calamity-update-talk

[steep path]

watching a first time calamity player on my other monitor rn and watching them talk about how much insanely harder this boss is compared to the previous ones lol

[boreal edge]

The Fabsolian changes

[steep path]

It got to the point where I started just saving her for either post lc or post moon lord 😭

[pulsar cobalt]

plague in post ml

as god inten-

💥

[steep path]

💥
That would be a sick tier shift actually

[lapis oak]

too much bloat? just put them in post ML

[urban cloak]

the bloat cycle

[twin juniper]

plaguekeeper is back

[summer shore]

plague post cultist surely

[buoyant pulsar]

felt that way for me too

[dusk bronze]

died 2025
born 2018
welcome back plague keeper

[buoyant pulsar]

the dash isn't the problem, it's that trying to focus on avoiding a very dangerous something you can barely see and also trying to focus on the complex dashes at the same time is disproportionately difficult

#suggestions-voting message

i made a suggestion on it explaining it more

[fathom girder]

That

is very fair

Fossil stomp is what I'm calling my view of calamity because I'm apparently stuck in like, calamity from 2 or 3 years ago

[main pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-eggman-game-kick-falling-gif-15623064

[fathom girder]

[orchid finch]

So true Mihaii

[ornate nexus]

I don't know where to ask this

But I heard that they're changing how Revengeance and Death mode works

[dusk bronze]

correct

[ornate nexus]

Specifically with making them separate modes instead of like

Master - Revengeance

[dusk bronze]

you'll only be able to enable rev on expert, and death on master

so death will be buffed rev for master only

like how master is buffed expert

[ornate nexus]

You can't do like for example.

Go on master mode, then enable Rev

[dusk bronze]

you won't be able to, no

[ornate nexus]

Ah

Makes sense

Is it anytime soon

Or like

"Dragon Aerie" type of shit

[dusk bronze]

not quite that far away

but after sso 1 for sure

how far after? idk

[ornate nexus]

What's SSO 1

I haven't been keeping track of ts

[dusk bronze]

sunken sea overhaul part 1

[pulsar cobalt]

next update

[ornate nexus]

Ah

[dusk bronze]

the next major update

and the biggest in history

[lyric trellis]

The rev and death changes are next update

[obtuse hawk]

head in hands... fellas NEVER been keeping track of the calamatoing

[ornate nexus]

Gaming

[lyric trellis]

In sso

[dusk bronze]

no, the vanilla master changes are

they're different

[lyric trellis]

I need to make a graphic or something because explaining this in hell

[ornate nexus]

Also as another question. How much content is planned to be after the Exo + Scal. Since I always thought Enchanting was weird to be put so late into the game.

[dusk bronze]

just the aerie and yharim

[wicked lotus]

Aerie?

[dusk bronze]

possibly noxus and xeroc also

[ornate nexus]

Got it

[dusk bronze]

biome

read lore

[wicked lotus]

Oohhh that one, thanks

[ornate nexus]

Yeah idk I just found it weird that "Wow I can enchant my weapons and use it on... ONE NEW BOSS "

[dusk bronze]

also shadowspec will be moved to post yharim when he's added

[ornate nexus]

(if you do scal before exo)

[wicked lotus]

Would shadowspec be moved further once post-yharim superbosses are added?

[ornate nexus]

Would be funny if Shadowspec was pre-Yharim

[dusk bronze]

i don't think so but i'm not sure

[ornate nexus]

[lapis oak]

Rev and Death changes are next update

[dusk bronze]

who fucking said this

[ornate nexus]

Honestly, although I know the lore technically makes it apparent that Clonemitas isn't even human anymore.

Is it weird that I really wish she had like a mutated humanoid form?

[dusk bronze]

she will

[ornate nexus]

Like it resembles Calamitas but it's just

[dusk bronze]

eye is dying

[ornate nexus]

Fucked

[dusk bronze]

eventually

[ornate nexus]

I always thought that the eye makes sense for a first phase type thing

And then you "break" it

[dusk bronze]

every single boss except levi, scal, exos and provi will be resprited in the future

even then, there's a slim chance exos or provi will

[ornate nexus]

Like idk I always thought it was a tube/incubator of sorts

[vivid hemlock]

are you being fr

[dusk bronze]

that's what they rewrote it into

[wicked lotus]

Reworking away all vanilla boss reskins. What a calamity

[ornate nexus]

Yeah so I thought that keeping the eye for the first phase would be interesting

[dusk bronze]

did i miss calamity con 2025 or something the hell is going on

how does everyone else know this

[ornate nexus]

Just that the second phase would have the fucked up Clonemitas come out

[ornate nexus]

Yharim spoke to them

[dusk bronze]

you'll have to take that up with rebecca
pretty sure she's shooting eye dead in toronto

[ornate nexus]

I still find it really funny that this God-King is basically watching this random ass MF since the beginning

Idk like it's funny to imagine Yharim watching us while we sleep

And Yharon is like

"Dude come on, just go outside."

"No."

[dusk bronze]

lmao

[ornate nexus]

Damn

RIP

[dusk bronze]

also fun fact
[actually after sso] lore items will be reworked into seeing stones you find on the ground or something

[ornate nexus]

That's even funnier honestly

Yharim throwing a rock just to send a message to us

[dusk bronze]

"catch dumbass"

wham

[ornate nexus]

Bro is literally so depressed that he's watching a random mf die to boulders for the 6th time

(me)

[wicked lotus]

So you defeat a boss and a random stone falls down with a message written on it?
Should be able to die to it then for funny message

[dusk bronze]

it's unclear how they will be obtained

[pulsar cobalt]

singular stone

not multiple

[dusk bronze]

thank god

i was hoping

manifesting even

[wicked lotus]

It's a compendium?!

[dusk bronze]

this is the best possible outcome

[pulsar cobalt]

yea

[dusk bronze]

ok so it updates periodically

when new lore

[pulsar cobalt]

itll be a place for where all the yharim stuff will be

[dusk bronze]

peak

[ornate nexus]

Honestly should've been a magical mirror. But that would be difficult to separate from the two other magical mirrors

[wicked lotus]

[ornate nexus]

Because it always seemed like Yharim was directly talking to us

[dusk bronze]

he is

[ornate nexus]

I always thought that it was like a Dio situation

[pulsar cobalt]

plus being a singular item u get from the start means u can have different unlock conditions aside from killing bosses

[pulsar cobalt]

like the underworld section being gotten when u first explore hell

instead of post wof

[ornate nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-jo-jo-jo-jos-bizarre-adventure-shadow-dio-shadow-gif-19504647

I always imagined Yharim doing something like this

[lapis oak]

epic embed failed

[ornate nexus]

And it hasn't embedded for some reason

Wtf

[dusk bronze]

no perms

[ornate nexus]

Damn

The gif is the scene of Joseph spying on Dio using his stand + a TV

Dio notices and destroys the TV while calling them out

I always thought that Yharim would do something similar

Idk why

[lapis oak]

Mmm... Flesh Totem

Blue

[gray laurel]

would it possible to redirect sunlight to DIO via tv and instantly kill him

[fathom girder]

can i...

eat the flesh totem

[lyric trellis]

Doesn't look great but hopefully it gets the point across

[lapis oak]

graphics design is my passion

[pulsar cobalt]

i see it as getting the point across. unfortunately we will only know it will work if we get some new people in here who dont understand the system

[proper pine]

is the new brimstone elemental sprite happening?

[fathom girder]

they're removing all the ai that's crazy

[gray folio]

why did we get rid of trasher stacking it was such a good qol. I mean i play with improved angler shop anyhow but. Can we get the rod in a shrine at least.

[fathom girder]

devs want you to engage with the game

's about it really

[gray folio]

Then dont make me fish lmao

Im not engaged when im fishing

[fathom girder]

fishing is part of the game ma'am

you will engage

at theoretical gunpoint

by the angler

[dusty tinsel]

make angler needed for completing the game when

[gray folio]

I mean yeah thats exactly why its a bad change

[pulsar cobalt]

ur never made to fish

[gray folio]

You technically arent

but potions are so incredibly important

[fathom girder]

plus the whole thing made literally every other rod irrelevant

[pulsar cobalt]

blood orbs:

[vivid hemlock]

yep

[dusty tinsel]

golden fishing rod go brrr

[gray folio]

thats just more grinding lmao

[fathom girder]

oh good heavens

[gray folio]

except its slightly more engaging grinding

[pulsar cobalt]

well ur the one who doesnt want to fish

[dusty tinsel]

you get a lot from blood moons lol

[proper pine]

cool i think it looks cool

[gray folio]

it really isnt that much

[dusty tinsel]

this is why i use alch npc lite

i don't have to worry about potions

[gray folio]

you can make like. 3 soaring potions maybe

[fathom girder]

sounds like you aren't farming enough

gotta farm harder

[dusty tinsel]

spawn more blood moons

[gray folio]

Im still waiting for them to bring back the diamond planetoids. One of the dumbest fucking changes ever made in calamity

[dusty tinsel]

i doubt they will bring it back

[gray folio]

i think there are like 2 people who dont play without magic storage. and that allows you to get it early

[fathom girder]

I also love getting things way earlier than I'm supposed to

y'know what give me everything early

[dusty tinsel]

it was removed for a good reason

[fathom girder]

skip the grind I don't wanna actually engage either

[gray folio]

it just makes it where you dont get the hook at all

and you still have to get a gravity planet

[dusty tinsel]

go looking for diamond crawlers

[gray folio]

and go into space

and find a planetoid

[dusty tinsel]

or kill a boss

[fathom girder]

diamond crawlers, jungle hook

amber hook

idk man

[gray folio]

yes

exactly

[fathom girder]

not everything needs to be skipped

[gray folio]

i suppose not but

[dusty tinsel]

plus bosses drop shadow diamonds

[gray folio]

Diamonds are so obnoxious to find

it doesnt make anything not skipped it just makes shit obnoxious.

[proper pine]

what are diamond planetoids?

[dusty tinsel]

which replace diamonds in the magic storage recipies

gem planetoid

it was removed

[gray folio]

idk diamonds are also used in a ton of other recipies which are a pain in the ass to craft.

[lapis oak]

want diamond that bad?

go to lava cave

[dusty tinsel]

lava cave

[lapis oak]

all the diamonds you will ever need

[gray folio]

like if i really wanted diamonds i could just go search for a morbillion years and maybe find some.

[dusty tinsel]

get a bunch of silt and extractinate it

silt can give you diamonds

[gray folio]

but that isnt fun

[pulsar cobalt]

even better

desert fossil

[dusty tinsel]

oh yah that too

[pulsar cobalt]

u literally cant miss it

theres tons of it

[dusty tinsel]

cries when it now shatters when you mine one

[gray folio]

getting an extracinator can also be kind of a pain in the ass

[dusty tinsel]

i guess

[desert path]

really easy to find in the desert

[pulsar cobalt]

higher rates in deserts plus a guranteed one in hell lab

[dusty tinsel]

deserts houses have it a lot

[lapis oak]

there's always 1 guarantee in Hell Lab

[fathom girder]

at this point just use cheatsheat man idk what to tell ya

[lapis oak]

if you want good stuff, work for it

[gray folio]

and if they really wanted to make it where you cant like just immediatly get diamonds.

[naive ice]

Will legendary mode get anything or no

[gray folio]

Just make a boss drop it

[fathom girder]

LITERALLY SHADOW DIAMONDS

I swear

what

Okay okay hold on don't shadow diamonds do that exact thing

[gray folio]

which you cant use for any of the calamity recipies that require diamonds

[fathom girder]

...all 2 of em or sumn

crystalline comes to mind

[lyric trellis]

Idk, seeds can go to hell

[pulsar cobalt]

honestly at this point i gotta be blunt

[naive ice]

Shadow diamonds are for magic storage recipes

[pulsar cobalt]

u sound like u just want an excuse to not use cheat sheet

[gray folio]

also shadow diamonds are kind of rare

i almost never get it

[naive ice]

Fair. Seeds suck

[gray folio]

"i want to get the stuff i need in an engaging and fun way"

"Lol just use cheat sheet at that point bozo"

[pulsar cobalt]

these are the engaging ways they make u explore

[gray folio]

no it doesnt lmao

[pulsar cobalt]

not "go to place that has every resource"

[gray folio]

i mean i guess it does

finding diamonds is fucking miserable

it sucks

[naive ice]

They always drop one on first kill

[lapis oak]

no it's not

you want higher tier gems

go deeper

[pulsar cobalt]

like cal already does five bajillion things to make the early game better it does not need a deposit of every early game material too

[naive ice]

Wouldn’t it be funny if not the bees made every boss have bee based attacks

[dusk bronze]

peak

[rose laurel]

Things can be engaging and not revolve around Bosses

[gray folio]

just give me a way to get diamonds that doesnt suck. mining is fun. Exploring is fun. It is not fun when i need like 3 of this one item that i have looked literally everywhere for.

It can but

[desert path]

I just happen to get them a lot from extractinators tbh

[gray folio]

currently a ton of things in calamity just arent engaging. So many items are just kind of fucking stupid to get.

[rose laurel]

Also it's not our job to make Magic Storage easier to get lmao

[gray folio]

getting a jellyfish necklace stinks.

[tropic jolt]

quantity over quality 🥰

[lapis oak]

we already told you

[gray folio]

i would like to use crystaline.

[lapis oak]

if you want diamonds, dig deeper

[rose laurel]

Jellyfish Necklace sucks balls though I agree

[gray folio]

diamonds are still rare.

i dig deep. I see no diamond

[naive ice]

Skill issue

[desert path]

If you want diamonds go to Y -58

[gray folio]

amazing commentary. Truly, my entire argument has been blown to smithereens.

[desert path]

No seriously though you only need 1 of each gemstone at base nowadays because of gemcorns

[rose laurel]

Yeah there are Gemcorns, Diamond Crawlers, they spawn more frequently in lower layers, and I'm pretty sure you can also get them from Planetoids?

[lyric trellis]

Fabsol balancing every minion around tesla potion

[gray folio]

idk its like. Fishing isnt engaging. Trasher stacking made it somewhat bearable. Now thats gone. Make an actually engaging way to get the rod. Or make less stuff require fishing. Or just. Make blood moons drop more orbs cause. Like yeah you get a decent amount with fishing and stuff.

[pulsar cobalt]

not planetoids

[gray folio]

this is what i was complianing about them getting rid of that years ago

[pulsar cobalt]

theyve been restricted to up to ruby due to being way too fucking easy and powerful

[lapis oak]

good changes

[south meteor]

Fishing is for pussies

[rose laurel]

Why

Why just up to Ruby

[desert path]

I think planetoids can't have sapphire, emerald, ruby, or diamonds

[lapis oak]

not Ruby

[gray folio]

because "nooo you arent supposed to play like that"

[pulsar cobalt]

the rod is barely better than other rods u can find

😭

[rose laurel]

Bro I'm a Dev I agree with Planetoids not giving you fucking everything

[naive ice]

I barely fish

[desert path]

Why do calamity players dislike fishing

[south meteor]

Who sits there and is like “hmm a lovely day in my terraria world i think i want to sit there and do close to nothing for 30 minutes for minimal reward”

[desert path]

I love fishing in terraria

[pulsar cobalt]

because diamond stuff is too powerful to just be a single grav pot away

[rose laurel]

Gravitation Potion = Oops you skipped pre boss

[desert path]

I love making nice little fishing huts in each biome

[gray folio]

the golden fishing rod? the 50 fishing power rod? compared to like. the 20 one. or 25

[south meteor]

Communist

[lapis oak]

best you can find in Planetoids are Amethyst and Topaz

not up to Ruby

[south meteor]

Ok thats actually fair i do too

[naive ice]

I used to despise it but it’s growing on me

[south meteor]

But i dont actually fish in them

[rose laurel]

But like, there are so many ways of getting gems reliably nowadays

I don't think they're an issue

[gray folio]

i guess but it still bugs me.

[south meteor]

I uh

[rose laurel]

They'll become even moreso when we rework the Crawlers

[south meteor]

I use silt

[rose laurel]

There is also extractinator yeah

[pulsar cobalt]

scarab and fibreglass are both 30 and are in places ud alr be exploring (and also fibreglass is 20 percent from jungle crates)

not to mention that baits are far more effective way of getting a good hang in fishing, not rods

[desert path]

every gem (except amber) drops at .15% chance at 1-16 count from desert fossils, and considering how easy it is to get thousands of desert fossils early

and that by mining tons of desert fossils you're likely to find an extractinator

I think early gem acquisition isnt that bad

[lapis oak]

also you're actually bugging out if you say Diamonds are still rare at lava zone

[gray folio]

anyways please i do not want to have to fish for even longer then i already do.

[south meteor]

I barely even think about it

[lapis oak]

I'm seeing 3 huge fucking chunks on the screen

just dig deeper

[rose laurel]

The Trasher thing has always been really stupid and basically just existed because Fabsol woke up one day and said "fuck the Angler"

And then he reworked the Angler

So he's good now

And that doesn't need to exist

[desert path]

Tbh with the addition of speeding up time in beds

Angler quests arent even an issue

in general

[rose laurel]

Also we add Cosmolight

[gray folio]

they are still really tedious. and thats still like a 2 minute wait

anyways just make blood orbs drop more often tbh

or make blood moon fishing less fucking miserable.

[desert path]

Do you not just like
Battle potion blood moons?

[pulsar cobalt]

hey guess what dumbass how do u think the most efficient way ro get blood orbs from a blood moon is

[rose laurel]

You'll NOT want to hear my opinion on Blood Orbs

[rose laurel]

There's no need to be aggressive, Tsuki

[gray folio]

you get like. a decent amount i guess.

[gray folio]

yeah and it fucking blows blood moon fishing sucks

it isnt fun

[misty wren]

oh no my 2 minutes of time this is such a waste of time when i could spend my 2 minutes uhhhhhh queuing up for a game of cod

[pulsar cobalt]

genuinely what do u find fun

[gray folio]

two minutes of waiting for every quest kinda stinks

[desert path]

The most efficient way is to meat grind a billion zombies

[gray folio]

i mean who doesnt have fargos but

[pulsar cobalt]

uve said one thing is fun but not another

even when theyre practically identical

[misty wren]

battle + zerg + death mode + water candle

[gray folio]

im sorry but blood moon fishing really sucks.

[gray folio]

yeah like i said. Its a decent amount. But the later potions are expensive

[gray laurel]

"ooooh thus cometh the fish!"
"WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING"

[dusk bronze]

i want to

[pulsar cobalt]

great reasoning tbh

[arctic cliff]

im going to eat you

:3

[misty wren]

i have gotten 2k blood orbs from a single blood moon using that strategy they are not that rare nor are the potions expensive enough to require thousands upon thousands of blood orbs

[gray folio]

ok so you are just getting knocked around by these assholes. You get the thing you fished up. And its gonna be a dumbass enemy. And then its gonna take you forever to kill that shit. and it sucks and im getting knocked around by everything and i get like 20 blood orbs for my troubles.

[desert path]

Hold on

[gray folio]

i have tried it with battle cry battle potion zerg and water candle idk how the fuck you are getting thousands

[pulsar cobalt]

just box urself in

[rose laurel]

I think they make Potions so painfully easy to get that it has almost made the game be balanced around them multiple times

[desert path]

If you're farming blood orbs, you're either post skele pre HM or grinding out for late HM potion restock

[rose laurel]

However, it's a fact that making Potions is ass

[pulsar cobalt]

by killing things fast theres an npc cap

[pulsar cobalt]

or use summons

[misty wren]

do you perchance enable death mode while farming blood moons

[gray folio]

battle cry bypasses that iirc

[pulsar cobalt]

and also use spawn decreases like peace candle

[gray folio]

i havent touched revengance in like 5 years

[misty wren]

also yeah just like kill things quickly

[south meteor]

Idk the adhd keeps me from ever wanting to fish

[rose laurel]

I think Blood Orbs should instead allow you to make alternative recipes that allows you to like, make 5 potions with the materials of 1

[misty wren]

even preboss it isnt that hard in the slightest

[desert path]

Pre HM blood moon fishing enemies can be boxed out with the correct setup afaik

[rose laurel]

Essentially making it into bulk crafting potions

[desert path]

And if you're using sonar potions (which you should be?) You won't be fishing the wrong thing anyways

[pulsar cobalt]

it doesnt

[arctic cliff]

Yknow?

I like this idea.

This is not dogwater actually

[gray folio]

i mean i get like. 200 or 300 guys

[arctic cliff]

This is holy water

[pulsar cobalt]

it increases the cap but so does the majority of spawn rate increasers

[grave geyser]

that.. makes the problem you described worse unless this takes an exorbant amount of blood orbs, at which point it becomes pointless

[south meteor]

No you dont

[rose laurel]

You still need to get the materials for the actual potion

[gray folio]

ok so the idea i have had for fishing for awhile is a few things. For one, nets that you can cast and get abunch of fish at the same time. But for two, is like fish traps that passivley collect fish. As you progress through the game you get better and better baits and traps, and you could even have some traps for specific biomes.

[misty wren]

preboss i have gotten upwards of about a hundred blood orbs with no spawn rate boosts while inside a town the issue is not the rarity of them

[grave geyser]

yeah but thats never the problem with blood orbs
you can easilly get the stuff for like 5 of a potion in the time it takes you to get enough orbs for like 2 of said potion

[odd reef]

oh boy i love having to factory reset my entire pc so i can update windows to install a fuckass app from the microsoft store so i can submit my assignments for school

[grave geyser]

(at least until hm when blood moon fishing becomes insane)

[lapis oak]

?

wrong place

[south meteor]

I feel like neither of these address how fishing is just kind of sitting there in any given biome and waiting

[misty wren]

thats nice but this is #calamity-update-talk

[rose laurel]

I mean, then good! That means you need to actually do some herb farming and fishing

[pulsar cobalt]

multiline rods alr exist in cal

[gray folio]

they do but nets would be cooler

[misty wren]

no they wouldnt be

[gray folio]

and you could make it be like 10 or 20 fish at a time

[pulsar cobalt]

actually im pretty sure the only rod in cal that isnt multiline is wulfrum

[gray folio]

specifically fish

dont make it give you crates\

[gray laurel]

theres a mod that let you fish with grenade and its cooler than nets imo

[gray folio]

net grenade

[dusty tinsel]

there is a mod that autofishes for you

[gray folio]

the issue isnt the having to fish

[pulsar cobalt]

true !

its also clientside

[misty wren]

then what is the issue

[gray folio]

its the just standing around with my thumb up my ass forever

[misty wren]

you can do something else in that time if its that big of an issue

[south meteor]

But arent both of those essentially the same thing

[gray folio]

Im not doing any of the fun shit, like mining, crafting, building, fighting.

Im just sitting there.

[dusty tinsel]

you can do that with the autofisher

[south meteor]

Im just sitting with a thumb up my ass slightly faster

[dusty tinsel]

you don't need to be there for it to work

[desert path]

Calamity Players when you ask them to enjoy the moment and do something casual like fishing

[misty wren]

i hate to break it to you
crafting is also sitting there with your thumb up your ass

[gray folio]

no it isnt lmao im actually acomplishing something

i have to go get the materials

[grave geyser]

you are acomplishing something with fishing

[gray folio]

and craft the shit.

[south meteor]

Im gonna level with you for a second

[gray folio]

And then im done

[pulsar cobalt]

ur also accomplishing something with fishing

[south meteor]

I kinda specifically play calamity for the bosses

[gray folio]

its not casual its just fucking boring

[south meteor]

Im sorry that i want to fight

Tbe bosses

[misty wren]

you can do that

[gray folio]

i want to go build

i want to go mine

i want to explore

[pulsar cobalt]

mining is also doing nothing

[gray folio]

i want to fight bosses

[desert path]

This is fair I was just making fun of the moment

[misty wren]

but cal is going to also give you reasons to not just sit there fighting bosses

[pulsar cobalt]

u get calming pots

[gray folio]

i dont want to just sit around

[south meteor]

If i wanted to sit back and enjoy myself id go play stardew

[pulsar cobalt]

and u use ur pickaxe

and u hold left click till u spot smthn

like

[gray folio]

literally some of the most fun in the game is just mining and exploring

[misty wren]

mining is holding a or d and left click

[gray folio]

yes

im actually doing something

[pulsar cobalt]

see how u can fucking reduce everything to simple ass boring actions?

[gray folio]

not sitting fucking still

[south meteor]

Yeah but youre still moving

[gray folio]

ok i want you to

[misty wren]

you are holding 2 buttons

[gray folio]

expound upon me

enlighten me

[south meteor]

And there are things to fight

You still have to think a little

[gray folio]

how could you unreduce fishing into something not boring?

what at all is there to enjoy about fishing?

please tell me

[rose laurel]

No Madeline has a point fishing fucking sucks

[pulsar cobalt]

you get powerful optional rewards for doing it

[dusty tinsel]

you can play the entire game without fishing. If you dislike fishing why are you complaining about golden fishing rod being made harder to get when you don't even want to fish to begin with 😂

[gray folio]

dont care, stil not fun.

[misty wren]

also yeah

[gray laurel]

add quick time event, if you fail a shark jump out of a water and eat you

[pulsar cobalt]

its not fun for you

[gray folio]

how is standing still fun

[rose laurel]

There's a reason I always say that fishing should be a last resort when it comes to renewability

[gray folio]

for anybody on earth

[misty wren]

if you already arent using it why are you complaining about it being harder to get

[rose laurel]

Because it's really ass

[dusty tinsel]

i like fishing

[gray folio]

because i am using it

i dont want too

but that made it better

[pulsar cobalt]

its a calming moment in a game with a lot of intensity

[misty wren]

then you dont have to

[gray folio]

if i wanted to do something calming i could just go build

[south meteor]

Or mine

[misty wren]

if you dont want to fish you dont have to

[gray folio]

yeah i guess. That doesnt mean it shouldnt be improved

[pulsar cobalt]

mining materials isnt gonna get me wrath pots will it now

[south meteor]

It could theoretically

So you dont actually do it bc you enjoy it but bc you need to?

[gray folio]

like "lol just dont do it if you dont like it" like wow. that solves the core issues

[dusty tinsel]

fishing irl is just sitting there doing nothing for even longer 😂

it's releastic fishing

[gray folio]

except you are outside. Usually with friends

usually sipping a beer

[pulsar cobalt]

it cant

[south meteor]

I think we should emphasize that we are not talking about fishing in real life

[gray folio]

have you actually ever fished

[dusty tinsel]

yes i know

i have

[south meteor]

Ik it cant im not saying it actually does

This is a video game

[pulsar cobalt]

u did say that tho

[dusty tinsel]

i have in fact caught a fish while fishing

[gray folio]

they are saying that the devs could make it be that way

lemme get pots while doing something fun

i wanna go mine or build or optimize my flower farm or do literally anything except stand around

stardew valley, i actualy kind of like fishing

the minigame is fun

its enjoyable

its a relaxing thing to do for a game that kind of stresses me out.

[dusty tinsel]

i don't know how you could improve it when you just stand there and throw the line out and wait

which you know is what you do when fishing

[gray folio]

Sure it gets old after awhile but

[south meteor]

You kind of have a point honestly

[gray folio]

its a nice thing to do every once in awhile

[south meteor]

I dont think fishing as a whole fits terraria well

[gray folio]

fishing is just. Not doing anything.

No minigame

Nothing

In a game where you are constantly doing stuff

[dusty tinsel]

fish during a bvlood moon and gamble for enemy spawns lol

[gray folio]

suddenly progression or building just. Stops

that simply is not fun.

[dusty tinsel]

you can get some stuff from fishing that's useful for progression

[pulsar cobalt]

but theyre not going to

also that wasnt their point at all

[gray folio]

it literally was lmao

oops

replyed to wrong thing

but that was their point.

[south meteor]

Ok but if you didnt get those enemies from fishing and instead they had a spawn item during a blood moon genuinely what would change

[south meteor]

That was my point actually

[misty wren]

they would be even MORE boring to spawn

[gray folio]

literally how

[pulsar cobalt]

well u said it awfully because theoretically does not mean "yea it could be done to do that"

[dusty tinsel]

i don't know tbh, but genuinly there is nothing you can do to make fishing a more interesting thing to do with how terraria is set up

[gray folio]

theoretically literally means that

[lapis oak]

spawn item 🥀

[dusty tinsel]

however i like fishing, so i don't care about how it is

[south meteor]

Would it though you might have to actually go out and fight something to get the drops instead of sitting there

[misty wren]

instead of having to actually. you know. interact with game mechanics. you craft an item and left click once.

[gray folio]

what interaction is there with fishing

[south meteor]

I could put forward the same argument about fishing for the spawns

[gray folio]

are you not basically doing the same thing, just it takes longer?

[dusty tinsel]

you click and then click when it bobs

[gray folio]

you click left click every one in awhile.

[dusty tinsel]

that's interacting

[gray folio]

Ok, you click the item and then click on the enemy

thats also interacting

[misty wren]

it needs you to actually pay attention when spawning it

[south meteor]

“Instead of interacting with the game and fighting mobs and getting items to craft and item you have to sit there and left click over water”

[gray folio]

no it doesnt lmao

just click when you hear the noise

[south meteor]

Youd have to pay attention with an item bc

It spawns

And tries to gank you

[arctic cliff]

which implies you gotta pay attention

[gray folio]

i mean i guess

[arctic cliff]

hearing noise is paying attention technically

[buoyant pulsar]

hi chat

[arctic cliff]

so ya

[misty wren]

which is not you paying attention when spawning it
it is you paying attention once it has already spawned

[gray folio]

idk im not really paying attention when i fish

better fishing is pretty neat

i quite like it

it makes it where you are at least doing something'

still isnt great because

again

i would rather do anything else but

[dusty tinsel]

only way fishing could be made interesting i guess would be for it to have like a stardew valley thing, but that doesn't fit terraria imo

[south meteor]

Either way you have to pay attention what does it matter when it is

[gray folio]

fishing in of itself doesnt fit terraria

[south meteor]

Also

When im fishing tbh im barely paying attention

[gray folio]

like why wouldnt it fit terraria

[buoyant pulsar]

why is expert death being removed... it's the perfect difficulty without being bullshit... please tell me they're at least rebalancing master changes because those are fucking awful...

[gray folio]

theres already the golf minigame

[south meteor]

I just put on a video and sit there

Which i dont fish tbh that much only when i really need to

[dusty tinsel]

aren't they like just removing their master mode changes and then just leaving master mode alone lol

[misty wren]

yes

[south meteor]

But i imagine yhat most players are generally paying attention to the video game they are playing

[misty wren]

the master ai changes are dying

[dusty tinsel]

master mode is not worth the time tbh let it rot

[misty wren]

they've already died in dev

[grave geyser]

most of*

[gray folio]

i think this is kind of a step in the wrong direction. Players should be able to change the difficulty if its to much for them. If a new player gets all the way to a boss and then just finds themselves not having fun on death, now they cant go back to death.

[buoyant pulsar]

expert revengeance is too easy and master death is too hard. what am i even supposed to do.

[gray folio]

oops left ping on mb

[buoyant pulsar]

agree

[dusty tinsel]

there were too many difficulties

[grave geyser]

apply artificial challenges to your expert rev run to make it suit your skill level

[dusty tinsel]

so they cut back on them

[buoyant pulsar]

so then just make 1 slider instead of 2

[gray folio]

its literally one less difficulty lmao

[lyric trellis]

They’re adding a way to swap between master and expert I believe

So if you don’t like death just go to rev

[dusty tinsel]

it's actually 2 because master rev no longer exists also

[lyric trellis]

(Also it’s subject to change)

[dusty tinsel]

you need death to get rev master

so it's just death at that point

[buoyant pulsar]

more difficulty options is actually a good thing because it gives players more agency to tune the game to the difficulty of their preferred challenge level

[dusty tinsel]

it's too many things to have to have changes for

[grave geyser]

its awful a nightmare to balance

[dusty tinsel]

they already have a lot of content to work with

that needs to be worked on so they cut back on the scope by removing some old stuff

[lyric trellis]

It’s much easier to just have 2 difficulties and make death good

[grave geyser]

look believe me I would prefer to have it just fully revert to the old system where master was just ignored but honestly I have stopped caring
if they can balance master mode I have no quams with it

[misty wren]

master is actually being ignored

[buoyant pulsar]

but here's the thing. currently, there are 2 difficulty sliders: vanilla difficulties and calamity difficulties.

instead of just taking options away from the player, they should merge these sliders into one slider which has more options.

this is not confusing, and lets the player keep their options.

[misty wren]

death is whats getting the attention

[buoyant pulsar]

but death is fine

master is the problem

[grave geyser]

death being attatched to master means that master will, indirectly, be getting attention

[dusty tinsel]

yah that's why they aren't touching master

[buoyant pulsar]

man this change really sucks

[pulsar cobalt]

fun fact masters damage values in calamity are inflated compared to vanilla

they just

do more damage

[grave geyser]

^

[misty wren]

master is staying in the vanilla state

[pulsar cobalt]

and have more hp

[grave geyser]

for bosses only

enemies are nerfed

[buoyant pulsar]

calamity master is fucking awful and needs to be fixed

[misty wren]

the only change is that death is only on master

[pulsar cobalt]

hopefully thats getting reverted and if it isnt im making a sugg the second 2.1 is released

[dusty tinsel]

it got fixed by having them revert majority of the changes they made to it in the first place

[grave geyser]

so fucking true
the boss stats and enemy stats

[pulsar cobalt]

rune wizard contact dmg...

[dusty tinsel]

master mode is basically just vanilla now

[lyric trellis]

Not beating the allegations

[pulsar cobalt]

we should totally bring it back.......

[dusty tinsel]

rune wizard doesn't do contact damage in calamity iirc

thank goodness because why does it do so much contact damage

[grave geyser]

unless there are changes not listed in changelogs this just isnt true

[buoyant pulsar]

that fabsol made cause he obsessed with bad game design relating to way over the top difficulty

[pulsar cobalt]

because fuck u thats why

[dusty tinsel]

who in relogic decided that rune wizard should do like 600 damage upon contact 😂

[pulsar cobalt]

red, probably

[gray laurel]

and it can teleports too

[buoyant pulsar]

wow this difficulty change really fucking sucks

[dusty tinsel]

does it though

[grave geyser]

so you said

multiple times

[lyric trellis]

Everyone referring to base master and rev-master as the same things and making everything confusing 🥀 🥀 🥀

[dusty tinsel]

all it does is make death the hardest difficulty now which means they can make it above master mode instead of on the same level

[pulsar cobalt]

im not

[lyric trellis]

Good job

[grave geyser]

ftw

[dusty tinsel]

rev master is dead

[grave geyser]

they should make a new word for legendary rev

[dusty tinsel]

ftw is a seed and therefore doesn't count

[grave geyser]

how about... malice

[pulsar cobalt]

ftw is not real and will be ignored for the rest of time just like how god intended

[dusty tinsel]

ftw has permafrost boss though

[lyric trellis]

Rev-master is dead but it’s also alive but now it’s master-death and called death 💥

[misty wren]

thats what we call death featuring miscellaneous bullshit

[pulsar cobalt]

it will also have proper difficulty changes unlike master (just like how red intended)

gosh that is still

so annoying to me

[dusty tinsel]

master sucks because they rushed it

they admitted to it doing it to get the update out quicker

and yet journey is actually an okay mode lol

[lapis oak]

then they abandoned it 🫠

[pulsar cobalt]

yea heres master does nothing but increase stats but also 5 updates later we r gonna introduce a new difficulty mode with proper ai changes

[misty wren]

journey is very good for a mode

[dusty tinsel]

master makes enemies harder than bosses

clearly peak design

i too like to strugle with random enemies more than bosses

[grave geyser]

I would prefer that to whatever the slop cal has made enemies into

[arctic cliff]

actually

[dusty tinsel]

hello volcano guy

[dull heart]

ahhh why didn't they just

buff master ai

[dusty tinsel]

because they rushed the mode to get the update out

[arctic cliff]

Originally, the difficulty indicator showed three different icons, as back then there were other toggleable difficulty options. As these were removed (and malice was added and then removed), it later became prudent to just turn the three icons into one.

[cobalt wharf]

theyre forbidden from changing released content remember

[arctic cliff]

It does seem possible to change world difficulties via mods.

[cobalt wharf]

it is yeah

no need to reload the world or anything either

same with secret seeds

[pulsar cobalt]

i wonder if anyone has ever asked them why they didnt just do this

[arctic cliff]

So what if:

The Difficulty Indicator shows three icons once more. One for Rev, one for Master Mode, and one for Death.
Master Mode can be turned into an toggleable option outside of world generation, within the Difficulty Indicator. Activating both Master and Revengeance turns on the Death mode.

bit of an insane idea

a roundabout idea to deal with my main problem with the upcoming difficulty change, which is locking Death Mode to Master completely

[lapis oak]

too busy collabing and making funny seeds

[dusty tinsel]

relogic when they could fix master mode: this is the final update guys we are adding palworld content that no one asked for

[pulsar cobalt]

yknow i wouldve believed u about the whole collab thing if it wasnt for stuff like the stardew collab

[arctic cliff]

i also just plain miss that three difficulty mode icons version of the difficulty indicator

it was so damn cool to look at

[dull heart]

no

[dusty tinsel]

[dull heart]

depending on what your issue with that specifically is, it won't actually be a problem

[dusty tinsel]

your idea got shutdown rip

[lapis oak]

they think between Revengeance and Death the difficulty spike is too extreme

because Master is in the middle

[arctic cliff]

no its that death is entirely being made exclusive to master

[dull heart]

the entire point is that death is for people who are high skill at cal

[lapis oak]

stats boosted to hell

[dull heart]

also master is not being balanced

it's literally just stat boost expert

Current death sucks because it's just slightly more difficulty and cal doesn't actually have a good high skill difficulty

the solution?

[arctic cliff]

I just dont want WORLD GENERATION to lock entire difficulties away

i mean hang on

[dull heart]

that won't be a problem

don't worry

[arctic cliff]

so its not?

[dull heart]

I didn't say that

[lean relic]

ok actually
it's perfect time to remind again

[pulsar cobalt]

having vanilla difficulties being togglable has been in the talks for quite a while now

[lyric trellis]

What world generation would be difficulty exclusive

[dull heart]

guess what

yuh coded

[arctic cliff]

OHYEAH

I see

thats pretty close

[dull heart]

also we probably will bring bunnies back

[grave geyser]

what

[dull heart]

Atm it's not bunnies but it's agreed it should be

[arctic cliff]

Can they use this as an excuse to bring back the three difficulty icon indicator pls

[tropic jolt]

🐰

[arctic cliff]

i miss it so much...

[dull heart]

Like we should be using the clear vanilla difficulty icons

[dull heart]

No

the UI is entirely different now

[arctic cliff]

maybe just two

[dull heart]

how would two even work

There's not two to select

everything is mutually exclusive

[pulsar cobalt]

vanilla and cal together

[silk terrace]

geometry dash demon icons

[dull heart]

rev is locked to expert and death to master

[lapis oak]

I knew it's recent, some guys in #suggestions-posting said it's before 22 bullets, screw them

I fucking knew it

[dull heart]

but basically

[pulsar cobalt]

u know how the toggle has a lock icon in classic? yea that

[dull heart]

It's one UI with all difficulties

Including vanilla

[arctic cliff]

Both vanilla and calamity difficulties ought to be put in their own categories yknow

[dull heart]

why

what reason

[arctic cliff]

its easier for the player to understand ig

[dull heart]

not really

not when each difficulty is exclusive to the others

it's not like you mix and match, having one menu makes that clear

[arctic cliff]

i mean ig

[summer shore]

What's the solution

[lapis oak]

Death becomes super hard

giga ultra sweat difficulty

[summer shore]

🥀

[lapis oak]

why u rosing

[summer shore]

How hard we talking

[dull heart]

death becomes difficult yes

[summer shore]

Infernum hard or

[dull heart]

But like

good difficult

you'll see when dog releases

[summer shore]

wheh

Sog has death ai already?

Dog

[dull heart]

it's the first boss with actual changes built for the new death system

yesh

[summer shore]

interesting

[lyric trellis]

DoG uses a portal to charge through your screen to irl

[dull heart]

I need to finish it but it's like 95% done in death ai

[summer shore]

and you still need master to activate death right?

[dull heart]

more accurate is saying

Death activates master

[summer shore]

huh

[grave geyser]

did death damage ever get reduced or is it still horrendously overturned increased compared to vanilla

[pulsar cobalt]

doze get rid of inflated master stats cal adds on bosses and my life is urs

[tropic jolt]

give king slime 1,000,000 health in master

[dull heart]

depends

at least the dog damage is well balanced for both rev and death

[summer shore]

death activates master alongside all the enemy buffs and accessory?

[buoyant pulsar]

can someone explain to my friend why yharim is not the utmost top priority of the cal devs right now?

[grave geyser]

ig I mean cases like
scal doing like 800 damage for no reason
or aureus doing as much as moon lord deathray one difficulty down

[buoyant pulsar]

he's not understanding

[summer shore]

There are other things more important

[dull heart]

Because we want to work on other things

yharim is just another boss at the end of the day

We want calamity to be a well rounded experience

Once calamity is a more well rounded experience, we'll add yharim to cap it off

[grave geyser]

adding yharim when all other content is still a mess would just be a mistake
you want that first impression to be good

[lapis oak]

@dull heart there's 1 thing I need to be cleared of, Master Mode (only) won't have Revengeance AI changes for vanilla bosses, correct? even though it'll be placed between Revengeance and Death in the UI

[arctic cliff]

Calamity is a big mod. It adds a lot of things. Not ALL of those things are good, however. The devs want to make not-good things good. Making all of Calamity's not-good things good, however, is problematic because there's a lot of that stuff. That will take time.

[pulsar cobalt]

well ive got a question for you

[buoyant pulsar]

i told him this

[pulsar cobalt]

does your friend exist

[buoyant pulsar]

@formal acorn this is him

[pulsar cobalt]

damn

[arctic cliff]

i dont think that matters tbh

[pulsar cobalt]

exposed

[buoyant pulsar]

we'll see if he drops by

[summer shore]

Drag your friend to hell (this place)

[dull heart]

who said it will be placed there

[arctic cliff]

because i definitely know that there's a lot of people who have that exact thought

[dull heart]

but no master solo will have no changes to ai from expert

[arctic cliff]

so i think its still worth responding to that question

honestly actually

a dev should put this out and pin it

a message explaining why

[pulsar cobalt]

its because they mentioned this friend so many times

and

[lapis oak]

so the order will be 3 bunnies, and then Revengeance and Death after

[dull heart]

who said that either

[pulsar cobalt]

i couldnt tell if this was a supposed to be a joke on "ok ive got this friend blah blah" and its about themselves

😭

[formal acorn]

hello

[buoyant pulsar]

@stray wharf @formal acorn

[lapis oak]

then what the UI gonna look like

[dull heart]

You'll find out

[arctic cliff]

Insert that one prequel trilogy meme

[summer shore]

It will look like a U

And it will have I

[lyric trellis]

Master mode

[lapis oak]

screw you redacted John 🤬

[lyric trellis]

Damn what did john do

[lapis oak]

he did unspeakable thing

[stray wharf]

This is a random question and I think I know the answer, but will Revengeance and Death mode ever have bunnies, kinda like vanilla difficulties?

[dull heart]

probably not

[arctic cliff]

time to make bunnies for revengeance and death

[buoyant pulsar]

not enough bunnies for that lol

[stray wharf]

That's what I thought. It makes sense (I don't think calamity adds any new bunnies)

[buoyant orbit]

I'm still confused on how difficulties are gonna be distributed from now on

[stray wharf]

Yeah, that's what I thought

[formal acorn]

uhh I guess I'm supposed to provide my opinion here. Personally I see the end of calamity as very important as opposed to touch ups. I do not wish for the mod to go in this direction because both devs and player disagree and the game isn't about me, but there is my view

[lean relic]

Corruption bunny is expert
Crimson bunny is master
Make astral bunny for death

[stray wharf]

What about reveagence

[lapis oak]

Classic, Expert, Revengeance (Expert exclusive), Master, Death (Master exclusive)

[dull heart]

Classic - easy
Expert - slightly easier than rev
Revengeance - Intended experience
Master- Expert with higher stats
Death - For calamity masters

[lapis oak]

about the UI, it's redacted

[formal acorn]

crimson bunny is master only?

[stray wharf]

Yep

[formal acorn]

astral and hallow bunnies

[stray wharf]

No, like the symbol of Master mode is a crimson bunny

[formal acorn]

oh yeah

[dull heart]

amethyst bunny

[summer shore]

The fact that it's important is exactly why it needs to wait until everything else is good

[arctic cliff]

It could also be that the devs don't think they're ready to do Yharim yet.

[dull heart]

we want calamity to be in a good state when we give it the ending

Right now it is in a

[buoyant orbit]

So can not longer play revengeance in master mode?

[dull heart]

nope

Revengeance will be its own difficulty built off expert

Death with be built off Master

[lapis oak]

YuH code

[stray wharf]

Just make Yharim a bunny and make that the death mode symbol

[lyric trellis]

The fargo

[buoyant pulsar]

if getting my cool weapon rework now means yharim is just a little closer to releasing, then i'm happy with my cool weapon rework.

plus it's a cool weapon rework

and thats like super awesome

[buoyant orbit]

I love playing master in revengeance so i'm scared of trying death mode for the exclusive rewards lmfao
The time I played death mode I couldn't do anything cuz the enemy spawn was abusive tbh

[lapis oak]

time to decrypt

[dull heart]

There are not any exclusive rewards

All Master drops drop in expert Revengeance too

[buoyant orbit]

Oh

[buoyant pulsar]

death expert?

[buoyant orbit]

Alright that solves my concerns then

[buoyant orbit]

Master lmfao

[dull heart]

That has been a thing for a long time too

[stray wharf]

I think their making death mode master mode exclusive. Or maybe I read that msg wrong

[buoyant pulsar]

i think that explains it

expert death is the perfect balance of difficulty for me, so i hope they keep something like that around

[thick coyote]

I honestly would love to see like the state of rev/death be that Death takes some liberties with thematic cohesion for the sake of a harder challenge

[buoyant orbit]

Means I cannot miss the boss relics in revengeance

[thick coyote]

so like rev is the intended canon experience and death is a bit more goofy

[formal acorn]

no way

but why though? Doesn't this limit the potential for some challenges?

[dull heart]

that will and won't be the case

It will be allowed, but I don't think it'll happen

[buoyant pulsar]

as far as i know this is the current model. i don't like it personally

[lapis oak]

entirely different UI, everything is mutually exclusive, 1 single UI with all difficulties, Rev is locked to Expert and Death is locked to Master, not a straight line

[buoyant pulsar]

correct me if i'm wrong

[lapis oak]

@vivid hemlock decrypt this for me

[vivid hemlock]

what

[lapis oak]

I need to know how the new UI gonna look like

[dull heart]

This is technically correct

[vivid hemlock]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just wait for the update

[dull heart]

but kinda doesn't explain it well for the last part

[buoyant orbit]

So master is like revengeance expert but with higher stats?

[dull heart]

No

[thick coyote]

Master-Revengance (Death) is a really confusing way to phrase it

[lapis oak]

goddamn redacted

[vivid hemlock]

master is like vanilla master

expert but with stat bloat

[lapis oak]

😢

[summer shore]

The update in question is in 6 months 🥀

[vivid hemlock]

moldtraxia

[formal acorn]

Wait is master-revengeance still possible or does this just activate death mode?

[summer shore]

stankillin

[thick coyote]

its not possible

[lapis oak]

Revengeance (Expert exclusive) - Death (Master exclusive)

[buoyant pulsar]

devourer of johns the prophet, please keep a difficulty roughly adjacent to that of expert death

[dull heart]

The difficulties in 2.1 will go from

Classic
Expert
Expert - Revengeance
Expert - Death
Master
Master - Revengeance
Master - Death

To

Classic
Expert
Master
Revengeance (also activates Expert when enabled)
Death (also activates Master when enabled)

[buoyant pulsar]

does master automatically consist of revengeance as well, or is it still vanilla boss ai?

[dull heart]

no. More difficulties makes it much more work to balance things.

We will make Revengeance bosses better though

[thick coyote]

I mean i feel like Rev would be harder than master due to ai differences

[lapis oak]

between Revengeance and Master, which will be harder since Master has no AI changes

[formal acorn]

will revengeance still provide master mod drops

[vivid hemlock]

yes

[dull heart]

Master is Expert, not Revengeance

[dull heart]

Yes

[buoyant orbit]

I think I get it now

Nice

Can't wait for someone to pick the not intended difficulty

[lean relic]

just think like this

[lapis oak]

guh you edited it

[dull heart]

Changed order slightly to make it more clear

[formal acorn]

ok so its more condensed

[dull heart]

Yes

[buoyant pulsar]

so is rev gonna be more difficult than master?

[thick coyote]

I still think that renaming it to be like a "Calamitous Modifier" or something would make it more clear how it works

[naive ice]

So if you activate Revengance in classic, it makes the world Expert?

[dull heart]

Probably? Master is literally just expert with stat bloat

[dull heart]

Yes

[lapis oak]

Calamity bosses in Master will use Expert AIs? 🤔

[dull heart]

yes

[lapis oak]

ok

[summer shore]

There is no "more difficult" they're just different
One does something completely different from the other and thus incomparable

[naive ice]

I actually really like that

[lapis oak]

so Master should be before Revengeance for future refs

[dull heart]

All 5 difficulties will be on the UI

[lapis oak]

because Master is easier

[buoyant pulsar]

what are yall gonna do to fix the master stat bloat btw?

[dull heart]

Not necessarily

[naive ice]

Oh that’s sick lol

[dull heart]

They're not "easier", they're different

They're alternatives

[dull heart]

Nothing

[lapis oak]

🤔 sure

[dull heart]

master stat bloat will exist

[summer shore]

!!

[formal acorn]

would you be able to swap your difficulty in any world then?

[dull heart]

Yes

[stray wharf]

That's awesome

Tysm

[naive ice]

Is master mode really just expert but with steroids

[thick coyote]

You guys want to not touch vanilla difficulties anymore so that theres more compatibility right

iirc thats the idea

[formal acorn]

I guess this is fine since it is already possible to change revengeance and death

[naive ice]

That would make sense

[dull heart]

We will not do boss AI changes on vanilla difficulties to vanilla bosses yes

[arctic cliff]

yknow since i just feel like it. I'm adding 1 electron to each of one of your electrons.

[dull heart]

For two reasons

[lapis oak]

the fuck did I do now!!!

fuc u!

😭

[buoyant pulsar]

as long as the mod has enough difficulty options to be able to fine tune my experience idc

[dull heart]

Reason 1) less work for us

Reason 2) better for cross mod

[arctic cliff]

This is the will of the electrons.

[buoyant pulsar]

i just hope there's more than
super easy
easy
super hard

[summer shore]

adding electrons doesn't change much you should add protons

[dusty tinsel]

i am sorry kiri, but the elctrons told me to add them to you so enjoy these 56 electrons

[vivid hemlock]

yes thats how relogic made master

[dusty tinsel]

adding electrons to every atom in your body would in fact turn you into a nuke

[naive ice]

If less work for yall means we don’t have to wait 30 or so years for something I’m happy

[lapis oak]

what the fuck!

[naive ice]

That’s dumb as shit

[dusty tinsel]

tell that to relogic

[lapis oak]

🫠 Relogic

[naive ice]

If I could I would.

[buoyant pulsar]

pretty sure they actually said they rushed master mode to get the update out faster

[vivid hemlock]

relogic trying not to make terrible worldgen for pools of liquid (the ocean and aether "biomes")

[formal acorn]

revengeance is staying the same right in terms of difficulty? Where it's at is not insanely hard nor easy

[naive ice]

Please tell me there’s a mod that fixes master mode

[dull heart]

it will be

Super easy
Easy
Normal
Alternate
Hard

[formal acorn]

maybe for a new cal player

[naive ice]

Really?

[naive ice]

Nice

[dusty tinsel]

master mode is alternate lol

[buoyant pulsar]

thats what i heard

[dull heart]

Death is meant to be challenging even for experienced players

Not unfair

But challenging

[naive ice]

It is called death

[buoyant pulsar]

i'll probably just wind up playing death still anyway and get good

[dull heart]

Death DoG is quite difficult

but nothing in it feels unfair imo

[buoyant pulsar]

ask triangle lol

[naive ice]

Oh great, more reasons to hate the worm

[lapis oak]

it sucks so much it's not even harder and more interesting 🥹

[thick coyote]

will Death have the stat bloat from master or when you turn it on will the stats not be as bloated

[naive ice]

It’s the fun kind of hard

[dull heart]

undecided

Probably will keep the bloat

[thick coyote]

ic

[dusty tinsel]

relogic is just like discord with their not fixing things poeple want and instead adding features no one asked for

[thick coyote]

honestly thats fine because i like longer fighta

[summer shore]

Keeping the bloat means you don't have to rebalance stuff much

[dull heart]

It's hard but fun