lore-discussion

[raven brook]

its just because its the jade palace

thats it

[worldly girder]

Cogcloak seems so funny cause have those two even met

[raven brook]

[raven brook]

Ok so here's the thing

they haven't

but they're fucking perfect for eachother

[green prairie]

what item is that?

[raven brook]

the more you think about it the more you realize holy shit they'd get along so damn well

[worldly girder]

They are but still

[agile matrix]

monolith

[green prairie]

oh got it

[agile matrix]

Elden Diorama

[raven brook]

Elden Diorama, monolith dropped by old duke to activate the acid storm effect that was added to his fight in brainstorm

[simple tangle]

Whos cog

[raven brook]

cog is draedon

[green prairie]

counterpoint shipping characters that have never met and/or would hate each other is really funny

[raven brook]

cloth is sigma

i mean signusa

[untold forge]

woah

[dusk laurel]

the jade palace...

[raven brook]

and hten the other one is this

which may or may not have some actual od lore hidden between the brainrot it speaks

[worldly girder]

Sigma phonk signus 🥶

[raven brook]

but at the very least it still references it through visual design and name

[green prairie]

waiting for the wiki to update with all of its new silly dialogue

[dusk laurel]

eating babies for sport

[raven brook]

man i'm really interested in od's new design because like

he's one of those bosses thats being entirely remade

in terms of design

like polterghast style

it's gonna be completely different from current od and im very intrigued by its

[green prairie]

i saw the concept art back when that was around, is that still gonna be used?

[worldly girder]

Signus resprite still so fucking funny

[raven brook]

specially cuz, while hes not in my top 5,

i do think od (atleast for the unreleased lore) is actually a p interesting character

ingame he sucks though

[worldly girder]

They just made him look good and didn't change the design at all

[raven brook]

😭

[raven brook]

no need ot change what's already perfect

[simple tangle]

Jared is also planned to change right

[raven brook]

😌

[raven brook]

yeah

both him and normal eidolons

[dusk laurel]

scrapped

[raven brook]

they'll look more like actual sea serpent draconic creatures

and primwyrm specially

[green prairie]

so glad the name jared has stuck after like 7 years

[raven brook]

will have more of like

ancient mystical nature creature elements

[dusk laurel]

old duke wont be a fishron anymore

[raven brook]

both to tie in the "primordial" aspect

[simple tangle]

The desubnautification of Jared

[raven brook]

and also the silva aspect

[worldly girder]

I hope they do still retain some of their current design tbh

[raven brook]

ghost leviathan

[worldly girder]

Like, not too too different because it is a very fitting design

[agile matrix]

i do like Ghost Leviathans

[green prairie]

oh i see is it gonna be like a proper dragon now?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[worldly girder]

You see this is the opposite of a bad thing

[dusk laurel]

probably a chinese lung dragon

[raven brook]

I think it's a pretty bad thing because it's like

not even inspired

it's actually just plagiraism

[worldly girder]

Uhhh

[green prairie]

wait like dragon dragon like once protected the world Dragon or just dragon

[worldly girder]

It's similarly shaped now

[simple tangle]

OG jared was LITERALLY just ghost leviathan

[raven brook]

It's literally ghost leviathan with abyss rocks and crystals throw onto pof it

[split mortar]

Ghost leviathan with oreo crumbs is not good design

[worldly girder]

Yeah OG one was

[raven brook]

Dragon, just not Auric

[simple tangle]

And current one is just armored Ghost Leviathan

[worldly girder]

Yeah but retain the design a lil

[green prairie]

all of the stuff with dragon offshoots is really interesting to me

[raven brook]

I can't lie atleast to me there is

[dusk laurel]

what is the point

[raven brook]

nothing of value in the current eidolon wyrm design

[woeful karma]

read this as armored core im too rotted

[raven brook]

It is literally just ghost leviathan with abyss rock armor ontop

[woeful karma]

yeah

its not a "very fitting shape" youre just used to it

[simple tangle]

Worm

[worldly girder]

Alr lmfao

[raven brook]

Triangle dropped some of his inspos for eidolon redesigns in the future

Iirc it included Basking Sharks and Ceadeus

idrm the rest

[worldly girder]

Ew

[dusk laurel]

shin godzilla iirc

[worldly girder]

not ew

[raven brook]

Don't you dare say ew to him ever again

He's fucking awesome

[worldly girder]

Nah he's dope

Basking Sharks are ew

[green prairie]

i wonder if any draconic offshoots have been domesticated by terrarian people?

[raven brook]

maybe

i mean

[dusk laurel]

i love this thing

[green prairie]

yeah that feels a lot more accurate to what jared is

[worldly girder]

Eh

[raven brook]

alot of the more "derived" offshoots are just

[worldly girder]

I don't want Jared with beard

[raven brook]

animals basically

[raven brook]

This is for eidolon wyrms generally

not jared specifically

[obsidian plume]

the dude gave me high risk arthritis from fighting him on the 3ds, jared is gonna bring ptsd :(

[green prairie]

ohh i thought this was for just prim wyrm

[raven brook]

jared instead will have more of primordial ancient spirit elements

primordial nature spirit* brain fart

eidolons and jarede will generally have, a similar desing of course

but jared will have noticeably idfferences

to just look

more ancient

and also to incorporate silva in its desing

[dusk laurel]

the silva blessing yeah

[raven brook]

cuz neither the placeholde r design rn nor the previous one do that

(cuz they were designed for old lore which didnt have anything to do with silva. nor where they even dragons

they wre just unexplained weird deep sea glupshits

[worldly girder]

Isn’t the design implemented in Thai update like not even a new sprite at all

[raven brook]

yeah

[worldly girder]

I feel like I’ve seen it a while ago

[raven brook]

its just a sprite that was already made and it was added cuz like

[dusk laurel]

heart felt like it

[raven brook]

eh why not it looks better than the current one and its just sitting in the bvack not doing anything

[worldly girder]

Yea ofc but like how old is it

[dusk laurel]

2 years at least

[raven brook]

older than the current lore at minimum

idk the specifics

like its Old old

[worldly girder]

Some sort of old worm

[green prairie]

this isnt related to eidolon wyrms but i just noticed that dragonfolly is weak to everything except being wet ironically (i cant read it resists electricity im tired leave me alone)

[raven brook]

which like you can tell because that shit dont look like a dragon in the slightest thats like a fucking alien ghoul from hell

[green prairie]

poor baby 💔

[worldly girder]

Says resistant to electricity tbf- damnit I was too late

[green prairie]

if dragonfolly not friend why friend shaped

[split mortar]

Because fukc you

[raven brook]

GO MY VULTURES

[worldly girder]

I assume Folly mount will have to be changed for the tier shift to be pretty much the same as queen bee mount

[raven brook]

DEVOUR THEM ALL

SWARM THEM

[worldly girder]

😭

[green prairie]

oh right i forgot folly is gonna become post-evil 1

[worldly girder]

(Peak)

[simple tangle]

What if Calamitas hadnt nuked Ilmeria

[green prairie]

no desert scourge

[raven brook]

thatd be cool and good

[worldly girder]

Would probably still be there. Hope this helps!

[split mortar]

Theref be more desert scourges whuh

[raven brook]

[raven brook]

There'd be more species the desert scourge belongs to but probably wasnt called desert scourge because they didnt live in the desert

😭

iirc the actual name of the species is like

great illmeran scourge or smth i forgot

atleast its an proposal someone had for it

[dusk laurel]

iirc you made that

[raven brook]

a lore writer. i think it was laura, idrm

[dusk laurel]

loke

[split mortar]

😭

[raven brook]

nah mine was different

[dusk laurel]

like last tear

[simple tangle]

Thanks .

[raven brook]

i think

i know laura made one too

maybe im confusing hers and mine

let me see actually

search bar here i go

[green prairie]

were they largely passive when they lived in illmeria or were they actual scourges?

[raven brook]

Ok well

laura's name and mine were largely identical

mine was great illmeran scourge

laura's was

colossal illmeran scourge

so like y eah same shit different ass

[split mortar]

Thered still be predators cause
The species is predator iirc

[dusk laurel]

i was right

smhsmh

[raven brook]

They were still predators

Yharin is notably not good at biology

[green prairie]

iirc they only feed on like. tiny plankton and stuff dont they?

[raven brook]

Whether they were hostile is another story

[green prairie]

i may be misremembering

[raven brook]

Yharim moment

[simple tangle]

Current lore Desert Scourge is like some kinda reptile right

[split mortar]

What bird would yharim say this is

[raven brook]

It's not even him trying to manipulate you this time cuz why would he lie about that

He's just kinda fucking really dumb at biology

Liek that's an actual character trait of his he did not get good grades in bio class

He probably like

knew Aquatic Scourges were filter feeders

and assumed it was the same for desert scourges

but yeah no they're predators

keep in mind

DS did not evolve

cuz thats not how evolution works

its the exact same being it was before genetically specially cuz evolution dosent happen in individuals but rather, through lineages

it just adapted

so heres the problem right:

how the fuck would a filter feeder that only ate plankton adapt to actually hunt hard-bodied insects and eat hard cacti like it does now 😭

Triangle iirc also talked about some of his plans regarding this stuff before

[green prairie]

yeah i wasnt caught up on desert scourge sorry

[simple tangle]

DS is prolly malnourished asf right

[raven brook]

The reason DS mostly feed in antlions now is because in its natural enviroment, it mostly fed on hard-bodied crustaceans

[obsidian plume]

nerd🫵

[raven brook]

not rly

its doing pretty good actually

[raven brook]

proudly

im jane biology

[dusk laurel]

too much cacti and antlions

[raven brook]

It has no competition whatsoever and it has a massive overabundance of food

why would it be starving lul

[split mortar]

How many fucking antlions and cacti exist

[obsidian plume]

i love biology too tbf, nice spiel👍

[tepid marten]

At least 2

[green prairie]

its not starving but it looks a little thirsty

[split mortar]

How would cryogen do at making ice tea

[tepid marten]

I mean cacti have water in them, I’m sure it’s not doing awful

[obsidian plume]

permafrost flavoured iced tea

[raven brook]

Ok fair it is probably a bit drier than before

But it's not like,

suffering per say

It's doing fairly well

[green prairie]

it'd probably be more iced than tea at that point

[raven brook]

Again, through discussions devs had here (notably triangle since he did alot of the sso ecology worldbuilding)

We know DS's species

generally lived in the upper layers of illmeris and already spent a somewhat significant portion of its life oon land as is

idk if youve seen the teasers of the redesign but it helps contextualize this

they were crocodiles, basically

in their lifestyle

so what desert scourge is living through rn is basically like

[woeful karma]

.... what ilmeran scourge....

[agile matrix]

itd be kinda cool if DS (current implementation) divebombed antlions underground

[woeful karma]

,,

[green prairie]

i think ive seen a tiny glimpse of it? they have little fins now dont they

[raven brook]

"what if the crocodile's lake dried up so it just kinda had to walk around on ladn to eat shit"

[raven brook]

not fins, legs

you might've seen the scrapped blue design

that one had fins

[worldly girder]

I feel like Aquatic Scourge looks a tad too normal for being in caustic water constantly

Like yeah he’s geen but that’s kinda it

[simple tangle]

Do they predate on Dune Splicers n shit

[raven brook]

DS got entirely redesigned, and AS aswell as the Sunken Scourge enemy for sso will all gget a similar treatment to be clearly identifiable as related animals, but distinct enough to be clearly idstinct species

They're all reptiles now

A species o lizard-like creature basically

[green prairie]

the death of everyone being a worm...

[raven brook]

desert socurge takes heavy inspiration from crocodiles, armadillo lizards and balahara from monster hunter

[raven brook]

from the bestiary entry mostly antlions

[green prairie]

ooh i love armadillo lizards

[raven brook]

which makes sense cuz theyre probably the closest thing they have to their og prey

insects, crustaceans

yk close enough

[simple tangle]

No more crabs....they all got fried or are now trippin right

[raven brook]

there's still some crabs

[thick slate]

mmm fried crab

[raven brook]

but the species ds speciifcally hunted is probably extinct by now

[tepid marten]

Fried crabulon

[raven brook]

hermititans still exist

which r crabulon's species

[worldly girder]

So DS and AS won’t be quite the same species?

[raven brook]

but they live in deeper waters

[simple tangle]

Oh yea theres the lil scavenger guys right

[green prairie]

that'd probably taste pretty good actually if you take out the infection

[raven brook]

They always were separate species, or

well

always were int he new lore

They are related, not the same animal

In old lore they used to b directly the same species and it was kinda wacky

[worldly girder]

So they weren’t always separate species

[simple tangle]

Shark vs whale shark

[raven brook]

point is this isn't really a change

its been this way since hte lore got rewritten

[worldly girder]

Ya

Idk how I feel about non-worm scourge but that’s cool ig

[simple tangle]

DS outscales DoG

[raven brook]

Aquatic Scoruges are a oceanic species that filter feeds much like a whale and r kinda just #chill

Desert Scourge is a member of a now highly endangere dspecies that lived on the top layers of the sunken sea and had a predatory, crocodile-like lifestyle

there's also Sunken Scourges which were gonna be a enemy introduced in sso, or well, still will be eventually

They're a much smaller species of scourge that lives in the deeper waters of the sunken sea, acting as pack-hunting predators

[woeful karma]

you feel GOOD

[simple tangle]

Bull shark vs whale shark ig?

[raven brook]

i think a good comparison would be like

as is a whale shark yeah

ds (and its species) are like great whites i suppose

sunken scourges are like

[worldly girder]

So same species that got separated and evolved separately?

[raven brook]

blacktips

[raven brook]

yeah though its worth noting

the "separation" isnt because of the illmeris incineration or anything

[green prairie]

i wonder if old terrarians treated desert scourges like how current floridians treat crocodiles

[simple tangle]

Yall should give AS redesign a buncha barnacles around its body

[wanton pendant]

Eventually, pretty much everything is like that if you go far enough.

[simple tangle]

And parasites n shit

[raven brook]

which is a mistake people oftne make thinkign the scourges r all like diff branches coming from the incineration

[worldly girder]

And the fight is actually to get the barnacles off instead of killing it

[woeful karma]

fuck you now im imagining floridian ilmeris

[raven brook]

theyre just species from a family that involved indepentendly over thousands of years just like

yk

how animals evolve irl lo

[simple tangle]

You. Keep cooking

[green prairie]

the desert is calamityverse's florida to me now

[long bloom]

astrum deus

[tepid marten]

I’m thinking of a guy dancing with the desert scourge and that’s truly an image

[woeful karma]

amidias in khaki shorts and a t shirt about fishing 😭

[worldly girder]

Oh yeah Astrum Deus is staying a worm right?

[raven brook]

yeah

astrum deus, devourer and weaver r all probably staying worms

[green prairie]

"scourges fear me. wife fish"

[raven brook]

scourges r getting "dewormed" in their design

but will tsill be segmented enemies

[woeful karma]

TRUE?

[worldly girder]

Oh, odd

[raven brook]

(thoguh they will have entirely unique behavior not like generic worm bosses)

we know desert scourge will like

climb walls

[simple tangle]

Amidias used to wrestle Desert Scourges

[raven brook]

cuz yk

its a big lizard guy

lizard crocodile creaturoid

[worldly girder]

Seems like DoG is just getting de-eatered

[green prairie]

now i imagine amidias as being REALLY aussie in his accent which is really funny

[tepid marten]

Is there concept art of that yet or nah

[raven brook]

We've seen some small teasers of it

But no full looks

Unfortunately prob won't for a while now that sso is likely getting delayed but, EVENTUALLY .

[long bloom]

leg

[raven brook]

I imagine aquatic scourge will be a generallly similarly reptilian design but have clear indication its species if far more adapted for a fully marine lifestyle

like

[tepid marten]

Sometime between now and the heat death of the universe

[woeful karma]

the most popular form of transport in ilmeris is one of these things

[raven brook]

probably actual fins

instead of legs

[woeful karma]

going out in the bayou to choot some scourges....

[raven brook]

and also yeah

i can imagine it looking a bit more mutated

aquatic scourges as a whole are a oceangoing species

but our specific as

[worldly girder]

Is that Mauler respite still happening

[raven brook]

seems to have liek. gotten stuck on the sulphur sea or something

so its probably

mutated a bit

[wanton pendant]

You gotta get one of these bad boys to drive in Ilmeris.

[raven brook]

compared to other members of its species

[raven brook]

yeah

[green prairie]

need art of amidias and sir nautilus in one of these. the boys deserve a fishing trip

[worldly girder]

The this!!!

[split mortar]

Great white shark vs desert scourge

[woeful karma]

my theory about how the sea stays sulphurous is that its actually an almost completely separated lagoon

[raven brook]

im ngl i think desert scourge mogs

[woeful karma]

maybe it got washed in by a freak wave and is too big to get back out

[raven brook]

reason:

its a giant fucking fantasy animal

this is like pitching a monster hunter mosnter vs a irl dinosaur

[worldly girder]

See this looks like an actual creature that lives in a caustic ocean

[split mortar]

Damn

Megalodon vs desert scourge

[raven brook]

tbf alot of the sulphur sea creatures are like, acutally evolved to live on it

cuz

funny silva go br

[simple tangle]

I think a Meg just wins with size no?

[raven brook]

she speeds up life's ability to adapt in there alot

[split mortar]

And that its been happening for ages so evolution happenedp

[raven brook]

so stuff can even evolve rly quickly to things like. the water being fucking acidic

[split mortar]

Idk

[raven brook]

not to say i think the sulphur sea stuff should look boring or anything

but i will saay that they're not ALL suffering in agony pain necessarily

more so

the uh

nuclear waste

thats the actual bad part

its much more recent and even with silva's essence its uhh

[worldly girder]

Yea

[raven brook]

a bit

harder to adapt

to fucking

Nuclear Waste Poisoning

[worldly girder]

Who did that again?

[raven brook]

the toxicatfish entry is a good look into this

[split mortar]

Draedon

[tepid marten]

Draedon

[raven brook]

they were actually very well adapted for the water's acidity

[split mortar]

Draedon dumped the nukes there

[raven brook]

and didn't really suffer from it

[worldly girder]

Draedom 😳

[raven brook]

theylived comfortable as ambush predators in there

but uhhhh

[split mortar]

Explode

[tepid marten]

Yk cause fuckign ecosystems is his thing

[raven brook]

when draedon dumped his radioactivity garbage in there

[simple tangle]

Desert Dcourge vs Reaper Leviathan

[raven brook]

yeah they kinda got fucked over

[wanton pendant]

Draedon gets a bit quirky when he has surplus nuclear waste.

[raven brook]

and now the toxicatfish is slowly decaying into extinction and the few surviving members are literally getting brain poisoning that makes them extremely hostile to the point its borderline suicidal

😭

[worldly girder]

[split mortar]

Draedon da fuck

[green prairie]

could you fucking imagine if he kept doing that. what in the world would sulphuric sea creatures + miracle matter waste look like

[worldly girder]

Anything for science

[woeful karma]

silva giving sulph sea creatures lead-lined bones:

[wanton pendant]

Don't give him ideas.

[split mortar]

Do not lead the fish

[spare pier]

WRONG

I removed that

Because it SUCKED

[woeful karma]

i dont think you can adapt to that
at all

[spare pier]

AND NO ONE LIKED IT

[raven brook]

what di you remove

[split mortar]

Wait lead bones were real

[woeful karma]

removed what

[raven brook]

wait wre lead bones a thing

:sob

[spare pier]

The implication that Silva is helping Sulphurous Sea animals

[woeful karma]

😭

oh

[split mortar]

Ah

[agile matrix]

are they not

[long bloom]

yippee!

[agile matrix]

or are sulph sea animals just

really really fucking radiatedf

[woeful karma]

i liked it.,,

[raven brook]

I was under the imrpession her essence just kinda

sped up evolution

[green prairie]

yharim did (probably)

[worldly girder]

Yeah that sounds cool what

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/bonnie-boniface-in-stars-and-time-isat-gif-15292746020297777217

[spare pier]

When I added that literally every single person I knew disliked it

[raven brook]

which is why things there adapted so fucking fast to shit like Sulphuric Acid within the span of like

a few hundred years

[agile matrix]

i was under the impression the Radiation did that

[woeful karma]

yeah

[agile matrix]

if you didnt adapt, you died

[spare pier]

BITCH YOU COMPLAINED ABOUT IT TOO FUCK YOU MEAN

[worldly girder]

Yeah that makes no sense otherwise

[agile matrix]

and if you did, you reproduced

[spare pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704694434964439071/1284577245796634675/cat_gets_splash_stupid_idot.gif

[wanton pendant]

They're still eating her remains to get big, right?

[raven brook]

Like ok yeah

[split mortar]

😭

[worldly girder]

Idk why you would change that

[raven brook]

silva directly helping is kinda weird icl

[woeful karma]

i have no recollection of this

[raven brook]

but i think just her essence

speeding up evolution

makes sense

[agile matrix]

you have like Five Days to NOT die to radioactive fumes

[raven brook]

and is directly still a thing in the abyss

[split mortar]

#lore-discussion message

[spare pier]

That's Colossal Squids

[wanton pendant]

Good. More squid.

[worldly girder]

Just cause people are dummy doesn't mean it's bad

[spare pier]

Like, bro

I remember when I wrote that

Azzy disliked it

[wanton pendant]

Means more calimari.
The harvest will be bountiful.

[spare pier]

Octo disliked it

[worldly girder]

Damn

[spare pier]

Stip disliked it

Cei disliked it

By that point I was just like

[agile matrix]

the entire council held hate for that

[spare pier]

"Ok damn"

[woeful karma]

where did i say this 😭

[worldly girder]

That's wild cause it's pretty cool lol

[wanton pendant]

It's not cannibalism if it's the Nature Elemental, right?

[woeful karma]

its cool and it makes sense

[spare pier]

I don't remember I just remember that you weren't fond of it

[agile matrix]

what was your exact phrasing on that

[spare pier]

😭

[woeful karma]

past me was tweaking

[agile matrix]

bc you mighta phrased it poorly

[spare pier]

But like

[worldly girder]

This makes sense tho keep this

[spare pier]

Ultimately the implication was that it was Very Direct

[raven brook]

yeah

thats bad

i agree

not good!

[spare pier]

Like she was actively helping the creatures there survive

[woeful karma]

yeah thats bad

[spare pier]

Which no one liked

[raven brook]

just like

[split mortar]

Ye

[worldly girder]

Why is that bad exactly idk Silva characterization

[raven brook]

make it so her presence there just. turbocharges evolution

[agile matrix]

i mean Silva's kinda why Azafure exists right

[wanton pendant]

She's currently soup.

[woeful karma]

shes Dead

[long bloom]

already accomplished with primordial wyrm

[woeful karma]

she should be in a magic coma right now

[split mortar]

She is soup

[spare pier]

Now there's nothing directly pointing at her helping but like

She could

[worldly girder]

Oh uh how long has she been dead

[wanton pendant]

At least a week.

[split mortar]

Good question

[spare pier]

It's not about her characterization

[raven brook]

Cuz yeah otherwise how does this enviroment literally manage to evolve to thrive in Sulphuric Water in a span of a few hundred years at most

[worldly girder]

Like she could have helped them previously but can't anymore cause ded

[spare pier]

Is that it just makes the Sulphurous Sea less interesting

[raven brook]

Yeah i think

[worldly girder]

Hm, alr ig

[agile matrix]

it'd make more sense for anything below silva to be moreso ubercharged (see t3 abyss) and anything above to survive a bit better

[raven brook]

the organisms there actually evolving and stuff

is much cooler than

[worldly girder]

Makes the Mauler sprite make more sense

[raven brook]

god made them evolve, basically

god just uhhhh

[spare pier]

Like the whole thing with the biome is that despite being Hell Torture and fucked up and evil, life still thrives there and manages to find a way

[raven brook]

threw some ibuprofen on the water

🙂‍↕️

[wanton pendant]

'SILVA, HELP US FIGHT YHARIM'S FORCES!'
'No, the fish in this nuclear hellscape need me.'

[raven brook]

so they evolve better

🙂‍↕️ 🙂‍↕️

[spare pier]

If Silva was behind that then the thing is just gone

There's no "life finds a way" it's just

[worldly girder]

Fair nuff, and again the Mauler sprite does make more sense this way

[spare pier]

"Silva helped them"

[worldly girder]

Caustic burns and shit

[agile matrix]

"Hey guys! Here's the Not Dying Juices!"

all the "IM FUCKING BURNING ALIVE FUUUUUUUCKKKK" is gone

[simple tangle]

Is it weird the cal thing im most hyped up for is Master Mode pets n mounts

[woeful karma]

yeah i just think there should be a balance between life finding a way and making it believable that these creatures are not all dead

[raven brook]

master mode weaver pt

mine

now

[worldly girder]

Nah

[woeful karma]

nope

[worldly girder]

We got calval idc

[spare pier]

I mean Calamity pushes biology really fucking far already so like

[green prairie]

oh we're getting proper master pets/mounts?

[split mortar]

I mostly care for the lore ive realised

[spare pier]

I think it's belieavable enough

[woeful karma]

personally what im most hyped for is if someone takes up the curse and makes rev+ moonlord

[spare pier]

Go my Crags Lava Being As Hot As The Sun Statement

Cheese had an aneurysm that day

[raven brook]

i did

[dusk laurel]

i remmeber

[raven brook]

i killed myself 27 times

[dusk laurel]

22

[woeful karma]

i have chosen to take that to be the lowball estimate of a mantis shrimp's punch

[agile matrix]

its like Magcargo

[spare pier]

What's it?

[agile matrix]

2.1.1 do you like Magcargo's dex entry

[spare pier]

The number I mean

[wanton pendant]

Mantis Shrimp are real.

[spare pier]

I know

[raven brook]

i honestly like my fantasy settings better when they feel a bit more grounded in their ecology and stuff..... not necessarily realistic cuz its fuckin Fantasy but just. what im saying is monster hunter monster hnter has spoiled me

[spare pier]

That's

Why I made that entry

[simple tangle]

Calval is cool but idk id love it to see baseCals take on it

[raven brook]

ohhh i love hunting monsters

[raven brook]

monsters!

gotta hunt them!

is that a monster!?!?! HUNT!|

this wild world full of monsters i must rise to hunt, before the sun breaks..... iceborne

[split mortar]

That does not say heat…

[spare pier]

"The Sun's surface isn't a good way of comparing the temperature a Mantis Shrimp can reach, so I'm going to instead compare it to Brimstone Lava"

[woeful karma]

actually wait no i was incorrect sorry

[agile matrix]

you said speed last i checked

[raven brook]

im having another aneurysm what have you done

[split mortar]

This

[simple tangle]

"theres an addon for ot" isnt good enough grahh

[woeful karma]

im choosing to take that as a very big understatement

[agile matrix]

oh i see

[raven brook]

this is what happens when sun heat brimstone alva is mentioned

[split mortar]

Idk maybe a skill issue

[agile matrix]

is it warmer than the surface of the sun or the core of the sun

i gotta ask

[spare pier]

Surface

Well

[raven brook]

stabs you stabs you stabs you stabs you stabs you st abs you stabs you stabs you stabs you stabs you stabs you sta

[split mortar]

Why is that image so big

[spare pier]

Mantis Shrimps can reach temperatures comparable to the Sun's surface

[wanton pendant]

Everyone knows Mantis Shrimp kicks are the ones hotter than the sun's core.

[spare pier]

True...

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/in-stars-and-time-isat-isat-siffrin-isat-thursday-siffrin-gif-5716707661990116915

[wanton pendant]

Apartment Complex? I find it quite simple.

[simple tangle]

Who writes Bestiary

[dusk laurel]

kill waterwraithgaming

now

.

[wanton pendant]

:(

[split mortar]

Omniscient third party

[dusk laurel]

the calamity ninjas

[split mortar]

The lore writers write it

[long bloom]

[woeful karma]

"heats the water to temperatures """"""RIVALLING""""""" the lava of azafure"

[raven brook]

look i knowww i knowww its afantasy setting iknwowww that theres like creatures that can swim in lava and stuff i knowwww but the moment you mention that the lava is as hot as the sun surface my suspension of disbelief is GONE i just cant stop thinking about how is anything alive therew ithout melting. help me helpp helppp tis happenign againn help meee

[woeful karma]

yeah

[dusk laurel]

yeah

[agile matrix]

gimme one second

[woeful karma]

like i can accept people living in a lava city but a lava city hotter than the surface of the sun

???

[wanton pendant]

Me, I'm canonically from Calamity.

[long bloom]

i always took it to be that the sun is just way less hot than irl

[simple tangle]

Id love the bestiary to be framed as a collection of miscellanous sources from like. Regular ppl, biologists, random yharmy soldiers
Stuff liek that

Sorry

[raven brook]

ok thanks

im gonna believe this now

[long bloom]

which would make sense if it's smaller and closer

[raven brook]

😌

[woeful karma]

no that's

[raven brook]

its magic pl sun. it works.

[wanton pendant]

That's what Yharim is for.

[raven brook]

it can be not as hot. thats ok

[woeful karma]

it's the mantis shimp's punch that's hot

[wanton pendant]

He gets to tell us all his 'biology facts'.

[spare pier]

We may or may not change that in the future but generally the Bestiary will still be a source of reliable unbiased information

[agile matrix]

here

[woeful karma]

the mantis shrimp's punch is not being compared to the sun

[dusk laurel]

i gotta be real i always thought of it like this

[spare pier]

Solution:

[woeful karma]

it's being compared to the azafurian lava

[split mortar]

Yeah but it compares to mantis shrimp not the sun so even if that true that not matter

[spare pier]

It got that hot after Brimmy nuked the place

[woeful karma]

the mantis shrimp's punch is not dependent on the temperature of the sun

[long bloom]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[raven brook]

ok this works

cuz nothings fucking living there anyways

[woeful karma]

ok thats fine

[raven brook]

it is now a Unnatural Phenomenon caused by a Powerful Magical Being that works

thats good

thank you laura

[spare pier]

THIS SCALES THE TERRARIAN TO STAR LEVEL

[raven brook]

overwatch is saved

[agile matrix]

18k degrees F is hotter than the surface of the sun, but other pokemons can just. sit there

[woeful karma]

problem solved

[split mortar]

YESSSS

[agile matrix]

dude has killed celestial beings how are they not at star level

[raven brook]

Terrarian UPSCAEE.

im on the verge rn btw

you guys wont believe how close i am

my control

[split mortar]

YOU ARE STAR LEVEL

[raven brook]

its faltering

[spare pier]

(All things considered we could also just make so the absurd temperature of Azafure's lava is why you can't enter before killing Brimmy)

(When she dies it goes back to normal)

[dusk laurel]

[woeful karma]

gaster if he was made by remedy entertainment:

[woeful karma]

TRUE AND REAL

[agile matrix]

cheese im tryna talk abt Magcargo being 18k degrees farenheit

[dusk laurel]

[woeful karma]

ok my opinion of that lore has immediately 180ed

[wanton pendant]

All should be from Zoologist's perspective, and Yharon's entry is 'Oh ma gawd, he's so fluffy!' and that's it.

[split mortar]

Terrarian vs subject vs you

[simple tangle]

Xeroc isnt unbiased but theyre pretty reliable right

Dude prolly knows whats goin on

[long bloom]

terrarian can eat stars preboss

[woeful karma]

xeroc really has no reason to lie about

basically anything

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc bestiary entries:
'Bro I got no clue who that is. Is that Ultron? I bet it's Ultron.'

[simple tangle]

Were Xeroc and Silva friends

[long bloom]

worse.

[wanton pendant]

Not since the totally real divorce.

[simple tangle]

Or did Silva just snatch up the Terminus and tell the dog (Jared) that it's on sight

[split mortar]

We dunno but they are def divorced

[agile matrix]

Roommates.

[untold forge]

rule 1 of the divorce is to not talk about the divorce

[real glen]

I just realized, I get it now
New Timeless Shores background looks like underwater area, but water is gone

I actually thought Sunken Sea before Yharim Crusade was sea in the underground

[wanton pendant]

'I miss my wife, Terrarian. I miss her a lot, I'll be back.'
-Xeroc.

[untold forge]

"need to go fry up more space squid real quick"

[wheat walrus]

ancient user rebirth

[untold forge]

:3

[wanton pendant]

The Terrarian slays the numerous scourges plaguing the Heartlands, restoring some semblance of peace and civilization and causing an influx of immigration.
A random 12 year old girl:

[split mortar]

Whuh

[wanton pendant]

What's your question soldier?

[split mortar]

Whats the 12 year old girl and whats the idea i presume cal but she did in the past not modern day

[wanton pendant]

I'm calling the Princess a usurper.

[analog spindle]

What sort of chaos did the princess cause?

[split mortar]

I dont know didnt know she had much lore

[wanton pendant]

Despotism is no way to run a country.

[woeful karma]

dont worry waterwraith i understand what youre saying

[wanton pendant]

It appears that this cannot be understood by the British.

[split mortar]

Is octo british

[long bloom]

water is british

[wanton pendant]

NO!

[analog spindle]

I cannot believe water is british, truely a sad day for all

[wanton pendant]

Don't fall for this propaganda!

[analog spindle]

I must believe you, but ive seen their fleets, the british control the seas with their armada

The oceans belong to Britannia

[dusk laurel]

british and french

you breton

[wanton pendant]

THAT'S NOT EVEN WHAT THAT MEANS!?

[long bloom]

and how would you know that?

[wanton pendant]

Because I know about Brittany.

[long bloom]

because you're BRITISH

[wanton pendant]

BRITTANY IS IN FRANCE!

[split mortar]

SO YOUR FRENCH

[dusk laurel]

region of gaul inhabited by runaway britons (aka british people when there was no english people yet so it was all celts)

[wanton pendant]

Which means they're not British (Celts predate English by a long time.)

[dusk laurel]

nono youre still british

[wanton pendant]

I'm not!

[split mortar]

SO WATER IS BRITISH

[wanton pendant]

I'm not!

[analog spindle]

Britian is surrounded by ocean, thus obviously that makes every ocean british, which means all water is british

[mighty zenith]

which means around 80% of all people are british

wait

no i fucked that up

all people are 80% british

there

[dusk laurel]

wtf

this is sacrelige and blasphemous

[wanton pendant]

Then I am 0% British. I don't care about the consequences.

[analog spindle]

Aw man im 80% british? I guess i will have to resign my sell to eating beans on toast and biscuits over a cup'o tea

[wanton pendant]

Hey, I resent the implication that beans on toast are a British only food!

[analog spindle]

Sorry I forgot about fish and chips

[final kindle]

what exactly is the aerie?

[wanton pendant]

Where the dragons lived.

It's where Yharim is hiding like a little baby.

[final kindle]

things we know:

1. draedon failed to detect it, theorized it's a pocket dimension
2. it's where the dragons lived, and where yharim is currently at, and it's like a really big floating island

[split mortar]

Also fucky with time according to dev statements iirc

[wanton pendant]

Yeah it's immune to time or something.

[final kindle]

how tf is the terrarian supposed to find it in the future?

[wanton pendant]

Hope Yharim left a doormat.

[split mortar]

We dunno

[final kindle]

any headcanon or anything we can work with?

I'm personally just baffled by the requirements needed to get to the aerie, it doesn't make sense

[split mortar]

Unlikely to be with the two aerie items (the rock and probably the terminus) since boss rush meant to be post game optional thing and also kinda sucks

[wanton pendant]

Uh, I don't know, rock phone or something?

[final kindle]

rock phone...

[woeful karma]

80 percent of humanity, you say.........

[final kindle]

that makes sense

Terrarian would present the rock to Draedon

draedon would analyze it and find something special

use that to develop a technique

and detect the aerie

[wanton pendant]

Yharim doxxing technique.

[woeful karma]

throwing you into the sun

[split mortar]

Doesnt draedon say that other then letting us use exo tech they dont want to help us more or am i mosinterpreting

[wanton pendant]

Reasonable reaction.

[wanton pendant]

He says he can't help you reach Yharim.

Not that he won't, he can't, he doesn't know how to reach him.

[final kindle]

yeah because draedon knows fuck about the terminus or xeroc

[wanton pendant]

"Now. You wish to reach the Tyrant. I cannot assist you in that."
"It is not a matter of spite, for I would wish nothing more than to observe such a conflict."

[final kindle]

I think it's a safe assumption

[split mortar]

Im against the idea of draedon knowing how to access the aerie cause the fight between yharim and terrarian being unknown until the winner exits lowk fire to me

[final kindle]

draedon doesn't know

My knowledge of the Dragon Aerie is limited. Yharim is adamant in protecting it. In recent history, only he and Yharon have trod there, and neither were inclined to share details about it.
Even if I dared to evoke Yharim's wrath, I cannot survey the Aerie. My attempts at locating it have been fruitless despite having surveyed this world's surface and skies many times over. Perhaps it avoids observation, as per some manner of cloaking. It is also possible it simply exists outside of conventional space, in a pocket dimension of sorts. Either case would make detecting it via my current methods drastically more difficult.
What I do know is that the Dragon Aerie is an unusually large sky island that acted as the sacred home of the Auric dragons. Few others were ever allowed to tread there, as a sort of religious sanctuary or holy ground.
It is also where Auric dragons would be laid to rest in preparation for their revival by Yharon. As their revival on the Aerie was a commonly accepted fact even at the start of recorded history, the sky island must be at least 2,000 years old, with Yharon himself being a similar age.
Considering the extraordinary power of the Auric dragons and the sanctity of the Dragon Aerie, I am left to ponder: did the Aerie make the Auric dragons powerful, or is the Aerie inundated with power due to their extended presence? Perhaps more importantly, what made them leave the safety of the Aerie even as their kind were being slain? I eagerly await the uncovering of such mysteries.

he knows nothing about the aerie

this is straight from the game

completely canon

[split mortar]

Yea

[final kindle]

it's safe to assume he also doesn't know about xeroc or the terminus

because xeroc says

[split mortar]

Oh def bot xeroc

[final kindle]

it's been idk how much

eons?

yeah he says eons

[split mortar]

Because the exos are not close to xerocs strength

[final kindle]

and draedon is only 600 something

[woeful karma]

yharim says he doesn't know about xeroc in exos lore

[split mortar]

-# xerocs not even 900 years old 😭

[woeful karma]

yeah 😭

[split mortar]

Aint eons like uh a billion years or smth

[final kindle]

wiat tf lemme check the quotes again

[wanton pendant]

I mean, he might, depends on how old he was when he ascended.
Since, he'd have to be 50 then to be 900.

Millenia is a 1000.

And Xeroc is exaggerating.

[mighty zenith]

eons is usually used metaphorically to describe a really long time

[woeful karma]

its not a formalized measure of time

yeah

[split mortar]

Ah

[final kindle]

he says centuries, pergaps a millennia

[woeful karma]

but 1000 years is not enough time for an eon 😭

yeah

[final kindle]

not eons I'm dumb

[split mortar]

Ok yeah that fits the guys nearing a millenia but not quite there

[final kindle]

ok so draedon knows nothing about xeroc

so the Terrarian gets the rock from the aerie

draedon is amazrd

[wanton pendant]

Like, hypothetically, if Xeroc was like, Yharim age when he ascended he'd nearly be 1000.

[final kindle]

the terrarian and draedon kiss

[wanton pendant]

What.

[final kindle]

then come up with thr tech

[mighty zenith]

i support this message

[split mortar]

Ofcourse rhe robotkisser does

[mighty zenith]

[split mortar]

SHUT UP

[final kindle]

Shadowspec Yharim Doxxing Mechanism

[woeful karma]

[final kindle]

(ik shadowspec is dev item and non canon)

but you get the idea

[wanton pendant]

What.

[final kindle]

and obviously they use the pocket dimension and portal shit they learned from the distortion and defeating noxus for that

[mighty zenith]

true!

[split mortar]

Noxus is post yharim

[final kindle]

the Distortion isn't then

[wanton pendant]

Yharim watching the Terrarian take a detour to slay an unspeakable horror (they're marching on the Aerie now).

[final kindle]

just the place itself, probably not post yharim

so using stuff from there

[wanton pendant]

We know the Distortion will be available before Yharim.

[final kindle]

together with the radio signature of the rock from the aerie

[split mortar]

Yeah we will unlock it post cv eventually
But iirc the ml entry says smth of it taking energy of the main universe so idk if making a second one is plausible or healthy

[split mortar]

Oh i misread

[final kindle]

create the yharim Doxxing Mechanism

[split mortar]

Yharim doxxing machine

[final kindle]

get to the aerie

and yeah

pretty cool

I like this headcanon personally

it makes sense

[wanton pendant]

Really not what headcanon means.

If anything it's... brainstorming.

[woeful karma]

roll credits

[final kindle]

it's what I want to believe is true

none of it is official so it's headcanon

actual lore will probably be different

lowkenuinely modable btw

[wanton pendant]

Mod, disembowel.

[final kindle]

this is what WOTG should've been

originally nameless was supposed to be xeroc and avatar of emptiness was supposed to be noxus but lore changes and devs had a different vision so they made a pretty awesome addon instead

that doesn't conflict with calamity lore

this way, in the future we can have noxus, xeroc, yharim, solyn, ND, AoE all in a single playthrough

xeroc bossfight will probably never happen but yeah

xeroc feels way too unreachable

maybe you might be able to fight him and lose

never win

[leaden bridge]

if calamity add those bosses you will indeed be able to do that without wotg having to do anything

[wanton pendant]

So, news.

[final kindle]

Calamity ending will probably be super poetic and cool

perhaps sad

[split mortar]

Unmatched power of the sun you are correct

[final kindle]

yuh he's literally the only reason why anything except pure and resisting lifeforms exist

[split mortar]

A big thing of calamity is that the worlds healing and that theres hope despite the horrors iirc
So prob more bitter sweat if anything

[split mortar]

Whar

What dies that mean brain fried rn

Not had enough soeep for the past few days

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, slaying Xeroc is practically impossible. It would be like asking Mike Tyson to punch Godzilla to death.
But, you will be able to spar with Xeroc.

[final kindle]

basically xeroc actively tones the sun down for a lot of lifeforms to not simply burn under the devastating light and die

[wanton pendant]

Welcome to the Underground, where the sun doesn't reach.

[split mortar]

Ah you meant that

[final kindle]

"Over 850 years ago, when the heat of the sun left the surface empty for all but the mightiest of creatures..."

[woeful karma]

no 👍

[final kindle]

basically Terraria equivalent of no ozone layer

[woeful karma]

wotg is far better being able to do what it wants instead of making Old Lore Xeroc and Old Lore Noxus

[final kindle]

you didn't read

I said wotg should've been about the distortion and the new lore and getting to the aerie, but that's obviously impossible because lore changed midway its development

[leaden bridge]

no wotg should not have been about any of those things it would not have made it any good

[woeful karma]

wow that significantly changes my answer

now its no 👍

[woeful karma]

wotg is far better being able to do what it wants instead of making yharim

[split mortar]

Wotg is seperating itself from calamity so that wouldnt work

Among many reasons

[wanton pendant]

Wrath of the Gods should have been about repairing a spaceship that was destroyed be a meteor on a hostile planet and it should have been called Pikmin.

[woeful karma]

TRUE

[final kindle]

obviously, I'm not to say what people should be doing, people do cool stuff, there is no objective

[final kindle]

true

[leaden bridge]

also the lore did not "change midway in development", lucille made noxus, then she made xeroc, designed by iban to be a take on God Universe and All and then it was decided noxus would be scrapped and a new boss with the darkness/entropy thematic branching off what nameless had thematically introduced would be made

[split mortar]

Wrath of the Gods should have just been a game and about timeloops and have siffrin and be called in stars and time

[final kindle]

yup in its current state that makes most sense

[leaden bridge]

wotg did not have lore at all before nameless was concreted as nameless

it was just hi here's theb oss with that name u know about vaguely inspired by the concept

noxus is so funny he was made in a week using a joke fandom design

[woeful karma]

god DAMMIT

[leaden bridge]

people wanted this

people want this

people were like clamorign PLEASE give us noxus when avatar was released

its so funny

[woeful karma]

this would be a perfect time for that edit of the first page of one piece but all the dialogue is vague and general but i cant FIND it

[leaden bridge]

MYSTERIOUS TREASURE

with this magical fruit, i now have the power of extension!

we dont know what iamge you are talking about but we have been inspired

[final kindle]

catalyst is another sad mod imo. calamity did underground astral after catalyst already did it

idk man these addons

[wanton pendant]

Yes, the biome which has, like, one item, and is no unnoteworthy I've literally never seen it.

[final kindle]

why don't all these addon devs and calamity devs just kiss each other and make one supermassive black hole

[wanton pendant]

Please devs add something to that place, anything.

[split mortar]

Catalyst died like years ago no

[leaden bridge]

yes

[split mortar]

Isnt most or all catalyst devs
Also Cal devs

[leaden bridge]

no

yes

sorta

happened over time

[split mortar]

Indoctrination

Idk if that word even applies

[wanton pendant]

Sounds familiar...

[final kindle]

tell me y'all

[woeful karma]

most addon devs in general got assimilated into the cal blob

[split mortar]

Lmao?

[final kindle]

different visions different ideologies blabla we have terraria mod politics 😭 😭

[woeful karma]

like big e and fry

[final kindle]

everyone wants to make different things

which is good more than bad

but it has downsides

sometimes they accidentally make the same things

imagine if everyone was a singular hive mind and we all worked on one thing

that would be very uncreative

[untold forge]

woah !!

this is what happens when you stop being active for literally 18 months hahaha

[final kindle]

?

I don't quite understand, who are you referring to? you mean the lore changed while you were away or what?

[split mortar]

Neday hasnt looked in here for a while

And dev statements happen so while not active yeah uh info is missed

Like the sun thing

[wheat walrus]

p

[final kindle]

the new seed in 1.4.5 where the sun burns you

[split mortar]

Hello omni

[final kindle]

I think that's pretty cool

it's a funny coincidence

[wheat walrus]

melon

[final kindle]

"what if xeroc didn't tone down the sun?" scenario

[wanton pendant]

(I think that's an excrypt from the lore doc.)

[final kindle]

secret seeds are just funny what if scenarios

[wanton pendant]

What if you had a stomach.

[final kindle]

like permafrost switching places with calamitas

[wanton pendant]

Sunken Sea is now underneath the Tundra.

[final kindle]

except he still drops brinstone weapons... make it make sense

I mean it would take too much effort switching all the weapons around

[split mortar]

Ultramage in its entirety is a shitpost the dialogue is like literally “how else do you think i taught her i had to be stronger duh” type of logic things iirc

[final kindle]

yuh

[final kindle]

doing stuff like this is too much effort for a shitpost

[wanton pendant]

Rock beats scissors, paper beats rock, therefore paper must beat scissors.

[split mortar]

Trying to open packeging and why did they vacuum seal socks 😭

[wanton pendant]

Loreful.

[split mortar]

Oh wrong chat
Uh
Idrc keeping it

[wanton pendant]

What could Sock Theory mean for the timeline?

[warm gull]

what

[split mortar]

What

[warm gull]

what is sock theory

oh nevermind

imstup id

[reef wigeon]

Powerscaling logic

[analog spindle]

Isn't the sock theory the one where in addition to being cast into the lava for not consuming Yharon's Auric soul, but that also the gods made sure that Yharim only ever had a left sock and that's the primary reason that he went on the crusade?

[pulsar ocean]

What’s wrong with only the left sock

[analog spindle]

Well nothing in theory, it's just that Yharim had to wear shoes/boots with only one sock

[long scaffold]

Why does DoG call you a kid? What if you wanted your character to be an adult?

[cloud ibex]

because he's a dickhead rat bastard asshole shitlord who is faced with a rare instance of fighting someone actually as strong or maybe even stronger than him, and he's trying to belittle you to convince himself he's still in control

[tawny holly]

I was gonna say that compared to dog you’re nothing more than a kid

Because how old is the dog?

[agile matrix]

see the terrarian is 0-inf years old

bc the Terrarian is You

[tawny holly]

I see

👁️ 👁️

[cloud ibex]

nobody knows

[wanton pendant]

That's the thing. For all we know, he's three weeks old when he gets hired, or he's multiple centuries and has been eating gods for ages. We have no idea.

[zinc karma]

for some reason the former makes more sense to me

[wanton pendant]

I was being a bit hyperbolic, Yharim waits until at least 12 before hiring soldiers, as we all know.

[zinc karma]

something something the lion

[long scaffold]

Noxus grabbed some rocks and threw them together to make a worm before immediately enlisting it in the Yharmy

[long bloom]

[simple tangle]

did yharon die during the crusade at least once

[long bloom]

unlikely

the strongest god he fought was shakidou and if they managed to kill him i think it would be a pretty big deal

[untold forge]

The what

[untold forge]

The existence of yharmy implies the existence of yheevies 😭

[warm gull]

read what wwg said

[warm gull]

.

[untold forge]

😭

[latent flower]

sock theory explains everything

sock theory deniers dni

[celest holly]

Yharim could be waiting in his cuck throne in dragon aery

[split mortar]

I doubt theres a human sized throne since its The Dragon Place but yeah he is waiting in the Aerie

[agile matrix]

imagine he's laying on a couch sized rock scrolling Rox (the everything app)

[mighty zenith]

it's a lawn chair

sorry

an AURIC lawn chair

[agile matrix]

Auric Riding Lawnmower.....

[woeful karma]

oh my god

where does yharim keep his yharmies.....

[hexed lava]

can someone explain to me why do we work for yharim the whole game but after dog we get a change of heart and beat his friends yharon and scal instead

[woeful karma]

[split mortar]

The mech bosses also work for yharim
Also scal is not his friend he groomed her into nuking Italy when she was like 12-16 and she attacks us cause ptsd thinking we will be yharim 2
DoG and yharon also jump us

Also like every boss that dies kinda deserves the fight

Like only aquatic scourge and queenbee are like morally questionable iirc

[hexed lava]

mech bosses as in the hardmode ones or exo mechs

[split mortar]

Hardmode ones

[hexed lava]

oh ok

yeah i know draedon and yharim dont like themselves

[split mortar]

Everyone else sorta falls into
Wild animal hunting you
Mindless monster trying to kill you
guy trying to kill you for whatever reason

Queen bee and aquatic scourge are the only that it can be argued yeah they dont harm others always but normal people irl hunt animals and stuff sometimes so still not that bad

Well ig wall of flesh could be fucked up it does unleash god essence continent nuke but apply the image meme, you can clean up the mess if want to

In which case its better to have unleashed it now then wait till it happens naturally

Which could hurt more people

And wof is also something working for yharim??? Was made by azafure so could argue that ig

[magic epoch]

X(eroc)

don't like xeroc be elon musk pleassee

[simple tangle]

My hc is that WoF got summoned by the terrarian on accident heehee

[raven brook]

blame the dumbass demon

[simple tangle]

Why do so many demons carry around that stupid ass doll? Are they stupid?

[raven brook]

they want to worship WoF

but also yes they're stupid

[feral skiff]

they fucking hate the guide

[sacred pilot]

Oh my god if Elon Musk absorbed an Auric Soul it'd be disastrous.

[plucky juniper]

at least yharim had the decency to say no

[sacred pilot]

At least Xeroc had the decency to fuck off from the planet and like.

Do their own thing ig.

[wanton pendant]

Dude, don't leak God of Dogma's Lore!

[limpid saddle]

i beat death mode eol twice and she still hasnt dropped the terraprisma

im gonna tweak

[split mortar]

Isnt it daytime only

[wanton pendant]

Not in Calamity I believe.

[limpid saddle]

i just want the kaleidoscope just like anything

[split mortar]

Heard it changed in bs but idk if thats true

[analog spindle]

If I'm not mistaken isn't the Wall of Flesh made by Yharim after his screw ups with the corruption and crimson?