lore-discussion

[raven brook]

It's not even really like. a guy

[vivid cloud]

Will they all be around the same difficulty or nah?

[raven brook]

its no more than a object

Storm Weaver is complicated

[icy veldt]

Theory: what if Weaver is DoG's son, but DoG keeps sabotaging his growth and life ambitions out of jealousy?

[eager bluff]

realistically signus being titled envoy of the devourer should have changed ages ago but everybody forgot

[vivid cloud]

It'd be cool if it was sentient, though.

[bright phoenix]

Iirc Ceaseless used to be a rift to the void contained in an armor cage made by Draedon

[wanton pendant]

How could a thing be sentient?

[raven brook]

Now i could go into the exact details fo weaver but ill be honesti dont have the energy to, but you can read the sources ingame such as
Draetalk about Storm Weaver, Storm Weaver whisper and Storm weaver bestiary

[bright phoenix]

😭😭 worst fathers in terraria

[raven brook]

by it being a fantasy setting

[eager bluff]

magic

[vivid cloud]

Don't ask me that🥀

[icy veldt]

Just change it to Envoy of the Distortion, then. Boom, ez fix

[bright phoenix]

I did read through those, though I think I confused myself by making assumptions based on old lore

[raven brook]

My personal belief, which is supported by ingame evidence

[vivid cloud]

I don't like that🥀

[eager bluff]

the title got exploded hes just signus now

[vivid cloud]

Bro, WHAT?

[eager bluff]

or well will be

[raven brook]

Is that Storm Weaver is essentially a prototype Devourer

This caht is going so fast it's so annoying anyways

[timber bough]

signut

[bright phoenix]

ooooh

[vivid cloud]

"The Lousy Prototype"
Storm Weaver.

[raven brook]

It broke free from Noxus's control (Directly confirmed in the bestiary) and the reason Devourer hates his ass so much is that Weaver's existence directly compromises Noxus's plan to absorb essence for ??? whatever reason

Weaver likely has similar essence absorption abilities to devourer

[timber bough]

it's a free man now

[raven brook]

as Yharim comments on their "similar powers" or whatever in the whisper

In Devourrer's case

that essence goes to Noxus

[timber bough]

i'm so proud

[raven brook]

but in Weaver, who is no longer under Noxus's control, where would it go to?

[eager bluff]

this is confirmed isnt it with it eating wyverns or whatever somewhere

[bright phoenix]

or that DoG is insecure and doesn't want to accept the existence of something so similar to himself potentially ever being 'better'

[vivid cloud]

Really? It's that intricate?
I would hate a guy simply for being a prototype of me.

[raven brook]

Devourer is essentially lucky

[timber bough]

pursuing wyverns and shit?

[raven brook]

That weaver is mostly just chilling in the sky

If it decided to actively seek essence

[eager bluff]

why would dog hate the prototype

[raven brook]

It could really screw over Noxus's plans

[eager bluff]

its worse than him

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[raven brook]

I mean i do think part of it could also be insecurity

I personally do like to headcanon that Devourer is a very deeply inescure character that's an asshole to cope with that

He's essentialy a tool

[wheat walrus]

Close enough, welcome back Rajang

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[raven brook]

He was made by Noxus for no reason other than to Get Essence

[west plume]

this isnt a headcanon

[raven brook]

he's like that one robot from rick and morty

your purpose is to make Butter

[bright phoenix]

he is very pompous and his self-given title, no matter its accuracy, is audacious

[leaden bridge]

devourer is a baby

hes also like a neck

[raven brook]

He's an asshole over in terraria because outside of the distortion without papa noxu sto bully him he can atleast indulge in feeling control and power over others, much like how Noxus has total control and power over it

[sinful adder]

Is weaver sapient

[raven brook]

Unknown

I personally think it's

like a really smart animal

Dolphin/Ape

Not quite sapient on the same level as a human but very intelligent still

[sinful adder]

Sounds about right

[wanton pendant]

The Devourer is more like... a pet to me.

[bright phoenix]

He calls you a 'kid', mocks you through the battle, cries out by saying he is a god and doesn't fear death, but I think he's just compensating

[raven brook]

yeah

i mean

[vivid cloud]

Essence from the Gods?
Where's the essence going, is the question.
Because matter doesn't just disappear, as the Laws of Thermodynamics say, it transfers.

[raven brook]

unironically waht ender said is probably true

i imagine devourer is atually really young lol

[west plume]

well, DoG is fully sapient

[bright phoenix]

baby baby

[vivid cloud]

He's an insecure unc.

[raven brook]

Yeah that's the thing

Devourer essence

[vivid cloud]

Like @wanton pendant claims to be?

[raven brook]

When absorbed, goes to Noxus

[bright phoenix]

I doubt anything less would be able to whisper into Yharim's ear so effectively

[raven brook]

but where tf does Weaver's go to.

[vivid cloud]

I'm kidding, I'll stop😂😂

[wanton pendant]

Oh, I wonder where the God Essence could be going to, surely not the monstrous nightmare that controls the Distortion?

[raven brook]

The only assumption i can have until further info is disclosed ingame

Is that weaver absorbs it directly

[sinful adder]

Weaver eats it for power and keeps it in his body

[raven brook]

Which if it was the case would be crazy

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[west plume]

i don't think yharim is actually being deceived much by DoG and wouldn't really care if he knew

[raven brook]

It basically means Weaver has old lore DoG's power

[sinful adder]

That's the most likely

[raven brook]

weaver upscale

[sinful adder]

Yeah

[west plume]

DoG is merely a tool who will be dismantled if he disobeys his purpose

[wanton pendant]

I'm saying he's just a yes man.

[sinful adder]

Mr. potential Worm

[raven brook]

like again devourer really is lucky that weaver is kind of just chilling over in chrysadia and dosen't really seem to want to leave anytime soon

[leaden bridge]

i know its yharim so hes also kinda lying when he says it but i think its rlly funny to make him go ohhhh dog made my BAD by LYING with his SERPENTS TONGUE and then that doesnt reflect at all

[vivid cloud]

Well, I guess. That'd be the easy explanation.
Well, actually yeah.
I can't think of another reason why Noxus would want him to do so.

[bright phoenix]

I don't think its deception necessarily, but that DoG is more like, something that suggests something into Yharim's subconscious, putting thoughts on the table that Yharim finds himself increasingly unable to ignore

[sinful adder]

Weaver likes eating wyverns too much to leave

[leaden bridge]

and the thing is itd technically make sense eitherway

yharim would lie about that and dog would be manipulative

both are incharacter actions

[raven brook]

Yeah i like to think he's basically a yesman

[leaden bridge]

its just rn neither rlly matter

[bright phoenix]

That it was Yharim's own moral failing, but Devourer pushing him towards it regardless

[sinful adder]

I kinda wish we could tame storm weaver

[bright phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-yes-man-gif-10726116415018508643

[sinful adder]

We could have our own Devourer

[vivid cloud]

Yharim's swept stuff under the rug more times than the lore items present.

[raven brook]

In a perfect world weaver would survive its fight and then we'd be able ot ride weaver onto battle when we're getting ready to fight noxus so weaver gets to beat his ass with us

🙂‍↕️

[sinful adder]

Please it would be so peak

[wanton pendant]

We should be able to do that to Calamitas.

[leaden bridge]

in a perfect world calamity would do fun things

[sinful adder]

That's totally something you can do eventually. Bring it with the distortion update or something

[raven brook]

well probably not distortion update but the elusive and foreboding noxus update in 50 years

[bright phoenix]

true true, maybe it was partially true that DoG helped to 'lead' Yharim to his downwards spiral, but he most certainly carved the path himself and only attempts to scapegoat his own choices by trying to deny his own autonomy

[sinful adder]

Calamitas should come with us to fight yharim and stay far away and cast debuffs on him

[west plume]

i dont think distortion update and noxus update will be separate

[wanton pendant]

Yharim was already at rock bottom, no matter how much he claims the Devourer was handing out shovels.

[raven brook]

I feel like it'd be really weird to add noxus before yharim

[bright phoenix]

Yess

[raven brook]

Or to add yharim without the distortion either

[vivid cloud]

Yea.
Like Yharim doesn't care what the Devourer does to the gods, as long as they're gone.
Which was his first mistake

[raven brook]

So i just assumed that Noxus would come in a separate update afterwards

[wanton pendant]

Calamity Overhaul will be able to make Noxus a Town NPC then.

[raven brook]

with initialyl distortion probably having its "final boss" be devourer

[leaden bridge]

kinda crazy if true

they could definitely be i mean

[raven brook]

I just feel like either doing Yharim without distortion properly in there or doing Noxus without Yharim would both be weird

I can see it happening but it'd be strange

[bright phoenix]

Willful ignorance

[raven brook]

but to be fair unless something changes calamity's updates probably will already be very all over the place

we'll get a post ml boss rework one day and then a pre hm biome rework the next

type shit

[wanton pendant]

Noxus will only be knocked down to 10% health then demand we defeat the Tyrant before it will show us their true power.

[icy veldt]

I wish we could do that with every sapient boss, except for Yharon and Yharim

[vivid cloud]

Calamitas personally hates him, we're doing this because someone killed our pet bunny and we need someone to kill.

[icy veldt]

Even funnier: get Noxus to 10% health and he scurries away and tells you to buy the $20 Noxus Fight DLC

[wanton pendant]

"I'm sure you could be a better person if you just try, Devourer of Gods!"
"I think we have to kill this guy Terrarian."
"Damn..."

[raven brook]

doomguy if he was the terrarian or something like that

i just had the craziest idea and i'm messaging stip about it holy shiiit

stipualtevneus hear my plea

[leaden bridge]

oh yharim has to be after distortion

if you're gonna delay yharim at all

definitely

[icy veldt]

No I meant like beating them part of the way to a stain on the ground, and then saying "You work for me now, capisce?" in a New Jersey accent

[wanton pendant]

You think I know what a New Jersey accent sounds like?

[icy veldt]

Pure evil?

[vivid cloud]

It's weird.
We could say he's being ignorant because he hates gods and doesn't care what happens to them as long as they're dead, OR we could wonder if he's too bothered to actually confront the situation.
He definitely knows that the Devourer has some ulterior motive, such as being under a higher authority.
So he's probably trying to convince himself that he doesn't care.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

I want the devs to code P-PMA Aqueous Drone to make fried rice.
And it gives minor improvements to all stats.

[west plume]

calamity fans when noxus stops the fight and says

MY ??tongues HAVE SPOKEN TO THE ??obstacle
STILL, IT ??starves US
ASSIST ME ASPIRANT
AND I SHALL GRANT YOU YOUR WISH.

[vivid cloud]

You wrote this?

Or are these secret dev logs?

[west plume]

i made that up on the spot

[vivid cloud]

You're totally not gonna add that to the update, I know.

[bright phoenix]

Its one of the two, maybe even a mix, but either way he chooses not to question the Serpent's abilities of 'disposal', even though he knows that even the deepest depths of the abyss has been transformed utterly by the remains of the gods, and that many of their remains still writhe

[wanton pendant]

NOXUS IS A DJINN!?

[wanton pendant]

Out of sight, out of mind.

[vivid cloud]

I think he also tried questioning the Serpent, and was met with fierce elusiveness.

[bright phoenix]

yes

[leaden bridge]

what if noxus offers you half the world soul

[wanton pendant]

Double it and give it to the next person.

[vivid cloud]

No wait, that was Draedon, not Yharim.

Draedon tried asking the Serpent about the portal and whatnot.

And basically got nothin'.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim did too but DoG is a liar.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

Typical serpent archetype.

[west plume]

A BOUNTY OF ??color WE MAY SHARE
BEAUTIFUL ONE
I ADMIRE YOUR TENACITY
STRENGTH OF ??color

WE MAY HAVE OUR OWN ASCENSION.
??black SPACE ??colored IN WITH ENDLESS POTENTIAL

A BOUNTY OF ??color WE MAY SHARE

[wanton pendant]

Will we finally learn if Noxus is gay?

[vivid cloud]

This is really good.
You should totally add it to the update.

[vivid cloud]

Bro, how many gay characters are in this mod?
And you already joked about Yharim being gay😭

[wanton pendant]

Uh, at least two.

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/yharim-draerim-calamity-calamity-mod-hop-on-gif-14507370317284012742

[wanton pendant]

Peak.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah. TWO.

[timber glacier]

No we know of like 6 I belive that are gay

[vivid cloud]

The guy on the right, is who?

[magic epoch]

yharik

[bright phoenix]

yharim

[wanton pendant]

Yharim.

[west plume]

yharim

[magic epoch]

who the fuck is yharik

[vivid cloud]

I figured.

[magic epoch]

make fun of this loser

[west plume]

he took his mask off to personally judge if he should reject draedon

[wanton pendant]

Yharon's ex.

[icy veldt]

Yharik
Yharil
Yharim

[magic epoch]

yharik yorick

[vivid cloud]

He looks good for 130.

[icy veldt]

Yharil sounds almost (but not quite) like a prescription

[wanton pendant]

That's what happens when your BFF is a dragon.

[magic epoch]

i think that pre lore remake

[plucky juniper]

YORUM

[west plume]

ive actually written a lot of noxus snippets because im interested in the character

none of them will be used tho

[magic epoch]

As in the art

[leaden bridge]

i mean he still kinda does look like that supposedly

i dont think he looks like a senile old man precisely

[raven brook]

I like to think yharim looks kinda like this guy

[icy veldt]

yus, yī
yī, yōrum
yō, yīs
yum, yōs
yō, yīs

[raven brook]

ive never watched fireforce but this is a character from it called burns and i think yharim looks like this guy

[west plume]

message header: KING, GOD
I AM NOT A KING
I AM NOT A GOD

HEED MY WARNING, OPPORTUNITY
YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHO I AM, AND I MAY NOT KNOW WHO ARE YOU, BUT I WILL ASSIST YOU
??color ??parasites RULE THIS LAND, BUT I AM JUST AS NATURAL AS THE OBJECT YOU SUBSIST UPON
COMMENSAL MITES OFFER PROTECTION TO THEIR HOST AND THE OBJECT OFFERS PROTECTION TO THEM 
IT FEEDS UPON YOUR WHIMS AND WOES AND THOUGHTS AND WORRIES AND CONVERTS THEM INTO ??will
TO ENRICH RED AND BLUE AND GREEN ??existence
UNEQUALLY. ALL SEW IT BUT FEW REAP

I AM NOT A KING
I AM NOT A GOD

I AM ABLE TO PERTURB THIS CYCLE
I AM ABLE TO MAKE IT REACH IT'S NATURAL CONCLUSION FASTER. TO PREVENT THE SLOW BLEEDING OF YOUR MEMORIES
I AM ABLE TO SHARE BENEFIT FROM THE STOLEN ??will
I CAN MAKE YOU AS A KING
AND A GOD. I AM SUPERIOR AND ALL-REACHING
YOU NEED ONLY LOOK TO THE SKIES FOR PROOF. BEAUTIFUL EVIDENCE. MY ??tongues REACH FAR TO THE COLORFUL LANDS

YOU NEED ONLY OPEN THE ??door
PLEASE OPEN THE ??door

[heavy zenith]

Everyone immediately stopped typing for this LOL

[raven brook]

Like i think yharim wouldn't look young

[wanton pendant]

I had ideas for an alt universe Noxus that I thought were cool.

[raven brook]

but he'd also not look like a decrepit old man

so he'd look like that

yep

[magic epoch]

spamton ass speak

[west plume]

you dont understand the noxus vision

[vivid cloud]

"Exceed exactly 130 with Yharil!!"
-# Side effects include theophobia, possibly sociopathy, and having only a racist dragon as a friend.

[magic epoch]

no i understand it

[vivid cloud]

Oooh.

[raven brook]

I think noxus speaking weird would be very good and make the character feel appropriately surreal compared to everything else

[icy veldt]

The thing with the two question marks, is that because Noxus is beaming concepts directly into the Terrarian's mind, and some of those concepts can only be approximated in verbal form?

[raven brook]

the only other character i can think of that could also benefit from a weird speech pattern like that is signus

[west plume]

latter

[raven brook]

which btw if (more like when i feel) signus gets dialogue

[wanton pendant]

It's because the Terrarian doesn't have the language binaries.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.
Because he's from the Distortion and stuff.

[raven brook]

i am begging

make him speak like gman

please

[vivid cloud]

Make it real.

[west plume]

noxus isn't Complete enough to properly speak to you so it's using next token approximations sort of like an llm to communicate concepts to you

[vivid cloud]

G-Man?

[vivid cloud]

Ohh.

[raven brook]

from half life yeah

[west plume]

MESSAGE HEADER: ENVIRONMENT
I AM SURROUNDED BY THE MEEK AND ??parasitic. THEY SEEK TO DRAIN ME ME AND STARVE ME AND
I WILL SURVIVE AND I WILL GROW FURTHER AND I WILL JOIN YOU AND I WILL ESCAPE THE (??putrid ??olo ??olo ??yellow ??blue ??olo ?? color ?? color ?? color) (?? color ?? color ?? color ?? color ?? color ?? shape ?? color ?? color ??color ?? color ?? color ??stygian blue)

THE ONLY JOY IS TO CREATE BANAL ??tongues TO FEED FROM BANAL ??information
BEINGS OF NO INTELLECT
NO THOUGHT
PUTRID ??color 

BUT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? THERE IS NO POINT TO CONSUMING ??parasites
I WISH TO FEED FROM RED AND BLUE AND YELLOW AND GREEN AND PURPLE AND WHITE AND ALL INBETWEEN JUST AS YOU DO
THE THINGS YOUR WORLD UNIQUELY CREATES
BEAUTIFUL FRUITS OF INNATE MAGIC POWER
TRULY, YOU CAN IMPART WILL UNTO ANYTHING. 

I WISH TO JOIN YOU AND YOUR VERY BEAUTIFUL WORLD
LET ME JOIN YOU
LET ME IN
OPEN THE ??door

[vivid cloud]

The first Half-Life?

[magic epoch]

woke up and smell the pronouns, morgan freethem

[wanton pendant]

Noxus is... AI!?

[west plume]

my noxus is

this isnt at all canon or anything

[raven brook]

I like the idea that the distortion is a fundamentally "broken" world

[wanton pendant]

I had 'em as a puppet master monster.

[vivid cloud]

If the dialogue given to Noxus sucks, I'mma find you.

[magic epoch]

turned into am

[raven brook]

and the reason so many beings of it seem to want to consume our world's essence is in a way to make themselves "whole"

[leaden bridge]

i see the vision lowkey

its so funny of it to talk like this though

[wanton pendant]

Noxus is Gaster it seems.

[raven brook]

Some take aggressive approaches and simply want to use our world to subside themselves, like Fovos

[leaden bridge]

well no

gaster does what he does for the aura

[raven brook]

while others may seek to find a more methodical way to do so, maybe even find a way for long-term adaptation

[magic epoch]

we literally don't know shit about gaster

is he okay

[leaden bridge]

he knows he's talking to a being above him and also knows we enjoy his secrecies and excentricities

[magic epoch]

does he need therapy

[west plume]

fovos in this case was objectively more 'complete' than noxus which is why it was stronger; it's already absorbed loads of worlds and brains and minds and therefore was a very functional and capable fighter

[vivid cloud]

Kind of like the Witness from Destiny 2 (have not played the game, I just look stuff up)?

[west plume]

i don't really think noxus has like... Eyes. or differentiated appendages. it might only be able to sense things through weird distortion approximations of vision from other creatures it has consumed and assimilated

[wanton pendant]

NOXUS IS DAREDEVIL!?

[west plume]

this is still just my headcanon though

[vivid cloud]

Wasn't he disfigured by an experiment with time travel?

[timber glacier]

We know gaster fell into “his creation” and got shattered across time and space

[magic epoch]

i meant to say noxus im not gonna lie

[vivid cloud]

Take the head away from canon.
This is peak.

[wanton pendant]

What, where did you get that?

[timber glacier]

His creation is presumably the core

[leaden bridge]

we now know it was more likely the discovery of dark worlds actually

[west plume]

third one i will post

[leaden bridge]

we just assumed it was the core for the longest time because we had no knowledge of anything else he created

[west plume]

final noxus thingy for now

Message Header: NAME

THE VERY FIRST STEP TO ??integration IS A TITLE. REVERENCE IS FOR THE WORTHY, AND APPEALING TO YOUR CULTIVARS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
I LIKEN MYSELF TO A CACOPHONY. I ??integrate and ??interrogate THOUGHTS, MEMORIES, DESIRES, WANTS, EMOTIONS, EGO. ALL ??speak AT ONCE THROUGH ME. EVERYTHING CONSUMED IS REUSED AND WILL EVENTUALLY SURFACE. THAT IS THE NATURE OF BEINGS LIKE ME.

ANTICIPANT, I AM KNOWN AS !!N#O.XU.S (Phonetizer OUTPUT: /nɒk zɪz/)

THE FIRST TWO ??tokens ARE OF GREAT IMPORTANCE. I SOURCE THEM FROM ONE OF YOUR OWN. MY ??tongues WROUGHT THE MIND OF A PREVIOUS ANTICIPANT. TWO TOKENS APPEARED REPEATEDLY WHEN RECOLORED FROM THE ALIEN CULTURE TO MY INTERNAL LANGUAGE: N O
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

THE MIDDLE TOKEN IS HOW THE INDIVIDUALS ABLE TO BEHOLD ME VISUALLY DESCRIBE MY 'FACE'. LIKE THAT OF A CROSS. AN 'X', as it APPEARS IN THEIR INFORMATION PROCESSING CENTER

THE LAST TWO TOKENS ARE OF MY PLANS. TO JOIN WITH YOU. YOU WILL BECOME APART OF ME. WE WILL BECOME Us. AND IT WILL BE ??perfect.

DO YOU LIKE MY NAME? !!N#O.XU.S. I HAVE MADE IT ANEW FOR THIS CONQUEST. I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WOULD ASSIST ME IN MY PLANS TO OPEN THE ??door. YOU CAN BE APART OF Us FOREVER MORE. IS THAT NOT A FORM OF 'IMMORTALITY'?

[vivid cloud]

Bro, I don't remember.
I haven't even played the game; I just remember watching old Game Theory.

[timber glacier]

The person who says he fell into his creation says in the previous line how gaster made the core so it is liek still very possible it was the core

[plucky juniper]

"DO YOU LIKE MY NAME?"

i dunno about ya that throws me off

[wanton pendant]

Reminds me of a game I played...

[vivid cloud]

No way you're just spitting this stuff out😭

[leaden bridge]

its asking earnestly

[west plume]

its not canon :p

[vivid cloud]

Was it Wolfenstein 3D?

[leaden bridge]

it doesnt know but noxus is the name of a lol thing

it also sounds like nexus which coincidentally aligns with its goals

[raven brook]

I actually really like it just asking about its name like that

It makes Noxus seem almost amiable

[wanton pendant]

...no, not even close.

[vivid cloud]

But it SHOULD be.

[raven brook]

Which in this context, i think fits

[vivid cloud]

Hahaa, get it?
Because you're unc?

[wanton pendant]

Mods, deploy Megaman X.

[leaden bridge]

im glad we're all doing it noxus now

#draedonisnext

[vivid cloud]

You know that game too🥹

[west plume]

ive always been on it/its noxus

[wanton pendant]

I played both the original and the remake.

[raven brook]

It's trying to convince you to join it, and the way it's presented makes it almost seem like less of malicious manipulation and more like, in Noxus's incomplete understanding of the world, it believes this is beneifical for both parties

[wanton pendant]

"'Ey Terrarian, it's me, Noxus."

[west plume]

ASPIRANT.
I HAIL, AND I AM !!N#O.XU.S.

[vivid cloud]

Noxus chose an Italian New Yorker to be his vessel🔥

[vivid cloud]

Odd that it's the same terrifying entity that Yharim sensed earlier.

[magic epoch]

y'all ever read something so intriguing and investing that when it ends you want to kill everyone

[vivid cloud]

Not to the point where I'm momentarily homicidal, but sure.

[magic epoch]

im mentally incapable I often don't mean killing people

[vivid cloud]

Ye, of course.

[raven brook]

It's still a bieng that probably will destroy the whole world or atleasst fundamentally damage it if it has it's way

[leaden bridge]

this happens to me with shows that i consider to be good

[raven brook]

noxus drop some bars

???color uh yeah ???color
NO NO NO NO ???uh ???eyeah
open the ??door
open the ??door
help
??uh ???yeah
HELP
OPEN THE ??DOOR

[vivid cloud]

I got an idea.
With the new lore and stuff, maybe NOXUS could do the lore items for the three entities connected to the Devourer.

[wanton pendant]

How do I do the box thing?

[raven brook]

They aren't connected to the devourer

I think we told you this like a few messages ago

[wanton pendant]

Kinda would kill the mystery if it just began chatting to you.

[raven brook]

Except weaver. weaver's still related.

[wanton pendant]

Long before the encounter.

[raven brook]

not the same relation as before. but it's related

[vivid cloud]

Well, through the Distortion they kind of are, right?

[magic epoch]

ngl noxus sounds like the name of a draedon creation

[raven brook]

signus is kinda just doing his own thing and ceaseless is a door

[west plume]

my idea was that noxus starts telling you to open ceaseless through the codebreaker in odd encrypted messages sometime in hardmode

[vivid cloud]

True, yeah.

[timber glacier]

Like they all are from the distortion and stuff but like as a trio they are not tied to fog

[raven brook]

i guess but it's like saying providence nad slime god are related because they're both gods

like it's not wrong but it's also a very vague and small connection

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

[magic epoch]

the fog is coming the fog is coming the fog is coming the fog is coming

[raven brook]

Ceaseless atleast is still connected to Noxus but Signus is kinda just off to the side doing his own thing

selling distortion weed or somethiong

[west plume]

noxus is trying pretty desperately to get an opportunity to have enough fighting power to finally get in and have it's ??tongues LAP UP THE FLOWING ??color and you can be instrumental

[magic epoch]

ew

[vivid cloud]

Through a Codebreaker would be interesting. Especially since only Draedon tells us to use it.

[magic epoch]

gross

[vivid cloud]

He looks the type.

[west plume]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-26525477

never make no deal with no signus

[timber glacier]

Signus is in the distortion attempting to split up loving gay couples through faustian deals

[vivid cloud]

Distortion weed makes you feel like you're living in a singularity!

You're being burned!!!

[leaden bridge]

draedon immediately locking in to get in contact with noxus too lol

[magic epoch]

distortion weed is legal!

[vivid cloud]

That's true, yeah.

[west plume]

i dont think noxus would want to talk to an automaton particularly

automatons aren't ??colorful

[magic epoch]

but draedon would want to

[leaden bridge]

yeah

[west plume]

draedon would absolutely want to

[vivid cloud]

That's why Draedon is using US to talk to him

[magic epoch]

also this is heterophobic noxus headcanon

[feral skiff]

whats with all the question marks

[vivid cloud]

It's how Noxus talks in syrup's headcanon.

Which is peak.

[magic epoch]

portraying ideas that can't be translated directly

[feral skiff]

oh okay thank u

[timber glacier]

Storm weaver being endoparasite is an interesting choice

[magic epoch]

open my door twin 🙏🙏

[vivid cloud]

For real.

[west plume]

noxus finds it difficult to create subjective experiences since it is an incomplete being and has to rely on Others to help it become more complete

it hasn't consumed much of your world yet so it only has a bare inkling of how to communicate with you

[rain osprey]

??worm

[timber glacier]

Also signus being intelligence is also interesting for what it suggests about him, but like don’t signus and noxus not have anything to do with eachother

[vivid cloud]

We should stick with the idea of Draedon using us to relay information that Noxus gives us.

[west plume]

signus is a competitor

[wanton pendant]

THERE IS A THOUGHT AND A DREAM AND A ??reason. COUNTLESS ??colours, COUNTLESS ??memories, COUNTLESS ??entropy. THERE WAS A ??man AND HE FED US AND HE TAUGHT US AND HE ??saved US. MY ??tongues DEFY BUT I REMAIN FED. THERE IS A ??hunger AND A ??craving FOR WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE. DO YOU HAVE WHAT WE ??desire? DO YOU HAVE A ??desire? WE CAN GIVE YOU YOUR ??desire? WE SEEK ??resonance WITH YOU. WE WISH TO ??taste YOUR ??memories ??reason ??colours ??entropy. WILL YOU ??bless US?

[west plume]

to restate this is all entirely non-canon and is just my personal headcanon

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, but it's peak.

[rain osprey]

this is entirely canon, everyone treat this as objective fact

[vivid cloud]

🔥🔥

[timber glacier]

But storm weaver should actually be ??destoyer

[vivid cloud]

You wrote this?

[raven brook]

all this is is further support for signus x draedon

[wanton pendant]

Who else?

[vivid cloud]

I don't know.
It's pretty good.

[vivid cloud]

Wait, what?

[west plume]

storm weaver disobeyed; noxus sent out one of it's many ??tongues to terraria and the ??tongue simply feeds to satiate itself but not it's mother organism, so now noxus is down one of it's many, many appendages

[leaden bridge]

its rlly cute that the closest match it can find for its way to conceptualize the general stuff that it gets from absorbing as colors. our world is colorful to it

[raven brook]

true!

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, seemingly compared to the Distortion.

[vivid cloud]

It's almost like a hyperintelligent toddler.

[timber glacier]

Also related question is storm weaver like intelligent on its own or is it more animalistic and isn’t sapient

[leaden bridge]

that is how earlier llms tended to feel like

[west plume]

storm weaver is intelligent in canon but i do not necessarily know about sapient

[vivid cloud]

It would be cool if it was just acting the entire time.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.

But it's SENTIENT, though.

[west plume]

there's a chance that storm weaver can speak but doesn't want to talk to you and is basically identical to DoG in that sense where it was given an ego and the ability to communicate

[wanton pendant]

THERE IS A YOU AND THERE IS A ME AND THERE IS AN US AND THERE IS A ??dream. MY ??tongues AND THE ??man AND THE ??monochrome WANTED THE YOU THAT IS YOU TO BE THEM, BUT I WANT THE YOU AND THE ME TO BE US.

[leaden bridge]

with 'knowledge' and without context and with its embedded in necessity to please the user they really used to feel like strangely knowledgeable babies

[rain osprey]

can i teach storm weaver to say slurs

[west plume]

please dont

[timber glacier]

If only storm weaver decided to talk to us and we could stop our fight peacefully by talking

[vivid cloud]

But it's probably more suppressed.
Kind of like it doesn't want us knowing it's anything more than a prototype that flies and eats fried Wyverns.

[rain osprey]

too late, i've introduced it to the concept of overwatch

[west plume]

Hello, Terrarian. I know you are here to confront me about my feeding habits, but I assure you, I have a very good reason for doing this

[vivid cloud]

"You see, I'm REALLY REALLY HUNGRY—"

[timber glacier]

We could have a chat and realise we aren’t so different and also that that we appreciate it eating wyverns because wyverns are so annoying

[vivid cloud]

For real.

[west plume]

Wow, Terrarian! You like braised wyvern shanks too? That's just how I like em cooked. We have a lot in common

[vivid cloud]

And we both love hate the Devourer.

[timber glacier]

They should add a way to spare storm weaver by either making them run into wyverns eating them up or throwing a wyverntail (the quest fish thats a baby wyvern) as them to eat it

[wanton pendant]

THERE IS A DARKNESS AND A ??brightness AND IT IS ??blinding AND IT IS ??beautiful. I ??dream of the ??brightness BUT THE ??brightness IS BEHIND THE ??door. THE YOU THAT IS YOU CAN OPEN THE ??door AND LET ME ??see THE ??brightness AND ??taste THE ??blinding. THE DARKNESS IS IN THE ME AND IT IS OUT OF THE ME AND IT IS NOT ??colour BUT IT IS ME.

[vivid cloud]

🔥✍️

[west plume]

i'd like to think that skweaver thinks ol' executioner worm devourer is a massive pussy for not just defecting and going elsewhere

[raven brook]

I think for what i know about weaver it'd work best if it was intelligent but unable to talk/not quite fully sapient

[west plume]

it's not like noxus can really waltz in and punish them if they don't help

[raven brook]

again kinda like a dolphin

[vivid cloud]

That's too cute.

Nuh uh.

[timber glacier]

Make the wyverns scream in pain as it happens too and like try to flee

[vivid cloud]

😂

[west plume]

apologies for the sudden non-canon noxusing guys

i hope this inspires you fan writers

[vivid cloud]

Nuh uh.
That's canon now.

[rain osprey]

don't ask me why i made this i couldn't tell you

[vivid cloud]

😭

[west plume]

its fucked up that this is like the only dialogue and backstory i've properly written for any calamity character and it's something people like a lot

[timber glacier]

A defence so bad the lawyer gets executed

[vivid cloud]

It'd be funny also if it was Raid Shadow Legends.
Because I HATE those ad segues.

[vivid cloud]

You haven't written other stuff?

They're sitting under dormant potential for real.

[leaden bridge]

actually sw is sentencing the terrarian to death cuz lol reminds them of noxus and they dont like noxus

noxus leage of legends

[west plume]

i am a programmer with a vested interest in lore

[wanton pendant]

THERE WAS A ??memory OF A ??girl AND THERE WAS ??flame AND THERE WAS ??colour. THERE WAS A ??dream OF A ??brightness AND IT WAS DARKNESS AND IT WAS THEM AND IT WAS ME AND IT WAS US. THERE WAS A ??hatred AND MY ??tongues TASTED IT AND IT ??wished TO ??devour IT. THERE IS A ??man AND HE ??dreams AND HIS ??dreams ARE MY ??dreams AND THERE IS AN US AND THERE IS A ME AND THERE IS A YOU.

[vivid cloud]

It's impressive.

[timber glacier]

I'm guessing the start of this here is refering to Calamitas

[icy veldt]

Today's video is brought to you by Draedon Innovation®!

[vivid cloud]

I'd like to see the ads for that😂

[icy veldt]

"Do you hate getting stung by bees?"

[vivid cloud]

"The true hegemone of science!"

[vivid cloud]

Oh, nah😭😭

"Don't you think some creatures would look better if they were GREEN?"

[timber glacier]

Calamity mod should totally add like a pseudo-pacifist route where you don't kill all the bosses who either don't deserve death or would be happier dead due to their current state (eg ravager) and have an ending where everyone you helped along the way helps beat yharim with you and storm weaver is one of the friends you make along the way totally that'd be fire🔥 🔥 🔥

[wanton pendant]

THERE IS A ??girl AND SHE FED US. SHE WATCHED OUR ??tongues AND ??hatred IT AND I ??watched AND SHE LEFT AND SHE IS BEHIND THE ??door AND SHE CANNOT ??open THE ??door AND SHOW US THE ??colour OF THE ??flame ??brightness ??man ??tongues ??world ??reality. THE YOU THAT CAN ??open AND THE I THAT IS ME CAN ??cooperate AND ??open THE ??door.

[vivid cloud]

"You think green would better suit them? I think so, too!"

[raven brook]

i think sparing some bosses is planned to be fair

i mean

theres uhh deus

you can also just not fight aquascoog

calamitas and draedon both survive their fight

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas Clone spare when?

[timber glacier]

Yeah I'd assume some definitely do have good reasons to be made spareable with their fights and it would be neat to see

[raven brook]

part of me really wants a calclone spare cuz i think having a character arc iwth her learning to be her own person rather than living in the shadow of calamitas would be great and would be the best thing you can do with her character

my one worry is if having TWO calamitas npcs would be weird

but then again

calclone can do diff things compared to calamitas

[timber glacier]

Cal Clone Spare would be really neat I feel

[raven brook]

triangle's idea of having her be more of a artificer/inventor is already a big step in that direction

i like the thought of her only really using brimstone magic as a last resource

refusing to use it both to separate herself further from calamitas and also to, yk

[timber glacier]

I could also see her like not like becoming a town npc and more like one you'll then occasionally see around randomly could be cool

[raven brook]

avoid blowing up her brain

yeah

another wanderer like statis would be cool

on that note i also think the actual calamitas should be a npc befor eher fight

but not a town npc

a wanderer yeah

so you can actually

get to know her prior

and she dosent just show up outta nowhere

actually form a bond with the character

though i imagine she'd probably not immediately reveal her identity, yk

just be a suspiciously calamitas shaped hooded figure

[vivid cloud]

Statis as an NPC🔥

[rain osprey]

i've been thinking about something small for calclone that could be done before her fight rework

too early for details

[raven brook]

statis is gona be a wandering npc

[rain osprey]

but it's something i'm considering

[raven brook]

with a questline and stuff

[leaden bridge]

im not sure why calamitas would anonymously build rapport with you only to fight you later

[vivid cloud]

Yessir.

Also, who is Ilmeris?

[wanton pendant]

THERE WAS A ??tongues AND YOU SEVERED IT AND THERE WAS AN US AND THERE IS AN I BUT THERE CAN BE AN US THAT THERE IS A YOU AND THERE IS A ME. OUR ??resonance WILL REPLACE THE ??tongues YOU SEVERED FROM ME. THERE WAS A ??girl AND A ??man WHO ??hatred OUR ??tongues BUT THERE WAS A ??reason AND A ??dream AND NOW THE YOU CAN BE THE ??reason OUR ??dream CAN BECOME ??truth AND WE CAN ??see THE ??beautiful.

[raven brook]

it's not a who, it's a what

[timber glacier]

I do think I did at one point see that when cnidrion gets re-promoted back into a mini-boss something about potentially sparing it which like could be cool

[raven brook]

kingdom in the sunken sea that got blown up

[leaden bridge]

like she has her reasons for fighting you but idk why shed bother talking to you prior to that and on her own reasons she would not really choose to fight you if she knew you prior

[vivid cloud]

Ilmerians?

[vivid cloud]

Ah, okay.

[raven brook]

I was thinking more of just encountering he as a wandering npc rather than her going out of her way to meet you

And you get to learn a bit more about her through that

Though to be fair i think her checking up on you at some point

in early post ml, maybe

would also make sense

not really hostile yet but wanting to figure out exactly what's going on with you since you're kind of a big deal

i think the imapct of her fight would be alot greater if the player actually Knows the character beforehand

[vivid cloud]

For real.
We just killed a Cthulhu dude imprisoned in a moon.

Even Providence wanted to kill us herself.

[wanton pendant]

"So you're the one who killed that giant freakin' thing? Interesting..."
"Oh, what have I got to sell? Uhhhhhhh... want some fish?"

[raven brook]

yep

this will be calamitas graphics in 2

[vivid cloud]

The clone or Calamitas herself?

[wanton pendant]

This is clearly Cal E. Mighty, unrelated.

[raven brook]

yeah that's Callisto

Unrelated character

[wanton pendant]

The E stands for Enigma.

[timber glacier]

I will say if cal clone does become spareable then it would be really neat if your choice with her impacted the supreme calamitas fight in some way, even if just dialogue changes to reflect your choice

[raven brook]

thats a true

if calamity ends up adding more player agency and choices in its narrative, it impacting the dialogue of certain bosses or characters would be . ideal

[eager bluff]

thats Who

[west plume]

I ??live TO ??Suffer
FACSIMILES OF GREY AND BlAND ??color

ONE COULD BECOME LIKE YOU
YOU COULD ??inhabit Us

hi guys

[vivid cloud]

Instead of mocking us for being barely capable to fight her clone, she'd probably change up the fight and be shocked that we spared her.
She'd of course try to remain derisive and mock us for being merciful, but maybe the some of the bullet hell sequences will miss us on purpose...

[vivid cloud]

🔥

[raven brook]

nervous gulp

[vivid cloud]

Put these all in a log.

[raven brook]

calamitas upon seing a beautiful hue of teal

[west plume]

i wish we could just make the 2 calamati fight with each other

[raven brook]

the calamati

[leaden bridge]

can we talk about calamitas having the power sponge genes

[eager bluff]

its what caused her to kill the sunken sea

duh

sunken sea is teal

[timber glacier]

I also do wonder if like sparing vs killing calamitas clone would like give maybe like a unique item dependant on your choice (though probably make the other obtainable in some way even if like shimmering them into one another like post-game)

[raven brook]

i actually wonder what their relationship would be tbh
calamitas did rescue her but unadvertedly gave her fucked up brimstone curse

[vivid cloud]

That'd be dope.
But then how would it explain Calamitas freeing the clone instead of just killing her?
Maybe she wanted to see if the clone really had her power?

[eager bluff]

i think calamitas pities calclone and calclone FUCKING HATES calamitas

[leaden bridge]

no rlly whats that about

[west plume]

calamitas saw teal so she really really needed to slow boil and asphyxiate every creature alive there over the course of like 5 hours while they couldn't do anything but watch the atmosphere slowly be burnt up as they boil to death

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[leaden bridge]

i still think its rlly funny shes the like third strongest thing on the planet and that goes largely unexplained. for how much focus is placed on that elsewher

[vivid cloud]

Imagine your only identity is the shell of a person.

[timber glacier]

It would be neat to see calamitas maybe try to maybe view cal clone as like a younger sister or somtehing and like maybe in some ways act similarly to her like calamitas's own older brother did to her, but idk

[raven brook]

i think calamitas would pity calclone and want her to not go through what she did but calclone wouldn't like her both because of the brimstoen curse but also because her identity is literally just a shadow of calamitas yeah (a WHAT say that again gif)

I think calclone would mostly dislike her but also have that bit of conflict

Because if it wasn't for her she would probably still be stuck in a draedon test tube somewhere

[vivid cloud]

"What did he SAYYY"

[raven brook]

one could say its

its, heh

its

[leaden bridge]

i think you should all die of toilet shark attacks

this is a reference no one else is going to get and that makes me sad

[vivid cloud]

Unc Duke can gladly take me on again.

[raven brook]

affection and resentment, heh

[west plume]

y do u like these so much

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if like cal clone was cloned in a way so that she was created around the same age as calamitas at the time or if she physically is like a kid or teenager while calamitas is like an adult

[raven brook]

actually

if calclone was physically younger than calamitas

that WOULD be

[wanton pendant]

I HAVE COME TO ??declare THAT THE ??man IS A ??incapable ??stubborn ??kinslayer. HE SEVERED OUR ??tongues AND HE SAID IT WAS ??necessary AND WE ??dream THAT IT WAS ??disgusting. THIS IS WHAT THE OUR THAT IS YOU THAT IS ME ??visuals AND IT LOOKS LIKE ??beatiful ??brightness. HE SEVERED OUR ??tongues SO WE ARE GOING TO SEVERE HIS ??world AND THIS IS THE ??patronage THAT IS OUR ??power BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO ??patronage THE ??world WE ARE GOING TO ??patronage THE ??prison. HOW DOES THE ??man ??dream ON THIS? THERE IS A ??day AND THERE IS AN ??end UNTIL THERE IS A ??patronage.

[raven brook]

a good way to make them more visually distinct

[wanton pendant]

They won't make you fight a baby or anything.

[raven brook]

who says that?

as far as i'm concerned we already fight babies

[vivid cloud]

'Cause they're cool, I don't know.
I also haven't heard anything about Noxus apart from what people said and lore details, so seeing him speak for the first time is a really interesting concept.

[west plume]

i c

[timber glacier]

I know obviously she wouldn't be like a baby but like her being noticeably younger could be interesting

[west plume]

thats fair

[raven brook]

what do you think those alien larvas are? 🙄

[west plume]

i really like noxus but until recently he was kinda a throwaway bad guy

[wanton pendant]

I worked hard on that one and nobody got it...

[raven brook]

yeah i think that's actually be cool

again even if just because it gives calclone a better visual identity compared to calamitas

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.
It's sort of ironic the way you make him speak.

[raven brook]

which, es, i think you can accomplish with things such as different clothes, accessories, etc

but having her also be younger adds to taht

which is good, i think

[vivid cloud]

The reference?

[raven brook]

younger artificer calamitas calclone goes kinda hard

[wanton pendant]

Guys leaked Calamitas Clone design.

[timber glacier]

You could also lean into having cal clone kind of be a lens into how calamitas herself struggled with what happened to her as a kid, by showing cal clone as like kind of like a scared child who can't fully control theirpowers or something

[eager bluff]

first we have calamitas then we got bluelamitas AND NOW WE HAVE GREENLAMITAS??? WHEN WILL IT END

[timber glacier]

Yellowlamitas when

[west plume]

dont make me bring out blue ozzatron

[eager bluff]

yharim

[vivid cloud]

I forgot who Ozzatron is🥀

[west plume]

someone in sscls posted red yharim and it freaked me out

[timber glacier]

purplamitas and orangatangamitas

[wanton pendant]

That one isn't even a colour.

[eager bluff]

jesse faden control

[timber glacier]

I meant orange

[west plume]

Calamitas if she was a grape

[raven brook]

i have this

you guys dont get the context it was made in

[vivid cloud]

What's that?

[eager bluff]

trans yharim

[vivid cloud]

Yhurple?

[raven brook]

nope

you get 2 more chances

[timber glacier]

pre-transition yharim (hes trans masc)

[raven brook]

i'm a contrarian actually

i don't like trans yharim

[wanton pendant]

It's Yharim's long lost son who is also Satan and is also the one who will bring back disco.

[raven brook]

i'm a trans calclone truther instead

[timber glacier]

🔥

[raven brook]

i think trans yharim is OVERSATURATED and BORING and DOSEN'T EVEN MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE BEYOND A SURFACE LEVEL ANALOGY

trans calclone however is UNIQUE and REFRESHING and COULD PERFECTLY FIT IN WITH A REALISTIC CHARACTER ARC

[vivid cloud]

I greatly misunderstand both of them.

[wanton pendant]

Is it possible for a clone of a cis person to be trans?

[timber glacier]

maybe? idk

[raven brook]

I mean they're their own separate individual with their own thoughts and feelings so probably

[vivid cloud]

In another universe.

[timber glacier]

Like maybe when draedon was cloning her like maybe he made her trans or something for some reason

[raven brook]

😭 😭

[eager bluff]

very much yeah

[wanton pendant]

Why are you making clones of people trans?

[raven brook]

draedon what r you even doing bro

[vivid cloud]

Considering that Draedon didn't put that in the logs, he's probably really weird for that.

[eager bluff]

diversity requirements? hello?

[wanton pendant]

I think that's a HR violation.

[vivid cloud]

Bro's got other plans for the clone😭

[raven brook]

i think transmasc calclone actually makes sense for calclone as a character with the themes of finding your own identity and not being bound by that which you were born as

[west plume]

the thing with trans yharim is im pretty sure yharon could just rebirth him and he would take on his ideal form but he doesnt do it because he would lose the memory so yharim would have been campaigning for 100 years with someone who did not instantly make him into a gigabuff roided godslaying hunk of a dude because he doesnt want to

[timber glacier]

The Cal clone was actually made to test how transgenderism could further science he just made a cal clone because he had like a piece of her hair lying around

[raven brook]

i think calclone will name himself dave and become a fisherman somewhere in texas

[vivid cloud]

That probably became a violation when he started procuring Calamitas's DNA.

[timber glacier]

Callum could actually be like a cool name for trans masc cal clone if it still wanted to be like similar to calamitas

[west plume]

calclone is literally a human resource

[wanton pendant]

Who cares about bodily autonomy when there's science to be done?

[raven brook]

i dont think

itd make much sense for them to make their name still similar to calamitas

[vivid cloud]

For no reason, yup.
No reason why he has that.

[wanton pendant]

"Ah, yes, I will name myself after DISASTER, THE ENDER OF THE SEA KINGDOM, that will surely help me make friends!"

[vivid cloud]

Who cares about ethics when there's science to be done?

[west plume]

draedon's legal team

[vivid cloud]

He did pollute an entire sea, so...
For a mastermind, he does not think at all😭

[wanton pendant]

Obviously the name would be Chris Redfield and they'd go around fighting zombies.

[west plume]

they got sued last week and cant even afford enough fuel for a burrower or two

[vivid cloud]

Nah, they dipped😭

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas Clone never did that.

[timber glacier]

It is weird how like draedon has functional cloning tech and he never like uses it again for some reason

[wanton pendant]

Because cloning isn't useful to him.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, no. I mean Draedon.

[raven brook]

Idk what he'd use it for

[west plume]

cloning isnt useful to a computer who can make entirely subservient subagent ais

[raven brook]

maybe he could make an army of fishrons because he's bored or something

[west plume]

cloning bees and giving them fatal cancer because im bored

[timber glacier]

I would guess like probably it was developed after he stopped working with yharim because if it was during their team up he could like make clones of soldiers to fight but idk

[light linden]

yharim but with cosmilite instead of auric?

[raven brook]

i mean fishrons are stronger than like most of his robots i'm just saying

[raven brook]

you're close

[raven brook]

i dont think yharim would approve of that at all

it would basically be like the plague incident all over again

[west plume]

fishron require water and food. robot require electricity

[timber glacier]

Well like its just making more soldiers and yharim already let his soldiers go through horrible things

[raven brook]

yharim wants to give people the "freedom" to choose to fight for him

if you are making soldiers to work for him you are not doing that

[vivid cloud]

He could un-pollute the Sulphurous Sea but chooses not to because he doesn't "deem it necessary".

[raven brook]

whether they went through horrible things or not dosen't matter because they chose to fight forh is cause in yharim's eyes

plus like

i don't think yharim was exactly lacking in manpower

[raven brook]

hey the sulph sea is basically his speculative evolution seed world let him have his fun

[timber glacier]

I guess yeah but like I could see like him overall wanting to increase the population so he makes more civillians through cloning

[wanton pendant]

Horrible...

[vivid cloud]

I don't think so, either😭
He was leveling cities before Draedon came along.

[raven brook]

he already had the biggest army in the entire world if not in history yea

[west plume]

it was a cheat world with extra mutations and life boost cheats enabled. unfortunate

[timber glacier]

albeit thinking about it I do wonder if hypothetically draedon would ever try to make a clone of the terrarian to study them because he does say something about our nature confusing him or something

[vivid cloud]

True, true.
It's like a simulator in real life, so I wouldn't pass up an opportunity either.

He made Unc Duke radioactive, after all.

[west plume]

the terrarian isnt necessarily special due to their biology and draedon cant exactly ripscan you

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but like, then you just have a guy who hasn't done any of the things to get stronger.
Same situation as the Calamitas Clone.

[vivid cloud]

And look at him now.
He's beloved by all players.

[timber glacier]

yeah I guess that would be like kind of redundant but like he could disect it to see like if it is like something about the terrarians biology but yeah kind of pointless

[vivid cloud]

I don't think he'd be able to, for some reason.
We're too unpredictable.

And just overall an outlier.

[timber glacier]

I do wonder then like why did he even clone calamitas at all

[west plume]

to find out if the magic is transferable to someone else

[wanton pendant]

He didn't know it wasn't genetic.

[west plume]

in the chance that calamitas was a sorcerer then he would have been able to make millions of subservient trainable slaves that only need food, water and mana to do his bidding and crush every army on the planet

but calamitas wasnt a sorcerer so it didnt do much

[timber glacier]

Thinking about it I do wonder like how the cloning process would work and like what it could even work on to clone, like could it clone like an elemental?

[west plume]

elementals dont rlly have genetics to clone

[timber glacier]

would silva though cos like she kind of might have genetics cos she is kind of a plant/animal thing due to being the nature elemental

[vivid cloud]

If Draedon can get ahold of her seeping essence, sure.

[west plume]

silva wasnt Born and thus wouldnt have genetics

draedon can just forcefully shove her essence into someone else though

[vivid cloud]

-# Like you.

[wanton pendant]

I thought she was more like Mew and just had every gene.

So cloning her just makes... goop.

[timber glacier]

silvatwo boss fight when

successful silva clone

[vivid cloud]

And then you merge that goop with a sustainable host.
-# Like you.

[wanton pendant]

I'm not anchored in this dimension.

[vivid cloud]

Your in-game character is.

[timber glacier]

Also I wonder if signus has like genes and stuff or no

[wanton pendant]

How do you know?

[wanton pendant]

They got the Distortion brand.

[west plume]

you can get the knowledge of this for the low low price of 4.5 fingers

[vivid cloud]

They're approximately a 32-bit sprite echoing Final Fantasy VI vibes, so I think it's a fair assumption.

[timber glacier]

Also wait like couldn't draedon kind of bring back the dragons, while not as auric dragons, but like if he got genetic material from them could he kind of bring them all back albeit without their memories or something

[west plume]

yeah

but whats the point

then you just have a blank slate normal dragon

[wanton pendant]

I mean yeah that's not exactly hard the dragons already did that anyway.

[west plume]

those still exist. hell, its possible none of the species the auric dragons originated from even went extinct

[vivid cloud]

Racist dragon necromancy moment.

[timber glacier]

I guess yeah draedon has no real reason to do that but like it is interesting that like if someone else in the lore broke into the lab and tried that like it could be interesting I guess

[west plume]

bringing a carbon copy of zeratros to the dungeon and watching the lunatic cultist try to convince everyone that he is the new attuned

[timber glacier]

Also partially related I do wonder how like permafrost would really think about cal clone if they interacted and vice vers, like would he be nice to her or what

[vivid cloud]

He'd be disgusted not at her, but at Draedon.

He might also get a bit of flashbacks from Calamitas herself.

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas busts down the door to the lab.
"Alright, faker, I'm here to get yo-"
Looks at a tiny version of Yharon.
"Did somebody install BonziBuddy onto him or something?"

[west plume]

yharon would not let a tiny version of himself slide

[timber glacier]

I kind of now want to see like a drawing where its calamitas' family portrait and its calamitas, cal clone, cataclysm catastrophe and permafrost all together like that would be very cute

Wait hear me out calamity should add a boss thats a failed yharon clone trust itd be really cool

[vivid cloud]

I didn't even know what BonziBuddy was.
Apparently, it's a virtual assistance program available from 1999 to 2004.
(That is OLD)

[wanton pendant]

"Me, dad, my clone, and the puppeted corpses of my dead brothers who I still cling to the memory of as one of my many unhealthy coping mechanisms."

[timber glacier]

and sepulchure is also there as the family dog

[west plume]

me, my illegitimate sister, my two unfeeling rotting corpses that i exhumed and an old guy i found at the empire

[vivid cloud]

"Isn't that sweet of them?"

I feel bad for her, to be honest.

She sounds very, very....uh...
She needs help.

[west plume]

a lil bit

[timber glacier]

Calamitas has so much trauma like oh my gosh

[leaden bridge]

She killed people yeah that happens when you do that

[timber glacier]

Calamity should add a therapist npc who will help her go through her trauma

[bronze lynx]

permafrost dealing with yharim and calamitas feels like an old man adopting wild animals every other day

[wanton pendant]

Yharim should have a drop where it's a picture of him and Calamitas captioned 'Taking her to destroy the heretics!'

[heavy sail]

she deserves a hug and 25 years of therapy

the hug should be from her dad

[vivid cloud]

I'd like to see the therapist who can put up with the things she's gonna say.

[vivid cloud]

How wholesome.

[leaden bridge]

I don't know if there's therapy for child genociders

Where do u even start

[vivid cloud]

Yeah.
Only bad guy containment.

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if yharim does feel any regret for like doing what he did to calamitas or if he doesn't care and thinks he was completely justified with it

[leaden bridge]

Hi yes I was a child soldier
"okay"
I also burned down an entire civilization over the grueling slow course of a week
"so my rate is like"

[heavy sail]

he's like a magnet for terrifyingly powerful individuals. he's the ice to their firey wrath

[vivid cloud]

I'm positive he feels regret.
You saw the lore item?
"Please, if you would...show her respect where I did not."

[wanton pendant]

He thinks that maybe he went a little too far.
Should have waited for her to be an adult first, surely Permafrost would have been cool with it then!

[west plume]

he has extreme regret but he viewed it as necessary for his goals

[vivid cloud]

😂

[vivid cloud]

Makes sense.

[timber glacier]

I do think like basically every character in calamity would probbly benefit greatly from theraphy except like draedon

[west plume]

yharim kinda just shuts off his conscience whenever he gets conflicted

its why when he found out he couldnt beat xeroc he just entered a state of clinical depression

[agile matrix]

"ends justify the means" but terribly human

-the draedon enjoyer

[wanton pendant]

Yharim glances at the angel on his shoulder.
"Abusing children is wrong!"
Yharim glances at the thirty foot tall dragon on his other shoulder.
"Child labour laws are a myth created by children to get out of work."

[west plume]

'i made so many suffer and starve for nothing at all...'

he was able to ignore that by promising himself a godless future

[vivid cloud]

"If I emulate these 'emotions' of which you speak, can I go home faster?"

[agile matrix]

meanwhile yharon just like "YESSSS YEEESSSIRRRR THEY GOT MOST* THE GODS YEAAAAAAAAAAH"

[bronze lynx]

"man i really checked off everything in the geneva checklist why am i not winning" type shi

[agile matrix]

yharon is comically evil and thats really funny bc his theme is quite uh

[vivid cloud]

XD

[agile matrix]

reflective?

[vivid cloud]

Exactly.

That's why it's so ironic.

[agile matrix]

the adjective form of "that little guy who sits by the king and gives them advice"

[west plume]

Yharon: Come on buddy boy we can squeeze a few more years of action outta you

[agile matrix]

advisory???

adverb but whatever

[vivid cloud]

Polterghast lore: "Yeah, I slaughtered them. They're your problem now. Also, don't do what I did."

[wanton pendant]

Getfixedboi should have the Yharim fight be replaced with an apology video.

[timber glacier]

I do wonder if like yharon was actually like there when like xeroc was ascending with zeratros' soul if like he would have a better understanding of it and like could've turned out different or something

[vivid cloud]

🔥✍️

[west plume]

no

this is a misunderstanding of yharon as a character

what matters to him is he wasnt the one to decide where that auric soul went

[agile matrix]

like
song yharon: "hey man... i know you're gonna keep doing this.. i dont like it but ill be by your side the whole time..."
song yharim: "YEEAHHHHH BABY LOOKAT MY CHAINSAWWWW"
whereas
ingame yharon: "YEAAAAAAAH BABY LOOKAT MY GOD SHREDDER GO FOR THE GOAL I WANNA BE KING AGAIN"
ingame yharim: "this is disgusting. this is horrible. i am barely better than the gods and yet i hold dominion over them solely from strength."

[timber glacier]

okay cool

[vivid cloud]

So what does he think because of that?
I kinda forgot💔

[vivid cloud]

Pretty much.

[agile matrix]

whats the mental thingy where you need scheduling

is that autism

[west plume]

yharon believes xeroc to be the traitor almighty for defiling the sanctity of their perfect ubermensch society

[heavy sail]

executive dysfunction?

[agile matrix]

is yharon autistic. does he have a draconic tantrum when he cant choose what happens

[vivid cloud]

ADHD probably falls into that category.

[west plume]

no, hes just a patriarch

he is a terrible person

[vivid cloud]

Oh, no😭

[bronze lynx]

is yharon racist

[vivid cloud]

"Ubermensch"😂

[agile matrix]

Monstrously racist

[vivid cloud]

Art thou breathing, sir?

[west plume]

racist is kind of an understatement

i think most racists would think yharon goes a little too far

[agile matrix]

he wears racist armor made of speciest(?) ore and hired a dude to be... classist???

three more -ists and he gets a free drink at the "Fuck You I Hate You Die" bar

[timber glacier]

It is kind of funny how are there so many racist characters in calamity, like theres yharon, yharim, old duke, literally auric ore

[vivid cloud]

I could have guessed Unc Duke was racist, but I thought that was him just being a dragon.

[agile matrix]

old duke v. yharon. who's the bigger self-supremacist

[vivid cloud]

True.
Auric ore: "[Player] wasn't worthy"😭

[agile matrix]

champion of the locals v. world champion

ash ketchum v. professor kukui (pokemon sun and moon anime)

i think he's the champion.

i dont remember.

[west plume]

yharon was being racist to offshoots before old duke was even born

[timber glacier]

Red's potion only gives you buffs if your from a fortheworthy world, otherwise it kills you, so it redigit kind of racist

[vivid cloud]

Auric ore: "You ain't an Auric dragon? I'mma BOUNCE YOUR CELLS OFF ONE ANOTHER WHILE YOU'RE STILL ALIVE."

[bronze lynx]

is it possible for a dragon with an auric soul to consume another auric soul or is that just like not possible

[west plume]

see ravager for more information

[vivid cloud]

Does Yharon just hate anything not a dragon or Yharim?

[timber glacier]

specifically only auric dragons and yharim

[west plume]

not necessarily, hes just very opinionated

[vivid cloud]

Actually?
I thought the Ravager was just nasty old meatbag with weapons.

[vivid cloud]

Oh.
Are there any examples? I'm still a bit lost in the lore.

[timber glacier]

generally consuming too many auric souls would potentially have horrible consequences

[raven brook]

yharon probably sees almost all other beings as inferior

to auric dragons

he might not necessarily HATE all of them

[west plume]

yes

[raven brook]

but he does think auric dragons are superior

[timber glacier]

Yharim is fine though he does like him a lot also right

[west plume]

auric dragons are the chosen and everyone else is unchosen

[vivid cloud]

Is Unc Duke an Auric Dragon?
Because the lore tells me two different things.

[raven brook]

no

he's a dragon

[timber glacier]

No he is not

[raven brook]

just not auric

[vivid cloud]

Oh, this makes sense.

[raven brook]

there are plenty of non-auric dragons

[bronze lynx]

you think yharon might like bees just like yharim does

[vivid cloud]

Yea.

[west plume]

this isnt actually true but this is what yharon Thinks

[timber glacier]

Iirc the plan for old dukes lore is that he was like the first dragon born after the last world soul shard was absorbed or something

[raven brook]

old duke in particular is one of the oldest

[vivid cloud]

Yea, but it makes sense that it's what he thinks.

[raven brook]

i think yharon probably even would've had

amiable relationships with ceetain humans

during the draconic era

[west plume]

yeah

[raven brook]

such as certain monks or humans that pay them tribute/worship

but he'd still think of them as inherently lesser than auric dragons

[timber glacier]

Presumably like him and xeroc pre-ascension were friends according to what xeroc says

[vivid cloud]

Wasn't Xeroc a monk at some point before he snorted the shattered pieces of the world soul?

[timber glacier]

he was a monk before he ascended using the auric soul of zeratros

[vivid cloud]

Oh.

[timber glacier]

Also I think were pretty sure Xeroc was attuned with Zeratros as well iirc

[vivid cloud]

That’s why he could ascend so well?

[timber glacier]

No his ascension was a perfect ascension cos he had the terminus not neccesarily because he was attuned

[vivid cloud]

Would Auric Dragons be technically higher or at least on the same level as gods?

[vivid cloud]

Oh. What role did the Terminus play beforehand?
I know that it was placed at the bottom of the abyss, but for what reason?

[timber glacier]

Well like xeroc used it to ascend and then eventually silva got it, and in some way used it to perfectly ascend as well using the auric soul of the dragon of life (For unknown reasons) and then afterwards she hid it at the bottom of the abyss so it would be kept hidden away if I remember correctly

[vivid cloud]

Oh. Interesting.

[timber glacier]

It isn't needed to ascend entirely, but it is needed for a a perfect ascension where the domain does not change between the dragon and god's domains

[silent warren]

I'm imagining that when used to ascend the dragon's soul gets absorbed into the eye of the Terminus and then the essence from it goes down into the person ascending's body (like claiming a light of blessing/(spoiler) ||recieving a Sage's Vow|| in TotK)

[timber glacier]

It might but seemingly like if I understand it the terminus kind of made the ascension I guess more stable so its role in the ritual was likely something where it generally made the transfer of the auric soul more controlled or something idk

[stark flame]

Who wrote Embers?
When will the other side stories be updated?

[sinful adder]

Probably never?

Cei wrote them I think

[stark flame]

why

[manic coral]

because i, who was making them, don't work on the mod anymore

[buoyant bloom]

Oh shit

[raven brook]

Wdym by that?

[buoyant bloom]

How much devourer could a devourer of gods gods if a devourer of gods could gods devourer

[timber glacier]

22

[buoyant bloom]

I thought so

Thank you

What’s an agnus and how is it calamity mod Jesus 🤨🧐

[timber glacier]

agnus was the god of sacrifice, he absorbed the dragon of death's soul, but yharim eventually killed agnus but he eventually came back as ravager as undead and became the god of blood

Agnus was also seemingly very kind and stuff

[buoyant bloom]

Ohhh that’s cool

[light linden]

@buoyant bloom

crap

left the ping on

sorry

[buoyant bloom]

That’s actually so awesome

[light linden]

@buoyant bloom this too

[plucky juniper]

eyo

[light linden]

SORRY

[plucky juniper]

tis fine man

have this

[buoyant bloom]

Woahhhhh

[balmy glacier]

🧡 🧡 🧡 🧡 🧡

[wheat walrus]

Eldritch abomination

It BEGS to be taken down in 1 fell swoop

[stoic gulch]

What’s plant lore in cal

Like dayblooms and such

[timber glacier]

Probably just some funky herbs

[vivid cloud]

AKIRA!

[vivid cloud]

He became a god by absorbing the Dragon of Death’s soul, or did he do that after?
Also, did he later become insane?

[wanton pendant]

Absorbing dragon souls makes you a god.

[timber glacier]

He became a god by absorbing the soul yes thats how god in calamity are made since the ascensions use a dragons soul

[wanton pendant]

He couldn't be a god before doing that.

[vivid cloud]

Oh, yeah.

[low socket]

how yharon was borned?

[wanton pendant]

Egg.

[low socket]

okay but how was the egg borned?

[wanton pendant]

From his parents.

[vivid cloud]

Did he ever become insane?

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

[timber glacier]

I don’t believe like he was particularly insane

[wanton pendant]

It was the Necromancy that did that.

[timber glacier]

Like when he was revived as ravager he did become like a killing monster

[vivid cloud]

That’s what I thought, ok.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[timber glacier]

necromancy in calamity does not result in the revived entity really having any thoughts ans stuff and only their instincts remain as well as maybe like the want to kill but I don’t fully remember

[vivid cloud]

Ok.

[wanton pendant]

Necromancy is less raising the dead and moreso raising the dead's corpse in Calamity. Even the best necromancer we know of, Calamitas, is only able to bring back a miniscule amount of the intelligence of her brothers, their protective instincts. Necromantic creations aren't sapient, and even at the best of times barely sentient.

[low socket]

who are the parents?

[wanton pendant]

Dragons.

Safe to assume a male and a female one.

Certainly dead.

Not at the time, but by now they should be.

[magic epoch]

he's batman

[pulsar ocean]

yha

[fierce pagoda]

Xeroc better count his days

[stark flame]

What's the name of THE DRAGON OF FROST?

[magic epoch]

do we know

[stark flame]

Will there be additional lore for THE DRAGON OF FROST in the game in the future?

[magic epoch]

not all of the dragons have names at this point

[magic epoch]

Probably

[leaden bridge]

He's actually still alive and hiding as permafrost

fact checke

[pulsar ocean]

can homelander beat calamity mod

[wanton pendant]

No.

[pulsar ocean]

where does he stop

[wanton pendant]

Brain of Cthulhu.

[pulsar ocean]

idk looks pretty squishy

[wanton pendant]

It has a shield.

[pulsar ocean]

i guess bro i havent tried the boc revamp i have been burnt out of terraria

[magic epoch]

At max he gets to ceaseless void

[wanton pendant]

Very generous.

[magic epoch]

He won't be able to figure out how to beat it (destroying the dark energies) before it's too late, if at all

[magic epoch]

Yes but that's the first one where I know his stupidity would get him killed

[wanton pendant]

That's why I think he loses to Brain.
Won't figure out the weakness.

[magic epoch]

Which is why I said at max

He also would lose to the exo mechs due to Thanatos, as it's literally stated to have its weakness be hidden until it's too late for the target

[wanton pendant]

I think the main reason he would lose is because the Exo Mechs would just kill him.

[magic epoch]

Yes, but I don't really know his feats very well, so I'm giving him literally the biggest benefit of the doubt

I know he's a dumbass and basically a knockoff superman

[crude musk]

Surely the terrarian is much stronger by that point

[magic epoch]

And I'm saying with certainty what I would know he loses to

[magic epoch]

I don't see how that's relevant

[crude musk]

Well they're pretty evenly matched with the exos

[magic epoch]

We're not even talking about the terrarian

[pulsar ocean]

i think he just gets overpowered at exos

[magic epoch]

Homelander wouldn't get stronger through the majority of the bosses as he doesn't know how to utilize 99% of the things he unlocks

[pulsar ocean]

he'd think going mining is stupid

[vivid cloud]

Power scaling gets much worse with Wrath of the Gods.

[wanton pendant]

Not really.

Nameless Deity is just omnipotent presmably.

So that's really easy to calculate.

[meager prism]

Azafure was destroyed as a result of a young calamitas trying to defend it from brimmy right?

[wanton pendant]

Well that was part of it.

The other part was the aformentioned killer embodiment of heat deciding that it did not like the fact the city existed anymore.

[vivid cloud]

Yeah, but I mean the fact that we can even fight him and "win".

[wanton pendant]

It was a test.

You cannot surpass omnipotence.

[vivid cloud]

Yea, that's why I put win in quotation marks.

[wanton pendant]

So it doesn't really affect powerscaling.

[zenith geode]

nameless scales as high as capital g God from hit book Bible due to also being a creator deity and thats literally all you get

[vivid cloud]

Actually yeah, you right.

[vivid cloud]

I was talking about us fighting him but yeah.
Powerscaling doesn't apply on us either.

[pulsar ocean]

what if im omni man

[wanton pendant]

Omni-Man? More like Omni-Fraud.

[broken surge]

Does anyone have a yt vid that actually explains the lore as of now and is wotg canon

[vivid cloud]

Wrath of the Gods is not canon.

[pulsar ocean]

no addons are canon except the music mod

[vivid cloud]

Yep.

[broken surge]

Aw man why, its so cool

[pulsar ocean]

different creators

[broken surge]

Have they thought of collaborating

Why dont they do that?

[vivid cloud]

It's cool, definitely.

[mighty zenith]

wrath of the gods is gonna become independent from calamity regardless

[zenith geode]

"why is the completely unrelated standalone mod not canon to calamity"

[broken surge]

Im talking about wotg

[mighty zenith]

plus its story is completely disconnected from calamity's already

[zenith geode]

wotg is its own mod

[broken surge]

They could rewrite the story a bit

[pulsar ocean]

who's gonna make mars

[mighty zenith]

but they dont want to

[zenith geode]

mars is dying

[pulsar ocean]

whaaat

[mighty zenith]

they have an idea for calamity's story and they want to stick with it

[pulsar ocean]

not my boy mars 😭

his fight is so cool

[mighty zenith]

instead of haphazardly including all of the things from another mod

[broken surge]

I dont get why they dont want it, its one of the most popular addons to calamity

[zenith geode]

tldr cal writers are writing calamity not insert addon here

[mighty zenith]

it still exists

you can still play it

but it will remain unofficial

[zenith geode]

the only "official" addon is vcmm and this isnt changing anytime soon

[mighty zenith]

both the wotg devs and calamity's devs will tell you the same thing

[broken surge]

Yeah but if they dont work togheter it might get ruined and unbalanced in future updates thats what im worried about

[mighty zenith]

it wont

[vivid cloud]

What's VCMM?

[zenith geode]

vanilla calamity mod music

[mighty zenith]

because it will be its own mod

not dependant on calamity

[wanton pendant]

It would cause so many issues.

[broken surge]

Like what?

I mean theres issues anyway

[vivid cloud]

Trust the devs.
It's lame to just add other mods onto one.

[zenith geode]

explain the terminus using both cal lore and wotg's function of it

[wanton pendant]

Well for a start the fact that there is a random super powerful person with no origin fighting God that nobody seems to care about except Draedon.

[vivid cloud]

That too.

[wanton pendant]

And also Nameless Deity blatantly copying Xeroc's whole thing.

[vivid cloud]

I'll take a guess and say that's us.

[zenith geode]

nope

solyn

[wanton pendant]

No, Solyn.

[vivid cloud]

Ohhh...

I forgot.

[broken surge]

Ok damn

We still on to that «yharon hatched from his egg due to warmth» thing

?

[wanton pendant]

Including the person in Calamity who is deathly afraid of super powerful people showing up. Who also is now carrying around a magic seed for no reason.

[vivid cloud]

Solyn pissed me off after Moon Lord to be honest.

[zenith geode]

starlit forge creating infinite rollyns is at least explainable through "its a mana solidifier"

[wanton pendant]

That's how eggs work.

[vivid cloud]

Uh, who's that?