calamity-update-talk

[fathom girder]

lole

tbf he'll never beat yharon

literally cannot die

at least fully or whatever

[blazing field]

id argue if it wasnt fo ryharons domain he'd probably have outlasted him too

or well

he literally WOULD have

yharon died atleast once

after the dragon hunts started

or else Yharim wouldn't have happened

they got his egg after all

[fathom girder]

that's true

I like how old duke is written as a stereotypical dragon

[dull heart]

I'm like 90% sure they're in BS

[fossil dew]

Old duke's weapons being planned to be redone as dragon hunter weapons makes me thing of igon from elden ring

[fallen flame]

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-its-always-sunny-applaud-happy-cry-clapping-gif-18958303

Truly a paragon of the power of spite

I will say I'm always a bit surprised how much lore is to be found in calamity under the hood when most of the gameplay still seems to just revolve around "that dude is EVIL and he needs to DIE"

[fathom girder]

we love stip

and co

[blazing field]

The lore itself is cool as hell and the writers r cooking but unfortunately the ingame implementation is still pretty subpar... Result of heavily unfinished mod that had its update cycle stunted for a long while

Alot of stuff shared in discord still to be added ingame + Alot of stuff that is ingame is conveyed in ways that feel very "artificial" for hte lack of a better term

Thankfully this stuff is being addressed

Updates will work to make the lore flow more naturally

[fallen flame]

Personally I think it's more of the result of a mod that originally was just about adding cool stuff with little care for exactly how it all fit together and then only half-way through was like "wait, what if we actually added structure to everything?"

[fathom girder]

brainstorm will be a nice baseline to continue to grow from, at least

[fallen flame]

Seems like to this day Calamity is still fending with some half-baked elements they added literally years ago lol

whether that be weapons, bosses, or entire areas/concepts

[fathom girder]

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabsol

[fallen flame]

I think I noticed a lot of mod authors lock in when Everglow was shown off back in like 2022 lol

I noticed that a ton of stuff just jumped in quality once those guys showed off how good you could make stuff look

[fathom girder]

could be the case

[tribal isle]

Imagine if old duke had lore

[fathom girder]

he DOES

[blazing field]

Oh no yeah it's 100% the case

The problem is that John Fabsol's presence made it so while other mods modernized and updated

Calamity was just kinda... left behind

[fathom girder]

2015 ass mod

[fallen flame]

They definitely have a pretty solid base to work off of as it stands, they just gotta trim some fat and probably add some better presentation

[tribal isle]

Yeah yeah

[fathom girder]

wait till you see what's coming in brainstorm

Can't wait for this update to bring calamity back as one of the titans

[tribal isle]

Isn’t it the most downloaded terraria mod

[fathom girder]

yes

But in terms of quality compared to modern stuff

[fallen flame]

Now to be fair, I have checked out a lot of those "modernized" mods, and while they tend to have damn fine stuff in them, it tends to be extremely limited and they also tend to stop being updated almost immediately after coming out lol

[fathom girder]

it's questionable

[fallen flame]

Candle that burns twice as bright I guess

[blazing field]

Alot of them are just heavily unfinished compraed to something like calamity because i mean... Calamity has existed for like 10 years

Spirit Reforged and Calamity Fables are both really fantastic mods still being actively updated, i believe Starlight River too

They just hav v little content since they were born like 2 days ago /j

[dull heart]

are fables still in active development?

[fathom girder]

Starlight river is rather impressive

[fallen flame]

I'm definitely impressed by what I've seen so far. Last time I played Calamity was unironically in like 2018. I was even able to convince a few buds to give it a shot with me after the new update drops

[blazing field]

If you want a more "complete" experience

[fathom girder]

like the devs behind that made a whole ass game lmao

[dull heart]

I know stuff happened to iban

[fathom girder]

uh oh

[blazing field]

Some i can recommend are Spooky mod and Mod of Redemption

[tribal isle]

Play ccr

[blazing field]

Yeah, they showed off some new npcs like, last month

[dull heart]

awesome

[fathom girder]

ig there can only be one fabless calamity...

[blazing field]

Iban was hospitalized for a bit but it was just a hiatus

[dull heart]

good to hear

fables is cool

but you know what will be cooler...?

[blazing field]

it is

the snow biome

[fathom girder]

DoG rework

[lavish otter]

The cathedral?

[fathom girder]

man I can NOT wait for that

[blazing field]

the ice biome

[strong isle]

Goddamn, I was not aware

[fallen flame]

True but that's still been out for around 2+ years now and still has only 2 bosses and nothing meant for post-Skeletron still :P

[dull heart]

how'd you guess...

[lavish otter]

I'm just very in tune with the uhhh...the universe-

[dull heart]

actually I was split 50/50 between saying cathedral and saying my mod roots

[tribal isle]

Plague overhaul?

[lavish otter]

Ooh, neat
What's Roots about, again?

[tribal isle]

Roots like the deltarune theory

[lavish otter]

I don't mean that as an insult, I just don't know a lot about other mods

[fathom girder]

Roots is neat

[summer shore]

Does it contain roots

[fathom girder]

It's the ROOTS of TERRARIA

[lavish otter]

Ohhhhh, the final update

[dull heart]

it is meant to bring Terraria back to its roots sort of - restoring some of the game design from early terraria that was lost over the years and then building upon it in a more modern way

[amber egret]

roots theory….

[fallen flame]

I've checked a few of those out, but I think I'll still just wait on Calamity to be updated if it's all the same lol

[lavish otter]

Aaaahhhhh, that's awesome!

[dull heart]

it's my mod that gives projectile melee Mana costs, makes summons cost max mana, removes the current class system, and reworks Mana Flower

[tribal isle]

why was tmod so long in 1.3

[fathom girder]

wdym

it wasn't tmoooooooooooooooooood in 1.3

[lavish otter]

I don't think it was long, it was just short

[dull heart]

tmoooooodlooooooaderrrrrrrr

actually

[fallen flame]

Terraria 1.4.5 when?

[tribal isle]

Today

[amber egret]

am i misremembering you as a different mod maker, outside of calamity

[dull heart]

I do make other mods

[lavish otter]

It released two years ago, didn't you know?

[fathom girder]

Doze made stargod

[blazing field]

doze storm weaver mod ...

[amber egret]

no what was it

[blazing field]

Not the original stargod i don't think that was some chinese guy

[dull heart]

idk I make a lot of minor mods

[fathom girder]

no

[amber egret]

fuggin. mod. with yharim in it

[fathom girder]

he didn't make the og stargod lmao

[blazing field]

But doze is one of the people working on remaking stargod iirc yea

[dull heart]

I didn't add yharim

[lavish otter]

Calamity?

[amber egret]

no the mod ABOUT yharim like directly

[dull heart]

yeah not me

[fathom girder]

Doze actually created tremor mod

[amber egret]

fuckin

[tribal isle]

There is one?

[dull heart]

reign of yharim

[amber egret]

reign of yharim yes

[lavish otter]

Y'know, I always suspected Doze was the real John D. Calamity

[blazing field]

You

[blazing field]

That's not even a mod

[dull heart]

I'm actually John M. Calamity

[blazing field]

[amber egret]

i thought it was

[fathom girder]

no

that's a whole ass game

[blazing field]

hi i'm jane Reign of Yharim it's a Game

[tribal isle]

It’s a mod for steam or wherever it’s releasing

[lavish otter]

For Mozezoze, I imagine

[blazing field]

mod for steam

:fire

[dull heart]

rain of yhorm

[fathom girder]

Valve approved

[tribal isle]

Gabe played reign of yharim himself

[strong isle]

Yhorm the Castaway mention!!

[lavish otter]

Actually speaking of, are you on the RoY team though?

I know Cheese and Tofu are

[dull heart]

Can't wait for someone to make Calamity Mod for reign of yharim

no I'm not

[flat folio]

Ouroboros

[lavish otter]

...why not 🥺

[dull heart]

I know like 0 about roy

[tribal isle]

Is there gonna be a reign of yharim fables

[amber egret]

what happens in roy

[blazing field]

reign of yharim cheesles

[amber egret]

do we fight by yharims side

[blazing field]

nah

[lavish otter]

Yharim reigns

[fallen flame]

Also I must ask because I'm curious, how truly restrictive was Fabsol for Calamity's development? All I've really heard is that people didn't like them too much and they tended to have a fairly "vanilla" approach to most bosses/weapons/accessories/etc, but I don't really know to what extent

[amber egret]

well no crap but like when

[tribal isle]

It’s like silksong

[amber egret]

Very.

[blazing field]

Reign of Yharim is an adaptationof Calamity Mod's story if it was its own separate game and not a terraria mod

shoutout to this interaction

[tribal isle]

Like silksong

[amber egret]

ohh

[blazing field]

i showed up immediately

i wasnt on the chat before

[dull heart]

1. nobody said "hey doze come help make this"
2. I don't know what it is besides yharim game
3. 

[fathom girder]

Fabsol was the lead and ONLY boss designer until he shoved off

[blazing field]

hey doze come help me make this

[fathom girder]

I know someone's gonna say "but xyk made brothers rework" that is the ONE outlier

[fallen flame]

Damn, really? The ONLY boss designer? crazy if so

[gloomy grove]

calamity 2?

[gloomy grove]

not really the "only" boss designer

[lavish otter]

Y'know, I wish this would work...but reason 3 is pretty compelling

[fathom girder]

generally speaking Fabsol was an egomaniac

[fathom girder]

here we go

[dull heart]

idk what this is but ok

[blazing field]

He'd actively shut down ideas he didn't like without taking consideration of what other devs wanted or what'd be better for the game, he only allowed himself to work on bosses, and would repeatedly add stuff ot the mod with 0 discussion with other devs

Basically he saw what he wanted for the mod as the supremely important thing over anything else, even though he had a team full of passionate devs who were working for him for free

[gloomy grove]

moreso that if anyone wants to work on bosses fabsol still has the final say so everything goes through him

[blazing field]

And that's not to mention that he was just

Horrible for the reputation of the mod

Being just publicly an asshole, making repeatedly "Controversial" statements and just not being a good look for a Team Lead at All

[gloomy grove]

yeah this

[lavish otter]

Sometimes I'm still embarrassed by the memories of all the messages I spent defending him from criticism-

[gloomy grove]

alot of things go through the guy

[dull heart]

no he was just flat out the boss designer with literally one exception (scal, where Xyk helped with brothers and maelstrom)

[fallen flame]

I see I see

[gloomy grove]

oh really? i was misinformed then

[fallen flame]

Well sounds like his departure was solely for the best then lol

[fathom girder]

yeah

[blazing field]

p much

[fathom girder]

fabsol leaving was the best thing to happen to calamity

[misty wren]

and xyk had to tiptoe around all of the actual changes to brothers phase

[dull heart]

he once denied ozz rewriting polterghast to be the same function but easier to work with the codebase on

[fathom girder]

ESPECIALLY because ozz became the new lead

[gloomy grove]

i think you can see the difference with the new brain of cthulhu spoiler

[fathom girder]

and everyone fucken loves ozz

[tribal isle]

if fab stayed xeroc would have skeletron prime ai

[gloomy grove]

calamity will eventually beat the unique ai allegationss

[misty wren]

kinda also hive mind but he completely butchered hive mind so

[lavish otter]

In fact, that's happening in Brainstorm! Technically-

[gloomy grove]

i remember hive mind's spritesheet being broken

[dull heart]

I can't believe Fabsol looked at calamity and just thought

what if I made every boss worse

and then released BH

[fallen flame]

I guess my only question still would be if Fab's boss design philosophy was, at it's core, innately flawed, or if the fundamentals were sound, but he was just bad at it lol

[lavish otter]

I don't know how unique DoG will be as a worm, but BoC is getting big changes

[gloomy grove]

what was the most significant change in bountiful harvest again

[dull heart]

both probably

[dull heart]

_ _

[gloomy grove]

all i remember about that update was the cute little pumpkin guys

which come from a really irrelevant sentry...

[fallen flame]

On paper more vanilla-esqe bosses that focus more on fun aren't necessarily worse than more interesting bosses that are unique just for the sake of being unique

But it is a thin line

[dull heart]

there was no single significant piece of content in BH I think? maybe Xyk brothers?

[gloomy grove]

oh the latest brothers were from that update?

fire

[blazing field]

I'd say the former tbh, given his philosophy was basically... difficulty first, fun later
Not to mention that the way he coded the bosses is also supremely repetitive since he didn't actually make any original code for any of tem and just copied vanilla code and added stuff ontop. It also is way more restrictive, really hard to represent what alot of bosses are meant to be with the limitations of Vanilla Code with Extra Projectiles

[dull heart]

like the pumpkin was the update mascot for a reason lol

there was literally just nothing significant

[gloomy grove]

nothingburger update 🗣️

[lavish otter]

To be fair, it's cute

[gloomy grove]

i thought BH was gonna have alot of halloween stuff initially

[dull heart]

Brainstorm is like BH if it actually had headliner changes

[barren nacelle]

Fabsol’s entire design philosophy was hard = fun and if you didn’t enjoy it you were bad at the game

[misty wren]

the fundamentals were... fine? i guess? its just that those fundamentals are also like 6 years outdated and he hadnt improved much on his skills in designing a boss as the tmod standards improved

[dull heart]

namely BoC and DoG

[gloomy grove]

they remind me of the little magma guys from starlight river yeah

[dull heart]

And if it had antifabsol dna

Evil BH be like: BS

[barren nacelle]

He was using 1.2 boss design in 1.4

[blazing field]

And his way of determing how hard something was was basically

"can i beat it"

[gloomy grove]

exo mechs but good will be fun to see

[blazing field]

Like p sure he was the sole tester for master death

[misty wren]

yes

[lavish otter]

Also that is funny though, because then wouldn't you say it was a Bountiful Harvest...but without the bounty, or the harvest?

[dull heart]

he didn't even always test things

[blazing field]

And also he talked about how hard his bosses were like it was a good thing

[gloomy grove]

implied halloween update but no halloween :(

[dull heart]

And he always pushed to main branch

[still bluff]

he supposedly had tested master death sprime and thought it was good

[blazing field]

This boss is SO HARD it will make you BOAR YOURSELF

[fallen flame]

Well if I remember correctly he tended to justify the AI decision with something along the lines of "Using vanilla AI gives me more time and opportunity to add more incremental changes that, while not groundbreaking, can still result in a more enjoyable fight than something built from the ground up that is more likely to bug out or just be too gimmicky to enjoy".

But he also could've just been lazy

[flat folio]

I think it was just down to a lack of evolution, really

The whole Unique AI thing ultimately boils down to theming. You can make a boss that's fun to play against out of Frankenstein'd vanilla AI code
But if you're doing that so much that the boss feels too reminiscient of smth from vanilla it's gonna make the player think of that first and foremost when taken as an artistic setpiece (e.g. why does the supposed witch clone look like an eyeball and act like Retinazer?)

Mechanically speaking I think it was that restrictive atmosphere and an intransigent approach to fundamental rethinkings that stunted things most. Some ideas are just not great, and sometimes it's better to rethink smth from a more critical angle than to brute force it because you're afraid of outside change

[still bluff]

he was just so disconnected from how to make an enjoyable fight

unique AI

[misty wren]

primarily because nobody else wanted to touch it because more difficulty testing woooooo but some devs also probably didnt want to touch it at all because any feedback they gave would probably be completely ignored in favor of fabsols own feelings

[gloomy grove]

intransigent is a new word for me

[dull heart]

Malice DoG will show you what a good hard fight looks like

[still bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/calamity-terraria-unique-ai-cataclysmic-armageddon-gif-25072552

[gloomy grove]

what the fuck are those

[fallen flame]

Why does he get to post gifs?

[gloomy grove]

because they are cool

[still bluff]

toothpaste reward

[gloomy grove]

colgate reward

[misty wren]

anybody can post gifs if you arent warned and know the secret tech

[still bluff]

dangerous words there

[dull heart]

I'm so ready for all the infernum dog haters to explode when they see malice dog it'll be so funny

[barren nacelle]

Why don’t I get to post gifs

[fallen flame]

Literally Fabsol draconian laws being laid down against me specifically

[misty wren]

you dont know the secret tech

[gloomy grove]

i am NOT gonna keep a folder of downloaded gifs 🥀

[flat folio]

Like if someone said "Hey, this does not play well. The bosses just sit to your sides and I have few options in terms of movement response. Can we reconsider this" about the Exo Mechs during development and Fabsol was receptive to that hypothetical feedback, I think they could've been a lot better at launch

[blazing field]

enjoyable fight than something built from the ground up that is more likely to bug out or just be too gimmicky to enjoy".

Both of these things are easily avoidable tbh. Lowk sounds like dude just didn't want to learn... Like yeah man you can make a fight without reusing vanilla code that isn't gimmicky. You know who did that? That's right. Relogic. Because none of their bosses blatantly reuse the code of their other bosses save for like, mechs, and it Makes Sense with those

[dull heart]

I did get him to listen to boss feedback once!

[blazing field]

the Vanilla Bosses you're copying don't use the same logic you use so like

😭

[dull heart]

I got him to try fighting DS without Magiluminescence

[barren nacelle]

How much fighting did it take

[dull heart]

and he immediately gutted the nuisances

[barren nacelle]

LMFAO

[lavish otter]

Nuisanceless

[dull heart]

part of his issue was he didn't ever test with build variety

[misty wren]

nuanceless

[still bluff]

iirc i got him to nerf skeletron's dashes slightly

(then CIT made them not telefrag which was the actual problem he refused to change)\

[gloomy grove]

oh yeah speaking of skeletron is the skeletron bug fixed in BS

[dull heart]

like DS became super super reliant on good accel bc he always had Magiluminescence on

[dull heart]

The multiplayer one? Yes

[gloomy grove]

thank you 🙏

[fallen flame]

Yeah, I guess I can see how Going too far with basic boss design can lead to things not only making sense in-lore, but also just kinda make you feel like you are just, at the end of the day, fighting resprited Vanilla bosses with a handful of new moves :P

[cobalt wharf]

me when im not allowed to nerf a boss but im allowed to overbuff every weapon at the tier

[still bluff]

god

[fallen flame]

Also aren't you the one that did the Exo mech rework mod?

[blazing field]

why was he even using magilul on a boss that's supposed to be pre-eoc

😭

[still bluff]

post evil2 bountiful harvest

🥀

[flat folio]

Yeah

[dull heart]

Magiluminescence is available pre bosa

You can just mine demonite

[blazing field]

jane wrathgod

[still bluff]

wrath of the karma

[blazing field]

Dosen't it need shadow scales/tissue samples or am i trippin

[gloomy grove]

magilum my beloved

[fallen flame]

I have yet to fight them but from what I've seen, that fight looks crazy good lol. Keep up the good work!

[dull heart]

DS had a similar issue when working on the new rework

At first ennway was testing with duneriders on

[misty wren]

naw its dirt cheap

[blazing field]

damn

[dull heart]

(we also have unnerffed duneriders in 2.1)

[gloomy grove]

its insane people barely use the accessory even with the cheap recipe

[dull heart]

I see it used all the time

[still bluff]

i don't realaly use it but that's specifically me lol

[rancid pagoda]

base speed in Calamity spoiling them

[gloomy grove]

probably actually

[blazing field]

where they nerfed?

[gloomy grove]

will yall kill the base spd thing

[misty wren]

i sometimes use it

[blazing field]

didnt even know that

[dull heart]

Significantly

[amber egret]

it was nerfed

[dull heart]

A very significant amount

[gloomy grove]

i think the player should be reminded how slow their character actually is in vanilla

[barren nacelle]

They unlaced those bitches they are bad

[blazing field]

Wish there was a upgrade line specifically for dunestriders as a sort of sidegrade to the spectre boots line

[amber egret]

sandscurries

[blazing field]

Like you can still use them in spectre but you also can make a diff upgrade line specifically with em

[amber egret]

shoes made entirely for moving fast and not for moving up

[dull heart]

Like they're barely any better than lightning on sand now in cal

[barren nacelle]

Are you guys keeping defense damage

[gloomy grove]

cactustreads..

[blazing field]

Mainly just because their gimmick is pretty fun and while i understand why it's not implemented in spectre/terraspark line it could be cool as a sidegrade

[misty wren]

in some form

[dull heart]

Yes, why wouldn't we

[blazing field]

True. ..

[misty wren]

defense damage is a necessary evil

[gloomy grove]

defense damage would be fine if its properly used i think

[dull heart]

Defense damage is not even a real problem

[blazing field]

Defense damage is fine on some attacks i think. Like big heavy damage attacks you're incentized to actually avoid

[barren nacelle]

Wasn’t sure, didn’t know if you were broiling some alternative

[blazing field]

The problem is that fabsol put it on Fucking Everything

[dull heart]

no that's literally the opposite

[gloomy grove]

^

[blazing field]

yes fabsol please put defense damage on Piranha

[dull heart]

Defense Damage needs to be on weka attacks to prevent facetanking

[blazing field]

Ehhh

[dull heart]

You can't facetank phantasmal deathray

[gloomy grove]

mm

[barren nacelle]

Defense damage is the death by a thousand cuts

[lavish otter]

I've heard conflicting viewpoints on this from other devs, so I think it's a fair question

[dull heart]

it doesn't need defense dmg

[gloomy grove]

doze might have a point

[amber egret]

i think defense damage should be on the Fuck You attacks but balance the other damage around the chance of getting Fuck You’d

[dull heart]

I don't think most people know how defense damage actually works

[blazing field]

I think just gutting facetanking as a strategy has always been weird

[barren nacelle]

The little chips in your armor thay come back to bite you when that big attack actually hits

[blazing field]

I think if someone like built a kit specifically to be really tanky then let em do it

[dull heart]

we want people to actually have to interact with the boss and not luigi% it easily

[amber egret]

like if your armor is shattered, it does about as much damage as the Fuck You

[gloomy grove]

thematically it makes zero sense but from a gameplay standpoint i see the vision

[misty wren]

on the big fuck you hits yeah its just extra punishment on top of the already extra punishment from it being such a massive hit

[dull heart]

You still can! You just can't literally sit still

tanky is still very very good

[amber egret]

you want them to play ranger against the tax collector?

[barren nacelle]

What about the Chaos State nerf?

[gloomy grove]

what nerf

[still bluff]

terraria defence is a not terribly functional system
defence damage is the method cal chose to make it not break the entire structure of bosses

[misty wren]

cant use it off cooldown

[barren nacelle]

It removes the gimmick of chaos state damaging you. You just can’t use it

[misty wren]

in vanilla you can just Use RoD Whenever even if its on cooldown

[dull heart]

like vanilla defense alone allows facetanking without moving entire bosses

[blazing field]

Is this particularly easy to do otherwise?

[gloomy grove]

ooh

[dull heart]

Yes, especially with calamity adding more defense accesories

[misty wren]

i dont think it would be changed

[dull heart]

It's doable in vanilla even without calamity defense accesories

[amber egret]

camper making you a stone statue thats immune to all damage, outgoing or incoming

[blazing field]

mm

[still bluff]

yea, with cal adding more accs you kinda just sit there after putting in minimal effort without defence damage

[gloomy grove]

i see doze's vision now

[amber egret]

everyone tanks everything equally

[still bluff]

at least in vanilla you have to think slightly

[dull heart]

Heck it's still doable in calamity sometimes even with defense damage

[blazing field]

Understandable

[still bluff]

yea 😭

[gloomy grove]

luigi% is so peak

[barren nacelle]

Is Ancient Chisel nerf staying? Always seemed a weird pick

[misty wren]

thorium has an accessory that does that same thing
big issue there though
debuffs! it does not account for debuffs! it just turns every fight into a potentially multiple hour endeavor

[dull heart]

also people ignore the fact that defense damage literally takes only one second to recover after being hit

[gloomy grove]

it decays really fast iirc yeah

[dull heart]

it doesn't last

[barren nacelle]

I think it just scares people

[amber egret]

i love hour long endeavors though

[amber egret]

NUMBER WENT DOWN

[dull heart]

it literally only punishes chain hits

[amber egret]

BAD

SCARY

[fallen flame]

Sounds like my friend rushing Nod Leaf in every Binding of Isaac run

[amber egret]

precisely

[dull heart]

defense damage is the most nothingburger boogeyman ever rn

[misty wren]

not when you arent doing anything you're just afk

like

[amber egret]

no but you DO know who the boogieman is

[dull heart]

It does last longer than 1 second actually but only when you've been chain hit

[amber egret]

boots… sucking ass…..

[blazing field]

Burrower

[amber egret]

the scariest boogieman

[dull heart]

you say that as a joke but I've seen multiple auric patrons scared by him

[barren nacelle]

lmao?!?

[blazing field]

What did bro do .

[gloomy grove]

be evil

[blazing field]

Hes just chilling ..... just mining his ores ...

[dull heart]

Glowing red lights metal worm in cave

[amber egret]

dude Burrower (enemy) can NOT be that scary

[misty wren]

i saw the results of mpg killing nameless deity using the thorium everything immunity accessory and viral sprouts it took like 4.5 hours but he just left it running while he left and did something else

[dull heart]

it literally does 0 dmg and uh

[blazing field]

Burrower

[amber egret]

we cannot be serious

[dull heart]

due to an oversight can drop over 2 platinum

[blazing field]

lol ??

[dull heart]

I fixed this today though

[amber egret]

yea but thats FUNNY

[dull heart]

It also has 1000 hp

[blazing field]

Are there any other new entities in BS other than Burrower

[still bluff]

no more gif permission applications sorry

[blazing field]

I think Shroombles are in right

[dull heart]

Which is scary to people

shroombles yes

[blazing field]

uhhh,, Clad Crab and Bucket Zombie?

I think those too

[fallen flame]

"Player takes BRAVE and STUNNING risks to defeat the strongest boss within 5 hours!" - Some youtuber who wants clicks

[blazing field]

idrm if im missing any

[still bluff]

crabulon 2

[dull heart]

Burrower is so peak

[misty wren]

hell he might have gone to sleep and left the game running overnight for it

[amber egret]

oooh 1000 hp so scairy

[dull heart]

To be fair 1000 HP pre boss is

[amber egret]

the LAIGHT not the LAIG- vilethorn

[dull heart]

a lot

[blazing field]

is Bucket Zombie a zombie variant that spawns like all the other ones or is it like biome specific or sm

[blazing field]

specially for a normal creature that can just sapwn in randomly yeah

[lavish otter]

Isn't that the same as the pig critter, or is it twice as much?

[dull heart]

Especially on a worm that goes through tiles

and is glowing red lights in the dark

[misty wren]

double

[blazing field]

In my mind i feel like it's a ocean zombie variant but i have no idea if thats the actual case

Clad Crab was a underground critter i think

[lavish otter]

The most terrifying threat in this world...two pigs in a trench coat

[fallen flame]

All this talk about Burrower is making me wonder when we're getting Armored Digger rework

[gloomy grove]

BS update yesterday

[blazing field]

does he know

[dull heart]

Burrower is the armored digger rework

[amber egret]

okay this thing better leak my home address

[still bluff]

he didn't know

now he knows

[fallen flame]

[lavish otter]

Part of it, at least

[amber egret]

this does Not sound scairy

[blazing field]

It'd be really funny if horrible hog was actually in this update but it just wasn't listed in the changelogs anywhere

[fallen flame]

I did not know

That is funny though

[dull heart]

Very possibly all of it

[lavish otter]

Oh wait, really?

[still bluff]

this hog

[blazing field]

Yeah the hardmode/post ml variants might not happen

[still bluff]

it's horrible

[lavish otter]

Y'know actually, that's fair
Three would be a bit much

[dull heart]

There's some stuff not in changelogs bc they were added after last changelog

[still bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/five-pebbles-fivepebbles-pebsi-toomanypebbles-howmanypebbles-gif-17294919173281068888

[blazing field]

Ppl weren't a big fan of their designs

[dull heart]

Like abyss darkness

phantomic artifact rework

[blazing field]

What are you implying dozezoze.

[amber egret]

i thought this was sepulchre

[amber egret]

oh?

[dull heart]

it's a minor rework

[lavish otter]

Honestly, I like the designs, but having essentially five Destroyer "variants" in the game would be a lot

[dull heart]

but it makes it actually useful over affliction finally

[amber egret]

is it still worse than core

[dull heart]

core?

[blazing field]

The hradmode and post ml designs are pretty eh

They don't really

[amber egret]

profaned

[blazing field]

Look like mining tools anymore

[dull heart]

dunno

[blazing field]

Just. generic metal worm numero five hundred (INCLUDING mandibles!)

[amber egret]

iirc it provides worse stats and no sponge shield

[dull heart]

depends what you value

[still bluff]

this is sepulcher rework

fifty pebbles

[fallen flame]

You will get another worm boss and you're gonna like it

[lavish otter]

Oh yeah, that's fair
I think they just at least do a good job of looking like prototype Destroyers and Thanatoses

[lyric trellis]

The mod needs 509 destroyers

[dull heart]

it has more damage than PSA but no barrier

[amber egret]

i value

not dying
killing the enemy

[blazing field]

If we get hardmode/post ml variants i'd like it to keep the drill

[dull heart]

and Regen is either the same or better

And it has phantomic bulwark

[fallen flame]

Sounds like you value the Butcher function

[blazing field]

the drill is a very fun design element that clearly separates it from other worm designs and indicates that YEP. this is Mining

[lavish otter]

What it needs is to get destroyered

[dull heart]

yeah if we do Excavator or Deconstructor

They'd probably be redone

[misty wren]

each one gets a progressively larger drill until the final one becomes simply a Cone

[dull heart]

I did manage to make Deconstructor have more aura than Thanatos though

[lyric trellis]

Having 3 armored diggers like they were before would be weird cause damn how many metal worms does this guy need

[blazing field]

I remember

the funny dahs

[dull heart]

before scrapping it

[blazing field]

dash

you should post the funny dash again

[misty wren]

there can never be enough metal worms

[lavish otter]

The last one is just

[amber egret]

this is not hard

[fallen flame]

First boss should be an overgrown earthworm

[blazing field]

personally i'd make like. one variant for either hardmode and post moon lord rather than 2

[amber egret]

i can draw thanatos

he lacks aura

[fallen flame]

Pre Desert Scourge

[blazing field]

at most

i dont think we need one for every progression tier or wtv

[blazing field]

At most i think a hostile version of burrowers in hardmode/post ml could be neat, but it's not super necessary

[amber egret]

this is helios flash

[lavish otter]

Aww, tiny

[amber egret]

also, this is a gulper eel

[lavish otter]

It can fit in the palm of my hand, it's so small

[blazing field]

jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[dull heart]

Ture

[amber egret]

i am quite difficult to be considered scared

as i make mockeries of what scares me

[blazing field]

jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[amber egret]

mista white

[fallen flame]

boo

[amber egret]

we gotta house couws

[lyric trellis]

It’s never too late to replace Thana with Deconstructor

[blazing field]

trure.

[lavish otter]

Mista Cheese, why the fuck are you green?

[dull heart]

thanatos very well may get Deconstructor's self railgun dash

When exos is redone

It's a very fun attack

[blazing field]

I feel like a dash move would work well for weaver

Just with additional vfx and things

[dull heart]

So fun fact

[blazing field]

It is supposed to be the Speed Guy after all

[lavish otter]

I'm surprised it doesn't have that already

[dull heart]

This dash was based off a scrapped weaver rework I made

But modified

[blazing field]

lol

[fallen flame]

I'm just waiting for the exo mech rework to be released and it's just wrath of the machines being the new fight

[dull heart]

In armor phase he coiled up to protect his tail and charged up a dash

[blazing field]

I think for weaver rather than a laser pointer (Which makes sense in, you know, Robot Worm) it could instead just telegraph it by like. ramping up electricity effects and aiming its heard on the player like shown there

[fallen flame]

"we worked really hard on this guys"

[blazing field]

so cool ..

free my boy

give him a good fight

free weaver 2028

[dull heart]

I would if I could

[lavish otter]

This is...kinda cool actually, why was it scrapped?

[dull heart]

but porting it to weaver mod sounds annoyingly hard

devs didn't want to do temporary reworks except where really really needed

like dog

[lavish otter]

Ahhh, fair

[blazing field]

Fair

[fallen flame]

Dog is that bad rn huh?

[dull heart]

Yes

[lavish otter]

So is a full rework planned?

[fallen flame]

Whats so bad with him

[lavish otter]

For Weeber, I mean

[dull heart]

eventually

[blazing field]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-absolute-cinema-a-guy-gif-7719966734167801090

[distant raft]

does nothing

[misty wren]

dog is really bad currently it was even worse in dev

[blazing field]

For basically every boss unless stated otherwise so yeah

[dull heart]

DoG was better a long time afo

[barren nacelle]

Dog is awful, Signus is awful, PBG is awful

[lyric trellis]

So true

[dull heart]

I watched GPS playing a video of old dog last night

[blazing field]

FREE SIGNUS

please

free him

[dull heart]

Genuinely looked so much more fun

[fallen flame]

Kinda strange considering that DoG always struck me as the "climax" boss for the mod as a whole from what I remember lol

[misty wren]

as fabsol got rid of the one part of him that actually did anything (body lasers)

[barren nacelle]

Potential man

[misty wren]

pbg i dont think is awful i think its just overtuned

[blazing field]

literally has some of the most aura in the lore as a whole and ingame hes like one of the shittiest bosses. hes barely even a boss

[dull heart]

Dog is potential worm

[fallen flame]

Pretty sure me and most of my buds knew who DoG was before calamtas

[lyric trellis]

Watching the 2018 DoG fights and going “why is this better than current”

[dull heart]

like 2018 dog looked actually fun

[barren nacelle]

Because it wasn’t difficult enough guys

You could actually have fun

[dull heart]

Honestly ngl the old clone also looked more interesting and fun

[barren nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/calamity-mod-terraria-fabsol-terraria-calamity-mod-calamity-gif-25952676

[lyric trellis]

It was certainly interesting

[dull heart]

Insane how much Fabsol went backwards with boss design

[lyric trellis]

Idk about fun

[fallen flame]

So it sounds like DoG actually had some merit before, but it's been slowly stripped away into nothingness?

[barren hollow]

I mean skill checks a lot of players even to this day. But definitely not a fun fight

[misty wren]

the only part of old clone i remember is the fakeout phase and also the weird ass splitting lasers

[blazing field]

Signus is a skill check?

[dull heart]

splitting lasers looked cool

[lyric trellis]

4 brothers and 2 have malice length flamethrowers 🔥

[lavish otter]

It's kind of funny, because so much about Fabsol's philosophy was "difficult = fun", but then he gutted bosses where the difficulty mattered the most

[barren nacelle]

Signus is the easiest of the trio in my opinion

[misty wren]

signus is hold left simulator 2018

[barren hollow]

Dog sorry

[blazing field]

Isn't he one of the easiest fights in the mod for the point you fight him at? 😭

[dull heart]

Signus is the easiest boss in the mod

[blazing field]

Ah

[lyric trellis]

Splitting lasers are cooler than hellblasts yeah

[blazing field]

Yeah i was talking about signus not dog

[barren nacelle]

You use your WoF bridge and win

[blazing field]

Dog has like

the opposite of aura dude

[lavish otter]

Like- tell me how this makes sense
It doesn't, that's how

[blazing field]

DoG has fraud energy or something

I don't know what the opposite of aura is

He smells bad

[lyric trellis]

But them being spammed with 4 brothers at once was awful

[fallen flame]

You just didn't get it

[barren nacelle]

Dog is a fraud until proven otherwise

[dull heart]

DoG aurafarms and then delivers on it about as well as your chances of getting a cheap GPU from a sketchy Chinese website actually delivered

[misty wren]

honestly i think he just got out of his prime in terms of terraria skills and nerfed stuff he couldnt beat

[blazing field]

That's about right

vs Signus actually succesfully aurafarming (In lore anyways. Ingame not really but ONE DAY

[barren nacelle]

No you don’t get it the edgy dialogue is integral to him being a good character

[dull heart]

Old dog laser walls were cooler than current public

[distant raft]

he's like piccolo except he falls off the pole

[fallen flame]

When are we getting Future Bosses back

[lyric trellis]

Which old

[dull heart]

where they constantly spawned, were slower, and had clear gaps

[barren nacelle]

Never

[misty wren]

never

[lyric trellis]

The rungod or fallgod ones

[blazing field]

I mean he WOULD say that

[wide nova]

i am the future boss

[fallen flame]

[dull heart]

The ones in the video you showed

[lyric trellis]

I showed like 4 videos

[misty wren]

that implies you have/will killed ozzatron and taken his place which we all know is impossible

[dull heart]

The first one you pulled up

[blazing field]

I'm Ozzatron.

[wide nova]

no, we are all ozzatron

[lyric trellis]

I assume you mean DoU but there was also the super slow walls you could just fallgod

[wide nova]

i am in the game

[dull heart]

Maybe it was DoU

I don't remember

It was so late

[misty wren]

there is only one ozzatron and that is the one that has built the mccluckfucker

[barren nacelle]

We are ozzatrooon, we carry the mod

[dull heart]

I think it was the fall god ones

Those were peak except the fallgod part

[balmy fossil]

will new death mode be the same as current expert death mode?

[dull heart]

But like doing them as intended

[dull heart]

no

it also gets the master changes

but like, toned down as needed

because half of them sucked

[fallen flame]

Now my million dollar question is if Fargo's Souls DLC will be updated to the new difficulties as well (and if so how long)

[dull heart]

It will be

[blazing field]

i'm so bored

i've just been talking here all night

[balmy fossil]

so king slime will still be impossible to outrun?

[misty wren]

souls dlc already has that integration doesnt it

[lyric trellis]

I mean maybe ig, DoU ones were pretty good though in comparison to current, and also 1.5 malice laser walls ngl

[blazing field]

my girlfriend is not online, roydev is dead asf right now, i can't play any games nor watch any videos due to my pc being in a Abysmal State right now

thsi shit so ass

calamity update talk is my only frontier left

[dull heart]

idk specifically what happened to king slime, but we did rebalance the master death bosses

[misty wren]

because its running half off of souls which already does the new difficulty framework

[fallen flame]

Yes, but that's based on the current difficulty sliders as of now. If they are streamlining the difficulties entirely, I doubt it will play nice as it stands

[dull heart]

go watch The Fragrant Flower Blooms With Dignity instead

Souls DLC is already working on porting to 2.1

[iron dew]

mhm

[blazing field]

I can'tttt

[dull heart]

I think at least

[blazing field]

My pc's audio broke 😭 i cant watch anyhting

[dull heart]

At least souls DLC has the option to be porting to 2.1

[blazing field]

I mean i can but like. no audio. that sucks

[misty wren]

learn how to fix pc audio

[blazing field]

It's not a software issue

The usb port broke

the one i connected my speakers to

[misty wren]

yeah learn how to fix the usb port

[fallen flame]

I only ask because for my upcoming playthrough I basically plan on playing with Calamity, Fargo's Souls/Mutant, and maybe some Calamity addons like WoTG and HftOG. I know Terraria itself is being updated as well, but I just want to make sure everything plays nice more than anything. I just like keeping things relatively clean and simple (not like my friends that download 20 different modpacks and everything just plays like a cluster :P)

[blazing field]

Beats you to death

[fallen flame]

I still remember when my friend had us download Calamity, Thorium, AND tremors of all things

And this was like 8+ years ago

What a mess

[misty wren]

i would assume it was

considering tremor hasnt existed for about that long

[fallen flame]

Well Tremors had its own problems

like, just on its own lol

[distant raft]

evil corn.......

[misty wren]

tremor is like

[fallen flame]

Even before we found out about the stolen sprite stuff, it just had poor quality control and a mess of random, inconsistent weapons and bosses

[misty wren]

what if we took all the (very much valid) criticisms of cal and turned them up a notch or 3 and put all of them into one singular mod with nothing else

[dull heart]

Just get audio smh

[fallen flame]

And also killed it 3 days after releasing it :P

[iron dew]

yep

[dull heart]

headphones go brr

[fallen flame]

My ideal blunt rotation is Terraria at 1.4.5, Calamity Sunken Sea, Fargo's 2.0, and then just making sure they all play nice with each other lol

[dull heart]

that'll take a long while

[fallen flame]

Concessions though will probably have me start after terraria 1.4.5 and brainstorm

[fallen flame]

I know (unfortunately)

[dull heart]

1.4.5 porting Tmod will be the main holdup probably

[fallen flame]

I like how they just updated Tmod knowing damn well they will just have to update again anyway in a month

[misty wren]

even that shouldnt take nearly as long as the 1.4 port took

well yeah

[dull heart]

They update literally every motnh

[misty wren]

thats how it works

[dull heart]

monthly release schedule

[fallen flame]

Oh I guess they do :P

For some reason the December one made it sound like a massive jump they havent done in a while

[dull heart]

1st of every month they release stuff and that'll continue while the port happens

[fallen flame]

Well in any case this truly is my Journey's End

[misty wren]

some of them are a lot bigger than others

[fallen flame]

(of waiting to play)

[rich ginkgo]

like the achievements one

wasnt that the biggest one recently

[misty wren]

idk i dont keep up with tmod news much anymore

[fallen flame]

I currently have 0 hours played

which means that my modded playthrough earlier in life must've just been from steam workshop for base terraria lol

[lapis oak]

calamity

[high scaffold]

Brainstorm

[orchid finch]

weed eater

[high scaffold]

1.4.5 tomorrow

Me when vanila devs add mini light and shadows to the game

[tall relic]

Wait grape beer is going to make the ranger class diabolically broken no?

[distant raft]

you both overestimate the power of homing and underestimate how much damage crits deal

[fathom girder]

It's gonna be swag in every class potentially

[high scaffold]

Grape beer is going to be the skill issue alcohol

[fathom girder]

I'm here for it

[high scaffold]

White vine

Aka true melee alcohol

[still bluff]

chlorophyte bullet alcohol

[high scaffold]

I like high velocity bullets more

[fathom girder]

I said it before but

Luminite bullets with this will be a banger

[high scaffold]

Grape beer? More like "tried actualy aiming?" beer

[orchid finch]

grape beer makes you so drunk that, to compensate its fault, it helps you aim

[inner timber]

are the ore slimes planned to be removed at some point

[lapis oak]

yes

dummy

[inner timber]

you hate me

[lapis oak]

didn't draw fat Neco Arc

sad face

[inner timber]

i was just asking cuz i had an idea to like . spice them up ig . then i was like, well thats not really necessary if they're getting shot dead at some point

[lapis oak]

spice up the Devil Fish instead

[inner timber]

yeah but i didnt have random ideas to spice them up

[lyric trellis]

Spice up the YuH slime

[cobalt wharf]

SURELY they wouldn’t make a mistake like allowing the homing to continue after pierce hits

…surely

[barren hollow]

That would be hysterical and I hope no dev see this message

[modern grove]

Wall of flesh should be replaced with a new boss called the burglar of flesh

[distant raft]

what instead of the burglar of flesh it was the burglar of ham

[modern grove]

Hamburglar

[orchid finch]

I think they should replace WoF with Happy the Humble Heifer

[cold mica]

so sorry for the million + 1 ask, is there going to be/has there been an update to Calamity to use the latest TModloader version?
mine is still saying its not and wont let me load it, so its broken my mega modded world

[orchid finch]

1. #help-advice-read-pins message
2. This is not Calamity's fault and probably a fault of some mod that got outdated or what have you

[cold mica]

cheers, will try that and see what happens.
it has also been recently saying some other mods were uninstalled so maybe it was a tmodloader issue with that, no idea.
just didnt think to do the verify files thing because just didnt seem like an issue from what the message was saying in game,
but should have known better that it would be a silly tech thing/fix

[orchid finch]

eh, verifying files usually corrects any weirdly downloaded mods and updates all the mods that hadn't caught up

[stuck kite]

the default error message for <mod is not updated for version x of tmodloader> is 90%+ a false positive its kind of surprising how it is currently held up til now

[cold mica]

yea, i know some of my other mods have been removed from the workshop, like Fargos Community Souls, which apparently is being split into 2 versions when Fargos 2.0 finally drops,
but you would still think tmodloader would look at whats installed in the local files as well and not remove them because, even if things get removed from the workshop, Steam still has a record of you being subscribed and even says so, just to a blank no name item.

ah well, hopefully this fixes Calamity, because it is kinda the dependecy for a fair amount of the other mods that run along side it

[orchid finch]

the

the what community souls

[cold mica]

https://terrariamods.wiki.gg/wiki/Community_Souls_Expansion

[orchid finch]

that's no good

[cold mica]

its the best i can give an explanation of what it is really

[orchid finch]

generally when it comes to Fargo's Souls, don't use any side mods, just stick to the official DLC

reason being, it'll for sure be an unbalanced mess that's either gonna be too easy to play or not fun at all

[cold mica]

but i like unbalanced messes

[distant raft]

didnt this get taken down

yeah

[cold mica]

yes, but i dont know if it was taken down as it did something bad,
or because it was discontinued and is being broken into 2 different mods when fargo 2.0 drops

[distant raft]

its likely not gonna be continued due to them realising that it is in fact not easy to make content thats better than ok

iirc shortly before it got taken down it was renamed to Community Souls Expansion [DISCONTINUED]

[cold mica]

yes, and they said as an update before it got taken down, the reason its discontinued is being its being broken into 2 different mods that handle different other mods, like Shadows of Abaddon being on 1 of them, and Spirit being on the 2nd, when fargo 2.0 drops

[distant raft]

the only thing is that it takes an absurd amount of effort to make a compatibility mod like that

[cold mica]

as for what happened after they said its being discontinued, and why its now taken down, no idea of that

[distant raft]

souls dlc's current progress on calamity compatibility i'd say is at ~40%

and its been a bit over 2 years

[cold mica]

anyway, was just trying to check if the tmodlader error issue was because calamity was running an old version or something, and hadnt sent an update to the latest tmod version,
or as it turned out to be, tmod is having a brain fart

[distant raft]

yeah that happens sometimes

make sure to not use modpacks

[orchid finch]

rome wasn't built in a day

[gloomy grove]

🔥 ✍️

[orchid finch]

I mean the team is currently focused on Souls update and polishing the content for it

and it's been... almost a year I feel like

[cold mica]

and i suppose further on that, the offical fargo calamity dlc is done by the actual fargo team themself, so not only do they have the original mod itself to work on, but then also the addon/dlc.
where as the fanmade/community mods can just focus on only their mod.
so could just be too busy on other things, whereas community has their own time

[orchid finch]

yes

and

unlike the fanmade mods, the official DLC actually tries to make the game balance and work properly

[cold mica]

though, what is true balance when it comes to things like Fargos and previously Calamity for the longest time (though thats comparing to vanilla terraria)

but if you mean more balance within itself, then sure

[orchid finch]

having the bosses not die in milliseconds
reworks for the AI
balancing both Calamity's and Fargo's content
making some bosses (cough cough Golem) not impossible to fight

[cold mica]

🙁 verify did not work and its vers 2.0.7.2

[orchid finch]

like I said, Calamity is not at fault here, it's one of your other mods

your best bet is to manually sieve through them by disabling one by one

[cold mica]

yea, just disabled all mods, then only enabled calamity... it then worked,
so must be one of the fan addons....
gonna guess that trying to question why tmod says Calamity is the issue is going to be a trip into insanity of looking for an answer that either makes no sense or does not exist?

[orchid finch]

yes

[misty wren]

it just does that sometimes

[cold mica]

ah well, at least got to the bottom of it, and it was as you were saying much before, Zav.
just had to experience/learn the hard way for myself

might want to add it to the pin as one of the possible reasons:
it can be due to another mod messing with calamity and is due to that mod, and its blaming calamity instead.

Found the addon mod, and believe it or not, was the Community Souls Expansion i mentioned previously, because the dates matched,
because added it this time, and instead of saying calamity, it was just blank on the mod name.
🙂 cheers tmod for making me schizo thinking it was calamity.

[vestal osprey]

Well I got insomnia and cant sleep, wonder what the server is like at night time

[orchid finch]

full of Calamity fans from the other side of the Earth, obviously

[cold mica]

yea, and in the land down under its only about 7pm

[orchid finch]

the where

[gloomy grove]

just you wait till the mandarin starts coming in

[cold mica]

australia

[gloomy grove]

id assume australia

[orchid finch]

is it really that late already in there

(well tbf it's about 5pm at my place so)

[grim atlas]

do you come from a land down under

[orchid finch]

do I look like a dwarf

[grim atlas]

yes

[orchid finch]

I'm 5'10''

[grim atlas]

ok? im jupiter

[orchid finch]

damn

[cunning sequoia]

poopiter

[orchid finch]

well, I have nothing against a whole ass gas giant

[grim atlas]

excuse you

[thick parrot]

gotta remember that jupiter protects Earth from asteroids too

very helpful

[tribal isle]

oi

[grim atlas]

that's just because i get hungry and like to eat rocks

[trail mirage]

I'm concerned about the state of low% runs after the Brainstorm update changing Ravager. He's a core part of low% runs and if he can't be summoned until after Providence is dead or doesn't drop the geodes anymore it could make it so we would need more than 8 bosses to beat the game

[tribal isle]

devs hate low%

[blazing field]

He's a core part of low% runs and if he can't be summoned until after Providence is dead

Ravager isn't being retiered yet, that's only for his actual rework later

All he got are minor tweakas

Also pretty sure low% is even less bosses after brainstorm

this

[trail mirage]

If it's only minor changes to ravager than I still think it would be 8 bosses, not counting secret seeds

But I haven't looked through the entire changelog

[blazing field]

The changes are like, you need to hit his walls with pickaxes now

It dosen't change anything about his placement in progression

[gloomy grove]

completely bricks low% 😔

[blazing field]

Again

tier change will only happen after the boss is properly reworked

[trail mirage]

Good to know

I'm very excited for Brainstorm and that was literally my only concern but again I could've missed something in the changelog

[blazing field]

There's some changes not listed in the changelogs but i believe not that many

Doze's new lightning system for the abyss and Phantomic Artifact rework are the one we know of

And might just be the only ones anyways

[halcyon seal]

Oh shit right bakidon and cosmolight are coming

That’s gonna be neat

[trail mirage]

Wow it might actually be a useful accessory then

[placid kite]

what changelog?

[cunning sequoia]

#changelogs

[orchid finch]

#changelogs

who's the snail

legit question

[cunning sequoia]

mike, replay please

[steady sun]

you

[orchid finch]

[steady sun]

back to hibernation

[high scaffold]

1.4.5 is almost confirmed to come out in a week or two

[orchid finch]

devs said "we'll have a release date in a week", not "we'll release in a week"

that's a lot of words missing

[high scaffold]

Thats why I said "or two"

[tribal isle]

changelogs in less than three

[fierce nebula]

Yeah brainstorm is releasing today too

And trove 2 is already out

[thick parrot]

damn, that's a name i haven't heard in a while

trove

[tribal isle]

is that the guy that has his vanity set

[orchid finch]

that is a

[fierce nebula]

that

[orchid finch]

Terraria developer

[tribal isle]

yeah he has a vanity set

[orchid finch]

who

[tribal isle]

in game

[orchid finch]

has

yes

[fierce nebula]

Because he’a a developer yes

There are developer vanities

[tribal isle]

do you become a developer once you get your vanity set in

[fierce nebula]

[orchid finch]

fun fact: non-developers do not have a vanity set. If you have one - you're a fraud

[fierce nebula]

✅

[tribal isle]

is the minecraft creeper a developer

[orchid finch]

yes

Notch contributed to the game

[fierce nebula]

No the minecraft creeper is a fraud

[orchid finch]

by making this little indie title called Minecraft

and thus inspiring Terraria

[fierce nebula]

Minecraft 2

[tribal isle]

does this imply terraria is 2d minecraft

[orchid finch]

no

[potent dirge]

guys ive never played calamity before, isnt there a starter npc for calamity?

[orchid finch]

it implies that Terraria (/təˈrɛəriə/ ⓘ tə-RAIR-ee-ə[7]) is a 2011 action-adventure video game developed by Re-Logic and published by 505 Games.[a][b] As a sandbox game, Terraria has no set goals. After creating the player character and choosing the game's difficulty, the player is placed in a two-dimensional, procedurally generated world where they explore, fight enemies, gather resources, and craft equipment. Players beat bosses, a tougher variety of enemies, to gain access to more items, resources, and equipment. By completing select goals, players receive access to non-player characters (NPCs) who sell items and offer services, such as healing and fishing quests. Terraria can be played alone or with others, and features support for modding.

[orchid finch]

no

[tribal isle]

did you no hit all of death mode to get the role

[orchid finch]

revengeance actually

death is Dead Inside

and it was way back, they don't give these anymore

[tribal isle]

did they watch your entire playthrough

to confirm you didnt get hit

[orchid finch]

also for future questions go to #help-advice-read-pins, this is for discussing future Calamity updates

[orchid finch]

kinda, yeah

I recorded boss fights and submitted them to a special place

and they verified them

and I got the role

[stone fiber]

Give this man a

[still bluff]

Congrats is trash personally watched your entire playthrough including worldgen

[orchid finch]

no way, did cit somehow acquire access to my PC?

[fierce nebula]

It is

[orchid finch]

thank god we have reinstalled windows like 5 times ever since

[still bluff]

Shark has access to everyone's pcs

[orchid finch]

no way

that must be illegal

[stone fiber]

Explode

[still bluff]

Can't arrest an aquatic creature

[fierce nebula]

🫧 🐠

[orchid finch]

🎣

[pseudo vector]

no lol
i don't have a dev vanity, dev pet or dev weapon and i've been on the team for 5 years (technically)

[blazing field]

change my logs ! my logs. cahnge them

[tribal isle]

how do they know you didnt get hit by a zombie right before the bossfight

[fierce nebula]

I think he’s talking about vanilla devs

[orchid finch]

Terraria fans defending that their favorite game isn't "2D Minecraft" when it literally is

[still bluff]

I need a dev pet that's a rain world slugcat

[orchid finch]

well I simply didn't get hit

[blazing field]

i need a dev item that makes me kill everyone

im developer btw

[orchid finch]

that's kevin

[blazing field]

it is me. developer

[still bluff]

Sometimes it randomly spears you in the back of the head and you die instantly

[orchid finch]

you're late to the party

[fierce nebula]

Mid ragebait

[blazing field]

thats my name

[tribal isle]

just add that to reign of yharim

[blazing field]

its on my id

legal name developer

[pseudo vector]

i've had some ideas for my dev items or whatever

[still bluff]

Cheese (developer) calamity

[pseudo vector]

it wouldn't be the edge of destiny sword cuz that's my dev murasama

[still bluff]

I have no clue what I want for dev murasama

[still bluff]

It'll probably be an elaborate shitpost

[dusk bronze]

bast statue on a stick

[blazing field]

make it a elongated bast statue

[orchid finch]

I always thought what my dev item would be and I always came to the conclusion that I want it to be a vanity with whatever

[blazing field]

like just really stretched out

[orchid finch]

because I am that badass

[tribal isle]

what would your vanity set be

[still bluff]

Cheese that's a horrifying concept

[stone fiber]

Make it a void worm

[still bluff]

Wait true?

[blazing field]

that's how you know its good

[still bluff]

Things it hit get saint blast effects

[stone fiber]

[pseudo vector]

probably my sona

the robot guy in my pfp

[orchid finch]

the guy does look neat tbf

[tribal isle]

truth

[modern grove]

Kill 7 billion testers

[stone fiber]

For real though, how many devs don't have their items yet?

[tribal isle]

kiri

[stone fiber]

And how many have stated their plans for them?

[still bluff]

Like
Most of the newer ones

Lol

Doze is one of the only ones who's done proper work on implementing his
Mine's technically been coded but that's because I'm using something fry made ages ago that I still love

[modern grove]

How cascadian

[amber furnace]

I wish I could have gotten my donor item if I had the chance

before they stopped adding them

[modern grove]

That's what they all say

[stuck kite]

i havent considered anything

[polar tide]

ugly

[pseudo vector]

:(

[polar tide]

SORRY

HESNOT UGLY IM SORRY

[stone fiber]

[vivid hemlock]

🍅

[polar tide]

IM SORRY IM SORRY IM SO FUCKING SORRY

[stone fiber]

When were they available?

[still bluff]

Many years ago

[hasty tangle]

i think they closed at the end of 2020

[still bluff]

Before I joined the server (nothing was real before then)

[modern grove]

In the ancient times before the great sin

Before the 22...

[pseudo vector]

patreon items were stopped because the backlog got so huge

(a backlog that still exists btw)

[hasty tangle]

how long is it now

[pseudo vector]

uhhhh, brainstorm adds a good few (including the single most complex weapon in calamity history, thank you whoever requested for that patreon item)

there's still a good amount left in the backlog

[hasty tangle]

ive asked this like 4 times and it seems like no one knows the answer

is there a list somewhere?

[pseudo vector]

we have the list on a place where we keep track of a ton of content

[still bluff]

Yea there's a list

I was going to open it and give an estimate but my phone refused

[pseudo vector]

i can do it

i'm on my pc rn

[hasty tangle]

the list is so big that it crashed your phone? 😔

[still bluff]

No my phone just didn't like the sheet lmao

[pseudo vector]

there's 42 patreon items that are at variable stages of progression that isn't the testing phase

[hasty tangle]

alright, thank you

[pseudo vector]

most of which are in asset production

[still bluff]

Most have someone down to make their sprites now

Ofc it's been 5 years so who knows how long that'll take

[pseudo vector]

even multiple years after we stopped offering them we're still catching up

they'll all be done eventually

[still bluff]

Another 5 years