lore-discussion

[worthy sierra]

is ilmeris a freshwater inland sea or a saltwater one

like calamitas evaporating the oceans would leave tons of salt deposits and make the sunken sea like EXTREMELY salty

[eager bluff]

inland

[worthy sierra]

but is it dead sea salty or Lake Superior freshwater

[eager bluff]

think for a moment

if it were dead sea salty

would there be a civilization living in it

[raven brook]

i mean its a fantasy setting sure

theres shit living in the sulphur sea

but iether way illmeris is closer to being brackish iirc

[plucky juniper]

the salt is concentrated in the sea prisms clearly

[hollow pivot]

Do you think Sea Prisms were tasty prior to the electrocution?

[raven brook]

theyre rocks

[hollow pivot]

Bro tell me this doesn't look like candy.

[raven brook]

that looks like rocks

[real glen]

Glowing rock

Blue uranium

[hollow pivot]

Dude I would definitely consume Bluranium.

[rain osprey]

rock candy

[hollow pivot]

I think that's what it's called.

[lucid wigeon]

Plutonium

[hollow pivot]

Blutonium

[lucid wigeon]

Oh

[scenic olive]

sea salt prism

shocking salt

[split salmon]

who was the goddess who abandoned the lizhahrds?

[wanton pendant]

We don't know for certain.

[wanton pendant]

If it were Dead Sea salt levels, there wouldn't be normal fish living there, because they'd be dead.

[random mulch]

depends on if ilmeris is directly connected to the ocean or if it flows out into the ocean

[wanton pendant]

Also unless the Terrarian is immensely dense, you would float in the water. If you wish to roleplay as someone who is a Tungsten Cube, be my guest.

[random mulch]

i'm talking about just freshwater or salty, dead sea levels of salt would 100% just kill any animal trying to live in it

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's why it's called the Dead Sea. Because it makes you dead.

Clearly, there is a sea with no salt that must be the Alive Sea.

[random mulch]

lake baikal would be the closest thing i guess

or lake superior

lake superior has more surface area but lake baikal has more volume

[sinful adder]

Consider: heavy armor

[wanton pendant]

No.

[random mulch]

fun fact despite the caspian sea being called the caspian "sea", it's actually a lake (though some do consider it a small sea)

[wanton pendant]

Despite being called the Black Sea, it's actually blue. Same with the Red Sea. I think the people naming these seas are colourblind.

[random mulch]

despite the name, lake superior is a bit mediocre

[split mortar]

Yeah and

[raven brook]

of course youd say that

[split mortar]

bruh

[scenic olive]

i headcanon my bones r tungsten

[wanton pendant]

See a doctor.

[long bloom]

@raven brook read my document

[spring helm]

If the pillars (and therefore the pillar fragments) were made by the moon lord during his gauntlet with the auric dragons, why does Astrum Deus drop them as well

[split mortar]

Because farming pillar fragments suck ass

Theres no in universe explanation afaik

[spring helm]

@wheat walrus Kill melongun

[raven brook]

why did you tag omni for that

im right here

killing melongun is my job

even if what they said is entirely and factually true

[spring helm]

It’s because dai and Omni have both decided that doylist explanations are deserving of death

[wheat walrus]

i didnt shlawg

sob

[spring helm]

Yes you did

Yharim told me in a lore item

[wheat walrus]

no i was arguing with daichin that doylist explanations can be cool since i like seeing the thought process behind things 😭

[spring helm]

Oh

[wheat walrus]

now, i do think that slapping a doylist answer on things like that is boring that's true

but sometimes looking at things from a dev perspective is just cool™

funny that this is a topic herenow bc calamity mod does,,,or did, have a dev statement problem

dunno if it does now i havent kept up ✌️

[raven brook]

But the thing is there isn't a not doylist answer

atleast in this case

if you want to come up with a headcanon go ahead but this is entirely a gameplay thing which all things considered will probably be removed eventually

people gotta accept not everything will or should have a canon answer cuz thats honestly lame asf

"how does this random specific item work" "does (super specific question)"

just ocme up wtih headcanons u dont gotta ask for a canon answer nor will there probably ever be one

and thats a good thing

[wheat walrus]

the nefarious paradox

byea true

[wheat walrus]

this is like whatever

[raven brook]

this is the way of saying "there isnt a canon answer"

melon even added that afterwards

[split mortar]

How is this a paradox

[raven brook]

ive seen some funny haha lore tooltips made for things like copper shortsword or iron hammer but thats unironically a good example of why giving every little thing ever lore or a explanation is a bad thing

and when everything has lore relevance.... nothing will

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-incredibles-and-when-everyone-is-super-no-one-will-be-gif-3791257052170976251

[dusk laurel]

😢

[split mortar]

Fucking
Copper shortsword and iron hamemr??????

[raven brook]

yeah i think its for ccr

gives every fuckin item ever lore tooltips

[split mortar]

Ah

[raven brook]

idrm who posted it but i think it was ender

[split mortar]

Ah yeah i remember

[raven brook]

its joke shitpost haha but its genuinely a good exercise on why there si such a thing as too much info and too many explanations

[long bloom]

twas ender

[leaden bridge]

i hatewhen people dont acknowledge this

[leaden bridge]

only weapons because im lazy 💔 maybe ill do accs some day,...,. it is mostly a parody of mods doing shift to lore (funnily enough my mind was mainly in awakened light, a now dead continuation of aa) because it adds its own lore items but also gives shift to lores to a bunch of random crap. then i found out brainstorm had the bunch of shift to lores 🥀

[wanton pendant]

Here, I'll come up with a lore justification:
While in space (where the Moon Lord is), Astrum Deus accidentally ingested some trace amounts of the pillars' power (also in space with the Moon Lord) and that's why it drops them.

I expect Ozzatron to send me 5,000 Yharimbucks for this.

[raven brook]

I like the legendary item lore bits, i think using them as a way to give a bit of insihgt in their associated characters is cute

I'm alot more mixed on the, others though, for reasons ive explained before

not a particularlt big fan ..

Stip said he'd like to change them around but don't quote me on that

[limpid saddle]

hello loreheads

[leaden bridge]

its also important i expanded remix lore

[limpid saddle]

how are we this afternoon

[raven brook]

hi three gs

[leaden bridge]

the smith corporation will be KEY for the stock market mechanic its adding

[long bloom]

it is 9 am

[raven brook]

i wrote a bucnh of stuff for my personal project earlier it was fun

[limpid saddle]

time zones

[long bloom]

who

[limpid saddle]

thats nice

[raven brook]

are we gonna be able to inflate the economy and cause stock market collapse

[wheat walrus]

Ok not a paradox

[wanton pendant]

Will Calamity Community Remix explain why Terraria is named Terraria, despite this being BLATANT plagiarism of the video game Terraria?

[wheat walrus]

More like false sense of choice

[split mortar]

Doing alright, reading cheeses thingy was fun and im brainstorming smth

[wheat walrus]

😭

[split mortar]

Whaur

[long bloom]

@leaden bridge confirm

[wanton pendant]

Brainstorming?
I think I like that name.

[wheat walrus]

Bro okay

[leaden bridge]

it already does actually

the planet was named ferraria but then yharim got bored and used the terminus to rename it

[wheat walrus]

Yes i wasnt against that

[leaden bridge]

heres the extract where that happens

[long bloom]

i think that's basically what happened

[raven brook]

It's Xerocin' Time

[leaden bridge]

this was written in 2023 fyi

[wheat walrus]

is this fandom wiki lore in the big 26

[leaden bridge]

it's expanded from the one that was in the fandom wiki. i don't know if anyone ever bothered to update the fandom wiki with it

[wheat walrus]

oh my gog

[long bloom]

you should implement all total calamity lore into ccr imo

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-old-90s-only-kids-gif-7370938

[wheat walrus]

what if we raided fandom wiki but instead of unfunny memes we added unfun dev statements

[raven brook]

was total calamiry the one with ira sanguinos

and like 3 different slime gods

[long bloom]

yeah

[leaden bridge]

Yea

[wheat walrus]

Not that one

[wanton pendant]

I believe so.

[wheat walrus]

Wait yea

Ira is drom tbat

[long bloom]

goozma looked like a metroid boss

[raven brook]

its wild how they managed to make calamitas's supposed real name edgier than calamitas itself

[wanton pendant]

Will Calamity Community Remix acknowledge Xeroc's identical twin brother, Nameless Deity of Light?

[wheat walrus]

But the thing ender brought isnt total calamity

just fandom wiki like the old one

[raven brook]

dont worry my name isnt the killer

[long bloom]

omni

[raven brook]

its the ultimate malevolent murderer

the killer is just a title

[leaden bridge]

already does

fanny is their son

[wanton pendant]

I mean how like, everytime Nameless Deity of Light goes out in public people go up to them and say "Yo, Xeroc, how's it going!" and I feel like they may develop like, a complex or something for being mistaken for the more famous one, like, unable to really make an impact of their own, even though they have their own successful career as a deity.

[light linden]

@cosmic zenithgot a moment?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

is a reason why as to why draedon's war machines are so effective is because he doesn't have any morality limiting their design?

[cosmic zenith]

That's far from the main factor, but arguably, it opens up a few research possibilities

[pulsar ocean]

would draedon be good at hoi4

[terse moss]

He is also just goated

[compact ridge]

Eatid the Moonlord legs where else would they go

Trust

[dense lynx]

So what kind of threat was Moon Lord in it's prime form?

[split mortar]

Only second to Xeroc
If it was not dealt with then the world would likely end

[dense lynx]

So it was world wide threat?

[split mortar]

Yeah seems so

[long scaffold]

because F*bs*l didn't want to grind pillars

[dense lynx]

Also is it known that we don't know who actually woke Brimstone Elemental

Cause tooltip in that item is most likely Yharim lying to Calamitas

[wanton pendant]

We don't. Yharim tells Calamitas it was Otonilou to make her want to attack Ilmeris.
He admits to the player that nobody knows what actually happened.

'It was never clear why her slumber ended. At first it was a stir. The people were cautiously optimistic.'

[dense lynx]

Well my canon it was character from other mod

[wanton pendant]

How could it be a character from another mod if they don't exist.

[dense lynx]

It's my canon

[wanton pendant]

I am not familiar with your fanfiction.

[dense lynx]

It's Infernon from Spirits mod

[wanton pendant]

I am not familiar.

[dense lynx]

Like it is my canon to mix other mods to each other, but most logical way

Examble. Grand Thunder Birds are vultures that have obtained some of power from charged Sea Prisms

[wanton pendant]

That would be fanfiction, not canon.

I hear it's a big industry. Not one that makes money, I've got the boys back in the lab trying to figure that one out.

[smoky scarab]

question for lore ppl
how long was permafrost sealed away for?

[wanton pendant]

Around 12 years.

[smoky scarab]

thanks

[wanton pendant]

Any other questions? Our industry is drying up. We can't tell you Yharim's birthday, don't ask for that.

[smoky scarab]

no

[wanton pendant]

Damn it, now the lore people will starve.

[smoky scarab]

tragic

[glacial rampart]

Does everything you say have to be a one liner

[wanton pendant]

No, I have two liners too.

[smoky scarab]

?

[smoky scarab]

ok genuinely i have another question
did permafrost want to escape from cryogen or

at any point?

or hoping that someone would free him

[wanton pendant]

It is entirely possible Cryogen was a mutually agreed upon plan.

And as such Permafrost allowed himself to remain trapped.

We don't know if he would have been able to release himself, however.

Considering that freeing him means that Yharim knows he is alive, it makes sense why he wouldn't just entomb himself again if that was the case.

[smoky scarab]

and i assume cryogen attacks the terrarian to stop them from freeing permafrost and putting him at risk

[wanton pendant]

Probably. Or it could be to deter anyone from accidentally releasing Permafrost before presumably whenever Calamitas intended him to be freed.

Which, for the sake of argument, was probably after Yharim had died or she could ensure he would no longer be a threat to him.

[smoky scarab]

i see

[wanton pendant]

Obviously, Cryogen's defences would be no threat to herself.

[smoky scarab]

nope lol

[wanton pendant]

And prevent a random Yharim soldier from accidentally busting him out.

[austere frigate]

why are we doing this? why is the terrarian doing all of this? do we have at least something to know about the terrarians motivations?

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian is you.

Someone get the image.

[austere frigate]

ok but still, why?

[wanton pendant]

Because the Terrarian is you!

[austere frigate]

you know when someone has a pic like this means that this is not a new question and people hates it

[wanton pendant]

It is not.

Other not new questions have a FAQ for them.

[austere frigate]

is there any like

[long bloom]

any what

[austere frigate]

Lore built up so far? I mean, something to read to understand it, and not just the bits of lore that each boss and progression in the game gives us?

[wanton pendant]

Have I got the thing for you.

[austere frigate]

like, some google doc or something like that

[long bloom]

we've compiled a document of all currently available lore

second pin

fact checked by writers also

[austere frigate]

another thing

how do you guys know how yharim looks like?

[long bloom]

?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim has concept art.

[long bloom]

and is on the title screen

[smoky scarab]

does the cryo key spawn naturally anywhere in the ice biome? im pretty sure it doesnt

[long bloom]

it's crafted

[wanton pendant]

I believe it's only crafted.

[smoky scarab]

thought so

thanks

[wanton pendant]

Check under Calamitas' doormat though, it might be there.

[smoky scarab]

[austere frigate]

I just defeated yharon and

dude bosses loot is trash

[long bloom]

nah dragon's breath is peak

[austere frigate]

atleast for ranger

wdym some guy gets some cool shit called dragon breath and I get some bs called chicken cannon

[long bloom]

chicken cannon is very good

but also very lame

[austere frigate]

ok so

are we going to fight xeroc in the future?

[wanton pendant]

Maybe.

You won't kill him though.

[austere frigate]

or he is not planned to be a boss?

[austere frigate]

I mean

bosses dont actually die either

I mean yeah but

[wanton pendant]

They do, except Calamitas.

And Brimstone Elemental and Anahita.

[raven brook]

boss respawning isnt canon

save for few exceptions

[austere frigate]

what about yharon

his whole gimmick is about rebirth

[raven brook]

will rebirth eventually but not in short enough of a time where you could refight it

it tkaes a while

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Yharon will get better.

It takes ten years.

[austere frigate]

he/she is a phoenix after all

[austere frigate]

damn

[wanton pendant]

Yharon is a man.

[raven brook]

yharon's a he

[wanton pendant]

Just like his bro, Yharim.

Which is totally platonic, trust me.

[dusk laurel]

what if we put wwg in the hyperbolic time chamber

[austere frigate]

the god of war?

[wanton pendant]

That guy is now a big chunk of the Perforators.

[austere frigate]

lmao sorry is just funny as fuck

[raw nest]

Is it canon that if you rematch Calamitas and if you lose she just straight up kills you

[austere frigate]

you fighting all this deitys and cosmic beings and then you hear ZEUUUUS

[wanton pendant]

Oopsie daisy.

[wanton pendant]

Wrong God of War.

And currently, you fight his corpse well before those.

Not in the future, you'll have fought gods before getting to his body.

[raw nest]

There goes the only hope to beat Yharim… 😬

[austere frigate]

btw

why dog talks but yharim doesnt?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim does talk.

[austere frigate]

yharon*

[wanton pendant]

Yharon can't speak human languages.

Because he doesn't have a human mouth.

[austere frigate]

dog either?

[wanton pendant]

He can use telepathy with Yharim though.

DoG can speak.

How?
Don't really know.

His biology is probably unrecognizable to anything we would know.

[young socket]

imo dog can either produce soundwaves or use telepathy

[austere frigate]

cosmic serpent

[wanton pendant]

I don't believe he's called that anymore.

Given that he has nothing to do with space.

[austere frigate]

...

whos noxus?

[wanton pendant]

A thing.

From the Distortion.

Probably DoG's boss.

[light linden]

still think tying the moon lord to the distortion makes the world feel so much smaller and I hate it

[raven brook]

idrc much about it because we go from like

having, three space things

to two

there generally just isnt much of anything goin on in canon calamity spcae content

[light linden]

tbf there's only one space thing with any lore in game

[raven brook]

idt moon lord being from space or not would change that much

[young socket]

its like looking at the evil slimes and thinking "damn they made the world so much smaller by tying them to the slime god" and then ignoring the non slime god slimes

[light linden]

well the slimes were around before the slime god

[raven brook]

i think getting more space content would be cool, though

[light linden]

I still want the martians to get a pinch more content and/or an npc

[raven brook]

i also think ml being from the distortion is pretty beneficial narratively when you look at it from the angle of noxus's threat and xeroc's characterization

[light linden]

I feel like making their event get an upgrade early post-ml akin to what the goblin army gets in early hardmode would be cool

[raven brook]

thatd be neat

[dusk laurel]

this would work if martian madness wasnt ass

[light linden]

also it'd help there be more non boss content post-ml

[light linden]

what do you dislike about it?

for me it's them being tied to towns

[dusk laurel]

its just a projectile spam event and you get nuked every like minute if youre unprepared and the only interesting enemy are the saucers since they actually do something

[light linden]

tbf that can likely be changed

[dusk laurel]

but i do agree martians should get some more content

[light linden]

funnily enough

I think a lot of weaker points in the lore could be solved by adding an npc

be it a visiting or permanent one

still think that a travelling priest for a god still alive in lore but not in game as a visiting npc is a good idea

since outside of gods directly tied to a location or boss we don't get much info about them

[wanton pendant]

Also how Martian Saucers are the literal only thing worth fighting.

[light linden]

tbf calamity does try to rectify this by making the wingman and shock grenades

[light linden]

it's supposed to be a planetary invasion, why are they rushing the population centers protected by someone who regularly fights things they'd struggle to beat and not either trying to set up a ground base or simply attacking that person on their own?

for the goblin and pirate invasions it makes sense

they want to pillage

but for the martians it's just wasting resources

[dusk laurel]

vanilla terraria

[light linden]

no no I meant in this

iirc the vanilla martians don't have any lore

tmk their lore in this is that they want a new home desperately

[dusk laurel]

mhm, but martians are a vanilla event, so calamity hasnt altered any of the code like where the enemies spawn and well what the enemies do, so unless they change the whole event it could just be chalked to a gameplay instance

[eager bluff]

they do

iirc its just they've taken over a bunch of other planets and also that they like nikola tesla

[pastel bay]

I like the idea that Martians are unexplained.

Like, yeah theres little grey critters that show up from the sky sometimes just happens

[light linden]

I think it's fine to a point but uh

I could see 2 characters who would be directly interested in them

yharon because they came from a world that might have an unbroken world soul (he likely wouldn't know it never had one)

and draedon because they already have dramatically better space travel tech than he does

unironically I could see the martians becoming draedon's next "partner"

they give him space travel tech, he either tries to find a new place for them to settle or help them improve their planet

it seems like a fair deal on the surface at least

[thick slate]

why are they grey

[long bloom]

because they need to be repaired

[pulsar ocean]

I didn’t get the reference

[simple tangle]

wtf is that

[robust osprey]

jjared

[sinful adder]

wait maxie, where are those lyrics in your status from? I KNOW I've heard them before but I can't remember where, just that its some kind of deltarune cover

[robust osprey]

yup

the world revolving

[sinful adder]

yeah but which cover

[robust osprey]

from moti

[sinful adder]

ah

I've never liked the singing in his stuff but I think I heard them in someone else's cover before

anyways

ralsei horse

[robust osprey]

sstop leaking pictures of me

[simple tangle]

moti is rly funny

i used to think it was tuff way back

now i listen to it and

hm.

[sinful adder]

I think they (like most people who make musicals) have zero concept of making lyrics match the music, and of being in tune

[real glen]

horse

[timber glacier]

How does Slime God have both a crimson and corruption paladin if most worlds only have one or the other?

[robust osprey]

tthat is mostly gameplay

in lore there are bboth

[hollow pivot]

So the infected sky island is also gameplay and non-canon?

[timber glacier]

Oh i guess there is the evil island

[robust osprey]

ig

[light linden]

it's gonna be changed eventually iirc

[timber glacier]

Also is there any reason why curently defeating the perforators/hive mind allows for the mining of aerialite ore

[light linden]

also gonna be changed

them and dragonfolly are gonna swap

[timber glacier]

Cool, it was really odd that they unlocked it

[long bloom]

something something released god essence

byeah it's getting changed

[timber glacier]

On a similar note is the an in lore reason for the mech bosses creating the hardmode ores and hallowed ores on their defeat

[long bloom]

no

[robust osprey]

wasn't it like souls going into rrock

or ssomethign

[leaden bridge]

Draedon who had mythril/orichalcum anyways: yup

[long bloom]

horse

[plucky juniper]

i dunno man

i think my (outdated) headcanon that him being the leader of an armada of aliens who each lost their worlds to the astral infection rounded out his place better

not that the idea of ml being a distortion being is unsalvageable no you can absolutely do something interesting with that

[agile matrix]

what place inspired yharon and yharims name again

i forgot but its dark souls i think

[plucky juniper]

i mean

to be fair

theres a guy named yhorm in dark souls

but im pretty sure the actual inspiration is yharnam from bloodborne

[agile matrix]

thats it thanks

[robust osprey]

yhorm the castaway...

[agile matrix]

i know nothing of bloodborne but ive heard its at least somewhat good

at least 5/10, lilely more

[sharp pulsar]

What does the “left alone” of the brimstone boss means?

[sinful adder]

It doesn't really mean anything because the name is from before the lore was changed

Same with all the song names

[sharp pulsar]

Ooooo

[limpid saddle]

in old lore the brimstone elemental was essentially a guardian angel for Azafure that Calamitas destroyed because in old lore she was evil and aura-farmed and that was kind of it

& the song is about how sad the Brimstone Elemental is her friends are all dead

thats the explanation for it but none of its relevant to the current continuity of Calamity

The only reason it hasn't been replaced by something that sounds and is more thematically appropriate is because the devs fear a community hissyfit from removing a Dokuro track from the OST

[wanton pendant]

Virtually all song names have no lore meaning due to being outdated.
You'd have to look at titles from after the rewrite (around 2023), and I don't think any were made that have some critical narrative insight.

[paper latch]

slime god dies with queen slime right?

i actually hate slime god's lore

i hope it gets rewritten

how is it a god tho? Goozma is a god

not that

[split mortar]

this is a quick patch because they could not move slimegod post queenslime due to fabsol
slimegod is possibly gonna swap with calclone and so that lore will be changed

[split mortar]

goozma is not canon

[paper latch]

i meant addon goozma

i just compared

im a little surprised canon goozma got removed tho

[paper latch]

even post queen slime its a little dumb

its labeled God

[split mortar]

gods are people who ascended by eating an auric dragons soul, gods vary very wildly in strength with slimegod being among the weakest

[paper latch]

i get its one of the first bosses but fabsol is gone now

[paper latch]

wouldnt being a god having omnipotent powers

[split mortar]

no??????

[paper latch]

even after consuming an auric soul, it doesnt mean that he would become a God

just became stronger

[paper latch]

*or just being powerful i went a little far

[split mortar]

cal gods are more like greek gods where they just have control over a certain thing not like the biblical omnipotent god

[paper latch]

hm

i see, one sec

although greek gods are more or less of the same level with a few exceptions, there isnt one thats extremely weak such as slime god

[split mortar]

and slime god is the weakest known god, makes sense since it ate the dragon of being a fat fuck (gluttony) and actively starves itself going against its own nature so its especially weak

[wanton pendant]

There are minor gods in Greek mythology.

[paper latch]

like, if it was post plantera OK

[wanton pendant]

There are even ones who just straight up can die normally.

[paper latch]

ah

[paper latch]

Ah!

wait is that canon

[wanton pendant]

Fairly certain Nymphs are, technically, minor gods in Greek mythology too.

[split mortar]

theres more gods then just the olympians in greek myth

[split mortar]

slimegod eating the dragon of gluttony and starving itself? yeah

[paper latch]

Ok ok that makes

much more sense

[pearl sonnet]

Sup guys

Nvm wrong server

[wanton pendant]

Hello.

Goodbye.

[paper latch]

so basically he starved himself so much he lost most of his strength

ok yk THAT is interesting

i thought it was just some "god"

like

just the label

[wanton pendant]

God as a term only applies to those who ascended using an Auric Soul.

[split mortar]

nah gods in calamity have a strict definition and slimegod follows that

[paper latch]

made me sound like an atheist dang

what have you made me say

grr

[paper latch]

lwk makes more sense now

[wanton pendant]

By god terms, Slime God is pitifully weak. By regular human terms, he's monstrously powerful.

[paper latch]

hm that is true

just wish the lore item precised that he was the god of gluttony

thats a powerful lore information

i asssuuuume draedon is the one that quotes that?

[wanton pendant]

He's not.

[mighty zenith]

the bestiary implies it

[wanton pendant]

He is the God of Slime.

[paper latch]

o

[paper latch]

oh yea lol

[paper latch]

wait wa

leme read it

[mighty zenith]

yharim probably just doesnt know what dragon the slime god killed

the bestiary capitalizes the word Gluttony

[wanton pendant]

'Despite being a Gluttonous slime, the Slime God forbids itself from growing out of control to maintain the balance of the world. It was still pursued during the Crusade, but it managed to survive through countless strategic retreats. The duty it upholds and the methods it employs are the reason the Onyx Kinsmen worship such a puny deity.'

[mighty zenith]

even john bestiary clowns on it

[split mortar]

gods do not have the same domain as the dragon they ate since the imperfect ritual twists it to something adjacent
slimes are extremely gluttonous so slimegod got that domain and the instincts of a slime to endlessly eat iirc

[paper latch]

id lwk assume that it was just some guy who killed a very hungry dragon

or a slime?

[wanton pendant]

*Except Silva and Xeroc.

[mighty zenith]

guy

[wanton pendant]

It was a guy.

[mighty zenith]

it'd be hard for a slime to do a ritual considering

[wanton pendant]

Slimes aren't intelligent enough to become gods.

[mighty zenith]

well they don't have brains

[split mortar]

those two had the perfect ritual

[paper latch]

ok then some guy who got the auric soul of some hungry ass dragon and became the slime god

[paper latch]

maybe it was a group of people who did the ritual for it idk

[split mortar]

yeah slime god used to be some person and got liquidated, must have been fucking scary becoming sludge

[wanton pendant]

Do slimes have souls?

[split mortar]

theyn are alive

[paper latch]

idk but they are alive

[wanton pendant]

Do microorganisms have souls?

[paper latch]

thats what i originally thought

[split mortar]

why wouldnt they

[mighty zenith]

they jump and they consume whatever they happen to touch

[wanton pendant]

Do viruses have souls, as they're technically not alive?

[paper latch]

i feel really stupid to say that, but idk

[split mortar]

idk

[paper latch]

never asked myself that

honestly it depends on Calamity's depiction of a soul

[mighty zenith]

dragons have souls, humans have souls

[split mortar]

don't think we know enough of souls to tell the exacts of them

[paper latch]

ya but does other things have souls in calamity

[split mortar]

enemies drop souls

[wanton pendant]

Civilian Grinder 3000.

[paper latch]

oh souls of night and light

[mighty zenith]

souls of night and light are especially weird

[split mortar]

souls of light and night and flight

[paper latch]

yea its weird

well wait

[mighty zenith]

flight drops from wyverns which are dragons

[split mortar]

flight being the souls of wyverns

[mighty zenith]

so that makes sense

[paper latch]

those are vanilla items

[split mortar]

oh true

[paper latch]

and vanilla does nooot care abt the lore

[split mortar]

no reason for them to not be canon

[paper latch]

true

[mighty zenith]

calamity does try to fit vanilla things into its lore

unless its smth like the seasonal moons or crossover events

[paper latch]

ye, idk abt souls of night and light, its weird

[split mortar]

i dont see why it is weird, just god essence infected souls

[mighty zenith]

i guess

[paper latch]

yea

[mighty zenith]

though any enemy that is there drops them

so does that mean all enemies have souls?

[paper latch]

ok wait

[mighty zenith]

probably not

[paper latch]

going back to slimes having souls

[split mortar]

yeah because its the super god essence biomes

[paper latch]

if there was a slime in the underground crimson

it WOULD drop a soul

so it means slimes have souls

[mighty zenith]

maybe the souls literally manifest inside the enemies from all the god essence

[wanton pendant]

Wulfrum enemies brought to the Underground infections would also drop souls.

[split mortar]

i see no reason to think living things lack souls

[mighty zenith]

yeah but robots?

[paper latch]

so mayyybe a slime was used to consume the auric soul of the glutonous dragon

or heres smth

[wanton pendant]

No, it doesn't know how.

Because, no brain.

[paper latch]

maybe it was just some guy

[mighty zenith]

an easier explanation would be that only things created by the evil biomes canonically have souls of night and light

[split mortar]

oh true robots weird, though do we know if robots count as alive or not in calamity i forgor

[paper latch]

i mean like

maybe it was used

[wanton pendant]

We know the human Slime God was was balling.

[paper latch]

like other people made it turn into a god

ok wait slime god has a brain

it knows how to flee

[mighty zenith]

the hallowed mechs stand out because they have souls

[split mortar]

theres been old concept art of human slime god

[wanton pendant]

Also, we don't know if you can use the ritual on someone else.

[paper latch]

dang

[wanton pendant]

Or in this case, something.

[paper latch]

ig

[paper latch]

"brain"

like its smart

so actually yk what

no its not a slime

[split mortar]

slimegod is sapient while slimes are barely sentient

[wanton pendant]

Slime God does things with great intention.

[paper latch]

yes

it tries to balance things

[mighty zenith]

it turned into a slime because slimes are like if the concept of gluttony manifested as a creature

they do nothing but eat

[wanton pendant]

To be fair, I don't think they can do much else.

[mighty zenith]

yeah

they exist to eat things

they are literally gluttonous by their very nature

they eat and grow in size endlessly

[paper latch]

slime god is lwk more interesting than i thought

just wish he appeared in the queen slime fight or sum

[wanton pendant]

He's the pink thing inside her.

[paper latch]

so does he just die with her?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[split mortar]

the crystal ball in the centre is prob sg after being eaten by her

[wanton pendant]

R.I.P Slime God.
You were slimy till the end.

[paper latch]

why dont we fight the crystal ball?

[split mortar]

its stuck in there

[paper latch]

yea but killing queen slime would free it

maybe?

[split mortar]

dies when we kill qs

[paper latch]

RIP

how do u guys know all this doe

[paper latch]

like is that mentioned in draedons dialogue

[wanton pendant]

We have a pit we keep the writers in and they scream at us about the sins of Relogic.

[paper latch]

dang

[paper latch]

🔥

[mighty zenith]

we're also massive fucking nerds

[split mortar]

domains matter since they let you use powers relating to the domain without losing mana
so slime god can control slimes without losing energy or providence can spawn fire without using energy because fire turns things to ash and ash is her domain as a few examples

[split mortar]

true

[wanton pendant]

God of Dogma always can dogma all over the place.

With his iconic catchphrase 'It's dogmaing time!'

[paper latch]

‼️ me 2

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/the-binding-of-isaac-repentence-tboi-dogma-boss-gif-5604813749476057586

[split mortar]

also true we have memorised a lot of it

[paper latch]

OMG Isaac reference

i didnt even notice the word dogma

im close to dead god

on my 1st save file

[mighty zenith]

im doing my second dead god

[paper latch]

hax

i might too

[mighty zenith]

im slogging through daily runs

dedication sucks

[paper latch]

im lwk getting used to them

wait that reminds me i gotta do my daily run

other than daily runs im stuck with tainted laz

i died on the megasatan fight with it and now i gotta do an extra run just for it z

Ohhhhhhhhhh lazarus daily :(

even lost is better

[paper latch]

IM FREEEE

[mighty zenith]

nice

[paper latch]

theres also another item iirc

[mighty zenith]

did you do dedication yet?

[paper latch]

its a 7 win streak thing

whats that

[paper latch]

i thought u meant literal dedication

[mighty zenith]

no

its the 31 daily runs

[paper latch]

wait 31 in a row?

[mighty zenith]

no just total

[paper latch]

not yet im far off

[mighty zenith]

you dont have to beat them btw

just start a run and leave

[paper latch]

how can i check my total runs?

[mighty zenith]

stats i think

[paper latch]

sec

[mighty zenith]

nvm

[paper latch]

rip

its likely at like 10

rn i got a streak of 4

[young socket]

isaac discussion

[balmy glacier]

yeah just 24 more runs to waste and then you’re truly free

[jagged mulch]

I can’t believe golf is canonically popular on the continent in calamity smh

[wanton pendant]

It was the epicentre of the Crusade. Clearly Yharim, as the wealthy elite, must have done a lot of golf with his cabinet.

Wait... does this mean... the Golfer... no...

[jagged mulch]

The golfer is actually Yharim in disguise 🥸

[noble falcon]

Yharim had calamitas roast the sunken sea people in order to have a bottomless supply of sand for his Auric Country Club developments

It is due to his efforts that the Aerie now looks like a Sandals resort

[long bloom]

this is completely true and factual

[noble falcon]

Of course, this is a stark contrast to his quarters, which is mostly comprised of his Exo-tech gaming rig and Yharon’s bus-sized bed

His PC could probably be used to invent time travel and he only uses it to play Old One’s Overwatch and Slay The Pillars

[worthy sierra]

do you think they canonically made calamity mod in calamity mod

like someone made a based on a true story game about their world or something and they play it in the exo box

[west plume]

y would u make an Ultra-realism Mode Game about a world that sucks to live in

[eternal veldt]

It would suck to live in calamity but i mean... cool flashing lights though 🙁

Man do i wish i could have the scissor variant of the ark so i can use it in mundane tasks like origami

[wanton pendant]

People make games about having a job all the time.

[west plume]

Call of Duty but you get to enact Century Hitler's bidding and kill the few known remaining gods and also all the interesting indigenous wildlife because you feel like it

[eternal veldt]

You think the ark can do this? @west plume

[wanton pendant]

Sounds like a Paradox Game.

[west plume]

i think it would burn the paper

[eternal veldt]

🙁

[west plume]

you'd need like... exo origami

[eager bluff]

exorigami...

[eternal veldt]

Draedon could make me some 🙂

Like exo metal sheets

[west plume]

i think if you were a close enough associate you could probably just order an exo metal sample sheet

maybe not a whole ton tho

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas tried origami once but all she ended up folding was Amidias' hopes and dreams.

[eternal veldt]

"Alright for this piece of sheets you'd need to fight 13 more of those mechs i just made" 🥀

[eternal veldt]

I already rebuilt the city btw

Took like 3 stacks of dynamite

To clear the desert

[west plume]

For your next 1 square foot sheet I need to implant this bluetooth spine controller in your lower vertebrae and control your legs like you're a mech

You can get control back after 1 hour tho

[wanton pendant]

Like that one game.

[eternal veldt]

Type of shit he would tell you to do ngl... and i would definitely fall for it. Imagine all the origami you could do with those metal sheets!!!

[noble falcon]

Normal origami but it looks like metal

Now, if you hammered some miracle matter really flat, that could probably be something wacky

[sinful adder]

Happy Easter. What's the Lepus lore

[eternal veldt]

I think miracle matter would cause a nuclear explosion if i accidentally dropped it 😭

[sacred pilot]

I know it wouldn't make sense for Calamity but I wish Yharim's theme would be similar to (Shadows of the Erdtree spoilers) ||Promised Consort Radahn phase 1||.

[noble falcon]

Big boy, jump around, he got them eggs

[sacred pilot]

Like for the phase 1.

Make it sound like a heroic and triumphant orchestra, but it would slowly but surely sound more sinister as the battle goes on.

[west plume]

fairy tale for babies

just like ocram

[sinful adder]

Cool

[warm gull]

santa was the god of christmas cheer and then yharim killed him

[noble falcon]

Of course, Santa came back, as he is known to do

In recent years, Yharim attempted to fulfill a similar role to the grinch
He stole Christmas cheer from all the happy mortals, only to see he had been sent a present by a frost legion kid while he was out, a hand-knit sweater replica of his famous armor
That day, his heart only grew like half a size, he’s still evil, but he brought the Christmas stuff back

[sharp pulsar]

what does Yharon has to do with the jungle, or why is he called The Jungle Dragon??

I though he was born in hell and all that

[young socket]

he has nothing to do with the jungle and is not called the jungle dragon

[sharp pulsar]

i guess since the song names has nothing to do with the boss

[split mortar]

Lore rewrite happened after the music video was made so yeah not anymore

[split mortar]

Yharon is normally meant to be born in the aerie

[sharp pulsar]

mmmhm

[split mortar]

The egg was taken out and dropped in lava so how he was reborn this life is not the norm

[light linden]

I mean

he could like the jungle for all we know

we don't really know much about yharon as an individual

something that I hope changes some day

[noble falcon]

I like the idea of Yharim being a washed-up bum and Yharon is just trying to keep him from releasing his gamer rage again

[icy veldt]

Yharon and Yharim would be feeding into each other's gamer-rage

[hollow pivot]

What's the lesson? “Don't take eggs from 7 feet tall rabbits?”

[noble falcon]

Nah, Yharon is the type to lock in and utilize the most advanced game tech and synergy in an honorable way
Yharim would turn on godmode and wall hacks and start hurling all manner of top-tier profanities at you

[wanton pendant]

I mean... not entirely inaccurate I guess?

[raven brook]

i feel like yharom would use the hacks more than yharim if anything i cant lie

[long bloom]

yharom

[wanton pendant]

Yharon demands that all Medic players heal him specifically.

[dusk laurel]

yharon is all abt getting revenge

[west plume]

you have this backwards

[noble falcon]

Oh, my mistake

[west plume]

yharon is basically already using hax irl to his advantage and that's his entire character arc

[noble falcon]

The image of Yharon raging in an Exo-RGB headset is better anyway

[west plume]

he would also do that

[noble falcon]

“No, YOUR mom’s a pigron!”

[wanton pendant]

"Mere humans, outperforming ME!? DRAEDON, GET ME MY HACK CLIENT!"
"Yharim, the dragon is screeching at me."
"He wants a hack client."
"How is he using a computer?"

[west plume]

yharon has thumbs and could just use a really big PC

he's like 10,000 years old so i don't think the concept appeals to him though

[wanton pendant]

"Yharim, I am not going to teach the dragon how to send an E-Mail."

[long bloom]

CANON AGE PUT THAT IN THE DOC /j

[noble falcon]

I mean considering how high-tech auric stuff is in the modern age I’d assume he has a decent understanding of computers

Maybe not great but enough to use them

[west plume]

yharon is less of a regular insult gamer and more the person you learn new racial slurs from on cs2 premiere

[noble falcon]

Oh god, not the long-extinct Draconic swears

[wanton pendant]

Competitive racist, while DoG is merely a racist casual in comparison.

[west plume]

yes!

you get it

[noble falcon]

Man, I’ve had the meme image of Yharim and Yharon backwards this whole time
This is great info though, now we can create new bits

[west plume]

i think your view of yharon is how you should view yharim

[noble falcon]

Good to know

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is smaller, somehow more insane Yharon.

[west plume]

DoG doesn't nearly have the same amount of hatred in his wyrm heart for gods as Yharon has for every god to ever exist. you have to understand this

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm? Ain't he a worm?

[west plume]

misspelling sorry :p

[noble falcon]

He’s angry, we know that much

[spare pier]

DoG can be any limbless creature you want

[noble falcon]

And purple
Can’t forget purple

[wanton pendant]

Would you devour gods if I was a worm?

[noble falcon]

No way
DoG the deep-sea tube worm

[west plume]

probably closer to bobbit

not a very passive feeder

[wanton pendant]

I feel he's more like a vulture.

Waits until someone else does the heavy lifting.

[noble falcon]

I mean he can fly
What else can fly? Birds
Therefore the science checks out

[wanton pendant]

I knew it. DoG is a bird.

[split mortar]

Do jellyfish count as limbless

[west plume]

jellyfish have many appendages

[wanton pendant]

I guess tentacles are technically limbs.

[dusk laurel]

dog is a leech actually

[wanton pendant]

So that's why he can speak!

[noble falcon]

We’re thinking too small
DoG is a slime

[wanton pendant]

Therefore, Slime God solos.

[coarse inlet]

What if DoG is just the friends we made along the way?

[west plume]

DoG would never be your friend

[coarse inlet]

🙁

[noble falcon]

Many many friends piloting a mecha thing like a megazord

[west plume]

i would believe it

[coarse inlet]

Probably for the better though

[wanton pendant]

Could DoG have a friend?
Doubt it.

[noble falcon]

I mean he had the guardian guys
But they dipped so I guess not

[west plume]

DoG could have friends but you'd probably get tired of it by the end of the first month

[wanton pendant]

Cosmic Guardians were some smart worms Yharim paid to keep DoG company or else he'd nibble on his manpower for a snack.

[noble falcon]

Yharim’s queen bee-themed Mastercard declined and that’s why they bounced

[coarse inlet]

His card got hit with the plague

[noble falcon]

Draedon rug-pulled him with his ExoCoin scheme

Draedon would absolutely only use crypto

[wanton pendant]

Don't be silly.

Draedon knows Crypto is a scam.

That's because he invented it.

[raven brook]

DoG is the type of guy to just use whatever slurs are most appropriate towards whoever he's going against just to piss them off, while with Yharon the moment he uses slurs against someone you can tell it's deeply personal and that he has deep hatred in his heart for the minority he's insulting

[wanton pendant]

DoG may have slurs from another dimension, but Yharon invented the slurs.

[split mortar]

Half of the brainstorming yharon and yharim do is about making new slurs for people

[noble falcon]

New April fools update idea
Yharioware
Beat Yharon’s epic microgames

[long bloom]

half of the what

[split mortar]

Die

[wanton pendant]

Burn the village!

[west plume]

What.

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/in-stars-and-time-isat-isat-siffrin-siffrin-in-stars-and-time-siffrin-gif-16558238332494288188

[coarse inlet]

When Yharon saved Yharim, he never talked about the stories of the other dragons. It was all just the slurs

[eager bluff]

epic embed failure mods kill this they

[split mortar]

Whar

[west plume]

Brainstorm

[split mortar]

Ah

[coarse inlet]

I'm also a big fan of green needles

[wanton pendant]

This you?

[coarse inlet]

Yep

[dusk laurel]

pinestorm

[noble falcon]

Who does Yharon main in Marvel Rivals

I would think Iron Fist because he has better air mobility than the flying characters

[wanton pendant]

Is Magneto in the game?

[noble falcon]

Yes

[wanton pendant]

He'd play Magneto.

[noble falcon]

He’s a tank though, does that fit?

[eager bluff]

no i dont think he would

actually maybe

[wanton pendant]

He'd find the elitist victim of genocide relatable.

[noble falcon]

The theming of the character definitely helps but you also have to consider the type of gamer he is
That being very vocally toxic

From what I know about rivals which admittedly isn’t super extensive i don’t think magneto is seen negatively

[wanton pendant]

He'd play 'lore accurate' Magneto.

As in, he'd be really racist.

[noble falcon]

Ok I’m seeing the vision

What with all the deafening roars and infuriated profanities, he’d fit right in with the finest online gaming has to offer

[hollow pivot]

Are the McNuggets canon?

[wanton pendant]

"[Redacted dragon slurs]."
"Dude, is someone letting a pidgeon use the mic?"

[wanton pendant]

Not in the slightest.

[hollow pivot]

Dang, McDonalds ain't canon? 😢

[noble falcon]

It can be
Just build one

[wanton pendant]

Only McYharims.

[hollow pivot]

Then what would McNuggets be?

[wanton pendant]

McAuricNuggets.

[hollow pivot]

You die if you eat them?

[wanton pendant]

All proceeds go to the eradication of the divine.

[wanton pendant]

It's just a brand name.

[noble falcon]

No, you just get a monumentally small power increase per nugget

Legend says, if you eat one million, you become a dragon

[hollow pivot]

Are there pheonixes other than Yharon?

[wanton pendant]

Certainly not in the form of an Auric Dragon.

[noble falcon]

If you name your world Arizona there could be a second

[wanton pendant]

Now, if Yharon had children, it's not out of the question they could resemble those traits.

And an actual phoenix species as a bird, sure, but not something that's shown in-game, so who can say.

[hollow pivot]

I think Akato would be a close design to what it might look like (Yes, I know he's Donor)

[light linden]

unknown

[light linden]

eh

there might've been others

[wanton pendant]

There couldn't be because they'd be dead.

[noble falcon]

Akato refuses to follow his father’s gamer rage footsteps and becomes a vtuber icon

[wanton pendant]

And also Phoenix's are associated with Rebirth.

[hollow pivot]

Yeah there were thousands of Auric dragons, however they are dead.

[wanton pendant]

You know, Yharon's whole thing.

[light linden]

phoenixes are associated with other things too

[wanton pendant]

Wouldn't make sense for the whole Rebirth motif to be on every second dragon.

[hollow pivot]

I dunno, could lean more into the fire thing.

Zaelithar might've been one.

[wanton pendant]

I doubt it.
Phoenixes having fire powers was also a later addition, the original stories if I recall had them be killed by high temperatures.

[light linden]

namely fire, the sun, and wisdom/intelligence

[hollow pivot]

Mind Dragon?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but when people think of Phoenixes, they think of the whole coming back from the dead thing.

Not specifically that it was due to the sun burning them to death.

[light linden]

I can't remember where it came from but I remember something about the intelligence of Phoenixes growing exponentially

[wanton pendant]

It would be very strange to have the 'creature that comes back from the dead' to be on both the literal one guy who can actually raise the dead and then on some other guy.

[light linden]

you're uh

you're thinking that phoenix themed dragons have to come back from the dead

[hollow pivot]

I think you're putting too much emphasis on the revival part, it's definitely an important part of phenoixes but not the entire thing.

[light linden]

there can be multiple auric dragon phoenixes that embody different aspects of mythological phoenixes

[wanton pendant]

It's their entire thing.

[light linden]

also calamity has defied the mold for dragons before

[eager bluff]

when people think of stereotypical phoenixes they think fire and rebirth because in a lot of media thats essentially all they are

[hollow pivot]

Note Fire

[light linden]

tmk chinese style dragons don't typically have lightning wings

[hollow pivot]

Eidolon Wyrms are an example of this. They're a type of wyrm but they not just a large scaley snake.

[eager bluff]

pop culture representations of phoenixes strip away a lot of traits because, well, theres a whole lot of history and mythology to go through to figure out what a phoenix is and a lot of accounts end up being contradictory

[wanton pendant]

The version of the story I read did not give the Pheonix fire powers, it actually was killed by extreme heat, then rose from the ashes.

Of course, this leads to it being associated with fire, because, well, ash.

[hollow pivot]

You're using 1 story?

[eager bluff]

meaning its hard to pin down solid characteristics aside from they have some relation to fire and they rebirth

[wanton pendant]

The story of the Phoenix.

[eager bluff]

yeah there isnt just one

phoenixes arent like

hey theres this One Thing called the phoenix and it Only Shows Up Here

thats like saying the story of the dragon

[hollow pivot]

Pretty much

[eager bluff]

if it was this it would be nowhere near as complicated to figure out aspects of a phoenix

and even if it was just one story there are still a ton of different adaptations and translations and interpretations so it would still be a complicated mess

[wanton pendant]

I meant as in it was a story about what a Phoenix was. I'm not sure if it had a title even.

Like, it wasn't a side character, the entire story was 'there was a Phoenix, it got old and the sun got hot, everything fled but it went outside, got cooked, got better.'

Of course this isn't the only version.

Regardless, it makes no sense from a character design perspective to give aspects that are heavily associated with a specific concept to a character with no relation to it, especially in a case where said concept is quite important.

[plucky juniper]

also freindly reminder that theres a good chance that the phoenix was inspired by this guy

who potentially might have been based off an extinct species of heron

emphasis on POTENTIALLY

[agile matrix]

chud ass bird

[plucky juniper]

but regardless i think making a phoenix based off a heron would be incredible

[agile matrix]

“whats over there….”

[cosmic zenith]

Is that like, Thoth or just
Heron with funny hat

I am not as knowledgeable on Ancient Egyptian mythology and iconography

[raven brook]

"Phoenix" in Yharon's context isn't even a like

classification or species

it's just a cool sounding title that fits him as a cahracter

asking if there are other phoenixes is like asking,

"Are there other minds?" (in the context of hive mind)

[cosmic zenith]

[noble falcon]

Yharon suffered a particularly bad loss in a very heated match of BO3 and that’s why there are no other phoenixes around anymore

[plucky juniper]

Bennu

In Egyptian mythology one of the very first beings, a self-created one

specifically Ra's ba (personality component of the soul)

he's particularly assumed to renew himself periodically, like the sun

[cosmic zenith]

Interesting

[agile matrix]

oh right

[plucky juniper]

which is to say, he might have partly inspired the phoenix

the connection was understood all the way back in the 5th century BC thanks to infamously incorrect historian Herodotus

bennu isnt said to die, only to renew himself like the sun

[light linden]

hey stip do you have time for a question?

[timber glacier]

Okay this is going to be insane but is christianity canon to calamity? Like since theres the cross necklace and cross graves that kind of suggests it would be but like do they count as references and thus are not canon

[noble falcon]

I would very much doubt it, it’s probably just a general anti-evil symbol or magic thing since that’s a big thing they’re associated with

[timber glacier]

Oh also theres Christmas stuff but again its canonicity is questionable

[zenith geode]

santa is noncanon

[noble falcon]

Like hell he is
Yharim wants you to think that because he knows Santa would kick his auric ASS

[latent bolt]

uuurh holiday content isnt canon in general

(wait does that include the Solar Eclipse)

[split mortar]

Solar eclipse enemies are not canon but the event itself is

[cosmic zenith]

Now I do

[cosmic zenith]

Christianity is not canon

It's just the kind of thing that's fundamentally hard to dissociate from western media

[noble falcon]

Coming 2027: The Passion of the Yhar

[leaden bridge]

Christ is canon don't listen to deniers who would deny you the passion of our holy king

[jagged mulch]

One of the developers told me Santa is canon as the god of jollyness

They were likely joking, but take it as you will

[split mortar]

They are since chrimas is why frost moon is not canon and well
Santa is tied to chrimas as well

[jagged mulch]

Where do they say frost moon isn’t canon?

[worthy sierra]

Agnus Immolatus means The Sacrifced Lamb???

Why did they give a god a latin name? I think the lore writers are making ravager's worshippers have a catholic aesthetic

[wanton pendant]

Calamity Jesus has Christian themes? What a suprise.

[worthy sierra]

Real

[wanton pendant]

By the fact that it's a reference to Christmas.

[worthy sierra]

Agnus is pronounced anyoos

[jagged mulch]

So it’s canonically impossible to get the chain gun and razor pine?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, they're not like, canon weapons.
Doesn't really matter all that much.

[jagged mulch]

You need the chain gun for a lot of late game ranger weapons

That just seems really silly

[wanton pendant]

You also need Endothermic Energy which isn't canon either.

It's for gameplay purposes.

Not everything has to have a lore justification.

[jagged mulch]

At this point I want to do a “canon” only run

Anything else I should look out for?

[wanton pendant]

Depends on how 'canon' you want your canon only run.

If you really split hairs you can't even do most bosses since they're meant to be ambushes.

[jagged mulch]

Oh really?

[wanton pendant]

Most boss summons aren't the canonical way the fight starts.

[jagged mulch]

What’s the source of that claim?

• low percent runs exist

[wanton pendant]

Well, why on Earth would Yharon attack you for holding up an egg?
Or the Devourer of Gods for holding up a fake worm?

Why do you have to make an offering at an altar to summon Calamitas?

And so on.

So like, you can fight bosses that spawn naturally, Exo Mechs, and probably a couple others.

[jagged mulch]

Probably because it’s part of the whole “witch aesthetic”

[wanton pendant]

That's why it was done for the gameplay, but she's actually ambushing you narratively.

But it would be awful game design to make the final boss spawn in randomly.

[jagged mulch]

Ignoring boss summoning then because that’s boring

What else?

I could always just edit the video to make it seem like it’s an ambush

I guess I would have to do it in hardcore?

Oh man

[wanton pendant]

So, beyond that, you;

1. Must play in Hardcore.
2. Cannot use donator, developer or reference weapons.

3. Cannot get items from other worlds.

4. Cannot talk to the Guide after reaching Hardmode.

[jagged mulch]

Can’t partake in any reference events

Can’t fight most bosses more then once

[wanton pendant]

5. Yeah, bosses that are not a member of a species or are otherwise available for a rematch can only be fought once.

6. If you kill Queen Slime you can't fight Slime God.

[split mortar]

Kill Queen slime before slime god

[zenith geode]

i'd say santa being tied to the nonexistent in lore coca cola company is the bigger dealbreaker than the bible not being canon

[jagged mulch]

Off the top of my head the only bosses I can think that sastifity that are queen bee and dragonfolly

Maybe slime god before queen slime

You could maybe justify profaned guardians ( providence already brings them back to life in the fight)

[jagged mulch]

Coca Cola didn’t invent Santa

[zenith geode]

the summons in the prov fight aren't the guardians

[jagged mulch]

Oh my bad

[zenith geode]

they may look similar but due to international copyright law they aren't

still, you should fight like they are

though they aren't

[wanton pendant]

I'd argue;
King Slime is just a big slime, no reason there aren't more.
Eye of Cthulhu is a big Demon Eye, surely there are more.
Aquatic Scourge you could MAYBE argue that it might be a species and thus you just kill another, you monster.

The main issue is the ninja in King Slime.

[pulsar ocean]

How’d he get the crown

[wanton pendant]

But sure, maybe a bunch of ninjas tried to hug the slimes.

[zenith geode]

lucky

[wanton pendant]

Everytime you kill a King Slime another big slime takes the crown.

[zenith geode]

king slime has the skill golden rule B, increasing the ability to attract wealth during one's life

even though slimes are only dubiously alive

[wanton pendant]

And maybe Slime God could be refought before fighting Queen Slime if you argue that there's no reason he might not just try again.

And also Calamitas can have a rematch, so you can fight her more than once.

[jagged mulch]

Ya but at that point you have beaten the game

Unless you count boss rush

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, free reign to beat up a recently housed woman.

Xeroc's challenge reasonably can be fought more than once.

So long as you don't die, obviously.

[trim edge]

punishment for not tipping her landlord

[jagged mulch]

I mean, her treasure box has 30 plat

Do you know how long it would take the tax collector to amass that?

If anything, she’s the only one who paid for housing

[wanton pendant]

It only drops 30.
(Her life savings, and the life insurance payout from her brothers.)

[jagged mulch]

That’s still a lot of money

That’s more money that any single npc could reasonably expect to earn, save the goblin and maybe the bandit over the course of an entire play through

[wanton pendant]

Hey, did you think they were only selling to you?

[jagged mulch]

The goblin?

I presume so

Why would npcs need reforges

Welp, see you in a few months when I finish my canon respecting playthrough

Im probably not gonna do it in hardcore doe

I think another rule that might make it borderline impossible is that, if an Npc dies, you can’t talk to them for the rest of the game

[wanton pendant]

I don't think any are needed for progression.

[jagged mulch]

Or do you reckon that some npcs, like the ones who show up, and aren’t say, found via in untying npcs or what not, exist in multitudes and could reasonably move back in

Like, there is one goblin tinkerer in the world, but its reasonable to imagine multiple merchants

[wanton pendant]

I'd argue that they are intended to be individuals, although they aren't the only people with their particular jobs.

[jagged mulch]

Hmm

Well that’s an interesting spin on the challenge

[paper latch]

does the solar eclipse have lore

or is it like

just a solar eclipse

[split mortar]

^
This all we know afaik

[paper latch]

@proven rivet is rainbow rod good

wrong channel mb

[noble falcon]

Oh man I can’t believe all these darksun fragments just appeared out of nowhere, how crazy is that am I right or am I right

[split mortar]

The post dog items wont come from the buffed events in the future

[noble falcon]

Yeah I know it’s just kinda funny

[long bloom]

the event and the fact that monsters spawn is canon, but the specific monsters you see in-game are not canon

[paper latch]

ah

whats its lore?

[long bloom]

it's a solar eclipse and monsters spawn 👍

[eager bluff]

the monsters that spawn are manifestations of subconscious fears