calamity-update-talk

[misty wren]

like 1.5.3.6 exos were genuinely a really fun fight but they got nerfed like 17 times so now they just dont do anything

[raw pendant]

I actually find them to be very bullshit alot

Especially when all together

Nerfing isn't the problem

It's the fairness

They are pretty tame (too tame for who their meant to be) but hit you very unfairly

[lyric trellis]

1.5.1 right

[raw pendant]

Wrath of the machines is a very good example for a possible glow up

But even I'm not huge on wotm

[tropic jolt]

😍 I love wotm

[raw pendant]

It just feels way too

Bouncy

If that makes sense

[misty wren]

oh wait yeah

[raw pendant]

But the thing that makes them cool

[distant raft]

maso exos are a bit squishy

[misty wren]

sorry i mixed it up with vanilla 1.4.3.6

[tropic jolt]

yeah but I like bouncy

[distant raft]

fight's over way faster than basecal

[raw pendant]

They have well designed attacks and have different combos, and cool visuals that I like (half of the time)

It's basically infernum but better but bouncier

[fathom girder]

I love spectacle boss fights 🔥

I'm certain the devs have a different way to go about it than copying what someone else did

[raw pendant]

Actually I think I have a good explantaion

Alot of movements feel forced

[distant raft]

i like how in maso exos its possible to die, unlike basecal exos

[raw pendant]

Major disagree

Basically exos are so bs

[distant raft]

the A button:

[raw pendant]

It's fairly boring and the attacks hit you unfairly alot

Mainly when together

[misty wren]

yeah nah base exos are not hard

[raw pendant]

Not hard just unfair

There's a difference

[fathom girder]

Not very unfair either

Go left

Jump up and down

[raw pendant]

What if I told you

[fathom girder]

Bam you're good

[raw pendant]

Fab did the exos ai

[distant raft]

the hardest attack of basecal exos imo is thanatos' deathray but thats just because its movement is shit

[raw pendant]

Do you agree now?

[fathom girder]

No

[misty wren]

no

[fathom girder]

Stop being silly

Fab was just a master of poor boss design lol

[raw pendant]

Its like one of the easiest imo

[fathom girder]

Not specifically bs design

[misty wren]

using "but fabsol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is a shitty argument to justify not liking something

[raw pendant]

If your careful

If your dancing around like a jackass

You gonna get hit

[misty wren]

i wont defend fabsol but invoking his name is not a good enough argument on its own

[twin juniper]

can we make apollo’s berserk good

[raw pendant]

I just thought it'd be funny to say tbh lol

[dusty tinsel]

I mean if it's bad design it's bad design and you can blame the guy who coded it 😂

[raw pendant]

Im not actually serious

He made Guardians fight yet

That's like one of my favorites in the entire mod

[misty wren]

i mean yeah

but you can also look at the reasons why the fight is bad rather than saying "its bad because x guy made it"

[raw pendant]

The visuals are cool and not over the top, their attacks feel unique from eachother and carry over to providence fight very naturally without it feeling like stolen attacks, the attacks are very fair and the difficulty is good, and the guardians all have good hp values

[dusty tinsel]

Well obviously not every boss he coded sucked

[raw pendant]

I just really like them

Can they be cooler? Fuck yeah but

I'm happy with how they are

[dusty tinsel]

Mod is bad fabsol coded stuff in it /j

[tropic jolt]

fabsol woke up one day and chose to make both profaned bosses good but the mold got to his brain shortly after

[raw pendant]

Providence on the other hand

I dont like that much

Honestly

It's an okay fight

But for such a character and theme

The fight design is underwhelming

Some attacks are not very fitting

But I do like her new visuals

[tropic jolt]

could you elaborate on the attacks not fitting because I never get what people mean when they say that

[raw pendant]

The floor blobs are just so odd

Firstly

Her laser is not the worst but it's so odd to me

The crystal rain attack is just straight lines

[tropic jolt]

the floor blobs I get thats definitely the most annoying part of the fight and honestly just an eyesore

[raw pendant]

The Guardians phase is something I find kinda cool but it's getting cut so thats no fun

Ik they didn't do much

But the idea (and execution kinda) of her constructing her Guardians to aid her because she's worried about being defeated is honestly just cool to me

And helps make the fight slightly less samey

And she calms tf down on her attacks which helps with the pacing

But you panic because you know she's being healed and defended at the same time

[tribal isle]

when will astrum aureus get deleted

[raw pendant]

So its a cool tradeoff

But of course

They're removing that

The stars? I've always disliked how they are handled

[lean relic]

Doing that will likely cause Catalyst to scrap upcoming boss

[tribal isle]

There's more bosses upcoming?

[arctic cliff]

dont tell me catalyst's upcoming boss is just exo aureus

[tribal isle]

I don't think aureus is integral to anyone or anything

[terse dew]

Astrum Aureus will be replaced with Astrum Amongus

[lean relic]

They told that there's a boss in the upcoming content before
But don't know what boss exactly is

[tropic jolt]

aureus is integral to ravager and golem because they rely on each other for self confidence

[arctic cliff]

i dont think your mom is integral to anyone or anything

[terse dew]

It will be a new unique boss that will jump up and then slam back down on the ground

Never seen before

[tropic jolt]

prince slime!

[terse dew]

It might also shoot a projectile or two

[tribal isle]

Royal guard slime

[terse dew]

Never heard of it

This is a new boss design never ever seen before

This is a new boss design never ever seen before

[lean relic]

Oh also they revealed it's related to astral long ago

[terse dew]

why did that send twice

😨

[lean relic]

discord moment

[tropic jolt]

never ever? 😲

[terse dew]

Never even heard of something jumping before and then slamming the ground

🙂‍↕️

[tribal isle]

Guys guys
I have a CRAZY boss idea
Imagine, a boss with MULTIPLE SEGMENTS of its body and they're connected and it's like a snake or a worm of some sort

[terse dew]

woah

[tribal isle]

and it goes up and down THROUGH THE GROUND

[tropic jolt]

that would never work

[distant raft]

mobile probably

[dull heart]

It's a new message never ever seen before

[signal imp]

you MIGHT be cooking here

maybe it could like charge at the player? and shoot projectiles from its body segments?

[lean relic]

Oh yeah I forgot about this
#calamity-update-talk message

[rare tinsel]

ram nerf ❤️

[buoyant pulsar]

shoutout to trans people

[stiff light]

true

w tran people

[brave star]

Trans people are cinema

Like Lucille

Cibles and VyletBunni too

[stiff light]

but only them

[native thistle]

This channel is sponsored by trans people

[raw pendant]

necroposting but

why

this genuinely sad

does ankh shield go into another line or

is the ankh shield the end

[inner timber]

ankh is probably the end

i wonder if elysian aegis keeps its immunities

[inner timber]

if it got a line extension it could be funny to see it merged with ddiver

[wicked temple]

im trans people

[hard copper]

add ankh to rampart

[inner timber]

could work tbh

actually ramp probably doesnt need if

it

it already has paladin's doesnt it

[hard copper]

yeah

[arctic cliff]

huge doubt, I think it’ll be moved elsewhere

[inner timber]

i cant see anywhere it would lead to without like adding an extra accessory line in, nd like even then its usability would probably be in an odd place considering the defense flattening

and ankh shield & below is mostly just the kb immunity + some benefits, and like a little bit past ankh you get paladin shield & its upgrades

maybe i could see like,, a hero shield line that incorporates ankh somehow?? since rampart is frozen shield

hp and debuff immunity/reduction as opposed to dr and iframes

[terse dew]

kb immunity should still be on the shields even with ankh immunities gone

imo

[inner timber]

i figured they would be

[terse dew]

if they're not I'll yell about it in caldev

🙂‍↕️

[inner timber]

at least elysian and asgardian would keep it (reasonably) since elysian has kb immunity inherently

[arctic cliff]

combine it with like laudanum as an alternative to osc

[inner timber]

dropping it from valor could make sense

[terse dew]

since the main concern they had was with the immunities

and not ignoring kb

[inner timber]

world's most niche item

osc at least has the rage and adrenaline benefits

also i feel having the ankh shield upgrade being locked to rev would be silly

[terse dew]

we should rename stress pills to Adderall and now they exist as a minigame where you need to take them constantly as the player develops an addiction to them

and if you don't take them every few minutes you experience random debuffs and impairments

in exchange, rage and adrenaline charge 250% faster

😊

Game design

[inner timber]

fuck it bro

I'll take it

[cinder hearth]

One of said debuffs is when you're trying to craft or equip something you have a random chance to not do it immediately and then remember 5 minutes later

[terse dew]

items mysterious vanish from your inventory and appear randomly in the world

[inner timber]

i think if the terrarian has adhd they are like vastly less likely to actually get addicted cuz they'd just forget to take it enough to get addicted

[earnest jewel]

Good thing it's up to YOU!

[terse dew]

The terrarian is actually NT and just found them randomly one day

[inner timber]

this is from a game design standpoint you cant just be like "oh this doesnt affect you bc you pressed this button that said you have this condition"

[earnest jewel]

Do we need shorthand for neurotypicals?

[terse dew]

idk I say NT all the time though irl

[terse dew]

50% chance to craft items twice every time you make one

[earnest jewel]

Add realistic alcoholism mechanics.

[terse dew]

Irrational rage

friendly fire

uncontrollable sobbing

safe driving

[cinder hearth]

Reduced coordination which makes your speed AND your aim fluctuate

At random

And if you change direction too much in a short amount of time you vomit

Which removes all your buffs

[real axle]

Make Alcohol poisoning no longer a DoT effect and instead make it slowly harm the terrarian over the course of years with debilitating conditions

[tiny lark]

my terrarian getting a 30 stack of everclear endlessly put into her body

[cinder hearth]

Npcs except the Tavernkeep, demolitionist and party girl all raise their prices or refuse to sell you anything when drunk

[real axle]

Actually, that makes me think. How funny would a tripping mechanic be, where you have a random chance to fall over when walking?

[tiny lark]

Holy shit you’ve reinvented Brawl

[cinder hearth]

Super smash bros brawl tried it

That made flying characters even better

One of which was meta knight

[real axle]

I imagine it wasn't very fun overall, though

[tiny lark]

Golem when it fucking trips and dies in its own arena

[inner timber]

welcome back meta knight

[inner timber]

it was straight dogshit

[cinder hearth]

Honestly I quite liked the game but that's because I was a child and didn't play competitively

[inner timber]

it was like the slowest fucking game in the series and also actively punished you for being grounded

[cinder hearth]

Subspace emissary was peak tho

[real axle]

I've only ever played ultimate, so I don't know how it compares to the rest of the series

[inner timber]

imagine you're hitting the nastiest combo and you drop it cuz you tripped

[hard hearth]

brawl had subspace emissary

only the best feature in entire smash franchise

[inner timber]

also thank fucking god mac wasnt a character in brawl yet

[tiny lark]

Imagine mac in fucking brawl lmfao

[inner timber]

mac in brawl wouldnt have been playable dawg

"ah yes my entire gimmick is sucking dogshit in the air" and its smash bros aerial edition

[hard hearth]

mac in brawl would be immune to tripping

[dull heart]

not currently

[oblique escarp]

why is desert scourge being resprited I forgot

[dull heart]

because it's peak

[dull heart]

L take

[inner timber]

i think he still is like bottom 3 regardless i doubt he'd have any way to touch mk and the tier lists were literally "how good is the mk matchup"

[inner timber]

the tripping

not brawl itself

specifically the trippih

[dull heart]

oh ok

true

[inner timber]

brawl was better than 4 id rather deal with mk than bayo

plus subspacr

[pseudo vector]

fight is getting a full rework from the ground up

[dull heart]

ultimate is best because byleth so

[pseudo vector]

basically a brand new fight

[inner timber]

mk at least looked cool besting your ass, bayo had like 2 combos and they both looked the same

[oblique escarp]

is it for SSO?

[pseudo vector]

yes

[inner timber]

worm swarm at 50% where he spawns 300 nuisances

[real axle]

Wait, is the lizard resprite going to be in SSO?

[inner timber]

this would be funny as fuck actually

[oblique escarp]

unironically something Fab would make for master mode

[inner timber]

fab just had him stay during nuisance phase

besides worm swarm is deus's thing

and eow but deus did it better

[pseudo vector]

yes

[torn kite]

Current design is made by a pedophile

That's kinda not cool

And beside that it's just lame

[hushed hazel]

This is not wholesome 100

[torn kite]

Unoriginal spiky work boss number 896

Big mandibles

[torn kite]

Everyone disliked this
I want every gun aimed at this man
Reddit coal

[pseudo vector]

i'm almost done with silksong, so i'll be able to come back to working on stuff soon :D

[cobalt wharf]

no he didn’t

one thing people get wrong about brawl when talking abt it is meta knight did not do combos or strings

he got like 2 or 3 hit strings with upair sometimes

he was broken because of the Everything Else

(mostly tornado)

[dusk bronze]

how are you liking it so far

[pseudo vector]

my personal game of the year and it isn't really that close

like its one of my all time favourites

[dusk bronze]

nice

i should probably get around to playing hk tbh

[inner timber]

ive seen da tournaments he did in fact look cooler than bayo

[native thistle]

expedition 33 is pretty close, but silksong takes the cake for me.

[frail tapir]

how about some armor set i remember the spoiler being arsenal armor

[dusk bronze]

tier 1 arsenal armor will almost certainly be in the update

none of the other tiers though

here is every weapon rework in the changelogs so far (image 1) and other weapon changes in the changelogs (image 2)

courtesy of orios

in the pins there's also a google doc of nearly everything known to be coming in future updates

even past the next one

[frail tapir]

wait remove? is this the same case with butcher?

[dusk bronze]

butcher was effectively replaced with buzzkill

but it's the same weapon in the code

just everything about it is completely different

same with elemental eruption and superradiant slaughterer

those were both added in the june hotfix

[frail tapir]

seems like video guide even from 4 months ago wasnt the best thing i need to know

[dusk bronze]

youtube videos are extremely, extremely unreliable

and are often just completely made up

[desert garnet]

true

[frail tapir]

some plague bringer goliath weapon also removed?

[lapis oak]

PBG has too much stuff

[frail tapir]

too unreliable, the video litterly uses old sprites and name making me confuse

[dusk bronze]

lmao

[lapis oak]

the update was 3 months ago

so ye, older than that and it's outdated

[hoary edge]

yo hold on
new lucrecia lookin clean 👀

[real axle]

Wait, Asteriod staff and Wrath of the Ancients are both being removed in SSO?

[hoary edge]

yea I think

[real axle]

[main estuary]

some of these weapons are just pretty niche and act as weapon bloat

i don't mind their removal

[real axle]

My broken mage weapons tho

[hoary edge]

I like magic guns so I'll let that slide

[stuck kite]

if you like asteroid staff i recommend you use lunar flare

it's basically the same type of weapon anyway

[real axle]

That's true

[torn kite]

?????????? What the hell?

Is this real???

[stuck kite]

yeah

[torn kite]

Crazy

Was this a dev resprite or a submission?

[silk terrace]

asset submission

[torn kite]

Even crazier

[spark kiln]

what so crazy about it

[maiden sail]

is the iridescent excalibur going to be resprited? and the warhammer of might?

[torn kite]

It's almost the same design with very little of sprite quality improvement, I'm very surprised it got accepted
Not necessarily saying it's a bad sprite it's just kinda not good enough

[maiden sail]

oh wait mb it's just the warhammer. still looks really cool though

[pulsar cobalt]

iri excal is getting removed

[clear compass]

I love the reworks from what I’ve seen so far already

I need them

I need sso

[stuck kite]

one day

[spark kiln]

would be nice to have a smaller update with some of the finished weapon reworks

[mystic eagle]

I don't get why Iri's sprite is going to replace Orderbringer's sprite

Like what

That kind of feels really out of place for post DoG

[distant raft]

post yharon

[lapis oak]

post Yharon yes

[lapis oak]

it's Auric tier

[cunning sequoia]

ngl minus the colors, orderbringer just looks so much better

[mystic eagle]

I can relate

ngl I prefer Orderbringer's colours aswell as they're much more vibrant

[lapis oak]

art devs preferred Excal sprite

[cunning sequoia]

well it's their call

[lapis oak]

they said Orderbringer is mid

[valid crypt]

Orderbringer but with the gay colouring…

[cunning sequoia]

personally i don't agree

[pulsar cobalt]

you dont agree with gay colouring?

shame on you garbo

[lapis oak]

well maybe not mid might have worded what Tringle said kinda weirdly here but ye

he preferred Excal

[vivid hemlock]

kiri are you real

[lapis oak]

🤬 wat you mean by that

[cunning sequoia]

what...

no i prefer it

i like the rainbows :3

[lapis oak]

I'm playing PvZ 2 right now do not disturb me

[cunning sequoia]

i dont like the sprite itself

[vivid hemlock]

i will disturb you

[lapis oak]

😡

[pulsar cobalt]

@lapis oak disturbs you

[lapis oak]

f u

[valid crypt]

@lapis oak

[vivid hemlock]

uhh

i think polyperils are cool

okay thats my word quota for the day

[pseudo vector]

chat guess what

skong done (for now)

[vivid hemlock]

smh 24% left

[pseudo vector]

completionism will be my downfall bro

[lapis oak]

76% it's over for you

washed

[fringe quiver]

Goat washed...

[cunning sequoia]

lmfaoo that time spent

i'd have a similar time if i didnt pause the game so often

100 hours on steam and 60 on my file

[pseudo vector]

i have 76 hours on steam

[cunning sequoia]

im speaking out of a 100% save file so

have fun :3

[pseudo vector]

i’m gonna take it much slower now that i’ve beaten the game

i don’t have the pressure of spoilers on my shoulders anymore

[cunning sequoia]

well

i'd take it easy anyway

you've got 76%

[stone zephyr]

bro why didnt it show me my completion rate

i beat the game in 24 hours

[cunning sequoia]

you need to collect something that shows it to you

[stone zephyr]

guh

wher

[cunning sequoia]

spoilers ||go do side quests and find fleas, then try talking with caretaker once in a while||

[stone zephyr]

gotcha thank yous :D

though i coulda sworn i did do that but ill check back

[cunning sequoia]

there may be more to the game than you thought is all i'll say

:3

[stone zephyr]

haha ive heard and been spoiled a little but not too much , excited for more thouggh definitley

i want a godhome dlc

[cunning sequoia]

godhome will prob be the last dlc again

since future dlcs will surely add more bosses and stuff

[stone zephyr]

oooo maybe true

i saw a mod that let you load boss states so i might do that

[cunning sequoia]

i wanna fight ||first sinner|| again

and again

and again

[pseudo vector]

considering how hard the bosses are in base silksong i'm kinda scared of how hard potential dlc bosses could be

[stone zephyr]

havent done that yet but ive heard the name

[cunning sequoia]

go explore

[pseudo vector]

silksong's difficulty peaks are on par with bosses found exclusively in godhome

[cunning sequoia]

it's the best boss in the game imo

[stone zephyr]

i ammm

[pseudo vector]

true final boss is a genuine masterclass in boss design imo

[stone zephyr]

||lace2|| was pretty good

[cunning sequoia]

||widow|| is like harder than sly and one is a midgame boss

meanwhile ||first sinner|| is basically pure vessel on crack

[stone zephyr]

i gotta grind godhome thats so my type of thing

[pseudo vector]

||first sinner|| is just ||widow|| if it was good

[cunning sequoia]

they're both good tbh

[halcyon seal]

im convinced that those 2 years they spent polishing the game was actually just playing dark souls 2

[cunning sequoia]

one is just

significantly better than the other

[pseudo vector]

it legit fixes all the problems i had with ||widow||

[cunning sequoia]

it's like hollow knight and pure vessel

[pseudo vector]

bouncing projectiles my behated

[cunning sequoia]

a good boss and an absolutely amazing boss

[halcyon seal]

i should get back on skong

last time i played i was going through ||choral chambers||

[cunning sequoia]

im tempted to start doing steel soul

wanna see how far i can get without save and quit cheese

[stone zephyr]

its so huge

[pseudo vector]

steel soul scares me

[cunning sequoia]

oh im fucking terrified

[halcyon seal]

im just glad it gives me money

[stone zephyr]

true

[halcyon seal]

oh yeah i also did ||the slab sequence||

||naked hornet|| is now in my nightmares

[white aurora]

||last judge||is the boss that just made the game fully click for me ngl

[pseudo vector]

considering i took 60 hours (according to the game) to get the true ending and i died countless times

[halcyon seal]

rn trying to figure out how to do shit in ||mount fay||

[cunning sequoia]

i think it's gonna be easier knowing things about the game and getting used to the movement

[pseudo vector]

yeah

you know how the game works now

it's gonna be easier for you

[cunning sequoia]

its still gonna be tough as shit for some of them

[pseudo vector]

oh yeah this game's difficulty curve is STEEP

[cunning sequoia]

honestly the curve isnt even steep when just looking at the game itself

[pseudo vector]

once you reach the endgame bosses though they're definitely designed around you having essentially full mastery of the game's mechanics and such

[cunning sequoia]

it's absolutely gigantic compared to hollow knight

the environments especially

are so much more difficult

even more on release when 99% of things did double dmg

[pseudo vector]

the game as a whole is much harder

endgame silksong bosses are as hard as godhome boss variants in og hk

[pulsar cobalt]

i had a similar time for ||true ending. had 96% completion,,,, you have a lot of explorting to do,,,,,,,,,||

[pseudo vector]

i know i have a lot of work to do LOL

[cunning sequoia]

ughhh im gonna have to do full of hall of gods in silksong...

[pseudo vector]

i need a lot of tools, charms and such

[cunning sequoia]

some of those radiant bosses are gonna drive me mad i can tell

[hushed hazel]

the curve isn't steep it just starts way higher than hk

[white aurora]

more radiant (or whatever the equivalent is) bosses

[pseudo vector]

and a good few more bosses to take down

[stuck kite]

its gonna be evil

[cunning sequoia]

yea thats what i mean

[pulsar cobalt]

||i genuinely wouldnt be surprised if cd missed a few areas like the fire place||

[cunning sequoia]

to think i was genuinely worried silksong would be too easy after doing everything except p5 ab in hollow knight

oh how naive i was

[stuck kite]

Clueless

[white aurora]

skong is a hard game

:3

so many bosses kicked my ass i thought i would be fine after doing a lot of radiant bosses in hk

[pulsar cobalt]

||i have no idea what team cherry did to make their fast paced bosses like that||

[stuck kite]

uhh

lifeblood

[cunning sequoia]

man

[pseudo vector]

||i didn't miss wisp thicket or lost verdania||

[cunning sequoia]

i think seeing ||wormways all plasmified|| was one of the most memorable moments of the game

[pulsar cobalt]

||lace, widow, first sinner, karmelitia, prob some others im forgetting. theyre all goated and just very different from everything theyve done and hard in their own unique ways||

[cunning sequoia]

very reminiscent of ||infected crossroads||

i felt very guilty

[pulsar cobalt]

||phantom||

[stuck kite]

||trobbio|| sweep

[pulsar cobalt]

||they all have that distinct style of fighting which i can only describe as pure 1v1 vibes||

[cunning sequoia]

||regular trobbio|| is awesome

||tormented trobbio|| felt too spammy

fantastic character tho

one of my favorites

[pulsar cobalt]

||tormented trobbio is so funny 😭 ||

[lapis oak]

I'm collecting my Peashooter

[stuck kite]

i lovr

[cunning sequoia]

the moment i stepped into that room

||"oh what a fucking drama queen"||

[white aurora]

||you don't need to do that entrance every fucking time i fight you bro but please keep doing that it's so funny||

[pseudo vector]

||DUDE EVEN HIS FUCKING THEME SAYS HIS NAME||

[pulsar cobalt]

||fun fact you can walk back on trobbio trying to get up after u defeat him||

||and he just goes back to playing dead||

[cunning sequoia]

i was expecting him to be like dung defender where you can talk to him after the fight

a little sad he doesnt do that

[stuck kite]

hes just hiding

[cunning sequoia]

doing his makeup*

[stuck kite]

littlr floor gremlin

[white aurora]

please ||let us fight him a third time|| i love him so much

[stuck kite]

possibly

pantheon form

[cunning sequoia]

||rehabilitated trobbio||

[stuck kite]

would b wild

[pulsar cobalt]

||hopecore trobbio||

[stuck kite]

okay so you know the ||red quill and purple quill||

[pulsar cobalt]

mhm

[stuck kite]

||more trobbios to complete the entire quill rainbow||

[pulsar cobalt]

||can take trobbios quill if you havent bought from shakra yet||

||TRUE||

[cunning sequoia]

have a goofy meme (act 2 spoilers)

im gonna go die to mossgrubs in steel soul

[pulsar cobalt]

L

get better

[cunning sequoia]

explodes u

[stuck kite]

pretty awesome if you die to those

[white aurora]

wawa

3 days in ||bile water|| if you fail a steel soul run

need some motivation to succeed :3

[stuck kite]

doesnt bode well for me

[cunning sequoia]

at least i know where the ||tool for maggots|| is

[stuck kite]

second run died to ||vaults arena|| randomly tells me a bit more practice might be needed

[cunning sequoia]

issue? you have to go through ||ducts||

[hushed hazel]

i have to applaud tc for making ||a poison swamp area that's worse than if it were an actual poison swamp||

[stuck kite]

yeahh

[white aurora]

does ||styx|| do anything in steel soul since ||silkeaters|| are useless?

[cunning sequoia]

I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT

i SWEAR to god if he's dead

i will kill everybody at TC

[stuck kite]

okay so imagine ||steel soul jinn||

[cunning sequoia]

||styx is my BOY my BABY||

||they killed Tuk in HK in steel soul so im worried||

[white aurora]

oh...

||he fucking dead in steel soul i'm in anguish||

[cunning sequoia]

NO

PLEASE NO

PLEASE BE LYING

||styx is genuinely my favorite character||

i already lost ||garmond|| I CANT LOSE ANOTHER

[cunning sequoia]

NOOOOOOOO

im suing team cherry

for hurting me

personally

[stuck kite]

oooops

[white aurora]

going back to ||loam's room in act 3 and finding him dead|| was a little sad

[stuck kite]

i never found that fellow before :(

[white aurora]

but his ||needolin dialogue means he's free from having to run constantly||

[cunning sequoia]

i didnt go to him in act 3

||it's better for him honestly||

[white aurora]

yeah

[cunning sequoia]

||didn't become a void creature and didn't have to work himself to death anymore||

[lofty leaf]

true

[wide badge]

go to spoiler channel

every message is spoilered

yeah i guess that tracks

[hushed hazel]

go to calamity spoiler talk
it's actually about spoilers
click on the spoilers
it's about silksong

[desert garnet]

[valid crypt]

Silksong is everywhere

[buoyant pulsar]

i think orderbringer looks wayyyy better than iri

[dusty tinsel]

Silksong is canon to calamity

I saw draedon 100% the game in one day

[stone fiber]

Devs what do you think about this?

[stone fiber]

Three things:

1. I'm pretty sure there was already a newer one, with stuff from the most recent changelogs (like cosmolight) being added, no?
2. Are other elemental weapons getting resprited in a later update/SSO part 2?
   And 3. Why are the new HP upgrades names so... Non copyright English anime translation

(Also, I dare you guys find the difference in the Gael's Greatsword resprite )

[dull heart]

it's not as big an issue with the changes i made to virid

namely that the 3rd attack actually properly exists

and that there's not so many virids attacking at once

[vivid salmon]

Have the devs spoiled how far off we are from the next update?

[distant raft]

possible late 2025

[fathom girder]

They don't operate on deadlines

[distant raft]

itll be ready when its ready

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[thorny glacier]

somewhere between late november or december

[earnest jewel]

But that's just a theory.

[thorny glacier]

a calamity theory

[earnest jewel]

Thanks for watching.

[thorny glacier]

And cut.

[proven locust]

wait till bro finds out

its gonna make him cry

[wooden blade]

Am still in act 2 i ain't opening any of these spoiler marks bro 🥹

(also are we still on cal spoilers)

[sand dome]

those ones above arent cal spoilers so be wary

[real axle]

I wasn't wary

[white aurora]

you fool...

[dull heart]

i can fix that

but i won't

no spoiler

[versed heart]

Spoilers... Soon (tm)

[dull heart]

I already spoiled y'all too much

[versed heart]

SSO... Soon (tm)

[dull heart]

what if there is no Sunken Sea Overhaul

[earnest jewel]

Can we at least have Calamitas Overhaul? (Adds third Calamitas.)

[valid crypt]

Thats the fate of this world

[obtuse hawk]

Unless you had a big enough crane you can’t over-haul the sunken sea

[earnest jewel]

That's why it's taken so long.

Any idea how expensive cranes are?

It takes YEARS of funding.

[grave geyser]

the biggest lie in tmod history

[dull heart]

there is no tooth fairy...

[brave star]

😭

[stone fiber]

What about the grateful crane?

[stone fiber]

SSOon

[stone fiber]

And there's no Queen of England

[split ginkgo]

*And there is no Yharim Update

[shrewd mural]

@split ginkgo

hows it hanging

long time no see

[distant raft]

very spoilerous

[shrewd mural]

Yes

im sorry for speaking in the wrong channel dont smite me down

i beg

[distant raft]

nah i cant do anything im not a mod

[shrewd mural]

i dont believe you

are you some sort of sleeper agent

[earnest jewel]

But my tommy gun does!

[distant raft]

cosmilite is a patreon tier

[earnest jewel]

Oh, I see, you're purple because you paid money, not because you're the one behind the slaughter.

[shrewd mural]

Yes

[distant raft]

im purple because i harvested a lot of snails

[shrewd mural]

im the woman in front oif the slaughter

[final pine]

i eated purple paint now i am purple

[hard copper]

purple paint tastes the best!

[earnest jewel]

Keep purple paint away from me.

[hushed hazel]

she's purple because she is taking chaos damage over time

[lusty stirrup]

your the one who sung the song

[shrewd mural]

possibly speaking

[tiny lark]

She is purple for a very special reason

I will eventually be purple #trust #jobsoon

[hasty hawk]

Somewhat important announcement

I am going to step down as bug forum manager, it’s been very stressful and makes me constantly go on break. Additionally due to university and my career I won’t be able to keep track of bug reports at all due to the pressure, responsibilities, and dedication required for my career, so I’d rather focus on studies than keeping track of things and deleting invalid reports (which is most of the job handled in the forum anyways). Once I go off break I will return to working on the mod and finish up things that I've left started.

[earnest jewel]

Confetti.png

[hasty hawk]

yes, i am free

time to focus on my life for now

[earnest jewel]

Enjoy retirement.

[valid crypt]

Yays

[lapis oak]

okaaai

[vivid hemlock]

kiri death

[brave star]

Send Kiri to Australia

[lapis oak]

what I do!!!

[brave star]

Get a digeridoo

[granite smelt]

goodluck shade :3

[arctic cliff]

Send Australia to Kiri

[brave star]

[vivid hemlock]

now we're talking

[brave star]

Send scoog the vanillin to their natural habitat

Besides spoiler talk

[late eagle]

🫡

Good luck sir

[low halo]

why did calamity get so laggy for no reason

[neat field]

you're playing at a very cosmically heavy time in terms of rays

try next week when the cosmic ray storms die down

[low halo]

oh fr?

[dusty tinsel]

Kiri vs a kangaroo who wins

[neat field]

how many kangaroos are there

[dusty tinsel]

A kirillion

[neat field]

because its like a matryosvhska you think there's only one kangaroo but theres like actually like 30

[lapis oak]

No

Also wrong place

[low halo]

where am i supposed to ask

[dusk bronze]

#help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk

[lapis oak]

Idk maybe something that's called #calamity-mod-talk

And not spoiler talk

[dusk bronze]

this channel is for talking about future updates

hence spoiler

[neat field]

will cosmolite finally be good once we can craft it out of astral bars

and devourer soul fragments

[vivid hemlock]

what does this mean

[neat field]

the cosmolite retier, its in the new update that came out in the future

[vivid hemlock]

i mean the devourer soul fragments

i alr know about the cosmolite changes

[neat field]

well if you want cosmolite don't you have to kill the DoG

i don't think they're changing that

[dusty tinsel]

It will be in the distortion eventually also

[lean relic]

Cosmolite liquid in Distortion

[split ginkgo]

10 billion gorillas vs 1 DoG

[terse dew]

10 billion is a lot

[stiff light]

10 billion DoG vs 1 me

[brave star]

Who would win this

Also I like that skarrsinger pfp

[stiff light]

she is cool

[brave star]

True

I haven’t fought her yet

[fathom girder]

But if dog inherits the power of every gorilla he consumes

[terse dew]

10 billion is a lot

[stiff light]

she is my favourite boss

[fathom girder]

Then he would win

[stiff light]

1 is a lot

[terse dew]

You think you can take all that?

[fathom girder]

You missed the 0 billion part

[terse dew]

🙂‍↔️

Eviscerated

[stiff light]

i could count to 10 billion

[terse dew]

woah

That's like counting to 1 billion ten times

😨

[stiff light]

yeup

[brave star]

Can u count to 1 trillion

[dusk bronze]

i can

1

2

4

fuck

[stiff light]

skip a few

99,999,999,999,999

100 trillion

ez pz

[stuck kite]

numberrs

[brave star]

Woag

U get award of being able to count 100 trillion

🏆

[stiff light]

hooray

[brave star]

:3

[dusk bronze]

how spoilerous

[buoyant pulsar]

my apologies

[azure oak]

wrong channel

this is spoiler talk

infernum stuff is meant to go in #calamity-addon-talk

[near coyote]

oh shi mb

[azure oak]

is ok

[lofty leaf]

oreo

[brave star]

My apoloCheese

[dusk bronze]

that's not a mouse

that's a car

killing you

[brave star]

It’s a non lethal car

It likes to hand out cheese

[shut ridge]

SSO tomorrow surely

[earnest jewel]

This time for sure.

[stiff light]

sure;ly

[uneven fractal]

S - silk
S - song
O - dlc
tomorrow

[stiff light]

silk song overdose

[dusk bronze]

silk song over

it got cancelled

[stiff light]

i already beat it so idc

ez pz

[fringe quiver]

you didnt

illusion

silksong wasnt real

wake up

[earnest jewel]

Maybe even a silk may song when it loses someone he loves.

[fringe quiver]

grok is this true

[uneven fractal]

there is no such thing as too much silksong

[earnest jewel]

That's not Silksong, that's Silksong's monster.

[stiff light]

i need to start saying Interesting: before my messages

[tropic jolt]

blackberry skong

[earnest jewel]

Interesting.

[uneven fractal]

interesting

[halcyon seal]

Looking into it.

[earnest jewel]

Concerning.

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[thorny glacier]

misgendered hornet😭 even persistent silksong denier like me knows she is female

[earnest jewel]

SIKSONG'S A GIRL!?

[thorny glacier]

imagine

.

[dull heart]

actually hornet is a bug

[thorny glacier]

true actually

[stiff light]

bugs dont have woke

[thorny glacier]

everyone give this fellow man a ✅

[main falcon]

If the developers where attacked by a ghost shark how much would that affect development

[stiff light]

theyd win

[earnest jewel]

It depends.

[main falcon]

What about a vampire bear

[earnest jewel]

Depends.

[stiff light]

what about a me

[earnest jewel]

Mario?

[thorny glacier]

you died and now are a ghost 👻

[stiff light]

hiii

[thorny glacier]

hello 👋

[earnest jewel]

Hello.

[thorny glacier]

hello to you as well

👋

[stiff light]

what the hay

[thorny glacier]

idk

[stiff light]

should i watch youtube

[earnest jewel]

You should play Pikmin.

[stiff light]

noo

[earnest jewel]

Yes.

[stiff light]

not my kinda game

[thorny fjord]

depends on which dev, we literally have a shark on the team

[earnest jewel]

How would you know, you haven't played it!

[earnest jewel]

What kind of shark?

[stiff light]

pog

[stiff light]

ive seen it

[thorny fjord]

@boreal edge if it's ok to ask, what kind of shark are you?

[thorny glacier]

clearly they’re hammerhead shark

[stiff light]

terraria shak

[rare tinsel]

baby shark

[lapis oak]

𒅌

[late eagle]

E

[thorny glacier]

J

[brave star]

What the fumo

[tropic jolt]

calamity

[silk terrace]

Mitycala

[dull heart]

Hi

[earnest jewel]

Hello.

[brave star]

Bonjour

[late eagle]

How many donor weapons are left to be added?

[dull heart]

more than 0

[late eagle]

[fathom girder]

that's the same answer we were given for days until the update releases

coincidence?

I THINK NOT

[brave star]

0.1 weapons left?

[buoyant pulsar]

0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

[dusty tinsel]

Ban for spamming

[thorny glacier]

changelogs tomorrow

[late eagle]

changelogs sorrow

[silk terrace]

a lot

like at least 1

[thorny glacier]

they shouldnt (something is gone completely bonkers and they need to spend some time in solace)

[fathom girder]

SSO 2033

[thorny glacier]

sso 2016

[neat field]

sso september 21st

[vestal osprey]

The twenty first night of spetermber

[analog helm]

sso septembah 1st

[celest bobcat]

sso… uh…

idk man

[fathom girder]

SSO never

it's the new silksong

It's stuck in dev hell forever

[neat field]

sso will come out january first

this is because if it is not out by december 31st, i will become a calamity dev and finish the update in 30 minutes

[fathom girder]

but doze said it'll be out this year

HOPEFULLY

which means it's guaranteed

[terse dew]

I don't think that's how that works

[stone zephyr]

if only merkalto still worked on the mod

update would be out tomorrow

[still bluff]

[brave star]

Can I Undertale spoiler if it’s spoilers

[rare tinsel]

no what the fuck

don't spoil the game

no one will be impressed

[earnest jewel]

They added Calamitas to Undertale.

[rare tinsel]

boohoo~5

[earnest jewel]

I don't know what Tricky Tony was thinking with that one.

[dense sundial]

calamity is stuck in dev torture but silksong was stuck in the devs actually just having fun

[brave star]

:gone:

For U that is

[rare tinsel]

in all seriousness yeah you could share it in #general-talk or #general-media

[brave star]

What if I sboil the game

[cobalt wharf]

are my pookies not having fun 🥺

[wicked lotus]

First documented case of development heaven

[fathom girder]

Indie teams are usually like that yes

[arctic cliff]

theyre gonna take so long to develop sso that in place of washington dc there will be a scadutree

[shell sapphire]

[stuck kite]

to be honest we would be in dev heaven if stuff are finishable in reasonable time

going months without closure because of a bottleneck. is hell. the creation process is either fine or good or really good

[dull heart]

yeah

we just keep hitting bottlenecks

[stuck kite]

rapid mobilisation is heaven

it feels awesome when you make a lot of progress

[rich ginkgo]

no they’re not

they’re like, the exact opposite

[fathom girder]

clueless

this guy hasn't seen what a AAA studio looks like

and the utter hell it is

[rich ginkgo]

team cherry said they were just having fun goofing around w silksong because they literally have an unlimited amount of money from making one of the most iconic indies oat 😭

not every indie studio has created an “indie oat”

[misty wren]

every type of game studio has its downsides and every one is in fact prone to scopecreep

[fathom girder]

It's much nicer to make a passion project than to work on a money making scheme designed to make people addicted and do nothing else beyond that with predatory "stores" all while shareholders force you into a lose lose situation

[dull heart]

ok but

[misty wren]

you just tend to see downsides from AAA more often because of them being fucking massive

[dull heart]

gacha game funny

[fathom girder]

smh

[dull heart]

goodness I wish the team behind ZZZ made a non-gacha game

[rich ginkgo]

yeah that’s fair AAA isnt any better but like just because one is objectively worse doesnt mean indie is heaven either

[stuck kite]

scopecreep isnt a big worry in like most cases i think

[misty wren]

you tend to not see the worst parts of indie dev because a lot of those projects never get anywhere

[halcyon seal]

I’m convinced the game was actually 100% done and they didn’t do any polishing for 2 years, they just played every souls game over and over again and went “yeah let’s put that in rq”

[dull heart]

🔬📈

[neat field]

how would they make money

[dull heart]

by making a good game that people buy

[neat field]

gacha is the only way to ever make money

[dull heart]

oh true

I forgot

[neat field]

calamity mod will be bankrupt by 2024 if we don't add gambling

[lyric trellis]

Unfortunately true

[dull heart]

silksong gacha update when

[rich ginkgo]

probably lol. you could see all the visions they had with hk that never came to life because of a lack of funding, with silksong they could just add whatever tf

[dull heart]

lemme gamble for that nail upgrade

[rich ginkgo]

“yo this would be dope lets add that” game is delayed by another year

[lyric trellis]

Team cherry is broke because there’s no ingame purchases

[stuck kite]

it usually just means more content to most people and it becomes a problem if you are promissory of regular updates or timed releases

[misty wren]

nobody is going to report on steve and bobs 5 man indie team making a project that gets scopecrept to hell or has horrible working conditions
they're gonna report on AAA studios

[dull heart]

literally me reworking random calamity things

gravity globe clearly added 3 months to the timer

[rich ginkgo]

hey at least AAA studios actually have money it’s just that.. everyone is underpaid and creativity + innovation is out the window because of said shitty wage

[dull heart]

I think that's what strikes me most about ZZZ - it actually feels like ZZZ devs care about making the game the best they can and not just bare minimum; which is rare for a game from a big company nowadays and also rare for a gacha game

[misty wren]

its essentially textbook survivorship bias, indie projects with the same (or larger) issues as AAA studios never make it into the public spotlight, which gives people generally a very rose-tinted view of indie projects

[dull heart]

true

[stuck kite]

most probably

but those views of indie projects are pretty much reflective of an individual's peer into the industry

you are gonna look into options then realise that's what it'll come to

[earnest jewel]

Indie projects absolutely go through development hell sometimes, or restart development, or get cancelled etc.

Not everything is gonna be like Silksong.

[rich ginkgo]

didnt that literally happen to silksong

[stuck kite]

competency is hard to come by

[rich ginkgo]

iirc team cherry had to restart like half their progress on silksong bc they switched game engines

over drama

i think it was unreal engine they stopped using

[stuck kite]

it's a lot easier to have vision than to execute them etc

[fringe quiver]

no hes true

indie games dont have the resources to achieve the sort of devrerlopment heaven silksong had 99% of the time

they just could get there bc they have like unlimited resources so they can literally add whatever

[rich ginkgo]

yeah that’s what im saying

[fringe quiver]

youre :true:

[rich ginkgo]

team cherry was in heaven because they had an infinite source of money

lol

there’s like a 0.2% chance an indie studio reaches that sort of success

im definitely off by a lot but you get my point

[stuck kite]

they're also like

really good for how small they are

[rich ginkgo]

indies have great potential because they’re always focusing on the creativity part while AAA strives more for profit (most the time) it’s just that there’s almost never the needed resources available to sustain the type of creative content they wanna add

[fathom girder]

Company size does not equal better products

think of a game company like a cell

the larger it is, the longer it takes for information to get from one part to another

which often leads to more problems than it does solve them

[fringe quiver]

i dont think anybody is sayingg theyre not good

indoie games are great

development for them just is hell alot of the time

im a indie developer i can attest to it

/hj

[misty wren]

indie games are great yeah i love indie games

[stuck kite]

there's a lot of logistics to work out in a game

[fringe quiver]

its not really Hell its fun but struggles often happen

[oblique escarp]

which boss resprites are coming in SSO? (that we know of)

[fringe quiver]

im exaggerating for Comedic Effect ™

[stuck kite]

it's more pain to discover while you're working on one then realise there's no one taking the helm on like

[misty wren]

but the thing about the view of indie teams a lot of the time is through massively rose tinted glasses because nobody is reporting on them unless they're huge

[fringe quiver]

desert scourge, cnidrion, giant clam

[stuck kite]

sound design or something

[rich ginkgo]

i feel like the bigger problem is just the slop part abt it

[oblique escarp]

cnidrion is becoming a mini boss right?

[misty wren]

id say indie is marginally more prone to slop than AAA ngl

[rich ginkgo]

ive nevervseen an indie with over 5 sequels

[fringe quiver]

way fewer developers and resources so stuff takes much longer to get done, not to mention a single developer not being able to work can slow down things alot, which happens often bc motivation or any other irl issues, per example

[stuck kite]

okay but like they dont have to take the expectations of being a big product

all AAA releases are immediately subject to scrutiny because they are established

an indie slop can just be a hobbyist idea dumping in a day

[rich ginkgo]

also if the game just happens to flop all of that time and money is out the window which isnt as big of a deal for huge corporate teams while it’s genuinely detrimental for small teams with limited time and money

[misty wren]

im not saying the amounts arent comparable

[stuck kite]

and in that case it's probably unfair to treat expendible learning experiences as some grand work

[misty wren]

i specifically said marginally because i know both are comparable in the output

i just feel like indie is very slightly more prone to it

[rich ginkgo]

ive seen a lot of people say silksong is destroying indies because the bar is now in the skies lmao

that’s just not true

[fringe quiver]

yeah thats just wrongt

we've had so many fantastic indie games before lol

[stuck kite]

its all extremely subjective

[fringe quiver]

silksong is amazing but indie games have been amazing like Forever

[rich ginkgo]

nobody is expecting another silksong to happen, like, in a loooong time from a small indie studio

[fringe quiver]

it hasn't set a new bar

[rich ginkgo]

its mainly just corporates ive seen complain abt this

[fringe quiver]

yeah because theyre malding

🙏

[rich ginkgo]

literally

[stuck kite]

theres really no such thing as a bar for video games

[fringe quiver]

theyre scared that a 20 dolla indie game is selling way better than call of duty 20 and fifa 31

[rich ginkgo]

corporates dont understand that because all they think about is profit

[fringe quiver]

(both only available for the new playstation 20 which costs ten billion dollarsw, each game costing five thousand

[stuck kite]

i will enjoy this pixel art slop made in a quickie than their console exclusive fuckass first person shooter

[earnest jewel]

If only there was an indie game based on Calamity mod.
(This message was not posted under any threats.)

[stuck kite]

have always been

[rich ginkgo]

“$20 for silksong is gonna DESTROY the industry!!” i mean no team cherry just doesnt need to worry about money at all… idk why the people who literally shouldnt have to worry about money in the first place are saying this

[fringe quiver]

its ok you dont have to be afraid i am currently on break

i legally cannot say anything about that game

[rich ginkgo]

we dont need $80 games anymore

[fringe quiver]

beca\use i'm on break

i'm on vacation

deved too hard

[stuck kite]

to be fair i never looked at a price tag above 25 like ever

silksong didnt change that

[earnest jewel]

Does this mean I'm not mandated to promote anything or I get my hands cut off?

[stuck kite]

silksong didnt suddenly make me look money any differently

[neat field]

silksong made me look at money very differently

[rich ginkgo]

i just think $80 for a game (especially an AAA) is ridiculous

[still bluff]

The 30th hollow knight sequel will release in 2589 and crash the entire internet
It will be priced at $21

[neat field]

for instance- 20$ is now a required lifestyle expense

[stuck kite]

hey that happens

one time payment though!!

you hear that

[still bluff]

Team cherry will have artificially extended their lifespans because they still have more ideas to add to the game

[rich ginkgo]

i have my doubts the hollow knight series ends at silksong

[stuck kite]

entertainment based subscription services.,,

[rich ginkgo]

especially with the way they were talking about having too much fun with the development of silksong

[stuck kite]

both hk games are actually projecting team cherry's ongoing attempt to discover immortality onto their respective kingdoms

[still bluff]

They just needed a bit of cash so they made hollow knight

[rich ginkgo]

bro is not nine sols

[tropic jolt]

the final boss of silksong was cool but does anybody else think naming it "THE SILKSONG" was a little bit cliche?

[stuck kite]

they might've exhausted souls of the damned and drugs as options. i fear

[still bluff]

They did find embracing the call of the void
Unfortunately that's not generally applicable

And in fact for most people has the adverse effect

[tropic jolt]

hollow knight 3 will be in the kingdom of zotehome

[lyric trellis]

Silk song

[lean relic]

Song of the Silk

[pearl sentinel]

put me in the game

[earnest jewel]

Nuh uh, put Mii in the game.

[fathom girder]

oh is this that calamity rpg thing

[fringe quiver]

haha id correct you but im on break.

cant fool me like that.

im on break.

[fathom girder]

I'll play whatever it is your team is making tbh

I like the calamity story

[stiff light]

i spent 150 dollars on the new battlefield

[brave star]

What new battlefield

[dusk bronze]

poiler

[brave star]

Toiler

[late eagle]

:Haunts ur dreams:

[lean relic]

Coral froggys