calamity-update-talk

[twin juniper]

Death mode golem had what

[dull heart]

Luxor is reworked sorry

[spare furnace]

tbf this suggestion is worthless since all drops are getting shimered now anyways

[distant raft]

boss rushes tend to not have altered ai from my experience

[grave geyser]

its like the most tame part of the fight

[inner thunder]

??? what

[lapis oak]

Dust spam 🥱, and also Luxor is reworked

[lyric trellis]

Almost exactly 2 years ago is funny

[oblique escarp]

how do the suggestion votes work btw?

[plain mantle]

it's very important bc it removes a garbage material

[misty wren]

my guy. the suggestion was to remove the recipes. not to add a boss drop shimmer cycle

[plain mantle]

top 20% of voting over a period of 2 weeks get sent to dev

go check #suggestions-discussion pins if you wanna know more

[twin juniper]

Still crazy that sounded like ftw thing

[hard copper]

hmmm

[spare furnace]

still, it is kinda wierd the suggestion procs and the weapon recyle ends up happening via shimmer anyways, its a wierd coincidence and fascinates me

[grave geyser]

max speed is a nothing stat

accel is fine but like

you're sacking a helmet slot

[plain mantle]

but consider

[spare furnace]

since rotten matter/blood sample were only useful for weapon recyling

[plain mantle]

it's funny

[stuck kite]

armor mixing!!

its time to make set mixing great again...

[plain mantle]

god forbid you give up an armor set bonus

[lyric trellis]

Cirrus Dress 2 (item that isn’t worth using over your full armor set)

[plain mantle]

OOA buff when

[cobalt wharf]

pukes everywhere cutely

[spare furnace]

hell no we dont need that back

[cobalt condor]

dudeee

[dull heart]

But hear me out

[cobalt condor]

snow ruffian ranger?

[halcyon seal]

Set mixing is awesome I love that shit

[cobalt condor]

💀

[grave geyser]

genuenely you could have vanilla ooa sets and only like 2 pieces would be broken

[halcyon seal]

I get why

[stuck kite]

concerning

[grave geyser]

most ooa nerfs are like super undeserved

[dull heart]

Fish Bowl
Flinx Coat
Moon Lord Leg

[cobalt condor]

dang

[halcyon seal]

Honestly I don’t think snow ruffian is needed at all

[cobalt condor]

I do not like the change :/

[halcyon seal]

Fossil armor is easy to get

[stuck kite]

fish bowl gem robe moon lord legs

[plain mantle]

🔥

[cobalt condor]

exactly

rogue snow ruffian is fun

[dull heart]

Issue is

[lyric trellis]

Using this sends Primordial Wyrm after you

[halcyon seal]

Nah rogue desert prowler is def better

[dull heart]

Old deep diver no longer exist

[halcyon seal]

I’m just saying, I don’t think ranged snow ruffian is needed at all

[cobalt wharf]

yeah people are def just gonna not use snow ruffian even if it’s made numerically better than fossil

[cobalt condor]

idk man, prefer snow ruffian after my 1000th rogue infernum playthrough

[cobalt wharf]

it’s just more annoying to get

[grave geyser]

gladiator moment

[cobalt condor]

true

[cobalt wharf]

see exactly

[cobalt condor]

I have never used gladiator

[spare furnace]

I would if fossil doesnt get rouge benefits, if it does then prob not

[grave geyser]

genuenly one of the best phm armors even for non rogue and nobody uses it because getting it sucks

[twin juniper]

Can’t believe there aren’t 2 desert ranger armor next to each other now

[orchid finch]

Fossil is a ranged armor wtf

[lapis oak]

Rouge

[cobalt condor]

??

[orchid finch]

Also yeah rouge strikes again

[cobalt condor]

rogue

[stuck kite]

im pretty sure fossil is outclassed by calamity ore sets anyway (this is getting amended with 8 headed hammers)

[dusk bronze]

pog

[spare furnace]

let me spell things wierdly

[cobalt condor]

not rlly

[dusty tinsel]

Rip enrages

[cobalt condor]

victife?

srry

victide

victide vs fossil

[grave geyser]

its more or less comperable to platinum

[cobalt wharf]

they meant

[cobalt condor]

I think fossil is better

[orchid finch]

Victide is getting silly

[cobalt wharf]

calamity buffs to vanilla ore sets like platinum

[oblique escarp]

how do you know if a suggestion in the voting channel has been accepted?

[halcyon seal]

Oh yeah speaking of early pre-hm summon right clicks

[cobalt wharf]

which need axes

[halcyon seal]

Brittle Star

Is anything being done about that

[dull heart]

yes

[cobalt condor]

idk

[halcyon seal]

Because that shit is laaaaaaaaame

[lyric trellis]

So excited for 8 headed hammers

[dull heart]

Brittle Star defense is going to 4

[halcyon seal]

Thank god

[dull heart]

And getting summon penalty

[cobalt condor]

never used brittle star

[dull heart]

So it's 3 for non summon

[orchid finch]

You get pinged that it got accepted also #suggestions-discussion

[halcyon seal]

+15 defense

[cobalt condor]

I beat eoc first anyway

[halcyon seal]

With no downside

[grave geyser]

honestly in their current state they're all fine

[spare furnace]

I use it for like 8 seconds till I get deathstare tbf

[hard copper]

Does it only affect ground speed?

[cobalt wharf]

no not quite

[grave geyser]

only effects base moment speed

[dull heart]

There is an opportunity cost

[cobalt condor]

fair enough but molten skip

[grave geyser]

no boots no wings

[hard copper]

Oh gotcha

[cobalt condor]

which is getting removed

[dull heart]

No

Not in cal

[grave geyser]

max movement speed

[cobalt condor]

also is the abyss armor and crags armor this update kr next

[grave geyser]

works that way in cal

[cobalt condor]

*or

[grave geyser]

I have litterally tested this in cal

[dull heart]

oh is that two different stats

[grave geyser]

yeah

[dull heart]

odd

[orchid finch]

Nobody knows

[halcyon seal]

What summons would you even want to use instead of it before you get dark sun ring

[dull heart]

ok well I know what to fix

[dull heart]

a lot of them

[orchid finch]

We don't even have info on what they'd do

[dull heart]

Stardust Cell

Elemental Axe

[cobalt condor]

perforators rework

[dull heart]

Viral Sprout

[halcyon seal]

Right, cell and axe do make sense

[dull heart]

anything with a good debuff

[dusty tinsel]

Why was the enraged thing even changed?

[orchid finch]

Oh my god I'm having the worst day with typing today

[lyric trellis]

Malice

[dull heart]

Anything that deals damage honestly

[inner thunder]

have you guys removed the post dog events yet

[dull heart]

No

And we won't

For a while

[inner thunder]

bruh

[lapis oak]

Vanilla bosses don't do that

[inner thunder]

oh

[lapis oak]

It was for Malice Mode

[dull heart]

events stay until we have something to replace them

[plain mantle]

sadly yeah

[inner thunder]

can you make dog spawn cosmolote ore in the world

[orchid finch]

"These words are not in the Bible"

[misty wren]

dear god no

[orchid finch]

No

[inner thunder]

why not

[misty wren]

please dont make cosmilite ore

[orchid finch]

That's gonna be worse

[stuck kite]

💥

[orchid finch]

We don't need more ore

[lyric trellis]

50000 ores

[lapis oak]

Ore and Bar for everything

[misty wren]

thats objectively worse than dog just dropping the bar

[lapis oak]

Ye let's do that

[inner thunder]

ifs not that big of a deal

[dull heart]

Yes

But I won't

[lyric trellis]

Tester worlds looking like a rainbow more and more

[inner thunder]

we have to use bars anyway

[plain mantle]

go strip mining in minecraft if you want more ore

[dusty tinsel]

Why add something you are just going to remove eventually

That seems like a waste of time

[inner thunder]

isn't that what they're doing with dog ai

[lapis oak]

Fabsol added it

[misty wren]

so why do we need the ore if we only use the bars

[halcyon seal]

Can we rename cosmilite bars to something cooler like Shadow the Hedgehog

[inner thunder]

to make the bars instead of having to do dog multiple times

[spare furnace]

Wait I just realized if calamity bosses are getting shimmer cycleing are vanilla ones getting it?

[plain mantle]

[inner thunder]

some people barely beat dog

[misty wren]

womp womp

[dusty tinsel]

Cosmolite isn't made from ore though

[inner thunder]

how do you shimmer a boss

[dusty tinsel]

Their drops

[spare furnace]

their drops mb i worded that wrong

[lyric trellis]

Shimmer gun

[dusty tinsel]

I am going to shimmer you

Into a frog

[lapis oak]

Terrifying

[dusty tinsel]

Kiri is first

[plain mantle]

based

[lapis oak]

😨

[dusty tinsel]

KiriFrog

[dull heart]

anyway so wulfrum knife functions by letting the knives stick in enemies

right click magnets stuck knives back to you

[plain mantle]

woah

[dusty tinsel]

You know I thought it said Wulfrum knight

[plain mantle]

John Wulfrum

[dusty tinsel]

And was like what's that

[dull heart]

stuck knives don't deal any damage but when returned restore stealth

(like, they only deal damage on initial impact)

[halcyon seal]

Oh that’s pretty neat

[lapis oak]

It's getting there keep going

[silk terrace]

i forgot how fast this chat moves when changelogs come

[lapis oak]

Hybrid Rogue monopoly

[dull heart]

Purple Haze will help with that

[halcyon seal]

Using wulfrum knife on scal

[dull heart]

Hybrid alcohol

[dusty tinsel]

Snow ruffian no my beloved rogue armor

[cobalt condor]

I love spoilers

[dusty tinsel]

Now it's ranger

[lyric trellis]

At least you’re an expert in back reading

[cobalt condor]

wait can I recreate it

[dusty tinsel]

🤢 ranger

[cobalt condor]

or do I have to make a ticket to ask permissions

[plain mantle]

ranger 🤮

[spare furnace]

they should have renamed the vodca Lean instead of purple haze

[cobalt condor]

not in terraria btw

[dusty tinsel]

Recreate what?

[cobalt condor]

THATS WHAT I JUST SAIDD

[halcyon seal]

Ranger player here, I completely agree

[cobalt condor]

the spoiler weapons

[lyric trellis]

What’s even beloved about snow ruffian, the wings?

[dusty tinsel]

You would have to make a ticket and get the devs permission

[dusty tinsel]

It looks cool

[cobalt condor]

ah alright

[cobalt condor]

exactly

[halcyon seal]

Tbh I think if any class gets 2 armor sets in pre boss

It should be rogue right

Like that’s the new class in calamity

[cobalt condor]

yeah

[halcyon seal]

It should be the one that’s getting pushed

[dusty tinsel]

Also desert prowler who even makes that

[halcyon seal]

Me

[cobalt condor]

not me

[halcyon seal]

I love desert prowler

Shits awesome

[dusty tinsel]

I am sending you to the bottom of the abyss

[cobalt condor]

bad armor fossil better

[halcyon seal]

Also a top 5 vanity set in the game

[cobalt condor]

you can get fossil preboss

[lyric trellis]

They’re basically both identical

[dusty tinsel]

Ice biome is easier than the desert imo to traverse through

[plain mantle]

Yeah

[cobalt condor]

agreed

[dusty tinsel]

Like I wouldn't go to the desert preboss and expect to survive

The ice biome is chill. No worms

[plain mantle]

Literally

Ice biome has ice bats and that’s about it

[dusty tinsel]

Ice slimes

Vikings

[plain mantle]

Ice slimes are annoying too

Vikings I feel are kinda nothing

[dusty tinsel]

Yah but you can cheese them

[plain mantle]

Yes

[dusty tinsel]

It's hard to cheese a worm when it goes through blocks 😭

[lapis oak]

You reworked the flare gun line?

[dusty tinsel]

Plus I tend to play without volume so worms get me all the time

[plain mantle]

The sand trap randomly deciding I die

[stuck kite]

shark

[silk terrace]

no shark did

fuck

[cobalt wharf]

is cal still gonna nerf cactus boulder to like 30 damage

[lapis oak]

Okkk let's go

[stuck kite]

actually

[cobalt wharf]

instead of 200 (soul)

[plain mantle]

🐌

[boreal edge]

🐱

[dusty tinsel]

Cactus boulders being able to roll up blocks is a crime

[silk terrace]

🚲

[lyric trellis]

:Cat :

[stuck kite]

reverting desert nerfs.,.

[misty wren]

epic emoji fail

[dusty tinsel]

All boulders being able to do that is scary

[cobalt wharf]

cmon

[boreal edge]

God no

[cobalt wharf]

u know u want it

[halcyon seal]

Cactus boulders are a crime

[lapis oak]

Funniest shit

[stuck kite]

idc much about cactus boulders

but like

[halcyon seal]

Worst 1.4 addition and I’m not joking

[lapis oak]

Best vanilla addition

[dull heart]

please yes

[stuck kite]

antlion nerfs

like really

[lyric trellis]

It’ll make getting to the Sunken Sea rework even more rewarding!

[dull heart]

200 dmg cactus boulders

I miss them

[misty wren]

cactus boulders are terrifying i swear to god they actually have homing on them

[boreal edge]

Yes please I miss getting insta-killed

[dusty tinsel]

My brother got killed by one that he thought changed directions after it killed me, but all it did was activate another one that decided to go up a hill and kill him

[cobalt wharf]

can we atleast reduce the nerf they deal like no damage rn 😭

the threat is completely gone

[dusk bronze]

oh yeah since fab exploded please make antlions spawning sand blocks a ftw thing

[dusty tinsel]

Make cactus boulders insta kill you

[misty wren]

revert the nerf to rune wizards iirc

[lyric trellis]

Revert it only in hardcore

[dull heart]

no

[plain mantle]

No, get trolled

[stuck kite]

literally every enemy in the desert is nerfed >>>

what

[dusty tinsel]

Antlions literally spawn sand in vanilla smh

[still bluff]

You brought this upon yourself

[misty wren]

antlions spawning sand blocks is not a big deal

[lapis oak]

Infinite sand farm

[dull heart]

genuinely I am actually highly against antlions not spawning sand

[cobalt wharf]

what about angry tumblers

[dull heart]

I like my sand farm

[dusk bronze]

that doesn't mean it's good

[dusk bronze]

ds bag

[misty wren]

with the way i play it actively does nothing i already die in one hit

[boreal edge]

Sand stays

[hard copper]

Trident + fishbowl?

[dusty tinsel]

Remove contact damage removals we obviously need to die to rune Wizards

[dull heart]

an enemy when it actually has interaction with the world

[plain mantle]

DS bag is stupid and bloated

[still bluff]

Vanilla makes bad decisions regularly

[stuck kite]

nerfed by not being spawnable pre-boss :)

[dull heart]

Hmm I need to make sure that works

I'm not sure if it doea

[plain mantle]

God forbid

[dusk bronze]

it fucks up hammered tiles

[plain mantle]

Cope and seethe harder

[misty wren]

antlions are one of the only enemies that have an actual interaction with the world

[misty wren]

hammer them back like ??? there is a clear and easy solution to this issue

[dull heart]

antlions, Skeletron Prime in FTW, door breaking things, Gnomes, and uh

Snow Balla

I think

[stuck kite]

i think every enemy in the desert should wield a sandgun

[halcyon seal]

Ok so out of curiosity, if 1.4.5 comes out and the skyblock seed is made to be 100% completable, will cal be tweaked so that it’s also 100% completable on the seed

[lapis oak]

Fortificate your desert base

[dusty tinsel]

Goblins being able to break doors is a crime

[tall viper]

Make every enemy spit sand tbh

[plain mantle]

Skeleton Prime in FTW is the funniest thing

[stuck kite]

imagine you see a flying antlion gunning you down with sand

[sacred marlin]

Just make a config option for the sand block spit

[dull heart]

I don't think the whole team would care

But I would do it singlehandedly if I needed to

[dusk bronze]

yeah

[lyric trellis]

500 configs

[misty wren]

breaking tiles is bad, placing tiles is fine

[halcyon seal]

Sick

[plain mantle]

I think configs should die, personally /s

[misty wren]

five. hundred. config files.

[dusty tinsel]

Also fun fact goblins used to dip into the ground when they went through doors (they still kinda do) until I reported that they did and ended up getting it fixed lol (after their resprites)

[dull heart]

nah

People can install another mod for that

[plain mantle]

Something something fix every vanilla “problem”

[dull heart]

calamity isn't meant to do everything

[sacred marlin]

Highly unfortunate

[misty wren]

raaaaaah too many issues must fix all immediately

[dusty tinsel]

Plus making all these changes to vanilla removes compatibility

[plain mantle]

Classic

Literally

[still bluff]

Compatibility is removed cal now crashes if your mod adds any items

[plain mantle]

[lyric trellis]

Finally

[halcyon seal]

I feel like there’s one big issue with calamity that could be addressed pretty easily, it’s being made with the objective worst game of all time (Terraria) as its base

Maybe if it was moved to a better game like Melty Blood Type Lumina it would be better

[dusty tinsel]

Calamity on its way to make every single extra mod not compatible with it just to spite all qol mods

[boreal edge]

🛌

[dusty tinsel]

Make calamity its own game

[lyric trellis]

Wake up cit

[boreal edge]

Never let a Terraria player be an improv comedian

[dusk bronze]

something something fabsol alchnpc rant

[plain mantle]

I feel like there’s one big issue with terraria that could be addressed pretty easily, it’s being made with the objective worst game of all time (Redigit Code) as its base

[grave geyser]

so true

[halcyon seal]

Only if it’s a farming sim

[still bluff]

Calamity idle game when

[dusty tinsel]

Alchnpc lite is the only good alchnpc

[misty wren]

i would play it

[distant raft]

except that it still adds the bullshit insane potions

[misty wren]

i am john "idle games" mage

[hard copper]

call it, total calamity...

[distant raft]

the one that gives you hallowed armour set bonus, the one that gives you black belt, the one that gives you dryad's blessing

[lyric trellis]

Horror

[still bluff]

Nooooooo

[dusk bronze]

evil

[misty wren]

bad

[plain mantle]

I call it…the Fogbound

[boreal edge]

Dye

[thick coyote]

absolute cinema

[still bluff]

We should bring back total calamity I want lore discussion in a state of disarray

[misty wren]

no

its

[halcyon seal]

Wtf is total calamity

[dusty tinsel]

Total calamity when it becomes canon finally

[misty wren]

i call it...the FogBound

[thick coyote]

old roleplay

[dusty tinsel]

It's a calamity rp

[thick coyote]

it had a wiki and that led to people thinking the roleplay had canon lore

was a mess

[misty wren]

it still has the wiki actually

[ashen pagoda]

I have a question about subworld library is this the right place to ask it?

[plain mantle]

I call it…john “idle games” mage

No

[dusk bronze]

ira sanguinos sweep

[still bluff]

[ashen pagoda]

It’s in relation to the update

[dusty tinsel]

Xeroc died in total calamity

[dusk bronze]

no

[thick coyote]

oh ok

[dusty tinsel]

It's clearly peak content

[thick coyote]

cook

[halcyon seal]

Ok this sounds too funny to not look into

[thick coyote]

iirc its not even bad

was jsut confusing for people who didnt know

[plain mantle]

[misty wren]

calamitas is ira sanguinos and xeroc was rainbow providence

[ashen pagoda]

Yeah that’s fair just thought I would put it in spoiler talk because I was asking it with the update in mind

[still bluff]

Lore-discussion regularly had people asking questions about complete nonsense that had nothing to do with real cal lore

[plain mantle]

That’s peak tho /s

[thick coyote]

people didnt realize you meant in relation to the update

so go off

[misty wren]

as a loredisc regular at that period it truly was a period of time

[ashen pagoda]

other-mod-talk?

[thick coyote]

no you can ask here if its in relation to future updates

[dusk bronze]

yeag

[thick coyote]

not much is certain abotu subworlds though so dont get your hopes up

[boreal edge]

Calamity doesn't use Subworld Library

It's not Calamity related

Not in here

[thick coyote]

yes it is

[dusty tinsel]

Does it directly say noncanon on total calamity I forgot

[thick coyote]

they are asking about future updates

[ashen pagoda]

Yeah because they are adding it

[misty wren]

(calamity also will not use sublib)

[thick coyote]

not confirmed

[dusk bronze]

maybe

[boreal edge]

More likely not

[thick coyote]

is there another method to use subworlds?

[dusk bronze]

make their own

[thick coyote]

???

[ashen pagoda]

I hope so as subworld library doesn’t seem to work too well...

[thick coyote]

i thought subworlds only existed becuase of subworld library, is that not the point of that mod

[misty wren]

making their own method

[thick coyote]

am i stupid

[halcyon seal]

Hey, how does Master Chief beat Yharon in the lore? Trying to scale him with Bugs Bunny and Xeroc

[dusk bronze]

they could make an integrated subworld library

[misty wren]

no, no, subworlds existed beforehand

[thick coyote]

oh ok

i thought subworld library added the functionality to the game

[plain mantle]

He does yeah

[misty wren]

the issue is that they also all sucked absolute dick

[halcyon seal]

Subworlds are insanely impressive in general honestly

[ashen pagoda]

that was one year ago, minimum, so they probably improved it since my world was corrupted

[halcyon seal]

Like how is that shit possible in terraria

I think SGAmod was one of the first big mods to use subworlds in a meaningful way and

Man, it was so fucking cool

[misty wren]

(pinkymod has like 17 subworlds and im fairly certain all of them have a pretty high chance of just flat out bricking your world if you enter them)

[thick coyote]

i dont unerstand whats impressive about it, its just like any instanced content in any other game isnt it

[distant raft]

did you happen to have catalyst and boss checklist too

[ashen pagoda]

Ah I think it was PinkyMod

[plain mantle]

Yeah but it’s in the mess that is terraria code

[misty wren]

at the very least, speaking from experience, the first subworld does

[stuck kite]

the main problem with subworld library dependency was that if it were to break one day it can be a massive bottleneck

[ashen pagoda]

I thought it was the library

[halcyon seal]

For years I was like “man I wish we had dimensions like modded mc does, but terraria prob just can’t do that, so I get it”

[thick coyote]

is terraria code a mess? I hadnt heard any memes about terraria spagehtti so i assumed it was tidy

[misty wren]

well yeah it uses the library but the library has to use vanilla code

[halcyon seal]

And then I played SGA

And they have like 4 subworlds in there

And all of them are INSANE

[misty wren]

oh it fucking sucks

[thick coyote]

i see

[plain mantle]

Trying to remove lava drops from lava slimes like. killed half the game.

[dusk bronze]

it's the second worst coded popular video game

[halcyon seal]

Go play SGA if you’re ever downgrading to 1.3 tmod btw

Absolutely incredible mod

[thick coyote]

whats the first

[dusk bronze]

undertale

[distant raft]

pokemon rbgy

[misty wren]

if you play sga make sure its a version before the regen rework

[stuck kite]

im sure there are possibly worse

but its up there

[halcyon seal]

Regen rework?

[sacred marlin]

Fortnite and its ancient decaying netcode

[thick coyote]

gen 1 gets a pass for the time/system and the fact that the game isnt actually that buggy when you just play it normally

[ashen pagoda]

Alright thanks but I’ll still give it a couple of months to see if any bugs come up

[thick coyote]

1/256 glitch is the only glitch a regular player typically runs into

[grave geyser]

gen 1 has glitches not bugs

that said

[cobalt wharf]

no gen 1 also has bugs

[grave geyser]

the topic was bad code not bugs

so

[plain mantle]

gen 1 has charizard

[halcyon seal]

It is very buggy

[thick coyote]

it is not, i have played gen 1 many times and the only bug i regularly run into is 1/256

[dusk bronze]

the missingno in question

[halcyon seal]

I can say with 100% certainty that, without you knowing it, you have encountered a bug in Gen 1

[thick coyote]

then its fine?

[cobalt wharf]

several things just had incorrect stats or did the wrong thing

[misty wren]

they reworked regen, yes
now you can only regen a certain amount of hp, with you being able to regen more via using healing potions (alternatively you can reset the tally via just killing yourself)

[thick coyote]

"buggy" to me implies it hampers the expereince

[grave geyser]

you will not find them without going out of the way to do so

[thick coyote]

gen 1 bugs dont do that

[cobalt wharf]

like the one move that makes you guarantee all hits are crits

[misty wren]

these are nested subjects

[thick coyote]

thats not a bug though thats just how crits work in gen 1

[dusty tinsel]

The lava drop killing half the game is just like that meme of the coconut image keeping one of the tf games operating lol

[halcyon seal]

Not how they’re supposed to work with Slash

[grave geyser]

focus energy just doing the reverse of what its supposed to do

[halcyon seal]

Or Focus Energy

[stuck kite]

actually a majority of the reason terraria is fucked up is that the game is actively maintained with 14 year old code

[dusk bronze]

load bearing slime

[thick coyote]

Explain becuase im pretty sure gen 1 high crit rate moves are working as intended

they are just busted

[stuck kite]

so team fortress coconut is not a bad comparison i think

[lapis oak]

Lava Slime still drops lava when killed🫠

sometimes

[dusty tinsel]

Why is pokemon talk here

[misty wren]

a bug is just something that doesnt work correctly, whether its intentionally used or not determines if its also considered a glitch

[halcyon seal]

I’m going to assume that the devs didn’t want to include a Hyper Beam with no recharge in their game (even though they also did that, kinda)

[thick coyote]

Terraria code is a mess > Other popular games that are buggy > pokemon gen 1 > i dont like how people meme on gen 1 because you dont run into many bugs that ruin the game expereince when you play

[thick coyote]

Thats not the question i asked

[misty wren]

see: wrong warping in undertale
it functions because of a bug, and is a bug, but the way its used and the fact that its intentionally activated makes it considered a glitch

[thick coyote]

btw evidence for crits just working that way in gen 1 is that stadium fixed many bugs but didnt fix auto crits

[halcyon seal]

Fair enough, got me there

[thick coyote]

(hyper beam too)

thoguh that might have been becuase of the meta impact of fixing that bug

[misty wren]

tldr saying pokemon gen1 has glitches and not bugs is a misrepresentation of what a glitch is

[thick coyote]

and the people who made stadium def cared about meta since they included the tournament finalists

[dusty tinsel]

every game should clearly just accept their bugs as features like skyrim did

[thick coyote]

trueeee

[misty wren]

hoik

[halcyon seal]

I would love to see the alternate timeline where all gen 1 jank stayed in the modern day

[thick coyote]

bring back the recharge reset

itd be peak

[halcyon seal]

Oh my god imagine playing against Inteleon

With guaranteed crit snipe shots

[thick coyote]

wdym its already a guaranteed crit when im not using it

[arctic cliff]

I’m late

why swap classes between desert prowler and snow ruffian

[halcyon seal]

Makes more sense with desert prowler set bonus

[misty wren]

ranged already has a desert armor set at that same tier

[halcyon seal]

Also desert prowler being ranged means Ranger has two desert sets

[arctic cliff]

I’m aware of that, but still

I preferred the sets as such

[thick coyote]

uh

l bozo i guess

[arctic cliff]

Clearly we should rework fossil armor to be a combination armor of both prowler and ruffian armors

[thick coyote]

having 2 ranger sets at the same tier in the same biome

is pretty horrific design

so its a good change imo

[arctic cliff]

True…

[rose laurel]

The answer is moreso that Rogue has no easily accessible armor in early game and that's required for Stealth

[thick coyote]

like if fossil wasnt also pre boss youd be cooking

but they're not

[arctic cliff]

Still, I don’t want supercrit set bonus stolen by rogue, let them make their own one

[misty wren]

,you do know that snow ruffian is a pretty barebones armor set in terms of bonuses

[halcyon seal]

I feel like best solution would just be making both snow ruffian and desert prowler rogue tbh

Snow for spam, desert for stealth

[rose laurel]

The sets are thematically sound, but they'll ultimately be changed

[thick coyote]

another point for snow ruffian being ranger btw

Frost Armor

[rose laurel]

This is a bandaid fix because we aren't gonna rework those two right now nor fix the general underlying issues that motivated this change in SSO

[arctic cliff]

it’s almost as if I was only half serious
(If we were serious, we could just move fossil to a later tier)

[misty wren]

the only part of this that cant be changed out for another class' stats is the max stealth

[thick coyote]

i didnt even see your joke suggestion

i wasnt responding to that at all

lmao

[arctic cliff]

oh

[misty wren]

it doesnt do a whole lot for rogue except give stealth

[thick coyote]

was just saying your opinion would be cooking

lol

[arctic cliff]

insert hair explosion emote

[trail pilot]

Do I do calamity facts

[arctic cliff]

go ahead

Actually I should go and try to analyze calamity’s volcanology (abyss, sulph sea and brimstone crags)

[misty wren]

(sidenote why does desert prowler give +1 flat damage but also give single shot bonuses these 2 things are kinda antithetical)

[arctic cliff]

Move that to fossil armor, clearly

[misty wren]

move. what to fossil

[arctic cliff]

Flat damage doofus

[thick coyote]

Sorry it gives flat damage???

thats so funny

but i get it conceptually

[misty wren]

you referred to it as "that" while not specifying which of the 2 things mentioned you were referring to

[arctic cliff]

hmm

[thick coyote]

gives it Minishark synergy which is cute since the arms dealer likes the desert

[arctic cliff]

Yeah

[misty wren]

yeah, part of the set bonus

[trail pilot]

Level 10 (since I did some yesterday)
How many time did dog got resprited? Counts both final phase and first phase resprite

Lv11 who made arsenal lab theme?

Lv12 How big was leviathan old days?

1. Stupidly huge
2. Smol
3. Current

Spoiler answer please

[north island]

And won't there be pre-boss armor for the mage? Because the jungle isn't very accessible in the early stages either.

[trail pilot]

Jungle is

[misty wren]

wizard armor

[trail pilot]

I always use platinum regardless class tho

[north island]

Yes, but I feel like farming the jungle one is almost the same as farming the fossil one and the snow one.

[misty wren]

neither of those are hard to farm

[thick coyote]

Lv. 10 idfk

Lv. 11 || Heart ||

Lv. 12 || 1 ||

why tf level 10 the hardest

[misty wren]

nobody keeps count

[trail pilot]

||its ten time||

[misty wren]

i think its something like ||11 phase 2 and 10 phase 1||

[thick coyote]

no i mean why is it harder than the others

but thats a funny joke

so i get it

[trail pilot]

||first 7 time, final 3 time, total ten||

[thick coyote]

anyways || thank god i got level 11 right and it wasnt some weird scenario where the composer doesnt have a yt so it got posted on hearts channel ||

[naive ice]

OH MY GOD FINALLY ITS A TOGGLE

also, yeah it makes way more sense for rouge to have desert prowler imo

[silk terrace]

wtf theres spoilers today

yummy

[arctic cliff]

No, ranger doesn’t deserve one of its few good set bonuses stolen

[lapis oak]

no it doesn't

you're just used to it

[naive ice]

Changelog techically, but that counts according to the channel

[lyric trellis]

Ranger will live

[naive ice]

Fuck ranger

[arctic cliff]

You shoulda said “no it does”

1 supercrit electron to every one of kiri’s atoms

[lapis oak]

😢 ESL moment

I'll never recover from this

[naive ice]

I’m…conflicted on the food drop thing

[lapis oak]

just like how vanilla intended

a lil snax

[silk terrace]

wait all this time they were just trying to revert or remove all clam changes to vanilla shit?

[lapis oak]

mostly Fabsol's changes

[rich ginkgo]

the de-fabsolification shall commence once more

[silk terrace]

aw man I kinda liked the master mode enemy nerf and the boss enraging instead of despawning change man

[grave geyser]

master mode enemy mode just contributed to "enemies dont exist in cal" problems

[naive ice]

It’s just…the ones who drop certain foods are…questionable

[wraith yew]

So the NPCs won’t sell food anymore?

[lapis oak]

Master Mode nerfed enemies to the point now they don't even exist before getting splashed out of existence

[rich ginkgo]

true

in vanilla everything is a threat lmao

[naive ice]

I think so

[rich ginkgo]

in cal you just

destroy everything

[wraith yew]

Better stock up on grapes now I guess

[naive ice]

You become the bedrock wither

[lapis oak]

game shouldn't be threatening with only bosses if you're play on what called "Master Mode"

[rich ginkgo]

more like witherstorm

[naive ice]

Yeah

[wraith yew]

Will sea king still sell delicious meat though?

[silk terrace]

ok and the enrage to despawn change is for?

[lapis oak]

it's vanilla thing for vanilla bosses

[naive ice]

Why the fuck do the antlions drop banana split? Why does a skeleton give fries?

[naive ice]

…perma sells meat

[dull heart]

permafrost will still sell delicious meat yes

[lapis oak]

the reason why vanilla bosses are enraged outside of their biomes is because of to justify Malice Mode's existence

[wraith yew]

Yay

[dusk bronze]

it's so very delicious

[lapis oak]

which, got removed long ago

[naive ice]

WHY DO THE GRANITE FUCKS DROP SPAGHETTI

[silk terrace]

are you fucki- omfg I thought it was QoL

goddamnit

[dull heart]

yeah

It's literally so that malice could say it used enraged AIs

[naive ice]

WHY DO SPIDERS GIVE YOU FRIED EGGS

[dusk bronze]

spider eggs

[dull heart]

spider eggs

[dusk bronze]

duh

[lapis oak]

spider eggs as big as your head

😨

[naive ice]

WHO THE FUCK IS EATING SPIDER EGGS

[rich ginkgo]

me

i am

[dull heart]

you

fried spider eggs

I mean like

The size of those spiders

The eggs would be realistically usable for food

[naive ice]

WHY DOES THE BUMBLEFUCK TRIO DROP POTATO CHIPS! WHY DO THE FLYING HALLOW SLIMES DROP COOKIES

[lapis oak]

spider

[rich ginkgo]

spider eggs are just packed with hundreds of tinier spiders

i dont think they'd really be viable for eating lol

unless you're into spider cereal

[naive ice]

WHY DOES THE CHAOS CREW DROP FUCKING PIE

[silk terrace]

the slimes stole the cookies from my grandma's home

[lapis oak]

what you mean spider eggs clearly have yummy spider egg yolks inside

[silk terrace]

they baked them

[naive ice]

Why is vanilla so god damn stupid

[plain mantle]

Funny

[lapis oak]

rolling cactus funniest shit

[dull heart]

I should ping red

And tell him

sticky boulder

bouncy rolling cactus

[rich ginkgo]

boulder rain

terraria is literally just

[dull heart]

explosing boulder

[rich ginkgo]

a shitpost

[silk terrace]

moon lord boulder explosion

[distant raft]

electric chair boulder 🤤

[lapis oak]

isn't there bouncing boulder coming up for 1.4.5

[rich ginkgo]

yes

pink bouncy boulder

🤤

[dull heart]

we need

[naive ice]

I want to die.

[dull heart]

splitting bouncy boulder

After 2 bounces splits into mini bouncing bounders

[silk terrace]

how about

a self multiplying boulder

[plain mantle]

Chaos Boulder that teleports randomly

[hardy gulch]

Bouncy boulder in secret seeds

[stuck kite]

bouncy cactus poo boulder

[silk terrace]

every bounce it spawns a mini boulder and continues on until your game crashes

[dull heart]

wait wait

Leviathan Boulder

[plain mantle]

Every time I’m reminded of poo blocks in this game it’s against my will

[lapis oak]

keep going

I'm interested

[dull heart]

It's a boulder that is the size of leviathan spits

[naive ice]

I-I can feel. My will to live. Slowly deteriorating. Along with my sanity. And faith in humanity.

[hardy gulch]

Boulder that destroys tiles as it rolls

[lapis oak]

that sounds like an old thing from an old mod that I watched

[plain mantle]

Faith Boulder that bounces towards your cursor when activated

[dull heart]

DIGGING MOLEDER

[plain mantle]

WE ACTIVATING QUEEN BEE WITH THIS ONE

[stuck kite]

bohldohr but boulder

[dull heart]

Abouldermination

[plain mantle]

Queen Beelder that spawns Queen Bee with every bounce

[dull heart]

Bouncy Hives

[plain mantle]

Exactly

[naive ice]

I’m serious. Every gods damned second of this conversation is breaking down my sanity

[plain mantle]

sanity boulder that drains your sanity while on screen

[dull heart]

MORTIS

[plain mantle]

if you die to it spiders rain down from the top of the screen

[stuck kite]

🪨

[naive ice]

You do that already

[plain mantle]

[naive ice]

[naive ice]

God I wish i could pregnant man you

[grave geyser]

what a statement

surely no one would screenshot that message to use out of context later

[summer shore]

I have the power

[naive ice]

I would love to become a reaction image

[naive ice]

How did you know

[raw bluff]

ah shit

[grave geyser]

if that was this patch phm% would be such a pain

[raw bluff]

wofless will suffer greatly

[frail owl]

welp there goes rev's life regen cap

[naive ice]

Good.

[frail owl]

[grave geyser]

wofless will be fine when this actually drops

because clone still has an enrage

[raw bluff]

i was mostly talking about destroyert

[frail owl]

[grave geyser]

mhm

[dusk bronze]

destroyer unnecessary in sso

[lapis oak]

life regen build goes hard

[dusk bronze]

eye of desolation at iron anvil

[raw bluff]

i swear at some point you still need a mithril anvil

[lapis oak]

🐠 🌟

[lapis oak]

at that point you can shimmer higher tier ore

[naive ice]

I want to die

[snow lotus]

how is no more blood sample and rotten matter gonna work i wonder>

[grave geyser]

99% of recipies just die

spawns get moved to aerialite

[lapis oak]

spawners use Aerialite now, and you can shimmer the crafts into each other because they're boss drops

so those 2 are basically of no uses

[snow lotus]

huh neat, i wonder if they are gonna make finding the shimmer easier since that seems like an intended thing now

[lapis oak]

ye there's gonna be a structure

to mark the shimmer

[dusk bronze]

on the surface

[snow lotus]

im all for that, finding the shimmer is rough sometimes lol

[raw bluff]

my ritual of using the color of dungeon brick and jungle shrine material will be redundant now :((((((

[brave star]

Where did u get this

[lapis oak]

what

it's an old spoiler

🐠 🌟

[slate folio]

Wait where was this posted

Oh

[lapis oak]

in here

[brave star]

Lost shoals

[pearl sentinel]

holy changelogs

its so hope

[rose laurel]

The future shines with eternal hope

[shut ridge]

omg

sso this month

[brave star]

Hello Madeline

[rose laurel]

Hi

[rich ginkgo]

we got to exactly 700 changes in the logs

[lapis oak]

the nefarious 300 more in YuH's basement

[rich ginkgo]

nope they’re gonna release sso at exactly 999

[hard copper]

we must raid yuhs basement and free them!

[rich ginkgo]

just to piss us off

the 1000th changelog should be uhhh ummmm

[hard copper]

added yharim

[grave geyser]

1001 - removed yharim

[hard copper]

true

[rich ginkgo]

still hoping phase 2 yharon sprite is him turning into a literal phoenix

as in engulfed in flames

[spark kiln]

why

[grave geyser]

so that ranger doenst have 2 pre boss ranger sets

in the desert

[lapis oak]

and easier access for Rogue as some'd say, which it needs

[cobalt wharf]

ranger still has 2 preboss ranger sets

just now theyre even more similar to eachother

[arctic cliff]

True

The sheer amount of hoops needed when all you need to do is deal with the fact that fossil armor is chronically boring

[lapis oak]

talking about vfx/shaders not long ago actually what weapons use shaders other than Gruesome Eminence 🤔

because I used to think Photoviscerator uses shaders but apparently not

[twin juniper]

I think dragon breath does

[lapis oak]

oh ye that one

it looks really nice

[fast vessel]

It doesn’t? Do the other miracle weapons use it? Exo blade and subsuming vortex definitely look like they do. The rainbow party canon looks like it.

[cinder hearth]

The rainbow party cannon is just a lot of dust isn't it

[latent portal]

man

this is great

aquatic emblem meta

[lapis oak]

Photoviscerator beam apparently is literally just a bunch of particles stacked together, but they aren't vanilla dust sprites so it doesn't look depressing

[cinder hearth]

That means giving up on your helmet tho

[grave geyser]

indeed it does

[lapis oak]

too bad bud Aquatic Emblem is being replaced by infinite potion pouch

[latent portal]

it seems a fair exchange for me

[latent portal]

dang

[grave geyser]

wha

[latent portal]

i forgot is being reworked

[cinder hearth]

Huh?

[lapis oak]

Doze said so in cmt

[latent portal]

well i'm pretty sure there's still some fun things with the fish bowl

[lapis oak]

remove Icarus's Folly

[fast vessel]

What’s the infinite potion pouch?

[lapis oak]

new item dropped by Aquatic Scourge, you put in 2 potions and make them have infinite duration

[cinder hearth]

Damn

Wait is it an accessory

[lapis oak]

no

[cinder hearth]

Yo that's peak

[fast vessel]

Oh, sick. Are there upgrades or no?

[cinder hearth]

Regen + life force potions

[grave geyser]

if it was an accessory it would be so unbelievably pointless

[cinder hearth]

Wait, can I use multiple of them

[lapis oak]

not right now but I don't think there'll be an upgrade

[fast vessel]

The real question

[lapis oak]

we'll just have to see

definitely not

[cinder hearth]

[fast vessel]

:(

[lapis oak]

otherwise people's inventory would just be filled with 500 pouchs

[fast vessel]

Looks like I will continue to use Fargo’s mutant mod.

[cinder hearth]

Aquatic scourge genocide

Anyways, infinite life force finally

[misty wren]

thats the issue with potions

there are too goddamn many good ones

[lapis oak]

too good of consumables

the pouch

[cinder hearth]

Honestly one of them is clearly gonna be life force

Expensive to make, extremely powerful

[lapis oak]

annoying one to farm definitely gonna go there

[misty wren]

see i just wont use it

[misty wren]

im a nycros + potionsafe gamer

[cinder hearth]

The other slot could probably be the OPPOSITE evil's damage potion

As in, wrath or rage

[lapis oak]

I'll put in regen

regen build goes hard

[cinder hearth]

Regen is so easy to make tho

Mushroom + daybloom

[main falcon]

Wdym enemy nerf revertion

[normal kayak]

686 - Removed Rotten Matter and Blood Sample. so will the post- evil boss 2 drops need aerialite now or smthn? or will they just not be craftable since they already drop from their respective bosses?

[main falcon]

I was wondering that too

[lapis oak]

recipes most likely will just die, as now you can shimmer between them

[pine vortex]

They won't be craft able, but you'll be able to shimmer between the drops

[main falcon]

I'm more worried about the regent cap removal

[normal kayak]

ngl amazing change if so, its always nice to see shimmer be utilized more

[main falcon]

I alredy was a regeneration sucker

[misty wren]

there are like 17 different regen accessories the cap removal is just a good thing

[main falcon]

But this is gonna turn me into armstrong

[lapis oak]

regen build supremacy 🗣️

[normal kayak]

also we might be able to get the boss summons before beating the bosses themselves :D

no more waiting for good cyst spawns

[misty wren]

because no longer do they have to be only debuff mitigators now they can actually be full regen accessories

[lapis oak]

nah, they'll use Aerialite

[normal kayak]

why are we being denied our boss spawns 😭

[pine vortex]

Assuming evil2 is still going to be the ones unlocking aerialite

[lapis oak]

just gotta hope your Cysts won't spawn offscreen too often

[cinder hearth]

On the other hand, tanking (not face tanking) builds are already REALLY really strong

[pine vortex]

That might be dragon follys job if it gets shifted to prehm

[cinder hearth]

And no Regen cap means they could become even stronger

[lapis oak]

ye

[cinder hearth]

It will be for now probably

[main falcon]

Nanomachines son

[lapis oak]

enemies damage and player defense are getting toned down

[misty wren]

^

[main falcon]

Oh shit the bloodfin

The regen cap removal will make it broken

[rich ginkgo]

no

dragonfolly will iirc

[misty wren]

tanking as a whole needs to be tuned down, there being a regen cap is a (very bad) bandaid fix to tanking being fucking absurd

[lapis oak]

right now, the swap won't happen in SSO

[misty wren]

this is assuming folly gets moved

[normal kayak]

i have not heard of dragonfolly getting moved to pre-hm, very sad for him

[main falcon]

Because the bloodfin buff gives what

[normal kayak]

i NEED my bird to be stronger than moonlord

[rich ginkgo]

oh, yeah lmao

i dont think anyone expected the swap to happen in sso

[main falcon]

15 regen per second

[rich ginkgo]

it will

[lapis oak]

he's just a lil bird 🥺

[normal kayak]

my baby birb that can kill like half the gods in the mod 🥺

[pine vortex]

I, for some reason, did think the swap was happening in SSO

[main falcon]

Omega bloodfin is real

[pine vortex]

Must've confused it with the doc

[rich ginkgo]

it’s a very reoccurring suggestion

[main falcon]

It was Just the regen cap removal

[normal kayak]

bloodfin nerf to 2hp/s coming soon

[rich ginkgo]

it’s like a 99% chance it happens

no reason for it not to

[misty wren]

2.5 hp/s with an additional 2.5 hp/s if debuffed with an additional 2 hp/s if under 75%

so up to 14 regen

i believe

[main falcon]

Wait

Wouldn't this make omega blue armor less viable

[rich ginkgo]

my solution to nerfing tank is just nerf melee defense

[misty wren]

no

[main falcon]

Because of how strong regen will become

[lapis oak]

Omega Blue is still for the damage build

[misty wren]

omega blue has a fuckload of lifesteal

[rich ginkgo]

true melee will be buffed later to help them out with lower defense against bosses

[misty wren]

its never been a tanky armor set

[main falcon]

I see

How did the regen cap work

[misty wren]

this does not fix tanking

melee is not the cause of tanking being absurd

[cinder hearth]

Yeah

[rich ginkgo]

solution #2
nerf draedons heart

[misty wren]

that also does not fix tanking being absurd

[lapis oak]

defense problems

[misty wren]

the issue is not one singular class or a post exos accessory

dheart is busted out the shit yes but nerfing it wont fix tanking

[rich ginkgo]

solution number two is a joke that’s already an endgame accessory and barely matters

and id like to ask how nerfing the tankiest class doesnt help

with the problem

[cinder hearth]

Stuff like warding, the entire radiance line, rover drive/sponge, those are sadly what cause tanking to be so good

[lapis oak]

every single class can be tanky

[rich ginkgo]

especially when nerfing the defense of said class

which allows for tanking

[lapis oak]

and also defense being a flat stat with decreasing damage received

[rich ginkgo]

people actually tank with other classes?? what??

[lapis oak]

yes

[misty wren]

yes???

[lapis oak]

it's not unusual

[rich ginkgo]

..why

[misty wren]

because

tanking

is

fucking

overpowered

[lapis oak]

because every class can tank

[rich ginkgo]

if you’re ranger or summoner why the fuck do you need to tank if you’re gonna be dodging

focus on accessories buffing the class

[misty wren]

congrats thats. tanking accessories

[lapis oak]

🤨 ?

defensive accs is universal

[misty wren]

anyways yeah this mindest is the reason tanking is so broken

[rich ginkgo]

as in damage or mechanics 💀

[pine vortex]

Because tanking the occasional hit you get while still dodging as much as you can still helps with survivability

[rich ginkgo]

bonus stealth doesnt = tanking accessories

ah yes eclipse mirror my fav tanking accessory

[lapis oak]

because damage build is inferior in game like Terraria

[rich ginkgo]

deadshot brooch, 10/10

[lapis oak]

with how defense works

[rich ginkgo]

mot really lmao just get better and dodge

[pine vortex]

You're reforging them to warding

[rich ginkgo]

nope i use menacing nice try

[lapis oak]

I can just not dodge and facetank everything

[rich ginkgo]

im not falling for warding propaganda

[lapis oak]

play smart not hard

[rich ginkgo]

i dont need warding

smh

[misty wren]

the mindset of "well you dont need to tank because you're going to be dodging" leads to "well nobody uses the tanking accessories so they must be underpowered" which leads to "we need to buff tanking accessories to make tanking viable" which leads us to the situation we're currently in where tanking is comically overpowered

[lapis oak]

but yeah in game like Terraria where defense is a flat increase in how much damage you take, it's tough

every single point of defense you get is better, while additive damage bonus is getting less effective the more you have

[rich ginkgo]

i promise you nobody is gonna be finding tanking accessories underpowered because people want to opt out for dodging instead

which would then lead to a random buff out of nowhere ???

[cinder hearth]

Listen, if you're gonna be an offensive reforge main like myself, at least use lucky, unless you're doing summoner

[misty wren]

except that is historically exactly what has happened

[pine vortex]

Good for you, and menacing is great and all, but that doesn't change how warding is considered the best reforge

[rich ginkgo]

and would it happen again looking at tanking now

lol

[rich ginkgo]

i like half lucky half menacing

[misty wren]

tanking being fucking overpowered was only really noticed because of one guy (mpg) doing some batshit insane things

[cinder hearth]

That has happened in the past

Did you know that , not a very long time ago, everyone was going glass Cannon? That's why they buffed warding at all in calamity. To make it more appealing. Because everyone thought "oh why would I need more defense if killing enemies faster means I need to take less hits"

[misty wren]

him advocating nearly nonstop for tanking to be nerfed is why we know that tanking is as good as it is

[lapis oak]

also defensive accs being powerful leads to more diverse builds as you can opt in 1 or 2 of it in a damage build and still get great benefits, while stacking defensive accs together make them become less effective overall

[rich ginkgo]

okay here’s solution #3

nerf warding

[lapis oak]

if it's not like that then the builds will become so rigid and monotone as either you opt in full tank or full damage

[rich ginkgo]

NOW problem is solved

[lapis oak]

no inbetween

[misty wren]

heres a better solution than any you've proposed so far wizadam
Nerf tanking as a whole, rather than trying to go for individual parts of the problem

[rich ginkgo]

and how would that be executed

[lapis oak]

defense damage of course

[versed notch]

Delete defence

[misty wren]

across the board nerfs to defensive accessories, damage reduction, warding, and to a lesser extent enemy damage

[eager sequoia]

I think what terraria needs in general is a rework to how defense scales down damage. It could be an exponential decay percentage based system where the more defense you get the less impactful it becomes. Having flat reduction means that it becomes very difficult to deal any damage to players

[lapis oak]

anyways, I'll watch and see

[eager sequoia]

Of course a fundamental change to defense probably won’t happen any time soon

[misty wren]

there is no One Singular Thing that makes tanking overpowered

its a culmination of a whole fuckload of Really Good Things that makes tanking completely batshit

[rich ginkgo]

wow

couldnt have seen that one coming

[lapis oak]

also decrease enemy damage makes it less punishing for not trying to not build tank

which is, what they're doing now

toning down both defensive accs and enemy damage

to make damage build be comparable

[rich ginkgo]

buff draedons heart

[lapis oak]

true