lore-discussion

[raven brook]

Alot of characters do rn

Dogma, War, uhh i think he said he'd make human Providence at some point but thats probably not as important

[split mortar]

Dragon concepts…

[raven brook]

Shakidou

[wanton pendant]

SSO update will release as soon as we go a day without an unreasonable 'ship'.

[raven brook]

Basically every fuckking dragon

[wanton pendant]

Imagine the dragons...

[raven brook]

theres the illmeran ghosts too

but

fish mines

rpboably not happening soon

fish hell

fish hiatus

[wanton pendant]

The fish forges.

[split mortar]

FISH FORGES

[flat berry]

Now, is yharim still canonically a lizhard or not anymore?

[split mortar]

Nah

Guys racist against em

[light linden]

ngl

if there's any part of the old lore I miss

[flat berry]

Oh, so now he is just a horribly deformed human kept alive by magic and auric armor...

Wait a god damn minute

[light linden]

it's lihzahrds having lore significance

[flat berry]

Is yharim just fucking anakin skywalker!?

[split mortar]

He isnt that disfigured atleast not in modern times

[light linden]

less so his armor and more so his attunement to yharon

[flat berry]

FOR FUCKS SAKE YHARIM IS JUST DARTH VADER

[light linden]

he's just burnt to all hell

[flat berry]

Exactly

Hes literally just anaki skywalker

[raven brook]

Everytime someone mentions Yharim being disfigured under his armor i need to remind people

That i's been 100 years since that happened

[light linden]

vader was burnt exponentially worse

[split mortar]

Tbf i think thats more so dealing with the fact yharim is 130~ now

[raven brook]

and he has accedss to the world's best medical technology

[wanton pendant]

Well the leading schools on his appearance are Ganondorf or Darth Vader. (Ignore the other ones.)

[raven brook]

And healing magic/potions

[light linden]

burns are also a PAIN to heal

[raven brook]

His armor isn't a life support

[light linden]

and his were likely 3rd or 4th degree

[split mortar]

Yharim could probably have gotten draedon to fix every fucking organ and muscle in his body before

[flat berry]

Oh god, i wonder if we will be able to kill kill yharim or if he will survive the fight canonically

[raven brook]

Well yeah but it's like fantasy world you can get hit by moon lord laser beam on your face and be reduced to 5 health

[split mortar]

He will die

[raven brook]

and then be back to 400 after chugging some potions

[wanton pendant]

He'll die.

[split mortar]

If he is alove he will be fighting us to the death

There is no peace with him once we enter the battle

[raven brook]

Like personally i

[light linden]

regardless of what we do he's dying soon

[raven brook]

really don't think Yharim is that injured beneath the armor

[light linden]

either from us or old age

[flat berry]

Untill you summon him again to farm his drops for the noxus fight

[split mortar]

Also true

[raven brook]

From his lava scars or anything

Maybe some scars yeah

[wanton pendant]

Not part of the story.

[flat berry]

I know ita a joke

[split mortar]

Refights aint canon

[raven brook]

But i think if you were to look at him without armor he'd be just like

a really fucking buff old man

[split mortar]

True

[light linden]

two could be

scal and exos

[wanton pendant]

See, Ganondorf.

[flat berry]

Well, scal refight is canonically just friendly sparring

[raven brook]

Exos aren't

[wanton pendant]

Not Exo Mechs.

[raven brook]

But there's others

Queen Bee

Eye of Chtulhu

[split mortar]

True but thats an exception not the rule

[raven brook]

Dragonfolly

basically anything that's just

[wanton pendant]

Anything that's just a regular member of a species.

[raven brook]

a species/group of creatures

you could realisticaly just

fight more than one of

[split mortar]

Oh right the post ml folly boss is like
Just a normal adult for that species 💔

[raven brook]

Exos took Draedon like,

[flat berry]

Yes, i didnt argue with tst

[raven brook]

Over a decade to make or something

[light linden]

except maybe aquatic scourge

[flat berry]

Ita the only canon refight

[light linden]

to design

[raven brook]

He can't just reconstruct them

[light linden]

not make

[split mortar]

Few months iirc

[wanton pendant]

Exo Mechs probably take months to build.

[light linden]

also it's worth mentioning

[split mortar]

Still has to grow thanatos

[raven brook]

Wasn't aware of that part

Even then yeah a refight would only be canon if Draedon ahs an

[light linden]

we have no idea how intensive his factories are

[wanton pendant]

Even with their plans, you still have to put it together. And they're all huge.

[raven brook]

actual reason for it

And it'd take some time in-universe

[strong notch]

And honestly what reason would he have to rebuild them and make you fight them again?

[light linden]

testing

[wanton pendant]

He'd just build a better one. No point in building the same flawed machine again.

[light linden]

we're the strongest thing that he has easy access to

[raven brook]

Yeah he'd just make better exos if that was the case wouldn't he

Unless he'd want to explicitly test You instead

[light linden]

it's the only real way for him to test for flaws

[strong notch]

And then he still has to be careful not to annihilate us

just test

[wanton pendant]

The Exo Mech fight is that test for flaws. He can use it to make better weapons. No point in rebuilding the ones that clearly aren't the apex.

[light linden]

also it's worth mentioning

we fight them in a specific order the first time

testing how things would go in a different order would likely give some useful info

[wanton pendant]

It would still require a large investment of time and resources into a design he knows isn't good enough.

[strong notch]

time that could be invested into doing something else

[light linden]

just had a thought

can draedon feel boredom?

[strong notch]

doubt it

he is most likely constantly busy doing calculations and creating more schematics

[wanton pendant]

Clearly he feels an itch when he's not using test subjects, and it doesn't go away if he just makes you do the same test twice.

[pulsar ocean]

what does yharim think about the RAM shortage

[hollow pivot]

Yharim can just download more ram.

[pulsar ocean]

who's luxor and why does he gift us the gift

[agile matrix]

city from dark souls

[pulsar ocean]

i only played elden ring and ds3

[plucky juniper]

to protect you from this

[pulsar mural]

How did calamitas get her name cuz I know damn well her parents didn’t name her that shit

[wanton pendant]

It's a nickname she got.

It's basically Latin for... Calamity.

[pulsar mural]

Ohh

Do we know her real name?

[wanton pendant]

And when she was torching Yharim's enemies, they called her that in fear.

Her real name is unknown.

[pulsar mural]

Ohh

[wanton pendant]

'Indeed, the faithful already quaked in her presence. Her name was a moniker of theirs, one uttered quietly in fear.'

Needeless to say, Catastrophe and Cataclysm are not their real names either, being an alias and a stage name of some kind in each case.

[pulsar ocean]

Amidias after he collects the 6 fish souls

[pulsar ocean]

Why would anyone name their child unknown

[wanton pendant]

Traditional Spanish name, means 'She who learns'.

[plucky juniper]

lemme guess, probably the same parents as monster hunter frontier's... unknown

[wheat walrus]

It's Ra Ro you dummy dum dum

Guess who don't have gif perms 🤟

(us)

[split mortar]

You can post em as image anyway

[wheat walrus]

Boring

Vacuums all of lore discussion Yama Tsukami style ✌️

Evil place this was

[rain scroll]

well yes but it used to be called Amidias' spark before the brainstorm update :v

it already does that basically </3

tmod vs optimisation

[raven brook]

Yeah but you asked why it was changed

[wanton pendant]

And it was changed due to having little to do with the man.

[warm gull]

hmmmmm

the terminus is a chud

[reef wigeon]

What do you think of the Empress's lore?

[heavy zenith]

Yo, did I just read that Empress is Xerocs kid?

[wanton pendant]

No.

That was never stated anywhere.

[wanton pendant]

Empress is the child of a god(s), at no point is the identity of her parents established or even hinted at.

[heavy zenith]

Yeah, it is definitely implied it could be Xeroc, witht the title of Light

[wanton pendant]

But that has nothing to do with her parents.

[heavy zenith]

Who else would she be the kid of bro, it literally says that she channels Primordial Light, explaining her engaging during the day.

[wanton pendant]

Yes, and that has nothing to do with her parents.

[heavy zenith]

Im just saying, extremely plausible. Even though yes, children dont inherit the power of their parents

[wanton pendant]

Her father could literally be Slime God and it would have no bearing on her powers.

Or maybe Tyrian, Shakidou, maybe Dogma even.

None of it would influence her abilities, because being a god isn't genetic.

So just because she can command Primordial Light, doesn't mean she's a blood relative of Xeroc.

[heavy zenith]

^

[wanton pendant]

How is it plausible?
Xeroc is just one theoretical candidate.

Out of like, ~3000 on the high end.

'The Empress chose to claim power for herself by siphoning it from other places and beings.'
At absolute most, she's robbing Xeroc, and it's more likely she's just siphoning Primordial Light directly from the sun itself.

[fallen quiver]

Playing the game has got me wondering just how strong the kingdoms yharim was fighting were because he had dog yharon the mechs scal and his god killer knights

Also whatever draedon cooked up

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas was only there for the very end part.

But Yharim's empire was unrivaled.

However, it wasn't able to just destroy everything in its path.

The kingdom Calamitas was ordered to destroy, Ilmeris, can be assumed to have held out for multiple years, decades even before falling given its proximity to the epicentre of Yharim's Crusade.

Of course, the strength of the various nations Yharim would have fought would vary, based on various factors.

The main targets of course would be ones harbouring gods. And gods tend to be pretty strong.

[fallen quiver]

Idk he had auric armor and a dragon to boot
He might just be a fraud /s

[wanton pendant]

Yharim with the help of that dragon killed the strongest god that isn't Xeroc.

[fallen quiver]

Yet he couldn't kill providence

[wanton pendant]

Providence runs away.

[dusk laurel]

knowing how to run away does wonders for survival

[lament shadow]

I know fabsol is part of calamity lore

But what the fuck happened to fabsol? And fabstaff why was it changed? Is there lore behind this?

Blud

[feral skiff]

he was one of those people

did some BAD stuff and rightfully got exiled

[split mortar]

Transphobia and then stuff of letting minors into nsfw places got revealed

[lament shadow]

How the hell do predators easily get themselves exposed 😭😭

It's like "Yeah bro I'm into young girls" in a damn public chat 😭😭🙏

[split mortar]

Someone who was a victim of that stuff dropped the bombshell of that info while the transphobia stuff was causing shit

[lament shadow]

Interesting 😭

Predators sure are dumb as fuck

They easily get themselves exposed 💔🥀

[spark shoal]

That’s why drunk princess was removed

Interesting that the dude’s self insert was her considering he’s transphobic, or am I just looking into it too much?

[edgy frigate]

We’ll crack that egg when we get to it

[mighty zenith]

he was uhh, very openly horny

do with that what you will

[spark shoal]

Checks out with some of her dialogue

At least there was like no lore with her

[mighty zenith]

yeah no she wasnt canon

[woeful karma]

yeah its weird
i cant wrap my head around his relationship to her its really strange

simultaneously self-insert and not

[eternal veldt]

Why do gods suddenly want to fight the terrarian to the death with the sole exception of slime god.

[wanton pendant]

You killed Providences girlfriends.

Sorry, I mean 'roommates'.

[dusk laurel]

so we kill her 3 friends and she gets pissed basically

[eternal veldt]

Shii fair enough

[split mortar]

You killed providences girlfriends and the other is literally a zombie

[eternal veldt]

Won't stop me from slandering yharim though

The fraud

[eternal veldt]

Is the bottomless bucket canon?

[split mortar]

Why wouldnt it be it just like uses mana to make water or smth idk

[dusk laurel]

vanilla items

they exist idk

[eternal veldt]

Ahh i see i see. Unrelated question since an oversized crab managed to escape could there technically other civilians alive in hiding?

Or is that race just completely wiped

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas didn't kill literally everyone in Ilmeris.

Since, you know, Amidias.

There would be survivors.

[split mortar]

Yeah theres bound to be some survivors
Hell iirc tyrian isnt explicitly stated to be dead but like cmon it was calamitas 90% sure he dead as shit

[eternal veldt]

Ok ok... so what im getting from this is that... i could rebuild the entire kingdome with the bottomless water bucket and sheer will...

[wanton pendant]

You would need to remove the haunted fish.

[dusk laurel]

the crab wasnt oversized at the time

uhm it got supercancer and eaten by the 🍄

[eternal veldt]

Shi not a problem for an endgame terrarian no?

[wanton pendant]

Still a lot of fish.

[eternal veldt]

Problem with that is if the crab is dead shedding couldn't happen sooooooooo

[eternal veldt]

With patience. Best boy can have his kingdom back.

[wanton pendant]

No. Down with monarchy.

[split mortar]

Yeah the shrooms ate the crabs corpse not its shedded skeleton

[eternal veldt]

Ilmeris shall rise- or submerge? Once more!!!

[eternal veldt]

Exactly it's a corpse and corpse can't really shed to get bigger since their shell would be too small for their growing body. It either died humongous or some voodoo magic mushroom is keeping the crab alive and dead at the same time

[wanton pendant]

It was a big crab that died.

[spark shoal]

Doesn’t it literally say that the crab is animated because of voodoo magic mushroom bs?

[eternal veldt]

Gotcha

[eternal veldt]

Tbh this mushroom can let us regenerate ungodly ammount of hits it seems fair LMAO

[spark shoal]

We’re talking about crabulon right?

Maybe the blue mushrooms are more parasitic while the red ones are more symbiotic?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, Crabulon.

The mushrooms are the boss, not the crab.

[spark shoal]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

It's like Parasect, the Pokémon.

[mighty zenith]

glowing mushrooms being parasitic is even established in vanilla

so yea

with spore bats and zombies and such

[eternal veldt]

It could have very well just been keeping the crab alive letting it go through it's shedding cycle.

[split mortar]

Hope its been fun
idk how this lore related tho

[eternal veldt]

Wrong channel and boy are you keeping the best boy in a fast house prison?

[shell sail]

oh sorry

[shell sail]

wdym best boy

[eternal veldt]

Amidias

[shell sail]

who is the best boy

[eternal veldt]

Gives us hints and weapons

Overall bestboy!!

[shell sail]

yes

yes i am

i'm planning to recontrust everything later and make the world look beautiful

but i keep procrastinating on it

[eternal veldt]

How dare you. Best boy deserves a well built respectable home near the ocean

[shell sail]

i put him in a shoe box house near sulfur ocean alright

[eternal veldt]

WRONG OCEAN!!!

[shell sail]

instruction unclear

i put him in the abyss

[split mortar]

🔥

[eternal veldt]

Err ehh im sure silva will protect him.

[shell sail]

look buddy i have adhd i keep sayign i will design a better house for efveryone but i keep procrastinating on it

[eternal veldt]

Imagine if the NPCs have their original strengths LMAO

[shell sail]

huh?

wait no wrong chat

[eternal veldt]

Good enough. Are you a builder?

[shell sail]

no

planning to learn

[eternal veldt]

Same

LMAO here's my stuff

Nvm couldn't find the pics

[split mortar]

I mean
Most are norm people only like permafrost and scal would be pretty strong and they have 20K hp or 900K hp already

[eternal veldt]

Boss killing guide and now they have a wall problem

But this would make boss encounters really hilarious

[eternal veldt]

One more question if calamitas was meant to ambush you can't the devs just code her like the eye of cthulhu or the mech bosses?

[long bloom]

that would suck i think

[feral skiff]

you kill the Exo Mech and then “Supreme Calamitas is coming to murder you..” appears in chat

[split mortar]

They can but that would really fucking suck

[eternal veldt]

How so? Ofc they could make it rare

Or like when only certain bosses are defeated?

[split mortar]

Being forced into a scal bossfight when you arent ready is not great and also due to the arena it would always be better to just die and fight her normally

[eternal veldt]

How exactly did calamitas ambush the terrarian again?

I don't really believe in pots or arena bs i just plop out campfire and i managed to beat revengeance just fine?

[split mortar]

Unless you trying to kill exos first i dont think anyone is gonna hold out on fighting scal once they have the gear they wanted and the arena makes it a lot more wack to actually make a random spawn work like eoc or other earlier game bosses
This also applies to yharon

[split mortar]

Its more so that if you are like at your base or anything half the arena or more is just gone due to it being covered by the ground

[eternal veldt]

Ohhhhhh

How about like giving the player time to actually prepare?

Like you feel heat in your entire body would pop up but it gives you about 2 in game hours before she apears

[long bloom]

that's barely more than eoc

[eternal veldt]

Then more then? it could be adjustable

Nonetheless it would be funny to just see a message "a warcriminal is after your ass"

[long bloom]

the concept is flawed
it's literally the final boss
-# slight hyperbole
you don't want it to randomly spawn

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough

[long bloom]

that's super unserious

[eternal veldt]

Isn't yharim the final boss?

[long bloom]

no

because he's not in the mod

[eternal veldt]

Noxus?

[long bloom]

also not in the mod

[eternal veldt]

Oh i meant when he finally gets added

[long bloom]

well yeah

but that's irrelevant to right now

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough

Maybe it'll get updated to do just like that maybe not. Since yharon exists

Damn now i want an addon that makes everything lore accurate

It would be a challenge but hey calamity fans has some form of masochism soo some of you might like it

[near violet]

would the arms dealer ever try to hit on supreme calamitas after she joins the town as an npc

[eternal veldt]

Bro calls dibs an a thousand year old dryad. Ofc he would

[shell sail]

i ship her with player so my headcanon is that he is too scared to do anything

[split mortar]

I dont think even he has the balls to do that

[eternal veldt]

Nuh uh you don't

[near violet]

the dryad wouldnt burn him to a crisp with brimstone fire

[eternal veldt]

Have faith. The guy would have a pickupline ready for an elemental fr

[eternal veldt]

Fair enough.

But hey who's to say he wouldn't try

[split mortar]

Also if calamitas being aro ace is known to others hopefully he would like respect that

[near violet]

i bet he'd even try to flirt with providence

[shell sail]

they look cute

[eternal veldt]

He'd try and get turned down. The guy respects women but like a true gun owner. You'll never know until you take the shot

[near violet]

i wonder what his interaction with one of the elementals would look like

or providence

[eternal veldt]

You'd love my art that im working on.

[shell sail]

wait she’s aroace?

[shell sail]

👀

[split mortar]

Yeah

[shell sail]

oh damn

didnt know that

[eternal veldt]

"Hey baby. You blazing! Im hot, how about he get some heat together" it could go for both the brimstone elemental, calamitas and provi

Bad ending is if the nurse finds out and he gets stabbed with HIV

[near violet]

"The Arms Dealer was slain..."

[split mortar]

Only calamitas isnt killing him a mile before he gets close

[eternal veldt]

Fr either way he dyin

He may survive the encounter but he ain't surviving the nurse

[near violet]

what if johnny bravo was in the calamity universe

[split mortar]

Providence is jane kill 7 billion people image and brimmy might not even be sapient and just spreads fire???

[eternal veldt]

She can give life doesn't mean she can't take e'm

[eternal veldt]

That would just be me

:3 even plague bee girl ain't safe

[near violet]

even the arms dealer is impressed

[eternal veldt]

"If the murder hobo can have a flaming girlfriend. Why can't i have one" - arms dealer moments before getting burned

No worries though they get resurected with a different name

[near violet]

can the devourer of gods devour the nameless deity

[eternal veldt]

In game. Nahhh

Canon wise yeah

[near violet]

they must rename it to the devourer of frauds

[eternal veldt]

It's a bit larger in canon

[near violet]

oh

shouldnt the devourer of gods be a lot stronger then

[eternal veldt]

It kinda is idk. I did hear they are reworking it

Kind of a joke rn for me

[near violet]

yeah

devourer of gods should be stronger than yharon

and even the exo mechs

[eternal veldt]

True meelee main users finding out devourer of god is a worm boss

[eternal veldt]

Oh hell no

Lmao

Those exo mechs have the equivalent firepower to yharim same as yharon

[near violet]

ah

[eternal veldt]

Im gonna slander true meelee and meelee mains every chance i get

[near violet]

melee is fun but its the easiest class by far

[pulsar mural]

#unfortunate but gotta respect it

[eternal veldt]

Yeah. And that's why im gonna slander the ever living being out of it

Mr and mrs "i can't dodge shi"

[spare pier]

What

Bro

[eternal veldt]

Idk

[spare pier]

Nameless Deity is Capital G God

[eternal veldt]

Wait huh?

[near violet]

ohhh

[eternal veldt]

Ohhhhhh did i misread shi

[near violet]

why can we even defeat nameless deity then

[eternal veldt]

We can't

It was a test

[near violet]

oh

[eternal veldt]

Shiii i was sleepy af

[plucky juniper]

this goddamn face

i love it

[eternal veldt]

Mb mb i thought he was talking bout the devourer im sleepy as hell

[spare pier]

Fair

[eternal veldt]

Anyway yeahhh not even xeroc is beating deity

Or avatar of emptiness as a matter of fact

[split mortar]

DoG is already one of the strongest things on the planet no not really

[wanton pendant]

How many times must the question of 'Can God from the Bible defeat Glirmbus O'Stinkyfoot?'

[near violet]

wouldnt a being that devours gods be stronger than a dragon

[eternal veldt]

Well could be a chance considering if the theories are true gods can die. Hence AoV

[wanton pendant]

It's the second strongest dragon ever.

[split mortar]

Yes the average auric dragon was equal to an eidolon wyrm

Yharon is the second strongest ever

And no yharon can still be stronger

Even if DoG is made to be massive

[eternal veldt]

Still a mile from the strongest though

[near violet]

that makes sense

[wanton pendant]

That one is dead.

[split mortar]

Zeratros is like yharim tier iirc so like no not really

[eternal veldt]

Only cuz of an oversized calamari

[eternal veldt]

Could he grow stronger is he trained?

[wanton pendant]

That oversized calamari could use DoG as a yoyo string.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but it's a bit late for that.

[eternal veldt]

Rip

[split mortar]

Yeah zeratros isnt battle trained and still that tier
While yharon is battle trained and still second place

[near violet]

moon lord is like a coughing baby compared to all these other bosses

[split mortar]

Moonlord used to be the strongest thing

We fight its uh

Cut in half

Skull broken

Organs torn out

Body

[wanton pendant]

Lobotomized.

[eternal veldt]

Wait if that strongest dragon is only yharim tier does that mean if post yharim terrarian joined in the fight against the giant calamari would it potentially lower casualties???

[split mortar]

Left on the moon for centuries with fuckall

[wanton pendant]

Well, yeah, if someone who was stronger than most dragons was backing them up things would go a bit better.

[split mortar]

^

[eternal veldt]

SHIII DRAEDON HURRY UP WITH THE TIME MACHINE!!!

[near violet]

the goldfish is obviously the strongest entity in terraria

[eternal veldt]

True

[wanton pendant]

Shocking news for some people; having more, stronger soldiers makes you perform better in war.

[near violet]

it is so powerful that we only fight 0.000000000000000000000001% of its power

[eternal veldt]

Mighty goldfish could solo prime moonlord

Even gives us It's helmet as a gift if we defeat it.

[near violet]

the goldfish walked so that xeroc could run

[eternal veldt]

Nahh it's just someone back then told me that the terrarian wouldn't even nudge the story if he was to go back in time

[eternal veldt]

BARS!

[wanton pendant]

Well, you wouldn't change the outcome, Moon Lord is far too strong for even a late game player to defeat.
But like, you'd be outclassing literally everyone other than Zeratros.

[split mortar]

Dragons would still die n stuff i dont see long term consequences being different other then maybe a few more gods from the dragons living

Or well more dragons living

[eternal veldt]

Would still be a lot better though and could potentially affect yharim's conquest

[near violet]

goldfish vs yharim

[wanton pendant]

You would risk it being worse with more gods.

Since that's more targets.

[eternal veldt]

Oh crap your right

[wanton pendant]

And more worshippers.

[eternal veldt]

Or weaker gods because worshipers gets divided more

[near violet]

if cultists worship the moon lord, the moon lord worships the goldfish

[wanton pendant]

They don't.

They worship dragons.

[eternal veldt]

All hail the mighty goldfish

[near violet]

i mixed up a bit with vanilla and calamity lore mb

[wanton pendant]

Too late, into the pit with ye.

[eternal veldt]

So that's why the pillars comes out when you kill the cultist. The pillars hold the dragon's souls

[wanton pendant]

They were made from the dragon's souls.

[eternal veldt]

Ic ic

[wanton pendant]

They don't have a full Auric Soul inside them.

Otherwise how would Otonilou, Xeroc and Silva work?

[near violet]

the dragons were originally birds that were given a tiny fraction of the goldfish's power

[eternal veldt]

Hey the flying fish when it rains are dragons that haven't transformed yet

[plucky juniper]

those are fish.

[eternal veldt]

Nahhh the goldfish gave them auric souls

Fr fr

[near violet]

the goldfish was so humble that it nerfed its health to 5

[eternal veldt]

When the time comes those flying fish will become pure auric dragons and will serve the goldfish empire

[near violet]

how far would mr incredible make it in terraria

[wanton pendant]

Eye of Cthulhu.

[near violet]

how about his twin that wears a green costume

[wanton pendant]

Green Slime.

[near violet]

gassy would destroy the avatar of emptiness

[wanton pendant]

Good ideas: gathering too many gravestones should spawn Polterghast.

[reef wigeon]

So Shakidou > Yharim > Yharon but Shakidou < Yharim WITH Yharon

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, the real superpower of teamwork wins again.

[reef wigeon]

Many underestimate the power of friendship when it's OFTEN the only way you can beat someone powerful in a story

[split mortar]

Atleast back then
Scal is stronger then shakidou was

[sacred pilot]

Logistics win wars. Shocker.

[reef wigeon]

In Sonic, power is even multiplied between two or more individuals

[wanton pendant]

Being beaten up by two guys really puts you at a disadvantage.

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

[reef wigeon]

.
I'm confused now

I suppose Yharim and Yharon increased their power over time?????

[split mortar]

Yharim and yharon got stronger over time

[split mortar]

I mean yeah

Shakidou died in the earlier half of the crusade iirc

[reef wigeon]

Well now i'm not confused

Speaking of the Empress of Light
I think that perhaps the children of gods are more likely to channel power. I mean, not that they have spiritual power from their father/mother, but that they can channel power as an innate ability (something like the ascension ritual if it were a separate magic school, idk)

[wanton pendant]

It's made pretty clear that being a god isn't genetic, and so their children are just normal people.
Empress was just particularly determined to get powerful.
Probably anyone who tries hard enough could reproduce her methods.

[light linden]

eh

I think it'd be cool if there was some genetic effect

[wanton pendant]

Take it up with the writers.

[light linden]

I am not doing another infected armor plating

[wanton pendant]

What?

[light linden]

were you not there for that?

basically I pestered the lore devs for like

3 months asking what infected armor plating was made from

eventually ozzatron answered it himself after he became head dev

[wanton pendant]

Which time period was this?

[light linden]

gimme a moment

june 5th 2025

[wanton pendant]

I joined 20th July, 2025.

[split mortar]

I see demigods as the god equivalent of draconic offshoots

[light linden]

I mean

from what we understand they do inherit a bit from their auric parent

e.g. wyverns have souls with unique powers and seemingly endless flight without wings

[pulsar ocean]

i think it wouldnt be cool.

[normal mantle]

So did slime god canonically transition after we beat her the first time

[wanton pendant]

Slime God is genderfluid, so, maybe.

[split mortar]

Yeah sg is genderfluid so there is a chance went from whatever they were to she but we dont know slime gods at the moment gender at all

[agile matrix]

i mean dont they also get copped by QS who is definitvely a Queen

[light linden]

long story short

that might be changed

cal clone and slime god swapping is still very up in the air

although that does remind me of something

@spare pier got a moment for a question?

[raw nest]

How does calamitas’s clone have her brothers? Or atleast a version of them

[split mortar]

They are essentially puppets made to look like them iirc

But lack any actual mind

[fallen oyster]

Hey guys, inside of the game what are the sources i can read the lore

like boss spirit or draedon logs

after so many years and like 3 lore rewrites i will finally read stuff for myself

[wanton pendant]

Check the lore reference doc for all of the in-game stuff.

It's pinned.

[split mortar]

Bestiary entries (objective and unbiased)
lore whispers (from yharims perspective so not objective)
Draetalk (from draedon very very reliable)
Wulfrum item tooltips and the victide stuff as well iirc

Also boss rush dialogue

Thats from xeroc

[wanton pendant]

Also Silva quote in Blossom Flux.

[split mortar]

Oh true

[wanton pendant]

Various comments about Demons in tooltips.

Various comments about Ilmerian military in tooltips.

[fallen oyster]

thank you ^^

[dusk laurel]

i like how you guys took the most complicated way of saying "a bunch of items have tooltips that have neat worldbuilding"

[wanton pendant]

Nerd.

[dusk laurel]

idk you should like look in a mirror

[wanton pendant]

I am well aware of my curse to be stunned by my own beauty.

[dusk laurel]

whatever you say chud

[woven socket]

Hello guys

[pulsar ocean]

if absorbing an auric soul makes it stronger than it was and slime god is in pre hm does that mean gluttony dragon was like king slime tier or below

[woven socket]

I've started the mod for almost a week and i main the Old lord claymore

[split mortar]

With how sg refuses to indulge in its instinct i imagine sg is one of the examples of a god weaker then the dragon

[raven brook]

gloomborf upscale

[woven socket]

and now i have it upgraded into his exalted oathblade form, and i've seen in the descriptions of these weapon about a "last demon lord" ruling on the underworld

Do we know more about this one or is it everything for the moment ?

[raven brook]

That's all we know at the moment
Probably not a suuper important character. Just the warmongering leader of the demon civilization

We might learn more later, but who knows

[thick bluff]

Am I the only one who sees a parallel between Yharim and Kratos?

[thick bluff]

Like, two guys who committed genocide against gods, whose deaths led to dangerous consequences. And then realized they were doing something wrong.

[split mortar]

Yharim regrets the wrong things and would do the crusade but better at killing gods and people if given the chance to re do it all afaik

[wanton pendant]

Yharim didn't realize what he was doing is wrong.

[split mortar]

Does that parallel kratos cause idk kratos

[agile matrix]

i havent played any god of war games

[wanton pendant]

It would be like if Kratos' takeaway was that he should have not shouted as much.

[agile matrix]

i just know kratos says Boy. and ZEUS!

[wanton pendant]

If Yharim is like anyone it's Wind Waker Ganondorf.

Play Wind Waker.

[thick bluff]

ZOOOS

[thick bluff]

Ok

[raven brook]

the similarities as far as i can tell are

• kill gods

[fallen oyster]

• Genocide
• I'm sowwy :(

[wanton pendant]

• Uses fancy words.

[robust osprey]

atleast kratos kills gods for a personal thing. Yharim does it to avenge a race he NEVER met aside from 1 dragon

bro picked a conflict that wasnt even his

chuddy ass

[fallen oyster]

Yeah but that doesn't help in any way, like, dark souls do the same and i'm not going through 10 "this item is cool because it does this thing" tooltips to get 2 actual lore stuff

[raven brook]

most of the tooltips are actual meaningful bits of worldbuilding

with a few uh

yeah "this it em is so cool it can blow up the planet" tooltips

i hope these sort of tooltips get killed,,

they aren't interesting at all and really don't add Anything beyond just making things confusing because no the item cannot canonically do that the tooltip is just hyping it up to show how cool and badass it is

[split mortar]

In isolation those tooltips are fine but since some tooltips are genuinely meant to be serious yeah the exagerating ones do harm

[raven brook]

they have no real reason to exist and just confuse people

like ok man you dont need to hype this weapon up for me i dont care if the weapon is Cool i'll be able to tell by Using it

Idk who/when/why/how/where/what even added them

[pulsar ocean]

does killing wof put the whole world in hardmode

[split mortar]

I think just heartlands gets super fucked by god essence

Granted the hell continent is basically already there iirc

[pulsar ocean]

do people on other continents see us fight ml how big is he

[wanton pendant]

Hardmode is more of a state of mind, you feel me?

[wanton pendant]

I like to think so.

Calamitas is just sitting with binoculars and popcorn watching.

Good ideas: Calamity stream but it's presented as Draedon live streaming the Terrarian and commentating.

[robust osprey]

and what..?

[wanton pendant]

What?

[robust osprey]

why is calamitas eating popcorn he needs to write more

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

Popcorn

Would you say she has

1233 popcorn?

[wanton pendant]

What?

[robust osprey]

popblud sukuna

[split mortar]

Pobplud 42

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

Waterwraith fuck you stop ragebaiting 😭

[robust osprey]

WaterRageBait

will melon take the bait?

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

I called it out before you 🖕

[robust osprey]

will melon take the bait?

[wanton pendant]

What?

[split mortar]

Fucking dies and kills both of you in the process

[robust osprey]

dodges

[wanton pendant]

What?

[spare pier]

The idea behind that is basically to show a glimpse on what Yharim's natural death would cause

And also just general worldbuilding of course

And why demons seem so scattered

[wanton pendant]

Become demon king side quest when?

[spare pier]

You need to be a demon for that

[robust osprey]

what if my terrarian is a demon

[split mortar]

What if my terrarian IS a demon?

[wanton pendant]

What, can YOU! not be a demon?

[spare pier]

Combust

All of you

[split mortar]

The rot the rot the rot the rot im sorry for that laura

[robust osprey]

get SNAILED

🐌

[robust osprey]

oh ok

I die

[spare pier]

But y'know

Not a terrible idea

[light linden]

hey laura

thing I'm wondering if you don't mind

[spare pier]

But I don't want that because I want the player to not be able to solve everything

Shoot

[raven brook]

makes sense yea, its cool to add little bits of worldbuilding related to some of the less important factions like that

makes things feel a bit fleshed out

[light linden]

are the minds of whatever gods were turned into the slime god's paladins even slightly present?

[spare pier]

what

[light linden]

I think I didn't say that right

[split mortar]

I think thunder asking about the god essence in the paladins

[wanton pendant]

You won't solve everything, since if you become demon king there'll still be an inevitable succession crisis.

[light linden]

that

[spare pier]

I mean I guess I get it but like

[raven brook]

I don't think god essence is like

[spare pier]

That's not how it works

[raven brook]

Sapient, by itself

Or sentient for that matter

[split mortar]

Is god essence gay

[raven brook]

I think it's more of, it CAN become

[spare pier]

Bingo

[light linden]

hmm

[raven brook]

if theres a large enough concentration of it

as seen with it manifesting in sentient beings

in the evil biomes

its kinda like cells. i suppose

cells by themselves arent really sentient

[spare pier]

God Essence isn't neatly separated into specific gods

[raven brook]

theyre just kinda

[wanton pendant]

Bingo.

[raven brook]

cells

[light linden]

that confuses my understanding of a few other things but

[raven brook]

but if you get enough cells together

[light linden]

that's not what I thought

[split mortar]

If i get the correct god essence can it be gay or trans

[spare pier]

The Crimson is Every Single Fucking God Together

[raven brook]

they can form something sentient

[spare pier]

But like ok I get what you mean

[spare pier]

You mean

"Does the Paladins still have the will of their respective evil biomes"

[light linden]

yes

[spare pier]

The question is

I have no fucking idea

[light linden]

never think about it before?

[spare pier]

And you wanna know why?

[dusk laurel]

thunder once again asking for hyper specific information

[spare pier]

Because there's a 99% chance the Slime God is not going to have the evil thematic in the future

Pretty much the entire team dislikes that

[dusk laurel]

yes!!!!

[raven brook]

damn!

[split mortar]

Dam fair enough

[wanton pendant]

Slime God will embrace Feng Shui.

[spare pier]

I think that like

At most evil biomes will be A Part of SG

But it won't be Everything

[dusk laurel]

this is huge for slime god fans

(0)

[spare pier]

Like I could see a direction where Slime God has a bunch of parts from a bunch of biomes

[split mortar]

Fair enough my mind is becoming incomprehensible

[spare pier]

Evils would inevitably be noticeable because they have neat shit in them

But honestly I doubt that's a direction we'll go

[wanton pendant]

Slime God gets a paladin for every biome and they all jump you at once.

[split mortar]

Except hallowed probably

[split mortar]

Fair that sounds scope creep

[wanton pendant]

Queen Slime makes her return... With the steel chair.

[dusk laurel]

i love how universally hated qs is

genuinely one of the worst things ever conceived

[spare pier]

She's a joke

One small issue

She's not funny

All jokes aside that's not really the problem

[wanton pendant]

The problem is that Slime God just kinda does stuff.

[raven brook]

She's also just

a really obnoxious boss

[spare pier]

It's more that Queen Slime is an actual Boss that sucks ass and has the expected brand of Red Humor

[raven brook]

go my spam

[split mortar]

New day new me i wonder what paint tastes like

[wanton pendant]

Sweet.

[spare pier]

The Red Humor is just the icing on top of the shit cake

[raven brook]

its insane to me

that the same updated added both queen slime and empress of light

😭

[spare pier]

Yeah no that's the crazier part

[spare pier]

Not like that's a bad thing

I think that kind of stuff is funny sometimes

[wanton pendant]

Which part did Red make, and which part did Cenx make? Who can tell.

[spare pier]

You Can make a fart joke work

Like lowkey I think poo blocks are kinda fire

[raven brook]

It's just really overdone

[dusk laurel]

qs doesnt have that dawg in her (having any redeeming qualities like music or design or anything else)

[raven brook]

Like its the same like 3 jokes repeated over and over

[raven brook]

qs's music is fine

its not bad

not like

anything fantastic either but its fine

[spare pier]

Because
1 - Sitting on a toilet does that
2 - Building with poo blocks is funny as shit
3 - Fertilizer gives it actual value

[raven brook]

its a goofy song for a goofy boss

[split mortar]

Is queenslime gay or trans

[wanton pendant]

Another bingo!

[spare pier]

Like making a Poo House for someone to live in is objectively funny I think

[split mortar]

New day i had to get that checked off

[wanton pendant]

Three minutes in.

[dusk laurel]

right its midnight for the isles

[wanton pendant]

Is that a new record?

Careful.

[split mortar]

Probably not

[wanton pendant]

Man, I don't have a bingo board to speedrun.

[spare pier]

Specially in Terraria because like

[split mortar]

Gotta be more repetitive then ig

[spare pier]

You have all sorts of NPC Dungeons and fucked houses

But nothing beats making an Actual House out of Shit

[split mortar]

Shit furniture when

[wanton pendant]

Ah, makes sense, I'm too much of a wild card.

[spare pier]

Also ngl

It's not that it's overdone

It's that you only find it in media which actively panders for children and make these jokes just for the sake of trying to get laughs out of them

[raven brook]

Oh no i mean in terraria specifically

50 different boulders

[spare pier]

It's a cheap way of trying to keep child engagement

Oh right

[raven brook]

Spider boulders get a pass though

[spare pier]

I think Boulders are fine tbh

[raven brook]

because they mean i can more easily get the wall creeper banner in hardmode 😎

[spare pier]

They only really got a movement in 1.4.5

Before that it was just the normal one

And Cactus

Which I STILL THINK ARE PERFECTLY FINE

I STILL THINK UNDERGROUND DESERT IS A COOL ASS BIOME AND NOT OVERTUNED

Seriously I always see people going like

"But Cactus Boulders :("

Bro

Do you know

What a hook is?

[split mortar]

Two block wall:

[dusk laurel]

honestly, never had too much of an issue with traps

[spare pier]

"There are too many enemies!!"

Bro

[wanton pendant]

Literally having your eyes open.

[spare pier]

Just

[dusk laurel]

theyre just kinda funny or annoying from time to time

[spare pier]

Don't drop on them?

[split mortar]

Piercing or take your time

[dusk laurel]

yk what i have a problem with? the fucking worldgen of this game

[spare pier]

The Underground Desert is perfectly built to let you jump into rooms only after clearing them

[dusk laurel]

you have the evil v (the most horrible thing conceived by relogic ever) and every single structure in the game

[spare pier]

The Dungeon is good shut up

The Temple isn't

And The Evil V is

Yeah the Evil V is just bad

Awful

[wanton pendant]

I remember that it sometimes made an X instead.

[split mortar]

Temple is just like
Dungeon but worse and in reverse???
Evil v is hell for others

[spare pier]

I do personally hold that Terraria is a really well designed game

Except everything between Wall of Flesh and Golem

I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking there

[dusk laurel]

hm is certainly uh

something

[spare pier]

Like, Cultist and Moon Lord are good

But they have some pretty noticeable flaws

[split mortar]

I think hm suffers from having like 3 dif final updates in it

[spare pier]

Actually honestly it's just

Not being able to skip Pillars

And Moon Lord just being

Bad

[spare pier]

Nah, there are bigger issues

Much bigger issues

[dusk laurel]

you have 4 upgraded versions of phm bosses for the beginning, then you have a jungle boss and then immediately after another jungle boss, then theres the bosses before cultist, then theres ml

genuinely 2 jungle bosses right next to each other is crazy

[spare pier]

I think the Mechs are fine personally

The Twins are massively different from EoC and Destroyer... Had potential

Skeletron Prime is the only one I think is pretty uninspired

[wanton pendant]

I have been thinking an issue with Terraria that mods tend to make very, very apparent is the lack of gap between bosses as time goes on.

[dusk laurel]

twins are the best of the 3 yeah

like theyre the only one i like to fight

[spare pier]

Twins, Duke and Empress to me are like

The Holy Trinity of Terraria

[wanton pendant]

This is also what I think is the main reason you don't see any real good quality modpack for Terraria like you do for Minecraft.

[spare pier]

Twins actually pick EoC, an already pretty good fight, and give it a bunch of unique things that build up on it while still being extremely unique

It's imo one of the best examples of "Boss But Again" out there

[wanton pendant]

It's getting out of hand, now there are two of them!

[manic coral]

yeah no they're absolutely the three best bosses in vanilla terraria imo

[wanton pendant]

Surely then, the best course of action is to do Twins again, but this time there are three.

[spare pier]

Destroyer had potential imo

[wanton pendant]

And then do it again.

[spare pier]

But they just

Fucked it up royally

And Prime... Well, I actually think Rev + Prime (BEFORE BOUNTIFUL HARVEST) was a great fight

I actually think that Fabsol's Mechs were overall fine

Until they weren't

Like before Bountiful Harvest imo they were some of the best fights in the mod

Honestly to me the part that stings the most about Fab's Bosses is that he knew how to do shit sometimes

Rev + Plantera was cool I liked that one

It's just that 99% of the time he was making Foveanator

[raven brook]

Rolling cactus are cool

They have an actual gameplay function and aren't just Haha.. Bould

[icy veldt]

Seems kinda like a "monkey at a typewriter replicating a Shakespearean play" moment

[raven brook]

I don't have anything explicitly against hte new boulders but it is kinda obnoxious to me 😭

I wouldn't want them removed or anything it's just like

mildly annoying like sitting to a kid who wont stop making skibidi toilet jokes or something

thats the energy

[wanton pendant]

'...and then she leaves piles of ash that damage the player with a hitbox three times taller than the sprite!? Damn you, monkey!'

[leaden bridge]

this would be correct

[dusk laurel]

fabsol choosing to not improve anything that he made for as long as possible will forever baffle me

[raven brook]

spider boulders are an exception because they let me get the banner .

that one gets a pass thanks for the spider boulders

[leaden bridge]

through 9 years of vibing out and half copying crap vanilla or other games do he was always going to eventually stumble into a boss that wasnt fucking abysmal shit, but it does not speak of his abilities to do anything

[spare pier]

I do actually think that like

The Mechs were fine for most of their existence

[leaden bridge]

he doesn't seem to like the idea of improving

[spare pier]

For a good few years they were ok

[icy veldt]

Basically just vibe coding, but with a carbon-based LLM instead of a silicon-based one

[spare pier]

Until he decided that nope

[dusk laurel]

because like hes shown that somehow he can make something thats like... "passable" for modern standards but he chose to not do that and stay in his ways

[spare pier]

I'm going to make Skeletron Prime spawn the other two Mechs!

[leaden bridge]

mechs were good because they were vanilla derivatives and the more fabsol tried wacky neew things the worse they got

[late sparrow]

My guess is he wanted it to be "exxo avalon core" or w/e

[leaden bridge]

he'd rationalize it like that but he was also just bad lol

[late sparrow]

True

[wanton pendant]

Where's the alternate timeline where Fabsol was competent? What would that look like?

[late sparrow]

Although "not too appealing by design = soulful" DOES happen, it's never happened with his work

[leaden bridge]

hes been coding the same way since like 2018 iirc like just stagnant

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

[split mortar]

Cant believe fabsol is stopping world progress

[wanton pendant]

FABSOL COULD CURE CANCER!?

AND MAKE FLYING CARS!?

[leaden bridge]

"fabsol but competent" is a very hard hypothethical to engage with because the mod would be very drastically different

[late sparrow]

He donates to homeless shelters and small puppies in this one

[dusk laurel]

yeah everything would be different

like genuinely i dont think itd resemble calamity at all

[feral dagger]

woulda been calamity 3.0 alr 😔

[late sparrow]

would this be the case where he was competent from the start?

[leaden bridge]

the web of history that makes up calamity as it is today is absurdly complex and if he had been competent all along it'd be changed in ways very hard to predict

[wanton pendant]

This is also an interesting question. What if Fabsol suddenly became competent post-rewrite.

[late sparrow]

He was visited by three spirits

[leaden bridge]

you'd have a better profaned guardians rework and a ceaseless that doesn't make people want to shoot themselves in the balls

[late sparrow]

"Make calamity good... don't be transphobic... cure cancer..."

[icy veldt]

Principle of explosion moment

[leaden bridge]

how does calamity lore channel feel about marriagable clint in stardew valley 1.7

[wanton pendant]

Was that the blacksmith?

[dusk laurel]

uhhhh i havent played stardew yet i need to...

[leaden bridge]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Ew.

[leaden bridge]

there's a lot of reddit digital ink spilled over clint's character and it's going to be really funny seeing 1.7 retcon a good chunk of that unless eric keeps him an incel through romance and marriage?

[wanton pendant]

You can lead a horse to water...

[leaden bridge]

would there be a dragon of love or would it be a god and in either case which would be the domain of the dragon/god in question

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Love, God of Romance.

[leaden bridge]

seems reasonable

[agile matrix]

god of drama

[spare pier]

I think his ultimate flaw was a complete inability to understand why things were fun

He was completely deaf to how game design worked and thought that if he found something fun, it was a universal truth

[leaden bridge]

yharim walking on to the mysterious grand theater that plopped up in the middle of a valley out of nowhere he goes inside and its this trobbio ass fucking guy god of drama and hes comically competent and yharim just has to humor the bitch while trying to murder him

[spare pier]

At the same time, if something was unfun, it should be scraped off the face of the Earth

It's how things like Adrenaline got made

[wanton pendant]

This happened in DMC4.

[spare pier]

Or why Yharon lost his Phase 2 rebirth

[raven brook]

And once again everything in rooted in him being yharim

[spare pier]

TRUE

[raven brook]

Yharim is a extremely delusional villain who thinks of himself as the hero of the story and is incapable of accepting being wrong or actually doing introspection.

[wanton pendant]

His whole theme being coming back from the dead, who cares about that.

[spare pier]

No man you don't get it

Malenia doesn't show me she has a Phase 2

So I'm going to annihilate anything that doesn't tell me exactly how much HP the Boss has

[leaden bridge]

but armstrong yharim does this and its hype? erm

[dusk laurel]

10 million avalon and mgrr references

[leaden bridge]

a fun fabsol fact is that he never knew what to dow ith yharim

[spare pier]

He wanted to copy Armstrong and Minos and that's it

[leaden bridge]

theres like 10 pages worth of fabsol talking about noxus or xeroc fight plans but with yharim theres nothing

its just him saying armstrong minos

[spare pier]

Surely that would work

[wanton pendant]

When Ganondorf from Wind Waker was right there.

[spare pier]

You can clearly translate a 3D Boss into a 2D plane perfectly!

[leaden bridge]

fabsol would never play a kiddie game like wind waker

[spare pier]

The worst part is I know he'd walk back on Minos because he really doesn't like ULTRAKILL anymore

[dusk laurel]

oh right he said that

[leaden bridge]

wholesome

[dusk laurel]

i remember him ranting in cut abt that

[spare pier]

I'm shocked he ever liked Minos to begin with when Flesh Prison exists

[dusk laurel]

truly an individual

[agile matrix]

ive seen it: lucille karma

[spare pier]

Where?

[leaden bridge]

remember when he felt the need to publicly announce to his audience he didnt like story of red cloud anymore

[spare pier]

I'm pretty sure most of her inspirations are from 2D games

[wanton pendant]

There was that mod that made a 3D Terraria boss.

[agile matrix]

they had a math boss in dev for a bit that used parallax

[leaden bridge]

thats not what

,

[agile matrix]

they faked 3d

[spare pier]

That's

Not what I mean

[split mortar]

Not what we on about

[agile matrix]

aah

my mistake

[spare pier]

Like, most barebones example ever

Minos' homing projectile

Why does it work?

[split mortar]

Not on about using paralax or anything
Literally a boss made for a 3D game like ultrakill minos or mgrr armstrong but its now in 2D and piss coloured

With fabsolian code

[agile matrix]

i mean in some cases its okay
in Fabsolian its not

[spare pier]

1 - Sharp homing allows it to hit you from anywhere and easily enter/leave your peripheral vision
2 - The parry makes so that attack is a reliable source of regeneration
3 - Judging the distance is key to accurately parrying the projectile, something that cannot be replicated when there's no depth

None of these can be replicated in Terraria

[wanton pendant]

I can see how the feeling of Armstrong could potentially be recreated.
Not by Fabsol, though.

[spare pier]

Armstrong is an even worse case ngl

[agile matrix]

where is armstrong’s type of attacks used in calamity might i ask

not arguing against i am genuinely curious

[wanton pendant]

Contact damage.

[spare pier]

Nowhere

Wanna know why?

All of his attacks either take massive advantage of the 3D plane or rely on MGRR's signature Blade Mode

[agile matrix]

there was already enough mgr that any more and the game would be a mgr game

[agile matrix]

was there an attempt to add it though?

[raven brook]

Ok so like a dash

what ur asking for is a dash attack

[wanton pendant]

Like sure, having the boss throw projectiles you can destroy is totally doable. But it's not quite the same as how Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance did it.

[raven brook]

bcuz t hats how u translate armstrong's attack into 2d terraria

[agile matrix]

what abt his flarepillar attack

you cant really have a windup on a flat background thats not also pretty easy to dodge unless its really rapid

[raven brook]

No that's perfectly doable

Windups aren't a 3d exclusive thing

[wanton pendant]

There's a difference between porting 1-to-1 versions of his attacks into 2D and recreating the feeling of the fight.

[raven brook]

But armstrong itself is a fight completely d esigned around the game its a part of

U can't just

[leaden bridge]

the pillar attack is probably the easiest to properly recreate

games do it all the time

lucille has done it like fifty times in inf

[raven brook]

Port a boss from another game with different mechanics entirely into another and just expect it wto wrok which

[spare pier]

The pillar attack can be recreated visually but that's it

[raven brook]

seems like the mindset fabsol had 😭

[spare pier]

Like I think that's something a lot of people just don't pay attention to

[raven brook]

"minos/armstrong" ok but

[agile matrix]

in the way a 3d game would? where you need to interpret your distance and where you’regonna go ?

[spare pier]

You can, almost always, visually replicate an attack

[raven brook]

what does that mean

[leaden bridge]

no

[wanton pendant]

The hard part is making it feel good, you know?

[spare pier]

If it's a 3D game, you can almost never replicate the actual function the attack and what makes it work

[leaden bridge]

but like you can have the little indicator spawn below you and then you move away and its kind of like the thing but translated to 2d so

[agile matrix]

that would accomplish the same method but not the same cause(? similar word)

[wanton pendant]

Like, Armstrong is a boss that's a bulky, hard hitting but pretty slow moving boss.
In Terraria, you could just fly and shoot him to death over the course of ten minutes.
Doesn't really give the same feeling as in the original game.

[raven brook]

It's not really just about that

[spare pier]

"Pretty slow moving" my ass

[edgy frigate]

Yharim talk?

[wanton pendant]

He does.

[split mortar]

Fabsol talk as well

[edgy frigate]

Awesome

[leaden bridge]

to his credit he never did this! except his noxus prototype that sat on the repo for like 8 years it contains a 1:1 copy of multiple of hush's attacks

[agile matrix]

like you cant dodge in front of the boss, since its a flat wall

[spare pier]

He has like three attacks that explicitly are

[agile matrix]

you need to go above it

[spare pier]

Speed blitzes you

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, there we can use the stock Boss charge sound effect.

[light linden]

hey laura I got another dumb question

[raven brook]

A boss in a 3d game will, well, take advantage of the fact it's a 3d game, beyond just the actual mechanics of the game it self and how it works

You just can't really replicate that in a 2d game because the attack will inherently just function differently

Cuz. yk.

its 2d

the attack is no longer designed around the player having 3d movement

[agile matrix]

fighting a flat wall on the wall vs fighting four walls while being able to move

[raven brook]

and again thats not accounting for the actual mechanics of said games

[light linden]

is the abyss being somewhat sulphurous messing with silva regrowing?

[spare pier]

Shoot

[spare pier]

Nah

Not really

[raven brook]

isnt the entire point that hte abyss isn't sulphurous

[spare pier]

The very first layer is

[wanton pendant]

It all floats to the top.

[raven brook]

like the fumes are basically gone by the point u reach the lower layers due to the cleansing nature of many of the organisms

[wanton pendant]

And the rest gets eaten.

[light linden]

I feel like it has to at least have higher than normal sulphur levels

[spare pier]

But like either way, if it reached that deep, her corpse could probably filter it

[light linden]

but yeah

[raven brook]

yeah its basically just sulphuric depths which is in effect just a transition zone between sulph sea and abyss anyways

[agile matrix]

ignoring the part where your glass would explode, would the t4 abyss water be clean/good for you

[light linden]

I ain't sure where her corpse is

[spare pier]

And either wat

[wanton pendant]

And Azafure is gone, so it's not making more pollutants, just whatever smog is left from the incident.

[raven brook]

ok to answer this question

very simple

[leaden bridge]

dk how deep oceanic waters really move but

[wanton pendant]

Not at all.

You can't drink salt water.

[raven brook]

do you think getting a cup of open ocean water is good for you

[spare pier]

It wouldn't be even on her Top 3 probleme

[leaden bridge]

itd be deep ocean water

[agile matrix]

idk

[raven brook]

it's not just salt

[leaden bridge]

probably very salty and filled with nasty particles

[agile matrix]

surface water no

[spare pier]

The answer is no