lore-discussion

[robust osprey]

cya

[mighty zenith]

bye bi

[split mortar]

Byeeee

Garbo will you drunk drive over a deer

[mighty zenith]

idk

[cloud ibex]

asgorb

[split mortar]

Omega flowey vs xeroc

[robust osprey]

all I want is Asgore getting aura

chud has NEGATIVE aura

[robust osprey]

the sun actively makes flowey more powerful

[woeful hatch]

Water makes me more powerful too because I use it to survive

And yet I could drown

[robust osprey]

beacuse ur a chud

flowey isnt

you have ONE soul

flowey has 6

checkmate liberals

[wanton pendant]

I have had eight souls surgically added.

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-medic-tf2medic-tf2meet-the-medic-birds-gif-23358692

[robust osprey]

kills 7 of your souls

[wanton pendant]

No, I don't think so. You can certainly have a seat on the board of directors for my soul, though.

[split mortar]

In undertale do any animal have human soul level soul strenght could i eat a bug to become god

[robust osprey]

melon

[wanton pendant]

No, Louie.

[robust osprey]

is a bug a human?

[wanton pendant]

Racist.

[robust osprey]

I don't deny it

[split mortar]

Idk havent checked

[robust osprey]

well NO it ISNT

just like YOU

[split mortar]

I dont trust you

[robust osprey]

ur an alien

[split mortar]

You have wrong vibes

[robust osprey]

I don't believe you're an actual human that exists

[split mortar]

Bet you are lying

[split mortar]

See

[mighty zenith]

wait tru

[worldly spindle]

When is this channel gonna start talking about Hollow Knight lmao

[mighty zenith]

waterwraith is actually just medic

give it time

[split mortar]

Oh does it some times

[split mortar]

Well horrors upon your mind im the easy one of me and my siblings

[worldly spindle]

I can’t wait to unmute this channel once I’m done with Brainstorm

[robust osprey]

😨

[raven brook]

Found any of the new item tooltips yet?

[robust osprey]

I can't believe your family exists

[wanton pendant]

The healing isn't as rewarding as the hurting.

[simple tangle]

Chapter 5 secret boss is Mad Mew Mew spread the word

[crystal pendant]

Im chapter 5 secret boss actually

[pulsar ocean]

Chapter 5 secret boss is gaster since toby fox voices gaster in toy story 5

[crystal pendant]

Tricky tony strikes again…

[cosmic zenith]

Update work is going well

I have to read all these articles for something

[raven brook]

FLAG

Enviroment

National? Nationality? Natisomething

stip research mines

[cedar path]

Is flag for flags or for flagellant

[long bloom]

hort

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

Hello

[long bloom]

you said something about a lore related mod announcement? any news on that

[cosmic zenith]

?

I probably said that I wouldn't reveal anything about the update we're working on right now, and it would likely be revealed in an official message or something like that

That's not to say there will be such message soon, I personally have no idea

For the moment, I'm just keeping it quiet

[long bloom]

hm ok

yeah it was this

wording is slightly confusing but that makes sense yeah

[cosmic zenith]

https://digitalcommons.wcupa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1386&context=all_doctoral

Enjoy reading my biggest source

2025, a recent article

Quite the light read, at 271 pages

[worldly spindle]

Only like one or two. Funnily enough you can read them through the Guide’s crafting advice for weapons you don’t yet have.

[icy veldt]

My theory: Calamity is now a mod for EU5

[raven brook]

Ohh icic

which ones:?

[long bloom]

i'm guessing the dd line and shpc

[worldly spindle]

I donut remember!

I’ll go poking around in my weapons chest for a refresher

[cosmic zenith]

Man
This first article is downright fascinating

I wish I could share but it'd be too revealing

[elder widget]

@manic coral

important to understanding calamity lore

who fw labubu

[raven brook]

Cei retired from the dev team a while ago, if ur not aware

[long bloom]

> a while
like a week and a half

[elder widget]

Oh dear

I was not aware of this

Who do I direct this question towards then

[hollow pivot]

How long ago was Yharim's Crusade in-lore?

[cosmic zenith]

It sorta cooled off in the last decade

[hollow pivot]

Do we have a timespan graph denoting each major point of time?

[plucky juniper]

Flags as symbol of peace

Flags

I bet 2.2 update will relate to yharim s army or something related like azafure

It’s gotta involve a nation or ideology or something

[pulsar ocean]

Yakuza update

[woeful hatch]

Uuuh the lore document in pins has a bit of a timeline of the lore

[hollow pivot]

So are the Perforators and Hive Mind going to be at the same level as the Ravager after the Rework?

[woeful hatch]

Uuuh from what I can remember I think they might be like, right post moonlord ? While ravager is post providence

However the boss order is a bit still subject to change

[hollow pivot]

Perf and Hive are swapping with Dragonfolly progression wise.

[cedar path]

evil2 will swap places with dragonfolly

ravager is post provi

[split mortar]

Dragonfolly aint post providence

[hollow pivot]

So the Ravager will be a tier above the Perf and Hive?

[cedar path]

yes

[hollow pivot]

And the reason why Kratos is weaker than Agnus is Agnus has been able to retain more power?

[hollow pivot]

Or is Kratos just weaker than Agnus fullstop?

[dusk laurel]

what

[hollow pivot]

What part's confusing?

[cedar path]

I assume by kratos you mean the god of war and we don't know much/anything about it

[woeful hatch]

Well first of all, the god of war is not Kratos , we don't know its name yet

Secondly, the crimson is made of remains of VARIOUS gods, not just the god of war. So the perforator hive could be just a bit god of war, and a bit other gods.

Thirdly, the ravager as far as I know not only was entirely agnus, which was already a pretty strong god, but also, there was some magic fuckery from the cultist that was drove crazy by looking into his eye?

[split mortar]

Perfs are dead god of war failing to exist
Ravager is a zombie with absurd power

[hollow pivot]

How is a Zombie stronger than Providence? Is it because she's a weak ah deity and/or she lost quite a bit of power to the Profaned Guardians?

[mighty zenith]

souped up necromancy powers

[split mortar]

Provi is one of the strongest gods

[wanton pendant]

Don't mock my dreams!

[split mortar]

Souped up necromancy that also probably played into agnus sacrifice domain

And also is now blood god somehow

[hollow pivot]

So I assume Bloodstone will become post-Ravager because post-Providence makes no sense?

[wanton pendant]

And the Guardians are also extremely powerful.

[split mortar]

It already drops from post provi ravager and afaik nowhere else

[young socket]

crag enemies

very low rate but still farmable if u dont wanna bother with ravs weirdly large hp pool

[hollow pivot]

It is so inefficient it's absurd.

[cedar path]

that will almost certainly change to cathedral enemies when that's added

cathedral is the structure for future rav

[wanton pendant]

Which obviously be composed of 89 subworlds requiring 187 hours of exploration (in a speedrun).

[hollow pivot]

How does Yharim/Yharon know people had auric souls? Can they feel it or did Yharim just see a famous person and kill them?

[wanton pendant]

Well, Yharon has one, and they were trying to avenge the dragons.

Yharim neither wanted to nor could kill anyone with an Auric Soul.

Now, Godly Souls, on the other hand, you just had to look for people with big glowing sigils behind them with magic powers.

[hollow pivot]

Wait are those Halos just stuck behind people 24/7?

[wanton pendant]

And when some of them are so warped that they look like this, it kinda gives the game away.

Master of subtlety over here.

[hollow pivot]

This guy had a halo pre-ascension.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but that's Xeroc, that's not a normal person.

They probably were doing crazy stuff.

[hollow pivot]

I wonder if we'll ever be able to craft this weapon? It'd be a cool reskin for Nadir.

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc should drop it, and it's obviously like, a pre-Plantera weapon.

[hollow pivot]

But I think that's auric bars.

[wanton pendant]

I get the feeling it's probably ceremonial.

[tropic oak]

is that

[wanton pendant]

It's literally being used as an incense holder.

[tropic oak]

distortion weed

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's Pikachu.

[hollow pivot]

Also is the eye redesigned?

[wanton pendant]

Eye?

[hollow pivot]

It used to continue up rather than spiraling like that.

[tropic oak]

yeah it got redesigned

[wanton pendant]

The Primordial Light Sigil.

I'd use the sprite added literally today as the basis for the current design.

[split mortar]

Thats the primordial light sigil its because the guys related to zeratros

[wanton pendant]

XEROC IS ZERATROS' SECRET BROTHER!?

[hollow pivot]

Uncanny resemblance.

[split mortar]

You are related to slugs

[wanton pendant]

WHO THE HELL IS SLIGS!?

[hollow pivot]

Slugnus?

[cosmic zenith]

This is not official Zeratros art

[hollow pivot]

It was the only Light Dragon I had 😢

[cosmic zenith]

It's alright

[wanton pendant]

Don't worry, I got some official Zeratros art right here:

It's good, isn't it?

[cosmic zenith]

So true

(There's no official Zeratros art yet)

[pulsar ocean]

Did zeratros invent the pl sigil

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros actually just copied it from Dungeons and Devourers (Calamity version of Dungeon and Dragons).

[wind kelp]

whats tehre to even make up in the calamity world if everythings just real

u try to make some fictional scenario up with a big monster and half the players get a flashback and vomit all over the board

[wanton pendant]

???

[hollow pivot]

I think what John is trying to say is that it'd be like roleplaying real-life because of how many fantasy tropes are done in Calamity.

[wanton pendant]

Honestly, I don't think that, John here just writes words.

Someone get the copypasta video.

[wind kelp]

i dont get how you dont understand what i wrote

[wanton pendant]

Well, it's mainly due to your words lacking meaning.

[wind kelp]

so why does it mean exactly what i intended to one person but to you it has zero meaning at all

do u think just maybe it has to do with ur less than stellar reading comprehension u bum bum bum bum bum bum

[wanton pendant]

See what I mean?

[hollow pivot]

I think grammar would be a real start. As of now, I cannot tell where a sentence begins or ends; I cannot tell where there are pauses.
TL;DR: Use punctuations.

[wind kelp]

im not going to do that

[hollow pivot]

I have to focus really hard whilst I read over your messages, then I still have to read through them multiple times to understand what you mean.

[split mortar]

I dont see how what john said means that

[wind kelp]

i think of it like a fun little exercise then

the death of lyricism in writing coincides with the death of art itself! who writes exactly what they mean nowadays?

[pulsar ocean]

Did you guys know that to fall asleep you have to larp sleeping in your bed

[split mortar]

No

[pulsar ocean]

Lowkey crazy

[wind kelp]

well i just count sheep

i got 382 last night

[hollow pivot]

Counting Sheep > Counting Money?

[wind kelp]

well there can only be so many sheep if i counted my money id have to count in trillions or id have no hope of representing any percent of my wealth

and then theres the problem of how would i visualise my trillions in my mind its just so much

[hollow pivot]

How does the Terrarian shoot with these?

[cloud ibex]

with skill

[dusk laurel]

video game logic (most weapons are very nonsensical)

[split mortar]

Up to you

[hollow pivot]

I don't even want to know how this thing works.

[dusk laurel]

miracle matter moment

[woeful hatch]

The goobow still seems relatively reasonable.

The other one, idk. Maybe a lot of the stuff is actually on the sides and there's a more sensible central structure. But the real explanation is just it looks cool

[wanton pendant]

Just grab by the glowing warped string.

[hollow pivot]

Wait is that lore?

[limpid saddle]

Im assuming you pluck the star thing & hope for the best

[hollow pivot]

What part do you pluck? There's like 2 strings interweaving.

[limpid saddle]

i said the star thing, so the centre

just flick your finger over it & it unleashes 7 squillion jester arrows

[hollow pivot]

What if you put an arrow in the star thingy, it gets transferred through the spiral string, turned into exo crystals that you can fire.
And the actual way to fire the weapon is just drawing back the straight string which will activate the crystals.

[snow vortex]

why does calamitas just talk shit about us all trought the fight just to join us?

[split mortar]

Outdated as fuck boss dialogue

The fight is essentially her panicking an extreme fucking amount at the idea of yharim 2 and the end is her realising this bot correct and wont end well and since you not yharim 2 no point risking death
I think
Might be wrong

[wanton pendant]

She thinks you're going to be a genocideal tyrant and the dialogue is really out of date.

[snow vortex]

i get that but just casually working for me afterwards was weird

[split mortar]

We do pay her a lot of money for the items i consider that more so a paying for a service only she can provide

[wanton pendant]

She needs to pay rent somehow.

[split mortar]

The xeroc tax aint cheep

[light linden]

so uh

[snow vortex]

😭

[light linden]

what the hell is the afterlife in calamity?

[split mortar]

Not even confirmed there is one

[snow vortex]

also canonically we are like universal+ endgame correct?

[split mortar]

Unless you count floating around as a soul like polterghast

[split mortar]

No

[snow vortex]

:c why not

[light linden]

there were multiple dragons who came back from the dead

I think one of them knew what there was after death

[split mortar]

Nothing in calamity can be that strong or else the entire story breaks

[snow vortex]

thats why i said "canonically", strength isnt just about destructive power

[split mortar]

Not even continental or country level would really
Work

[split mortar]

Why the fuck would they be universal if they cant end a universe

[snow vortex]

if they can stop a being that can end one

[light linden]

who is?

[snow vortex]

if they can make one(questionable though)

[snow vortex]

well there isnt im just giving example how one can be universal without destruction power

[split mortar]

Moonlord and noxus would have both just like consumed the universe a billion lightyears away ages ago and they are both top 3 in power

[snow vortex]

also by statements

[wanton pendant]

Name a single Calamity character who can.

[wanton pendant]

Name a single Calamity character who can.

[split mortar]

And by statements it takes one of the strongest characters days to weeks to end half of italy

[snow vortex]

rome wasnt conquered in a day or smth

by weapon statements and the end whisper id say it can be highballed to universal

[split mortar]

There are just too many characters who are meant to be absurdly destructive and want to end the world for anyone to have country level be anything remotely close to plausible for even most of the heavy hitters

[wanton pendant]

Well, there's nobody in Calamity who can do anything on a universal scale.

[hollow pivot]

Item tooltips usually aren't canon unless they're lore items.
Legendary Items
Exhumed Items
Wulfrum Items
Sunken Sea Items
Draedon's Arsenal Items
Profaned Guardian Items
Underworld Items

[wanton pendant]

End Whisper?

[snow vortex]

i dont remember cynocure or smth

[split mortar]

Oh my god why are you taking yharims words as literal he is hyping you and himself up a lot 😭 and he is already john unreliable

[wanton pendant]

Cynosure is talking about how you are a cynosure.
As in, the centre of attention.

Not a black hole.

[hollow pivot]

Cynosure

[wanton pendant]

Yes, that's all saying about how you are a cynosure.

[hollow pivot]

Also, apparently “Brink of Infinity” is just a reference, and it's Yharim's Hyperbole.

[split mortar]

Also like almost all item tooltips are extremely overexagerated and like 5 years old

[wanton pendant]

A bunch of it is like from Final Fantasy or something.

[split mortar]

Back when calamity scaling was ????????? And not the current continuity

[snow vortex]

this game feels like a ship of thesus with a game 😭

[hollow pivot]

The humble The Oracle tooltip:

[split mortar]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Looks at ozzathoth saying in a blink you end endless universes or smth

[wanton pendant]

Anyhow, one of the most powerful being in the lore, if their abilities were greatly increased, could destroy the planet in a couple of centuries, eons maybe.

[hollow pivot]

Actually, Ozzathoth and The Oracle are both donor anywho.

[limpid saddle]

is the oracle's even that crazy?

[agile matrix]

okay but like

calamity is allowed to be a liiiittle overexaggerated

[split mortar]

I mean yeah this is sorta the case the dev team itself also got nuked once before

[agile matrix]

its allowed to be a lil edgy

as a treat

[hollow pivot]

Omniscience is definitely a crazy ability.

[split mortar]

Thats borderline omniscience

[limpid saddle]

we'll never forget that fateful December Holiday...

[hollow pivot]

When was this?

[split mortar]

Mfw the funny yellow computer mouse makes me omniscientp

[split mortar]

Some time in 2022

[limpid saddle]

Ok so you know how you're gonna die & you can watch you shit yourself as a baby now what

[split mortar]

And also the future in general so like you k ow what others will do

[limpid saddle]

how is THAT implied?

it seems to focus on the course of an individuals life

[snow vortex]

end of game terrarian is stated brown dwarf level on the vsbatttle btw

[split mortar]

gaze into the past, present, the future…

The future

You know the future

[hollow pivot]

You can see anywhere, anytime. You can see anyone, their weaknesses, their history etc.

[limpid saddle]

yeah

YOUR future

[agile matrix]

man these 22 hornets in this Calamity Fables is something of Infernum itself! i better save my Souls Addon!!

the murderous polterghast:

[hollow pivot]

No, it says THE future.

[split mortar]

Only stated as an extra thing on top and not applied to the statement

It says and your demise or smth

So its the future in general amd the corcumnstances of your demise

[limpid saddle]

my desire to downscale and the reading comprehension devil got my ass

given it's called 'the oracle' & half of it is about knowing one's own fate i interpreted it as something that can show you your individual past, present and future

[split mortar]

Minecraft ass picture

[wanton pendant]

The same site that says Ash Ketchum could kill God?

[limpid saddle]

we've done this bit alright move it along

[snow vortex]

eh id say its the most consistent scaling site among the others

[split mortar]

When i know the my future of being hit in the head 3 mins from now and i protect it die to that

[wanton pendant]

I can throw the main userbase of that site further than I can trust it.
This is primarily due to them being children.

I am quite confident in my ability to throw children.

[hollow pivot]

Vanilla Terrarian can be upcscaled to multiversal with Cthulhu highballing.
Do not try to powerscale vanilla Terrarian, worst mistake of my life.

[snow vortex]

youre atleast city+ my guy

[split mortar]

Vanilla terraria lore is certainly a thing that is consistently thought of when it was written

[limpid saddle]

i dont believe that vanilla lore WAS written

like at all

[wanton pendant]

Also, that site doesn't seem to include Calamity in its scaling, so I don't see the relevancy.

[hollow pivot]

I think Re-Logic once said that Vanilla Lore is mostly up to the player.

[split mortar]

Looks at ml having a universal statement while a normal grenade launcher is a bad but usable weapon 😭

[limpid saddle]

its just a transient stream of consciousness and whatever Red feels like adding to Hardmode this update

[pulsar ocean]

Did the verse get scaled down at 1.5.1

[snow vortex]

wall of flesh is moon level alone so yeah

[split mortar]

Fucking how 😭

[hollow pivot]

Calamity got downscaled from whatever-I-feel-like-versal to sub-planetary.

[limpid saddle]

it can slam into it really fast (50mph) & break it

[snow vortex]

killing a being that covers the entire inner core of a world basically

[wanton pendant]

There is literally no implication of this.

[wanton pendant]

Or this.

[pulsar ocean]

Can’t believe xeroc isn’t gokuversal anymore

[hollow pivot]

Dang.

[split mortar]

I think its called the worlds core in the lore pages which is certainly completely literal

[snow vortex]

i meant the vsbattle, but attack potency is really hard to scale

[wanton pendant]

Also, just because something is really big doesn't mean it's really strong.

[zenith geode]

tbf powerscalers take everything at face value

[wanton pendant]

Again, I would never use that a source, ever.

[snow vortex]

by physics it is

[hollow pivot]

Powerscaling is ruined by 50% of powerscalers being ragebaiters.

[pulsar ocean]

Is xeroc lightspeed

[split mortar]

And also illiterate

[split mortar]

Idk

[wanton pendant]

Physics actually says it should become too weak to function due to the square-cube law.

[snow vortex]

jjk mentioned?

[pulsar ocean]

The new jjk ep was cinema

[snow vortex]

i never stated anything about attack power.

[zenith geode]

fans of hold on gotta spin a wheel

[wanton pendant]

Then what are you even talking about?
Cooking Power?

[snow vortex]

wall of flesh is litterally just a wall that moves to you

[snow vortex]

endurance

[wanton pendant]

The Wall of Flesh, if that large, should have awful endurance then.

Because of the square-cube law.

[split mortar]

We still stab a thin slice with its eyes and mouth theres nothing indicating we actually like explode an entire moon sized object

[wanton pendant]

It should by all means lack the strength to hold itself up.

[snow vortex]

?? square cube law doesnt say anything about the endurance

[pulsar ocean]

Throwback to when phaseslayer couldn’t beat goku anymore

[wanton pendant]

Do you not know what the square-cube law is?

[snow vortex]

wait till you hear about kratos scaling

[abstract hedge]

My guy, Yharim (the fourth strongest being to ever exist in calamity lore) is only capable of destroying like, a city and is WAY stronger than the WoF.

[hollow pivot]

Krato is like, low-balled Universal+ right?

[split mortar]

Mfw i beat up a mountain sized guy (multiversal somehow) idk kratos scaling

[pulsar ocean]

Is kratos gokuversal

[split mortar]

Prollbylu

[snow vortex]

basically bro gets kicked into a tree and the tree barely breaks but the guys multiversal++ somehow

[zenith geode]

no way devil may cry fans mentioned

[hollow pivot]

Also Shovel Knight canonically fought and beat Kratos according to the creators of Shovel Knight.

[wanton pendant]

Powerscalers when I show them actual powerscaling:

[wanton pendant]

Kratos canonically nearly got killed by normal wolves.

[abstract hedge]

I haven't played GoW, why is the silly Kratos guy able to destroy the universe?

[split mortar]

@raven brook limbus mention

[wanton pendant]

Like, while a god.

[wanton pendant]

He can't. At all.

[snow vortex]

lore rewrite + AP scaling

[wanton pendant]

Can you use actual terms please?

[split mortar]

Please speak like a normal person

[hollow pivot]

AP=Attack Power.

[snow vortex]

potency

[split mortar]

Yes i know its still gibberish

[abstract hedge]

Then why tf do people mention him as being multiversal or whatever whenever people mentioned powerscaling if he's no where near that strong

[zenith geode]

yharim can destroy a city by cutting off its resources and using heavy artillery

[pulsar ocean]

John kaisen actually outscales kratos since he has the world cutting purple

[abstract hedge]

The fuck is AP

[zenith geode]

therefore he's city level

[wanton pendant]

Powerscalers just make stuff up man, that's really it.

[hollow pivot]

Yharim is like the 5th strongest to exist in history.

[split mortar]

Dev statement of him oneshotting a city or mountain

[snow vortex]

because on the lore he does.

the thing is the feats we see isnt really consistent with it

[zenith geode]

armour penetration its that gimmick that reaper tooth necklace has

[snow vortex]

greek mythology is basically the same

[hollow pivot]

Xeroc>Noxus>>Fovos>>>Zeratros>Yharim iIrc.

[wanton pendant]

No.

Fovos is stronger than Noxus.

[snow vortex]

the guy who is stronger than THE CREATION OF EXISTENCE is killed by A MARBLE STONE TO THE HEAD

[wanton pendant]

Well, was.

[split mortar]

Why is gameplay and whats said in game different to the actual lore

[zenith geode]

prime ml is stronger than noxus iirc

[abstract hedge]

I wouldn't be surprised if Yharim could actually just destroy one by himself cause he's stronger than the walking nuke that is Calamitas (it'd take a while but yeah he probably could).

[hollow pivot]

Oh interesting.

[pulsar ocean]

But noxus made fovos

[split mortar]

Yah

[zenith geode]

it took calamitas three weeks of torching

[wanton pendant]

Don't say that, people will actually believe you.

[split mortar]

That was for a country sized area

[abstract hedge]

Wait who else is stronger? I thought it was only Noxus, Fovos (formerly), and Xeroc.

[zenith geode]

but yeah he'd prolly be able to do it given a while

[pulsar ocean]

I always speak the truth

[hollow pivot]

Zeratros, the original Dragon King.

[zenith geode]

zeratros

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros.

[abstract hedge]

Oh I forgot about him

Didn't know he got a strength level confirmed

[wanton pendant]

Forgot Potential Dragon? For shame.

[split mortar]

1. Xeroc
2. Fovos
3. Noxus
4. Yharim/Zeratros

[snow vortex]

gameplay is basically a strong guy with axe beating up other strong superguys.

lorewise he is killing embodiment of concepts, the creator and ruler of the universe etc.

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn’t fovos just use an omega healing potion to regenerate

Is he stupid

[split mortar]

Then why didnt they make that reflected in the game

[split mortar]

If they wanted a story of that

[split mortar]

Uh oh

[wanton pendant]

It's almost like 'powerscalers' are intentionally misrepresenting the lore to argue that their dad can beat up your dad.

[snow vortex]

theres not really a entertaining way to make fights planetary+

let alone universal

thats why you wont see any shows or games ACTUALLY scaling that high via attack potency

[pulsar ocean]

I mean the consequences of killing a god get mentioned like once and never again and never lead to anything

[zenith geode]

the arena is just sized up or smth which makes zero fucking difference

[snow vortex]

just statements

[hollow pivot]

We see 3 infection biomes bro.

[hollow pivot]

Oh you mean goW.

[abstract hedge]

Different game

[split mortar]

Whats shown to be the case over statements last i heard

[wanton pendant]

I cannot stress to you enough that the actual God of War lore explicitly notes that Kratos can be killed by regular wolves.

[wheat walrus]

p

[pulsar ocean]

I remember dying to bum ass zombies

[snow vortex]

theyre actually harbringers of the multiverse sent to downgrade kratos scaling trust

[wanton pendant]

Kratos is strong, but he can't bleeding tear the planet apart.

[pulsar ocean]

How do you know

[split mortar]

Because jacob bryson said so

[snow vortex]

like litterally give me a SINGLE universal character that actually DESTROYS OR MAKES AN UNIVERSE. (except alien x because he JUST IS THAT GOOD)

[wanton pendant]

God (Bible).

[snow vortex]

statements dont count

[wheat walrus]

i understand where the appeal from higher-end scaling through pure statements or even through specific calcs comes from, and i do think some works suffer from strong inconsistencies where it kinda checks out

but i also think that, in most cases, it's kinda silly billy

[wanton pendant]

God (Shin Megami Tensei).

[snow vortex]

i also never understood the minecraft weight scaling

[zenith geode]

isnt everything technically just statements

[wanton pendant]

That one is just a joke.

[wheat walrus]

im pan(dimensional)

[snow vortex]

we got dragons and no gravity for matter yet we assume the weight of gold is the same as earth? what?

[split mortar]

Doesnt goku and beerus nearly end one and had to stop due to that or smth
Also zeno obliterating everything that one time i think

[wanton pendant]

It's a joke.

Nobody actually takes it seriously.

[abstract hedge]

People using carrying weight to claim Steve is somehow stronger than like, post-ML terrarian who can fly and shit.

[zenith geode]

creator of book said character could do insert action and illustrator draws character doing said insert action

[snow vortex]

steve litterally ONLY gets carried by weight calcs

[snow vortex]

yeah nah nobody doing that

[wanton pendant]

Yes, because they're jokes, man.

[wheat walrus]

dragon ball gets so much glaze because it's one of those rare fictions where a character says they'll destroy a planet and then actually do that

[zenith geode]

doesnt steve's weight calc fall behind the terrarian's too

[snow vortex]

you havent interacted with a minecraft scaler in your life before

[wanton pendant]

Erazor Djinn (Sonic The Hedgehog).

[split mortar]

Terrarian has 9999 gold thrones so yeah prob

[wheat walrus]

minecraft powerscalers omaigah

[snow vortex]

yes, also with the same bullshit gold standart

[woeful hatch]

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan has some pretty good universal showings

Plenty of comic characters do

[wanton pendant]

(He does both.)

[zenith geode]

and dont the steve believers use both the pre-1.9 enchanted golden apple recipe AND 1.11's shulker boxes

[wheat walrus]

challenge: get steve past city block level wout inventory scaling

[wanton pendant]

Mending Efficiency V + Haste Beacon.

[woeful hatch]

If Steve gets inventory scaling then like half the protagonists in the RPG genre get infinite strength

There's no limit to how much shit I can carry in fallout or dark souls in my inventory. So theoretically infinite strength, right?

[wheat walrus]

yes

[wanton pendant]

You get slowed though.

Thus John Dark Souls > John Fallout.

[zenith geode]

purely based on vibes steve would fall to fucking ricardo limbus who's a sopping wet baby by high end project moon standards

[wheat walrus]

the only form of inventory scaling ill accept for steve is the armor you wear and weapons you wield, because that's shit you literally have on your body

[wheat walrus]

also no end poem allowed btw

if you do that you're OUT

‼️

[wanton pendant]

Powerscalers when you tell them they can't make stuff up:

[split mortar]

Didnt exclude creative and commands, spawns fireball that deletes 494738477483 metres worth of fucking everything with what the fuck damage

Scales to multi holy shit level

[wheat walrus]

i seen mfs gencerely scaling steve to planet level bc the end poem talks about steve pointing his eyes in the direction of a star boiling a planet

🤟

[wanton pendant]

I installed the Avaritia mod and can now kill Creative players.

[wheat walrus]

downscales you

[split mortar]

Why would you downscale the terrarian what have you done

[crystal pendant]

Compression

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian can create and destroy matter (Journey mode, Trash slot), therefore they are omnipotent.

[wheat walrus]

they are what potent

[wanton pendant]

I KNEW IT WOULD BE THAT!

I KNEW IT!

[wheat walrus]

[wanton pendant]

GOKU!

[wheat walrus]

[feral skiff]

HAHAHAHAH THEY TURNED IT INTO A MEME?????

😭

IM DYING

[crystal pendant]

LMFAO

[wheat walrus]

i did it

also did it get popular wtf

the essay i mean

[crystal pendant]

It was certainly something to read

[wanton pendant]

Oh God... did Reddit get ahold of it?

[limpid saddle]

wow thats some really good calamitas fanart

[wheat walrus]

when i checked the sub there was nun abt it

[split mortar]

Can create and destroy infinite boss spawners which one has the power to infinitely spawn bosses even end game bosses like dog who is 6th dimensional or scal who is 8th dimensional with infinite of those per summon and infinite summons able to be destroyed or created so journeymode terrarian without even being able to harm a tiny bird scales to 11th dimensional low end and beyond every concept but xeroc high end

[wheat walrus]

should i post the vid on the subreddit

[split mortar]

Yes

[wheat walrus]

wait

[crystal pendant]

Yucky… reddit

[wheat walrus]

vitroflare is trueing

[feral skiff]

THANK YOU THIS IS GOLD 😭 😭 😭

[limpid saddle]

anyhow i've been animationmaxxing again

[split mortar]

Oh neat

[wheat walrus]

anyways

[split mortar]

What was this wait for

[wheat walrus]

doesn't seem like reddit got ahold of anything

[split mortar]

O ok

[wheat walrus]

that's what i was checking

so i assume the scal user and vitroflare simply backread

[crystal pendant]

Yes i get bored and people say wild shit here

[wheat walrus]

i shall still post the horrible .mp4 on the subreddit with no context

[wanton pendant]

Impending Doom approaches...

[wheat walrus]

my discord kitten reddit moderator karma approaches...

🥹

[wanton pendant]

Never say that again.

[pulsar ocean]

Anti spiral I think

[agile matrix]

universal like the studio?

[snow vortex]

ehhhh

[agile matrix]

or universal like the tier that i dont know

[crystal pendant]

You can’t ever wash away your crimes

[wheat walrus]

my discord kitten reddit moderator karma approaches...indeed it does

[wanton pendant]

Please.

[agile matrix]

since i would say Nameless Deity of Light, technically

bro made most everything

[wanton pendant]

That's also God, who isn't good enough for powerscalers, apparently.

[agile matrix]

how the fuck isnt god good enough

[snow vortex]

universal as a tier of character who has the power to destroy a universe

[agile matrix]

okay Avatar of Emptiness i think. maybe.

[pulsar ocean]

Me

[agile matrix]

he just sat around for a really fuckin long time and his plane of existance ceased to be from my limited knowledge

[pulsar ocean]

I can delete terraria worlds which deletes the universe

[wanton pendant]

Erazor Djinn (Alf Layla wa-Layla form).

[snow vortex]

i repeat, on greek mythology the guy who is stronger than THE CREATION OF EXISTENCE is defeat by a marble brick

to the head

[split mortar]

AoE is nameless but thrown in the hyperlion timer for 1000000000 years and instead of training went insane and starved or smth

[agile matrix]

that is a bad ballpark

greek mythos is most made of uh

[wheat walrus]

ok, posted the evil on r*ddit

[agile matrix]

Parables?

[wheat walrus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CalamityMod/comments/1rgn4vx/nefarious_calamipost/

[pulsar ocean]

God of a different universe so not good enough

[snow vortex]

i like your idea

[wanton pendant]

I knows and I don't want to knows.

[split mortar]

Maybe you should consider that mythos arent made to be easily powerscaled but like as moral stories and worship reasonings and such

[wanton pendant]

Idea? He does both on screen.

[agile matrix]

the player, not terrarian, of Terraria (game)

[pulsar ocean]

Who cares

[agile matrix]

oh what about the lil guy from dbz

grand zeno i think

dude obliterates an entire universe bc they lost something idr what

[split mortar]

You will exist in a month

[wanton pendant]

Heartwarming.

[pulsar ocean]

[snow vortex]

it IS that easy actually. Just look at the turkish mytho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X5QgV3h2qQ

[feral skiff]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN??? I CAN’T WAIT A MONTH?!

[wanton pendant]

I don't have Reddit someone pretend to be me and ask why in the comments.

[snow vortex]

peak fiction warning btw

[split mortar]

I said it isnt made to be easily powerscaled not that mythos cant be easily powrscaled

[pulsar ocean]

Is sukuna 4d if wcs cuts through space and time

[snow vortex]

and this story is litterally just feats to be scaled

[split mortar]

We will be able to experience kozz next month better late then never

[split mortar]

Okay?

[wanton pendant]

Also you are assuming GoW takes mythology 1-to-1 as its basis, and ignore the fact that Kratos himself states that various mythological things are exaggerated.

[pulsar ocean]

I can wait.

[wheat walrus]

also if yall comment here dont mention the user who posted the original text bc that's not very good (esp knowing reddit)

[crystal pendant]

Sure, let me “borrow” your skin to impersonate you better

[wanton pendant]

Good idea, it'll really help sell the idea.

[crystal pendant]

🤝

[snow vortex]

i just wanna scale my fav character to be stronger than your fav character

[pulsar ocean]

What if my favorite character is god from the bible

[snow vortex]

statements alone

beaten by default

[tropic oak]

lmfao

LMFAO

WTF OMNI

[wanton pendant]

Universe exists, which God created, thus it's not a statement, since the result is visible. Checkmate, nerd.

[snow vortex]

univere exists, which I created. quit your heresy

the result is that i have given myself the right to state this sentence

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message

[tropic oak]

LOL.

[snow vortex]

god cannot say this sentence, as i have not given it the power to exist.

so i alone am superior to one

[pulsar ocean]

Is this ai generated

[wanton pendant]

God (Shin Megami Tensei).

[split mortar]

I think so

[wanton pendant]

You bet.

[pulsar ocean]

I don’t think you beat Gojo tho

[split mortar]

It feels very ai generated

[wheat walrus]

yes the essay thing is prolly aigenned

[snow vortex]

whats infinity to one that exists beyond the limit of such concept

[wheat walrus]

sad, but at least that means im not putting the words of an actual person in there as a shitpost to be laughed at

[limpid saddle]

good night lorecels

[split mortar]

Lorecels 😭

[warm gull]

I just want to kill calamitas because

[icy veldt]

It'll liberate her from suffering

[feral skiff]

she’s a witch, and witches are inherently bad people and cannot recover, therefore we must KILL

[normal mantle]

Who’s the most morally gray character in calamity lore

That we actually have good information on

[crystal pendant]

Amazing name

[feral skiff]

probably calamitas

[normal mantle]

Instead of braelor or statis who we only know are gay sell 2v1s

[feral skiff]

she incinerated an entire city but only because she was being manipulated as a child and being ordered to

she would NEVER have done that normally

[normal mantle]

Well yeah she was kinda groomed but she grew to enjoy stuff like that

[feral skiff]

true but that still makes her kinda morally grey in my opinion

[normal mantle]

To an extent she’s a victim of circumstance

She was forced into that position but she’s come to revel in it

I’d say her or draedon

[feral skiff]

draedon is also a very good answer

[normal mantle]

Draedon has done literally everything since his creation in the pursuit of knowledge and advancement

[abstract hedge]

I feel like Calamitas, maybe Xeroc (I'd put them on the goodish side but still a bit gray).

[feral skiff]

they’re a true neutral sorta character and will do both good and evil if it advances their goals

[abstract hedge]

Oh also Draedon yeah

[pulsar ocean]

Why can’t we just shatter the community ourselves

[feral skiff]

has xeroc actually done anything since his ascension?

[normal mantle]

I mean the only thing we ever see him do is kill dragon-Jesus and make a rock that creates juiced up bosses

[pulsar ocean]

Training or something

[normal mantle]

He made the terminus and makes himself known when we use it but that’s about it

The only thing we’ve ever seen him do is kinda bad though

[split mortar]

Permafrost or calamitas imo

[wanton pendant]

You're not qualified.

[abstract hedge]

They also calmed down the sun a bunch

[wanton pendant]

Yharim, obviously, he only made a couple teeny tiny mistakes, oopsie daisy.

[normal mantle]

Permafrost is decently good imo, didn’t he try to turn yharim off of violence before he just left

[normal mantle]

He literally killed so many gods it altered a big chunk of the environment 😭

TWICE

[pulsar ocean]

Why is Calamitas qualified she’s a witch she’s
unnatural.

[split mortar]

Idk
He did help yharim either way through like almost a century of that shit

[abstract hedge]

Thrice actually

[normal mantle]

Oh yeah but the hallow is whimsical so I don’t see it as a negative

[abstract hedge]

Was it ever actually confirmed that they made it? I don't see any mention of it in the lore doc but I guess it could be assumed.

[abstract hedge]

Still altered the environment.

[pulsar ocean]

Who do you think made the magic rock that lets you perfectly ascend if not the guy that made the ascension ritual

[normal mantle]

Idk about direct confirmation but it pretty much says “Signed, John Xerox”

[wanton pendant]

Oopsie daisy.

[untold forge]

Jane Xeroc

[wanton pendant]

That's Xeroc's wife and totally the mother of Empress of Light.
Her lore is fifty nine pages.
Release the document, writers, I'm onto you!

[leaden bridge]

In our expert opinion lore junkie seems more taxonomically accurate

[untold forge]

Reminding me of a head canon for empress I saw in 2023/2024

I wonder how that person is doing

[wanton pendant]

500 lines of dialogue and a quest tree later, we learn that they...
I couldn't think of a punchline, imagine I said something funny.

[dusk laurel]

no

[hollow pivot]

🤣

[gritty summit]

Am I reading the lore items right? Did Yharim stick the souls of his most loyal soldiers in the Mech Bosses?

[scenic olive]

[hollow pivot]

They donated their souls.

Also that is not nearly as bad as half the stuff that Yharim has done.

[hollow pivot]

Terraria's population halved during his crusade.

[eternal swan]

Yharon is Yharim's pet,everyone must know

And who is xeroc btw

[raven brook]

He's not

[split mortar]

No yharons fully sapiant and like 2000 years old

[raven brook]

The first and strongest god

How much do you know about the lore?

[raven brook]

They're more like best friends if anything

[split mortar]

Yeah

[limpid saddle]

me & the bestie burning the heretics

[eternal swan]

I thought Xeroc is Nameless deity,my bad

[eternal swan]

I only swim in upper glacier of the lore,not the depths tho

[wanton pendant]

No, they're not. Nameless Deity is from what is basically fanfiction.

[long bloom]

wotg isn't canon

[raven brook]

Wotg is a separate story

its not even gonna b a calamity addon anymore

turning into a independent mod

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message this doc is meant to help introduce people to cal lore id suggest reading it if you wanna learn more

[lone moss]

I don't know if anyone has already said/did that, nor if it fits here, but now with pals officially in the game, I had a thought that they can now be directly powerscaled in relation to Calamity critters/creatures/entities/NPC's/Bosses.

Wonder how Calamity would handle the new crossover elements, especially pals. Since they're technically OCP to good portion of pre-hardmode Calamity (and with Chillet around - potentially even past Moon Lord).

And lore implications...

[split mortar]

Crossover content is not considered by calamity writers when lore is written
So deerclops, pals, the defender event eith betsy are all non canon effevtively

[lone moss]

Dead Cells related items too.

[split mortar]

Oh true forgot deadcells crossover existed

[lone moss]

Gameplay-wise... Chillet is insanely good, yet it is limited to the ground at the end of the day, it can't fly. It can however dash through enemy attacks, busted for pre-hardmode, which will make sequence breaking of Calamity boss progression (aka "skipping straight to Duke Fishron some Hardmode bosses in pre-Hardmode") somewhat easier.

The rest of the Pals... Digtoise is good for making tunnels (especially hellevators), and that's basically it. And while Cattiva is decent and Foxsparks is very strong for a flamethrower you can get pre-boss, neither do enough to remain relevant past early Hardmode (in the most optimistic case).

[wanton pendant]

Also you can beat Calamity in pre-Hardmode.

[split mortar]

Oh yeah wof is skippable

[lone moss]

Given that they (pals) can't level up while in Terraria 'verse (unless a modder goes out of their way to quite literally mod the rest of much of Palworld (mechanics) into Terraria, which I don't really see happening yet), it is pretty understandable.

[wanton pendant]

I'm going to make a brave assumption and say that crossover content in Terraria is not scaled accurately to the source material.

Consider that the Meowmere can be obtained in Stardew Valley, and it is mediocre, apparently.

[lone moss]

Fair enough, and neither is Terraria content in Palworld proper. Again, understandable, and can probably be explained in-universe as differences between universes affecting things.

[mighty zenith]

meanwhile starfury is very strong in dead cells last time i used it

[final bison]

btw uhh

no wait wrong channel

[warm gull]

he is

[pulsar ocean]

He has a name tho

[warm gull]

its his secret name

[tropic oak]

ill kill you

[warm gull]

we can't fight in here, this is the lore room!

[split mortar]

Why you killing the truth speaker

[real glen]

how it feels to spread misinformation 🐬

[pulsar ocean]

but thats me

[split mortar]

Its your alt

[lusty dirge]

oh shit i didnt expect to see another isat fan here-

[split mortar]

Its my fav game

[wheat walrus]

siffrin gun

[eternal swan]

So,will Xeroc actually be added to the mod?

That guy seems interesting

[wanton pendant]

Depends on if everyone learns how to behave.

And also they are the one orchestrating the Boss Rush.

[eternal swan]

Hmm,hmm

I already seen the lore

So far,this is what I knew

"Back then, terraria world was filled with dragons (ofc it was dragon's age) and then moon lord (supposedly Cthulhu) comes to destroy the world,dragons try to fend off the moon lord,it worked,but moon lord escapes to moon and many dragon died including Zeratros,Strongest one

Xeroc absorbed Zeratros's power,making him more powerful than ever
Now dragons have vanished from the world,only remains an egg that will be the Jungle tyrant's best friend,Yharim

Ok guys I'm already tired,want to sleep,this is my opinion from researchs

[wanton pendant]

Not Cthulhu.

And it didn't escape, it was sealed.

Yharim isn't the dragon, nor the Jungle Tyrant.

[eternal swan]

O yeah,I'm tweaking today bruh

[wanton pendant]

They didn't vanish, they died.

And Yharon, who is the dragon, isn't an egg.

[eternal swan]

People can make mistake bro

[wanton pendant]

And I am correcting them so you can go forth with more knowledge.

Surely you didn't wish to bask in ignorance?

[eternal swan]

Ok thx for the info brother

[raven brook]

What the fuck does this mean

Why are you like this

[real glen]

Wrath of the Water

[pulsar ocean]

dont worry even if they dont feel like making xeroc and noxus there will be atleast one talented person that will make addons for both of these fights

no matter how long that'll take

[split mortar]

Why do you say this

[raven brook]

wwg is consistently the worst person in this chat at explaining Anything dude 😭

this is why hes chuddy chud chuddening

[dusk laurel]

i agree!

[split mortar]

Woulda thought that goes to me

[pulsar ocean]

i am the best person in this chat

[raven brook]

so true

[split mortar]

True

[dusk laurel]

[woeful hatch]

If I understand what WWG is saying, he means "if the community behaves", because that would probably make the devs get bothered and tired more, since Xeroc was, iirc, said to be added only if the dev team felt like it after Yharim

However I believe the sentiments of the dev team have changed on it since the horse left?

[raven brook]

It has nothing to do with the community 😭

[long bloom]

yeah what

[raven brook]

And ok icl wwg is just like kinda Bad at explaining things

[long bloom]

it was never about the community

[split mortar]

@wanton pendant i comprehensible British man explain yourself

[woeful hatch]

Laura is right after all

[long bloom]

mixed bag imo

[raven brook]

lore chat how good are you at explaining things tier list

[woeful hatch]

I'm not saying I agree with what he's saying, I'm saying what I understood from his words

[split mortar]

Do it

[dusk laurel]

like b

[woeful hatch]

Do not shoot the messenger

[split mortar]

Shoot the messanger

[real glen]

Do it fr

[raven brook]

shoots the messenger bc im evil and mean

[wanton pendant]

Please don't kill me.

[split mortar]

DEATH

DEATH

[dusk laurel]

ChuddyChudChuddening

[split mortar]

KILL

MURDER

[raven brook]

life or death for water wraith gaming

[wanton pendant]

Life!

[dusk laurel]

death

[raven brook]

😭 ;sob

[long bloom]

limbo

[split mortar]

37 EGGS NEATLY STACKED ON YOUR FACE NEXT TIME YOU SLEEP

[woeful hatch]

And thy punishment

Is DEATG

[raven brook]

Ok yeah jokes aside

Not only is the tone of explanations kinda condescending (gives off "expecting you to know everything" even if it's not the intent) but it's very "Here's 500 bits of information that just give you more questions"

This is just my personal feedback though it's not like such a major issue

[split mortar]

Would like to follow but idk how to

[raven brook]

I recommend generally avoiding introducing too many unexplained ideas/concepts when explaining things to people

[split mortar]

Yeah i know that
I just
Struggle to remove context from things
So its either say fucking barebones jackshit or too much info for me
Atleast i think that the case

[raven brook]

Ex: "Who is fovos? I hear them being talked about but i have no idea who it is is that a boss"
(Assume the person dosen't know anything unless you know for a fact they do due to talking before in this chat or something)

"Fovos is a giant creature from the distortion with the power to consume auric souls and turn them into pillars and it almost destroyed the dragon civilization and had a power to permanently kill them taking them away from the cycle of rebirth bla bla bla" ❌

"Fovos is just an alternative name for the moon lord, which in calamity lore was a really powerful ancient being" ✅

[raven brook]

Here's the thing it's ok to be barebones jackshit

If the person's still interested,

They'll ask more questions

You can go off from that

[raven brook]

You can reasonably include a bit more info depending on context here but yea just a example i quickly thought of imo

like ok ac tually

"Fovos is just an alternative name for the moon lord, which in calamity lore was a really powerful ancient being whose invasion of terraria acted as a catalyst for most of the story to happen"

This is actually better id say

[dusk laurel]

yeah i was gonna suggest that

[split mortar]

Alt name of ml given by chrysadia is probably how id say what fovos is

[pulsar ocean]

whats a chrysadia

[split mortar]

Far too many unnecessary words in your examples

[split mortar]

Sky civ

[pulsar ocean]

are they connected to aeralite

[split mortar]

Idk

[long bloom]

almost certainly

[split mortar]

Papyrus smited you, opinion invalid

[long bloom]

[feral skiff]

you’re blue!

that’s my attack!

[icy veldt]

Don't worry, I can be way worse!

[nova pagoda]

uhh i have kinda of a question

how come xeroc and noxus are canon, but the avatar of emptiness doesnt appear to be (and so for XG-07 Mars)

[split mortar]

Because wotg is fanfic and AoE is only wotg
And nameless deity isnt xeroc
While noxus and xeroc are calamity original characters that have yet to be added

[nova pagoda]

Ohh I always thought nameless deity is xeroc

[split mortar]

No

Nameless used to be based on old plans of xeroc ages ago

But

Has since become disconnected afaik

[mighty zenith]

just a good thing to keep in mind that the only things that are canon are things from the main calamity mod

not addons

minus the music mod but thats barely relevant to lore

[feral skiff]

is the calamity fandom wiki canon?

i read it and it had a cool Yharim page

[dusk laurel]

gulp...

[mighty zenith]

ogscule

(dont trust anything you see on fandom

[feral skiff]

it’s Over..

[dusk laurel]

nono you see green yharon is canon and relevant and i can prove it because

[mighty zenith]

snow yharon

[limpid saddle]

TRUE...

he definetly knows his stuff but he exudes the raw aura of the most self-righteous snob you've ever met

[icy veldt]

Also, it bears restating that some of the songs' lyrics are remnants of the old lore

[raw nest]

What made Yharim depressed and effectively stop his war against the gods for the time being?

[raven brook]

Repeated failures on his part and his encroaching mortality leading him to doubt if he could ever accomplish his goal

[light linden]

also his inability to finish it regardless I'd imagine

[raven brook]

He is still training however, and attempting to manipulate the Terrrarian into being his successor due to the fact they're Really Fucking Strong

[light linden]

since one god can't die and another would squash him like an ant

[raven brook]

So even if he dies,

He atleast will have a successor in you that way

[split mortar]

Also theres a theory that also adds another reason to it iirc

[light linden]

@spare pierquick question, was calamitas ever sent to other continents?

[spare pier]

Probably

[simple tangle]

vriska homestuck

[icy veldt]

Jimmy "Mankind" Space, Emperor of the 40,000 War Hammers

[wanton pendant]

See, Yharim let orphans see the world. Such a nice man.

[long scaffold]

Is there any lore reason for the Miracle Matter recipes? They seem very random

[split mortar]

Ultimately its a terrarian made it thing so its up to you but

Its commonly accepted the terrarian literally just threw random shit together

And got lucky with making miracle matter

[wanton pendant]

'Throwing stuff together' I think you'll find the term is rigorous science.

We're gonna stick the Angler in front of Ares' Blender Beam next, you know, to see what happens. Best case scenario, he gets super powers. Worst case, he gets some tumours, which we can cut right out.

[gritty summit]

...According to the lore primer document,only seventeen years separate Calamitas being pressed into Yharim's service as a child soldier,and the game's present day?
No wonder her dialogue makes her sound like a broken husk. The trauma's still fresh.

[long scaffold]

I meant the weapons, sorry

Like what is Subduction Slicer doing here

[wanton pendant]

Dialogue is outdated. And it's been 16.

[dusk laurel]

not really no

[gritty summit]

Also,short. Did Yharim not feed her properly?

[split mortar]

I think the same
Random shit go

[split mortar]

She would have likely been treated quite well other then being sent to kill a city or few

[gritty summit]

She was basically deployed as a living WMD.

[long scaffold]

She's pretty average height honestly
Everyone else around her is just super tall

[split mortar]

She is 5’4

[long scaffold]

Not her fault her boss is bigger than flipping Goliath

[gritty summit]

The Napoleon Effect.

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas would have been treated well, since that would encourage her loyalty to him.

[wanton pendant]

Average in Spain.

[gritty summit]

The whispers explicitly say that he treated her with zero kindness or respect.

[wanton pendant]

That was how he used her as a weapon.

He didn't respect her or care about her beyond that, but she would have been treated well.

You know, so she doesn't nuke his base.

[gritty summit]

Give that woman some therapy.

[wanton pendant]

Real.

[gritty summit]

Is Draedon an original ("Born as") robot,an uploaded mortal mind,or something else?

[split mortar]

Its left ambiguous on purpose

[gritty summit]

"This isn't the first time this happened to [Silva],so she'll probably be fine."
...People have dumped her into the Abyss before?

[young socket]

yes

we know this from implied evidence of azafures existence (silvas essence coming from above is the reason it existed so therefore she needed to be in the abyss before) and also it being plainly stated that it was also an imprisonment in perennial slimes bestiary entry

[gritty summit]

Man. People just bag on the Goddess of Life.

[split mortar]

She must have been able to get terminus from abyss somehow for perfect ascension

[gritty summit]

Also,the Unnamed Fourth Continent,or Evil Hell Continent,sounds a lot like Vvardenfell.

[gritty summit]

Details are hazy. It's not impossible that Xeroc simply handed it off to her at some point,before she stuck it down there.
Admittedly,this is far from plausible.

[split mortar]

I thought xeroc yeeted it down there themself

[young socket]

xeroc says he dropped it in the abyss

me when i forget about the imprisoned elemental of nature in the giant water hole

[gritty summit]

Hmm. Again,not impossible that it voluntarily changed hands between the first ascension and it getting dropped down there. But,again,very far from plausible.

[split mortar]

Also xeroc dislogue of a non mortal being the last time terminus wad used

[gritty summit]

It's also not impossible that Silva stole the Terminus at some point,then used it before Xeroc could reclaim and yeet it.

[split mortar]

How would The Sun lose it

[gritty summit]

As an Elemental,she can't exactly die.

[split mortar]

She can be blasted to hell and back to stop her

[gritty summit]

All life in the universe would need to cease to exist to kill Silva. She's like a Warhammer Chaos God in that respect.

[split mortar]

Why universe?

She is a manifestation of the worlds nature and life i think it makes more sense to be the planet

[wanton pendant]

Tossing Silva into the Abyss was actually the number one pasttime for the dragons, obviously.
Also, Silva likely requires only Terrarian life to be extinguished.

[gritty summit]

For an Elemental to die,its domain needs to be removed.
Silva's domain is life. Beginning,middle,end.

[split mortar]

Yeah from the planet afaik

[wanton pendant]

Silva's Elemental domain is Nature.

Not Life.

She's the Goddess of Life.

Unrelated.

[split mortar]

Functionally same thing tbf

[gritty summit]

No,no,mistake on my part.

There's a line there.

If every life-bearing planet were turned into an ecumenopolis,she'd lose her domain.

But there'd still be life.

[wanton pendant]

Silva is the embodiment of Terraria's Nature.

Not all nature everywhere.

No reason to believe the Martians can keep her alive.

[gritty summit]

The Martians feel like the Shroobs.

Homeworld destroyed,presumably by their own hand. Roaming the cosmos strip-mining any celestial body they can reach.

[wanton pendant]

Well, unless there was some other, world ending monster that could do it.
The Communists, of course!

[split mortar]

Tbf we do know of a intersteller force that would want to conquer or destroy their planet (ml) so there is another pretty plausible candidate

[wanton pendant]

Providence with a time machine, clearly.

[gritty summit]

...If she could travel through time,she would.

Omnicidal psycho.

So,if the planet were to be turned into an ecumenopolis,that would make Silva zero-sum,as her domain of nature on the planet no longer exists at that point?

[wanton pendant]

There would still be living things.

Which are nature.

You would have to kill literally everything else first.

[split mortar]

The reason i said life and nature are functionally the same is because it still cares about life 😭

[wanton pendant]

Plants, animals, and so on.

[gritty summit]

An ecumenopolis would preclude the existence of any natural ecosystem.

[wanton pendant]

Unless everyone there is a robot, there's still natural life.

[gritty summit]

Calamity is geocentric?
...You know,wouldn't be the most oddball thing the mod does.

[wanton pendant]

Yes.

👍

[gritty summit]

And the Astrum Dei are basically playing Vintage Story,what with their food having a spoilage timer.

[wanton pendant]

You're not gonna believe this, but food spoiling is a thing in real life.

[gritty summit]

I know. But the crystalline nature of the mana globes makes spoilage... decidedly implausible under known physics and chemistry.

[wanton pendant]

It's magic. Literally. I don't think it follows rules we are familiar with.

[split mortar]

It spoils because its gay

[dusk laurel]

bingo?

[split mortar]

No

[wanton pendant]

I've nearly got a diagonal.

[eternal swan]

Guys what in the actual Fk happened here

I just left for hours

[wanton pendant]

The usual.

[long bloom]

standard issue lore discussion brainrot

[eternal swan]

Oh ye ofc,the average discord experience:

[split mortar]

The usual

[eternal swan]

After seeing all this chat @wanton pendant,I feel bad for you

Do Eidolon wyrm have a documented lore??

Hm

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, they're the offspring of the Primordial Wyrm.

[split mortar]

They are a draconic offshoot that now lives in the abyss due to the dragon huntings and the average wyrm is equal to the average auric dragon
And that yeah

[wanton pendant]

They're really strong.

[eternal swan]

So back then there were not only dragons? But also wyrms?

[wanton pendant]

Auric Dragons had children.

Those children are regular dragons.

Which includes the Wyrms.

And Wyverns.

Dragonfolly.

[split mortar]

Basilisks

[wanton pendant]

A few more.

[split mortar]

Fishrons and pigrons

[eternal swan]

Wyrm with dragon,it's the same like comparing a lizard to a worm

[wanton pendant]

Wyrm... means dragon.

[split mortar]

Wyrm is a type of dragon iirc or is commonly used as such

[eternal swan]

But why it more look like segmented than a fatty dragon body

[wanton pendant]

Different species.

Of dragon.

[split mortar]

Theres more then just the western dragon

[wanton pendant]

Not all of them looked like Yharon.

[eternal swan]

Ok

[pulsar ocean]

the southwestern dragon

[eternal swan]

Oh ye,there are Chinese dragons too

[wanton pendant]

Why were you in the scooper?

[split mortar]

Oh wtf new kozz pfp this was not in the handbook

[pulsar ocean]

this is temporary

[eternal swan]

That's the one in FNAF,right?,if I remember correctly,your pfp

[pulsar ocean]

yes

im the guy

ennard

from fnaf sister location

[eternal swan]

Ok

[pulsar ocean]

vacation

[wanton pendant]

Screwed up what you did to Michael Afton.

[pulsar ocean]

idk what you're talking about hes purple and lost weight

[wanton pendant]

He's not meant to be a purple guy.

[wind kelp]

tomorrow will be an interesting day for you

[wanton pendant]

Are you sure?

[wind kelp]

sure as rain

try and enjoy today

[feral dagger]

🌽

[wanton pendant]

Are you sure?

[sturdy cave]

Why didn't the Terrarian absorb Yharon's soul again?

I think I have heard this been answered before

[grizzled pivot]

is there any "lore document" for wrath of the gods (mostly solyn lore im searching for)

or is it just the wiki + gameplay relying on

[wanton pendant]

Since Wrath of the Gods isn't part of Calamity, none that I know of.

[wanton pendant]

You don't know how.

[grizzled pivot]

why didnt our player just use the wiki

are they stupid

[wanton pendant]

It's not on the wiki.
Hasn't updated yet.

[light linden]

two reasons

we don't know how

and his soul is immediately moved upon death

to absorb his soul you have to find his egg after killing him

there's 2 things known about the ritual to absorb a soul

[grizzled pivot]

"Auric is near impossible to work with without being attuned to a Dragon or using the claimed soul of a Dragon to perform a "mock" attunement. However, if one can work with it truly powerful things can be created; enough so that using it in anything was deemed heretical by the Gods."

[light linden]

first is that the terminus is involved and second is that it was based on the moon lord

[grizzled pivot]

not 100% correct

but something similar

[spare pier]

Hey guys

[grizzled pivot]

im pretty sure amidas was just talking about the ore here

[light linden]

we know nothing about it specifically

[light linden]

hi vriska

[spare pier]

Mmmm actually I'm not saying this here

[wanton pendant]

Hello.

[sturdy cave]

So in the future we gotta find and delete all copies of Draedon on every computer and find Yharon's egg to make sure the villains stay dead after we beat the game

[light linden]

D :

[spare pier]

Just know that I did something really funny

[light linden]

[wanton pendant]

First is basically impossible, second requires you to know something you don't.
Better get reverse engineering!

[wanton pendant]

DEERCLOPS IS CANON NOW!?

[light linden]

the first isn't impossible

[spare pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[light linden]

just tedious

very

very

tedious

[spare pier]

It's very much impossible unless you figure out a way of pursuing Draedon into deep space

[light linden]

huh?

[wanton pendant]

Draedon is going to space soon.

[spare pier]

If Terraria ever became an unsuitable place to work in, Draedon would just upload a copy of himself and send it out into space

[light linden]

does he have an emergency back up in space?

[wanton pendant]

You'd have to destroy all of his backups BEFORE he can do it.

[spare pier]

Even if he doesn't, he would be able to make one before you can kill him

[light linden]

also laura I have another question

[spare pier]

Sure

[sturdy cave]

He continues to make progress on his avatar project, if we're going to slow him down we'll need to move fast

[light linden]

did yharim have a proper navy?