calamity-update-talk

[rotund venture]

hello update chat all arsenal reworks in one little build

[tribal isle]

Why would you do this to me

[teal bone]

sickums :0

[spark kiln]

can’t wait for more melee arsenal reworks

auger is cinema

[rugged cloak]

what

[rotund venture]

ty ty my autistic brain was holding me hostage until I made this

[brittle escarp]

Again again again, the ranger reworks are all awesome and I love them (except for tier 4, I cannot figure that one out)

[rotund venture]

you shoot laser and you stab things

[brittle escarp]

Like it just doesn't seem worth it to charge the stab tho

and then the base fire is just a lot worse than other options

I just feel like I am missing something

[radiant remnant]

just asking but is the like dreadon weapon vulcan reaching 200K dps is normal (pre plantera gears)

[rotund venture]

also does anyone know if I got the colors right for future weapons?

[brittle escarp]

👀

[rotund venture]

pretty sure I did but I can't remember

[stable dove]

yo did they make it so the arsenal weapons don't need the batteries yet

[rotund venture]

yes

[stable dove]

ahhhhhhc ooool imma actually use those then

[tribal isle]

Who thought of weapons that need charging in the first place

[brittle escarp]

So is the only point of the power cells to do the schematics?

Like at that point why not just remove them

[rotund venture]

the whole thing will (eventually) be done differently

[brittle escarp]

fair

I am the most excited for arsenal armor personally

[rotund venture]

same

[brittle escarp]

Customizable modular armor is so sick

[gloomy grove]

it is so fun yeah

25 hours on a pre-hm save

[spark kiln]

i played 10 hrs straight with my friend yesterday lol

the true melee weapons are so peak

[rugged cloak]

it sucks that this is the update they chose to care about true melee weapons because i JUST played a true melee pt before this update came out and i dont like playing classes so close to each other

[misty monolith]

real shit

[hot plover]

now that the update is out, is it worth doing a mage playthrough?

[weak veldt]

this weapon needs a nerf

i just fought moon lord and killed him in like 40 seconds

with this

cuz the riccochet works with the same target

so it bounces dealing 10k-5k each hit

like 10 times

genuinely broken

cuz the hand and head are seperate entities

[stable sinew]

is legendary deathmode possible anymore?

[rough vine]

no because it's full of malice and evil

[bleak condor]

say that again...

[tribal isle]

i guess you could say its full of malice and death

[minor widget]

is the old lord claymore drop broken or something? i am post EoC

[high scaffold]

Rng

[minor widget]

wdym i failed 25% 43 times

thats so statistically unlikely 😭

[high scaffold]

Overall yes, but each individually is still 3/4

[placid ocean]

Yo guys, so me and my friend are playing calamity and we want to start a new world. We have a clue what to do up to crabulon, I wanna ask, what classes should we pick?

[high scaffold]

Spin the wheel

[distant raft]

its a 4% pre evil1

[minor widget]

changed in 2.1?

[distant raft]

yeah

[minor widget]

doesnt say in the aptch notes

all it says pre eye of cthuhlu

[minor widget]

and post eye of Cthulhu

zamn, ok, u saved me the pain and suffering

not ganna fall for sunken cost falacey bs after 50 kills

[humble jungle]

does anyone have a raw unedited png of the new calamity mod background

[twin juniper]

I think it’s here

@humble jungle

[humble jungle]

thanks

[fathom girder]

droprate is reduced until post evil 1

oh I'm late

gg

[jade wren]

green needle update

[tiny shard]

Draedon forgot where the sunken sea was

[hasty tangle]

it sunk out of the sea

too heavy

[deep bough]

blame the demons in hell for removing the supports smh

[stuck kite]

draedon just felt like social distancing

[fathom girder]

that's gotta be another generation bug from leftover SSO generation code right

cuz that definitely wasn't happening pre brainstorm

[stuck kite]

ya

[fathom girder]

funny

[stuck kite]

evil nefarious sunken sea generation reversal error

at least i think so it seems to line up

[fathom girder]

tbh I'm surprised that the only bugs were lab generation and the like. theme breaking if you were nearby the biome but not actually in it

coulda been much worse I bet lul

[mystic eagle]

Both infamously misplaced underground Cal Structures close to eachother

[distant raft]

what the fuck is the mushroom shrine doing

[mystic eagle]

Gotta love the Glowing Mushroom never generating in the biome

[fathom girder]

The mushroom shrine was high

...on shrooms

I think that's reasonable to assume yeah

[limpid urchin]

which site is the best for host terraria server ?

[stuck kite]

doesnt the mushroom shrine pretty much always generate on the outside of a mushroom biome

[hasty tangle]

france?

[fathom girder]

I've seen it generate in the middle of a biome like twice

[stuck kite]

mostly cus it detects a speck of mushroom block and decides yep thats appropriate

it is preferable to it never generating

[mystic eagle]

Indeed!

[stuck kite]

which is the opposite issue that happens when gen is too strict

[fathom girder]

the logic seems kinda annoying to fix

[tiny shard]

With the cnidarian getting tag damage does this mean it technically count as Calamity's first whip?

[rancid pagoda]

I feel like it finds mushroom grass and then goes up from there a fair bit

[wicked halo]

Duke Fishron is beating my ass holy shit.

[stuck kite]

im pretty sure the logic for the mushroom shrine is

1. there is a mushroom block somewhere in the range of the shrine (to put it in the right general area)
2. it doesnt generate in fully enclosed areas (prevent from it being completely submerged in mud and looking ugly)

point 2 is the one that makes it most often spawning on an open cave of the side

[drowsy turret]

did they buff death moonlord

last time on master death he took me like 5 attempts and now on the new death he took me like 25+ for some reason

[blazing field]

i read this as cnidrion and i was deeply confused

[tiny shard]

WOW holy they nerfed the shit out of the snapthorn

[fathom girder]

2a) (does not prevent it from being completely submerged in stone and looking uglier)

[spark kiln]

how is there gonna be a bug that makes all weapons just not work

[fathom girder]

with overhaul, anything is possible

[unique orchid]

Revert the rock wall, the new one is ugly

[spark kiln]

im not using overhaul

[hazy yoke]

does fargos add the feature where if you have 30 of a potion it becomes infinite or is that calamity? (I haven't played calamity without fargos mutants until now)

[distant raft]

mutant mod

[hazy yoke]

ok

[spark kiln]

ngl hellkite charge up needs to be bigger and take a bit less

[gentle torrent]

i have arisen from my slumber to return to my prison world

[night fable]

i cant find messages about that sorry but will calamuty have own npc portraits in 1 4 5

[errant olive]

does revengeance have less accessory slots now?

[rancid pagoda]

no, that has not changed

[errant olive]

I had 8 and now it's 7, post DoG

[rancid pagoda]

7 is normal

5 + demon heart + master/celestial onion

[hushed hazel]

yes

[errant olive]

no clue how I had 8

[hushed hazel]

i think cal's portrait has already been shown

or at least a wip cal portrait

[fathom girder]

yeag

Scal's has a proof of concept and so does horrible hog

[royal garnet]

if sso happens is the ds lizard sprite likely?

[fathom girder]

yeag

lizard scourge is happening

[undone niche]

when are the varients to the muramasa gonna be added?

[orchid finch]

some time soon

[mystic eagle]

Future

[fathom girder]

i'd hope so

[amber egret]

goood…. yeeessss…….. perish…!!!!!

[tropic jolt]

what a massacre

[amber egret]

What a Calamity!

[spark kiln]

did donors that got armor sets have to pay for all 3 parts of the armor

[orchid finch]

honestly I'd think it was a single request

a single helmet is no good without the rest of the set

[granite sapphire]

Shroomite.

Nobody uses the set

They all either use chlorophyte body and leggings or red riding

[dull heart]

not true

[granite sapphire]

And calamity people ignore it for hydrothermic

[dull heart]

Many many people use the full set

[granite sapphire]

Shroomite set is garbo

[dull heart]

Also not true

[granite sapphire]

horrid

[dull heart]

It's literally on par with vortex

(with the right weapons)

[granite sapphire]

clearly one of us has friends to play with
-# it's not me

shroomite is horrid because it's multiplayer focused

[dull heart]

nope I'm talking about singleplayer

[granite sapphire]

you're not standing still long enough to utilize it perfectly

[dull heart]

singleplayer without stealth it is on par with vortex

on ammoless weapons

If you use stealth it just becomes insane

[rare tinsel]

it has a niche for powering up certain accessories

we lost roguemaxxing

so we gotta psychomaxx

and if you can't psychomaxx

you mushroomaxx

[spark kiln]

why isnt this thing on the chart

[amber egret]

wasnt a reworked weapon, its just a new one tmk

[spark kiln]

why arent new weapons on the chart

[icy stump]

I think that weapon wasn't teased

[tribal isle]

it must suck ass it has 6 ranged damage

[icy stump]

There are, like M1 Gaarand

[spark kiln]

it’s pre boss from Azafure chest

[tribal isle]

no wonder its so ass

[icy stump]

But you can damage Town NPCs

And you can summon WoF without doll

[vivid hemlock]

the sprite was shown a while ago, and the file had the weapons name but, well, that was it really

[dull heart]

Well it's not primarily a weapon lol

Also the debuff it inflicts is... Very strong

[gloomy grove]

searing lava is a good debuff yeah

[obtuse hawk]

1 million days of searing lava to the Guide

[gloomy grove]

DoT centric builds would be fun

[obtuse hawk]

So true

[deft lily]

burp

hello calamity update talk

[void gull]

WOW DEVIL'S DEVASTATION IS SO OP, my fav weapon line now

[prisma cipher]

how does the reworked warbanner work exactly

like

the extra burn to be exact

[urban star]

at long last

[void gull]

what is this?

[urban star]

auric squid

the item is called auric bottle

u need every exo weapon in the game pretty much to craft it

[spark kiln]

cal vanities

[urban star]

it looks hella better than what it used to

[prisma cipher]

speed.

[void gull]

why isn't chalice hp indicator working?

[spark kiln]

why do clams have 100000000000 defence

[visual kernel]

did they remove the lab

[spark kiln]

no

[deft lily]

dig below the sunken sea

[spark kiln]

you can literally see it in the image

bottom right

[deft lily]

oh
yeah lol

[dull heart]

Did you disable vanity on chalice

[native thistle]

any moon lord recommendation for mage?

[void gull]

yes...

okay thanks

[spark kiln]

remove astrum deus

[dull heart]

remove you

[native thistle]

get the fishron wings, helped me a ton

[hardy gulch]

kiss astrum deus

[spark kiln]

i have them

[native thistle]

then bigger arena idk

[spark kiln]

no this boss just sucks

[native thistle]

real

[vague perch]

You’re the dev that added all the byleth references right?

[spark kiln]

i wish there was a mod that just added the alchemist charms from alchnpc

[fathom girder]

all of

you mean like

the single byleth reference cuz evil smasher didn't get in yet right

[vague perch]

Uh

Theres more than just one for sure

[fathom girder]

It's just gilded proboscis rn

[vague perch]

Theres galileo gladius

[fathom girder]

...oh yeah

[vague perch]

The ceaseless void sword too

[fathom girder]

sorry grapple isn't a byleth only thing

lol

[vague perch]

Which is the aerial side b

[fathom girder]

got me confused for s ec

[vague perch]

But it works just like the up b with the right click

[fathom girder]

ye

I just forgot entirely that it was a byleth reference

[vague perch]

And also biome blade

Has a whip thing

[void gull]

stupid godslayer dash ended a good attempt on yharon

[vague perch]

So i was assuming theres probably more i havent seen

[vague perch]

Just unbind it 💔

[void gull]

it is so slow and doesn't pass through platforms

[void gull]

no, i did use it to dodge before the update, and now, but i dashed and it just tpd me out of yharon arena

make it pass through platforms fr

[vague perch]

I thought it had a huge cooldown

[void gull]

it does but it had invincibility, idk about now

it feels so weird after the update

[native thistle]

just using nebula blaze solved my issue 💀 aint no way a vanilla option is DOUBLE as effective as a calamity weapon of the same tier

[prisma cipher]

why does ts exist

[hoary edge]

about damn time I installed calamity's vanities
because this new look of auric squid is

RAW AS FUCK!

[void gull]

OH, it's to CURSOR POSITION now

[vague perch]

Oh wow

[void gull]

ALWAYS read descriptions

it still should come through platforms tho

[vague perch]

Second rod of discord

[void gull]

why do i hear sponge breaking while godslayer dashing

it's not invincible enough

[pulsar cobalt]

old fashioned two

[fathom girder]

Cuz it's cool af

[urban star]

u can have a pet dog and a pet primordial wyrm too

[sick lotus]

Do y'all think the Sunken Sea (overhaul) or Sunless Sea is coming first?

SSO part one is probably coming first, unsure about part two though.

[polar tide]

the hell is sunless sea

[urban star]

coming from a dev too 💀

[sick lotus]

Fables's version of the sunken sea

We don't know a lot about it yet (SSO is probably coming first)

[polar tide]

oh

[blazing field]

Sunless sea is probably coming first tbh

Given

its fables next update

sunken sea is not basecals next update

[urban star]

oh its an actual thing?

damn

[sick lotus]

Wait what

[polar tide]

if its the literal next fables update then yes its coming first

[blazing field]

next major update they might do some hotfixes or smth before but yeah

[sick lotus]

There's a small fables update first but it's the first major one.

Oh I see hotfixes

that makes sense.

[blazing field]

Sunken sea is in the backlog

[sick lotus]

People burnt out from it I assume?

[blazing field]

It's not gonna be the next calamity major update anymore

For several reasons

yeah

[deft lily]

with all due respect i do not really care abt fables ever since fab got killed

[blazing field]

sunken sea was kind of a development hell torture agony cycle

[polar tide]

^

[deft lily]

cuz now base cal can be good

[blazing field]

devs are hell burnt out from it

[molten grove]

hotfixes are called that cuz they are fixes that happen while the update is still hot (new), any fables fixes rn would be coldfixes….

[sick lotus]

The fables update isn't really a fix thing it's just a small update.

No clue what's in it.

[urban star]

how big was the overhaul cause current sunken sea isnt too big of a biome

[blazing field]

I like base calamity more bc its what im passionate about and im autistic about its lore and art direction and etc

fables is also cool though and im looking forward to see what ti does, im not as interest on it as basecal but thats just personal reference

it added a bunch of new enemies, amidias questline and lore stuff, made the sunken sea like, have 4 sub-biomes or five idrm

reworked desert scourge entirely

reworked king clam and cnidrion into proper minibosses rather than

[polar tide]

5 subbiomes several new npcs new quest system entire new dialogue trees

[blazing field]

glorifed tanky enemies

[molten grove]

well theres all these blocks that got added in brainstorm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021598579611144253/1469946729762783283/image.png?ex=6992bc92&is=69916b12&hm=8c17b889e7b527b5ebe804d79780fd8bcccc0811b1ad610fbf6a6ec4e25dcdb5&

[blazing field]

yeah its a massive overhaul

[urban star]

ye seems big iwl

[sick lotus]

I just like how fables is seemingly focusing on like, actual questlines and stuff. Not really anything rn but Nautilus will have a questline and so will Draedon and some other characters.

[blazing field]

There's also the uhh

unobtainable ones

i think theres four?

Mire, Superheated Obsidian, Runestone Terracota and Shellstone Trim Brick or somwething

[urban star]

what would be the next big update assuming its not sso?

[blazing field]

we dunno atm

[blazing field]

basecal will have that sort of stuff too eventually

[deft lily]

the thing with fables is that it was (despite what the devs might say) was made out of spite of fab and you can't really convince me otherwise.
but now that fab is out of the picture its just kinda like... awkward? i guess?

[blazing field]

amidias was gonna have his own questline in sso

[sick lotus]

Afaik they haven't really decided yet.

[fathom girder]

Not sure we should know about ALL of that

but

[polar tide]

im not allowed to say, as far as i know. but it has been decided. speculate amongst yourselves

[fathom girder]

cool

[blazing field]

That's kind of a weird thing to say imo

Maybe it had some part of spite towards fab but i do not think

A project would go on for this long with so much passion

out of spite

thats just not sustainable

[sick lotus]

nvm then.

[blazing field]

imo they like their work and want to show the world their vision for calamity more than any sort of spite

this mod wouldnt have kept going for years indev if it was just a spite project

[urban star]

its the bumble bird biome isnt it

[blazing field]

it wouldve died out early

[sick lotus]

Fables was partially cause of fab but it's still more of a reimagining.

[urban star]

knew it

[polar tide]

yeah new biome made entirely of chicken nuggets

[blazing field]

two cakes meme

[sick lotus]

It's a bit hard to see rn cause everything is fairly similar to basecal but they're going in a different direction with it.

[blazing field]

hey, for one

[hot pebble]

How

[blazing field]

desert scourge will probably feel alot different with sso

[mystic eagle]

Distortion

[blazing field]

between basecal and fables

fables ironically, will stick to a direction closer to previous DS iterations

[polar tide]

youre funny

[hot pebble]

3 boots

[blazing field]

being a big worm

while basecal will be

el lagarto

🦎

[sick lotus]

Deus won't be a worm, sunken sea is sunless sea instead, Yharon will probably get a different name, leviathan will be entirely different and only the same in name, there'll be sunless sea refugees, etc.

[urban star]

i know the drama around fab, but why did they not like fab before the whole conterversy?

if ur allowe say

[blazing field]

He was a horrible lead developer

[mystic eagle]

Because he was an asshole

[blazing field]

And actively made the other dev's lives hell

[sick lotus]

Fab was afaik always just a bit of an asshole and shitty dev

[deft lily]

its multiple things

[sick lotus]

Like fab was the reason old duke was made

[blazing field]

didn't let them add their stuff in if he didn't like it

added stuff without any discussion

didn't treat the mod as the team's project even though he wasn't paying anyone so they had no obligation to even. stay

[hollow harness]

because fabsol was horrible as a lead developer and also contributed to the horrible developer environment back then (in the context of fables it is 2022)

[blazing field]

he treated it as his project alone

[urban star]

in what sense? he wanted old duke and no one else did?

[sick lotus]

The stuff that got them kicked out was more of the straw that broke the camels back rather than on its own turning everyone on them.

[hot pebble]

I became the damn Tralalero Tralala

[blazing field]

yeah lol

[deft lily]

(which it never was to begin with)

[blazing field]

he added old duke

even though

nobody else wanted it

and refused to hear anyone else out

and also

this was AFTER

[hollow harness]

There was no votation for it

[blazing field]

the dev team had EXPLICITLY agreed

[urban star]

thats bad enough on its own

[blazing field]

that they shouldnt add anymorre bosses

master rev and master death

was also him

entirely

[sick lotus]

Yeah pretty much. Originally they just wanted a way to get duke's drops guaranteed but then it became a second duke boss. Fabsol was the reason all of the bosses have AI really similar to vanilla bosses.

[urban star]

did he also add exo's?

[hollow harness]

In the same way that in some votes Fabsol would just veto it like the US in the UN

[blazing field]

nah

exos were on the plans prior to the agreement

[urban star]

cause i like exos

[urban star]

fair enough

[hoary edge]

[blazing field]

Fabsol only allowed himself to code bosses though

he actively

did not let anyone else touch bosses

[sick lotus]

I think exos weren't just them (I do hate exos though, glad fables isn't doing them).

[blazing field]

and its why calamity bosses are kinda uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

crabulon gif

[deft lily]

though, fab wanted to turn exos into another avalon boss but didnt happen cuz the artists at the time spoke up LOL

[urban star]

is this why the calamity updates are all reowkrs pretty much

[twin roost]

That explains a lot.
Y'all got this!!

[sick lotus]

King slime x2, eoc but chicken nugget, etc.

[urban star]

like un fabsolifying the mod

[hot pebble]

And I defeated the Slime God like this

[deft lily]

big e 🙏

[sick lotus]

Yeah Fabsol was shit at making bosses.

[blazing field]

In part, yes

but also in part

its because while fab was in charge

they couldnt do most of the stuff they actually wanted

so it was just a cycle

[polar tide]

tyrannical manchild creep

[molten grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513227386175619102/1469553065551200267/Terraria__Beware_of_DoG_2026-02-06_23-36-48.mp4?ex=69934831&is=6991f6b1&hm=907bde3b9e05e636d70da99ee48ce904c7a23e4a7be87a063b6ca68dacf06a25&

[sick lotus]

Perhaps we could call it fabless

[hollow harness]

Say thay again.

[blazing field]

"hey i wanan do this that would make the mod better" -> "NO I HATE YOU 🐴 " -> "sigh. guess i could do a weapon rework then"

And that's how brainstorm got 5000 diff weapon reworks

since it's basically just

a bunch of random shit that was in the previous sso update

but wasnt related to sso

[spark kiln]

did they remove exodium cluster planetoids

[blazing field]

that was split into its own update

[dusk bronze]

no

[hollow harness]

I did comment one occasion where Holiday Halberd removal was being voted and he got absolutely pissed when unanimously the dev team voted for it to be removed

[polar tide]

before he exploded into a cloud of red dust i woudl literally see fabsol bitching in the patreon about how he'd do such and such to get the devs to "shut up"

[vivid hemlock]

fabsol having an aneurysm when iban tried to make sir nautilus pre22

[blazing field]

YEAH

IBAN PLAY

[deft lily]

yeah the patreon discord was fab's ranting zone

[blazing field]

TRIED TO MAKE IT GOOD

and he was like

NO! THIS ISNT VANILAL ENOUGH

[deft lily]

kind of awkward tbh

[blazing field]

EVERYONE KNOWS VANILLA BOSS DESIGN IS DOGSHIT AND REUSES CODE FROM OTHER ENEMIES

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hoary edge]

FAHHHH

[blazing field]

Dude its so weird

[urban star]

so pretty much, fab only wnated himself to do bosses and was shit at it, so everyone else did boring shit while he did the "fun" stuff cause he was selfish

[sick lotus]

Rest in peace basecal nautilus...

[urban star]

idk if im allowed say the word here but it was a dictatorship kinda

[blazing field]

Yeah he was just a piece of shit

[sick lotus]

At least he lives on (except not really) in fables...

[deft lily]

fab was actually pretty authorative outside of bosses too iirc

[blazing field]

Not to mention he actively ruined the mods rep too

by just

being a massive asshole

in the public

and having some

[dusk bronze]

to everyone

[blazing field]

really shit takes

[dusk bronze]

i talked to him 3 times before he exploded and it sucked every time

[blazing field]

he'd start fight with people constantly

just if they like

midlly disagreed with him

he was rancid

[deft lily]

yeah... honestly i dont blame ppl for hating cal pre-25

guy was insufferable to be around

[sick lotus]

So glad Fab is gone

[cunning sequoia]

he simultaneously turned people away from the mod and basically indoctrinated other people to think his design ideology is perfect and shouldnt be changed

[blazing field]

caldevs pre-25 wanting to make the mod good but being unable to

[deft lily]

the one interaction a had with fab was when he told me to go outside

[dusk bronze]

he called a new member of the discord a creepy stalker for having a perfectly innocuous pfp he didn't like

[blazing field]

Dude

[deft lily]

what lmao

[blazing field]

and then

[urban star]

after hearing all this fab leaving was like jesus rising from the dead for calamity

[blazing field]

his suggestive ass banners

😭 😭

[deft lily]

[vivid hemlock]

LITERALLY

[dusk bronze]

the horse

[blazing field]

yeah no fab leaving was genuinely

the best thing that ever happened to calamity ever

it was something that people had been waiting for for like 10 years

😭

[cunning sequoia]

fabsol dead newspaper

[plush carbon]

the fucking art by Bird he used

[urban star]

it mightve been fab's alt account that joined

but thats another conversation

[hoary edge]

"oh my god if you rework this boss by yourself, this would be impossible to beat" like shut yo ass up fab, your gaming skill is so ass we're not slick bruh 😭

[blazing field]

oh yeah

he like

bragged about how hard his boss design was

like it was some impressive awesome thing

[vivid hemlock]

fabsol wanting the cnidrion rework to use duke fishron bubbles in 2025...

[blazing field]

dude anyone can make a hard boss

i can literally make a hard boss fight in godot rn

[dusk bronze]

what 😭

[blazing field]

i can make it spam 800 projectiles in your screen

dosent mean its a good or well made fight

[deft lily]

just recycle vanilla ai 🥀

[blazing field]

:sob

[spark kiln]

22 lore

[urban star]

his boss design was "eye of cthulu but dragon" "destroyer but purple and space worm"

[vivid hemlock]

IM NOT LYING HE WANTED THAT SHIT 😭

[cunning sequoia]

me when im the only one who playtests bosses and then shut down any and all critiques people have of them post launch

[blazing field]

dude theres like

so many characters in the mod

that in the lroe are like

super cool and hype and auara

[dusk bronze]

i think i remember.. apparently i just purged it from my memory

[blazing field]

but their boss fights dont match their lore at all and is hot garbage

because of fabsolian design

😭

[cunning sequoia]

ravager

🥹

[polar tide]

didn't take like literally actually no joke 100 pages of arguing with him on the forums to get him to remove the stupid fucking hitcap that scal used to have

[deft lily]

the only bosses with unique ai are hive mind and the scal brothers lmao

[blazing field]

RAVAGER. SIGNUS

[cunning sequoia]

coolest fucking lore imaginable

absolute disaster of a boss fight

ITS A. FLOATING BRICK

[dusk bronze]

wait what

[cunning sequoia]

THAT FALLS SOMETIMES

[urban star]

how do i find out about the lore, is it accessed in game or is it a website or sm else?

[deft lily]

theres a document

[blazing field]

There's plenty of stuff ingame

and theres a documment in lore chat yeah, two actually

one is a glossary of basically all of the lore ingame atm

and another is a more like

[dusk bronze]

most of it isn't in the game, nearly everything in the game and not is compiled in the second pin of #lore-discussion

[blazing field]

cohesive explanation of the story

[sick lotus]

#lore-discussion message

[blazing field]

The calamity lore itself is really cool,

but it is both really unfinished

due to the mod itself being unfinished

[sick lotus]

There's ingame stuff but not a ton of it is ingame yet.

Most is just in the lore document.

[blazing field]

and also its implementation is not the best rn

[urban star]

cause league of legends lore is peak and i heard cal's is good too

[blazing field]

Like, as much as i do love the lore itself like i think its great

[hoary edge]

yea might as well add boss that's literally a walking png as a middle finger for true melee enjoyer 😭

[blazing field]

its very forced rn

[sick lotus]

You can find all of the ingame references in the other lore document.

[blazing field]

like

its alot of big text walls injected itno your brain yk?

not much proer like

[polar tide]

better implementation of the lore is one of the biggest goals of the next update

[blazing field]

enviromental storytelling or cool actually well integrated stuff

but yes

[deft lily]

fab would also say that the old lore was "intentionally bad to piss people off"

[polar tide]

its something i really hope we can deliver on

[blazing field]

better integration for lore is one of the big goals cal is going for

[deft lily]

😭

[dusk bronze]

LFGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[blazing field]

so the way the lore is told you ingame

can match how good the lore itself is

as megamind would say

[vivid hemlock]

cal dialogue trees one day

[blazing field]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-presentation-cool-dramatic-behold-gif-4559759

[cunning sequoia]

he didnt care about the lore at all until like a few months before getting kicked out

which is when he decided "i wanna integrate cirrus into the lore"

[blazing field]

and he only cared about hte lore when he found out his self insert wasnt canon

[cunning sequoia]

just on a whim like that

[polar tide]

this is something that really irritated me about him he was fucking incapable of admitting he ever made something bad it was always "yeah it was bad on purpose to made people angry... i could have made it good if i wanted to..."

[cunning sequoia]

probably wouldnt even talk it through with the writers

[deft lily]

right yeah

massive deflection of any sort of criticism

[raw pendant]

Profaned Guardians, Providence, Dog

[blazing field]

Nah

providence isn't unique ai

[nocturne isle]

I know there is a list of what weapons exists prehm and posthm on wiki but is there a list that shows the tiers?

[polar tide]

he elaborated on this in patreon and it was so fucking embarrassing i really cannot overstate how grateful i am that this never came to pass.

[blazing field]

she's ice queen bruh

😭

[deft lily]

providence has ice queen ai

[dusk bronze]

guardians are corites right

and dog is crawltipede

was

[blazing field]

Idk how much DoG's base changed now, i assumed he might not be based of any enemy anymore but i dunno

He's obviously still Worm

but idk if hes like

[deft lily]

i think it still is crawltipede but doze just tweaked it to not suck

[blazing field]

based of any particular worm

[fathom girder]

The yharpad

[blazing field]

yeah

i think its not as much liek

[fathom girder]

I'm waiting for Yharpad

[cunning sequoia]

yhartsapp

[blazing field]

completely rewritten as much as its tweaked

cuz yk, not the final reowrk

[dusk bronze]

watching that conversation i felt my neurons exploding

[hoary edge]

imagine exo mechs ai is literally vanilla mechs ai
people might lose their marbles right now 😭

[raw pendant]

Leviathan and Anahita, and Brimmy actually

[blazing field]

nah

[cunning sequoia]

its worse actually!

[blazing field]

those are also not original

[cunning sequoia]

they're just glued to your screen

[blazing field]

anahita is duke fishron

like deadass

shes duke fishron

[deft lily]

so is yharon

[cunning sequoia]

minus thanatos who is just like

crawltipede again

[deft lily]

and old duke obv

cyrogen is a deadly sphere

aureus is mourning wood with golem jump

[blazing field]

i forgot which one brimmy was

but ik its not original ai whatsoever

[fathom girder]

Brimmy probably uses the uhhhhhhhh

[cunning sequoia]

aureus is modified crabulon iirc

[dusk bronze]

wraith

[fathom girder]

IS IT WRAITH

[cunning sequoia]

which is modified mourning wood/evescream

[dusk bronze]

i think so

[nocturne isle]

Is there huge issues with enemy behavior coding or something?

[fathom girder]

I thought it was those brain enemies in the nebula pillar

[blazing field]

yeah i think brimmy is genuinely just wraith wtih projectiles added ontop

[deft lily]

i see

[fathom girder]

The ones that TP around

[blazing field]

Yeah,

[fathom girder]

and float at you

[blazing field]

it's ass

[urban star]

shes small duke fishron and levy is wall of flesh duke fishron pretty much

[blazing field]

oops

meant to respond

ahem

[blazing field]

Yeah,

it's ass

every single boss code with extremely minor exceptions is just

copy pasted vanilla enemy code with stuff added ontop

crabulon

💔

[dusk bronze]

cryogen is a deadly sphere

[fathom girder]

Btw I still think it's kinda odd that BoC rework spawns the vanilla boc in

and then kills them

and replaces it after

Because warbanner of the sun fucks with that

[nocturne isle]

Tmod trying to make it better? I hear they're trying to improve on that

[dusk bronze]

hardcoding hell probably

[blazing field]

Tmod?

That's not rly a tmod thing

that's a calamity thing

[urban star]

calamty mod couldve been its own game if fab wasnt in charge after hearing all this

[blazing field]

but yes

they are

[blazing field]

he

hehe

haha

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gus-fring-finger-twitch-breaking-bad-gif-26288148

[vivid hemlock]

🥹

[dusk bronze]

[deft lily]

those who know

[fathom girder]

Very likely. Most they can do is likely have a check so that something like warbanner doesn't break everything

[small venture]

Hi! For melee combat, what's a good weapon now after the Old Lord Claymore nerf?

[hoary edge]

I hope tmodloader has better optimization so my gpu would never scream in agony ever again 😭

[nocturne isle]

Im talking about the implementation and ease of it in the first place

[urban star]

did i say sm wrong

[deft lily]

anyways
fab leaving was genuinely the best thing that happened to cal

[urban star]

i think i did

[deft lily]

and a long time coming too

[blazing field]

Again there realy isn't anything wrong with this on the tmod siude of things

[dusk bronze]

it doesn't even use gpu 🥹

[fathom girder]

Old lord claymore still, it's a proper weapon that does CRAZY damage

[blazing field]

Calamity's enemy design just kinda sucks 😭

plenty of other mods have made

[nocturne isle]

Ao

[blazing field]

much better bossfights and enemies

[blazing field]

No not really

It's just that i'm literally the co-owner of a project that is rereating calamity as its own separate game

😭

you said that and i went through neuron activation

[fathom girder]

lol

[small venture]

Im trying Infernum mod for the first time and now I can no longer pass through the enemy without taking damage like before

[fathom girder]

Stop using infernum

Brainstorm makes the basecal bosses notably more interesting

[urban star]

oh so i just said was right pretty much deadon

[nocturne isle]

They lowkey just look awesome and 90% of the reason on why i played this mod was because of brimstone elemental and the summon ladies

[fathom girder]

Infernum's great and all but you're missing out on like

[blazing field]

I mean i think you can use infernum if oyu want, but do keep in mind it will conflict with the latest update

[fathom girder]

some real neat brainstorm stuff

[vivid hemlock]

[blazing field]

I'm gonna be so real man this is the worst possible look

[blazing field]

Yeah :sob

[cunning sequoia]

i want to erase the elementals from everyone's minds

[frigid matrix]

why 2.1.1.5

[fathom girder]

But WOMEN

[blazing field]

2.1.1.5

[fathom girder]

GARBO I WANNA SEE THE WOMEN

[blazing field]

Anahita and Silva. are cool.

[deft lily]

you're weird

[cunning sequoia]

GIRLS? I WANAN SEE MEN

[blazing field]

kil brimstone elemental though i hate her design

[main estuary]

replace every elemental with fungus elemental and it's just a HD truffle image

[frigid matrix]

where

[urban star]

assuming fabsol was still in charge, what would modern calamity look like (ik its recent tho but still) would brainstorm still of happened?

[dusk bronze]

TRUE

[fathom girder]

YHARIM WHEN I WANNA SEE THE MEN

WHERE ARE THE

[blazing field]

Tbh

[fathom girder]

MEN

[deft lily]

I LOVE MEN

[blazing field]

It would've died out eventually

If fab didn't leave

it was on a doomsday calendra basically

A straw would eventually break the camels back

The mod would at worst just die,

at best be in a cycle of eternal stagnation

[polar tide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1434199356680044645/1467711806553456766/thatstruno.gif

[deft lily]

cal almost died 8 months ago tbh
if fab had stayed then literally every dev would've left

[blazing field]

I like the new cloud elemental design it is cool

[urban star]

that wouldve been sad considering its terrarias best mod

[blazing field]

I wouldn't necessarily say best

[fathom girder]

Most popular

[blazing field]

It is my favorite though

[lavish dagger]

so i heard true melee got a rework in this update, whats different about it now?

[blazing field]

And it is the most popular yeah

[nocturne isle]

[dusk bronze]

yeah that was 😬

[fathom girder]

best mod is a contentious label

[blazing field]

There's alot of really good mods out there

[deft lily]

very close call yeah

[fathom girder]

So many mods could be considered the best

[deft lily]

but im glad the project didnt die

[blazing field]

I think calling any mod best dosent work well most of the time tbh yeah

Theres alot of diff mods

[dusk bronze]

several true melee weapons got reworked
the subclass as a whole is the same

[blazing field]

that do diff things

I think some really well made mods are like

[nocturne isle]

Recipe browser is the best mod

[blazing field]

fables, spooky mod, mod of redemption, s pirit

[urban star]

i assume thats when he munor thing happened, and if he stayed after that yous wouldve left

[blazing field]

starlight river

[fathom girder]

Wrath of the Gods is up there for me

[blazing field]

wotg is great yeah

lucille is goated

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[blazing field]

theres alot of good mods in tmod

[fathom girder]

we love lucille

[deft lily]

i am not a cal dev but, yeah

[blazing field]

calamity has some rly huge flaws in its content ru bit its being addressed, and the fuutre is looking brighter than ever rn for cal

[deft lily]

what if i am though

[blazing field]

and it is still my favorite mod

[dusk bronze]

[blazing field]

i'm autistic abt this mf mod

mainly because of the lore

[urban star]

my top 2 are calamity and magic storage

[lavish dagger]

i think the mod of redemption is def one of the most unique and underrated

[fathom girder]

Calamity mod DIES in two weeks

[dusk bronze]

the lore 💚

[deft lily]

😔

[urban star]

maybe throw fargo souls there too for top 3

[lavish dagger]

calamity DIES TOMORROW

[blazing field]

its funny that calamity's weapon and gear is like

the best part of it

[polar tide]

i love calamity and am excited as fuck for what this year will bring for the mod

[blazing field]

because that was the thing devs actually got to work on

[deft lily]

my first act as dev is to make every cal character queer

oh, wait!

[nocturne isle]

Eternity mode is goated

[blazing field]

😭

[plush carbon]

that depends on how much Terry is still associated with it for me

[fathom girder]

Oh yeah Fargos DLC

that's gonna be a great one too when it's finished

[dusk bronze]

yippee!!!

[urban star]

whos terry

[blazing field]

like calamity has some really damn cool looking and well made weapons

[dusk bronze]

terry n. muse

[cunning sequoia]

too bad the thing so much of the community focuses on is the stuff fabsol worked on

[deft lily]

orderbringer!!!!!!!

[plush carbon]

a creep

[dusk bronze]

murasama

[urban star]

why was murasama reworked so much, was it conflict between devs and fab

[nocturne isle]

I will only use 1 weapon per tier and nothing else

[fathom girder]

Tbh, BoC and DoG reworks are now some of the best parts cuz DAMN those are good

Did they do something with destroyer, btw?

[cunning sequoia]

it hasnt even been reworked that much

[fathom girder]

Like I swear they reworked destroyer too

[urban star]

top 2 weapons of all time for me, that and old aotc

[cunning sequoia]

it got like, 2? reworks

[fathom girder]

he is WAY more fun

I legitimately love destroyer in brainstorm

[vivid hemlock]

this is like saying dog gets alot of reworks

[cunning sequoia]

originally it was just red terragrim

[urban star]

i mean he has had like 10

[vivid hemlock]

no?

[cunning sequoia]

then it was the popular one

[blazing field]

Well, it hasn't gotten many actual ingame reworks,

But i think it's mostly because its a huge fan favorite and arguably the mod's most iconic weapon so they plan for a really big rework to it

[cunning sequoia]

then it was moved to post-dog

[dusk bronze]

❌

[cunning sequoia]

and shortened

[blazing field]

Devourer had alot of resprites, idk abt reworks tho

like undeniably dog had a shit ton of resprites

[nocturne isle]

Need me a scal rework

[fathom girder]

Those resprites were very early in development however

[vivid hemlock]

dog has had 2 reworks in its lifespan, one was in brainstorm, the other was like 9 years ago

[nocturne isle]

[blazing field]

Yeah

[fathom girder]

He chilled tf out for years

[blazing field]

alot of them were , comically old

and he stayed iwth the current sprite for a rly long while

[cunning sequoia]

he got like 8 resprites in the same year, then one a few years later and then nothing for 6 whole years

[urban star]

i swear i saw a vid on yt about all dog reworks and there were a bunch, unless it was just resprites of the boss

[fathom girder]

nebula enemy Devourer of Gods is still the funniest of those imo

[blazing field]

mightve been

[dusk bronze]

resprites

[urban star]

ye thats what im thinking about repsrites

mb

[cunning sequoia]

"DoG gets a resprite every week" is just something people regurgitate based on hearsay i think

[fathom girder]

Probably in some muraslop vid idfk

[deft lily]

yeah pretty much

[fathom girder]

NO I'm not biased against mura

definitely not..

[blazing field]

I think it's a bit of a bandwagon

Like,

It gets said alot

so people just join in

and say it alot

[cunning sequoia]

yea

[plush carbon]

That happens a lot

[deft lily]

its a bandwagon cultivated by people who heavily dislike cal for whatever dumbass reason they can think of

[plush carbon]

I have fallen for it before

[blazing field]

Devourer hasnt gotten a resprite in a while now, though it did get a shit ton of then in the mod's olden times

[fathom girder]

It's a common thing across so many game fandoms

[urban star]

its prolly just fresh in my memory cause i only started playing calamity again this week since like a year

[cunning sequoia]

its an excuse to complain about updates from what i've seen

but like in a joking way

[blazing field]

some of the mod's older sprites are so fucking funny

have u guys seen og slime god

[fathom girder]

People will also get pissed out of spite

[plush carbon]

Being in WotGcord taught me to not regurgitate what other people say because they seem reputable though

[cunning sequoia]

THE SHART SLIME

[dusk bronze]

polio

[urban star]

i like current dog right now tho i think its good

[fathom girder]

You're talking about the sprite that looks like gasoline got dumped on a puddle right

[blazing field]

Current dog will be repsrited/redesigned evnetually

But it prob wont be anytime soon

Like it'll take a rly long while since it'll have to come with the distortion

[cunning sequoia]

wait no the shart slime was geldon

[blazing field]

A big thing devs wanna do is make his design more, unique and fit his character more

[urban star]

i heard they scrapped the super big dog resprite

[fathom girder]

They did

yes

[blazing field]

Cuz rn devourer is a very uninspired design, as iconic as it is

It's a pretty standard edgy looking metal worm boss

[fathom girder]

Omega large dog was kinda

bad

[cunning sequoia]

slime god was the tumor slime

[blazing field]

Which is a really overused concepot in, alot of tmod mods

[urban star]

will he still be worm?

[blazing field]

Yeah

[sick lotus]

Yes

[dusk bronze]

polio

[vivid hemlock]

depends what you mean by a "worm"

[cunning sequoia]

its never polio

[sick lotus]

If any boss stops being a worm it won't be dog.

[blazing field]

He'll be a different looking worm but likely will retain aspects of his current design

Given it is really iconic after all

but will still be different in ways

[hasty tangle]

imo thats not really a problem

its a trope, but tropes arent inherently bad

[blazing field]

I mean

That is true

But in this case it is a pretty boring trope methinks

[plush carbon]

PLEASE be deus PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be Astrum Deus

[cunning sequoia]

MoR has a cool metal worm

[plush carbon]

on my KNEES over here

[dusk bronze]

wrong. tofu

[blazing field]

I don't really want deus to stop being a worm anymore tbh

[fathom girder]

I'm pretty sure DoG is the only boss that's actually gonna stay as a worm in the future

[blazing field]

Tofu has more than convinced me,

[fathom girder]

lmao

[cunning sequoia]

manta ray deus. manta ray deus. manta ray deus

[sick lotus]

Just wait for 50 years for Fables to add Deus (Deus won't be a worm in Fables).

[blazing field]

that you can actually make it good without deworming it

plsu i can't lie am attached to the little guy

[deft lily]

i think every boss should be a worm

duh

[plush carbon]

i'm not falling for Tofu propaganda

[fathom girder]

WORMSTORM UPDATE

I fell for tofu propaganda cuz tofu's a dev

[plush carbon]

Deus would benefit from not being a worm

[urban star]

thats my ideology when i become a lead dev

[fathom girder]

They can do whatever they want

[vestal heron]

duke wormron

[fathom girder]

what's stopping em

[urban star]

ima turn all bosses to worms

[blazing field]

Really cal's worm bosses have

two main problems

[rancid pagoda]

I wanna see more Eater of Worlds clones instead of Destroyer clones

[vivid hemlock]

i wouldnt be mad if deus remains a worm (considering yk) but like, i infinitely prefer it getting a new design

[blazing field]

its them being visually uninteresting (Alot of very samey designs)

And also them being

[dusk bronze]

[blazing field]

mechanically uninteresting

[fathom girder]

Hey now

[blazing field]

You can make good wrom bosses

Cuz i mean,

all a "worm boss" is in terraria terms

is as egmented boss

[fathom girder]

DoG and Destroyer broke that a little

[blazing field]

You can do alot off different things with it

You can deviate from the baseline

[cunning sequoia]

that one alignment chart of worms

[blazing field]

In many dif ways

[hasty tangle]

worm boss alighnment chart meme

[cunning sequoia]

i dont have it on me rn

[hasty tangle]

damn it, snailed

[fathom girder]

I'm gonna preach this destroyer is legit good now

[cunning sequoia]

[urban star]

long boss with segments is essentially a worm boss

[sick lotus]

Some guy tried arguing with me a while back that if the Primordial Wyrm is a worm boss then so is Crabulon.

[hasty tangle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/513227386175619102/906046940691718144/WormBossAlignmentChart.png

found it

[earnest jewel]

Do the segments need to be attached?

[blazing field]

anyways here's og slime god

[cunning sequoia]

thank you

[sick lotus]

Why is it grimace

[fathom girder]

what the fuck is this

lmao

[urban star]

looks like a poo stain on a public toilet

[plush carbon]

[urban star]

ive seen skidmarks more appealing

[cunning sequoia]

golem is technically more of a worm boss than jared

[blazing field]

good old

slime god

everyones favorite

[earnest jewel]

Slime God if he said things like 'My lord, are you really going to listen to this SYCOPHANT? No, you should only listen to me, I hear the whispers of the court, there are enemies everywhere.'

[blazing field]

some of the ancient calamity sprites are

quite humorous

[cunning sequoia]

im ngl i dont even know what this is supposed to be

like

[amber furnace]

the devil's sunrise lowkey got an awesome rework

[cunning sequoia]

dracula with a tumor head ?

[blazing field]

i think its like

a evil slime guy

wearing a cloak

[cunning sequoia]

his cloak looks like spongebob's eyelashes sweater

[blazing field]

goofy ass leviathan

[cunning sequoia]

i like the goldfish thingy

[vestal heron]

fish

[cunning sequoia]

its a fine design tbh

for like a bigger enemy

[sick lotus]

Yeah that design isn't bad

[vestal heron]

its not a bad concept

[blazing field]

The little goldfish bait is funny lol

[sick lotus]

The spire isn't great but I couldn't do better so whatever.

[blazing field]

Its not a bad concept but

the execution is

[amber furnace]

LOL

[blazing field]

yeah

[earnest jewel]

That's not Leviathan, that's Above Average.

[blazing field]

Like look at the colors

And how they're just Different in some parts ;sob

for seemingly no reason

the way its body looks entirely different midway through

[cunning sequoia]

IT LOOKS LIKE MR ZURKON

[sick lotus]

Can't wait for the leviathan rework where it just becomes the biblical leviathan (another worm boss).

[blazing field]

the fish lure thing though,

thats pretty silly

in a good way

fun concept

[earnest jewel]

Ah, Metal Sonic.

[sick lotus]

what

[blazing field]

ah .

of course .

[vivid hemlock]

green bee

[sick lotus]

The green bee

[cunning sequoia]

oh my god.

i never

i never noticed the wings

[blazing field]

Green Bee

[cunning sequoia]

THE MS PAINT WINGS

[blazing field]

everyones favorite boss

[cunning sequoia]

THATS SO FUNNY

[urban star]

is this plaguebringer old design

[earnest jewel]

Now it's just a woman, which makes no sense because that would scare away the average Calamity fan.

[blazing field]

It was the first yeah 😭

literally just a recolor

[earnest jewel]

It's peak that's what it is.

[blazing field]

its called green humour buddy

[cunning sequoia]

theres that one thats like a slightly destroyed one

[mighty geyser]

incorrect have you seen reddit

[cunning sequoia]

and i have to admit. i have a soft spot for that one

[earnest jewel]

They like LOOKING at women, not going near them.

[cunning sequoia]

its just a slightly changed queen bee but i like it

[mighty geyser]

ok true

[fathom girder]

She's green because she can be placed there

[blazing field]

This doc stil getting updated frequently is surprising

It already has the unused hpu s prites

[chrome veldt]

they deleted the axe upgrade for terraprisma??

[blazing field]

Dosen't have the scrapped hpu dog though

[sick lotus]

You hate the reddit because they're annoying, I hate them because they always mix up nameless (literally from a different mod) with Xeroc.

[mystic eagle]

Damn the new JBA stand is looking crazy

[cunning sequoia]

its not good

[fathom girder]

Terraprisma is just not used for the recipe anymore

[cunning sequoia]

the colors are pretty bad

but. i like it

its my child

[blazing field]

man Horse Elemental was so peak

[cunning sequoia]

fucked up tumorous bee

[blazing field]

when are they gonn bring it back

[fathom girder]

what IS that

[chrome veldt]

do you have any idea whats the recipe now?

[urban star]

its aight

[vivid hemlock]

sun god...

[amber furnace]

thats just incomprehensible

[blazing field]

earth elemental first sprite

[mystic eagle]

Cnidrion Elemental

[fathom girder]

I don't remember it

unfortunately

[blazing field]

🐴

[cunning sequoia]

it has like the exact same leg position as brimmy

[earnest jewel]

Earth Elemental is real to me.

[cunning sequoia]

which is. really funny in hindsight