calamity-update-talk

[pulsar cobalt]

go back to calculating the strength of the dragons in monster hunter

[azure oak]

thet pur rhe mamsnrhbr chehfde in the celamider

[pulsar cobalt]

yes they did do that

[nocturne crater]

sabu

[vivid hemlock]

safi jiiva

[nocturne crater]

safi'jiiva*

😔

[azure oak]

5 calamities and 5 more calamities

[dusk bronze]

the fuck are yall talking about

[nocturne crater]

safi'jiiva is heading for the lowest reaches of the area

[pulsar cobalt]

we r bullying omni

[lapis oak]

wtf?

[pulsar cobalt]

shush go back to scaling fatlasis

[nocturne crater]

if that's meant to be bullying

then ig?

[lapis oak]

spoiler talk going insane 😨

[azure oak]

i am athankful for the non stat-stick accessories

splag splitter splauldron

[nocturne crater]

go back doing nothing of note tsussy 💔

[dull schooner]

add triple baka to calamity

[nocturne crater]

true

[vivid hemlock]

sending rathalos to calamity

[nocturne crater]

green rathalos:

[vivid hemlock]

its called green humor

[modern grove]

Ever heard of freedom humor buddy

[azure oak]

once this god forsaken exam period is over i can keep myself busy with doing actual fun stuff instead of poking a discord channel to keep me entertained

[nocturne crater]

american troodon tf

[nocturne crater]

get tf up

wake tf up

[modern grove]

Troodon is an american species yes

[azure oak]

cant

french

[nocturne crater]

wipe the system

and back tf up

[azure oak]

i have to baguette tomorrow

[nocturne crater]

bro is NOT the angel of the blade

[nocturne crater]

Baguetterune.

[dusk bronze]

hey look a spoiler

[azure oak]

if this exam period was 3 weeks long i think i would lose it

but genuinely the devs are doing great work

and i am excited to see what they have been making in the mod

[dull heart]

me too

[azure oak]

hello

[dense sundial]

I yearn for true melee

[pulsar cobalt]

i am going to KILL true melee

[dense sundial]

And DS and Doze DoG but mostly the true melee part

[dull heart]

good news

[pulsar cobalt]

all melee will have FIFTY projectiles

[dull heart]

this does not mean true melee has to die

[dense sundial]

For what purpose

[dull heart]

holy collider proves that

[lapis oak]

doze says good news all the time

[pulsar cobalt]

because clearly its the only way to give melee weapons range

[lapis oak]

this must be good

[pulsar cobalt]

duh

how else r they gonna hit the boss

[dull heart]

by being old murasama

!!

[dense sundial]

What if melee weapons don’t need range? What if the boss is the problem (98% of the time the boss is the problem)?

[pulsar cobalt]

nuh uh bosses are perfectly fine its peak melee is CLEARLY the problem

[azure oak]

so what's being changed about DoG again? i forgot

[modern grove]

Tbh from what I remember a lot of true melee weapons are also just not super fun but I haven't che in a while

[dense sundial]

On second thought, I may be stupid

[pulsar cobalt]

visual non sprite changes and smthn to replace body lasers iirc

[pulsar cobalt]

a lot of them are just spawn thing on hit iirc

[azure oak]

i hope the fight's more fun than rn then

[pulsar cobalt]

for example holy collider and the enforcer are literally the same thing iirc

[modern grove]

I don't like Horseman blade clones

[dense sundial]

Vanilla melee usestyles are a disease upon this game
But when mods actually put effort into true melee design (see Souls and Redemption) it’s really fun

[pulsar cobalt]

they spawn homing flares on true melee hit

[mystic eagle]

no

The ones spawned by Enforcer spawn stationary around the Blade upon hit
The ones spawned by Holy Collider get fired in a circular pattern from the blade upon hit at huge speeds

[dense sundial]

My favorite true melee weapon in Terraria period is still Starlight

[modern grove]

Yeah it's cool

[dense sundial]

It just Works

[lapis oak]

so true?

truest

[obtuse hawk]

truth helium flash

[lapis oak]

truthasteroid

[pulsar cobalt]

they both home afterwards

[mystic eagle]

true

Everything is homing if you go towards the boss

[modern grove]

Horseman blade clone with extra steps

[azure oak]

i wish the communication feature on the codebreaker was used more through the game

cause it's only used after you beat the exo mechs, aka basically at the end of the mod

[pulsar cobalt]

clearly we just make the logs encrypted too

[lean relic]

source code
it can reduce more since I haven't optimize the png files that need to be done manually yet

[azure oak]

also since you did a lot of stuff throughout the playthrough it all just kinda gets dumped on you all at once

i really wanna use even the small stuff like the bangles

they're not anything game changing but they're more interesting than a stat stick

simpler accessories have their place but vanilla already has enough of them

[azure oak]

wonder how progress on some of the ui stuff is going

[white vigil]

Hellkite rework, old lord claymore, and the galaxy smasher line are some of the most fun I’ve had playing melee

[molten grove]

i p much completely finished the ui weeks maybe months ago because im cool
3 new UIs…

[dull heart]

gilded proboscis and mirror blade reworks my beloved <3

[dull heart]

i mean, i need to finish the scourge bag UI stuff

[azure oak]

including the boss bar and player health / mana bars?

[dull heart]

and Heart's UI is unfinished

[azure oak]

ah

[dull heart]

but idk if heart UI is planned for SSO or not

[molten grove]

dont thiiiiink the heart and boss bar will be done by sso?

could be could not be

[inner thunder]

are you guys gonna buff tracers

[stiff light]

twacers

[hasty tangle]

elysians (the only truly awful ones) are being retiered

to be earlier

so they might actually be useful for once

[dull heart]

yes, we are

[inner thunder]

i think the wings you use to craft celestial tracers should keep their bonuses

[inner thunder]

what is going on

[pulsar cobalt]

they became bald wat does it look like

[cinder hearth]

This is just a black screen for me

[lavish otter]

Basically, you'll be able to disable their flight eventually, so you can use other wings with them

[barren nacelle]

What other wings are available at that point other than wings of rebirth

Silva ig?

[pulsar cobalt]

itll be available for all the tracers

[azure oak]

also tracer wings themselves are worse than wings of rebirth

[barren nacelle]

No im aware! It just popped into my head that post ml wing progression kinda sucks

[azure oak]

so it's an option if you want tracers but better flight

[inner thunder]

does it have running advantages over celestial tracers

[lavish otter]

I mean, post ML progression kind of generally sucks

[barren nacelle]

Tarragon —> Elysian —> Silva —Rebirth

[inner thunder]

isn't there only 3

[inner thunder]

what are tarragon tracers

[barren nacelle]

Maybe you throw in some tracers in between

[inner thunder]

wait what

[lavish otter]

I don't think it will, it'll just let you use different wings

[inner thunder]

oh

[barren nacelle]

Wings

[inner thunder]

I'm an idiot

[barren nacelle]

I’m talking about wings

[inner thunder]

so what's the point of using it

[barren nacelle]

Lmao all good

[pulsar cobalt]

yes

[inner thunder]

damn

[lavish otter]

Because some wings are much better than the boots of those tiers

[barren nacelle]

Movement speed outside of flight

[pulsar cobalt]

all the tracers are slightly bettet at running than the previous

[lavish otter]

Such as wings of rebirth

[inner thunder]

ok that's good

[lavish otter]

Oh waiiit, my bad, I misread your message

[pulsar cobalt]

its just that u couldnt use this along with wings so they just kinda sucked ass

[lavish otter]

I thought you were asking if disabling the wings would make them run faster

[lapis oak]

disable wings make you be able to use final boots and final wings together

[thick coyote]

Fabsolian boss design making it so that tracers, a really cool idea, are actually kinda just terrible is so funny

[lavish otter]

(Which sounds like an interesting idea actually, but I don't think that's what they're going for)

[barren nacelle]

Everyone say thank you Fabsol for your abysmal boss design

[plush carbon]

Fuck you Fabsol

[barren nacelle]

Truth nuke

[stiff light]

truth bluke

truth puke

[dusk bronze]

truth pluey

[dense sundial]

I think the only design in question is Yharon’s borders?

(Which are basically just enforcing the horizontal range of Duke’s enrage lol)

[thick coyote]

a lot of the bosses doesnt get much benefit from being on the ground

its more intuitive to stay airborne forever

which to me feels like a flaw

[dense sundial]

Soaring Insignia nerf

Tracers are at least great on like, Provi, who’s mostly a rungod fight

[plush carbon]

if Calamity was cool they'd play around Soaring Insignia instead of nerfing it

[dense sundial]

I’m okay with nerfing it. I mean, it essentially exists as a bandaid against vanilla Moon Lord, and we’re not working with vanilla Moon Lord here. But it should definitely not be this useless

[thick coyote]

i dont see how you play around unnfered Soaring Insignia wihtout it becoming "okay yeah just every single person has to use this accessory"

[hasty tangle]

just make every boss give infinite flight on its own, problem solved

[pulsar cobalt]

give every boss a static arena

and also give every character infinite flight

[plush carbon]

I was joking but it is kinda buns

[pulsar cobalt]

and give them perfect and instant acceleration and deceleration

and also make.it turn based

and give every enemy the ability to be spared

[lapis oak]

like... like Touh-

[dense sundial]

Profaned Garden baybee

[pulsar cobalt]

maybe grazing bullets gives u some sort of meter

that lets u perform certain actions or effects

[slow pendant]

cal soaring insignia definitely needs a buff of some kind because it was just kinda gutted, but keeping infinite flight would be a massive crutch for a lot of players

building good arenas suddenly no longer matter when you already don't have to worry about maintaining your air resources

[hasty tangle]

i thought it was fine after the first nerf

50% flight time was pretty good and still worth an acc slot while not being supremely OP/required for bosses

byeah the second nerf was too much

[dull heart]

honesstly

the infinite flight might have been Ok if it wasn't for the insane mobility buffss

just infintie flight would be fine, especially with there being like 3-4 debuffs that explicitly disable infinite flight

[fathom girder]

yeah, those debuffs are somewhat useless outside of disabling infinite flight from OTHER mods right?

[dull heart]

they cut flight time too

but they do literally nothing in cal afaik

[dense sundial]

Icarus’s Folly feels tacked on but I think Weak Petrification is a good idea to keep

What are the others

[dull heart]

Extreme Gravity

[dense sundial]

It would also help to reduce the flight time provided by Angel Treads

[misty wren]

ascendant insignia? byeah nothing on tier

[dull heart]

oh

[dense sundial]

I think 33% is a lot for already being great running boots

[fathom girder]

yeah ascendant insignia is such a weird accessory

because it's post DoG

[dull heart]

they disable your 3 seconds of infinite flight ig

in refights

[fathom girder]

...where you wreck the boss anyway

because you're basically endgame

[dense sundial]

In fact, running boots already increase flight time since wings inherit boot flight time

[dull heart]

angel treads don't do 33%

they do 10%

[dense sundial]

Oh guh

[dull heart]

and then rocket boot 0.67 seconds

[fathom girder]

what if soaring insignia only granted infinite flight to rocket boots and adjacent accessories and not wings?

Because like

wings dominate the flight movement endgame

You made gravity globe a new option

[hasty hawk]

Asc Ing is post Polt, being made post Prov next patch apparently

[dull heart]

that would just feel odd

[fathom girder]

what about adding rocket boots into the fray

[dense sundial]

I see, I misremembered from the 36% running accel

[fathom girder]

...oh whups

[dull heart]

imo soaring should just

give like +50% flight time or something crazy

[hasty hawk]

30 imo

[dull heart]

but minimal mobility buffs otherwise

it should be just flight time

[dense sundial]

What else does it have, a lot of accel?

[hasty hawk]

well tbh people only care about flight time and thus think the accessory is bad

[dull heart]

it is bad in current public cal

it's just worse than angel treads

[hasty hawk]

a multiplier to mobility stats

[dull heart]

also

fun fact

Vanilla Soaring DOES do infinite rocket boot flight

[thick coyote]

thats so fun

i kinda love that

[dull heart]

wait

why is this not in the bullet point list?

[dense sundial]

7.5% movement speed and 75% accel has to be the funniest combination of stats on one accessory I’ve ever seen

[dull heart]

this is written weirdd

[dense sundial]

“This literally does nothing” and “Yeah you’re never gonna take it off now”

[slow pendant]

I feel like that would just make it kinda bad, i could see it being justifiable if it's like, infinite flight but nothing else, but just higher flight time at the cost of one slot is a really questionable trade when there are so many ways of refreshing flight time anyways

[dull heart]

it would make it for people too lazy to make an arena or do other things to refresh flight

i would use the heck out of +50% flight time

[slow pendant]

idk, it's a difficult accessory to really balance, because it's both not that impactful if you're optimizing but a massive crutch if you're just speeding along and not worrying about arenas and stuff

exos would definitely be where it's at its best since not even someone that builds arenas frequently is gonna have the patience to strive for much outside of making their existing yharon arena a bit bigger

and the exos demand a lot more than that if you're going for a no hit or smth

[dull heart]

it's fine for an accessory to not be impactful when optimizing

that's not an issue at all

as long as it has a decent use case somewhere

[slow pendant]

that's true, low risk low reward accessories (not sure if that's a good way of describing it) do have their place in this mod

i feel like atm the most simple course of action would be to revert it back to 50% flight time as GP mentioned, the other mobility buffs are already quite small anyways, so it wouldn't be much of a problem

speaking of which, is there any reason as to why ascendant insignia got a second resprite exactly 8 days after its first resprite

[plush carbon]

Funny

[slow pendant]

[lyric trellis]

Too green

[vestal osprey]

You ever heard of green humor buddy

[indigo fog]

So many resprites yet so many dust weapons

[plush carbon]

a tale most Elysian

[azure oak]

so many weapons already reworked, so many left to go

[dull schooner]

we have 3 days to live

[azure oak]

70 days to live

[cinder hearth]

I feel like it could be something similar to the aero stone but quite a bit better IMO. Like not continuous flight forever but like, give it a faster recovery than just 1 frame of flight for 5 frames of falling like aero stone does.

[rose laurel]

I think Soaring should just get buffed, the idea that it should somehow last until deep into Post ML is just wrong to me

[grave geyser]

I meant it doesnt because it gets upgraded

[rose laurel]

That's also part of my point

If the accessory is good enough to last for half of Post ML, why even upgrade it?

[grave geyser]

asgards is good enough to last to the end of the game, would you say that same logic applies to aegis?

[lapis oak]

the upgrade is even post Providence btw (in future)

[rose laurel]

Dashes are anomalies when it comes to that mentality

[fathom girder]

probably like

rams in general

[rose laurel]

They don't get outclassed unless you have something objectively better than them available

No I mean dashes in general

If literally only the Tabi line existed, it would still be meta

[thick coyote]

can we segue this into kill rams talk /j

[fathom girder]

aren't rams gonna get nerfed soon anyway

[whole sluice]

imma be honest I'd hard disagree

[lapis oak]

Ambrosial Ampoule still gets great value even till Yharon just because: fire debuffs in post-ML

[late eagle]

Yes please do that🙏

[whole sluice]

unless I need the ram itself, I don't generally find it worth to run a dash accessory

[thick coyote]

same

[rose laurel]

Yes that's because rams are The Better Dash

[late eagle]

It would be really nice see a guide made by a cal dev

[whole sluice]

the default dash is there, and is enough to help on pretty much everything, unless you need a ram

[grave geyser]

this kinda is the case for most accessories is it not?
if theres an accessory at the start of the game that gives a decent amount of a stat, and nothing else in the game gives that stat, then it never gets truely outclassed

[rose laurel]

If they didn't exist, the Tabi line would still be meta

[thick coyote]

i do agree with that

beucase some people like longer dashes

[whole sluice]

I mean I'd.. pick the brain upgrade line over tabi

[arctic cliff]

Shield of Cthulhu

[whole sluice]

any day

[thick coyote]

Shield's dash is much shorter than Tabi

[rose laurel]

Omw to bonk Yharon

[grave geyser]

shield of mid

[fathom girder]

brb bashing yharon and harmlessly bouncing off of him

[thick coyote]

this will not have any negative implications for your health

[whole sluice]

yeah it's.. ran if you can't get a ram, but if a ram wouldn't help neither will SOC

[rose laurel]

Yes, that's why dashes are outliers

Because nothing else is a dash

[whole sluice]

I've beaten both Rev and Inf yharon with SoC to prove you don't need a ram to a friend, yeah

[fathom girder]

teleports technically

[rose laurel]

Yeah that's good idk what you're saying

[fathom girder]

only reason why teleports aren't the only thing you use to dodge bosses is because they have a cooldown

why not give rams a cooldown?

[pulsar cobalt]

no shit u dont need a ram

[whole sluice]

yes but.. dashes are also by no means necessary for any fight, sure it's useful for a sticky situation but if you're at all familiar with the fight the default dash is more than enough

[pulsar cobalt]

void sash is viable on yharon

[dull heart]

you don't even need SoC

Or any dash for yharon

[grave geyser]

default dash is viable on yharon

[dull heart]

just default dash is very sufficient

[whole sluice]

true, is nearly mandatory for Inf

[rose laurel]

You don't need a specific line of accessories to beat the game? Yeah, awesome. That doesn't mean rams aren't objectively better than every other dash and that if they can, every player will want a dash at any point of the game because they are absurdly powerful

[thick coyote]

the only fight where i really really really feel the need for a ram is Thanatos

[whole sluice]

and I did that after having not played Rev for a few playthroughs

[whole sluice]

for me it's just Inf DoG and Destroyer

[thick coyote]

destroyer?

[rose laurel]

Just because they aren't necessary doesn't mean they wouldn't be meta

[thick coyote]

what for

[grave geyser]

dest when I oblitterate them in 2 nanoseconds

[whole sluice]

I have a personal issue with Destroyer, have never enjoyed the fight, and doing it accless with Crystal Assassin was super annoying

[fathom girder]

I use rams against basically every boss

[whole sluice]

dash not mandatory but damn would a ram make it more sufferable

[fathom girder]

Because it allows me to quickly reposition and do massive damage with the ram augment accessories

and it's fucked

extremely so

you have so much damage from rams alone if you set em up right

[grave geyser]

this is a slagsplitter problem lets be real

splitter is busted

[fathom girder]

and repositioning by going through any given boss is way easier than trying to actively dodge around it

[rose laurel]

One day rams will be balanced it's just extremelly tricky to do so

[whole sluice]

true, they do insane damage if you set them up right

[whole sluice]

yeah, we'll see

[whole sluice]

RoD to teleport past, or yeah just going around is also fairly easy

[rose laurel]

Specially because of the current Boss design which is quite

💀

[thick coyote]

I feel like a cooldown is the easiest thing to do but maybe theres a reason not to

[whole sluice]

I say as the psychopath playong accessoriless

[fathom girder]

I'd genuinely recommend a small cooldown of some sort, or perhaps only a reduced amount of damage taken during a ram as opposed to taking zero damage

[whole sluice]

like what Solar Armor does perhaps

[fathom girder]

somethin' that adds risk

[thick coyote]

Solar Armor cooldown isnt real

[whole sluice]

though it'd fuck up the Inf DoG fight

[thick coyote]

becuase 3 charges

[whole sluice]

true but I mean something similar

[pulsar cobalt]

its 3 charges and the charges also used on something else

(defense)

[grave geyser]

this is kinda how pre buff rams worked

[thick coyote]

and i mean id suggest a much longer cooldown than solar personally

[grave geyser]

you'd still take debuff damage

[pulsar cobalt]

plus u can still use it as a really powerful dash even with 0 charges

so like lol lmao

[whole sluice]

yeah, I would suggest like a 1.5x cooldown and only 2 max charges probably

for the ram part

[thick coyote]

idk like 20 second cd on ram and maybe rework slagsplitter to be a ram cooldown accessory or smth

just spitballing

[fathom girder]

20 seconds would be too much

[rose laurel]

I should play with things other than rams but like

[thick coyote]

disagree

[grave geyser]

congrats you made counter scarf again

[rose laurel]

Meh

[thick coyote]

its immunity to an attack

[rose laurel]

I like using them

[fringe quiver]

rams are fun

[pulsar cobalt]

true !

[whole sluice]

okay 20 is excessive, since RoD is only 15, but that does look really cool

[fringe quiver]

i like rams

i like mobility

[rose laurel]

20 seconds is INSANE

😭

[fathom girder]

yeah...

[rose laurel]

That's higher than RoD

[pulsar cobalt]

i think rams work better if u were punished for simply using it as a dash

[fringe quiver]

20 second is rly high yea

[whole sluice]

but 5-10 seconds sounds good, maybe 2-4 for Asgardian Aegis tier

[pulsar cobalt]

as in make it a hyper offensive option

[thick coyote]

to be clear im saying like

[fringe quiver]

5-10 seconds is still alot

[thick coyote]

the ram aspect of it is on cooldown

not the dash

youd stil have the dash

[lapis oak]

bro the new band accessories is 10 seconds

[thick coyote]

but the ram is a cooldown

[lapis oak]

that's like half the cooldown

are you on crack?

[grave geyser]

20 is reasonable if you apply the same balancing logic to it as any other damage avoidance

[fringe quiver]

it makes sense for the band acessories to have a 10s cooldown

they're effects that grant you increased dps and aren't like crucial to dodging attacks or anything

[grave geyser]

dodge is generally 30ish seconds
counter scarf is 30
nr is 20

[fringe quiver]

meanwhile a dash is something you'll be using like

all the time

[lapis oak]

20 seconds for a fucking dash 😭

[rose laurel]

5 seconds would be more than enough, the best solution would be literally just making the dash itself have a few more frames of cooldown to disallow you from dodging sequential charges like Yharon

[thick coyote]

thats not what im saying Kiri!

[grave geyser]

again
scarf is 30

[thick coyote]

im saying the RAM is a cooldown

not the DASH

[lapis oak]

THAT'S A DODGE

[fringe quiver]

the ram having a ocoldwon is fair yea

[whole sluice]

I think maybe 15-20 for stuff like Ornate Shield, and down to around 5 by the time it's Asgardian Aegis

[fringe quiver]

but 20s is still a little

much

[grave geyser]

yes
so its longer

[thick coyote]

then maybe like 15 or something

[lapis oak]

??????

[grave geyser]

dodge is better than ram in this case

[lapis oak]

bro ram DOES NOT dodge projectiles

[grave geyser]

so longer cooldown

[whole sluice]

yeah exactly

[rose laurel]

It's a dodge that only works in contact damage and needs actual input instead of being free, 10 seconds is already overkill

[grave geyser]

I'm not saying rams should be 45 seconds
I'm saying 20 would be reasonable if rams were subject to the same logic as any other damage avoidance

[grave geyser]

rod requires hotswapping and clicking somehwere safe and 15 seconds is considered fair

[thick coyote]

idk like every 10 seconds im immune to a certai type of attack just seems insane to me

[arctic cliff]

I'd say the biggest issue with Rams, more than anything, isn't even the rams themselves, but rather that the main accessory people use for ramming, the Aegis line, is also at the same time an insanely good defensive accessory that provides debuff immunities and knockback. These are both insanely desirable things that ANY class can find desirable, and the fact that there's a ram ability on top of that is nuts.

I genuinely think either that plan of moving the Ankh Shield from the valor line to the Paladin Shield line or outright moving rams off the valor line entirely into their own accessory, would be genuinely ideal in combatting the ram meta simply by allowing people not to pick Asgard's Valor for its insane defensive powers, and therefore are also pushed into using the accessory's built-in ram ability over getting another dash accessory.

[fathom girder]

There's still some tech to get it to work properly

[pulsar cobalt]

i think this entire talk about how long the ram cd is simply shows how fucking good counter scarf is

[rose laurel]

Yeah but RoD is also stronger than a ram

[grave geyser]

if you're good at using it sure
braindead usage of it will be harmful at times

[arctic cliff]

If Asgard's Valor line didn't have rams, and something else did, people might legit be more interested in other types of dashs because the Ankh Shield upgrade isn't just also a ram accessory.

[thick coyote]

rod has amuch higher skill check than ramming

anyways i gotta go

[whole sluice]

can confirm, considering it's the only reason some attacks are dodgeable accless

[grave geyser]

deep diver in question

[arctic cliff]

thats not even part of the line!

[grave geyser]

exactly
but its a ram and it boxes out other options simply being being an early ram

[whole sluice]

also what if instead of being a ram dash, since they're shields they could be a parry

[grave geyser]

sergeant united shield

[whole sluice]

for contact damage only, but just.. ram without the dash part

[fathom girder]

bleh

well kinda

I gave a similar suggestion years ago

it was turned down lul

[grave geyser]

they're already kind of a parry
just a parry thats tied to your dash bind

[pulsar cobalt]

i still think ram options punishing u for not using it as a ram is a good avenue to go thru

[whole sluice]

yeah makes sense, just figured it'd be worth mentioning

[rose laurel]

Asgard's line is overcentralizing and this time around we don't have Fabsol in our ears threatening to undo every change if he thinks they aren't fun, but what exactly to do to solve that is still controversial, because Rampart of Deities also doesn't really need Ankh Shield and would make the accessory quite bloated

[whole sluice]

as long as Plaguebringer and Solar armors are immune to that :3

[grave geyser]

elysian aegis being a longer dash than ninja belt is 🥀

[pulsar cobalt]

lol what

wheres uhh

[arctic cliff]

To put it short, the Asgard's Valor line can occupy both the role of an (debuff and KB) immunity shield, as well as a ramming accessory, in one singular accessory. This makes it much harder for people to try out other dash types, because then you'd have to use up another accessory slot for that.

[whole sluice]

honestly taking the ankh shield out could work, make them more focused on the dash and such

[pulsar cobalt]

dozes dash length tests

i need to check this

[grave geyser]

ninja belt is 24
aegis is 28

[pulsar cobalt]

jesus christ

[arctic cliff]

In my opinion, Asgard's line should stick as the Ankh Shield, and move the rams off into their own line.

[pulsar cobalt]

wat about their accel? or is it the same?

[grave geyser]

its different next update

but I think most accels are the same in this version

I would have to check though

[pulsar cobalt]

christ

[rose laurel]

The biggest problem to me is that the easiest solution is extremelly messy, but the hardest solution is, well

Hard

[lyric trellis]

Is that really how it works, didn’t know that

[rose laurel]

That being, making a new upgrade path for the ram or Ankh Shield

[pulsar cobalt]

wat if ankh shield and heros shield combined

[rose laurel]

The what?

OH MY GOD SARGEANT UNITED SHIELD ABBREVIATES TO SUS

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[lyric trellis]

Ankh potion

[pulsar cobalt]

i associate aegis more with ram than the debuff and kb immunity stuff tbh

[pulsar cobalt]

paladins shield plus flesh knuckles

[grave geyser]

litterally just alchnpc

[lyric trellis]

Feel like keeping kb immunity is a given

[rose laurel]

That goes into Rampart which would make it too bloated

[pulsar cobalt]

frozen shield gets an upgrade with rampart but not heros

[rose laurel]

The other biggest problem is that makes THREE FUCKING SHIELD LINES

[pulsar cobalt]

whar

[rose laurel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[rose laurel]

Iframe gallore, parry and Ankh

That's a lot

[grave geyser]

more kb immunity items good methinks

[rose laurel]

I honestly think that the best solution is

[pulsar cobalt]

smthn smthn absorbers cool n stuff

[grave geyser]

real

give kb immunity to od scales

[lyric trellis]

There’s a list of items that got kb immunity next update

[rose laurel]

Make Asgard's Valor not an upgrade from Ankh Shield, give Ankh an upgrade

[lyric trellis]

The

[rose laurel]

And then make Asgard's Valor and the Ankh upgrade fuse into Aegis

[grave geyser]

what do you even do with an ankh upgrade

[rose laurel]

Idk

[pulsar cobalt]

more debuffs ig

[grave geyser]

more debuff imunities?
thats boring

[rose laurel]

Actually

[oblique escarp]

why is grand dad on the reworked weapon list, wasn't it removed?

[rose laurel]

Ankh upgrading into Amalgam...

[pulsar cobalt]

WAIT

[rose laurel]

Nefarious

https://tenor.com/view/valhalla-persona-anime-cute-smile-gif-17239820

[grave geyser]

brough back

[pulsar cobalt]

ankh + laudanaum

[lyric trellis]

Death

[oblique escarp]

cool

[pulsar cobalt]

brought back as a dev item iirc

[lyric trellis]

No it’s just an item

[pulsar cobalt]

damn

[arctic cliff]

NO

[grave geyser]

laud does not need a real upgrade 😭

[lyric trellis]

I mean it’s cool

[pulsar cobalt]

itd be more like

its just in another item

[arctic cliff]

do not let rams lay a single finger on defensive accessories

[pulsar cobalt]

rather than proper upgrade

[rose laurel]

I mean, Aegis isn't a problem of overcentralization

[grave geyser]

^

[pulsar cobalt]

except maybe give it new effects with different debuffs

[grave geyser]

asgardian aegis is kinda meh tbh

[whole sluice]

agreed

[rose laurel]

It's The Best on Yharon because

It's Yharon

[grave geyser]

yhor

[rose laurel]

But almost everyone subs it out for SCal and Exos

[pulsar cobalt]

yharhar

[rose laurel]

(Partly because they have no contact damage but)

[arctic cliff]

but it is

[whole sluice]

yeah because Rampart can finally replace Absorber as the non-ram anti-kb item

[grave geyser]

this isnt true because people are lazy

[whole sluice]

we need a post-prov acc for kb immunity that isn't a ram!

[rose laurel]

Also yes, we're planning on that because the lack of kb immunity is problematic

[whole sluice]

yay :3

[rose laurel]

It's a massive reason as to why Asgard's Valor is so overcentralizing

[whole sluice]

or post-polter probably

[lyric trellis]

#calamity-update-talk message

All of those have kb immunity next update

[grave geyser]

yeah good list

[lapis oak]

why you so fast

I just started typing

[lyric trellis]

I pulled it up like 3 seconds ago

[grave geyser]

except the sponge

[lapis oak]

guh

[lyric trellis]

That nobody noticed

[grave geyser]

idrlly like the sponge being there

but who knows after sponge nerf it might be ass

[lyric trellis]

I’d hope not

[rose laurel]

Calamity players: "please make Bosses good"

[grave geyser]

sorry gps your goat is washed

[rose laurel]

Calamity Devs: Another buff to The Sponge

[lyric trellis]

Cit said how it was nerfed, doesn’t sound that bad

[arctic cliff]

please make Bosses good

[oblique escarp]

infernum is good, so I just stick to that

at least until more calamity bosses are reworked

[grave geyser]

ok

[whole sluice]

I'd take it off Sponge and/or Darksun Ring, since they're both post-DoG so the recent kb-immune items are still decent, and you'de about to get Rampart

but otherwise hell yeah

[grave geyser]

dsr is fine to have it

[lyric trellis]

DSR rework save us

[grave geyser]

its a random stat stick nobody uses unless they're minioning

[whole sluice]

I love the accessory balance convos while I'm over here dying and begging for some more mobility armors, like Plaguebringer or Statigel

[grave geyser]

reaver, take it or leave it

[whole sluice]

the dash armors are fine but goodness when I'm considering Statigel post-moonlord for the double jump

[lyric trellis]

Every armor is now mollusk

[grave geyser]

(I would love if frost became mobility focused but thats never happening)

[lyric trellis]

Goodbye

[whole sluice]

driving me insane

[grave geyser]

accessoryless player when it

[oblique escarp]

will more auric weapons be added, I feel like some classes are lacking in weapons at that point

[whole sluice]

yeah lmao

[oblique escarp]

mainly rogue and to a lesser extent mage

[lyric trellis]

Yeah

Kinda

[whole sluice]

but still oh my gosh I want another double jump armor, later in progression, so badlyy

[lyric trellis]

Aresenal tier 5 is becoming Auric anyway (again)

[grave geyser]

mage has wand and climax all you need tbh

[oblique escarp]

oh cool

[whole sluice]

amazing change, hah

[grave geyser]

reversion moment

(why were they ever post dog)

[oblique escarp]

yeah but more options is always nice, especially since pre-Yharon has a lot of options

[whole sluice]

yes they work, but the lack of variety in mages cuz they kinda all use those 2.. is kinda sad

[lyric trellis]

Rogue does have dynamic pursuer though 💔

[pulsar cobalt]

(not a donor weapon btw)

[lyric trellis]

Aetherflux and Helium Flash will be a lot cooler next update I think

[whole sluice]

also yeah Mage has SO many weapons for Yharon and then like 4 total or something after him

[vivid hemlock]

is aetherflux getting reworked

[pulsar cobalt]

((tyrannys end is tho))

[whole sluice]

agreed

[oblique escarp]

wait I knew helium flash was getting reworked but I didn't aetherflux was too

[whole sluice]

I think just re-tiering a couple of the pre-yharon mage weapons to post-yharon could work, weirdly

[grave geyser]

flash will be cooler and then get an 8 minute scal

or a 4 minute scal
(same balance just variance hell)

[whole sluice]

if there's ever a fight to be 8 mins, it's SCal or Yharon

[grave geyser]

exos

[lyric trellis]

Aetherflux is just getting improved visuals I think

[whole sluice]

exos get boring fast, they are often longer but do not deserve to be longer

[lyric trellis]

A few changes maybe

[lapis oak]

ye Xyk did it

visual update

[oblique escarp]

I keep remembering about how boring a lot of elemental weapons are still

[lapis oak]

when ancient stuff are ancient

have some patience now cmon

[azure oak]

ark of the elements and supperradiant slaughterer are pretty fun tho

[oblique escarp]

yeah I meant the other ones

[pulsar cobalt]

hey

eruption also got reworked

[oblique escarp]

I love the buzzsaw and superradiant slaughterer

[lapis oak]

didn't get a resprite included in the package and immediately got ignored

poor thing

[grave geyser]

I love them too
(they will be taken out back and shot before long)

[azure oak]

elemental eruption is a flamethrower so it gets a pass i guess since they're a lot less prevalent then guns & bows

[oblique escarp]

I love how devastation got resprited and is now being removed

[azure oak]

also miracle again (but without the MM item sprite cause apparently it's still being tinkered with)

[oblique escarp]

colorful saw and actual fucking gun

[azure oak]

triple miracle saw blade barrage:

[brave star]

Triples the saw economy

[lapis oak]

you look down on it just because it didn't get a new sprite

[azure oak]

i literally said it gets a pass

[lavish otter]

What I wonder is if it'd fire them straight out or if it'd fire the smaller ones out diagonally

[silk terrace]

auric mage is generally fine, the yharon drops just need to not absolutely suck

[oblique escarp]

true though

not Yharim's crystal that's fine

[silk terrace]

this would not be an issue if phoenix flame barrage was actually a weapon

[oblique escarp]

the other mage drop though...

[agile latch]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-chapter-3-tenna-mr-ant-tenna-gif-14615415140877671026

[lyric trellis]

Reskinned last prism

[silk terrace]

hi triangle

[agile latch]

it isnt fine

Although more usable than phoenix

[vivid hemlock]

last prism copy

💔

we already have dark spark

[azure oak]

at least dragon's breath is neat

[lyric trellis]

Maybe one of the mod’s worst

[agile latch]

Should change my dev weapon to be a phoenix blaster reskin on auric tier that deal 1 million dmg per shot

New most popular calamity mod weapon confirmed

[silk terrace]

burning sky is at least funny

[lyric trellis]

And doesn’t feel like ass to use

[oblique escarp]

in terms of what it shoots yes, it does need a visual overhaul

[lapis oak]

I fucking hate the... the Wyvern's Call line so much

[agile latch]

Isnt burning sky a false

Mage weapon

[lapis oak]

they're such glorp to use...

[pearl sentinel]

gitgudwo popping off rn

[fringe quiver]

its the one thats melee for some reason yes

[lyric trellis]

Wyvern Element line

[fringe quiver]

isnt yharims crystal literally just last prism

[silk terrace]

yeah dragon's breath is the only one that won't be changing when we rework the yharon drops
considering that it's actually the only one that's been reworked

[vivid hemlock]

yes

[fringe quiver]

like it's the same exact thing functionality wise but it does more damage

[agile latch]

It is

[azure oak]

burning sky's already an old joke tbh

[fringe quiver]

💥

[vivid hemlock]

calamity adds 2 last prism copies

[hasty tangle]

and a lot of people dont get it

[oblique escarp]

I love how burning sky is just a better phoenix flame barrage

[hasty tangle]

and then come into cmt and say "how tf is burning sky a melee weapon????"

[silk terrace]

what are you talking about this is peak weapon

[lapis oak]

😭 👎

[oblique escarp]

rancor is cool leave my goat alone

[vivid hemlock]

i wasnt

[oblique escarp]

oh

[vivid hemlock]

talking about rancor lmao

[oblique escarp]

nvm

[lean cave]

Sparkling empress 💔

[lyric trellis]

Had to keep the purple under control

[vivid hemlock]

rancor isnt interesting either but its not a direct copy

[oblique escarp]

oh yeah forgot about that one

[azure oak]

i mean calamity is actively turning a bunch of projectile swords into actually interesting weapons

[pulsar cobalt]

it should have an appropiate that makes fun of damage types

like

[fringe quiver]

why are there 3 different projectiles with different spawn chances that do the Exact Same Fucking Thing

[vivid hemlock]

at least it does something else

[pulsar cobalt]

It does Melee damage, of course its a Melee weapon!

[oblique escarp]

my fav weapon

[vivid hemlock]

yes i know

[fringe quiver]

"deals doubled knockback" im ignoring that thats NOTHING

[pulsar cobalt]

i love "behaves similarly"

similarly HOW

[fringe quiver]

and that dosen't change that two of them are

are the same

similarly

look inside

the same fucking thing

[silk terrace]

yeah, literally all burning sky has going for it is a joke that never had a punchline

[vivid hemlock]

burning sky rework in 10 years

[pulsar cobalt]

also i love how the purple feather is weaker than the wyvern

when the wyvern is stronger

[fringe quiver]

okay wait yeah

the

[lapis oak]

you mean lower chance

[fringe quiver]

the purple feather is the rarest

but its literaly the weakest

?? 😭

[azure oak]

burning sky's worked exactly like this since the draedon update

[lyric trellis]

Made up weapon

[lapis oak]

this must be a sick joke... purpel gang should rise up for this...

[vivid hemlock]

🟣

[wicked pewter]

thats so slay though

[oblique escarp]

the main thing I feel could make rancor a more unique weapon is for the lava it leaves on tiles to do more damage or inflict a debuff

[plush carbon]

Rancor should have a chance for this guy to jump out of the lava

Then it'd be SS tier weapon

[boreal edge]

Ugly ass

[plush carbon]

HOW DARE YOU

[lyric trellis]

The hands reach up and drag the enemy to hell

[boreal edge]

💥

[pulsar cobalt]

i agree with cit here

ugly fucking being

[vivid hemlock]

just remembered how similar the scrapped miracle spear sprite and wrathwing were

[lavish otter]

Or my favorite

[agile latch]

Miracle pear

New health upgrade item

[boreal edge]

Thanks triangular user

[agile latch]

🍐

[vivid hemlock]

teto...

[oblique escarp]

rancor still cool without lava guys tho

[plush carbon]

Charvaargh should be playable in mario kart world

The Cowards

[vivid hemlock]

i only really like rancor for its sprites

[azure oak]

what will the last reworked item in the mod be

[plush carbon]

They made Boom Boom a stage obstacle and not a racer

[lapis oak]

lava vfx so ugly 💔

[oblique escarp]

it's not that viable when you get it but it's cool so it gets a pass

[vivid hemlock]

subsuming vortex will be my goat again when it gets redesigned

[azure oak]

also finally there wont be a random sword between all of the other miracle matter crafts

[oblique escarp]

btw the future content doc says Gael's greatsword is getting resprited but I literally cannot see how it's different

[azure oak]

reshade

[oblique escarp]

Am I just blind

[vivid hemlock]

its very subtle

[lapis oak]

not much is changed

it's still Gael's Greatsword

[vivid hemlock]

i miss you...

[oblique escarp]

fair, it's not light it needed much of a sprite change

[lapis oak]

assets-submission

[azure oak]

i like it when the music does noise

[vivid hemlock]

the original artist did a reshade and submitted it i believe

whos not a dev

[oblique escarp]

took the Terrarian killing several godly beings, but they finally started reading the books they use

since there's a bookmark

[oblique escarp]

omg I forgot about the old sprite

[thick coyote]

you know

its subtle but i really get why they did it

the old one could be mistaken for a magma sword

the new one reads much more as a bloody sword

[oblique escarp]

little fellas

[vivid hemlock]

how much money could i make off one of these

[lapis oak]

no value

[urban cloak]

5 million doubloons

[grave geyser]

clearly the solution is to make bsky into pfb and just remove bsky

[somber salmon]

the entire sunken sea update took 30 hours over 3 days

[thick coyote]

burning sky is a joke weapon?

[oblique escarp]

burning sky is a bad guy?

[thick coyote]

okay actually

i had never seen the "new" burning sky

last time i had used it, it stull swung as a sword

[somber salmon]

mewing sky

[thick coyote]

so now i get why its a joke weapon

lmao

[grave geyser]

I think it should still swing and just have the swing deal zero damage

[stone zephyr]

the handle / hilt look a little less interesting than before imo, but the shading is better

[barren nacelle]

Burning sky's sprite is hilarious because it's just yharim's arm

it's just yharon;s arm ripped clean off

[valid crypt]

Yharons

Not yharims

[rose laurel]

I still think there should be another Class weapons sneaked into every class

[valid crypt]

Melee weapon that spawns summons but doesnt use up summon slots

[somber salmon]

terraprisma

is already like a mage weapon

so you have that

[pulsar cobalt]

what

[barren nacelle]

Melee has Rogue Weapons (Various Javelins, Boomerangs, and Knives), at least 1 Magic Weapon (Burning Sky), and 1 Summon Weapon (Biome Blade Whip)

[valid crypt]

??

[somber salmon]

also technically golden shower is a ranged weapon

[barren nacelle]

Melee just needs a gun blade

[somber salmon]

so vanilla already has 2 good exmaples

[barren nacelle]

We're losing the plot here what the fuck

[dusk bronze]

prismatic breaker

[barren nacelle]

How is terraprisma like a magic weapon it's just a summon

Is it because it's a sword?

[valid crypt]

What
Golden shower is aqua scepter but piss

[barren nacelle]

Cuz blade staff exists

Yeah how is Golden Shower a ranged weapon

[pulsar cobalt]

what the fuck are you on

[barren nacelle]

Magic guns exist and you choose Golden Shower?

[pulsar cobalt]

weed squared???

[somber salmon]

whips are melee

just renamed

so theres a third example

[slate folio]

what do we call people who talk often on spoiler chat

spoilets

spoilians

the rotten ones

[valid crypt]

Spoilerers

[dusk bronze]

spoiler connesuers

[vivid hemlock]

insane people

[slate folio]

works with me

[dusk bronze]

how the fuck do you spell that

i hate french people

[vivid hemlock]

its french i dont blame you

[slate folio]

people on spoiler chat are the only people in this server who are actually real

[valid crypt]

Connoisseur

[dusk bronze]

oi????

[slate folio]

anyways

insane people

🫵

[dusk bronze]

ah yes seur makes the same sound as sewer

[slate folio]

i need assistance

[dusk bronze]

wgat

[slate folio]

sorry if this seems a bit offtopic but it's regarding terraria mod spoilers

[oblique escarp]

Whip slander in 2025

[slate folio]

i want to start on an unofficial spirit reforged spoiler doc

but i dont know shit about making good word documents

🥀

you guys have been able to track down every spoiler down to small cryptic messages

i need people who are experienced makers of the calamity spoiler doc

[dusk bronze]

that would be vanillin

[somber salmon]

vanillin would be vanillin

[slate folio]

oh perfect

[somber salmon]

that

[vivid hemlock]

guhhhh

[somber salmon]

calamity is actually going to become a us president

in the next 3 to 4 days, depending on the weather

this has been confirmed to us, most recently, by our most recent experts

[slate folio]

id be willing to collect spoilers but I was wondering if someone could make a foundation

anyways i'm gonna go sprite stuff now

bye bye

[vivid hemlock]

i c

[dull heart]

time to cook again

[lyric trellis]

It’s true

[urban cloak]

the cooker

will chat ever know what he's cooking...

[vestal osprey]

I hope its the dating simulator update

[thick coyote]

it really is a top secret cook, I subbed to the patreon and still have no idea wtf doze is cooking

[vestal osprey]

Damn that means its either gonna be really damn cool or an epic troll

[prisma cipher]

Cook like doze

[thick coyote]

Im not a dev :P

[prisma cipher]

Dev

Like

[dull heart]

patrons will get to know eventually

[prisma cipher]

DOZEREFERENCE

[obtuse hawk]

those who doze

sigma calamity

[dawn ferry]

huh

[pulsar cobalt]

those who

[pseudo vector]

patrons will get to know eventually yeye
and i think they'll like it

[hasty tangle]

i mean, everyone will get to know eventually, right?

[rose laurel]

No we're releasing the first Patreon exclusive content of Calamity

[grave geyser]

pay to play calamity mod (this will have zero reprocussions

[hasty tangle]

calamity becomes a ponzi scheme

[tropic jolt]

the end of the clamity

[buoyant orbit]

will some of the unfunny bosses be reworked later on

just for curiosity

ik old duke is

[uneven drift]

Yes

[buoyant orbit]

ik pefortaros and hive mind will

[vivid hemlock]

yes

[tropic jolt]

after enough time passes every boss may be reworked eventually

[buoyant orbit]

idk if the exo mechs will

the exo mechs are top tier sprites for what the boss is

[vivid hemlock]

exo mechs are a thing where everyone hates them but its not as bad as like

dog or ravager

[tropic jolt]

half the bosses in the mod are crying out for mercy

[buoyant orbit]

not every boss sucks ofc

hol on

bringing this up again lmfao

ik all of these at the top were getting reworks so idk

would give exo mechs some love

[dawn ferry]

aureus is good? 😭

[buoyant orbit]

not my tierlist

LMFAO

[hasty tangle]

i find it kinda weird that HM is in the top category

HM was pretty good until the most recent major update

[tropic jolt]

all of the top row will probably be reworked except exos

[buoyant orbit]

i wouldn't say rework but rather tweaks

[tropic jolt]

it depends on what your definition of a rework is

[buoyant orbit]

i always found it insufferable lmfao

but manageable though

manageable enough

[tropic jolt]

but I think all of the top row are at the very least going to get new sprites (with exo mechs as the exception)

[cobalt wharf]

scourge and cv here is odd

i cant say i see the vision

[buoyant orbit]

this was posted by a dev irc

[pulsar cobalt]

this is cits btw iirc

[buoyant orbit]

so not my word

[tropic jolt]

calling ceaseless void "mostly good" when it has 2 attacks is... interesting

[urban cloak]

Hive Mind being up there is kinda crazy but I suppose it did get worse in BH

[pulsar cobalt]

(one persons opinion)

((not the whole devs team))

[dawn ferry]

will calclone get a resprite to be similar to real cal

[pulsar cobalt]

yes

[cobalt wharf]

usual suspect

[urban cloak]

Though the things that became worse can be adjusted pretty easily

[urban cloak]

whuh

[tropic jolt]

personally I hope cal clone is axed entirely

[buoyant orbit]

ehhhhhh i never fought it until the last update and if it's going to be reworked then the rework would be....... actually making it a challenge?

lmfao

[vivid hemlock]

yes

why would they

keep

the mech eye

[pulsar cobalt]

the tierlist

[dawn ferry]

why did old scal look like that anyway 😭

[pulsar cobalt]

because it was based on twins

[vivid hemlock]

old scal was based on calclone, which is based off the twins, which is based off the eye of cthulhu

[buoyant orbit]

most of the OG calamity bosses are based on existent ones

lol

you should see the first slime god sprites

[dawn ferry]

so just glorified version of vanilla

[buoyant orbit]

Fabsol was starting getting into it

[tropic jolt]

cal clone should be a worm boss!

[dawn ferry]

oh right dog was a purple destroyer

[buoyant orbit]

eye behaviour, worm behaviour

idk who's the third one for the trinity of the generic modded bosses

[late eagle]

Huh??? Drew??? Who is this guy

[buoyant orbit]

slime behaviour (?)

[tropic jolt]

old duke

which ai could it possibly use 🤔

[buoyant orbit]

duke behaviour

[tropic jolt]

I wonder if yharon still uses duke fishron ai today

[buoyant orbit]

he does....... 😭

he's a glorified duke

[dawn ferry]

pbg ravager

what else

[rose laurel]

Bro I thought you were saying PBG used Ravager AI

[dense sundial]

Who made this?

[buoyant orbit]

if reworked Yharon doesn't spit a bigass flame like Bowser i'll be sad

[lyric trellis]

Cit

[vivid hemlock]

yharon the dragon of fucking everything

[dense sundial]

I find AS surprising

[rose laurel]

Yeah it was CIT

[lyric trellis]

Entirety opinion based to be clear it doesn’t have anything to do with plans

[dense sundial]

I figured so

[rose laurel]

AS as a fight is like, surprisingly competent it's just that nothing in there has any weight lmao

[tropic jolt]

I agree

[dense sundial]

You can’t approach the boss and the boss can’t approach you

Also it has like one clear-cut attack

[tropic jolt]

the fight is fine but it doesn't really have anything interesting at all

[rose laurel]

Well ok let me rephrase it

AS is about as good as a projectile spam fight can get, and it's not terrible

[grave geyser]

as would be good if it didnt run away every 20 seconds

[dense sundial]

Okay, by Fabsolian standards it is pretty alright

[lyric trellis]

Need AS’s movement to not be terrible and it’s fine

[grave geyser]

aquatic scorg

[dense sundial]

I’d at least like its projectiles to come out in a more coherent way than everything decaying into a wall of overlap

[tropic jolt]

the most interesting thing about the aquatic scourge is the beautiful submarine shocker I can get after slaying it

[dawn ferry]

i love the sfx

[lyric trellis]

Nothing beautiful about that

[dense sundial]

Submarine Shocker is an abomination against game design

[cobalt wharf]

i like it when aquatic scourge decides to leave for 30 seconds because i dont want to fight aquatic scourge

[grave geyser]

lmao

[hard hearth]

i think aquatic scourge is a very good boye that deserves to be petted

[fringe quiver]

Aquatic scourge is my favorite fight in calamity because i fight it (and most bosses) with no arena whatsoever

so i just get to zoom around and fly dodging weaving through all of the projectiles

it's very hype

still dosen't mean it can't be reworked and made into a more competent fight, specially given this fun i have with it is something most people don't really go for

i do recommend fighting aquatic scourge that way if you haven't though, atleast to me it makes it a great fight

[rose laurel]

I think DoG is fun so like, yeah

Fun isn't always a good reasoning for good

[fringe quiver]

mhm

[rose laurel]

Specially because what's fun isn't DoG

It's ramming the shit out of that asshole

It's why I like Deus for example

[thick coyote]

i like deus just for vibes, the slow pace of the fight really fits the music and idea of fighting a giant like space worm

[misty wren]

i enjoy fighting ravager (not current rav, current rav isnt fun. the fun part for me comes into play with pillar contact damage) but holy shit the fight is so ass

[lyric trellis]

Calling deus slow-paced feels odd but that's probably just because I'm used to building speed and running like hell lol

[limpid grail]

DoG isnt fun

in public versions

Doze is cooking though

[rose laurel]

Eh I'm a simple woman

[hasty tangle]

the fate of mankind rests on his shoulders

[dense sundial]

here we go stating opinions as facts again

[rose laurel]

I like ramming worm

[lyric trellis]

We're doomed (not cause of doze but because it's DoG)

[dense sundial]

but in dog's case i honestly struggle to see how one might enjoy dog

[limpid grail]

fair and valid

i just don't

[hasty tangle]

dont you do that too

[dense sundial]

i know i'm a hypocrite as much as anyone

[limpid grail]

ngl i enjoy deus

[arctic cliff]

Wait, are you referring to Infernum DoG?

[rose laurel]

No

Infernum DoG is, for the lack of a better word

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466943505663655937/1083946998614470748/1678391318329531.gif

[pulsar cobalt]

this isnt a word

[rose laurel]

You aren't a word

[pulsar cobalt]

smh i thought a lorewriter would know better

[mystic eagle]

DoG is unfun and nobody enjoys it 》:(

[dense sundial]

i love infernum dog but i hope something like him never happens again

[pulsar cobalt]

correct

im a person

[dense sundial]

at least because of the public volcanically erupting over him

[rose laurel]

I don't like fighting DoG, I like ramming DoG

[vivid hemlock]

too simple im afraid

[rose laurel]

👍

[lyric trellis]

I sorta do too, it's kinda thrilling at high mobility

[mystic eagle]

Same

[arctic cliff]

The word is ai-generated, if you ask Fabsol.

No seriously, thats how he described Infernum DoG

[dense sundial]

lots of things are thrilling at high mobility tbf

[mystic eagle]

I like to obliterate DoG and that's all

[dense sundial]

i can't say i'm surprised

[hasty tangle]

ehh, who cares what fab thinks anymore

[dense sundial]

yeah

[arctic cliff]

I do because that one comment was just