i feel there was a change in the changelog that made it so
#calamity-update-talk
latent portal
but in the current state they aren't fun, unique and neither interesting,
lilac needle
i see
lapis oak
you told me, in a mod that I can fight Mechs in any orders, have 1 Mech fight that spawn 2 other Mechs in one of its phase as first fight?
glass path
Uh??
lilac needle
so what does this mean
this contradicts that
also
667 - Removed all base Master Mode boss changes.
what does 667 mean then
i assume vanilla bosses in master mode... but what specifically?
lapis oak
Rev Master won't even be a thing
fringe quiver
All
lyric trellis
Holy misinformation
glass path
Base means regular master no?
lilac needle
Rev Master won't even be a thing
well it says the problematic ones are getting shot but not the ones that are deemed fine or smth, it contradicts what john wulfum says
lapis oak
omg duh
fringe quiver
no, rev+ master (aka death) is having AI changes
lapis oak
alright let me comprise it to 1 sentence
fringe quiver
so i assume what he meant by this is that rev + master will just have death mode changes
?
but any cahnges
exclusive to master
r dead
lyric trellis
Normal, Expert, and Master will be unchanged from vanilla
Expert-Rev and Master-Rev (aka Death now) have changes
lilac needle
so what is death - master
lyric trellis
Dead
lilac needle
just ... more dmg and hp compared to expert
fringe quiver
Okay yeah that sounds about right
calamity only has 2 extra difficulties now
rather than 4
glass path
Wait death is getting changed to rev master?
fringe quiver
👍
pulsar cobalt
what
fringe quiver
its literally like
vivid hemlock
this is a difficulty reduction
fringe quiver
the opposite of that
arctic cliff
i think I get it now
fringe quiver
its going from 4 difficulties to 2
lyric trellis
I think death is becoming master-rev, but master-rev will have the current master-death changes (minus the removed ones)
lapis oak
Classic & Expert -> vanilla AIs for vanilla bosses, no changes
Revengeance -> vanilla and Calamity bosses have AI changes
Master -> no AI changes ffrom Revengeance, only more stats
Death -> with Master stats boost and AI changes, basically equivelant to the current Master Revengeance
ok now?
latent portal
guys its the same fucking system fargos does its not that complicated
i don't play fargos lol
fringe quiver
its literally just
if you active revengeance on expert you get revengeance
and that has its own set of ai cahnges
if you activate revengeance on master you get death
and it has another, harder set of changes
there are no diffiulccites besides this
pulsar cobalt
and it has another, harder set of changes
yes
glass path
So death will remain the same?
lapis oak
there will only be 5 difficulties Classic - Expert - Revengeance - Master - Death
lyric trellis
Death will become current master-death I think (but on master-rev now)
glass path
But it’ll have another way activation
lapis oak
with Revengeance being Expert exclusive, Death being Master exclusive
lyric trellis
God this system was so ass
summer shore
500 difficulty modes
glass path
Master truly was a mistake
latent portal
1.- classic
2.- expert (you can activate revengeance)
3.- Master (you can activate death)
is like this?
fringe quiver
yes
lapis oak
ye
urban cloak
next update
- Base Master will have no AI changes
- Death Mode will only be available on Master Mode becomes what current Master Death is minus some of the really shitty additions such as Brain and Skeletron Prime
hope that clears it up cause seems like there was a looooong debate of confusion here
latent portal
next update
- Base Master will have no AI changes
- Death Mode will only be avai...
golem should be nuked too tbh
lyric trellis
Now throw in seed changes
glass path
Please kill king slime
dusk bronze
Please kill king slime
done
glass path
That fat blob sucks
lapis oak
why did this discussion even become this long in the first place 😢
urban cloak
We'll deal with the other bosses after SSO, that's the general agreement among the team
latent portal
why did this discussion even become this long in the first place 😢
calamity players vs text
vivid hemlock
why did this discussion even become this long in the first place 😢
The anamna worm
urban cloak
The entire difficulty is shit but this update's been in production for too long
trying to straggle and make Master Death good would just prolong it further
lyric trellis
Lucky for desert scourge
urban cloak
If we do any other tweaks it'll be small things but don't expect any entire revamps of fights
urban cloak
Lucky for desert scourge
(well besides this guy byea)
lilac needle
desert scourge gets away
latent portal
how much time has passed since bountiful harvest update?
vivid hemlock
more than a year
latent portal
lyric trellis
13 months
vivid hemlock
it was in mid may last year
latent portal
i wonder what will relase first, vanilla terraria update or calamity update
lapis oak
Calamity 2 before both of them
dusk bronze
1.4.5 comes out one (1) day after sso
vivid hemlock
1.4.5 is going to take another year istg
latent portal
make your bets 
urban cloak
how much time has passed since bountiful harvest update?
it turned 13 months old 3-4 days ago depending on your timezone
latent portal
it turned 13 months old 3-4 days ago depending on your timezone
thats way too specific lmao, thanks
lapis oak
my timezone is the only timezone
lyric trellis
Happy anniversary
vivid hemlock
my timezone is the only timezone
im converting all of the quarks and electrons in your body into antimatter
lapis oak
😭 only the most evil could think of such thing
lyric trellis
Everyone dies
vivid hemlock
😭 only the most evil could think of such thing
😁
summer shore
Evillin
lilac needle
1.4.5 is going to take another year istg
the game randomly gets updated without telling us
latent portal
1.4.5 is going to take another year istg
how do you know?
vivid hemlock
no im just being pessimistic
vivid hemlock
ping
boreal edge
Spoiler
lapis oak
John Wulfrum Calamity Overhaul
thick coyote
that alt fire is so cool
lyric trellis
Missing a fancy build, spoiler ruined
lapis oak
dummy showcase, spoiler ruined
thick coyote
though i hope the damage number will be changed, itd be cooler if it was a bunch of numbers since the vfx and sounds make it sound like multiple hits
~~honestly i wish terraria just had better flying text ~~
lapis oak
this works the same way as your weapon overhaul doze? @dull heart
thick coyote
its combat text sucks
dull heart
Almost the same, except the returning and ofc the fact it's an alt fire
In my mod it's the whole weapon
fringe quiver
the violence rework is neat but i do have the same critiques as it had in the mod which is to say that yeah theres a little too much going on in the visual side of things
dusk bronze
my goat violence is finally good 🙏
fringe quiver
its a little obnoxious i feel
the functionality itself is pretty cool though
its mostly the like yellow sparks that just feel kinda ehhh to me
they're really big and there's alotof them
dull heart
Hmm I could see how that looks
thick coyote
i feel like
those would blend into a normal background
its yellow against a starry sky
cobalt wharf
can we kill the trail when it’s returning
lapis oak
wait the current Violence too has the same amounts of sparks too no?
thick coyote
probably
lapis oak
I just used it yesterday why am I not fucking remembering anything
iron dew
wait the current Violence too has the same amounts of sparks too no?
its less frequent and smaller
lyric trellis
The circle when it’s spinning wasn’t always that wonky right, or was it always but got covered up by spark?
dull heart
its unchanged
lapis oak
The circle when it’s spinning wasn’t always that wonky right, or was it always b...
it's just quirky like that
lyric trellis
Definitely still bugged or whatever then
cobalt wharf
yeah it’s always been like that
lapis oak
anyways alt fire applies Vulnerability Hex huge
thick coyote
insane what putting things on a black background and not being in combat does to our perception
lmao
lyric trellis
The sparks used to spin in a circle right
dull heart
insane what putting things on a black background and not being in combat does to...
yea
misty wren
insane what putting things on a black background and not being in combat does to...
well i mean for me personally i just havent ever used violence lo
brave star
How Violent
misty wren
ive never used it the sparks just seem like a bit much
hasty hawk
Woke up and chose violence
dull heart
fun violence fact!
Violence was made how it was originally specifically to pair with Calamity, the accessory
thick coyote
i mean yeah
dusk bronze
i suspected as much
cobalt wharf
and then that didn’t work because you have to put the cursor inbetween ares arms
lapis oak
it's still less particles blocking than Stream Gouge
misty wren
ive never used it the sparks just seem like a bit much
specifically on the alt fire the normal fire feels like it has a lot fewer sparks
lapis oak
it's fine I think
dull heart
it's not nearly as big an issue when it's not a solid black background
hoary edge
whew new violence alt fire? dope!
lapis oak
did you use Fargo's dummy?
misty wren
actually doesnt violence exclusively do particle effects on organic targets
so shouldnt those be red
dull heart
I think that just got fixed
dull heart
actually doesnt violence exclusively do particle effects on organic targets
No
Organic gets blood
Inorganic gets sparks
misty wren
oh wiki needs that then
lapis oak
I think Alt Fire make them bleed more is fine I think, it's like 1 big strike 1 big number instead of continuously hitting
lapis oak
ye like makes them explode violently type thing
dull heart
anyways alt fire applies Vulnerability Hex huge
5 seconds of it, even
notable bc it's a boss slow debuff
lapis oak
huge win
hey doze what do you think about making Alt Fire travelling back a bit slower
it looks kinda uncannily fast especially with the Trail that Violence has
neat dock
i wonder what this violence secondary fire is taken from
thick coyote
vivid hemlock
certainly not from an addon
neat dock
it's almost like they're in some kind of.... ||doze's|| calamity ||weapon|| overhaul...
dull heart
hey doze what do you think about making Alt Fire travelling back a bit slower
that would directly nerf the fire rate of violence
at least on multi target
or range
and it can't really afford much less range atm bc it's actually not that much longer than the screen
lapis oak
damage buff? 
arctic cliff
damage bluff
lapis oak
or is there something more fuckery happening here
summer shore
Does viola deal damage on the return
lapis oak
doesn't look like it
dull heart
It does not
summer shore
huh
misty wren
could the return animation not be scrapped for it to just be throwable?
lilac needle
btw curious if rogue forbidden was bad for quite a while
esp since it has some stats that are super weird to it with +80 mana when its a rogue and summon armor
and stuff like the storm costing mana
buoyant pulsar
the one bad part of getting spoilers all the time is feeling like i shouldn't play the game till the update drops
im doing a magic guns only run rn and there's already several of those that are getting reworks in sso
latent portal
the one bad part of getting spoilers all the time is feeling like i shouldn't pl...
usually when theres a new update, i play at least 2 times each class to try everything, and some little challenges (like amoless ranger or true melee), once i've finished that i don't play till next update
buoyant pulsar
ugh gauss pistol is so dumb
'high-velocity blast'
it literally has a 0.5 second projectile delay
latent portal
ugh gauss pistol is so dumb
oh yeah, "high velocity"
buoyant pulsar
and the projectile is stupid slow
literally every weapon i have fires a faster projectile than this
latent portal
fires a slow-ass projectile
accurate
buoyant pulsar
can you make it say that in gfb
in fact can you make it so the firing delay before the projectile actually starts moving is 10 seconds
latent portal
It does not
hey doze, so what's the optimal way to use the new violence?, only throw?, only spin?, or throw to refresh the debuff and while the debuff is on, do the spin attack
latent portal
in fact can you make it so the firing delay before the projectile actually start...
that would be so hilarious
terse dew
I don't think swears are allowed
buoyant pulsar
sorry for guhing
dusk bronze
I don't think swears are allowed
as per what guidelines?
buoyant pulsar
how come ranger gets the cool draedon weapons and mage gets the shitty ones
terse dew
Donator item = does not exist 🙂↕️
buoyant pulsar
Donator item = does not exist 🙂↕️
i got the scorched earth donor to agree to a rework :3
too bad NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE VOTED FOR IT /lh
terse dew
as per what guidelines?
The steam workshop guidelines and the game's ESRB rating
dusk bronze
L
twin juniper
Thrown violin is now official 🙏
terse dew
i got the scorched earth donor to agree to a rework :3
Lmao
lapis oak
i got the scorched earth donor to agree to a rework :3
probably doesn't need for a suggestion
terse dew
Correct! That would probably go to a direct dev vote
lapis oak
the item is pretty dated they'll rework it eventually if the permission are given
buoyant pulsar
is starmada ever getting reworked
i like the sprite a lot but the functionality is kinda doodoo
dusk bronze
i doubt it will stay as it is forever
lapis oak
🤫
dusk bronze
ever is a long time
lapis oak
Starmada is Starmageddon but L
dusk bronze
what's the difference
lapis oak
but Starmageddon got put in the same tier as Starmada even when Starmada already exist
so it also got an L
both got L
dusk bronze
starmada and starmgeddon are alts of each other
they have almost the same recipe
so it's even stupider than just same tier
hoary edge
Starmada = the cooler super star shooter
Starmageddon = the cooler piranha gun
I did starmageddon component only run back in the day
when boss ai on high difficulty isn't a doodoo garbage but not finished it [and the char and world file is nowhere to be found]
buoyant pulsar
why can't they just rework starmageddon to be like a blackhole thing with an accretion disk that spins around in a huge area and those gamma rays coming out the top and bottom for extra damage
dusk bronze
specific item suggestion
dusk bronze
Uhhh... because it's a donor item
is starmada also donor?
lapis oak
It's the OG ultimate star shooter upgrade
dusk bronze
we should get whoever dono'd starmgeddon and throw them off a cliff
stiff light
why is violence being marketted to me like im a consumer
twin juniper
10k base damage excelsus with parry will be real in 3 minutes
lapis oak
You are the consumerp
viral merlin
Instead of reworking more weapons they should focus on making mage viable
summer shore
why is violence being marketted to me like im a consumer
You are
It's taylor made for you
🥁
buoyant pulsar
Instead of reworking more weapons they should focus on making mage viable
what if they made mage viable by reworking mage weapons
dusk bronze
Instead of reworking more weapons they should focus on making mage viable
they ARE
lapis oak
Clueless after clueless
stiff light
It's taylor made for you
holy
viral merlin
It's not the weapons that are problem for mage (right now)
buoyant pulsar
what if they made mage viable by adding more than FOUR mage accessories in the entire fucking mod
stiff light
lapis oak
Calamity clueless talk
viral merlin
It's the
Total amount of 0 mage accessories
lapis oak
viral merlin
Ranger also has this problem but it's less severe
lapis oak
Clueless farming in this chat is at insane rate right now
buoyant pulsar
the shareholders will be pleased
viral merlin
If you have nothing to add to the conversation then maybe keep yourself quiet
lapis oak
If you have nothing to add to the conversation then maybe keep yourself quiet
Wow so rude
stiff light
Yea become the smaller person
hehe >:3
lapis oak
Maybe you should research more before jumping into conclusion and complain
buoyant pulsar
are they gonna rework aethers whisper as well
lapis oak
When they get to it
viral merlin
Maybe you should research more before jumping into conclusion and complain
It's not being rude it's just pointing out that you're acting like a douchebag instead of saying how exactly am I wrong and providing information
lapis oak
The magic gun
buoyant pulsar
what is aether whispering
'murder'
viral merlin
Instead of "buh buh clueless emoji"
stiff light
It's not being rude it's just pointing out that you're acting like a douchebag i...
ur getting ragebaited
lapis oak
❓
stiff light
viral merlin
I know I'm falling for it out of boredom
stiff light
not reason to be mean 🙂
lapis oak
You know the drill
fierce nebula
I know a thing or two about rage bait
buoyant pulsar
Instead of "buh buh clueless emoji"
yeah im ngl it's really fucking annoying :3
viral merlin
I've been feeling so shit last 4 days I have to find ways to entertain myself
fierce nebula
I've been feeling so shit last 4 days I have to find ways to entertain myself
you should play calamity
viral merlin
Not doing that until SSO
stiff light
its out in like 6 days
latent portal
https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-this-guy-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-39668575...
this gif is so funny
dusk bronze
taylor can you pin my message in #challenge-runs
viral merlin
It's going to come out in 2025 days maybe
lapis oak
SSO today (tomorrow for fake people)
thick coyote
its out in like 6 days
🔴 🇺🇳
dusk bronze
sso 1 day before 1.4.5
stiff light
meow
buoyant pulsar
i honestly prefer the design of the old aether's whisper sprite over the new one
like if the old design was touched up with new graphics
idk
i like how sleek and deadly the old one looks
stiff light
fair
fierce nebula
is this the new one
thick coyote
whar does thisd mean
red Nation
lean relic
outline looks messy too me
I mean too dark
stiff light
i dont get how the new one works
fierce nebula
if the bottom is the new one then the new one is way better
stiff light
the texture is better yes
but the design is ehh
i like the original design
but with updated spriting it would look good
fierce nebula
Idk the old one looks boring
fierce nebula
but that might be because it's old and not because the design itself is bad
cinder hearth
i dont get how the new one works
You shoot a projectile
It gains more damage as it travels
If it hits a block, it splits into a ring of projectiles
thick coyote
You shoot a projectile
It gains more damage as it travels
If it hits a block, ...
i think they meant
they dont know how it shoots
dusk bronze
rough scoog edit
grim cloud
rough scoog edit
I hear dwarwes from DRG say "what the heck is this" in my head
New glyphid creep revealed, but in wrong game
twin juniper
Show this person new nuclear terror
dusk bronze
on it boss
grim cloud
????
lean relic
Miracle matter but horror
grim cloud
Those new reworks look really good
modern grove
rough scoog edit
There was a newer head I believe
dusk bronze
Those new reworks look really good
have you seen wip polterghast
grim cloud
I don't think I did
dusk bronze
dusk bronze
the wip phase 3 was posted in patreon it's so cool
valid crypt
We eating good with that update
Not everything will be in sso
grim cloud
Happens to the best of us
Anyway there seems to be like 2 dozen reworks in the making
valid crypt
Just a few
lean relic
that...s not a few melon
valid crypt
A couple are
dusk bronze
2100 - Reworked every weapon. - Done ✅
grim cloud
We eating really good
valid crypt
The orderbringer one looks cool af
dusk bronze
Just a few
all of these are next update btw
plush carbon
Thats way more than 2 dozen
valid crypt
Its some reworks
plush carbon
The consequences of not being allowed to work on shit you actually wanna work on
dusk bronze
it's at least 8
valid crypt
Imagine all the not public reworks
dusk bronze
i don't think there's actually that many patreon exclusive ones
maybe like 10
but for patreon exclusive videos of weapons where it being reworked is public, there's like 30 lol
iron dew
Just a few
wasnt this already reworked whar happened
dusk bronze
wasnt this already reworked whar happened
right click specifically
see the thing above
iron dew
i can use my eyes
was the mist spray not good or something it seemed fine when i've used it
azure oak
rough scoog edit
this one's slightly closer to the actual thing
gloomy grove
this one's slightly closer to the actual thing
whats up with the cutoff at the end there
azure oak
middle is just a single bit copy and pasted cause it isnt public yet
azure oak
is this old duke
cunning sequoia
no thats my son
azure oak
wow
cunning sequoia
and why are they all crabs
adoption
raw falcon
this one's slightly closer to the actual thing
bros got hands
azure oak
been a slow week
hard copper
you think these are speakers? thats where the boss music comes from, draedon composed inferior fabrications
azure oak
those are joints
flat rose
azure oak
ares' arms are actually many segments that can move. it's just kinda that not much is done with it
i would post the information but i dont trust the reading compreshension of the people in this server
summer shore
you think these are speakers? thats where the boss music comes from, draedon com...
This is an incredible theory and I have chosen to believe it as fact
I will spread this ideology
azure oak
those are where the exo mechs theme will come from when it's done
random ether
you think these are speakers? thats where the boss music comes from, draedon com...
draedons gaming chair should have giant speakers added on that only play the exo mechs themes
hard copper
now we just need a choir singing outside the scal box
lean relic
raw pendant
you think these are speakers? thats where the boss music comes from, draedon com...
Inferior fabrications ain't even the final theme 
azure oak
cdmusic still be cookin'
prisma cipher
Cdmusic always cookin
azure oak
public vip?
azure oak
cant find anything about that
dusk bronze
you think these are speakers? thats where the boss music comes from, draedon com...
this took me way too fucking long to find
from the draedon qna
plush carbon
inferior fabrications isnt bad but god damn
It’s one of Pinpin’s better songs
By which I mean its actually listenable
hushed hazel
~~By which I mean its actually listenable~~
did you really need to say this
azure oak
i think you may have just listened to a leak and misremembered who posted it
prisma cipher
~~By which I mean its actually listenable~~
Pinpins music is peak
prisma cipher
i think you may have just listened to a leak and misremembered who posted it
No it was specifically cdmusic
dusk bronze
i remember it too
azure oak
no, i looked through all of the sounds and videos they posted in this server and there's nothing
dusk bronze
a tiny snippet
dusk bronze
no, i looked through all of the sounds and videos they posted in this server and...
not in this server
prisma cipher
Ye
dusk bronze
he posted it on youtube, not here
prisma cipher
Oh
cunning sequoia
this took me way too fucking long to find
from the draedon qna
you can tell shayy was in his undertale yellow phase during this
azure oak
the only small complaint i have with the theme is that in the first bit with a choir it kinda drowns out some of the other things
dusk bronze
you can tell shayy was in his undertale yellow phase during this
oh yeah i wanted to ask
do you know if anything in that qna is canon or was it all just a giant shitpost
bc some stuff seems pretty lore relevant but then there's that
azure oak
but even then the entire's thing's a banger
cunning sequoia
oh yeah i wanted to ask
do you know if anything in that qna is canon or was it ...
im pretty sure its canon
cunning sequoia
draedon ally 🔥
silk terrace
it's canon (i have no idea)
prisma cipher
Can I eat draedon
dusk bronze
draedon he/any 🔥
prisma cipher
Is he edible
cunning sequoia
nu
silk terrace
yes
prisma cipher
Yay
dusk bronze
remember that guy that ate an airplane
dusk bronze
p sure he could eat draedon
azure oak
nodeard
the informational image has dev statement about potential changes
thus if it became here the red nation would find it and only see it as confirmation
viral merlin
Draebars
azure oak
though i will post this funny image as a compromise
fringe quiver
hard work of years
dusk bronze
spark kiln
the laser walls are cool tho
fringe quiver
im crying
granite smelt
his hard work of years is his shitty boss design
dusk bronze
the laser walls are cool tho
fringe quiver
thats such a dogshit argument man
azure oak
years worth of slapping bandaids onto the destroyer
spark kiln
sunken sea fallacy
fringe quiver
its literally just sunken cost fallacy 😭
azure oak
as if fabsol didnt want a good boss fight, but instead he wanted his boss fight
glass path
i love my boss that tries to eat you shoot lasers
viral merlin
Alien space worm from space
azure oak
alien interdimensional worm from another dimension*
plush carbon
How up your own rectum do you gotta be
Mr. Fabsol “Reap what you sow bastards” Calamity is such a specimen man
glass path
as if fabsol didnt want a good boss fight, but instead he wanted *his* boss figh...
this is so sad that is what the mod was originally created but got too big
viral merlin
Malicious
fringe quiver
the moment calamity had a dev team of multiple people working on it for free due to passion on it it wasn't fabsol's project exclusively, it was the dev team's
that's what the guy seemingly didn't understand
viral merlin
Maybe if all this finding out happened sooner, 22 wouldn't have happened
plush carbon
“I MADE this mod with my own two hands!!”
fringe quiver
if he wanted to work on a project that was just 100% his vision he either would've had to made a separate project himself, paid people to do so and made it clear that one of the requirements for the position was to follow his vision, or had a much smaller dev team only made of people who'd be willing to do so
azure oak
that one clip of "these are my machines" but it's just fabsol saying "these are my bosses"
fringe quiver
given it's a whole ass dev team there needs to be compromises
dusk bronze
at least he left willingly and didn't burn it down
actual best case scenario
fringe quiver
what's best for the mod and the team should be prioritized over any 1 person, even the owner's, requests
and this is why things should always be discussed beforehand
rather than just waking up one day and deciding im gonna add old duke
:p
dusk bronze
hmm today i will add point blank damage because haha funny videogame
azure oak
wasnt meant to be a joke but instead ot actually got added?
viral merlin
Wasn't point blank damage vanilla thing
fringe quiver
no?
vivid hemlock
no he stole it from ultrakill
viral merlin
Hm
dusk bronze
not even slightly
fringe quiver
vanilla would never add such a dogshit mechanic 😭
viral merlin
True
cunning sequoia
torches your luck
glass path
they added shit blocks
fringe quiver
wasnt meant to be a joke but instead ot actually got added?
old duke's addition from what i heardwas literally just
azure oak
if point black was incinerated nothing of value would be lost
pseudo pine
@dull heart bruh you literally just ported Violence's attack from your overhaul mod into base Calamity
not against it
fringe quiver
literally just a cosmetic variant if you fight duke on sulphur instead of regular ocean
fab is like
pseudo pine
very cool
viral merlin
Let's use ranger at melee's range
fringe quiver
"ok but what if it had some different attacks here and there, like a variant"
and then it was like
"ok but its such a waste to NOT make this into an actual boss"
and then it was like
"this is now a post moon lord boss and if you argue against it skill issue i guess"
glass path
literally most cal bosses
dusk bronze
insert scope creep sticker
glass path
are upgrades of a previous
fringe quiver
yeah and most of them are ass
viral merlin
Exo mechs
glass path
2 destroyer clones
fringe quiver
aquatic scourge is actually pretty fun not gonna lie
i like that one
desert scourge is also.... erm
it's Fine
dusk bronze
evil bosses
rav and golem
azure oak
at least exo mechs are something more unique in concept
dusk bronze
calclone and scal
fringe quiver
insert scope creep sticker
if only i had nitro
the masses crave roydev scope creep sticker
azure oak
granted their excecution isnt good but the concept's there i guess
fringe quiver
exo mechs r a situation where the actual game design behind them is more of an issue than the code just being sloppy and reused like in most other bosses
atleast from the looks of it, idk never fought em
dusk bronze
i think i actually made a list of every cal boss that's a derivative of another boss
azure oak
honestly i really like the idea of how the exo mechs fight works
fringe quiver
but not AI from a boss, no
dragonfolly literally just reuses AI from a regular enemy
dusk bronze
mothrom
dusk bronze
provi has modified ice queen ai
azure oak
a long tag team fight against a giant robots that all work differently? and they can be out at the same time leading to cool combination attacks?
sounds very nice
fringe quiver
yeah exo mechs has an actually v interesting concept
viral merlin
Everyone is just slime ai one way or another
fathom girder
And then in execution it's just mecha mayhem 2
azure oak
in reality they barely act like the others are there and individually their ais arent even interesting to begin with
spark kiln
no he stole it from ultrakill
ultrakill doesn’t even have that mechanic
fringe quiver
its rly baffling to me that fab seemingly just
all of these years
never improved his coding ?
atleast in the boss department
dusk bronze
ultrakill doesn’t even have that mechanic
yeah we know
he thought it did
vivid hemlock
ultrakill doesn’t even have that mechanic
i shouldve put quotes around stole
fringe quiver
either that or he just
fathom girder
Lucille did em well in their most recent exo rework
fringe quiver
willingly kept reusing vanilla ai to make it "vanilla like"< iirc?
fathom girder
Not the infernum one but a separate addon version
vivid hemlock
he played ultrakill and thought it did something like pointblank and then added it
fringe quiver
like he was actively gatekeeping himself from making his own boss code and just kept reusing stuff because that'd make it more "vanilla adjacent" in his eyes, i guess
which is so weird because like
vanilla dosen't reuse AI for most bosses
dusk bronze
he played ultrakill and thought it did something like pointblank and then added ...
fabsol moment
fringe quiver
its literally just mechs
fathom girder
Who really knows what his mindset was
glass path
i think the only decent boss with mostly unique ai are profaned guardians
fathom girder
Devs probably know more than we do in that regard
dusk bronze
Who really knows what his mindset was
i mean i could ask him
glass path
exo mechs are, mostly ok
dusk bronze
but i don't want to
orchid finch
i think the only decent boss with mostly unique ai are profaned guardians
because they aren't done by Fab iirc
fringe quiver
i remember a big thing with fab
was that he wanted to keep the mod "vanilla adjacent", in his eyes anyways
glass path
because they aren't done by Fab iirc
they arent??
fathom girder
i mean i *could* ask him
He's still alive?
fringe quiver
do not contact fabsol dawg 😭
viral merlin
All boss ai rework one day
dusk bronze
He's still alive?
he friended me to apologize after the transphobic argument and i haven't unfriended him it's just sitting there
spark kiln
he played ultrakill and thought it did something like pointblank and then added ...
ok but adding mechanics that you like from other games isn’t even a bad thing u don’t have to hate boner everything
fringe quiver
it will not end well for anyone
fathom girder
he friended me to apologize after the transphobic argument and i haven't unfrien...
Interesting
orchid finch
they arent??
I think it was discussed on CalCast, I don't remember who did them but Fab wasn't the main guy doing them
glass path
damn and here i thought he had missed potential
dusk bronze
ok but adding mechanics that you like from other games isn’t even a bad thing u...
pointblank sucks
fringe quiver
best thing that can happen atp is that fab grows and changes as a person by leaving this community
vivid hemlock
ok but adding mechanics that you like from other games isn’t even a bad thing u...
okay but it wasnt well made and entirely unnecessary
spark kiln
pointblank sucks
that’s besides the point
fringe quiver
it won't do good for either him or anyone here to contact him i don't think
spark kiln
u can just say the mechanic is bad rather than say he stole it
dusk bronze
best thing that can happen atp is that fab grows and changes as a person by leav...
he left every cal related server already
glass path
I think it was discussed on CalCast, I don't remember who did them but Fab wasn'...
altho iirc obsoleek's interview mentioned they're his work so??
spark kiln
you understand what they meant
?
dusk bronze
who's obsoleek
orchid finch
ex dev
glass path
youtuber
dusk bronze
they're not in the thank you painting
fringe quiver
obsoleek is a funny name
orchid finch
guh
fringe quiver
its like obsolete leek
dusk bronze
unless by a different name
orchid finch
I'm dumb
glass path
signus pfp guy
orchid finch
altho iirc obsoleek's interview mentioned they're his work so??
how long ago was that interview?
glass path
roughly a year?
orchid finch
tsk, yeah, then it is about the latest rework
am I having false memory? did I just unknowingly spread misinformation on the internet?
spark kiln
new….
glass path
they still have corite ai but 95% of the fight is unique afaik
fringe quiver
am I having false memory? did I just unknowingly spread misinformation on the in...
happens to the brest of us
best
dusk bronze
breast of us
fathom girder
Even the breast of us fall
vivid hemlock
fringe quiver
mr breast i NEED money
glass path
we should buff brimmy with those
fathom girder
No
fringe quiver
GUYS GET IT
fathom girder
She has enough of that
orchid finch
happens to the brest of us
Brest, formerly Brest-Litovks and Brest-on-the-Bug, is a city...
hushed hazel
i'm gonna put brimmy in a hydraulic press
glass path
i summoned a ton of horny teenagers
dusk bronze
y
fringe quiver
"horny teenagers"
hushed hazel
i summoned a ton of horny teenagers
no you didn't
fringe quiver
brother i am a 20 year old asexual woman
azure oak
devs should make hermititans and crabulon into box crabs
orchid finch
youngling
glass path
and here i thought being 21 was young
azure oak
does that mean i'm gonna turn into an unc next year
fringe quiver
yes you'll be a elder soon
glass path
seems like im a fossil now
azure oak
damnit
fringe quiver
the moment you're above 18 you're a grandparent
hushed hazel
i'm a grandma
does that mean i'm practically a skeleton since i'm one year older
valid crypt
Yes
fringe quiver
its just how it works
dusk bronze
does that mean i'm practically a skeleton since i'm one year older
you're primordial soup
hushed hazel
AWESOME
fringe quiver
soup
orchid finch
yall guys are nothing but a bunch of boogers
vivid hemlock
so merkalto is like a ghost at this point
hushed hazel
fuckign sick flaming blue skeleton with a keyboard and highlighted "G"
fringe quiver
merkalto is the oldest of them all
azure oak
box crabs are very funny lookin creatures
dusk bronze
box crabs are very funny lookin creatures
post
dusk bronze
he looks like bread
fathom girder
Thought that was a frog
azure oak
and thus hermititan and crabulon must become them
hushed hazel
wow yeah that is literally bread
fringe quiver
calamity has a abundance of crabs
fathom girder
Crablamity
fringe quiver
like "crab" is the single most common creature design archetype in calamity
i'm not even joking
like ok let me get the list again
sudden sundial
Yeah everybody talks about the worms
fringe quiver
there's morre crabs than worms.
dusk bronze
i have a list of every worm in vanilla and calamity
azure oak
though honestly i think it could be neat if hermititan took a bit of inspiration from decorator crabs,
but instead just literally had sea grass and coral growing on top of them
sudden sundial
Nobody talks about all the crabs
fathom girder
We have two crab bosses
vivid hemlock
"worms" to calamity players are just long segmented enemies
fathom girder
Worm ai
vivid hemlock
so it gets inflated
fringe quiver
flak crab
baby flak crab
slab crab
hadal hermit
clad crab
unnamed crystal clad crab
hermititan
scavenger
crabyceps
crabulon
i dunno if i'm missing any
might be.
cunning sequoia
my children
fathom girder
You missed aureus
dusk bronze
there's currently 17 worms
fathom girder
You crab
dusk bronze
there's currently 17 worms
not counting sso worms
cunning sequoia
You missed aureus
not crab
azure oak
carcinisation moment
cunning sequoia
❌
fringe quiver
aureus isn't a crab he's some non euclidean blob that has no distinct shape and bends the laws of physics
vivid hemlock
there's currently 17 worms
Thats just false
cunning sequoia
no claws
fathom girder
He is the claw
dusk bronze
Thats just false
alright i'll list them
cunning sequoia
youre a claw
fringe quiver
the only enemies i'd actually count as being "worms" in design would be like
armored digger
thanatos
devourer
weaver
deus
fathom girder
Part of a greater, crabbier, whole
fringe quiver
the other "worm" enemies in calamity are just worms in AI but aren't really worms in design
dusk bronze
i'm counting enemies with worm ai
fathom girder
Crab ai
azure oak
what makes a worm design then
fringe quiver
well they like
vivid hemlock
i'm counting enemies with worm ai
okay so youre just lying then
fathom girder
The worm
fringe quiver
look like worms, yk, they seem like invertebrates, dont have limbs, kinda eartworm or buggy looking
thanatos + armopred digger r robots but they have wormy vibes so i count em
dusk bronze
okay so youre just lying then
eater of worlds is a snake but worm ai originates from it
azure oak
seems a bit arbitrary
vivid hemlock
thats
fringe quiver
snake??
vivid hemlock
not calamity
azure oak
to classify them on vibes
dusk bronze
drops shadow scales
vivid hemlock
what snake has mandibles
vivid hemlock
>drops shadow scales
??????
dusk bronze
name a worm with scales
fathom girder
Me
glass path
i dont recall snakes having mandibles
fringe quiver
*objective*
giant worms are literally the only actual worms
giant worms and the hardmode version, the diggers
azure oak
this is crabulon
fringe quiver
nothing else would actually make sense to be a owrm, objectively
oh wait no
there's bobbit worms!
those are also actual worms
dusk bronze
worm critter
fringe quiver
also the critters yea
so the only actual true worms are
worm critter
giant worm
digger
bobbt worm
everything else is just superficially wormlike
cunning sequoia
worm
dusk bronze
i dont recall snakes having mandibles
i don't recall worms having scales
spark kiln
the other "worm" enemies in calamity are just worms in AI but aren't really worm...
aquatic scourge literally tries to circle you
fathom girder
i don't recall worms having scales
I don't recall your mother
spark kiln
it’s a worm thing to do
vivid hemlock
flak crab
baby flak crab
slab crab
hadal hermit
clad crab
unnamed crystal clad c...
since we're apparently including vanilla enemies too the crab critter also counts
fathom girder
Snakes also circle
spark kiln
am i losing my mind? what
fringe quiver
yes
fathom girder
You are yes
fringe quiver
anyways
vivid hemlock
i don't recall worms having scales
look at the actual design, what scales
dusk bronze
2011 sprite
vivid hemlock
this is vanilla its very very inconsistent
fathom girder
The shadow scales are actually his bones
glass path
i doubt much thought was put into the biology of bosses
fathom girder
Flying eye, drops ores:
fringe quiver
there's a entire clade of worms called Polychaete which includes bobbit worms and thousands of other species that are literally defined by having scales
modern grove
yeah exo mechs has an actually v interesting concept
Honestly, not really
fringe quiver
they're literally commonly called Scale Worms
modern grove
They have pretty cool visual design outside of any context
fathom girder
Biology lore
dusk bronze
and they have scales
where scales
modern grove
But their concept is literally mechs 2
modern grove
They're not cool conceptually
fathom girder
There is more to the exos than the surface level mechs 2 design throudon
fringe quiver
also yeah they're very good e xecutions of the idea design wise
azure oak
though it's probably mostly the exo mechs' palette and exo prisms
dusk bronze
throudon wake up
fringe quiver
ares in particular is great
fathom girder
Ares is easily the best executed of em
fringe quiver
thanatos is like the most middling of em all but it works
azure oak
robobitch
modern grove
There is more to the exos than the surface level mechs 2 design throudon
It's the foundation of their identity and is a part of a problem with them
modern grove
Sure there's more but when the foundation is shaky
dusk bronze
is there an explanation for why the hunter's exhaust flames look so terrible
fringe quiver
i don't think it's a problem chief
dusk bronze
i kinda dislike how the arms arent connected to the sides
they're connected by tiny wires
fathom girder
It's the foundation of their identity and is a part of a problem with them
How is the mechs foundation flawed though
That kinda throws me
Like mechs are annoying sure
But they're not exactly bad
azure oak
i actually think that them being mechs 2 could work well but rn it's just that nothing is done with it
glass path
they're connected by tiny wires
no you can see the joints connected to the back
fringe quiver
Armored digger, destroyer, thanatos are all robots
Desert Scourge, Aquatic Scourge, Wyverns and Eidolon Wyrms are reptiles
Sand Prowlers, Crested Stalker, Slithering Death, Oarfish, Gulper Eels are Fish
Devourers, Eater of Worlds, World Feeders, Perforators are just paranormal divine essence things so they don't really fit any real biological classification
Storm Weaver, Devourer, Astrum Deus fall under a similar category albeit being alien rather than paranormal
So
in other words
most worms are not actual true worms
azure oak
they could be the mech bosses taken to their logical extreme but rn they're just... the mech bosses but fancier
modern grove
Because them being mechs 2 is a very uncreative direction to go. They could have been their own cool robot thing that uses exo aesthetic. They still could have been multiple robots and not be mechs 2
vivid hemlock
the normal mechs are already derivative of some bosses
azure oak
would be interesting to see some other designs that could work similarly to the current exo mechs but arent based on the mech bosses
fringe quiver
I wouldn't exactly disagree that Exo Mechs 2 is a uncreative direction to go but the design execution is a visually interesting reimagining of the Mechs as much more complex designs so i don't have a problem with it
modern grove
I'd say exos visually are a good execution of a bad idea
fringe quiver
fair enough
modern grove
Almost opposite to anything in calamity
indigo fog
I feel like the Exo mechs are the best at being a successor to a vanilla boss, but its competition isn't the strongest
With so many bosses already being vanilla boss 2
modern grove
Is saying that calamity has a lot of interesting concepts but poor execution controversial
dusk bronze
no
fringe quiver
no
modern grove
Literally everyone here is saying that
indigo fog
I don't think so
dusk bronze
Literally everyone here is saying that
it's only bad when you do it specifically because we hate you
fringe quiver
i don't hate throudon..........
modern grove
There should be a hater here for the balance
azure oak
what would de-mech-boss'ed exo mechs even look like
fringe quiver
andromeda tommorow
modern grove
I appreciate cool calamity things in silence but say negative things to be a hater
fringe quiver
honestly its like
you could probably just tweak ares
and itd work well as a not mech boss exo
it's already
fairly idstinct from prime as is
vivid hemlock
ares evangelion
fringe quiver
like i think the main thing that says "this is skeletron prime 2" for it is just
the 4 arms
other than that i think it's just like a big robotic skeleton guy
which
dusk bronze
infernum 6 arms is peam
fringe quiver
isn't really a exclusively skeletron thing
azure oak
i mean they could be reworked into tangentially related things
fathom girder
its just kind of obnoxious atp
To be fair, he's not being very constructive about it
fringe quiver
if anything big robotic skeleton guy is somewhat of a common archetype for designs i think?
prisma cipher
isn't really a exclusively skeletron thing
?
azure oak
so kinda the mech bosses so refined they barely resemble them anymore
fringe quiver
warhammer has alot of those, i think...
indigo fog
You could take away ares's skull and it's be pretty detached from Skele prime
azure oak
like just not having the eye things on the exo twins and basically just being 2 fighter jets
fringe quiver
honestly evne with the skull i think it can be easily detached
its mostly the 4 arms that do it for me
robot skeleton with 4 arms is very sprime
dusk bronze
give ares legs
fringe quiver
but just Robot Skeleton, yeah thats reasonably separate
like
warframe guys, the terminator
prisma cipher
give ares legs <:clueless:1064298508653432933>
Yeah
fringe quiver
thats a surprisingly common design trope
prisma cipher
Just normal legs tho
dusk bronze
i just realized the only large bipedal bosses are golem and golem 2
vivid hemlock
yep
dusk bronze
agree
fringe quiver
i thinkkkk
pulsar cobalt
warframe guys, the terminator
santank
dusk bronze
i'll send the family gif for convenience
prisma cipher
I thinkkkk
fringe quiver
if exo mechs were redesigned to not be mech bosses
prisma cipher
I will eat the Exo mechs
pulsar cobalt
i thinkkkk
no u dont
indigo fog
Maybe, tho i never understood how the vents exactly work
fringe quiver
they could maybe be desgiend to fill similar "niches" to the current bosses?
so in other words
dusk bronze
prisma cipher
Maybe, tho i never understood how the vents exactly work
When shooting lasers
He takes damage
fringe quiver
ares is the damage killer evil guy
twins replacement r the speedy dodge nimble guys
thanatos replacement is the big beefy taqnky guy
prisma cipher
Maybe the real Exo mechs was the friends we built along the way
pulsar cobalt
Maybe, tho i never understood how the vents exactly work
after thanatos fires its lasers it opens its vents and tries to be a sussy amogus
indigo fog
When shooting lasers
Like all his segments or just the ones that are firing at that second?
prisma cipher
Only the segments firing
prisma cipher
after thanatos fires its lasers it opens its vents ~~and tries to be a sussy amo...
I can shrimp you here
Hahaha
🦐
azure oak
ares with less prime or smth
prisma cipher
Yes it is
prisma cipher
ares with less prime or smth
Edible?
vivid hemlock
No.
prisma cipher
Y not
azure oak
too lazy to draw proper weapons or arms
dusk bronze
those are laser cannons
azure oak
xg-07 mars
pulsar cobalt
but had multiple hands that he could cycle thru
prisma cipher
That’s me
azure oak
vee one megamurder
modern grove
On one hand I think it'd be better if exos took more inspiration from the gods they're named after on the other it might be generic direction still
modern grove
Ares with a giant sword and an ability to summon an army of underling robots like true god of war he is