lore-discussion

[limpid saddle]

fucking amateur hour

[spring helm]

He did

Still lost

Fovos was THAT GUY

[split mortar]

Why do you think fovos is so blue
The guy has supersaiyan god supersaiyan

[long bloom]

i like how hellborn and hellkite are connected now

[split mortar]

You dont exist

[long bloom]

😨 ???

[woeful karma]

woods time for you

[long bloom]

dies

[spare pier]

Ok

Anything else to talk?

[limpid saddle]

guh...

calamitas clone...

[split mortar]

Not from me
Ima play the update first before i read the new doc
And that prob wont be in a bit anyway because ima play with people and gotta wait on 1.4.5 run finished first

[spring helm]

Laura when are you going to program the Noxus fight

[woeful karma]

true

[dusk laurel]

popcorn we are going to sacrifice you to calamity satan

[woeful karma]

get on it

[split mortar]

Is that signus or the inverted terrarian image

[dusk laurel]

latter

[mighty zenith]

what do you MEAN soul-harnessing plasma cannon

[long bloom]

lo

[split mortar]

Lol?

[mighty zenith]

why is the SHPC a poltergust now

[limpid saddle]

does anyone have the one moon lord edit

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-moon-lord-josh-hutcherson-whistle-gif-11278917756883322479

That?

[long bloom]

it took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out what soul ammo it was referring to

[limpid saddle]

heah it didnt embed but thats it

[spare pier]

It took us

A shockingly long time to come up with that name

[manic coral]

we made it cooler

[spare pier]

[manic coral]

also yeah

[mighty zenith]

lmfao

[mighty zenith]

i mean it sounds cool for sure

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/siffrin-saturday-siffrin-saturday-day-isat-gif-15729826000280989470

[shrewd stream]

It took me an hour to read all of this

[split mortar]

When will you exist

[limpid saddle]

tomorrow

[manic coral]

oh also something i havent seen commented on

The fanatical leader of the Dragon Cult, hell-bent on resurrecting a dragon. He upholds their sacred duty of keeping the cosmic behemoth sealed far away on the moon, an oath he swore to long ago when he pledged himself in their service.

add another to the list of people who dont seme like they should be older than xeroc

but are

[woeful karma]

OH RIGHT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE

[long bloom]

dragon monk??

[limpid saddle]

truly incredible

dragon monk lunatic cultist

[manic coral]

yeah

[mighty zenith]

oh shit

that's peak

[limpid saddle]

fuck was that bumass bitch doing when the purges started

[split mortar]

Oh shit that public

[mighty zenith]

maybe he'll finally get a name

[split mortar]

IM GONNA BE ABLE TO THEORISE FUCK YEAH

[manic coral]

i mean

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Johnathan J. Cult.

[manic coral]

who's more fitting to start the dragon cult

[limpid saddle]

idiot just lst them all got murked

[manic coral]

than a former dragon monk

[split mortar]

Stopping the apocalypse from tearing the world apart again

[mighty zenith]

Luna Ticool Tist

[woeful karma]

meegrid

[limpid saddle]

couldnt even protect ONE dragon

[long bloom]

was he the monk of a dragon that's been established yet

[manic coral]

i mean

to be fair

[split mortar]

^

[manic coral]

0 is a better count than -1

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Reasonable Boundaries.

[mighty zenith]

suck on that xeroc

[long bloom]

what if dragon of night

maybe

or mind

[limpid saddle]

hes not maintaining the seal 24/7 if he has enough free time to show yharim their cool enchanted hole & torture prisoners of war

[split mortar]

Showing that is much less commitment then stopping a genocide

[limpid saddle]

He didnt need to stop it because he couldnt

[warm gull]

no way, the people worship dragons in the modern day are descendants of the dragon monks? who would have guessed

[limpid saddle]

this is about him not even being able to preserve ONE auric dragon

[split mortar]

Good job misreading
Lunatic cultist IS a dragon cult not a descendant of theirs

[limpid saddle]

where tf was he when yharon was getting jumped every decade

[warm gull]

yes i know

the rest of them aren't immortal though

[split mortar]

Not wanting the smoke from whoeevr is able to reliably kill the second strongest dragon

Probly

[warm gull]

melon gun try not to misinterpret what I say to make me wrong challenge

[limpid saddle]

I dont even think the Cultist is that bad of a guy relativistically to the calamity scale of morality this is just about him being a bum & a fraud

[split mortar]

Its past midnight you expect too much from my brain
Also you say that like it was intentional misinterpreting and not me being a dumbass

[spring helm]

Maintaining the seal lol

Otherwise moon lord would have shown up and the grey period would be even worse

[limpid saddle]

cough

[spring helm]

Kid named other members of the dragon cult

[dusk laurel]

ggg will perish

[limpid saddle]

YOU will die

[warm gull]

I mean he did ally with yharim

[limpid saddle]

he definetly did alot of that torturing himself

[split mortar]

Do you think stopping a dragon that is like ages away from dying is equal effort to showing someone a cool thing

[warm gull]

there's only so good you can be while supporting yharim

[spring helm]

Lunatic cultist morality:
The Good

• keeping the seal intact, preventing the world from experiencing Moon Lord’s return
  The Bad
• complicit in genocide

[limpid saddle]

I think he could've at least tried tracking down & providing asylum for the fleeing dragons

Like do you all seriously think he's just on the seal, always, forever?

I assumed given the timescale it was something that needed to be reinforced every once in a while

To y'know, explain why he isn't doing it the first time the terrarian shows up at the dungeon

[dusk laurel]

try me

[warm gull]

the part thats crazy to me is that the cultist is somehow part dragon and a zillion years old

how did bro even do that

[limpid saddle]

I already did

[long bloom]

????????

[limpid saddle]

You are already dead

[dusk laurel]

nope

[long bloom]

when tf was he part dragon

[dusk laurel]

if i was dead you would have no fingers

[warm gull]

I thought that was in the document

[long bloom]

lemme check

[limpid saddle]

Had to type this one with my nsde

[wanton pendant]

Are you perhaps thinking of my ridiculous future boss concept where he turns himself into a dragon because he's a furry?

[dusk laurel]

🍅

[warm gull]

no

[limpid saddle]

thsnjs vanillinbs ghost you as

[warm gull]

regardless, even if not part dragon

still a zillion years old

how did this chud keep himself alive

[long bloom]

mno

[wanton pendant]

Diet and exercise.

[warm gull]

he's not permafrost, and yharim is gonna die at the ripe age of 150

so how did this guy survive

[wanton pendant]

He locked in.

[split mortar]

Just that guy

[limpid saddle]

ancient dragon looksmaxxing techniques

[spring helm]

Duh, because he’s the ancient doomsayer

Couldn’t exactly call himself ancient if he was only like 500 years old

[manic coral]

he eats 3 balanced meals a day and stays away from drugs

[warm gull]

also who was the cultist attuned to if he was a monc

[long bloom]

monks don't have to be attuned i don't think

[wanton pendant]

Nobody said every monk was attuned.
Like, we only know of one who was.

[spare pier]

^

Monks don't necessarily have to be attuned

[wheat walrus]

dang

shi dropped

ill read up the doc thing tmrw if i remember

[warm gull]

ah ok

[limpid saddle]

aight well

goodnight lore chat

[long bloom]

gn

[limpid saddle]

happy calamitas clone rework day

[raven brook]

I see.

[woeful karma]

the looker

[dusk laurel]

not even a rework its new vfx and an arena (ig calclone fans are starving so it counts)

[robust osprey]

GGG is like, the skinniest user I ever met

bro has been starving for AGES

VFX rework is like

the second coming of christ for clone fans

[dusk laurel]

TRUE

[feral skiff]

is yharim aura farming and hype moments?

[wanton pendant]

He's potential, man.

[heavy zenith]

Is there anyway to access like all the concept art made for calamity without scouring through the pinned comments?

Has anyone made like a library or something?

[raven brook]

the imgur in the pins is the only one but oh lordy me is it oudtaed

missing so much

[spring helm]

The wiki has some concept art too

[woeful karma]

the introductory master doc has a lot of the recent stuff

[raven brook]

that too true yeah

[light linden]

@spare pierhey are computer viruses a thing in calamity?

[spare pier]

Why wouldn't they be?

[light linden]

I'm unsure about the general level of technology

I could see them being made to combat yharim's forces considering how advanced their gear is

something akin to a netrunner from cyberpunk

[naive hollow]

where the flip does the Wulfrum robots come from

[compact ridge]

John Wulfrum

[zenith geode]

rebels thinking theyre doing something against yharim

[naive hollow]

Ah

[zenith geode]

(they werent)

[sinful adder]

I would have thought they would at least distract or annoy some of the soldiers

[naive hollow]

Is there more information to be found in game

[sinful adder]

on this topic, no

[naive hollow]

Incredible

[raven brook]

bestiary entries on the wulfrum robots, wulfrum item tooltips

other than that no

You could find out the origin of wulfrums ingame through said bestiaries

[latent flower]

hellooo

im hiding here bc update talk and calamity talk have slowmode

😓

[split mortar]

Ohh rip

[green prairie]

(technical update spoiler) now i REALLY want a lore explanation for this

[scenic olive]

auric water mine when

[limpid saddle]

this is a strategy called 'placing unattuned auric on the floor and covering it in a little bit of dirt'

[west plume]

what the above message said

[green prairie]

so Yharim just casually left auric metal in the ground just to screw with his enemies?

[limpid saddle]

seems like the land mine thing is a terrarian idea

i think yharim values auric too much to use it in such a pedestrian way

[pulsar ocean]

how would the land mine even work if mock auric shouldnt be imploding anybody

[limpid saddle]

Well does the recipe stipulate auric ore or auric bars?

[pulsar ocean]

idk i havent seen it

[random mulch]

it's 50 mines and a bar for 50 auric land mines

[pulsar ocean]

so bars

that shouldnt be imploding

[split mortar]

Yeah it shouldnt

[quiet idol]

So apparently Yharim not bad anymore??

[green prairie]

he's not actively doing genocide but he did so he's still kind of an awful person

[quiet idol]

Also oh like new lore doc

[split mortar]

Whar?

[raven brook]

No he's kind of still like top 3 worst individuals in the entire world

and the only ones that have him beaten are the goddess who literally wants to commit genocide on Every Single Living Thing Ever and the other one who you can even argue isn't as bad as yharim being the Cosmic worm with no reedeming qualities Whatsoever who's just an evil asshole who's probably working directly for a entity that's probably trying to destroy the world

So like

Yeah no he's awful

He's literally a mass genocider and that sort of thing

[wanton pendant]

Actually it's the old Lore doc updated.

[dusk laurel]

[spring helm]

Yharim was never bad

He’s just misunderstood

[mighty zenith]

uhh he said he feels bad 🥺

[eternal veldt]

Im still gonna murder him for drops

[dense lynx]

So how long did golden age of gods last?

Cause ||New bestiary tells Moon Lord attack happened 800 years ago||

[young socket]

600 years i believe

[split mortar]

Yeah we already knew that

[young socket]

800 years ago was the draconic era, there was a grey period for 100 years, then it was deific era until the crusade era, which began around a century ago

[dense lynx]

Dragonic Era is lasted atleast Millenia

[split mortar]

Most likely much longer

[hazy flume]

I just watched 1 hour long video of calamity lore and realized how many things I was wrong about

And I can't belive I thought that Draedon is some type of Tony Stark from other universe who achieved everything

[hushed jasper]

XD

[sacred pilot]

Rule number 1 of Calamity lore.

Please don't watch YouTubes and TikToks about it.

[hazy flume]

lol

I have only 177 hrs on terraria and did like 3 playthroughs and since 1.4.5 and 2.1 released i wanna do another one without any guides, and with reading all the lore facts that yharim tells us after each boss

[sacred pilot]

Rule 2: Yharim is the most biased person in existence. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.

[young socket]

theres a lot more to the lore than whispers

theres the bestiary and certain item tool tips

also calamity just changed the vanilla bestiary this update too so you can read those as well

[hazy flume]

Yeah ik there's facts in bestiary and in draedons gaming pc

[pine badge]

Where's yharim now?

[hazy flume]

The vid i watched was just compliation of facts from whispers, bestiary and draedon organized in chronological order

[sacred pilot]

Dragon Aerie.

[pine badge]

Ahh, so is he just chilling there?

[sacred pilot]

Yes.

[reef wigeon]

Do you think the other bosses will have a rework like did with DoG?

[latent bolt]

do we know the true origins of the Bandit?

[eager bluff]

i mean

yeah

outside of dog brain and scal none of them are particularly Good

[latent bolt]

most of the bosses in calamity are getting major reworks iirc
from what i know yharon's only real rework in the near future will be a resprite like golem

[long bloom]

no

but apparently they have some trauma related to the jungle

[latent bolt]

damn

[woeful karma]

if yharon does not get reworked i will boar myself

[spare pier]

N3V3R R3WORK1NG YH4RON

[long bloom]

every boss will be majorly reworked Eventually™ except boc, provi and scal

[split mortar]

Thats planned once the resprite is done i think

[spare pier]

1 N33D TO S33 OCTO BO4R 1TS3LF

[long bloom]

kills you

[woeful karma]

throwing myself to the hogs

[latent bolt]

DoG got a mini rework that really tickles a part of my brain

[spare pier]

OK

[split mortar]

Horrible

[spare pier]

R3WORK1NG YH4RON NOW

1 JUST W4NT3D TO S33 TH4T

[woeful karma]

nefarious and evil

[latent bolt]

terezi are you going full death machine mode rn

[spare pier]

NO 1M GO1NG T3R3Z1 MOD3

4LSO 1M CURR3NTLY R3V1S1NG TH3 V4NN1L4 B3ST14RY

[wanton pendant]

Will Calamity ever acknowledge Yharim's insider trading?

[spare pier]

1M PROB4BLY GO1NG TO NOT3 H3R3 WH4T 3NTR13S 1 W1LL CH4NG3

[agile matrix]

why does this remind me of a toby fox song

[long bloom]

you should change moonlord's entry to say 850 years ago

lest you suffer the wrath of waterwraith

[agile matrix]

idr which one but its like omega floweys approach theme but thats the whole song and its also very heavy rock

[spare pier]

SO F4R 1 CH4NG3D UND34D M1N3R 4ND V1K1NG

[wanton pendant]

HOW DID YOU KNOW!

[spare pier]

TO NOT R34LLY T4LK 4BOUT TH3 CRUS4D3

[spare pier]

BRO

800 Y34RS M34NS 4NYTH1NG FROM 800 TO 899

[wanton pendant]

Do you think the people know that?

[spare pier]

DO YOU R34LLY TH1NK TH4T C4L4M1TY H4PP3NS 3X4CTLY 800 Y34RS 4FT3R TH3 MOON LORD 1NV4S1ON?

[woeful karma]

thats not how rounding works

[split mortar]

Rounding down does

[agile matrix]

does it say “around 800” or does it just say 800

[wanton pendant]

Just 800.

[spare pier]

WH4T3V3R 1 C4N F1X TH4T

[long bloom]

"800 years ago"

[spare pier]

NO B1GG13

[agile matrix]

people are not the smartest and may think “800 was exactly 800”

[woeful karma]

saying aruond 800 would kill the gravitas i think

[long bloom]

also if the game starts in 1887 it's exactly 850 years later

[latent bolt]

true

[pulsar ocean]

800 or something idk

[latent bolt]

i thought that the timeline was at least an estimation of the period after the moon lord's invasion

[spare pier]

1M GO1NG TO G1V3 YOU CH4NG3LOGS ONC3 1M DON3 BTW

[split mortar]

We know the exact year ml invaded iirc

[wanton pendant]

Changelogs tomorrow?

[split mortar]

👁️

[long bloom]

hype

[long bloom]

1037

[agile matrix]

is the bestiary viewing it like how the Xeroc lore item does or from a research standpoint

[latent bolt]

i did in fact notice that the moon lord regardless of what identity and form he takes in terraria modded lore, his attack on terraria's world seems to be rather consistent

[long bloom]

bestiary is written by an omniscient unbiased third party

[latent bolt]

zoologist deity

[agile matrix]

i dont know how they write that bestiary entry though

[wanton pendant]

Bestiary is omniscient. (At least, it's meant to.)

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Lore items are Yharim.

[agile matrix]

God of Knowledge…………

[agile matrix]

i see

[dusk laurel]

waterwraith is perpetuating the cycle

it will be executed

[split mortar]

Wha

[pulsar ocean]

good thing it wasnt 30 years further than that

[agile matrix]

i do feel he’d be quite truthful abt xeroc though

[long bloom]

:walterheisenbergwhite:

[agile matrix]

like. outside of everything else and saying he ate babies or whatever

[wanton pendant]

'Traitor Almighty' is surely unbiased.

[agile matrix]

being the first god, yharim (in his eyes) is justified in calling him that

[pulsar ocean]

did dogma want yharim to eat a baby if yharon was in egg form

[split mortar]

Yharim has all the reason to be super biased about xeroc

[long bloom]

yeah

[agile matrix]

the dragons basically all died after this point so (one could consider) it caused the crux of the draconic age ending

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc bestiary entry should say something like:
'Was rated Best Chef at the 23rd annual Draconic cookoff.'

[long bloom]

[pulsar ocean]

traitor almighty is lowkey a tuff name

if i was xeroc id be flattered

[eager bluff]

could say over 800

[split mortar]

True it is amazing

[agile matrix]

completely misses their primary aspects and also is just pointless
itd be funny!

[agile matrix]

isnt yharim pretty decent at naming things

like at least 70% success rate

[pulsar ocean]

you guys think if yharim discovered miracle matter he'd name it differently

[long bloom]

miraculous material

🔥

[spare pier]

The once docile matriarchs of burrowing worms have been sent into a frenzy following the destruction of the Wall of Flesh, now attacking whatever they come across in a fit of maternal hysteria.

BURROW1NG WORM LOR3

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[long bloom]

🔥

[latent bolt]

im ngl im thinking the title of Golden Heretic is rather badass for Yharim as a boss name

yharim update be like:
Added Golden Heretic, Yharim - Done ✅

[agile matrix]

im sorry but Yharim, Godseeker is his title and if its not they better turn wheat to gold

[long bloom]

lord yharim

[agile matrix]

No

[split mortar]

Yharim gets the grey prince zote treatment and every title he has is displayed

[latent bolt]

do we even know what the player would call him

[long bloom]

lord golden heretic yharim the godseeker

[dusk laurel]

dont forget jungle tyrant

[long bloom]

💥

[hushed jasper]

Joe

[reef wigeon]

Lord jungle tyrant golden heretic Yharim the godseeker of traitor gods godseeker

I was thinking...

Xeroc and Noxus won't have a lore item because Yharim is supposed to be dead at that point, right?

[sacred pilot]

Probably.

[wanton pendant]

'Ring ring, ring ring.'
'Hello, hello? Uh, I wanted to leave you a message...'

[long bloom]

xeroc basically has 2 lore items already (prelude and requiem)

[spare pier]

BRO

TH3R3 1S ON3 3NTRY 1M M4D TH4T GOT OUT

4ND 1TS TH3 H3LL 4RMOR SK3L3TONS ON3

TH4T 3NTRY FUCK1NG SUCKS WH4T TH3 FUCK W3R3 W3 TH1NK1NG

[split mortar]

Wait wgat is it

[pulsar ocean]

jojo reference

[wanton pendant]

Is it because of the mercenary company name?

[spare pier]

1TS BOR1NG

L1K3 3V3RY OTH3R GUY H4S SOM3 COOL 4SS SH1T L1K3 TH3 D14BOL1ST OR N3CROM4NTS

BUT TH3N TH3YR3 JUST

Y34H TH3Y M3LT3D H1D1NG SPOTS L1K3

TH4TS SO FUCK1NG BOR1NG HOLY SH1111T

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[wanton pendant]

'The Molten Company Molted all over the place.'

[long bloom]

yes i know picture shut up

anyway i think it's inoffensive

[spare pier]

Y34H 1TS 1NOFF3S1V3 JUST

BOR1NG 4S SH1T

W3 C4N DO 4 LO B3TT3R

[long bloom]

true

[split mortar]

Kill 7 billion hogs

[sacred pilot]

Idk what to call them uhhhh.

[woeful karma]

what do you MEAN it was changed in the public release 😭

[long bloom]

it's the same as the beta though???

[woeful karma]

Mercenaries hired by Yharim to guard the Dungeon hailing from Azafure, the fiery glow of the Molten Legion is unmistakable. If anyone ever tried to hide, their red-hot armaments would melt the hideout immediately.
this is what i got from the betas

[long bloom]

oh

wasn't like that for me

[woeful karma]

well this one is better

still boring but

[woeful karma]

i was reading this and was like "so wouldnt they just . melt the dungeon then"

[spare pier]

OH W41T

1T GOT CH4NG3D

1 D1DNT R34D 1T

Y34H TH1S ON3 1S WH4TS ST4Y1NG

[woeful karma]

yeah

[long bloom]

🎉

[sacred pilot]

I was confused there for a minute.

[light linden]

hi uh

god what's the name

tsurki?

[long bloom]

terezi

[woeful karma]

if anyone finds anything else in the public version that got changed from whats in the doc please let me know

[split mortar]

Terezi

[light linden]

terezi

[woeful karma]

🦃

[light linden]

hi terezi

[spare pier]

H1

[eager bluff]

octo its time

[woeful karma]

nope

[eager bluff]

BRAINBLAST 💥

[woeful karma]

WHAT

[sacred pilot]

Octo is dead now.

[eager bluff]

no she just got brainblasted

[long bloom]

@woeful karma plantera bestiary is different

[woeful karma]

post it 🙏

[spare pier]

OK SO SOM3 3D1TS GOT THROUGH

TH1S 1S 4WKW4RD

[long bloom]

i think it was changed bc the lore item and blossom flux already tell you the other stuff

[leaden bridge]

yeah we talked bout this with stips

the awkward ones he remarked on where like, guide (obviously) bone lee and paladin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and eoc

[pulsar ocean]

Where do the elders scale

[leaden bridge]

outerversal

[spare pier]

WH4T

WHY TH3 GU1D3

[woeful karma]

grAHHH

i didnt bother checking the public release since i assumed since no one knew it was happening there wouldnt be any edits 😭

[leaden bridge]

because it is the first bestiary entry most players would read and it introduces superwacky concepts that aren't reflected anywhere else when they would be

[spare pier]

OK SO 1TS JUST 4 M4TT3R OF M4K1NG 1T UNLOCK L4T3R

1TS TH4T SHR1MPL3

[leaden bridge]

no?

[spare pier]

Y3S?

[woeful karma]

its ok for an entry to tell players things they dont have context for yet i think

[eager bluff]

as long as its explained at some point i think its fine

[spare pier]

1F TH3 PROBL3M 1S TH4T 1T DUMPS 4 BUNCH OF SH1T 4T TH3 PL4Y3R WH3N TH3Y DONT H4V3 3NOUGH CONT3XT TH3N W3 JUST H4V3 TO 3NSUR3 1T UNLOCKS WH3N TH3Y H4V3 S41D CONT3XT

[leaden bridge]

not only would that be awkward, it still has information that simply isn't reflected in the guide's dialogues or anywhere in hell despite the fact "godly warlock demons praised" would probably come up somewhere else?

[spare pier]

BUT

BUT 1T 1S????

[woeful karma]

when the unfinished mod is unfinished

voodoo dolls

[spare pier]

TH3 GU1D3 DO3SNT M3NT1ON 1T B3C4US3 H3 N3V3R 1NT3R4CT3D W1TH TH3 D3MONS, TH4T MUCH SHOULD B3 OBV1OUS

1TS 4 ON3-S1D3D WORSH1P B3C4US3 TH3Y S4W TH1S GUY CONTROLL1NG TH3 W4LL OF FL3SH 4ND WH3R3 L1K3

"Holy fucking shit that guy is literally the coolest motherfucker to have ever existed"

[leaden bridge]

this is what he said on it so i don't misrepresent his words

[long bloom]

yeah that makes sense

[spare pier]

OK TH4T M4K3S MOR3 S3NS3

4ND TH4TS V3RY 34S1LY F1X4BL3

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[woeful karma]

yeah

i dont think its bad to introduce lore bits at a time

sometimes a neatly packed "island" is way too big anyways

like . sunken sea

[eager bluff]

petition to rename deus to _tofupudding in gfb

[wanton pendant]

You mean spending ages on a specific area can be a bad thing!?

[spare pier]

OF COURS3 1T 1SNT COMP4R4BL3 BUT L1K3

Y34H

[stiff berry]

tbh ,for something like bestiary entries, especially vanilla ones, they don't seem like they'd be checked an awful lot because you've been there and seen those
releasing an incomplete & messy product now as is for something like the vanilla entries it feels like a bad idea

[light linden]

hi dev I've never seen before

[split mortar]

Thats tofu

[spare pier]

NO, 1T SHOULDNT H4V3 H4PP3N3D 4ND TH1S 1S 4 FUCK UP BUT TH4TS NOT WH4T 1M T4LK1NG 4BOUT

[stiff berry]

irrelevant to discussion

[spare pier]

Ugh ok

[light linden]

not a fan of foxes I see

[spare pier]

What Terezi means is that

It's fine to release content in isolation and not really account for everything around it and make it 100% perfect right out of the gate

The Vanilla Bestiary was accidentally released in an unfinished state and that was a mistake

But not reflecting everything said in it 100% perfectly isn't that big of a problem

We don't have to put everything in the game instantly and reflect everything in one fell swoop

[agile matrix]

isnt eoc just a really big eyeball

[spare pier]

If we keep trying to do this and make everything perfect the instant its out, we will spend 500 years in one thing and never get anything out

[stiff berry]

I'm not sure I agree

at the very least make it fit into its context..?

otherwise you're just dropping an info bomb and nobody's gonna understand what it's about

[spare pier]

Yeah, and I don't think we have ever made something not fit into the context its put in

[agile matrix]

release and refine vs release as refined

if im, understanding it correctly

[spare pier]

I guess the Guide kinda pushes that but

Eh

The Guide is an extreme case because making it fit into Cal Lore is hard as balls

[woeful karma]

i dont think anyones saying that releasing lore thats completely meaningless is good but like
its ok to have lore that doesnt also have all the environmental storytelling and dialogue and what have you yet

[spare pier]

Yeah

[spare pier]

We spent like

A week trying to define shit for Guide alone

[stiff berry]

release and refine is perfectly good but again i think at the very least like, have it make sense where it should.. be I guess ? like you can always add info on

[woeful karma]

and it does make sense

its just that the guide doesnt have a "fun fact: i used to be a warlock apprentice" dialogue line yet

[agile matrix]

the basis should at least make sense with currently given context, and the refined should build upon the gained information, if needed

[stiff berry]

^

[spare pier]

Yeah, and again, I don't think there is any instance of what we wrote making no sense given context

[stiff berry]

if you're kind of just dumping the info down (specifically in the case of the guide) its just like "woah. what ?"

[real glen]

Guide knows
He knows all of information
-# well except few

[woeful karma]

but its not 😭

[agile matrix]

i personally do enjoy the idea of the guide being a warlock apprentice, but given their current existance as "the guy who tells you cool things and shoots a bow", its more or less like trading card info instead of the intended effect

(we can't see him using spells or stuff)

[stiff berry]

yeaa

[spare pier]

Yeah, sure, that part isn't very well reflected but also that's not even the part that matters in the entry

It's a minor detail

[stiff berry]

feels more like dialogue you would get out of him as opposed to a bestiary entry

[agile matrix]

i dont know the entry i wont lie, im just voicing my opinion on the basis

[spare pier]

Ok. So.

We make that.

Into a dialogue line.

Look I will be real this shit stresses me out sooooo fucking much because

[eager bluff]

in this case it makes complete sense

[spare pier]

I basically sit here all the time where people go

"Hey this would probably be better here or put somewhere else"

And I'm like

Yes! I agree! We should do that and I will do so in the future!

[sacred pilot]

In my eyes, maybe it's him associating the spells with what happened in the Wall of Flesh's creation and the trauma it caused him, so he doesn't use them and just relies on a bow and arrow.

[spare pier]

But it's so so so so so fucking frustrating because then we will go on a 500 hour discussion about why it makes no sense and then we will start talking about changing the idea and then

Like

Uuuuuuugh

[eager bluff]

its kinda a throwaway line atm

[spare pier]

Discussions about poorly implemented lore for Cal make me want to remove my scalp because they always play out like this

[agile matrix]

... i like the idea? again, we don't really ever see him do stuff related to it other than the Voodoo Doll

[stiff berry]

-# my bad ...?

[agile matrix]

how is this lore

[spare pier]

It's fine

Just

Bleh

It's always like this and it's been annoying me so fucking much

[tiny prairie]

its cthulus hidden layer

[sacred pilot]

You.

[woeful karma]

like
if you know what azafure is, what the wall of flesh is, and what a voodoo demon is

[sacred pilot]

Could've posted this literally anywhere else.

[woeful karma]

guide lore makes perfect sense

[agile matrix]

they did! they spammed it in every channel

[sacred pilot]

Oh.

[woeful karma]

and a new player wont know that and thats okay

its not essential to make everything comprehensible immediately

its ok for a player to find something they dont really understand until later reveals

[eager bluff]

itll be explained further as you get farther into the game

[agile matrix]

i mean yeah but also like

not much else is. shown.

other than the demon itself but thats not really being an apprentice and instead being more a test dummy

[rancid lily]

guys who is silva and why does their remains take so long to be disposed of

[agile matrix]

goddess of life

[real glen]

Now to think of it, he's related to many things

[agile matrix]

very hard to kill them

[spare pier]

Anyways

@stiff berry what I mean here is

[rancid lily]

damn i guess it's as simple as that

[spare pier]

We will, inevitably, fuck up some shit when implementing lore

[woeful karma]

the point of environmental storytelling isnt to reveal the lore that's done through text
its to support it and ground it in the world

the voodoo demon shows that yeah, the guide really is worshipped by demons

[spare pier]

Instead of getting hung over about it and trying to explain why it sucks, we should just go back, address the criticism and make it better then

No one writing for Cal is dumb

We know when we fuck up

[rancid lily]

also why does killing dog buff events in terms of lore reasons?

[fast relic]

an image is not the serious brochacho

[dusk laurel]

there is no reason

[eager bluff]

he just does that

[long bloom]

not canon

[rancid lily]

sick 👍

[sacred pilot]

Not canon. Since it will be removed at some point (the event buff)

[fast relic]

hey YOU this channel is for lore only!!!!

[spare pier]

What I also mean here is that I'm tired boss

[sacred pilot]

You'll get the materials for post-DOG stuff in the future Distortion subworld.

[woeful karma]

can we kill this guy

[sacred pilot]

Concurred. Hammers?

[dusk laurel]

.

[split mortar]

Elemental and thus will always come back william afton Style and so got thrown in abyss to slow it

[spare pier]

I'm tired of having to explain that we will actually make the implementation better

😭

[woeful karma]

all lore additions are FINAL

[spare pier]

Like

[woeful karma]

calamity infamous for never reworking anything

[icy veldt]

I wish that were obvious to people, since it's basically the same thing that's also true on the gameplay/programming side: it's not going to be 100% perfect the first time, but it doesn't vitally need to be because that's what fixing things and updating the mod is for 💀

[eager bluff]

certainly not lore

[dusk laurel]

i love it when things dont change ever

definitely a thing that happens

[spare pier]

Ok

This will be more of a vent

[icy veldt]

Sus

[rancid lily]

is there a hint as to who xeroc is or do we just not know

[spare pier]

But a big reason why this stuff grates me so much is that it's basically impossible for us to get anything out

[long bloom]

[spare pier]

Because everything we write relies on so much shit being done to support it

[wanton pendant]

The first god and the guy talking to you in Boss Rush.

[spare pier]

Like, I'm sorry but this is fucking insane. We said in one throwaway line that the Guide is a warlock apprentice and no we've gone in a tangent about how that should be reflected in gameplay and that the Guide should have extra dialogue and that he should use a different weapon and that he should have something about spells and

[wanton pendant]

Yharim hates them.

[spare pier]

Do you see what I mean?

[rancid lily]

well yeah, but like

what relevancy do they have

[long bloom]

yeah i'd imagine trying to integrate lore into gameplay is

[wanton pendant]

They're the reason there are gods.

[spare pier]

We can't write anything to be expanded upon later

[rancid lily]

as far as i'm aware they only show up during boss rush

[spare pier]

Because if we do that, then it should be integrated now

[wanton pendant]

And as such Yharim wishes to kill those gods.

[spare pier]

And like

Sorry

[eager bluff]

first god

[spare pier]

I don't want that

[woeful karma]

trying to release something all at once in a finished package is a noble pursuit but sometimes you have to accept that things will be unfinished in an unfinished mod

[wanton pendant]

Because he thinks all gods are evil.

[spare pier]

I don't want my work to keep being held back and postponed forever and ever until people get around helping me implement it properly

Sometimes I will write something, shove it into the mod and if someone wants they can develop on it later via gameplay

Please bro I just want to write shit and tell a story

Of course I also want it to be as good as possible and for people to help me with it

[long bloom]

hopefully it'll get better now that you're mostly out of 2.1 purgatory

[rancid lily]

is that what happened with yharim? it looks like he's got pretty good lore but there's no visual sign of him in the mod

[wanton pendant]

That's because he's hiding in the Dragon Aerie.

[woeful karma]

i mean yes and no

[wanton pendant]

Which isn't implemented yet.

[spare pier]

This rant I'm going on is not me saying "I don't want the lore to be properly implemented I want everything to just be written text grrr"

[eager bluff]

yharim is less bottlenecked by implementation and more the devs want to do literally everything else before yharim

[spare pier]

This is me saying that sometimes I want my work to be out even if it's in a subpar state

We can make it better later

[rancid lily]

i swear yharim has been talked about for years and the lore could be so good but

[spare pier]

Just please let it exist first

[rancid lily]

dog rework

[long bloom]

well i appreciate the vanilla bestiary rewrite even though it's not perfect

i'm quite a fan

[rancid lily]

sunken sea rework

[long bloom]

he has lore

[sacred pilot]

Just wait my guy.

[rancid lily]

yeah, but it could be even better with full implementation

[woeful karma]

me when i list things that are better and more interesting than yharim:

[rancid lily]

i swear sunken sea is used by like 4 items, sometimes it's not even necessary going there

[sacred pilot]

Calamity already has problems of being a boss rush there is no reason to exasperate it even further.

[light linden]

hey laura?

[spare pier]

Yeah?

[scenic olive]

i think auric should sink in water and float in air

[dusk laurel]

id rather get any of the planned biome overhauls than yharim 😭

[sacred pilot]

Yes. That's the problem. It needs to be reworked so it has more relevance.

[split mortar]

Waiting to put yharim lore until he is added is effectively waiting the entire lore behind yharim being added

[light linden]

what's your favorite biome in terraria/calamity?

[spare pier]

Sunken Sea

[eager bluff]

piss hitler would add far less to the mod than making for example sunken sea good

[sacred pilot]

PISS HITLER-

[split mortar]

I mean that is true

[light linden]

I still want to see what a hallowed/astral infection sunken sea would look like

ik it won't happen

but I am curious

actually wait

[sacred pilot]

If you want the latter just look at our irl oceans.

[woeful karma]

i am gods strongest azafure fan

[sacred pilot]

Full of.

Microplastics.

[sacred pilot]

Me too.

That and Distortion for me.

[light linden]

astral sunken sea would just be the red zone from ark abberation

[dusk laurel]

the sunken sea overhaul (both parts) is fucking massive it would effectively triple the size of the biome, rework 5+ enemies and add 20+ enemies, an event, and 10 bajillion other things id boar someone if yharim released first

[scenic olive]

azafure content being almost nonexistent

[sacred pilot]

Yeah SSO would be gargantuan.

[scenic olive]

or at least almost irrelevant to the gameplay

[woeful karma]

give me a fucking city biome in terraria PLEASE....

[long bloom]

[dusk laurel]

SAVE ME BRIMSTONE CRAGS OVERHAUL

SHOW ME THE RUINS OF AZAFURE

[sacred pilot]

Yes. Which is why they plan to rework it at some point.

Probably after SSO.

[wanton pendant]

Octuple the world size, decuple the size of Azafure, give the Jungle a gun.

[real glen]

Are lore people starving again

[light linden]

that reminds me

[rancid lily]

sso being?

[long bloom]

no

[split mortar]

Sunken sea overhaul

[rancid lily]

oh shit yeah that makes sense

[wanton pendant]

We always hunger.

[sacred pilot]

Give the Jungle another boss too lmfao.

[light linden]

I gotta figure out how to code the vortex hive and solar longhouse

[dusk laurel]

i knew about most of the lore stuff added in this update already so not much has changed for me 😢

curse of having friends and being a patron

[wanton pendant]

Great idea, make Yharon Jungle only again.

[long bloom]

true

[light linden]

(unrelated to calamity btw)

[raven brook]

the monkey pawl curls

new york added to terraria

[woeful karma]

idk a biome with poison air sounds pretty cool

[raven brook]

there's new yorkers now

[dusk laurel]

manhattan

[woeful karma]

critter that has collision and blocks your movement

they spawn in the hundreds

[dusk laurel]

new giant rat miniboss

[light linden]

hmm

random thought, who invented the potion recipes we use?

do we just make em up?

[real glen]

Guide (of course its him)

[raven brook]

i feel like theyre probably a mundane thing

like potions of healing or potions of resistance like ironskin surely are like

extremely common worldwide

[light linden]

I was thinking stuff like

[eager bluff]

considering how often they're found in chests yeah

[light linden]

tesla, sulphurskin, inferno, and/or teleportation

[raven brook]

I like to think we invented the stink potion

and only the stink potion

all the other ones existed prior as general alchemical knowledge of varying degrees of complexity

[eager bluff]

i headcanon that teleportation potions are what happens if you fuck up some potions

[real glen]

How does guide know all those recipes

[eager bluff]

alternatively if a potion goes bad it might ferment into a teleportation potion

[raven brook]

videogame

there is no logical explanation for it because the only way to make it make sense is if the guide was utterly and completely omniscient

[split mortar]

Plays hideogames

[eager bluff]

like. there are 3 possible outcomes when making a potion
either you make the correct one
make one that fucking kills you
or make a teleportation potion

[cloud ibex]

AY I'M WALKIN 'ERE

[icy veldt]

Make one that fucking kills you by teleporting part of you

[spare pier]

I personally interpret the Guide giving you the recipes more as like

A suggestion

You show shit for him and you two together... ahem

Brainstorm ideas on how to use it

Of course late game items wouldn't be available immediately in this case

[real glen]

Bottle
-# (None)
Alchemy Table
-# (1/3 chance of not consuming ingredients)
Alchemy Flask
-# (1/3 chance of not consuming ingredients, grants the Alchemic Enhancement buff, which increases the duration of certain buffs by 20%)

[split mortar]

Why is this relevant here

[woeful karma]

isnt it obvious

[split mortar]

No

[crystal pond]

Is there ever going to be a post yharim; ie fighting xeroc

[languid badge]

8 year

[cloud ibex]

potentially

[languid badge]

give or take

[green prairie]

the terrarian obviously invented stink potions to fight yharim. i mean what, are you just gonna have your fated duel when you smell like ass?

[agile matrix]

"finally. our time has arr- what is that. dude no go home clean up go- no Go home. you smell like pure unfettered ass go home go into the river go clean yourself"

[green prairie]

meanwhile terrarian has the most smug, shit-eating grin

[tulip swan]

Just a question: if cars were a thing, would calamitas be a good driver?

[halcyon stone]

How/Why is Yharim so powerful?

I forgot but did he absorb one of the primordial dragons?

[split mortar]

No he didnt, he denied doing that to the last one yharon and instead is attuned to yharon

Yharim had a century of constant war and battle getting stronger and genociding the gods he worked extremely hard and also has the attunement to yharon letting him use the strongest material on the planet without issue (auric)

Tldr mix of being built different, insane levels of determination and effort and dragon attunement

[halcyon stone]

ah ic

what's his endgame goal again?

[wanton pendant]

Cars totally exist, I mean, they're in 1.4.5 so they'll be real eventually.
Anyway, she probably sucks because when on Earth would she get driving lessons.

[halcyon stone]

kill all the gods right?

[wanton pendant]

Kill all gods.

[split mortar]

Genocide all the gods yeah

And since age is catching up to him

YOU are who he wants to continue his genocides

So he has reason to lie and make himself not seem like piss hitler

[wanton pendant]

It's not lying, it's creative recounting.

[halcyon stone]

so, if yharim wants to set you up to kill the gods, why does yharon try to stop you?

[wanton pendant]

Doesn't want you to kill Yharim.

[split mortar]

Doesnt want you to kill yharim

[wanton pendant]

Which would be an inevitable conclusion to you meeting.

[halcyon stone]

jealous...

Scales whole deal is that she was born with ridiculous amount of power right? And connect to brimstone elemental

[wanton pendant]

She was not.

Unless 'Scales' is a new snake character I haven't heard of.

[halcyon stone]

SCal

autocorrect yay

[split mortar]

She was not born with that power she likely stole it from the brimstone elemental

[halcyon stone]

interesting

yharim had her trainee by one of the NPCs

then she backstabs yharim or smth

[wanton pendant]

She was indoctrinated as a child by him into military service.
She left after he ordered her to kill her adoptive father.

[zenith geode]

froze him in an ice prison to make him reasonably seem dead and "oh thats just one of his old constructs still roaming around"

[slate night]

So uh why is the clone of calamity, the latter being a completely normal sized woman, a huge brimstone monstrosity?

[wanton pendant]

Sprite outdated.

[zenith geode]

remnant of old shit, current explanation is a weird life support device iirc

[wanton pendant]

And she's not 'Clone of Calamity', she's Calamitas Clone.
Calamitas is the name of the woman.

[slate night]

So this boss is gonna be reworked and they're gonna give her a makeover

[zenith geode]

inf's forgotten shadow of calamitas is a lot more accurate to lore

at least in the sprite department

[split mortar]

Yes this goes for most bosses

[wanton pendant]

That's the idea.

[wanton pendant]

More accurate, certainly.

[slate night]

I honestly don't see what's wrong with the bosses besides clone of calamitas being easy for the stage of the game she appears in. I mean, have you seen the vanilla bosses?

Calamity ones are considerably more complex from the get go.

[wanton pendant]

I wouldn't say that...

[split mortar]

Dragonfolly is a altered mothron
Signus uses corite ai
Crabulon is mourning wood with vanilla projectiles slapped on
The exos cant hit you if you walk in a straight line
Cant remember what other bosses are like

Fabsol sucked at making bosses

[slate night]

Everyone around here seems to hate that guy

How long has he been gone

[split mortar]

Under a year, brainstorm is the first major update without the guy

[raven brook]

Objectively not really

[wanton pendant]

Half a year I think. A bit more than that.

[raven brook]

Look at Vanilla bosses and look at how many of them blatantly reuse the ai of other bosses but with additional projectiles

the answer is like. three of them

those being mech bosses

even queen slime acutally works very differently to king slime

meanwhile calamity bosses that's uhhh

all of them

[split mortar]

Which are meant to be similar

[raven brook]

they're just repurposed vanilla ai with stuff added ontop

[steel ginkgo]

Not long enough

[raven brook]

empress of light is the best boss in vanilla and she has not a single copied/repurposed bone in her body her ai is entirely original

[split mortar]

Surprised fabsol didnt assimilate her into bosses

[slate night]

If fabsol sucked this bad why wasn't he kicked out earlier

[steel ginkgo]

But honestly, I think the lore channel is the worst place to talk about that person

Trying to remove them from it as much as possible

Not much use in kicking that dead horse

[split mortar]

Owned the mod

[steel ginkgo]

That and he was manipulative, iirc

Or I could be pulling shit outta my ass

[cloud ibex]

because he was the guy at the top and everything before '25 was tolerable enough that the rest of the team could grit their teeth and tank it

[steel ginkgo]

So glad we're past that point

Great things to come

[raven brook]

my brain? storming.

[steel ginkgo]

My brain? In the gutter.

[wanton pendant]

My sunk? Sea.

[steel ginkgo]

-# oh no what have you done

[split mortar]

My harvest? Bountiful

[steel ginkgo]

Any other named updates in the past

At the end of that train if so

My calamari? Supremo.

[wanton pendant]

My drae? Don.

[split mortar]

My rust? Dust

[steel ginkgo]

My 1.4? .5ing.

Also, anything but lore in the lore channel.

[split mortar]

Im yet to finish brainstorm so no super theorising from me yet

[steel ginkgo]

Fair

What's the lore explanation for the Dirtiest Dirt Block?

[wanton pendant]

It's just really dirty man.

[steel ginkgo]

Awww

Lammmmeee

[agile matrix]

what do the letters in the new draedon arsenal stand for

[agile matrix]

aaah

nifty

[light linden]

prbwagssplspmalsrtsl

[steel ginkgo]

the P-ISS

[dusk laurel]

👎

[steel ginkgo]

[agile matrix]

zenith world drop from XB-inf Hekate

[steel ginkgo]

Hmm, the "P-NTH" perhaps?

[agile matrix]

it'd probably be A-GSS/PLS/PMA/LSR/TSL

but calling it the P(lowest tier dropped from highest tier boss)-ISS would be funny

[steel ginkgo]

I was making a weiner joke

Zenith to penith

But yes that works too

[agile matrix]

i mean at that rate just call it the P-NIS

and the NIS stands for Neutralizes Internal Systems

double double entendre

[steel ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/nodders-gif-26414892

Mmmm, no gif perms

[woeful karma]

because they couldnt just kick him out he owned everything

there had to be enough public outcry for him to be forced to step down

[plucky juniper]

iirc it was either he resigned or the ENTIRE DEV TEAM quitting on the spot, which would've just killed Calamity on the spot

in other words, he either steps down or the mod dies

[agile matrix]

fortunately, they had their chance

and people built the boat to shoot the whale

and now calamitys getting into its Awesome phase

[eager bluff]

unsure if it was entire as iirc about half the devs were asleep but like

yeah all the devs that were awake threatened a new exodus that this time he couldnt recover from

[light linden]

I still find it funny how I got ozzatron to end a bit of mine when it was like

day 3 of him being head mod

[worthy apex]

Wrong channel sorry

[sinful adder]

It's kind of funny. I had the stance that the 22 were right and fabsol was living garbage back then and I got temporarily banned for it or something like that

Now I can say that freely

[mint sonnet]

What motive does Xeroc have for betraying the dragon?

I think it would be more interesting if it wasn't purely out of greed

[agile matrix]

we’re not entirely sure if it was betrayal

[mint sonnet]

Oh?

[agile matrix]

(i think (i THINK)) our only source is Yharim who is not Exactly reliable

we know zeratros was massively weakened by Fovos but i dont think we know if Xeroc did the act bc betrayal or if they did it as a mercy

again i say i think bc i am not sure im just anti yharim propo

[mint sonnet]

My headcanon was that Xeroc had betrayed Zeratros reluctantly for survival as humanity was thoroughly fucked after the invasion

[feral skiff]

"alright guys fabsol isnt quitting so calamity mod is OVER now."

also, the new devourer of gods dialogue is interesting. does this imply that others tried to fight it and failed?

"you have done better than most, but don't get cocky!"

[mint sonnet]

Kind of like Laurence from Bloodborne ig? Even if humanity would change fundamentally and the world would become a bloodbath, Xeroc could have decided that absorbing the draconic soul was the only path forward that wasn't gradual extinction.

[split mortar]

1. We dunno what went on thee zeratros could have cinvinced xeroc to ascend for all we know
2. Zeratros was gonna die and yharon would have not been able to rebirth, ascending is not an immoral action
3. Moonlord came out of nowhere and if they lacked zeratros power while another apocalypse from nowhere appeared that would be really fucking bad news

[mint sonnet]

Yeah, I think that makes sense. Though Yharim seems to make a big deal out of it.

[split mortar]

Well yeah its yharim

[agile matrix]

its the first dragon permenantly dead

his entire thing was killing those who did that

[split mortar]

John super racist against gods and xeroc the THE god

[mint sonnet]

Lmao

Yeah, I think my favorite interpretation is the act actually being a betrayal but being morally gray rather than pure malice like Yharim seems to suggest.

[gentle osprey]

How many time does the lore have been changed?

[agile matrix]

i think four

[mint sonnet]

There was one massive rewrite iirc

[split mortar]

:idk: but the lore is much more consistent since the current continuity happened

[gentle osprey]

ohh wow it doesn't too bed

[mighty zenith]

there were a couple rewrites while the lore was in its infancy pretty much, the first BIG one was in 2023

[gentle osprey]

I really wish they could just keep the Terraria origin lore in the game and add the calamity lore over it a bit

[mighty zenith]

and thats when the writing team changed

[mint sonnet]

People don't seem to like original Terraria lore

[split mortar]

Terraria lore contradicts itself so uh

[mighty zenith]

that just wouldnt work, because you'd have to change a lot to make vanilla lore work

it wasnt made to be an actual story, it was made for shits and giggles

[split mortar]

Terraria lore is cool but is not focused on as much as cal lore
Not that thats a bad thing it just means the two are gonna be hard to fit

[mint sonnet]

Also I don't believe for a second that that idiot who dies every blood moon created the mechanical bosses

[mighty zenith]

(which is fine, just not what calamity is going on for)

[gentle osprey]

no you just keep the moonlord lore and the guild hold the knowledge of the world in it and the rest is just what the mod is

[split mortar]

Calamity pillars are like the exact opposite of vanilla pillar lore

Cal pillars help moonlord
Vanilla pillars sre part of the seal that kept it away iirrc

[agile matrix]

arent the pillars kinda like stabilizers in base vanilla

[mighty zenith]

calamity isnt vanilla lore

[mint sonnet]

Lunatic cultist is the one trying to seal the moon lord I think

[mighty zenith]

it doesnt want to be vanilla lore

[mint sonnet]

In vanilla

[mighty zenith]

its as simple as that

[agile matrix]

could have the lunatics keep the seal up but now that its crushed ml uses them against the guys

[split mortar]

LC trying to free ml actually in vanilla

[agile matrix]

In My Take

[mint sonnet]

Oh, really?

[gentle osprey]

yes exactly, imagine moonlord was an accident

[mighty zenith]

wdym accident

[split mortar]

Yea

[split mortar]

Wha

[split mortar]

Calamity cultist is trying to keep ml away

[agile matrix]

accident, noun, an oopsie

[gentle osprey]

separate the entity the moonlord was different from the cthulhu

[mint sonnet]

That doesn't sound very lunatic of him

[agile matrix]

misnomer from vanilla

really the correct term is Dragon Cultist iirc

[mighty zenith]

he's a lunatic

[mint sonnet]

Wait, the name is changed in Calamity?

[mighty zenith]

as in he's fucking crazy

[agile matrix]

no; lorewise

[mighty zenith]

instead of lunatic as in he likes the moon

[split mortar]

^

The guy is still insane

[agile matrix]

luna

[mighty zenith]

its an obsession but not out of fascination, its more like a phone addiction

just extreme

[gentle osprey]

I never know in calamity lore lunatic cultist was the one that try to keep moonlord away

[agile matrix]

im so addicted to moonmock guys

[mint sonnet]

Ah got it

[agile matrix]

newest meme: Golgof

[mint sonnet]

Why is Fovos so weak gameplay wise though

How is he fucking weaker than bumblebirbs

[mighty zenith]

it was one of those details that wasnt in the game, but now is thanks to the bestiary

[mighty zenith]

he's literally half dead

everything past his chest is missing

[split mortar]

Look at the guy is that healthy

[mighty zenith]

his brain is exposed

[mint sonnet]

Lmao

[mighty zenith]

he just woke up pretty much

[split mortar]

If i cut you in half ripped out your organs and tore off half your skull are you healthy

[mighty zenith]

and he's still like 0.1% of the strongest creatures in the world

[mint sonnet]

Ah, Dark Souls logic

[gentle osprey]

does the calamity lore take some detail from the fandom idea or not?

[agile matrix]

Fandom is like if you asked 1000 chimpanzees to write all of shakespeare

[gentle osprey]

or there is actually someone out there written all of this

[split mortar]

Yeah theres a writer team

Cei, hagurihat, stipulate venus and prob some more

[agile matrix]

we love the lore team

[gentle osprey]

I see

[agile matrix]

how do i ask this like
correctly????

which ones the one with uhhh

whats the. word.

headmates?????????

[split mortar]

Hagurihat

[agile matrix]

im so foreign on the topic i dont want to be rude

okay cool i knew i recognized the name

[eternal veldt]

Lorewise is endgame terrarian considered a deity at that point of the game cuz bro is squaring up with gods

[jaunty wraith]

Why does draedon use mechs to fight us, why doesnt he fight us himself. Is he stupid?

[scenic olive]

he have anxiety

[eternal veldt]

Same thing as a meelee main asking the mage to fistfight

[scenic olive]

closeted introvert AI

[green prairie]

fighting's not his thing! besides he is trying to push the boundaries of robotics and science

[eternal veldt]

Also

[jaunty wraith]

The final 2 fights funnily enough aernt even gods

Nor is yharon and DoG

[long bloom]

the final god in progression is providence

[split mortar]

No

[long bloom]

and eventually ravager

[split mortar]

Ravager is already half post providence

[long bloom]

true

[green prairie]

i'd think they can rival gods can't they? (Calamitas has killed a god too right?)

[eternal veldt]

Im guessing he's somethig like a champion instead of a god then?

[long bloom]

yeah you've killed 3 gods

and calamitas killed at least one

[zenith geode]

something something terrarian is you

[split mortar]

If that were the case everything in hardmode and post ml would be gods

[eternal veldt]

Damn LMAO then i wanna be a god with a harem of elemental gods then is that possible?

[jaunty wraith]

The exo mechs havent killed any. We know they wouldnt beat xeroc but since they have a simular power to calamitas id assume they bypass most

[split mortar]

Yharim killed most of the gods

[long bloom]

sorry, you cannot be a god (unless you already were before the deific era ended)

[split mortar]

And no viable dragon to become a god

[jaunty wraith]

Yharon still exists

[green prairie]

Exos fighting as a team would absolutely be able to kill a god (maybe not perfectly-ascended gods like Silva and Xeroc but anything else? absolutely)

[split mortar]

viable

yharon is a BITCH to catch

[long bloom]

his soul is inaccessible and you don't even know the ritual

[zenith geode]

the only beings that would know the ritual would either not tell you (xeroc) or are so dementia ridden that you'd just get a chatgpt seahorse emoji response (hivemind)

[split mortar]

The ritual part is up to you (🫵) but the soul part yeah a bitch

[eternal veldt]

Im just gonna pretend my character is a minor deity that just managed to gain power recently

[long bloom]

i don't think perfect ascension affects your power level
seeing as the second most powerful god was imperfectly ascended

[long bloom]

there's no such thing as a minor deity

you're either a god or you're not

[jaunty wraith]

Have you tried eating the egg?

[long bloom]

no inbetween

[sacred pilot]

Please don't eat me.

[green prairie]

yeah in hindsight i think the Exos could probably get the jump on Silva and kill her

[zenith geode]

iirc perfect ascension does make you stronger than if it was an imperfect but shakidou was already just really strong and got a really good domain

[split mortar]

Gods in calamity are people who ascended with a auric dragons soul
Yharon is the only one left cause everyone ate the dragons
Also yeah no minor deity in cal you are a god or you arent

[long bloom]

the exos could kill providence easily if she didn't run away

[eternal veldt]

Damn it kill everything exist it is then if i can't be a god no one can

[jaunty wraith]

Silva has survived because being the goddess of life, she might not be able to truly die

[zenith geode]

you could be revered as a god but lack a godly soul a la astrum deus

[zenith geode]

also elemental

[green prairie]

OH right shes an elemental too

[long bloom]

she's unable to die because she's the nature elemental

[jaunty wraith]

Thats why the solution is just to throw her in the abyss

[split mortar]

Life dragon able to die the elemental part more important to not dying

[eternal veldt]

Also how do i get the thing that summons all elementals... for a uhhh reasons

[zenith geode]

life dragon was probably not super easy to kill but like yeah the elemental part is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there

[split mortar]

The elementals (other then silva) are not gods btw

You craft it

[long bloom]

at ancient manipulator

[eternal veldt]

I know. I saw it in a vid i wanna know how to obtain it

[split mortar]

Its not even that good sadly

[long bloom]

yeah it's mid

[split mortar]

Unless it was reworked in bs

[long bloom]

it was not

[eternal veldt]

Im a rogue so it doesn't matter LMAO

[long bloom]

it's all class

[zenith geode]

iirc pretty good on deus and ml but falls off a cliff postml

[split mortar]

Best part of it is the like 15hp every 2 seconds you might get iirc

[zenith geode]

heartreach makes the rare sand healing way more consistent

[split mortar]

Yeah but still not guaranteed