calamity-update-talk

[hushed hazel]

imagine they add yharim right now and then they go through all the bosses to make them better

and then they might go back and look at yharim and go "man. this isn't that good actually" and have another boss to rework

[pearl sentinel]

god i love ice queen ai ! !!!

[hushed hazel]

no that's providence

[fathom girder]

And it creates a really unhealthy quality shift, because that yharim will still be better than the rest of the cast, to a noticeable degree

[hushed hazel]

fabsolian yharim would be a mix of cultist and fighter ai

[pearl sentinel]

we will never see fabsols vison for a yharim fight that is like senator armstrong and minos prime

[hot wadi]

I never understood how that will work anyways

[pearl sentinel]

and probably whatever other shit he ended up being into at the time

[regal vessel]

Probably similarly to current DoG

[hot wadi]

but at least we'll still see the old Auric armor

[lethal kraken]

ok i checked some stuff and because some hallow enemies are bugged and both activititys im like 99% sure i've done before in the past before they were achievements i just got a world off the workshop to get me the bestiary and rod of discord achievements since i dont feel like spending time trying to redo stuff if its currently bugged

[regal vessel]

I mean that as in very melee centric

Like lots of parrying and kiting

[inner timber]

mutant ai

[hot wadi]

Flying?

[hidden belfry]

It would be morbid

[lethal kraken]

but from the like 2 hours i tried to farm i got a rune wizard banner lol

[rose laurel]

Fighter Yharim would have 100% happened and it would've been HILARIOUS to see

[hot wadi]

Also apparently my world's SS leak is from 3 holes left unchecked for like 10 or so hours

[inner timber]

bat yharim

[rose laurel]

You know the worst part?

[inner timber]

yeah makes sense
hey at least its good obsidian once you plug it

[rose laurel]

I 100% see that happening

[hidden belfry]

Oh, Fishmael is here

[rose laurel]

Bats are just "fly at you indiscriminately"

[frail cove]

I think that astrum deus should be un-wormed

[hot wadi]

I had to plug it on many small tunnels before heading back up to the 3 small holes

[frosty marten]

He just charges at you with a bigass sword

[hidden belfry]

Astrum deus is perfect as a worm

[inner timber]

i think if something does get dewormed it would be the scourges

[sterile moss]

Yeah after 30 years of donor weapon rebalances, bad DoG reworks and goonbait

[haughty zephyr]

my friend and i are doing boss rush and whenever we kill brain of cthulu in just respawns

any ideas why

[sterile moss]

Boss checklist I think

[inner timber]

infernum?

[haughty zephyr]

nope

catalyst but i havent had any problems with it yet

[inner timber]

oh wait brain is just bugged in mp in general . he kinda cant die in it with rev ai

[haughty zephyr]

wait nvm wtf

[frosty marten]

Local man too angry to die

[haughty zephyr]

he died after the 11th time we killed him for some reason

[frail cove]

truth nuke! it would kill two birds with one stone as well.

[sterile moss]

Storm weaver when I feed it ivermectin:

[buoyant pulsar]

fabsolian yharim would have bat ai

[lean relic]

gfb idea

[heavy raft]

is revengeance worth playing over infernum rn

[hidden belfry]

Yes

[heavy raft]

alr

[fading lagoon]

are ant lions meant to be able to go mach 10

[small barn]

Why are event summons consumable again?

[hidden belfry]

We will never know

[twin mural]

Reading this Convo made me want to see a mod making every bat enemy get its sprites replaced with the auric Tesla armor

[small barn]

Also, how do you find the brain of Cthulhu when it does the where's waldo ahhh attack?

[twin mural]

Imagine checking the jungle pre hardmode and you see 5 yharims approaching you

[unique warren]

Perforators

[blazing field]

yharim lunatic cultist ai

p sure

fabsol genuinely planned to give him lc ai

as an base

like this isnt even speculation

he directly said that

at some point

[dull heart]

He can... sometiems

[fathom girder]

Hemogoblin shark thing but it runs at you and then spams 50 projectiles every second, with the second phase being a moon lord AI replacement that recolors the projectiles and adds the moon lord laser to the hands

[open arch]

ain't no fuckin' way (I believe you but holy shit 😭 )

[rose laurel]

In the following patches, Yharim is then nerfed multiple times until he can be run godded

[silver shuttle]

The vengeful sun staff does more single target dps than the teraprisma 😭

[fathom girder]

lmao

[silver shuttle]

These are so many tiers appart progression wise

[open arch]

it WHAT

[silver shuttle]

Both with 11 summon slots

[blazing field]

unrelated but if fabsol was still writing the story as it is currently he'd unironically want for yharim to absorb yharon's soul for hype moments and aura and refuse to back down once lore writers told him it's fucking stupid and ruins his entire character

[twin mural]

What

[fathom girder]

"But it's like Godfrey turning into hoarah loux"

[blazing field]

HE'D SAY THAT

HE WOULD

[fathom girder]

EXACTLY LMFAOOOO

[twin mural]

☠️

[versed crow]

is summoner super glitchy for anyone else? like spawns just keep disappearing?

[fathom girder]

known glitch yea

[rose laurel]

Nah

[open arch]

"lilies of finality HAS to deal 512 damage even if it actually doesn't"
there were no signs

[rose laurel]

He didn't like Elden Ring

[blazing field]

Of course

[fathom girder]

that's a shame

[rose laurel]

Look

[blazing field]

But ok if he DID like elden ring he would say that

[rose laurel]

All I'm gonna say is

[open arch]

he did stream alot of it, challenge runs n' stuff..

[versed crow]

assume theres nothing to do to stop it?

[fathom girder]

There's no workaround known rn no

[rose laurel]

Everything makes A LOT OF SENSE when you know Dark Souls 3 is his favorite one

[versed crow]

damn

[rose laurel]

[versed crow]

is it the new update or something

[fathom girder]

my fucking god WHY DS3 OF ALL THINGS

WAIT SO HE'D MAKE YHARIM PULL A GAEL THEN

[rose laurel]

It's still a good fucking game don't get me wrong

[blazing field]

Give that thing to me....

Your auric soul.

[twin mural]

Damn

(Never played DS besides the 2 at the start)

[rose laurel]

Like, it's my favorite Dark Souls solely because of the narrative

[silver shuttle]

Give it to me, that thing. Your Terraria Calamity

[rose laurel]

But the gameplay is

A significant step down

Because

Guess what?

[untold chasm]

fabsol was literally the elon musk of modding

[open arch]

[dull heart]

I think its so funny spider staff is onr of the most broken items this update

[twin mural]

Never got past the part where you walk on a tree and there's suddenly a fire room next to it

[untold chasm]

i just made that connection

[twin mural]

I don remember well

[silver shuttle]

Dark souls 1 is the best one frfr

[lean relic]

oh my

[rose laurel]

Exploration was watered down significantly and everything is comically easy to get, meaning the entire game can be speedran with minimal effort barring the Bosses

Does this ring any bells?

[blazing field]

OH GEE

I WONDER.

[open arch]

hmm.. i haven't played ds3 but hmmm

[hard copper]

you, give me that thing, your auric soul

[untold chasm]

weird obsessions, creepy, has to be wrangled by his own assistants, transphobic....

[twin mural]

[open arch]

Stalker GAMMA clearly

[untold chasm]

all he's missing is an emerald mine and daddy's money

[fathom girder]

where have I heard that before

[open arch]

ET for the Atari

[unborn crane]

I'm surprised Life Crystals still have a pre-hm easy crafting recipe

[silver shuttle]

I thought you were calling Fabsol Aldrich for a second

[rose laurel]

That shit is not easy bruh

Life Crystals have an actually good recipe because it really is just

Not worth making them

They're there for renewability

[fading lagoon]

for multiplayer too i assume

[silver shuttle]

What I’m hearing is that the cobalt shield recipe is safe

[rose laurel]

Yrah

[twin mural]

It is with ruby crawlers

[rose laurel]

Also yes

[spiral wren]

is the wiki updated for class progression or no

[silver shuttle]

I will ignore the dungeon for a new milenia

[open arch]

and also lucky horseshoe c:

[silver shuttle]

The world is healing

[rose laurel]

Lucky Horseshoe is super whatever anyways

[untold chasm]

any hints on what boss is gonna get defabbed next

[silver shuttle]

Anyway plaguebringer goliath and empress of light are dead and I still haven’t crafted myself wings

How far can I take this, I still do not know

[open arch]

Bundle of Horseshoe Balloons? :P

[silver shuttle]

Nah

[open arch]

fair, it isn't wings till' MOAB tho
oh damn

[silver shuttle]

Boots and nothing else

I will be losing half my healthbar to fall damage mid fight

[fathom girder]

I offer you a challenge
Do the entire game without wings

[silver shuttle]

I could also just use the broom but that’s kinda lame

Defeats the point I think

[sterile moss]

Hmm it’s almost as if there was an item for that

[fathom girder]

Almost...

[twin mural]

Broom is quite slow

[fathom girder]

If only Doze made an accessory that allowed for that in a fun and interesting way...

[silver shuttle]

You’re either talking about the moab or something I don’t know about yet

[fathom girder]

Go kill ML and you'll see

[open arch]

btw, stacking the (protolith or batholith) bangle with the base version that just activates from weapon damage was a fun combo from early pre HM to EARLY HM. c:
black glass band would probably be really good with stealth rogue for a good while..

[unborn crane]

Indeed, but I think they could at least require a material later in progression. With Gem Trees getting vast amounts of rubies on demand is a lot easier than it used to be

[granite sapphire]

Ngl fun playthrough today, I'm enjoying 2.1 Ranger a ton

[silver shuttle]

If you take the time to set that up you deserve them

[granite sapphire]

Also forgot I had the rod of discord after the mechs

[silver shuttle]

I would never

[unborn crane]

Also true. In the time it takes for gemcorns to start paying off you could probably have gotten 400 HP by hunting for the crystals anyway

[granite sapphire]

Don't spoil anything after leviathan

Also, WHY WOULD THEY BUFF HELLBORN

[open arch]

gunbashing my beloved

[jagged adder]

The brain give my game a stroke now

[silver shuttle]

My goal is also to beat moonlord with vengeful sun staff to show off how crazy it is

[granite sapphire]

Basic shots deal almost 1.5k -2k with crits and up to 6k with adrenaline

[dull heart]

yknow whats funny

Its not even the moat broken summon at that stage by a long shot

[silver shuttle]

Its not that crazy honestly it’s just the fact it’s never fallen off

[dull heart]

The most broken is Spider Staff lol

Funny weapon

[granite sapphire]

Nobody spoil vengeful sun, I've just heard it's good but I still have to finish ranger and do my mage run before I do the reworked vengeful sun staff

[high folio]

I've been testing a few things with the new Wulfrum Hook and
Holy Hell!! for a second I thought this thing got butchered real badly.
Then I've read the patch notes on how it sinergizes with your equipped Grappling Hooks and they made it even more fun

[dull heart]

vengeful sun is fun

[dull heart]

wait how did you think it got butchered

Its like straight buffs

[granite sapphire]

Wait so bobbit hook an acrobatics pack is meta for defiled

[dull heart]

But yeah i massively buffed axronpack

[dull heart]

No

Acro pack best hook is Dissonance or Static probably

[silver shuttle]

You genuinely don’t even need to nerf it because it’s just always consistenly lining up with other weapons in the tier dps wise

[dull heart]

peak

[silver shuttle]

Its genuinely crazy

[granite sapphire]

So you saved mollusk last second and buffed acrobatics pack, what else did you do to make this mod 10x better

[dull heart]

Wait until you get to Saros

[fathom girder]

oh shit I should absolutely do an acropack only run for movement

[silver shuttle]

It does like the exact same dps as teraprisma with spooky armour

[dull heart]

I did the alcohols and chaos stone and mirror blade

[silver shuttle]

I also just sat in front of the lunaric cultist and spammed shield of the high ruler and it somehow worked

[dull heart]

Ok thats definitely too strong lol

[granite sapphire]

retirement is no longer an option for you

[dull heart]

Prisma is meant to be strongest pre ml summon

[trim moat]

doze didnt you do the reworked DoG behavior 😭

[dull heart]

Yes

That too

[unique warren]

So does Sirius also have the wacky multiclass bs or nah

[fathom girder]

(all of which are peak go use all of these)

[granite sapphire]

yeah I think retirement will never be an option

[trim moat]

"that too" like it wasnt at the forefront of ALL our marketing for brainstorm

[dull heart]

Yes and no

No stratus weapon forces multiclass, but they benefit it a ton

[unique warren]

Damn.

[dull heart]

Sirius is great solo l

[high folio]

At first I though the physics on this thing got butchered, plus you can't jump when latching on to a surface, which legit felt awful.

[dull heart]

But even better when paired with other stuff

[granite sapphire]

Oh yeah so is the dog resprite scrapped or is it going to be less extravagant

[trim moat]

doze made one of the worst bosses in cal into one of the best and it was basically a side quest btw thats super commendable

also dog resprite is for way waaaay later

[dull heart]

i didn't change the jump logic for hooking onto a surface, and i actually improved the physics on it

[trim moat]

not even worth discussing yet imo

[unique warren]

Again, damn.

[dull heart]

Okay but to be fair

[fathom girder]

WE LOVE DOZE

[dull heart]

I also nerfed ram dashes, pushed for ankh removal feom valor, reworked and retierd Cosmolight, and added bakidon

[granite sapphire]

Also after I fought providence I understand the praise you got, providence is BEAUTIFUL.
Did you do the guardians too?

[trim moat]

yes, both

[blazing field]

That specific resprite is scrapped

but it will still get a resprite eventually

just not that one

[dull heart]

I can be your angle or your jevil

[fathom girder]

The visuals on those are absolutely stunning now, I love both fights more with those new visuals :D

[granite sapphire]

I'm so glad they look less like rocks on fire and more like actual holy flames

[trim moat]

guardians came as a package deal though and some of the shield fx i didnt do (basically any visual that was in the mod before 2.1 is not mine)

[granite sapphire]

The old providence and guardians looked like cheese and overcooked cookie dough

[trim moat]

well thats not what i changed

i just added particles and a bunch of code to make the projectiles look nicer

[unique warren]

This update is really good even if it didn’t fully meet my expectations in some regards

[trim moat]

i did the same for old duke and im a little more proud of the old duke tbh

[fathom girder]

Which are very impressive, honestly the laser visual changes helped me with dodging them which is cool af

[granite sapphire]

Oh yeah fire, I did two at the same time on accident and won

[unique warren]

I can’t rlly think of anything bad about it that isn’t just what I thought it would do but didn’t, so essentially perfect

[granite sapphire]

Last night.

[unique warren]

Like wow this is fire,,,

[granite sapphire]

I never knew old duke learned Draco meteor midway in the fight

Also vitriolic viper is now my favorite dog weapon

For melee

[dull heart]

but... Galileo Gladius...

[granite sapphire]

At first it was either Phos Gauntlet or deaths Ascension, and then became Galileo Gladius, but after the rework Vitriolic Viper is probably my go to now

[dull heart]

Also vitrolic viper is mage??

[unique warren]

I actually did not realize how many “new” true melee weapons there were cause is incorrect classifications dude to some having non-true melee right click attacks

[granite sapphire]

Idk the thingy ma bobber

[dull heart]

Insidious impaler?

[granite sapphire]

very much

[unique warren]

Oh also I hate this update it’s trackpadphobic 😔 😔 😔

[trim moat]

Egads, I only wish to have a combat implement to assist in my self-defense!

The humble broadsword:

[dull heart]

Galileo Gladius is so funny rn

Its so strong

I think it got like 1:30 dog

[unique warren]

I can’t even use Basher right why bother playing

[dull heart]

We are gonna fix that

[granite sapphire]

I liked the old one but the new one is definitely a lot cooler...
Just don't use the pull on a contact damage boss...

[trim moat]

yes viper is mage

[unique warren]

[dull heart]

The pull gives full frames

[granite sapphire]

I almost killed myself fighting the 2 old dukes doing that 😭

[dull heart]

Iframes

You just need to not rip the sword out too early when pulling in

And not launch yourself into their movement path

[granite sapphire]

How many

[hot wadi]

pretty sure that makes up most bosses, especially on the tier where it is used

[silver shuttle]

I’m pretty confidence astrogeldon slime is impossible without wings lmao

[unique warren]

Oh yeah did we get any pre-Provi javelins btw?

[granite sapphire]

So I'm not screwing up one of my favorite weapons

[unique warren]

MOAB?

[silver shuttle]

Not using

[granite sapphire]

Boots

Boots are affected by the inf flight iirc

[dull heart]

The entire reel, the time sitting on the enemy, and half a second after launch all have iframes

[unique warren]

Sorry wait wait wait MOAB counts as wings? Are they stupid?

[granite sapphire]

Yeah

[unique warren]

In what world is MOAB an wing

[dull heart]

You can turn the wings off

Or leave them on

[granite sapphire]

Defiled rules says so

[dull heart]

Theh can be both

[high folio]

Yep, its cause of the Jet-Pack

[simple merlin]

ok wulfrum bobber is weird every time i hold in the direction the blue wave goes it just resets and gets nothing

[dull heart]

Outdated to 2.1

[granite sapphire]

Ah

[inner timber]

I'm fine with the perf worms as long as they become more unique from one another, instead of generic worm 1 and 2 and eow 2

[dull heart]

Hold until the next wave pops up

[unique warren]

Sorry wait hold the phone hold up wait a minute since when was it like this

[lean relic]

Is Shrimpy Truffle counted

[unique warren]

Am I tripping

[inner timber]

since it's existence, i think

[dull heart]

2.1 adds a toggle to disable moab wings entirely

[silver shuttle]

I’m just avoiding mobility beyond boots in general

[unique warren]

So what’s the point of the accessory

[granite sapphire]

So what does the mini game reward you with, I never bothered reading the entire thing cause I'm not big into fishing

[dull heart]

Just a more interesting way to fish

[unique warren]

Isn’t the point that it’s wings-tier but not actual wings

[dull heart]

Might be fasyer tooo

[granite sapphire]

Ah so less just waiting for sonars to go off

[simple merlin]

it just immediately resets on tap/press

[dull heart]

No

[unique warren]

So it’s just wings

[spiral tree]

Hi I like spiders

[dull heart]

Is a red circle showing up at all

[simple merlin]

no

[dull heart]

Hmm

Idk whats happening then

[inner timber]

it's high vertical mobility wings (bundle with frog leg), and in 2.1 they can just have the high vertical mobility aspect
they have terrible flight time but insane vertical accel, nd with the jumps it gives it a niche beyond set of wings #672

[silver shuttle]

It has flight time in the item description

[simple merlin]

i has bait and in sunken sea

[granite sapphire]

did you know that the daddy long legs spider is scientifically classified as a scorpion

[unique warren]

Oh okay so I see but uh what’s the point here again

[high folio]

Yes, if you have Wing Slot, you can only equip the MOAB as a wing

[unique warren]

Like is it going for double jumpmaxxing or wingsmaxxing

[granite sapphire]

Either way I thought statis' sash/belt and frog leg was meta, is Moab gonna change that?

[inner timber]

the point of it is good vertical control (the jumps allow for instantaneous vertical acceleration when not grounded) and good vertical speed at the cost of flight time and horizontal speed when not using boots
its main niche is being like, diagonal wings

[unique warren]

Okay so it’s boring

[silver shuttle]

I have ruled that for astrogeldon specifically a broomstick is not counted as wings

[trim moat]

as a kid i always heard that daddy long legs werent technically spiders and that made me significantly more comfortable around them. thank GOD nobody told me this when i was 10

[inner timber]

statis belt and sash had buffed dashes (insanely fast) so they're likely still gonna be incredibly strong lol

[spiral tree]

I was pretty sure they were not classified as any of them since they are like their own "species"

[inner timber]

are you doing like. defiled geldon or something? is defiled no flight, not just wingless?

[spiral tree]

They are arachnids but not classified as a spider or scorpion

[silver shuttle]

I’m not even using it’s loot I just kinda wanna beat it

[unique warren]

So it’s just post-mechs jet pack and that’s kind of it?

Like I wanna make sure I understand this because I feel like I may not be

[silver shuttle]

I’ve been doing boots only for mobility so far

[inner timber]

yeah, harvestmen arent spiders or scorpions

[granite sapphire]

i think this is what everyone does with geldon after their first run

[fathom girder]

Can the devs add more post ml hooks so that the wulfrum acropack gets more upgrades in post ml

[silver shuttle]

Its likely optimal to just ignore it actually

[twin mural]

I like a spider

[unique warren]

Yeah idk I think I just don’t get it that’s fine tho

[granite sapphire]

I mean bobbit and celestial are great

[fathom girder]

yeah but

I want that feeling of progression you know

[spiral tree]

I love studying about spiders a looot I have some pet spiders in tiny 'Ecosystems" made in jars

[inner timber]

I think jetpack's niche is moreso its boost, whereas moab's is the jump speed and extra jumps

[granite sapphire]

My older cousin used to own a tarantula, I hated it, but spiders are cool when they're behind safety glass

[unique warren]

Hm, alright, still kinda more lame than I thought it was but that’s cool ig

[inner timber]

i cant think of anything that would fit ngl, anything pre bobbit would feel way too early to get another hook and anything post bobbit would have to be ridiculously strong, or bobbit nerfed, and also would make bobbit pretty short lived

[spiral tree]

I like handling them and touching them a lot

I bought a tarantula some days ago still waiting for it to arrive

[fathom girder]

Yeah it's admittedly a shitposty want from me lul

[granite sapphire]

Spiders are genetically engineered to dominate other smaller arachnids and any insect despite their unoptimal survival biology

[unique warren]

You may be in need of some rich mahogany

[open arch]

Oooo, what variety?

[fathom girder]

heheheheheheheheheheh

[unique warren]

It would have been fun for Cal to add Hardmode-tier double jump accessories but ig Souls DLC has you covered

[granite sapphire]

I watched a video on why spiders and centipedes are unique, and it's due to the fact they barely evolved and how most insects have evolved to have less legs due to efficiency and the quantity, since larger insects in prehistoric times dominated the land, and they had to evolve smaller and more efficient to outpace their competitors (lizard humans and the first dinosaur ancestors) by pure numbers rather than size and strength

[spiral tree]

Golden Knee

[silver shuttle]

I’ve actually ruled the “fuck that clause” for astrogeldon and we will pretend like it does not exist

What even is a cataclysm mod anyhow

[unique warren]

Centipedes are really weird cause they (iirc) just keep growing legs??? Maybe that’s millipedes but wtf

[granite sapphire]

But I'm still completely horrified when I'm near a spider, last time I almost touched a house spider, sprayed it with half a can of spider killer, stomped it, and then torched it

[open arch]

oooo, nice! Wish my state was a liiiiittle more lax with varieties you’re allowed to keep, but I’m planning on a Brazilian Black myself soon enough :>

[granite sapphire]

Torching it inside the house wasn't a good idea but it worked

[fathom girder]

Rogue weapons no longer being consumable is like. The absolute 100% best change that brainstorm made

[spiral tree]

That's my second favourite tarantula and yeah some countries suck

[fathom girder]

I NEVER used the consumables so this is such a huge arsenal buff lol

[unique warren]

I am quite fond of Earth rework…

[fathom girder]

earth rework is pretty swag

[spiral tree]

I love them, specially handling with them, I'm only scared of black widows because they can be bothered pretty easily and that would end up in my death probably

[granite sapphire]

If I were to own a spider it would likely just be a non venomous one or also own a dragonfly with a venomous spider on the side so if it gets out the dragonfly would take care of it

[unique warren]

And also the only true melee weapon with decent range for when you get it

It’s 28 tiles but like it’s postgame it can have it

[granite sapphire]

Dragonflies, Nature's Insect Assassins.

[manic fox]

does arctic diving gear no longer spawn in the ice lab?

[unique warren]

As a treat!

[spiral tree]

I have a orb weaver standing in the corner of my room I love her

[valid spire]

is it normal cthulhu shield bounces me hella far when I press the opposite direction key

[granite sapphire]

Dragonflies are super interesting because they basically have King Crimson in their head

[spiral tree]

U should get the old trustable jumping spider

[granite sapphire]

They're adorable, but my fear of spiders is nearly irrational and if it jumped towards me I'd accidentally kill it

[spiral tree]

But they don't do anything harmful 🥺

[granite sapphire]

My fear is nearly irrational

I torched a house spider because I almost touched it on accident while cleaning

[unique warren]

Evil…

[granite sapphire]

Beforehand spraying it with flammable spider killer and stomping it

[unique warren]

Also fym “nearly” 😭 😭 😭

[granite sapphire]

It's not to a point that I can't get over it like an irrational phobia, but it's still significantly impactful on my life

[spiral tree]

This breaks my heart

[unique warren]

Any actual fear from a spider that poses no threat to you is inherently irrational

[high folio]

What I mean by the Wulfrum physics feeling off is not being able to jump after hanging on to an object, which leads to stuff like this

[unique warren]

Well that means it’s nearly a phobia, but it’s 100% irrational

[spiral tree]

I get sad when I accidentally kill any spider while cleaning my house

[unique warren]

What is this weird thing you are shooting

[high folio]

That's the Wulfrum Acrobatics Pack

[granite sapphire]

It's nearly irrational because I am willing to test my fears to like them, it's just I get scared because they're hairy, tiny, and gross looking

[unique warren]

It def is irrational but alr

[granite sapphire]

Also spider movies don't help me

[silver shuttle]

Phantasmal death ray is a slight issue for the no wings run

[unique warren]

Irrational just means without logical reason

[silver shuttle]

Gang is a rod of discord legally wings

[granite sapphire]

An irrational fear is one that you cannot control and will never get rid of

[unique warren]

Fuck no lmfao

[blazing field]

lizard humans

what

[silver shuttle]

I don’t know…. It does let you go upwards……

[granite sapphire]

When humans came from the ocean we were ugly little lizard babiss

[blazing field]

where did you get this info from

No we weren't

[unique warren]

Sorry sorry but you can get rid of phobias lol

[blazing field]

That's not a human that's a entirely different animal

[granite sapphire]

we were still ugly little freaks

[blazing field]

We weren't anything

cuz humans didnt exist

[granite sapphire]

But we were still ugly little freaks

[blazing field]

did you get this from like one of those ai shorts or something

cuz its blatantly wrong

[unique warren]

Could just be over exaggerated

[spiral tree]

I wish I was a little spider in the jungle

[granite sapphire]

I was watching this guy on YouTube who goes over nature like the oceanic depths between the twilight, midnight, challenger deep, and hadal zone

[blazing field]

eat bug

[spiral tree]

Eat bug. Make. Home.

That's mii

[granite sapphire]

If I was an insect I'd choose to be an ant, because it's easier to follow a hive than independent

[blazing field]

ants r smart asf

theyre cool as hell

[spiral tree]

I don't depend on others

[granite sapphire]

Well sometimes...

If they make a circle with their pheromones they'll repeatedly walk in a circle until they die of exhaustion

[unique warren]

I like rats… and guinea pigs and bnnuy.

[blazing field]

That's not rly cuz of them being dumbb

[steep pagoda]

it's true

[granite sapphire]

I learned that from a Zack d films short

[little juniper]

is there a release date for the second part of the update yet?

[steep pagoda]

im still an ugly little lizard baby. haven't evolved

[blazing field]

bny

i like

[radiant sparrow]

That's because they've lost the scent right?

[blazing field]

bnuy

[spiral tree]

Brain rotted

[unique warren]

I am quite fond of my gnuiea pigs

I can’t believe they removed them from terraria…

[granite sapphire]

You know, biologically isopods are the perfect creature on earth

They haven't needed to evolve for millions of years

[blazing field]

they're sorta hard wired to follow the other's ant pheromones so they can keep following eachother and organize themselves perfectly into formation as needed even when therse 50000 morbilion ants that wouldnt b able to see eachother

[unique warren]

What about that one fih

[blazing field]

look i know im being a grouch rn but as a major biology nerd this is also wrong 😭

[granite sapphire]

Isopods genetics make them the perfect being... Almost as Perfect as Kars.

[steep pagoda]

wouldn't the perfect creature be like

[granite sapphire]

I love doing dumb references

[blazing field]

Everytime someone says "this animal has not needed to evolve for millions of years!" its a fundamental misunderstanding of how evolution works n what they actually mean is "lol they look prehistoric"

[radiant sparrow]

What's your favourite buge

[steep pagoda]

an amoeba

[blazing field]

i like weevils and centipedes theyre cool

[silver shuttle]

The perfext creature is me specifically

[steep pagoda]

because it's just a guy

[unique warren]

I fucking HATE this mod..

[radiant sparrow]

WeEVIL you're evil. Get em bobby

[blazing field]

slay

[silver shuttle]

And also Moths

[steep pagoda]

it's the one guy at the bottom of te ocean

that's been chilling and doesn't gaf

[granite sapphire]

The best bug is ants for me though, they're so cool

[blazing field]

i'm pretty sure if there's any organisms that have genuinely not evolved in the slightest ever since like the paleozoic or something

it'd be fucking bacterias and amoebas and shit

😭

[unique warren]

Roly poly neg diffs

[granite sapphire]

What about lobsters, they're immortal

[blazing field]

like when people say horseshoe crabs or coelacanths didn't evolve

[silver shuttle]

One thing I have learned is that vengeful sun staff absolutely sucks at hitting the moon lords top eye

[blazing field]

that's actually straight up wrong

[blazing field]

no theyre not

[steep pagoda]

ya i mean there's not really room for improvement . if ur a single cell you've just been one cell ur whole existence

[blazing field]

The modern coelacanth genus, Latimeria, is an exclusively modern genus

[granite sapphire]

If they have perfect care, attention, feeding, and molt they don't die of old age do they

[blazing field]

No they still do

[steep pagoda]

i mean they had to have evolved because how else.did they get here 😭

[silver shuttle]

They’re going to bombard you with widespread misinformation fueled factoids forever……… Burrower

[unique warren]

Ya they’re just minutely different rather than drastically so, right?

[blazing field]

No they're

[silver shuttle]

Escape while you still can……

[blazing field]

actually rly different in many aspects

Extinct coelacanths were

way more diverse

[granite sapphire]

I think I've just been gaslit too much

[blazing field]

The reason its called a "living fossil" is mostly because

we thought it was extinct

it wasnt

thats basically it

coelacanths r realistically no less different from their extinct counterparts than like

most fish

[granite sapphire]

I wasn't really good at my biology classes

[unique warren]

Slowdown immunity goes crazy

[dusk bronze]

what are we calamity update talking

[radiant sparrow]

Burrower what do you think is the most tasty extinct animal/creature

[steep pagoda]

they must've evolved because the extinct coelocatnsths weren't good enough

[blazing field]

Extinct coelacanths included giant freshwater filter-feeders,diminute sardine-like saltwater schooling fish, tuna-like predators

[steep pagoda]

that's why the all DIED

[granite sapphire]

I just know scorpions are ominously posing and there is a lobster god religion

[unique warren]

What’s the story with Coelacanths again anyways? Where did they find em?

[steep pagoda]

it's a SKILL. ISSUE .

[unique warren]

This also reminds me of that one fuckass pond in the desert with the fish

[steep pagoda]

evolution is just a series of skill issues

[granite sapphire]

mountains maybe idk

[blazing field]

Basically, Coelacanths were for a long while, not present at all in the fossil record beyond the cretaceous and also no alive coelacanths had been discovered, so they were thought to b extinct

But then a live coelacanth was discovered in africa

[unique warren]

Dope

[blazing field]

And then after that we slowly discovered

[granite sapphire]

That's selective evolution iirc

[blazing field]

more coelacanth fossils from after the cretaceous

[spiral tree]

I love this talk about bugs

[unique warren]

Yeah what was this about

[blazing field]

so basically evolution genuinrely just fucking trolled us

😭

[steep pagoda]

ya it's the main one ppl think of, evolution can also just happen but the cooler one is a series of skill issues

[blazing field]

only finding post-cretaceous coelacanth fossils AFTER we find a alive one in real life

[granite sapphire]

Why do opposable thunbs

[steep pagoda]

grabby

grabby good for life

[unique warren]

Like there was this fuckass pond in the desert with little ahh fih and some drunk guys barfed and almost fucked em over idk.

[granite sapphire]

I MEANT TO ASK WHY DO WHALES HAVE OPPOSABLE THUMBS

[blazing field]

something ppl dont understand is taht evolution isnt a intentional design and is like essentially 90% rnhg

Like

An animal will just mutate something randomly

[steep pagoda]

didn't whales come out the ocean and then come back in the ocean

[blazing field]

and if its good, it'll keep spreading the genes of that mutation further

[unique warren]

It’s a great example of how life is pretty much entirely dictated by cause and effect tbh

[granite sapphire]

because of the shitnut virus from plague inc

[steep pagoda]

yea evolution is entirely random

it's non deterministic

[granite sapphire]

what about that one tiny little cave of endangered fish that are the most inbred species on earth

[steep pagoda]

things will just happen

[unique warren]

It’s not random it just doesn’t have a set purpose

[blazing field]

Thousands of years of evolution for fish to eventually lead to mammals

And then they just go

"nah nvm"

[unique warren]

What does and doesn’t live isn’t chosen but it is caused

[granite sapphire]

but why do whale have thumb bones

[mighty geyser]

DEVILS HOLE PUPFISH MENTION

[blazing field]

It is random in the sense the mutations just kinda

happen

[steep pagoda]

i mean the mutations are random it's just we never notice the bad ones bc they're all dead

[unique warren]

I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAG COME ON

[blazing field]

Cuz they used to be land mammals

that had thumbs

[granite sapphire]

I didn't read it mb

[unique warren]

Ehhh arguable but they’re def psuedorandom ya

[blazing field]

the mutations themselves r random and jujst a result of genetic "errors"

[granite sapphire]

Nice knowing we are possibly related to whales

[blazing field]

what mutations actually get passed through isn't though

[blazing field]

I mean we are

in the sense uh

we're both mammals

[unique warren]

Like how a computer’s rng is pseudorandom I don’t think anything is ever actually random including mutations but that’s kinda just a me thing

[granite sapphire]

Nice knowing our great 2000x grandparents were whales banging on land

[steep pagoda]

i guess from the perspective that you could be genetically predisposed to certain mutations it's not entirely random ?? but those genetic predispositions are random if you go far back enough so id still call it random

[spiral tree]

Meow

[honest oar]

Why doesn't Angel Treads grant immunity to the “on fire” debuff when they are a direct upgrade to Terra Boots, which have an obsidian skull in their crafting recipe that grants this effect?

[blazing field]

It's more like our distant siblings if anything

[steep pagoda]

this is a different conversation 😭 but true randomness does exist

[blazing field]

Whales aren't ancestral to primates in any way

[unique warren]

I personally disagree but yes it is an entirely different conversation

[granite sapphire]

Why couldn't we evolve to be like pokemon and shoot out freaking ice beams and rain meteors

[steep pagoda]

okie okie

[spiral tree]

Devs felt like it

[steep pagoda]

physics probably ☹️

[unique warren]

Doesn’t mean we can’t talk about it but also maybe we should consider what chat we’re in

[granite sapphire]

All my homies hate physics

[steep pagoda]

god said no

[blazing field]

my biology autism is too powerful it overrid my need to be a responsible moderator

[granite sapphire]

This is why I'll never major in physics

[steep pagoda]

responsible moderator < fun moderator

[mighty geyser]

to clarify neither are the cetaceans that decided fuck no go back in the first place
entirely different branches of mammalia

[steep pagoda]

🙂‍↕️ 🙂‍↕️ 🙂‍↕️

[granite sapphire]

Moderate my dms with biology autism great burrower

[unique warren]

Chat is this rizz

[steep pagoda]

insane

[mighty geyser]

yeah

[granite sapphire]

Is it?

[unique warren]

I’m sorry

[steep pagoda]

too scary im leaving

[twin mural]

Dayum

[unique warren]

My apologies

[granite sapphire]

dude idfk what is or isn't rizz 😭

[blazing field]

@wicked temple you seeing this

[upbeat nacelle]

What are your thoughts about the Exorcism rework from this update?

[granite sapphire]

i was just asking to have a bunch of stuff to read in my past times

[spiral tree]

Brain poison

[granite sapphire]

it's okay

good to know I have unintentional autism rizz that I'll never know if I'm actually using it

[unique warren]

I’m just saying telling a mod to “moderate your dms” is funny asf

[lean spruce]

A sacrilege against Chrsitianity! /s

[fathom girder]

Your mother is quite closely related to both

[blazing field]

she's dead

[fathom girder]

oh. Sorry

[blazing field]

no lol its fine

[lean spruce]

Just like the ancestral primates

[granite sapphire]

oof

[mighty geyser]

INCOMPARABLE comeback no matter what

[granite sapphire]

also guys how long do you think it should take to lose 72 pounds

[blazing field]

you get me

[fathom girder]

I MEAN I CAN'T JUST KEEP GOING WHEN YOU SAY THAT

[granite sapphire]

With consistency and healthier eating

[blazing field]

depends on one's metabolism and what you're doing to lose it

[fathom girder]

it's just like. well shit there goes the funny lol

[steep pagoda]

over a year ideally

[granite sapphire]

fuck, Alexa says I gotta lose 100 sobbing

[unique warren]

Probably also depends on current weight I’d think…?

[steep pagoda]

also true

[granite sapphire]

...

I'm like really overweight for my height and age

[unique warren]

Don’t gotta provide that I’m just saying

[steep pagoda]

it's not really recommended to lose over a pound a week

[frail owl]

hm since when was this channel revolve around weight loss?

[steep pagoda]

much better to take the long and proper way because you're significantly more likely to actuslly keep that weight lost

[fathom girder]

Take it one step at a time then. Start practicing basic exercise, maybe lay off the grease a little more, stuff like that

[granite sapphire]

212.2 lbs

[unique warren]

It’s getting rid of bloat, which is very relevant to the mod

[steep pagoda]

TRUE?

[mighty geyser]

TRUE

[lean spruce]

What height?

[frail owl]

[blazing field]

[mighty geyser]

27 removed weapons is not nearly enough

[steep pagoda]

kill them all

[granite sapphire]

Im attempting to eat less calories that my taste buds can hold and lowering the amount and begin eating vegetables along with consistent workouts

[steep pagoda]

7,838,193 shortswords removed

[gloomy grove]

i thought it was over 2lbs/1kg a week that was not recommended

[granite sapphire]

5'5"
165 cm

[unique warren]

Kill 7 billion items

[cinder mural]

https://youtube.com/shorts/svAvNW_J4nE?si=jZfnavefHQVJqkwj

[granite sapphire]

I need to lose 100 pounds to have my ideal weight for my age

[steep pagoda]

2lbs a week is like not the best, 1 pound is preferable but 2 is okay

[fathom girder]

Sounds like a good plan. Now the hard part will be keeping yourself to that

[cinder mural]

I keep forgetting no embed perms xD

[twin mural]

I need to gain 50 pounds to have my ideal weight for my age

[lean spruce]

Idk man I’m 5’6” at 140 and kinda slim still

[steep pagoda]

the most important thing is caloric intake and working out helps supplement that

[granite sapphire]

I might just start learning how to weld and start putting all of the unhealthy stuff inside steel crates

[spiral tree]

I need to gain 64kg

[granite sapphire]

Maybe working out while ranking up chess elo

[steep pagoda]

getting a little bit of muscle goes a long way in increasing metabolism and cardio is obv good for preventing heart disease and burning calories

[fathom girder]

I gotta say Doze, your accessories are so cleverly designed to last throughout an entire playthrough
Acro pack scales off of your grapples to be useful as a wings replacement for a whole game, and chaos stone scales with damage allowing it to work with whatever weapon at whatever stage you want

[fathom girder]

An amusing strat

[granite sapphire]

5'5 male at 16 years old is around 110-115 according to my Alexa

I'm 100 lbs over

[wicked temple]

hiya

[mighty geyser]

HELP my playlist switched to boss music as soon as u arrived

[spiral tree]

Lesbian

[steep pagoda]

hello azafroth'!

[granite sapphire]

I'm so cooked

[spiral tree]

[twin mural]

18yo, 175cm (5'74)
I weigh 51kg (like 102 pounds)

[mighty geyser]

oh me

[granite sapphire]

I didn't think it was rizz and now I'm being executed via public stoning

[spiral tree]

Mii too

[steep pagoda]

😨

[frail owl]

hi there 🐇

[vestal osprey]

Is it bad im already getting excited for what future revengence boss AI could be

[main wadi]

Old Lord Claymore still being a pre hardmode meele dropped by Bone serpents?

[wicked temple]

🐇

[granite sapphire]

1%

[frail owl]

yes

[wicked temple]

oh im genuinely taller than u by about a foot

interesting information

[frail owl]

the gods deigned it to me on the first serpent kill

[gloomy grove]

it is way higher than 1

[main wadi]

i been farming for straight 7 hours (worth it)

[unique warren]

I must say I’m not big into their Stratus gear rework, I’m a bigger fan of gear that works together inherently rather than having a shared gimmick, but their stuff is neat

[vestal osprey]

If they cooked this hard with just the Brain, one of the first bosses.. what are the later more important bosses gonna look like?

[granite sapphire]

i got my mom's genetics as I got older, my deadbeat was like 6 feet or smth but I think nature nerfed me

[fathom girder]

The shared gimmick thing was because Doze is a huge fan of all-class type stuff. The stratus set isn't my favorite but I fully understand and can use it properly

[frail owl]

the starburst mechanic reminds me of league of legends

[steep pagoda]

like the candy???

[frail owl]

[granite sapphire]

My younger cousins are starting to get taller than me and I'm 3 years older

[tribal isle]

2% normally 6% post evil 1

[twin mural]

It isn't as bad as it sounds to be fair

[cinder mural]

Ew
League of legends

Death

[mighty geyser]

jealous

[granite sapphire]

I haven't grown an inch taller since 2022

[frail owl]

hi there napoleon bonaparte

[unique warren]

Yeah and I love all-class and them specifically synergizing with one another is exactly what multiclass usually avoids and it is PEAK

[steep pagoda]

gurl EAT some nuts or something

[granite sapphire]

In 2022 i was 5'3 or over

[cinder mural]

Napoleork WAAAAGHaparte

[twin mural]

I still don't get why am I so malnourished despite eating as much as anyone in my family

[granite sapphire]

Metabolism

[steep pagoda]

crazy metabolism i suppose

plus if u need to walk around a lot or something fairly often

[granite sapphire]

Some metabolismsare deathly lethal

[steep pagoda]

like an active job or walk to school or smth

[mighty geyser]

this image goes hard

[steep pagoda]

LOLL

[twin mural]

Kinda
Usually when I've got to buy groceries

[unique warren]

All class is kind of the “random bullshit go” class where you gotta find a debuff weapon, a support weapon, a high damage weapon, a lower damage homing weapon, etc. and they never match well and that’s so peak

So making them all synergize like that just kinda takes the fun out of it idk

[twin mural]

I just find the weapon that deals more damage

[silver shuttle]

Moon lord beaten Wingless

[mighty geyser]

baffling take

[unique warren]

You’d be better off doing monoclass tbh

[silver shuttle]

Sorry guys but globes are legally wings

So I can’t use them or they will find me

[unique warren]

Are you gonna like critique my points or…?

[steep pagoda]

no🙂‍↕️

[twin mural]

Wait you mean all class like playing 5 classes at once at the same time?

[granite sapphire]

This image goes infinitely harder

[steep pagoda]

that's also a good one

looks kinda like me

[unique warren]

Yeah it’s tough but god damn is it funny

[steep pagoda]

[cinder mural]

Yes

[twin mural]

Sounds painful as fuck

[mighty geyser]

no? youre entitled to personally dislike it i just think its weird

[unique warren]

Okay well that’s just lame

[mighty geyser]

😭

[twin mural]

Like do you just switch weapons every forth and back

[silver shuttle]

Ok it might actually be a good idea to allow gravity globe for the wingless run

But I can’t tell if I should or not…….

[fathom girder]

It's not wings, it's allowed

[silver shuttle]

It might be too good

[granite sapphire]

300 special defense regice

[fathom girder]

It's not too good, it falls in line with your RULES

[silver shuttle]

How do you know that it’s not wings……..

[fathom girder]

Because it's gravity manipulation in order to simulate flight in an effective manner

[silver shuttle]

It might be wings in secret

What if the glass is made out of wings, or theres a bird inside the globe

[fathom girder]

But it is NOT flight

[silver shuttle]

Too many variables……..

[twin mural]

It's just falling with style

[unique warren]

Yeah kinda? If you can’t aim at the boss well, use your homing weapon (usually Ranger or melee for me), every now and again use your support weapon (usually mage), have summons at all times, an utilize rogue stealth when using rage or adrenaline for a larger damage increase

Oh and if you can aim well, use your good aiming weapon

[inner timber]

what

[unique warren]

You can also opt for having a homing weapon for ranger and a true melee weapon

[steep pagoda]

meo Meo meoww

[unique warren]

[fathom girder]

@dull heart Dude I love that I can do shit like this- it's so simple but I can make so much use of the environment to position myself into places that would usually require resources or something clunky and it's AWESOME ALREADY

[inner timber]

multiclassing and using rogue stealth is lowkey ridiculous i cant lie to you, do you armor switch or are you just constantly at a lower output for rogue armor

[silver shuttle]

Wtf they removed wingstats but stardust wings still have a passive effect 😭

They’re hiding the dps from me……

[unique warren]

Oh yeah I kinda forgot that stealth is fucked over for multiclass for no reason at all

[inner timber]

anyways i feel it is so much more fun to use weapons that have actual synergy

[unique warren]

It’s doing the work for you

[steep pagoda]

i disagree

i think it's simply rewarding you for putting in the work

[unique warren]

You don’t gotta think about what will pair well with one another you just kinda get it given to you

[mighty geyser]

when the game is designed:

[inner timber]

i feel it'd be a bit broken to use another class's strong ass weapons and then use the rogue's strong ass burst damage (basically strongest burst in the game) for free lol

[misty wren]

i dont think you know what using items with synergy means

[unique warren]

Sure but just give them a lil stealth lmfao

[inner timber]

you still have to juggle how they work and which would be the optimal choice at any given time, along with an entire new system to manage

[inner timber]

elaborate on this i have no idea what you'd mean

[steep pagoda]

i mean it's just impossible to purposefully design non synergistic weapons? if you want to find weapons that work well together without having a synergy then that's on you

[unique warren]

Why the fuck would that be on me

[steep pagoda]

because you're literally asking for the devs to not design weapons with synergy

whether or not synergy exists you can find weapons that have no synergy

[unique warren]

Tell me when I requested that the devs not add synergistic weapons

[inner timber]

also ngl with what you said there's already no synergy with your weapons . you're just making sure they dont step on each other's toes with what they're doing lol
that isnt synergy there's just no anti synergy

[unique warren]

I’m not saying it’s bad I’m just saying it’s not really fun at all for me

[steep pagoda]

every weapon combo that doesn't have explicit synergy is non synergistic?? so just find one of those?

you can't add a nonexistent property

[unique warren]

Tell me

[misty wren]

items with synergy doesnt mean items specifically designed to be used together with some extra thing when used together it just means items that work together

[unique warren]

No like seriously I am not saying that the game lacks those I’m just not that into the Stratus weapons

[mighty geyser]

no they arent?

"i dont like waffles"
"oh so you want no one to make waffles EVER??"

[steep pagoda]

then idk what the argument is about

[unique warren]

Instead of giving literally 0 stealth I think they should give like, a bit

[unique warren]

Why does it have to be an argument I’m just trying to have conversation here

[steep pagoda]

ie must've misunderstood then

[unique warren]

I like talking about things

[steep pagoda]

im not good at reading situations okie

i just saw there was some discourse about stratus being too synergistic

[inner timber]

part of the stratus set's gimmick is that not only do they synergize with one another, but they explicitly bring eachother up and are best used together, and there are so many ways to use them together that you still need to figure out how to use them together in a way that fits your playstyle without dictating what or how you're supposed to utilize them . it is so incredibly fun to figure out how you like using each stratus weapon and what you think they're best at

[unique warren]

I was mostly just saying it’s not rlly what I want when I do all class

[inner timber]

do you mean other armors should still give stealth or other weapons should only slow stealth gain

[silver shuttle]

I think they’re saying there should be a baseline tiny amount of stealth

[unique warren]

Okay wait maybe I am misunderstanding how stealth works but it is only used when you use a rogue weapon and doesn’t increase when firing any weapon at all right

[steep pagoda]

it usually gets expended when you fire any weapon

there are a few outliers but generally it's always used i believe

[misty wren]

^

[steep pagoda]

[unique warren]

I must be confused why is it like this

[steep pagoda]

uuuhhhghhhmmmm.......

[inner timber]

most weapons drain stealth when used so you cant just like save the stealth or whatever, only rogue actually benefits from any damage bonus of it though
outside of a few accessories, the only way to generate it is to not be attacking

[steep pagoda]

🤔

[misty wren]

outside of specifically summons or sentries automatically attacking stealth gets zeroed out when attacking iirc

[inner timber]

stealth is incredibly strong atm and having the option to just throw out a pocket stealth strike would be a ridiculous balance issue

[unique warren]

True

[steep pagoda]

SNEAK ATTACK

[inner timber]

unless fixed in 2.1, some oddball weapons don't consume stealth
murasama, omniblade, and dragon rage are some that i had noticed, as well as glorious end

[unique warren]

But even then, if you even have… 50-70 stealth, charging up a stealth strike then using adrenaline would have to be worth

[steep pagoda]

💥💥💥💥

yharon dies instant ly

[unique warren]

Even statigel gives 90 stealth so I feel like… Astral having 50-70 would not be outrageous

[inner timber]

im fine with all-class armors having stealth i just wouldnt want you to be able to generate stealth when using non rogue weapons

[shut ridge]

is it possible to downgrade a mod to a previous version within tmodloader

[inner timber]

cuz like then the stealth weapon is just a shit ton of damage for free, usually
if you had to wait to charge via not attacking sure it could be useful but more weapon dependant and probably would just be a loss in dps without rogue accessories

[unique warren]

I think it would be fine if it just didn’t generate when using weapons but didn’t drain either

[inner timber]

not within, no

[inner timber]

i feel that would be a bit strong, mostly considering that the one armor they gave this property is post exos

[unique warren]

I don’t see exactly what would make it strong

Sure you have pocket stealth but you still waited for the stealth at some point

[fathom girder]

I smell ror2 bandit

[unique warren]

Dude these devs gotta hop off the rain 😭

[fathom girder]

It even does the little hop when you break out of it just like ror2 bandit lol

I love that attention to detail

[steep pagoda]

tho this does fit very nicely into an all class setup where you charge stealth while using a non-rogue weapon and then expend it with a rogue weapon... assuming this could be balanced i think it would be quite fun actually

it's like storing damage and rogue weapons are how you cash it in

[still bluff]

i'm pretty certain it wouldn't be balanced

but what's the point of multicalss if it isn't insanely broken

[unique warren]

It is inherently more work

[steep pagoda]

to be fair it is SIGNIFICANTLY more effort than 99% of other classes are putting in

[unique warren]

They could have a system where you can stealth strike without the damage increase, just the stealth strike changes

[still bluff]

it would have to be specific sets that are weaker if you don't do it, not just all class sets in general

[steep pagoda]

wdym ?

[grim pecan]

no

[unique warren]

I do kinda wish omega blue leaned into multiclass more but since it’s kinda Stratus armor… no thanks actually

[mighty geyser]

add operator and i will sacrifice my soul for the eternal prosperity of calamity mod

[steep pagoda]

what is the rain 😭😭

[grim pecan]

sorry i only take bribes in cash

[mighty geyser]

risk of rain

[unique warren]

2

[steep pagoda]

OOH okay not rain world

risk of rain 2 is PEEAK OMG who wanna rain w me sometime

[mighty geyser]

an operator-themed summon weapon/acc would probably make me play summoner for the first time in my life

[unique warren]

Like, current omega blue armor is just good for monoclass unless ur summoner, fuck you ig

[grim pecan]

no if there was a second place behind risk of rain 2 in terms of dev fans it would be rain world

[steep pagoda]

ill be acrid and u caj be anyone else idc

[mighty geyser]

my beloved bug man

[unique warren]

Hmmm idk I thinks it would be terraria

[steep pagoda]

where u can like jump around on them ?? that would be peakkk

or target specific enemies for burst damage bullet spray

[grim pecan]

i'm adding the spear from rain world as a rogue weapon

it is now consumable and stacks to 1. it does 10 damage

[mighty geyser]

that would be weird
i was thinking more like cmd-swarm or amp core

[steep pagoda]

unfortunately this would only really work prehm

[steep pagoda]

i think nanobug is a cool debuff

they could add that some how

[unique warren]

Honestly I think all class should be more considered in mods cause it’s kind of hype moments and aura

[steep pagoda]

PLAY ROOTS

[mighty geyser]

truth nuke

[dusk bronze]

truth duke

[unique warren]

I don’t wanna…

That’s not all class that’s no class

[steep pagoda]

sleuth nuke

🕵️‍♀️💥

[unique warren]

It’s not 4-5 boxes I need to check it’s like… one box and that is having a weapon

[steep pagoda]

🤔

[unique warren]

All class means you must be actively using a weapon from each class

You gotta be doing allllll them class damage types

[steep pagoda]

perhaps

idk im no expert

im honestly more about making classes more distinct so we have like opposite perspectives 😭

[unique warren]

Nah actually I agree there

I do have very distinct visions in mind for each class, but that also doesn’t interfere with an “all class” approach, if anything it supplements it

[steep pagoda]

yas the BEST outcome is distinct playstyles that flow well when combined

[unique warren]

True…

[summer shore]

Like the new mage ones!!!! Have I mentioned how much I love apoctosis array and primordial ancient

I've definitely said it like 15 times but doncare they're so awesome I love em

[unique warren]

I actually have checked out 0 mage stuff this update except helium flash lmfao

[summer shore]

Missing out.....

[fathom girder]

can I second this because they fucking rule

[unique warren]

Yeah I just kinda can’t be bothered honestly

[fathom girder]

mage got hella cool weapons, though imo I lost interest after providence. Likely just a personal gripe though, due to me running the same accessories since calclone LOL

[unique warren]

I know I won’t be able to do a proper playthrough cause I’ll start lagging later on so idk why I would even try

[fathom girder]

your computer would explode processing the 5 million omicron projectiles

[unique warren]

Not like I can use it because of trackpadphobia

[blazing field]

misread that

[unique warren]

My apologies 😭

[summer shore]

Yeah when I was going through everything I was lowkey jumping in excitement because it's such an amazing idea that I'd never seen before

[inner timber]

for normal stealth strikes, you have to wait that time consecutively
with this, doing minor pauses if the boss is out of range is enough to get it pretty quickly depending on the boss and takes out part of the skill of knowing when to start charging stealth to optimally do damage, if you're playing a standard hybrid build

[unique warren]

Sure but wouldn’t you still have to do that

You either pause and wait for a while or do small pauses

[inner timber]

for a boss that is a lot more geared towards proving my point, empress of light after dashing is out of reach for like half a second
two dashes if you stand still (which is safe, as the bolts dont do damage for around that much time) is enough to get a stealth strike without losing any meaningful damage value

this isnt considering any weapon that inherently has downtime or having more than base stealth regen

or having like, dark matter sheath, which makes strikes take drastically less stealth

[unique warren]

I feel like I would opt for using my homing weapon there but also yeah I can see that

But also, if you’re using stealth accessories, you’re losing out on all class damage increases

With I suppose the exception of Eldritch Soul Artifact, for example

And even then that accessory is a bit iffy cause ranger velocity increase is… not great?

[grave geyser]

@sturdy thistle @dull heart nice boss gg (unoptimized)

(death mode)

[unique warren]

How long did it take

[grave geyser]

6:15

[unique warren]

Jesus that’s not even that long

Like that’s long but for literally no damage accessories and vampire knives?

Okay one damage accessory

[grave geyser]

glove doesnt boost vk damage it doesnt count

[unique warren]

Do they not rely on melee speed?

Oh wait no melee speed does velocityyyyyy ugh

[grave geyser]

bers glove doesnt give melee speed in cal

[unique warren]

Oh alright

[inner timber]

dark matter sheath halves the cost of a stealth strike for no downside i think that alone is WELL worth the singular accessory slot and holds a lot more value than any all class damage boost would

[unique warren]

And it’s only what, 50 stealth? Maybe less?

[inner timber]

it'd be like nucleogenesis giving 4 fucking slots for 1 accessory (making multiclassing with summoner much more potent) and is just so much stronger than any alternative if you plan on using damaging summons

[unique warren]

Tbf dark sun ring kinda has hella motion

[inner timber]

sheath also gives +10 stealth and an increase to rogue crit
and stealth gen isnt dependant on how much stealth you have

[unique warren]

12% damage??? 2 minion slots??? Defense or life regen???? I’m in heaven

[unique warren]

Sure but it changes damage amount by less

[steep pagoda]

what this mean

[unique warren]

Maybe I’m just not knowledgeable enough on stealth and it does kinda seem like a “THIS STEALTH DAMAGE IS SO GOOD I COULD DIE” or “THIS STEALTH DAMAGE IS SO BAD I COULD DIE” at any given moment

[cobalt wharf]

sheath is best for charging stealth during boss phases with high dr or invincibility or where you can’t consistently hit etc

most stealth strikes are not bad enough to just never use it whatsoever it’s still going to objectively deal more damage

[unique warren]

Wouldn’t that apply to both rogue and all class in this case? I don’t rlly see why it’s a bad thing

[cobalt wharf]

it’s not a bad thing at all

[grave geyser]

facetank :)

[cobalt wharf]

i haven’t read the conversation idk what the argument is i just saw somebody saying sheath is bad for spam

[unique warren]

That multiclass armors should have a small amount of stealth given to them

[cobalt wharf]

oh probably

[inner timber]

yeah but it's still like +110% (assuming it is an incredibly low use time weapon) rogue damage for basically free

[cobalt wharf]

stealth just needs to not be armor tied in general

[dusk bronze]

[unique warren]

what the fuck…

[inner timber]

im not arguing against that my argument is that using any weapon should still remove stealth, instead of letting you charge stealth in increments if not using rogue weapons

[unique warren]

Oh yeah I kinda got sidetracked away from that

[cobalt wharf]

this is also true

[unique warren]

I suppose you are right about that, and it would still be immensely worthwhile to charge up a stealth strike before going into rage/adrenaline anyways

I do think some forget that that is a really disorienting playstyle

[fathom girder]

Disorienting as in like. I have to wait for two seconds sometimes?

[unique warren]

No uh, all class

[inner timber]

it is not that disorienting but this is coming from someone who regularly whipstacked with 5 whips

[fathom girder]

Oh I see

[unique warren]

I mean yeah but isn’t that just using 5 whips in a row in order

[inner timber]

all class isnt very disorienting it is the equivalent of playing a regular class but using different class weapons and building differently

[fathom girder]

My mage setup consistently swapped between many weapons due to the utility each of them provided, thanks to chaos stone manipulation, so I think I understand a little

[inner timber]

moreso using 4 whips then a 5th for about 1 and a half seconds before looping over

sometimes throwing in a sentry reposition or an active summon usage if i had one

[dull heart]

I really need to go balance lifesteal

[unique warren]

I mean idk having to make use of five weapons is not easy

[inner timber]

functionally 4

[unique warren]

If you ignore any active summon weapons’ potential use

[fathom girder]

And there are a few summons that can be used actively

[unique warren]

Not to mention whips

[inner timber]

summoner does not need anything active and if it does it is a whip which is reset every 3 seconds, which is plenty of time . any other active summon isnt worth over using other shit if you're going all class
melee can just be true melee which is dependant on boss location and current actions, mage can be homingslop for faster phases or times where you need to be precise with movement, ranger can be high precision weapon for when they're not moving much but too far for true melee, rogue is loose and boss dependant, in this case id probably use rogue weapons that are a lot more situational or require specific movement patterns to use as burst damage

the issue with all class is that usually you just. dont need more than like 2 weapons a boss lol

[inner timber]

ig you could have rogue as homing slop and use one of mage's 50000 support weapons

[unique warren]

Ehhh you’re forgetting that mage has support weapons

Magnet sphere, for example

Oh wait you just said that

I’m the smartest person ever

Though you are missing debuff application

[hearty horizon]

Well, first impressions of the BoC rework- wow

[unique warren]

Oh, and also forgetting about piercing vs single target

[unique warren]

I actually have not seen it myself

[hearty horizon]

Okay holy shit that is cool

Not as chaotic like I really liked the second phase of the old one, but the entire fight is still super interesting and I love it

[inner timber]

this is boss dependant and also can be filled within these specifications (true melee usually pierces, for example, whereas high precision shots tend to either not or still do high damage per hit so the piercing doesnt matter)
debuff application falls under support and is usually done via flasks, summons, or mage weapons. there are very few rogue/melee/ranger weapons that you would use specifically for debuffing unless going for a raw debuff build

[unique warren]

I do see what you mean here but I think you’re underestimating how much is going on here

[inner timber]

i have done this before

[hearty horizon]

It's honestly great

[unique warren]

Look I’ll be real with you there is no way using 5 whips takes as much thought as this

[high scaffold]

BoC is realy good but also can pretty hard at times

[inner timber]

there is not that much going on nor is it very disorienting, you just need to keep track of the usecases of the weapons and debuffs, and maybe any specific weapon charge mechanics you might have but these tend to be terrible if not exclusively using them . m not saying whipstacking is comparable but it isnt disorienting in the slightest

[next vortex]

Havent played the new upd yet, is murasama rework out?

[hearty horizon]

I got to the last phase on my second go and then couldn't finish him off, first go I had both forgotten to apply buffs and forgot to put my Crimson Rod down

[unique warren]

Nope

[hearty horizon]

Unfortunately not

[next vortex]

FAHHHHH

[unique warren]

Okay I suppose disorienting is the wrong word, I think it’s smth to get used to if you’re accustomed to monoclass tho.

[hearty horizon]

Also I noticed this Xyk's Blessing specifies that it's blue, does that mean there are other colors? How do I get those?

Oh it transforms

[unique warren]

Yea

[high scaffold]

BoC was the first boss in playtrough that made me use potions

[spiral tree]

Hi wokes

[hearty horizon]

Yeah, King Slime, EoC, Desert Scourge, and Crabulon have all been fine (although Crabulon seemingly being more aggressiv definitely threw me for a loop) but I got destroyed against BoC without my buffs lol

[high scaffold]

I think they did add a new attack to crabulon

[unique warren]

It’s just a thing where it’s definitely a lot more mental work

[spiral tree]

I really like the BoC rework

[inner timber]

depends on the player still cuz using multiple weapons of one class is still pretty common and is functionally the same thing as multiclassing lol

[high scaffold]

Also, did king slime have 2 jewels in death mode before?

Red one which shoots and green one which rams

[unique warren]

Maybe 2 at absolute max

[inner timber]

like ok. my debuff ran out switch to the debuff weapon rq. boss is close so use the close ranged weapon. boss is far so use the long range weapon.

[unique warren]

Other than whipstacking which is kinda just no thoughts even if it’s a bit hard to do mechanically

[inner timber]

not to mention shit like aestheticus/lunic eye/eye of magnus

[high scaffold]

I have up to 4 weapons in my hotbar at once and I do use them all

[unique warren]

I have to ask what class this is

[inner timber]

or lifesteal weapons

[unique warren]

Tbf we can throw that into all class

[inner timber]

this is applicable to every class besides like, summoner now and stealth rogue

[inner timber]

my point is this isnt inherently unique to all class and it being other classes doesn't make it harder

[unique warren]

It does give it a higher skill floor is the thing

And I think having to actively think about using 5 weapons is kind of a lot

[inner timber]

how

[unique warren]

Well for melee only you can just use one weapon, that’s the skill floor

[inner timber]

the only thing that is actually different is armor and accessories

[unique warren]

For all class, you are required to use… at least 4 active weapons

[inner timber]

i meant that it's the same as using multiple monoclass weapons lol

[unique warren]

Yes, and that’s the floor

[manic fox]

is old lord claymore damage bugged or something

[unique warren]

The skill floor of all class is higher because that’s required, where it isn’t with mono class

[manic fox]

it started out hitting for 50, and then spiked when i right clicked

[inner timber]

more like at least 3

[granite sapphire]

W devs for making sniper scope not fucking useless

[inner timber]

considering mage has so many "lasts 2 fucking years" weapons

[unique warren]

Like rainbow gun and uhhhh

[inner timber]

nimbus staff lasts 5 minutes

[granite sapphire]

Rainbow gun stops after it registers too many iframes

[unique warren]

Sure but you kinda need to do more than that

Like I get it but good luck getting good use of that on any boss other than destroyer

Twins move too much, Skeletron prime maybe you could get a little? Cryogen good luck with that, I mean there’s a damage requirement here

You can’t just put down a crimson rod post-ML and say “yay I used mage!”

Though yeah if you find that nimbus staff helps, go off

I’d say the primary issue is that you’re comparing the skill ceiling of monoclass to the skill floor of all class when that’s not really how these should be compared

[inner timber]

rainbow gun has an upgrade
hell pearlwood bow is like a mini rainbow gun so ranger has one too
clinger staff lasts awhile, venom staff inflicts its debuff for 30 seconds, magnet sphere lasts like 15 seconds iirc, crim rod lasts awhile, aqua's scepter iirc is basically just a bigger nimbus rod (idr if its magic though) (just checked it's a sentey lol), the swarmer's iframes make it so you only really need to use it like once every 5 seconds to have constant uptime and that's assuming you actually need 100% uptime, nebulous cataclysm tends to last a fair bit of time, nd this is kinda just the shit i can remember

[unique warren]

So now you have a lot of weapons you can use simultaneously

[inner timber]

if you're doing a debuff build you just have to cycle weapons which just makes it whipstacking equivalent but easier because you dont have a 3 second time limit

[unique warren]

But you’re also not only debuff stacking