never miss too ig

[open garden]

true lol

[lean relic]

But it takes your critical damage
Remember the Purify Accessory in Infernum?

[grave rock]

doesnt grape juice also kneecap ur damage

[open garden]

difficult boss for prehardmode nevertheless this thing is scary

[chrome totem]

It's actually not really useful for what I'm doing cuz I'm playing with a new class that just doesn't benefit from it

[grave rock]

it's used for enemies

[open garden]

i like in its last phase when it shoots one hundred million projectiles everywhere

[high scaffold]

Its good for farming burrowers

[tribal isle]

They reduced Tesla pots to fucking shiny stone level

[grave rock]

what did people even use tesla for lol

[lilac olive]

whats a fun class to play this update?

[tribal isle]

Melee

[misty wren]

boss minions

[chrome totem]

Ig it didn't mention that

[high scaffold]

It deals like 5 dps

[chrome totem]

Tho you can just switch your gear to any other modifier instead

[grave rock]

ranger relies on crits a lot

[chrome totem]

I mean, it makes focusing on dodging astronomically easier

[high scaffold]

Aiming takes no focus unless you are running a complex weapom

[chrome totem]

Maybe if you are flying in a pattern and away from a boss but I don't think that's the case for every boss

[radiant sparrow]

i was so close but they MOVE AROUND SO FUCKING MUCH DURING LAST PHASE I CANT HIT THE CUNTs

[high scaffold]

Especially when there is quite a number of weapons with built in homing

[chrome totem]

I mean, Post ML that's prob like over half of them

[open garden]

brain of cthulhu is pre-hardmode ares now

[chrome totem]

But surely there are some weapons that have slow turning, long usetime, narrow paths or whatever thing that makes landing them consistently not that easy

[misty wren]

a couple maybe

[open garden]

reed blowgun

[grave rock]

does lock on even help that much in those cases

[lapis oak]

The Pointer is so good

[chrome totem]

Anything with homing yea, they basically get no benefit and probably already let you focus on dodging

[grave rock]

how much does pointer compensate for projectile speed

[misty wren]

but most of the ones with long usetime also have high projectile velocity or are just hitscan

[lapis oak]

I can just not thinking about aiming at all which is awesome for going auto pilot

[high scaffold]

Things like hammer line for melee has high velocity attacks

[lapis oak]

Gotta be on the top for my favorite items ever

[high scaffold]

Which makes aiming a question of tracking

[chrome totem]

I mean, idk if it has some sort of prediction to it but unless you're using smth as slow as Alpha Virus (which is now dead 🥀) I think it should hit more consistently than trying to aim

[high scaffold]

All yoyos are just tracking

[lapis oak]

I used Pointer up to Old Duke shit was genuinely peak

❤️

[chrome totem]

I'm not saying that it shouldn't exist (tho it feels cheap) I'm just annoyed that it DOES exist and dozens of vanilla recipies no longer do

[dusty tinsel]

Hello KiriBlue how are you enjoying the update

[misty wren]

most of the vanilla recipes didnt matter

[lapis oak]

Killing you

[dusty tinsel]

Why???

It's a genuine question

[lapis oak]

Wanna krill u just because

It's my turn to be evil 😠

[dusty tinsel]

Hate crime

[misty wren]

there are several workarounds to all of the recipes being removed

[chrome totem]

A lot of them seemed like they were for food items which I don't care cuz I just always have Golden Delight but removing recipes for items that are rare seems just pointless

[high scaffold]

The pointer is just another crutch that will go to the "why would I ever use this besides some super niche scenarios" pit with grape beer and chloro bullets

[young notch]

How are chloro bullets niche

[open garden]

chloro bullets are nice

[lapis oak]

Rare item drops are boosted and more enemies now drop them

[chrome totem]

I honestly can't even tell whether or not I use Chlorophyte bullets cuz I just don't play Ranger often

[high scaffold]

Well, chloro bullets arent niche but outclassed even before you unlock them

[lapis oak]

Like I didn't have to actually go farm for half of the Ankh components

[grave rock]

chloro bullets are kinda ass in most cases

[lapis oak]

They just drop

[misty wren]

for example metal detector and pocket mirror and trifold map and vitamins and armor polish and fast clock can be overcome by using one of the many spawnrate boosters calamity gives you access to

[chrome totem]

But was it boosted in 2.1/2.1.1 too?

[grave rock]

theres some weapons they perform nicely in; but its only a handful IMO

[grave rock]

yea?

[lapis oak]

Yes that's what I said

There're compensations

[high scaffold]

Why use homing bullets that deal the same damage as silver ones if you can use bullets that are all fast and have special effects to them

[lapis oak]

Which btw Travelling Merchants stuff needs to be fucking shimmerable

[grave rock]

they are

[lapis oak]

They not

[chrome totem]

Maybe it's just because I haven't gotten to hardmode yet but I don't think I have gotten that many accessories yet

[high scaffold]

Im pretty sure they are

[lapis oak]

Hands of Creation comps aren't shimmerable

[high scaffold]

The information accs are

[misty wren]

sure you might not be able to buy rod of discord from the wizard in the hallow but the droprate from chaos elementals are also multiplied by about 10x

[lapis oak]

Fucking Gizmo Pack comps

[chrome totem]

Oh, that's also gone?

[lapis oak]

It's total glorpshit

[grave rock]

me when im right and ur wrong

[misty wren]

yes

[chrome totem]

Neither of you are exactly both

[lapis oak]

I'm talking about Gizmo Pack

Kill u

😠

[grave rock]

NOO DONT KILL ME

[lapis oak]

U ded now

[misty wren]

and also there are like 4 different spawnrate boosters you have access to at the point in the game where you can even start farming for rod

[lapis oak]

Any ladt words

[grave rock]

please...NOOO

antenizer tomorrow

[misty wren]

(battle potion zerg potion water candle bloody mary)

[tribal isle]

Really wish there was a shimmer pylon

[high scaffold]

You can improve wandering trader in many ways btw

[lapis oak]

Also Chaos Elemental spawn condition changed

[grave rock]

its called ur cavern pylon

[tribal isle]

It had a condition?

[lapis oak]

They spawn much more often now

[chrome totem]

Spawn rate boosting is boring

[misty wren]

yeah

[misty wren]

crafting or buying from npcs is even more boring so pick your poison

[lapis oak]

Ye you have to be constantly moving for them to spawn

[tribal isle]

That’s where the goblin lives

[lapis oak]

Or use Shadow candle and force spawning

[chrome totem]

Especially if the thing you want drops from something in a specific biome which may be merged with a different one

So enemies that you don't care about just take slots

[grave rock]

now you only have to go slightly out of your way to get certain items rather than just getting em for free!

[lapis oak]

Which I think is neat, giving Shadow Candle an actual usage

[misty wren]

i always put him in the snow

[chrome totem]

Crafting at least can still maybe make you still go around to get something

[high scaffold]

I wonder if calamity will remain its reforge reworks after 1.4.5.port

[grave rock]

most of the recipes were genuinely just "use shit u had layin around already"

[misty wren]

not for the recipes that were removed

[misty wren]

it will

[radiant sparrow]

37 attemps and still havent killed death mode twins. fuck this fight dude

[misty wren]

1.4.5 didnt actually fix any of the underlying issues with reforging its still a horrible system

[high scaffold]

The reworks where reforges can only go up in quality

[grave rock]

why was gelatin crystal craftable?????

[chrome totem]

And I don't mean boring as in little to no gameplay, I mean boring as in feeling pointless when it was already good the way it worked before

[misty wren]

its just harder to roll off of the highest tier reforge

[tribal isle]

Is he most happiest there

[misty wren]

iirc yes

[grave rock]

iirc its cuz the mechanic is happy there also

[chrome totem]

I always put the Goblin and Mechanic in the snow

[misty wren]

ah no hes neutral there its because mechanic yeah

[grave rock]

if by already good u mean "completely trivial"

[chrome totem]

Also Cyborg and Permafrost (in the abandoned house thing cuz they don't deserve proper homes)

[high scaffold]

1.4.5 did make brainless reforging till the most expensive one drops easier, but then theres also BS reworking accessory reforges to all be viable

[radiant sparrow]

i literally dont know what to do. it just feels fucking awful at the third phase. they are moving way to much for any of my shit to hit

[tribal isle]

Dude it’s better than the shoeboxes I build

[dusty tinsel]

Permafrost deserves a proper house he is a very chill guy

[chrome totem]

I'd rather open my Journey duplicated items menu and get the stuff than go into a sliver of hallow that spawned in the snow right next to the Astral hoping for things the underground hallow has

[misty wren]

thats not the issue with reforging

[chrome totem]

It may be better but it's less recognition of their existence

[misty wren]

the issue with reforging is the money sink it becomes

1.4.5 didnt fix that

[grave rock]

the inherent issue with reforging is that theres only a couple good ones

[tribal isle]

Js download wotg ✌️

[high scaffold]

But locking the player into always getting best ones isnt the answer as well

[grave rock]

would u rather make it even more of a money sink?

[misty wren]

and 20 platinum to get a legendary terra blade is?

[dusty tinsel]

Clearly reforging should be instant

[grave rock]

like, the underlying thing is still gonna be true, players are still gonna go for legendary every time