calamity-update-talk

[misty wren]

like i think this is something we're forgetting, exo blade sprites are just generally covered in drama

[arctic cliff]

that said Sawblades do look cool and I can easily see that being updated into an absolutely baller sprite

[unique warren]

They look good, but not MM

But yeah they are visually appealing

[rich ginkgo]

it’s because it’s just murasama 2

noo the super iconic cal weapon is being changed for the better

i cant fucking take it

it hurts

[hard hearth]

from my time in here its really just the latest sprite

as in, latest in the public version

[deft lily]

i mean
what else is new lol

[unique warren]

I think the only arguably bad change that happened to Murasama was getting rid of the name Easter egg

[arctic cliff]

Thats
because the Mura tier-shift was. Weird.

[unique warren]

Like I get it but why get rid of that

[misty wren]

no that was a good change it was a very very good change

[hard hearth]

not whatever new sprite is / was being cooked

[unique warren]

It’s a fun Easter egg

[arctic cliff]

oh fudge

hang on

let me explain

[lapis oak]

yeah and people don't think that way, we know you're upset with it but stop keep talking about it already like Christ

[unique warren]

Okay fine

[rich ginkgo]

no it’s just that with a weapon like that you really arent gonna be able to make everyone happy no matter how much better you make it

it sucks but it is what it is

[arctic cliff]

its technically a fun easter egg, but its gamebreaking because you're allowed to access an ENDGAME MELEE WEAPON at anytime, just because your name is Jetstream Sam

[unique warren]

Jeez

[hard hearth]

its not that complicated

[arctic cliff]

so it got nuked

[lapis oak]

this conversation has been dragging for so long for absolutely 0 gains

[hard hearth]

also yeah getting rid of it was a positive change

sorry to everyone that abused it

🫡

[deft lily]

billions must learn to get along

[pulsar cobalt]

oh no if only there was a way to get late stage items early
the humble dragonlens/cheat sheet/heros mod:

[deft lily]

hold hands and frolic through the flowers

[unique warren]

I guessss

[hard hearth]

the easter egg was more okay back when the weapon was just

[deft lily]

😇

[hard hearth]

arkhalis 2

[arctic cliff]

anyhow bob had it right still

[unique warren]

The issue is that it gets rid of fun and whimsy

[hard hearth]

after the rework its just as crazy as the old legendary weapons / halibut cannon

[pulsar cobalt]

its still kinda like an arkhalis 2 if you think about it

[deft lily]

i feel like this can be applied to most removed content from cal

tbh

[hollow harness]

its pretty much still arkhalis,

[hard hearth]

nah

[grim pecan]

i personally vouched for killing angler easter egg because i hate fun and whimsy

[pulsar cobalt]

fire

[hard hearth]

arkhalis is unique in that it has quite literally shit tier range

[empty yarrow]

Arkhalis but like

Big

[rich ginkgo]

lol but you can call anything fun and whimsy

[hollow harness]

oh right because the angler still has like the golden fishing rod drop right

[hard hearth]

if it has bigger range then it cant rly be called arkhalis anymore

[pulsar cobalt]

for now

[deft lily]

i personally think that the new BoC rework should be removed because i hate fun and whimsy

[unique warren]

I mean yeah but it was fun and whimsy imo

[deft lily]

sorry Big E. do better.

[empty yarrow]

No fun and whimsy

Billions must do fishing quests

[arctic cliff]

i think the issue is that Calamity is no longer a fun project done by one doofus goofing around with his own take on Terraria, just doing stuff on the fly.

Calamity is now a serious game project, taken seriously by multiple people who take game design seriously and yea

[pulsar cobalt]

i think theres better ways to make fun and whimsy than just "ok u get a late stage weapon now"

[unique warren]

You can call anything green but that doesn’t mean grass isn’t

[vivid hemlock]

fun and whimsy that also broke game balance because it takes like no effort at all

[hollow harness]

More people should fish I think

[arctic cliff]

Terraria modding has changed

standards have changed

[deft lily]

ok linux penguin

[hard hearth]

heeeeell naw

fuck fishing...

[grim pecan]

it is extremely serious if you never look at gfb

[rich ginkgo]

true

[unique warren]

I just wish they’d reintroduce the Easter egg in a more reasonable way

[hard hearth]

if its not stardew valley then i dont wanna fish

[lapis oak]

fuck fishing

[hollow harness]

dude its like the easiest thing ever

[unique warren]

It’s cool :)

[deft lily]

wait is this argument over a fucking removed easter egg

[hard hearth]

yes

it is easy

[grim pecan]

i don't even know how many gfb things will be in brainstorm

[rich ginkgo]

fishing involves patience and i dont have any of that so fuck fishing

[hollow harness]

you guys have not adapted

[empty yarrow]

If fishing sucks, why even need a Golden Fishing Rod?

[hard hearth]

thats why its poo

[deft lily]

were doomed

[hard hearth]

its so boring

[unique warren]

For context I do not care that much about this

[deft lily]

then why continue it?

[arctic cliff]

Jetstream Sam voiceline mocking you for trying to still use Murasama pre-ID unlock via his name

[unique warren]

I’m just saying it’s a bit of a shame

[deft lily]

is my question

[unique warren]

This conversation has gone on for three minutes

I’m not rly stretching it out

[lapis oak]

did you catch up with all the stuff at all

[arctic cliff]

where were we

[deft lily]

i see

[unique warren]

I just like talking to people cause it’s fun!

[arctic cliff]

ah. NEW MIRACLE MATTER AAAAAAAAAAAA

[deft lily]

i agree

[unique warren]

So why not talk abt smth I moderately care about

[hard hearth]

i think we should discuss about how old ark of the cosmos is finally returning after a long hiatus

[misty wren]

i love talking to people because being alone with my thoughts is Bad

[hollow harness]

to all of you,

[empty yarrow]

Well good news, Terraria is now Stardew Valley

[hard hearth]

😇

[empty yarrow]

No more bosses

[arctic cliff]

.

[misty wren]

can we kill kaizo

[hollow harness]

anyways, The night before 1.4.5

[empty yarrow]

You're gonna farm wheat

AND YOU'RE GONNA LIKE IT

[hollow harness]

go ahead find my house I'll pull up

[rich ginkgo]

do you think brainstorm will stuff in last minute npc portraits

please.

[hard hearth]

the portraits are so fkin uncanny man

like

[misty wren]

no

that

[hard hearth]

☹️

[misty wren]

needs 1.4.5

[rich ginkgo]

i agree but they’re so funny

[buoyant pulsar]

i dont like them

[rich ginkgo]

oh right

[steep pagoda]

why is he UGLHY :SOB:

[deft lily]

idrc for the NPC portraits

[hard hearth]

im just hoping

[deft lily]

nice addition but eh

[steep pagoda]

WHATD THEY DO

[hard hearth]

that a mod to remove the portraits

[deft lily]

i care more abt the new themes being added

[steep pagoda]

TO TWINKERER

[rich ginkgo]

this

[hard hearth]

is done like week 1 after tmod updates to 1.4.5

[deft lily]

cultist and prime 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[pulsar cobalt]

we should kill ein i think

[steep pagoda]

im distraught

[misty wren]

sidenote goblin tinkerer is wearing a tie???? i thought he had a fucking lab coat with a red t shirt on underneath

[hard hearth]

try me

[hollow harness]

1 week after 1.4 tmod and someone made remove npc happiness mod

[empty yarrow]

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FUN AND WHIMSY PEOPLE?

[lapis oak]

I like the portraits idea I just think them faces should be more cartoony

[unique warren]

It looks cool! I was a bit weirded out by the way it came about (it’s like a fusion of three different weapons) but I love it now

[lapis oak]

and not like Stardew style

[hard hearth]

goated mod yea

[empty yarrow]

TERRARIA IS BEING LE WHIMSY AND THE FUN

[pulsar cobalt]

portraits are peak and exactly wat we needed for players to feel more connected to npcs

[hard hearth]

:D

[vital blaze]

sorry i havent been able to find if a release date has been announced for 2.1

[steep pagoda]

why does the goblin tinkerer look like a white collar worker 😭

[deft lily]

never

cancelled

[rich ginkgo]

why would i ever wanna feel more connected to the angler

[steep pagoda]

he looks like my manager

i hate it

[misty wren]

his collar is white

[vital blaze]

[steep pagoda]

yeah but they made him look like a doofus

whyy

[unique warren]

Anyways this chat has been a bit too active for a bit too long and I’m getting overwhelmed a bit so goodbye y’all

[pulsar cobalt]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[steep pagoda]

ok bye!

[hard hearth]

you mean reworked aotc?

[arctic cliff]

fair enough

[rich ginkgo]

old man yells at cloud

[empty yarrow]

One step closer to official Terraria Dating Sim

[deft lily]

they dont have a set release date for BS but they are planning for feb

[hard hearth]

i dont rly like it myself

[arctic cliff]

@misty wren you're too harsh ngl

[unique warren]

I mean new Orderbringer

[arctic cliff]

you gotta tone it down bud

[hard hearth]

o

[vital blaze]

grrr

[hard hearth]

hows it a fusion of 3 weapons

[steep pagoda]

reworked aotc is good

[unique warren]

Fusion of Iri, Orderbringer, and old AotC

[vital blaze]

i want to start a playthrough for new boulder but i want calamity too

[hard hearth]

i have no idea what iri means

[steep pagoda]

old aotc was cool but the new one is way better

[versed heart]

I think you should hope for an option to toggle it, and then a mod to remove it if that doesn't exist

[steep pagoda]

iridescent excalibur

[hollow harness]

iriscident excalibur

[unique warren]

Anyways byeee

[hard hearth]

new aotc sucks RAAAHHHH

[deft lily]

bye

[hollow harness]

avalon post-game weapon

[hard hearth]

oh i see

[lapis oak]

alright Ein old man you can go to bed now

[hard hearth]

im right

[lapis oak]

unc is still fighting after 50 years

[hard hearth]

:)

[steep pagoda]

im a liitle weirded by the whole scissor theme?? idk whats up with that but the weapon itself is very cool

[unique warren]

Well you can have the old one back so all good right

[hard hearth]

yea

[unique warren]

Anyways good bye for real this time

[lapis oak]

because non-traditional weapons are cool and awesome

[hollow harness]

still fighting for old aotc biome specific effects

[hard hearth]

i just hope its still at the same tier placement

[steep pagoda]

ok i just think giant scissors is a weird inclusion

[empty yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/colress-i-disagree-pokemon-gif-19071080

[lapis oak]

it's Auric yes

[steep pagoda]

it feels cartoony

[arctic cliff]

you must be why orderbringer is now like that

[steep pagoda]

in my opinion

[empty yarrow]

NO MY GIFS

[arctic cliff]

🫵

[empty yarrow]

THEY TOOK THEM

[hard hearth]

new and weird does not automatically make it cool

[lapis oak]

unc is still fighting after 60 years

[hard hearth]

i am merely one person of many that liked old aotc

😊

[unique warren]

RAGGHH STOP MAKING ME REACT TO THINGS ahem it’s a kill la kill reference

[steep pagoda]

new orderbringer is also WAYYY better than old aotc lets remember how lackluster the vfx on old aotc actually were 😭 im very happy with new orderbringer

[hollow harness]

old aotc was so silly

[hard hearth]

the vfx were okay for the time it existed tbh

[steep pagoda]

for the time yea probably

[hard hearth]

like yea compared to today it was very lacking

[steep pagoda]

orderbringer is just a glowup for old aotc

its the best of both worlds

[hollow harness]

it had stat/buff bonuses depending on your current biome you were using it

[steep pagoda]

we now have both

[hollow harness]

I'm pretty sure if you were in the forest using aotc you would get dryad's blessing

[arctic cliff]

Fun fact: Red wanted to add a Scissor weapon akin to Kill La Kill's scissor weapons
we know this because the Stylish Scissors, a vanilla sword, is internally titled StylistKilLaKillScissorsIWish

[hard hearth]

i just like my funny turn off brain homing weapon for scal tier

[steep pagoda]

seems like new orderbringer is exactly that tbh

[arctic cliff]

the Arks of the Elements and Cosmos were designed after Kill La Kill's scissor swords

[hard hearth]

itll depend

[arctic cliff]

soyah

[hard hearth]

half the reason i liked aotc was because of the amount of hits per second it did

[steep pagoda]

never seen that show 😭

[hard hearth]

hitting the metal sound effect of eyeball scal

[steep pagoda]

ok i agree that was fun

[grim pecan]

i also enjoyed getting my ears ruptred by 5k metal hit sounds playing at once

[hard hearth]

(objectively the best enemy hitsound)

[steep pagoda]

you have a point

[lapis oak]

metal sound on everything was so fucking funny

[steep pagoda]

old oracle was best for that

[pulsar cobalt]

deus metal hit sound

[steep pagoda]

it SHREDDED her

[gloomy grove]

metal sound 🗣️ 🔥

[hollow harness]

that feel when cckckckckckckckkckckckc

[gloomy grove]

i love not hearing anything

[hard hearth]

piercing ammo on destroyer/deus/dog

[steep pagoda]

it sounded like u were blending a bunch of screws

[hard hearth]

thaaaats the shit

[steep pagoda]

or old photo left click

[hard hearth]

thas the good stuff

YES

photoviscerator was once upon a time my fav weapon

exactly bc of that

[steep pagoda]

old left click was a piss beam

[hard hearth]

now its just a shadow of its former self

,..,.,,.,.,..,

[steep pagoda]

idek what it does anymore

😭

[hard hearth]

i think its just

[arctic cliff]

its just a flamethrower man

[hard hearth]

last prism

except ranged damage

[arctic cliff]

man doesnt like awesome laser beams

[steep pagoda]

old heavenly gale was also funny

[hard hearth]

🥀

[steep pagoda]

it was definitely old but i think new heavenly gale is just less fun

honestly

[hard hearth]

i do like a flamethrower more than last prism yes

if i wanted a laser id use last prism

or yermes christal i guess

[steep pagoda]

yharim crustal

[unique warren]

Okay I’m coming back cause chat is slow yippee yay

[steep pagoda]

i dont like tjhe charge up mechanic

u dont even pull it back

[unique warren]

It’s like clockwork now but less visually fun idk

[steep pagoda]

clockwork is pretty cool

[empty yarrow]

crustal

[steep pagoda]

yas

[lapis oak]

the only thing I don't like about current Gale is the lightning

"Exo-lightning" duuude it's just Stormfront Razor but green

[steep pagoda]

yea the lightning looks dated

the green snakes descend from above

how frightful...

[empty yarrow]

you look dated

[unique warren]

The weather outside is frightful…

[empty yarrow]

lmao gottem

[steep pagoda]

waht the fuck

KILLS YOU

with mind

[lapis oak]

I still can't believe Exoblade's Projectiles still look so peak after all these years

[hard hearth]

what do they look like

explain it to me without an image or gif

or video

[lapis oak]

Ein

[steep pagoda]

exoblade prpjectile used to look like poop 😭

[hard hearth]

😊

[gloomy grove]

the projectile is so bright i forgot that its sprited

[wide wadi]

[empty yarrow]

Sword but dark and manacing

[hard hearth]

das me

[steep pagoda]

exoblade projectile used to be a rectangle

just a green rectangle

[empty yarrow]

Covered in rainbow effects so its not that actually

[gloomy grove]

you barely notice it ngl

[hard hearth]

dark... but exoblade is bright

[arctic cliff]

No.

[hard hearth]

:(

[lapis oak]

I love it when they have nothing to home, they transform into orbs ready to launch that's so fucking awesome

[empty yarrow]

Exobeam (Dark)

[hard hearth]

you will now be banned for disobeying my request

[steep pagoda]

goodbye

[arctic cliff]

You need not the instruction of other to judge the sprite, you can merely just GAZE into it.

SSO banned

[lapis oak]

I wasn't talking about the sprite but ok

[steep pagoda]

🐘

[empty yarrow]

If you insist

[hard hearth]

that doesnt have any eyes to gaze

fake news

[empty yarrow]

I gazed into the sprite and its shaped like a dragon

[hard hearth]

kill it immediately

[lapis oak]

dude how old is this dragon

[steep pagoda]

no its a rock

[arctic cliff]

im so sad this isnt that great of a mount

[lapis oak]

never used it, never crafted it like ever

[arctic cliff]

goddammit its A DRAGON MOUNT

[steep pagoda]

i coded it 20 years ago

still havent been credited

how scandalous..

[empty yarrow]

2019 - 2026 =

[hard hearth]

void vortex...

hate it

[lapis oak]

that was 2016 years ago...

[steep pagoda]

wow

[empty yarrow]

Wrong that was -70 eons after

[hard hearth]

my goat voltaic climax shouldve remained on scal tier, not that... cheap immitation!!

[steep pagoda]

voltaic climax is dudu

[hard hearth]

i Will hurt u

[steep pagoda]

nope

[amber egret]

are we still on the MM v. Elemental discussion or did we move on

[hard hearth]

[unique warren]

We moved on

[steep pagoda]

dodges

[amber egret]

Darn.

[steep pagoda]

🙂‍↕️

[hard hearth]

i have hawkeye

[unique warren]

Ngl I miss old Void Vortex

[hard hearth]

gg

[unique warren]

But only kinda

[empty yarrow]

Never disrespect my goat again ya hear

[hard hearth]

voltaic :)

[unique warren]

It was hype moments and aura tbh

[empty yarrow]

(I never used it, I'm not mage lol)

[steep pagoda]

face my orbs

[hard hearth]

im a ranger main and even i loved using voltaic

its peakkkkkkkk

[steep pagoda]

event horizon

is cooler

[hard hearth]

who

[steep pagoda]

for the tier

[arctic cliff]

not anymore we're now babbling with Ein

[empty yarrow]

Face my vortexieis

[arctic cliff]

shame

[hard hearth]

exactly, never heard of it so it doesnt exist

[unique warren]

Old Void Vortex was so cool… also screen clutter but shhh

[versed heart]

Voltaic Peak

[amber egret]

the Void Vortex line is just "heres More Lightning" and i think thats funny

[steep pagoda]

not how it works big guy

[hard hearth]

well

it is now

[unique warren]

And it somehow never used storm weaver shells

[mortal sinew]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Event_Horizon

[hard hearth]

wikibot outside of its channel

[empty yarrow]

You just made that page on the spot

[hard hearth]

sounds like i need to nuke its functionality again

[empty yarrow]

That's the fandom wiki, that ain't real

[steep pagoda]

😊

not being able to send wiki links is crazy

how else am i supposed to spread the gosepl

event horizon gospel

[empty yarrow]

There is no Event Horizon, there is no MM resprite, and the is no 4th of July

[hard hearth]

you just typed poo gospel

why is that

[unique warren]

What happened to the Sirius line anyways

I heard it’s kinda dogshit now

[steep pagoda]

why are you named poo

so strange

[arctic cliff]

its getting good next update

thats all

[unique warren]

Dope

[hard hearth]

projection

[steep pagoda]

erm proof?

[hard hearth]

my eyes

[steep pagoda]

get glasses buddy

[empty yarrow]

As certified Auric user, it is very goated now

[hard hearth]

i use glasses

[empty yarrow]

There shall be no further elaboration

[steep pagoda]

oh

blind!!

[hard hearth]

i can see decently well

:)

[steep pagoda]

then why glasses

[unique warren]

The Temporal Umbrella line is actually so dope ngl

[steep pagoda]

i have glasses for nearsightedness

[hard hearth]

decently doesnt mean perfectly

[steep pagoda]

i cant see things if theyre like

[empty yarrow]

Get glasses²

[steep pagoda]

10-15 feet away

[hard hearth]

yeah

[unique warren]

You can get the Sun Spirit Staff PRE BOSS and Temporal Umbrella is postgame 😭

[hard hearth]

and you arent gonna have your pc or phone screens that far away

[unique warren]

Temporal Umbrella line only run when

[steep pagoda]

well ya but i need to see when im like

driving

😭

[hard hearth]

so even w/o glasses i can see that u were projecting 😁

hehe

[steep pagoda]

this is foul play

youre breaking rule 1

banned

[wide nova]

banning the banner

[steep pagoda]

yeds

[hard hearth]

lemme see the rule 1 rq

[steep pagoda]

its my power'

[hard hearth]

mhm mhm yep mhm right

[wide nova]

snawg dont even know their own rule 😂 😂

[hard hearth]

i have determined to give myself permission this time to break rule 1

😊

[steep pagoda]

corruption.

[wide nova]

is this like AAA where u get a 1 time a year pass for free

if ur a gold member aka moderator

[hard hearth]

AAA still exists?

[wide nova]

platinum member admins get 3

yea i use it

[hard hearth]

zang

i shee

[wide nova]

its awesome i get this shiny gold card in the mail

[unique warren]

What is AAA

[wide nova]

2 years ago it was silver

[wide nova]

company that will tow ur car if u crash it

most surface level explanation

[empty yarrow]

battery

[wide nova]

that too

[unique warren]

I see

[steep pagoda]

do i get a celeri level membership

[hard hearth]

video game classification

[grim pecan]

event horizon is cool sure hope nothing horrible happened to it

[wide nova]

truer

[steep pagoda]

what...

what did you do .

[hard hearth]

weapon that didnt exist got deleted

[steep pagoda]

i will destroy you

[hard hearth]

[steep pagoda]

i will rain blows dwon upon you

[grim pecan]

it's dead i killed it forever (it got retiered and i slightly changed how it works)

[steep pagoda]

you will be SMOTE

oh ok

[hard hearth]

alr catch these hands

[steep pagoda]

thats fine ....

[unique warren]

Dwon

[hard hearth]

[steep pagoda]

why retier though it was like perfect for yhon

[unique warren]

Because sunny is EVIL

[steep pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/naoya-zenin-choso-fight-aura-farm-not-in-the-manga-gif-15215466617984430840

[hard hearth]

hhnnnnnngngngnnngngnn

[grim pecan]

essentially what i changed was that the stars only begin to home after they spread out, instead of being able to home immediatly

[hard hearth]

resisting... the urge....

[steep pagoda]

do it

[hard hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-resisting-urge-mario-judah-discord-gif-23317319

[unique warren]

What tier is it now

[grim pecan]

post-CV
it works a lot better now that all the bosses you fight with it are actually on screen

[unique warren]

🤔

A bit soon after nuclear fury but alr

[steep pagoda]

i just think it was cool because it rewarded a specific playstyle against yharon very heavily

[grim pecan]

weapons that reward a more aggressive playstyle are cool indeed

weapons that are only usable by like 5 people is taking it too far

[unique warren]

What about weapons that reward a nohit play style

[steep pagoda]

dratiliornus

[grim pecan]

i'm killing drat forever

[steep pagoda]

good

[arctic cliff]

AHAAH I FIGURED IT OUT

[hard hearth]

dratal is kinda goated

best weapon ever

no bias

😊

[grim pecan]

which is ironic because flesh totem is kind of nohit adjacent now

[unique warren]

Can y’all move a post-DoG bow to post-Yharon please thanks

[steep pagoda]

mmok, whats done is done

[lapis oak]

vas?...

[unique warren]

Drata is cool but post-DoG has like four bows

[steep pagoda]

ill trust its still peak

[unique warren]

Just make Ultima post-Yharon

[steep pagoda]

yas true i dont think there are any other than drat

[grim pecan]

i think the change i made it it works now, you get to appreciate the pretty star pattern before they home

[steep pagoda]

which doesnt even count

[steep pagoda]

true true

[unique warren]

I do actually think Ultima would work best here

[arctic cliff]

NEW miracle matter set design DOENST WORK

BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE AN ENDGAME RAINBOW SET! FROM THORIUM

ITS CALLED Terrarium

[unique warren]

It kinda just has auric-tier vibes

[lapis oak]

u talking Flesh Totem?

[grim pecan]

no event horizon

[steep pagoda]

event horizon

[unique warren]

Ultima for auric tier 2026

[steep pagoda]

would it be too broken for the stars to have inf pierce before they started to home

[grim pecan]

already done

[lapis oak]

wow Event Horizon getting changed?

[steep pagoda]

oh yay

[lapis oak]

in BS?

[hard hearth]

bullshit

[grim pecan]

it's not a rework, i just changed a few numbers

[steep pagoda]

that counts

if thje numbers change how it works

[grim pecan]

you guys won't believe the GALAXY SMASHER REWORK COMING IN BRAINSTORM (buffed damage by 1)

[steep pagoda]

actualy??

😭

[grim pecan]

no it just got reworked lmao

[steep pagoda]

oh

[lapis oak]

I think number changes can make something be different enough

[unique warren]

I really wanna do bow only tbh but I don’t wanna use drata

[steep pagoda]

ya like

if the way it works

is redone

its a re work

:pump

kin

[grim pecan]

don't worry flesh totem is homing projectile nohitter slop it'll be great

[steep pagoda]

mmm i love slopp

yaayy

[unique warren]

Like, Drata too silly goofy me want other bows in auric tier

[steep pagoda]

drata stinks

it looks like the poopoo and it has a crappy mechanic

[lean cave]

the weapon of all time

[steep pagoda]

😭

respectfully

i dont like it

[unique warren]

Ultima auric tier please please please please

[grim pecan]

you

[lean cave]

me!

[lapis oak]

Drata's existence is a disgrace to my eyes

[lean cave]

also hiiii welcome back

[unique warren]

Damn okay

[lean cave]

!!!

[lyric trellis]

All this when Alluvion needs to be Auric tier too

[steep pagoda]

drata is a FAILURE

[lean cave]

and phangasm

[steep pagoda]

um,

what does alluvion do

[unique warren]

Hmmm maybe? Ultima gives auric vibes more tho

[steep pagoda]

[hard hearth]

i was gonna ask if heavenly gale was no longer a bow

[lean cave]

move all post dog bows to auric is clearly the answer

[grim pecan]

i

[unique warren]

😭 😭 😭

[hard hearth]

but after a quick trip to the wiki

[steep pagoda]

its a sword now

[grim pecan]

i'm so happy this is getting renamed in brainstorm

[hard hearth]

i just

☹️

[steep pagoda]

i think phangasm is fine where it is

[grim pecan]

i never have to hear phangasm again

[steep pagoda]

to whatt

phangasm is so

[lean cave]

yeah, i remembered it was getting renamed but i couldn't remember the exact name

[vivid hemlock]

riftburst

[steep pagoda]

awful

[unique warren]

Me when heavenly gale is NOT auric tier

[lapis oak]

Riftburst

[steep pagoda]

oh

[lean cave]

riftburst... i see....

[steep pagoda]

does it do anything new

[grim pecan]

no, just a rename since everybody hated phangasm

[lapis oak]

Sunny u said Event Horizon is now post-CV?

[unique warren]

Phangasm is a pretty shit name tbf

[empty yarrow]

Heavenly Gale should be Pre-Hardmode

[lyric trellis]

Ultima - Bow counerpart to Starmada (which is Auric next update)
Alluvion - literally one tier after getting Monsoon

There’s arguments for both but yeah

[steep pagoda]

i wouldve stuck with the ghost naming scheme

probably

riftburst sounds more dog themed

[unique warren]

Could be ground for monsoon retier downwards but you make a very good point

[empty yarrow]

Yeh, Post-CV

[steep pagoda]

just remove them

im being deadahh

[lapis oak]

the atrocious Void Vortex line:

[lyric trellis]

There were plans to make Monsoon a Mauler drop but obviously that’s very down the line

[unique warren]

I see

[grim pecan]

forgot something

[lapis oak]

WTF

LEAK

[unique warren]

I wouldn’t mind it being a post-prov thing ngl…

[empty yarrow]

We are KILLING the Dark Sun

[steep pagoda]

that was leekious

[unique warren]

Monsoon doesn’t rlly have the same vibes as other post-polter stuff

[lyric trellis]

Yes that one sucks too

[empty yarrow]

What was it

I missed le epic leek

[steep pagoda]

idk

[unique warren]

Sorry what is happening

[steep pagoda]

it was up for 2s

[grim pecan]

god i can't post shit anymore can i. anyway here's the recipe

[steep pagoda]

we;re killing you

[lapis oak]

don't worry Void Vortex will be retiered to pre-Yharim in 10 years that will fix it

[steep pagoda]

😄

[lyric trellis]

Post-PW

[unique warren]

Ooh can I choose the method

[steep pagoda]

very cool

[lapis oak]

scary future

[steep pagoda]

chances of it being goof on dog

i mean

good

[fathom girder]

goof ahh weapon for goof ahh dog

[steep pagoda]

no. 1 million rats

[grim pecan]

double it, DoG moves too much. OD probably gets shredded due to rest phases though

doubt, i can't type wtf

[unique warren]

But I wanted to be drawn and quartered…

[steep pagoda]

bro wants to be drawn

[lyric trellis]

90% chance it’d be worse than Nuclear Fury on DoG

[steep pagoda]

i suck at drawing

so no

[grim pecan]

95%

[steep pagoda]

chances of it being goof on yharon

i mean

good

[grim pecan]

unless MPG figures out more stupid ram dash strats

[unique warren]

Then maybe that is indicative of a change that perhaps needs to be made

[lyric trellis]

5% margin of error

[unique warren]

Question mark

?

[grim pecan]

not really, just a weapon being designed for a specific kind of boss and not doing as well outside of that

[unique warren]

Lame,..

[grim pecan]

it'll shred polter and signus, and be a great event clearer for acid rain t3

[lyric trellis]

MPG is gonna prove that it’s still Yharon viable

[grim pecan]

i'm already anticipating it

[steep pagoda]

who

[grim pecan]

the only other person in this community who knows how to use event horizon

[lapis oak]

some weapons just aren't designed for specific bosses and it's perfectly fine if they're not on-tiers

[dusk bronze]

wait are you the sunny that left like a month ago
idk anymore

[steep pagoda]

its not that hard

[lyric trellis]

This is her doppelgänger

[unique warren]

My goat is being destroyed…

[steep pagoda]

wow cool

[grim pecan]

yes, i took a break

[dusk bronze]

oh
well welcome back

[steep pagoda]

its a different sunny

i know because

[hidden ridge]

Sunny 2

[steep pagoda]

i just know these things

something isnt quite right .

[unique warren]

Uhhh what is there to talk about..

[dusk bronze]

event horizon rework

[unique warren]

We all know only post-ML is important…

[lapis oak]

"rework"

the agenda is already pushing

[steep pagoda]

i mean id say its a rework

it works differently

soo

[vivid hemlock]

just realized these have the same adjective lmao

[lyric trellis]

Something something “Deepsea staff rework”

[steep pagoda]

for all intensive purpose

i know thats not the saying

[unique warren]

That’s not the saying

[steep pagoda]

fuck u

[unique warren]

It’s for all intents and purposes

[grim pecan]

bullet filled shotgun was a rework if we're going by that definition

[lean cave]

omg...

[lyric trellis]

See if you had every weapon in the game memorized you would’ve realized this sooner

[dense sundial]

ayy, sunny

[dusk bronze]

i was reading chat too fast and thought it was an actual rework

[dense sundial]

hello again

[steep pagoda]

celeri says its a rework so

[grim pecan]

hi lynel i had no idea who you were for a sec

[unique warren]

You…

[dense sundial]

also hi shush

[unique warren]

Hello

[dense sundial]

I'm Sir Nautilus! Accept my duel...

[steep pagoda]

the horrible sir nautilus

[grim pecan]

i don't like seafood sorry.

[dense sundial]

nautie is NOT horrible you TAKE THAT BACK

[steep pagoda]

the loathsome sir nautilus

like its the dung eater

[vivid hemlock]

💔

[steep pagoda]

are you the dung eater, sir nautilus .

[dense sundial]

no

[steep pagoda]

oh

shame

[empty yarrow]

Sir Nautilus? More like Sir… Losertilus

[steep pagoda]

ok

thats a bit too far

lets not be mean .

unless ur me then you can do whatever

[empty yarrow]

Yeah, really beating a dead horse…man

[unique warren]

No, let’s be EVIL

[steep pagoda]

meow

[dense sundial]

I think you're nuts.

[steep pagoda]

^ declaration of evil ness

seafood is good except i dont like shellfish

[lyric trellis]

It’s okay this is a good thing

[steep pagoda]

shellfish is yuck!

[dense sundial]

you do know how many shellfish there are, right

[steep pagoda]

yes and i dont like any of them

[dense sundial]

and you do know that includes crab

[steep pagoda]

no it doesnt

shellfish is a different thing

[dense sundial]

what is it then

[dusk bronze]

crustacean

[steep pagoda]

stuff like clams

and oysters

[fathom girder]

it's a CRAB

[steep pagoda]

and mussels

[fathom girder]

It's not a CLAM

[dense sundial]

those are bivalves bro

[steep pagoda]

crab is crustacean

its different

[fathom girder]

woah guys 1.4.5 port is out already can you believe it

[steep pagoda]

cullinarily shellfish are those guys

crabs and lobsters and shrimp are crustaceans

[empty yarrow]

I have terrible news

[steep pagoda]

this is wrong

[empty yarrow]

Its on the internet, its true

[grim pecan]

do you just have this image or

[obtuse hawk]

what the scallop!!!

[lyric trellis]

Does this mean SSO is out

[steep pagoda]

ok well i dont like shellfish excluding crustaceans then

[dense sundial]

Shellfish, in colloquial and fisheries usage, are exoskeleton-bearing aquatic invertebrates used as food, including various species of molluscs, crustaceans, and echinoderms.

[steep pagoda]

oh

[dense sundial]

so you don't like bivalves

case closed

[steep pagoda]

nobody calls them bivalves

i dont like molluscs i guess

but ueah

those ones

[dusk bronze]

calamity update talk

[empty yarrow]

I always have a shellfish type chart for shellfish discussion

[steep pagoda]

shellfish excluding crustaceans

[dusk bronze]

how does this relate to sso

[wide nova]

fish

[lyric trellis]

Pretty easily

[steep pagoda]

im fine with crustaceans like crab and lobster

and shimp

[dense sundial]

marine animals !

[steep pagoda]

loove shimp

[grim pecan]

if we actually want to talk about something cal, i think the next big order for mage is going through and greatly increasing the mana consumption on a lot of weapons, while rebalancing to compensate

[dusk bronze]

hm

[dense sundial]

order like for 2.1 or later

[steep pagoda]

the dillema of how to make mana not suck poop

[dusk bronze]

probably good for later game yeag

[steep pagoda]

just rework it atp bluh

[dusk bronze]

chaos stone 💚

[steep pagoda]

its such a useless resource

[lyric trellis]

It’s funny how the exact opposite thing has been happening for years

[steep pagoda]

it doesnt interact with anything

[dense sundial]

i think mana is terrible because natural mana regen is terrible

[grim pecan]

the new mage accessories are cool but you don't get to interact with them as much as you normally would, due to cal weapons (and vanilla honestly) taking so little mana to use

[dense sundial]

you genuinely require a potion to make it work without the other potion that removes it

[empty yarrow]

Mana Flower gives Mana Regen instead of liver failure from chucking potions

[dusk bronze]

mana consumption is really annoying preboss then you progress slightly and can ignore it for the rest of the game

[lyric trellis]

Oh god when I was playing 1.3 the mana regen was an affront to gameplay

[grim pecan]

i don't think mana needs a rework, it just needs to be something you actually think about. cost reduction becoming a stat you actually care about

[rich ginkgo]

mana is kinda boring in general

[obtuse hawk]

odious mana regen

[steep pagoda]

i think mana is terrible because it doesnt actually change the combat whatsoever, its NEVER a consideration for the player either before or during any sort of fight
theres two playstyles that are either "use mana flower" or "dont," mana is never something that can be used to the players advantage

it is always just a restriction to be circumvented

because its annoying as shit

for 99% of people

[dusk bronze]

[lyric trellis]

All the mana consumption kept getting reduced since it was annoying which made chaos stone go from niche to completely obsolete

[empty yarrow]

Gonna mention Fables here, their Plasma Rod has a charged attack when your Mana is full

[rich ginkgo]

idk i still have trouble differentiating between ranger and mage, they’re just skins of one another to me

[empty yarrow]

And I think that’s really neat

[steep pagoda]

imo the only actually unique class is summoner

and even then its a stretch

every other class is the same playstyle

true melee is ??? but it exists i suppose

[lyric trellis]

How is melee not unique, the projectile sword propaganda has gone too far

[dense sundial]

melee is pretty distinct whenever it's actually designed to be melee

[grim pecan]

finally, mage stealth

[dense sundial]

yeah

[rich ginkgo]

mana works pretty much the same as rangers bullets except you passively regain mana

[empty yarrow]

Finally Mage is good

[unique warren]

True melee is calamity propaganda even if it is really fun

[lyric trellis]

True melee is vanilla propaganda

[unique warren]

It really is not

[steep pagoda]

because true melee has been left to die, also ranger literally has point blank damage AND summoner has whips so is true melee even that unique

[dense sundial]

i've seen people on armored core 6 talking about "true melee" so i don't think so

[empty yarrow]

Vanilla is True Melee propaganda

[grim pecan]

true melee had to get 5000 buffs in cal because none of the bosses are designed around it

[dusk bronze]

point blank dead and rotting

[steep pagoda]

as is tmelee

[unique warren]

Yea w Scott

What the fuck autocorrect

[dusk bronze]

not in brainstorm

[unique warren]

What was that

[dusk bronze]

it's so peak

[grim pecan]

hi doze

[dull heart]

All the Fabsol bosses encouraging running away at mach 20

[dusk bronze]

doze we're having mana discussions

[steep pagoda]

every calamity boss is just run away

[empty yarrow]

Doze the goat

[grim pecan]

dog rework encourages running away at mach 19, we're making progress

[dense sundial]

bosses should not be designed for true melee, they should just be designed well and naturally such that they naturally let it work

[lyric trellis]

So what you’re saying is whips are melee and summoner isn’t unique

[empty yarrow]

Save the Mage Class mana regen I beg

[unique warren]

True melee is, and always will be, a challenge run class

It’s not supposed to be the best

[dense sundial]

like look at souls or redemption bosses

[dull heart]

not in malice :)

[grim pecan]

around being the word in question

[unkempt grove]

how's it going

[dense sundial]

ig

[unkempt grove]

who's excited for 1.4.5

[dull heart]

Malice 2.1 dog is peak boss design tbh

[dense sundial]

ever heard of boulder humor buddy

[steep pagoda]

the melee whip discourse was such a huge nothingburger dude, i feel like everybody involved in that argument just didnt understand the game they were discussing

[unique warren]

Sorry is malice coming back huh

[obtuse hawk]

of sorts

[dense sundial]

(no)

[dusk bronze]

yes but actually no

[grim pecan]

i love it, but also i can't wait for it to be literally the only version people talk about because "hard version is all that matters"

[dense sundial]

((no))

[empty yarrow]

Made me cry in the corner trying it legit thanks doze

[lyric trellis]

“True melee” is dumb because it’s just what melee should be: the class that deals more damage up close and has extra defense for that purpose

[fallen flame]

Doze with how much you've been hyping up the new DoG, if it's not the best boss ever I'm filing a formal complaint to the council

[dull heart]

Bosses should not be designed around true melee - they should be designed around being able to play aggressive

[dull heart]

peak

[obtuse hawk]

calamity fungus

[lyric trellis]

Idk how people even talked about it that much

[empty yarrow]

Death Mode DoG is peak now tho, I’ll hand you a gold medal its sick 🥇

[dense sundial]

better phrasing yeah

[versed heart]

Afaik basically just Death+Legendary, with little to no unique changes, while Death will become Master Revengeance

[dull heart]

I can't believe someone has already done malice dog ramless defiled nohit

[vivid hemlock]

love how half of melee is just projectiles

[grim pecan]

can i get a name

[dull heart]

@gray trench malice dog talk

[deft lily]

oh boy

[dense sundial]

with the difficulty streamlining, the Calamity Difficulty on legendary will be called malice

[deft lily]

malice dog talk

[rich ginkgo]

this

[deft lily]

the boss i refuse to fight

[dusk bronze]

wtf new umbara pfp

[obtuse hawk]

angry canine discussion

[deft lily]

yeah

(commissioned)

[unique warren]

I don’t think this makes true melee dumb, it just makes false melee dumb

[steep pagoda]

yas i agree, i think each class also needs their own tools to facilitate their given playstyles
i think tmelee could have a built in parry similar to aotc so skilled players can be up close and not be forced into taking a ton of hits

[grim pecan]

1.4.4 attempted to make the swords better and half of them got a projectile to extend their hitbox lol

[unique warren]

Kinda blaming the wrong thing here

Nah 1.4.4 was peak in terms of true melee

[dull heart]

That's fine tbf

[empty yarrow]

Its an “Aura” so its still true melee you see

[dense sundial]

ima be so fr the 1.4.4 swords just make me all the angrier at useStyle1

[dusk bronze]

true

[grim pecan]

i'm not saying it's bad, it's just really funny

[unique warren]

Why?

[dusk bronze]

we need to kill usestyle1

[fallen flame]

My friend who's currently trying a true melee run says that he thinks it's pretty ass due to the lack of a projectile and that the tungsten enchantment is basically non-negotiable lol

[lyric trellis]

I’m saying the term is dumb because it was made a thing instead of idk, making good bosses and weapons and balancing

[deft lily]

burp

[fallen flame]

whether he's just mad/salty/or bad im not sure

[dense sundial]

new night's edge looks like relogic tried their hardest not to make a weapon not usestyle1

[empty yarrow]

I’ll use True Excalibur till the day I die

[deft lily]

'cuse me

[unique warren]

Okay but don’t diss vanilla terraria

[deft lily]

i hate fishing

[lyric trellis]

? I’m not

[empty yarrow]

Bless you

[deft lily]

thank 😇

[steep pagoda]

the cut and dry is just
yes it encourages a playstyle similar to true melee but playstyle has never been a factor in the class that weapon belongs to so thats a moot point

[grim pecan]

i am why do half of the weapons in this game use global iframes why do we need to change it all

[unique warren]

I feel like insinuating that it doesn’t have good weapons, bosses, or balancing kinda is dissing it

[dusk bronze]

terraria is a very fun and good game but has several undeniable design flaws at its foundation

[hollow harness]

fuuuuck global iframes,

[lyric trellis]

I’m referring to Cal mainly

[dense sundial]

playstyle is more of a factor when you're not playing calamity because you have to babysit targets to let your minions keep up

[unique warren]

Oh, uh yeah true

[steep pagoda]

the argument went on so long because there were people too heated on either side and they were arguing over an unresolvable issue

[deft lily]

rod of discord

[hollow harness]

hated those in meteor shots, thankfully vanilla saved them

[dense sundial]

calamity minions are just uber consistent so it doesn't matter

[lyric trellis]

Whether or not it applies to vanilla is different but I’m not going to vanilla for bosses so whatever

[dense sundial]

look at the minions that are literally hitscan glued to your head

[empty yarrow]

Golem (In general)

[steep pagoda]

still doesnt matter because every class plays incredibly similar already

[lapis oak]

hi I updated it, Event Horizon has joined the club

[grim pecan]

it's not a rework...............

[deft lily]

🔥

[unique warren]

Honestly class discourse is tiring

[steep pagoda]

cant read on my tiny laptop screen but good job

[lapis oak]

it's not a rework chart..........

[versed heart]

Sanguine, Terraprisma
Anything else I should be aware of?

[unique warren]

Like they’re mostly vibes based let’s be real and who cares

[grim pecan]

blade staff

[steep pagoda]

not when its productive or engaging

[dense sundial]

i am talking about calamity

[unique warren]

I’ll be honest it usually isn’t

[empty yarrow]

Shouldn’t there be a little thing to say that the weapon was retiered or smth?

[hollow harness]

sun spirit staff and the tundra flower summon,,

[lyric trellis]

I like how people keep confusing vanilla and cal balance

[steep pagoda]

idk i make it productive and engaging so i never have this issue 🙂‍↕️

[fallen flame]

Blade staff

[dense sundial]

flowers line, saros line, perdition

[empty yarrow]

Like have the name underlined since its not a rework

[lapis oak]

no

[dusk bronze]

yeah it's called the weapon being in a different tier

[grim pecan]

they're balanced exactly the same idk what you mean

[empty yarrow]

[lapis oak]

retiered alone isn't a consideration to be in the chart

[versed heart]

Eh, sometimes it struggles to catch up with an enemy that's moving away
Sanguine and Terraprisma are much more like hitscan imo

[steep pagoda]

cause theres not really a clearly defined philosophy for either i dont think

[fallen flame]

I mean xeno is also literally hitscan

[lyric trellis]

Clearly

[fallen flame]

but its not glued to your head

so it kinda counts?

[stark quail]

unrelated but i love this sprite

[vocal kelp]

#laughed

[grim pecan]

shoutout to warlok's moon fist for being the worst active summon weapon in the mod

[steep pagoda]

that was like the other half of the whip discourse, ppl couldnt agree on what whips were supposed to do for the summoner class

[empty yarrow]

Kills you

[hollow harness]

clearly vanilla has a big massive spreadsheet with times and tiers for all weapons

[obtuse hawk]

what's the thing in the middle of the blade (not the hole) supposed to be

[lyric trellis]

Not a soul using moonfist actively

[obtuse hawk]

it looks like some sorta symbol

[stark quail]

man idk

[lapis oak]

it's... active?

[steep pagoda]

mee

[dusk bronze]

donor weapons are either peak gameplay, abysmal dogshit or you forget they exist

no inbetween

[steep pagoda]

they all suckkk

i mean

[obtuse hawk]

what's wrong with it

[steep pagoda]

in my opinion

[obtuse hawk]

I never used it so

[steep pagoda]

i cant think of a good one

[grim pecan]

if you use warloks moon fist without having the minion slots to summon it, the minion is active for a single frame with a hitbox, allowing you to hold your mouse on an enemy and do about 700dps

[unique warren]

If I were to give each class a playstyle:
melee: just what true melee is rn
Ranger: just what ranger is rn
Mage: burst damage class where you do a shit ton of damage and wait for mana to regen
Summoner: just what summoner is rn

lol

[lapis oak]

😭 wtf

"active"

[steep pagoda]

kinda but theres more nuance to it than that

[unique warren]

No I mean

If I were to rework the classes to make them distinct, I would have that approach

[steep pagoda]

oh

well ya something similar id agree with

[lapis oak]

@dull heart how to edit old message's image?

I just updated the chart

[unique warren]

The issue is melee being not true melee and mage being too similar to ranger and that’s kinda it

[fallen flame]

I dont think you can edit old messages with only images with a new image

I think you just have to make a new one

[pulsar cobalt]

send image as a link (pretty sure u can do that since cool dude)

[lyric trellis]

Melee having projectiles is perfectly fine, the true melee just needs to contribute a notable amount to the weapon being good (look at Terra Blade)

[steep pagoda]

id just say melee is fighting headon, ranger could have more engaging ammo mechanics (reloads?) and bows could use a full overhaul, mage is burst damage i agree and i think they should be the full glass cannon class rather than summoner, and summoner is pretty good as it is tbh

[fallen flame]

I actually think projectile wise, mage is more similar to ranged melee, just with mana lol

[lapis oak]

ok how do I send image as a link

[unique warren]

TRUTH NUKE

[fallen flame]

Ranger has pretty unique projectiles all things considered

[hollow harness]

[unique warren]

This is mostly carried by Others (flame throwers, darts, etc.) and bows ngl

[pulsar cobalt]

send image then right click copy link

[unique warren]

In vanilla I mean

[steep pagoda]

melee just needs tools that makes fighting up close actually worthwhile compared to fighting at a distance because currently theres no real reason to put yourself at risk to do this

[pulsar cobalt]

pretty sure this brings down the quality tho i think

[unique warren]

There are some weapons like that but yes

[hollow harness]

relogic please increase titan glove accs sword size,

[dusk bronze]

bullet filled shotgun, glorious end, roxcalibur, ace's high, kalandra, tenryu, sevens striker

[steep pagoda]

for mage i think mana flower should be entirely removed or reworked

[steep pagoda]

glorious end is like the only good one

maybe rox

the others dont stand out to me

[dusk bronze]

sevens striker is literally gambling cmon

[grim pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406493898341613568/1465547621413421116/2026-01-26_19-22-07.mp4?ex=69798115&is=69782f95&hm=14a44bbdb062848674b7abfb41c4dbcc1aa13fe1c414e340b1cca7d949375400&

[unique warren]

Mana potions should be emphasized as an alternative playstyle that sacrifices damage for ease of use

[grim pecan]

the funny

[lyric trellis]

All these chops yet no Hadal Urn (yes these are some of the better ones)

[lapis oak]

Rox is dogshit!!!

[steep pagoda]

as a premise for mana itself being reworked

[lapis oak]

the gameplay is peak unsatisfying!!!

[dusk bronze]

smashes you with a rock

[vivid hemlock]

isnt tyranny's end like so good people forget its a donor weapon

[steep pagoda]

i think mana regen from potions should be at least HEAVILY discouraged

because it ignores the class mechanic entirely

especially under the pretense of a mana rework

[grim pecan]

i'm partial to grave grimreaver personally

[empty yarrow]

The “Skip WoF” key

[steep pagoda]

if not just gutted

yas im going nuclear

[fallen flame]

Only a little, there is actually few analogs to bullets and arrows in the other classes. Most mage projectiles are relatively slow, have much shorter range, and do AoE damage. About the only mage weapons that simulate ranger ones IMO are the magic guns, which... Well, they're guns. Melee projectiles therefore tend to have more in common with mage projectiles than ranger projectiles

[steep pagoda]

i dont CARE

[lapis oak]

it's so bad wtf 😭

[empty yarrow]

This is peak summoner 🗣️🔥🔥

[lyric trellis]

It’s better than whips

[unique warren]

Mana regen should be considerably slower and an actual thing to consider. Again, pointing to my idea, make it so weapons use up mana and do very high damage relative to other classes, then have to have a waiting period for mana to regen

[steep pagoda]

wow ya this stinks