lore-discussion

[raven brook]

AGNUS NUMERO UNO CAMPEAO DO MUNDO

His design is sooooo good

[woeful karma]

LIKE if you think this woman is just as beautiful as old cloudy

[simple tangle]

agnus gets to haveall these monstrous traits and body shape and silva doesnt get close to that 😔

[late veldt]

who is Magnus again

[compact ridge]

Agnus is also my beloved

[late veldt]

agnus

angus

[simple tangle]

ravager before the incident

[late veldt]

is that the ravager

[compact ridge]

Ravager before dead

[raven brook]

It perfectly reflects the character in so many ways and its wonderful how despite being a objectively monstrous design he still has a sort of soft, friendly look to him

[compact ridge]

Yeah

[raven brook]

which is so fitting

[compact ridge]

Agnus is the god of sacrifice

[raven brook]

he may look like a monster but hes one of the nicest damn people youll ever meet

its also just a great trope

why do you think people like the hunchback of notredrame

or however it is you say his name

[compact ridge]

Yeah honestly fair enough, Silva’s design kinda pales in comparison to him

[raven brook]

Silva's design dosent really reflect her very meaningfully as a character while Agnus very much does imo

[light linden]

ngl I do not like this design much

[raven brook]

its the main problem

Silva is just kinda generic

[late veldt]

we've got Magnus and agnus and Nox and Noxus and nyx we are great at naming shit

[cosmic zenith]

Agreed

I guess I just like the mother nature trope

[raven brook]

emeralddd this isnt the right channel for thattt

[late veldt]

we need more women

[light linden]

it looks less like brimstone and more so like a legend of zelda boss

[late veldt]

giving Draedon robot estrogen

[cosmic zenith]

Nyx'aldan smh.....

[light linden]

hi stip

[cosmic zenith]

ello

Hello*

[compact ridge]

I still enjoy Silva’s design bc like she looks good but it is pretty basic

[late veldt]

allo

[light linden]

can I ask a question?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[raven brook]

I think Silva can still be a fairly human design cuz i think it makes absolute sense for her

But i think she can just

do more with the concpet of Life Goddess over Plant

I don't think

[woeful karma]

EXTREMELY LOUD CORRECT BUZZER

[raven brook]

Silva being a monstruous desiign would make sense

[simple tangle]

otonilou better have a killer design

[raven brook]

She already hahs one

She's had one for ages

[light linden]

if you could vaporize one thing from the lore/mod what would it be?

[raven brook]

like one of the first lore characters to ever get one

:sob

[compact ridge]

She is a perfect god so I don’t think she’d be too monstrous

[raven brook]

It's not even about perfection or not tbh

It's about characterization

And with the way gods work

And also Silva is a shapeshifter

[late veldt]

do you think estrogen would save Yharim (no)

[raven brook]

and i think

[woeful karma]

no

[raven brook]

even if her "true" form in theory wasnt very human

[simple tangle]

no

[raven brook]

she'd make herself look human

regardless

[compact ridge]

Yeah

[woeful karma]

the design is very human

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-lets-have-a-watch-lets-have-a-gander-british-lets-take-a-look-gif-16381601501683631907

[late veldt]

also wdym Silva got the first monstrous design

are you talking about the plant goop

[compact ridge]

Egg

[late veldt]

egg

[compact ridge]

Eggsac goop

[eager bluff]

otonilou got the first design is whats being referred to iirc

[dusk laurel]

its really common for life deities in media to be mostly a plant with some tree elements and sometimes some horns or antlers added on but it doesnt get more variety other than that

[raven brook]

Yeah i'm sasying otonilou was one of the first characters only in lore not yet in the mod

[compact ridge]

This is because plants are pretty

[raven brook]

that got a design

[cosmic zenith]

I wouldn't vaporize, but if I had no consequences (of any sort), I'd completely change and de-scope Draedon

[cosmic zenith]

That's the first thing that comes to mind

Oh, also nuking EoL

[feral skiff]

wait why?

isn’t draedon like

good

[late veldt]

I reiterate my homosexuality

[compact ridge]

EoL did nothing wrong other than steal and be evil

[agile matrix]

their halo looks more like their eye than their eye does

[raven brook]

not my favorite vanilla boss....

[late veldt]

eol lore is poo poo

[woeful karma]

nooooo.....

[raven brook]

i dont see it

their eye is pretty obviously an eye i think

[agile matrix]

honestly making EoL a reeaaaally distant follower of Xeroc may be cool

[cosmic zenith]

Draedon is a massive powercreeping and tech monopolizing influence
I won't say Draedon is a bad character and I'm glad that he exists, but I would never have created him as a character and some parts of it are genuinely damaging

[simple tangle]

not beating the allegations

[agile matrix]

i mean this doesnt sound like an issue of Draedon and more an issue of Other Comparisons

[late veldt]

the thing about Draedon is just like. all of the technology comes from him

all of it

[agile matrix]

i think Wulfrum did great for Draedon because yes. other stuff Exists.

[late veldt]

it's really weird

[compact ridge]

He’s just that guy

[late veldt]

-# especially if you try to create. a second source technology

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah, that's the problem - he just is that guy

[late veldt]

-# but that's neither here nor there

[woeful karma]

sometimes i hate being a patron

[agile matrix]

like, to our knowledge, we either

just know how to make the weapon with the materials
the source of it comes from Draedon
the source of it comes from Wulfrum Engis

[compact ridge]

Yeah fair enough

[cosmic zenith]

Changing that is changing Draedon in a fundamental level

[woeful karma]

imagine that feral halloween animatronic

[agile matrix]

theres not really other sources of Things

[compact ridge]

Draedon is like too cracked for his own good

[simple tangle]

presumably azafure had a lot of industry

[woeful karma]

thats me rn wanting to talk abt patreon exclusive stuff

[agile matrix]

he Should be Cracked, but he shouldn't be That cracked

dude Is the greatest engineer to roam the stars as we know of but like

[late veldt]

ok garbo

[agile matrix]

there had to have been Other Stuff.

[raven brook]

:meurs

[late veldt]

yeah it's just weird that everyone else is medieval and then Draedon is space age

[raven brook]

Don't say that.

[compact ridge]

Aw ok 😔

[agile matrix]

i mean it'd be neat to see some Medieval Draedon Stuff

[cosmic zenith]

Unironically, I find a Daedalus character a lot more compelling and it's somewhat the direction I'd go for if I were to build a Calamity-like lore from the ground up

[raven brook]

To be fair

I kind of fuck with that

It's a very unqiue dynamic that i dont really see in alot of other settings

Some cultures are still like

medieval age

others? industrial

and some are fuckin

[cosmic zenith]

Not everything is medieval, but yeah, Draedon is quite ahead

[raven brook]

modern day cellhpones and shit

[agile matrix]

like, in my head theres like at least Six places you could get mechanica from

but we don't really get to explore that

[simple tangle]

the mechanic mogs draedon every day of the week

[raven brook]

Cuz Draedon's technology was generally something Yharmy and Yharmy supporting-civilizations had access too right

That was one of many strategies yharim used

to get ppl to support/join him

so it really is just

ultimatete technological inequality world

some people have modern firearms and cellphones and air fryers

[late veldt]

-# it also fucks with you if you have to make another entity with similar levels of tech

[agile matrix]

most of the former kingdoms very likely had technica, but both mainly focus on their organics instead of their technica

[woeful karma]

its very interesting ya

[raven brook]

others have like industrial revolution level technologies with steam-powered machines and primitive elctricity

[cosmic zenith]

Daedalus in Percy Jackson my somewhat partially beloved

[agile matrix]

Daedalus stuff isnt as appealing to me since we lack Environment

[raven brook]

And then theres some guys taht a re just stuck with medieval stuff riding horses and firing arrows from bows and shit

[simple tangle]

and Magical Electricity

[agile matrix]

well thats not It though

their bows shoot Funny Arrows

[cosmic zenith]

Not specifically the old lore Daedalus mind you

[simple tangle]

what did daedalus do?

[agile matrix]

i mean "as of current from what i remember of the Blue and Pink Guy

[cosmic zenith]

I mean the overall concept of a reclusive prodigy inventor

Daedalus doesn't exist in new lore though

[agile matrix]

isnt that Draedon

[cosmic zenith]

Wildly different executions, also Draedon is far from reclusive in personality

[compact ridge]

Daedalus exists in my heart

[agile matrix]

really i think the issue is just a lack of enviroment to have the stuff

the main Technology Stuff you can find are either

ruined
not doing the best (Draedon)
Draedon Lab

[cosmic zenith]

Draedon has an absurd amount of tangible content

[agile matrix]

no i mean like

for Others

[woeful karma]

had to purposefully make my brain not read this as pink and yellow

[cosmic zenith]

Ah, I see

[agile matrix]

Draedon has so much stuff on the map that it kinda cuffs the other

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[simple tangle]

itd be nice seeing a structure for wulfrum stuff i think :)

[agile matrix]

(really i just wanna see how Azafure and Ilmeris used Technica

[cosmic zenith]

Every time someone asks for more Draedon worldgen content, an angel loses its wings

[raven brook]

wulfrum

nervous gulp

[agile matrix]

just make a new Draedon Dimension and he just takes you on a tour of his lab

[simple tangle]

id argue theres a bit too much...

[cosmic zenith]

I'm glad my goat Calamitas is supposed to be just as relevant

[agile matrix]

you get to propose a cure to Astral Infection (its called shooting it with a big ass fucking gun)

[cosmic zenith]

:)

[compact ridge]

Calamitas my goat

[simple tangle]

im scared

pls dont kill wulfrum

[late veldt]

what

[raven brook]

i just have wulfrum brainrot because alot of roy demo content has to do with wulfrum

😭

[late veldt]

i check calmain for the first time in 20 years and they're taking John Wulfrum out back

[raven brook]

i cant hear the word wulfrum without my brain immediately going JELLO WARMY JELLO WARMY

[agile matrix]

What

[cosmic zenith]

Fun fact, I made a Wulfrum base for the trailer as both a showcase of the new furniture and a test of my skills so I have a better idea of how to make worldgenned Wulfrum structures in the future
It was scrapped, though

[raven brook]

roydev inside joke

wulfrum brainrot

dw about it

[simple tangle]

you'd never hurt this precious creatue right

[raven brook]

throws it

[cosmic zenith]

But I'm keeping for future trailers

[agile matrix]

it was What

[simple tangle]

wtf is a roy

[dusk laurel]

id tear it apart

[agile matrix]

Reign of Yharim

[late veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/don't-starve-don't-starve-together-wagstaff-laser-death-gif-10095626038104206041

[simple tangle]

ohh

[agile matrix]

i have no clue whats in the mod

[late veldt]

they're doing that to John

[raven brook]

its

not a mod

[compact ridge]

Beautiful bsby that I love

[raven brook]

youve been told this

https://tenor.com/view/mario-depressed-walk-rain-cloudy-gif-13721018252358245439

[agile matrix]

do you see why i said that.

i dont know whats in the game

Corrective.

[compact ridge]

it’s like a seperate game I thinki

[raven brook]

it is a separate game yes

[simple tangle]

literally emotes :) and everything
precious creature

[light linden]

I still want calamitas bwaaa

[raven brook]

wow! calamity as its own game! no way

[long bloom]

so far nothing (game don't exist)

[cosmic zenith]

Reign of Yharim is a gambling addon for Calamity

[raven brook]

nvm

swtip is right

thats exactly what it is

[agile matrix]

well yeah but what does Reign of Yharim Plan to do

[raven brook]

sorry everyone

we lied

pack it up

[dusk laurel]

no

[raven brook]

adapt calamity's story into its own game thats not a terraria mod

it's a metroidvania

[cosmic zenith]

Yharim wants YOU to fund his army get RICH!

[woeful karma]

oh

[compact ridge]

Reign of Yharim adds Yharcoins you can bet on bosses

[agile matrix]

do i get to beat that Chud up and/or do i get to do Draedon Puzzles

[raven brook]

y ep

[compact ridge]

Obviously

[raven brook]

always gamble

[woeful karma]

mean

[late veldt]

carrot on a stick to me

[compact ridge]

What do we even know about Reign of Yharim actually like who’s the player lol

[simple tangle]

4 trillion projects for calamity

[woeful karma]

jacob bryson

[compact ridge]

I’m curious bc it seems rlly cool

[long bloom]

[raven brook]

Subject Roy

my favorite character

[agile matrix]

what do we Do though

[agile matrix]

like do i Kill People or

[late veldt]

they named the subject of the story the subject

peak I must admit 😭

[raven brook]

ok so imagine what you do in calamity

[agile matrix]

Uhuh

[raven brook]

now imagine doing that outside of calamity

[compact ridge]

Kill peiple

[raven brook]

gg

[agile matrix]

Uhuh

[simple tangle]

KILL EVERYONE

[late veldt]

why is Roy allowed here and not the rolled play

[agile matrix]

i am Arrested for First Degree Murder

[late veldt]

I want Roy Calamity executed

[agile matrix]

i mean if the Game shakes out Good then Yay

[compact ridge]

Roy “subject” RoY

[raven brook]

the conversation kind of went into roy incidentally and i will now say we should stop before i get shot

[agile matrix]

if its Bad then you will be Obliterated

[raven brook]

go to another channel if you want to talk about it or something

im willing to im jane roy

[compact ridge]

Aw ok

[raven brook]

i code a da game

[simple tangle]

the roy ninjas...

[raven brook]

i write a da lore

wahoo

[late veldt]

rane joy

[raven brook]

got o general or something i guess that feels fitting enough

or DONT because you hate me

[dusk laurel]

you suck smh my head

[cosmic zenith]

Too bad I was gonna shoot you anyways

After all, the movies teach people that cheese is always cake slice shaped with several holes, and the movies are never wrong

[steel ginkgo]

Oh gosh sorry guys

I didn't mean it that way, dang

I meant more so just anyone can mod the game. I did NOT mean anyone on the Clam dev team or anything like that

[long bloom]

whar

[woeful karma]

?

[steel ginkgo]

I'm not fully aware of what Fab did, but I know it was bad, okay?

When I said earlier about some female character sprites being iffy with stupid fucking proportions

I never said it mattered to me, I was just trying to give everyone an out

Fuck me, dude

Guess I'll leave

[long bloom]

i have absolutely no clue what you're talking about but uhhhhh

cool 👍

[sinful adder]

You know what, fair

Ultimately I don't care either way

[long bloom]

i don't think someone having large boobs is inherently bad personally

[steel ginkgo]

First day here and I've already pissed off at least one person

[sinful adder]

Ok I like it but. It's a lot. Maybe too much

[long bloom]

yeah join the club

[long bloom]

i like it because it allows more room for that cool skin detailing

[woeful karma]

not what im saying

[long bloom]

ok i just feel like i see a lot of that around here

[woeful karma]

but current brimmy is obvious goon fuel and dias scrapped one he literally didnt even realize how huge he was making them 😭

[long bloom]

i do not see an issue with the latter but current sprite yeah it's iffy

also just
super boring

oh boy 2 colors

[woeful karma]

because fab did that a lot and always deliberately sexualizng them

[long bloom]

yeah true

i just don't wanna swing too far into puritanism

[raven brook]

Its so fuckinf funny

Not even trying to sexualize her bro was just clueless

😭

[woeful karma]

lost in the sauce

[long bloom]

lmao

[steel ginkgo]

Sorry, what I said earlier wasn't even nearly worded in a respectful way. I was just trying to play devil's advocate, and let me tell you, I am no gooner.

[long bloom]

message of all time i think

[woeful karma]

its not that serious

[steel ginkgo]

I'm going to bed. I went off to terraria, checked my phone, saw what everyone was saying about me, and got major cold sweats

Freaked me the fuck out

[woeful karma]

yea i get that

[agile matrix]

"...and let me tell you, I am no gooner."
actually legendary statement??? shakespeare lives on

[simple tangle]

?

oh

ight above

[spare valley]

Absolute cinema

[visual kiln]

Becomd #1 Calamitas Fan again imo

[woeful karma]

oh tru

[simple tangle]

and let me tell you

[warm gull]

boy don't get me started

[pulsar ocean]

why doesnt permafrost just cryofreeze himself and wake up 100000 years later

[green prairie]

i mean, it's not like he didn't do that

[pulsar ocean]

isnt he only 400

doubt he'd cryofreeze for such a short period of time

[green prairie]

knowing the Calamity world he'd probably be dug up before 100000 years have passed (or the sun will blow up before then)

[split mortar]

Elemental of nature which seems to be basically synonymous to the life domain but elemental flavoured instead of god flavoured
Which means not really fixing anything

[craggy sparrow]

Why didn't permafrost solo yharim

isn't he fast and can freeze his enemies

[pulsar ocean]

hes not fast hes old

[craggy sparrow]

for my safety

this is a one piece joke

from aokiji fans

[green prairie]

he's... what?

[craggy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gerson-old-man-gerson-hammer-of-justice-roaring-knight-the-roaring-knight-gif-15019942669921344454

pretend this embeded

and its super funny

[green prairie]

the fucking susie in that gif i cant

[robust osprey]

I mean

perma kinda gives the vibes

of gerson

kinda

[pulsar ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/tomascore-horse-angel-devil-two-sides-gif-7377623799321543700

[green prairie]

he totally has the vibes and can absolutely 100% kick some ass but i don't think he's nearly as strong as darkworld Gerson

[pulsar ocean]

no he doesnt

[robust osprey]

supreme archmage permafrost or something

[green prairie]

supreme archmage isn't canon is it?

[split mortar]

Its gfb so no

[robust osprey]

probably not but like

[pulsar ocean]

isnt permafrost already the supreme archmage if we dont know of any other archmages

[robust osprey]

I dont think he is mechs tier like

😭

[pulsar ocean]

is the true copper shortsword canon

[split mortar]

Deltarune and undertale are
Sorta impossible
To powerscale

[pulsar ocean]

how does gerson know how to fight and has weapons if monsters in deltarune never had magic

[mighty zenith]

a lot of things are kinda impossible to powerscale tbh

like the people powerscaling fucking monika

like what

[robust osprey]

erases xeroc's files

ez

[mighty zenith]

seems to be like, an instinct

cause undyne does the same

also susie

[robust osprey]

gerson also probably already went to a dark world

[mighty zenith]

fair point actuallu

[split mortar]

Isnt darkworld gerson a darkner heavily based on gerson and not literally lightworld gerson alive again

[split mortar]

Whuh

[robust osprey]

I'd say he is as strong as Actual Gerson

[pulsar ocean]

pretty sure its memories of gerson from the dude that made the dark world and also his dust from the drawer in the church

[robust osprey]

he does have somerhing somethinf about the best ideas coming from dreams on his memorial

[split mortar]

Yeah heavily based on gerson but not the guy back to life

[split mortar]

I take it you mean gerson if in a darkworld .

[robust osprey]

yeah of course

[split mortar]

Feels like a reach to me to say thats darkworld proof rn

[robust osprey]

he's also like

insane strong

[split mortar]

Yeah
Whatabout that

[robust osprey]

no other lightner as been that strong

other than susie who at that point it was her fourth darkworld

[pulsar ocean]

gerson is made of remnant like in fnaf

[split mortar]

Susie is NOT as strong as gerson 😭

[robust osprey]

or but will be (probably?)

(maybe??)

[pulsar ocean]

susie never reaching levels of green buster

[robust osprey]

ok point is

theres no way that is the man's first time

[split mortar]

I dont see it

[pulsar ocean]

why would gaster give gerson out of all people a shadow crystal

[green prairie]

because he wrote fucking deltarune lord of the rings, he can do whatever he wants

[robust osprey]

ok fair enough

[pulsar ocean]

theres actually no way gerson wouldve been able to write lord of the rings based on the prophecy if he hasnt been to a dark world to see it for himself

[robust osprey]

but I do think "the best ideas come from dreams" is pretty fair proof for it

[green prairie]

also im not sure its Gaster giving them out (i think its the Knight) but whoever did it they probably did because hes strong as hell

[split mortar]

The prophecy exists in the light world theres literally a section where lighhtworld people talk about it???

[robust osprey]

everyone in hometown know about the prophecy just not the full thing

[young socket]

couldve based it on the light world version

also shadow crystals are weird

we dont know how jevil had one still

[split mortar]

Weird determination things that do ?????

[split mortar]

Thought it would have been the knight since yknow jevil met the knight

[robust osprey]

he did met the knight so maybe they gave it to him

[green prairie]

is this calamity lore discussion or deltarune lore discussion? /j

[pulsar ocean]

is the roaring knight the same aura farming flying roaring knight in the light world if black shards dont lose property in lightworld

[young socket]

ability to change the future is my thought

considering how kris uses it in front of the prophecies

especially the last one

[split mortar]

Dont the prophecies literally not change

[young socket]

yea

[split mortar]

Possibly

[robust osprey]

yeah

[young socket]

theyre expecting it to change with the shadow crystals

but prophecy is just above that ig

[split mortar]

Yet it isnt

[split mortar]

If the future (other then prophecy) isnt deterministic then the shadow crystals changing future dont matter since anyone can do that

[robust osprey]

ok how is kris losing a hand changing the future

[pulsar ocean]

obviously asriel is the roaring knight and he works with carol and kris to bring back dess

[split mortar]

College

[pulsar ocean]

he couldve just like yk
lied

[robust osprey]

are you sure about that

[split mortar]

Yes cause that would be a easy thing to lie about

[robust osprey]

asriel knight has been taking strenght lately..

[split mortar]

Asriel knight is fucking dumb

[robust osprey]

he could have you know

[young socket]

what if gerson was the knight and he isnt actually dead

[robust osprey]

came early with the internet literally dead

[green prairie]

i'll always personally believe Dess Knight but i also think Rudy Knight has legs and isn't impossible

[young socket]

ever thought about that

[split mortar]

Rudy kidnapping undyne in the light world somehow

[pulsar ocean]

knight's final attack is literally asriel's "hyper goner" phase transition attack
the shadow mantle protects against star/dark type attacks and who else threw stars at us in undertale

[robust osprey]

never understimate the old guy in a hospital bed

[split mortar]

Was ch1 with the internet down

[green prairie]

(not gonna mention that Dess also has a star motif of her own. see her room? plus she was really close with Asriel)

[robust osprey]

no I think the whole game

up until now

it atleast it until ch2 end

bc queen says something about it I forgor

[pulsar ocean]

not seeing the knight throw ice and snow at us like im guessing everyone in the holiday family would do

[mighty zenith]

deltaune

[robust osprey]

ok what if rudy and dess just have. a different type of shit that isnt ice

[mighty zenith]

some sort of ice and fire...

[split mortar]

You aint convincing me asgore fought asriel hard enough to get the blackshard with how much asgore cares about him

[mighty zenith]

asriel??

[split mortar]

Doesnt the knight literally control the weather into a tempest during the ch3 fight

[split mortar]

Asriel knight was brought up

[pulsar ocean]

didnt asgore find the black shard literally on the ground in the holiday residence

[green prairie]

northern lights are pretty synonymous with icy stuff, and they're celestial phenomena

[robust osprey]

asgore fought em?

[split mortar]

Ashore has blackshard somehow

[young socket]

no but a lot of the text in the knights fight talks about the cold

[robust osprey]

I'd argue norternlight is more associated with noelle than the knight

[split mortar]

And like how else do we get it other then breaking the sword

[young socket]

this could be something about the knight

[robust osprey]

the fight also takes place in a snowy place

[young socket]

but it could also be because its literally just cold cuz the doors ajar

[split mortar]

Text in the knight fight also mentions it getting really stormy as indicator for some attacks

[green prairie]

i give up. you're the knight

[split mortar]

Not just randomly but for specific attacks

[young socket]

YOU're the knight

[mighty zenith]

asriel knight sucks im ngl

[split mortar]

Yeah

[mighty zenith]

its one of those theories where ppl came up with it on a "this would be cool" basis

[split mortar]

Also wow asriel is the twist villain again in a toby fox game wow so shock

[pulsar ocean]

do you have any other plausible theory
dess is looking for herself?

[green prairie]

ill always be a Dess Knight believer because it feels more satisfying for the narrative itself (hence why i always deny Papyrus Knight since that shit SUCKS)

[mighty zenith]

corrupted dess

is my go to rn

[young socket]

always bet on papyrus knight

[robust osprey]

garbo. ban this papyrus knight hater.

[split mortar]

Papyrus knight just feels like a funny coincidence and if people are taking it genuine theyre taking that too far

[pulsar ocean]

didnt toby radiation fox state himself that once people played mother 3 they would realize how unoriginal he is

[mighty zenith]

see papyrus knight is funny

asriel knight isnt

[green prairie]

my theory was Dess is half-dead or corrupt or something and Carol is working with/blackmailing Kris to help bring her back, since they had something to do with her death/corruption most likely

[split mortar]

Thats not good proof for something

[robust osprey]

ok but what about the knight is asriel's soul and ralsei is PILES O-

[mighty zenith]

i cant believe he made a second video on that

and its WORSE THAN THE FIRST ONE

[young socket]

yes and currently the implication is that dess is dead so if we are going with the interpretation that the knight is based on the masked man then its more likely dess knight if ur taking that route

sob

[split mortar]

Also it took quite a bit of effort to not mention the unused shadow crystal text hinting at the knight having snowgrave

[robust osprey]

DESS SOUL THEORY 😭

I'm ngl that shit so ass

[green prairie]

i really do appriciate Toby Fox for making the Knight mystery actually pretty layered and it has a ton of viable candidates but good god i cant believe some people actually believe Papyrus Knight

[pulsar ocean]

isnt papyrus knight just a fat layer of irony

[green prairie]

besides would it even be in character for him to be the Knight????

[robust osprey]

papyrus knight is meme

[split mortar]

I hope so

[green prairie]

no i've seen some people genuinely believe it

[mighty zenith]

papyrus knight is a meme that kind of looped around to being treated seriously by some people

but the majority doesnt take it seriously

[green prairie]

but like, he would not do that actually

[mighty zenith]

hell, im pretty sure forgotten man papyrus has more evidence lmao

[robust osprey]

it was kinda serious when it was born on those already distant ch2 eras but like

[pulsar ocean]

scrap papyrus knight
WHEN DO WE MEET THE GUY
sans has been delaying that shit SINCE CHAPTER 1

[young socket]

EGG
🥚

[green prairie]

forgotten man could be fucking anyone at this point i give up with theorizing until toby drops Ch5 this morning

(its gonna happen trust)

[robust osprey]

hey garbo. what is papyrus' favorite food

[mighty zenith]

OATMEAL WITH DINOSAUR EGGS

[pulsar ocean]

people forgot gaster once he fell in the core gg ez

[young socket]

ch5 drops on my birthday (again)

[pulsar ocean]

whens that

[young socket]

june 4th

[pulsar ocean]

happy birthday

[robust osprey]

PAPYRUS -- 3 ATK 3 DEF

• Forgettable.

[green prairie]

i remember playing deltarune ch3/4 on release day and then sitting in the rain in front of a best buy that night for a switch 2

[robust osprey]

guys it's right ther

[pulsar ocean]

3 times stronger than sans

[robust osprey]

not even his real stats thats the geno stats which he lowers for some reason????

[green prairie]

i was still processing everything that i just witnessed (i didn't even do the Knight/ShadowMantle crap. i was still just so shocked)

[robust osprey]

wait HE CAN DO THAT???

[mighty zenith]

he lowers because he drops his guard

thats how stats work in undertale

[pulsar ocean]

doesnt that indicate that hes sparing you and you can do a betrayal kill

[mighty zenith]

undyne jumps in front of monster kid and gets oneshot for instance when usually she has a shit ton of defense

[robust osprey]

no im pretty sure its geno only

[split mortar]

I have a crack theory for the routes and purpose of the three savefiles

Savefile 1 for the normal route no shadowcrystals prophecy happens we dont break it

Savefile 2 for normal route with all shadowcrystals and maybe other secret items, basically an attempt to break the prophecy with the secret stuff but doesnt quite satisfy

Savefile 3 is snowgrave, break the prophecy at all costs, prob gonna end with the worst ending

[pulsar ocean]

obviously gaster made the shadowcrystals and we have to collect them to get back on the gaster route where we reunite with the vessel

[robust osprey]

the savefiles represent how there are 3 identities inside kris clearly theres kris the player and ???????

trust me

[green prairie]

personally i think the opposite? i think the normal/good ending route is gonna be breaking the prophecy and stopping the final tragedy, and weird/bad ending is gonna be adhering to it and letting it happen but idk atp anything can happen

[split mortar]

You dont exist

[mighty zenith]

always bet on papyrus third entity

[robust osprey]

peak??

[young socket]

i love how no one gave the shadow crystals would be a proper explanation if it wasnt for one piece of gerson dialogue

[pulsar ocean]

normal ending and normal shadowcrystal ending is gonna be a nothingburger you have to do both snowgrave and shadowcrystals to break the prophecy

[green prairie]

Papyrus has a secret cousin named Papyrus 2 that he never tells us about and he's the Roaring Knight

[mighty zenith]

baby bones

[split mortar]

Theres extra ralsei dialogue on sowgrave where he says something about fearing that even if he broke the prophecy it would have a worse ending iirc

[robust osprey]

ok I remember some random ass halfbreadchaos clip where they say that the name ingame which is always Kris can have up to 7 characters so maybe we can olay as PAPYRUS!!!

[split mortar]

Kills you

[green prairie]

okay not to be that guy but like. isn't this calamity lore discussion? how did we get here from talking about could Permafrost beat Gerson Boom in a fight

[mighty zenith]

but PAPYRUS!!! is 10 characters

[mighty zenith]

yea this happens sometimez

[robust osprey]

ok just PAPYRUS

[young socket]

i cant believe you became that guy smh

[mighty zenith]

its not that big of a deal when theres not an active conversation

[pulsar ocean]

if i had to guess the prophecy ends with the destruction of hometown to save the worlds
cuz if susie died i bet she'd be down for it
if ralsei died he wouldve accepted it
if kris died idfk

[split mortar]

It may be calamity lore discussion but its been fucking ages since calamity lore drops so most lore related things are kinda a go iirc

[mighty zenith]

we'll have stuff to talk about TOMORROW!!!

[split mortar]

True

[robust osprey]

susie would NOT be down for it 😭

[green prairie]

is there new lore-y stuff in Brainstorm?

[young socket]

item tooltips

[split mortar]

Legendary item tooltips and exhume item rewrites iirc

[mighty zenith]

its not much but its something

[pulsar ocean]

are we sure

[robust osprey]

does susie seems someone who would be ok with dying

anyways calamity kire

lore

storm

[pulsar ocean]

who cares about brainstorm the ml bestiary entry isnt even dropping there

[green prairie]

no ML entry yet? make your own! writing is fun even if it probably wont be accurate

[robust osprey]

new BoC lore

it's actually BoMG, Brain of Melon Gun

it attacks with dev statements from 80 years ago

[split mortar]

What the fuck

[limpid saddle]

Brimstone laser GO

probably need a bigger canvas

[robust osprey]

kill beam

[bitter cave]

[split mortar]

Yoo

[sacred pilot]

Which Calamity character would use generative AI.

[cloud ibex]

draedon because he is generative ai

although if he saw how people irl were using it he'd probably think we're all stupid

[limpid saddle]

yharim in an old man way where he thinks it's basically magic

dog would definetly use gen ai while understanding all its costs for the sake of making aurafarming edits of himself

[sacred pilot]

I think Draedon would hate it but from a purely pragmatic standpoint.

[wanton pendant]

Draedon is far more advanced, and capable of actually processing things.

[mighty zenith]

draedon is an actual AI

rather than an LLM

he's able to operate on his own without needing prompts

so he'd think of the current generative ai as primitive and imperfect

[pulsar ocean]

how much water does draedon take to run

[cloud ibex]

i feel like it wouldn't be that much honestly

he definitely has better methods of power generation than some variation of boiling water

[mighty zenith]

he figured out exo prisms so

yeah

[split mortar]

The prisms of endless power:

[reef wigeon]

I call it "old buster"

[reef wigeon]

No iirc. But near the Tenna battle, snow is falling in the green room or smt

[mighty zenith]

there's snow there before the knight shows up

[reef wigeon]

Yes, but only in that place

[split mortar]

Text indicators for what attack the knight uses mentions it getting stormier with the last phase mentioning a tempest

[split mortar]

_ _

that also exists for some reason

[reef wigeon]

Well, although I don't like the Dess Knight theory, it would be interesting if Dess could control the weather at will

I personally lean more towards the Asriel knight theory, but it's not really the one with the most evidence

[split mortar]

What does asriel knight have to explain the antlers
How do non holiday family knight theories explain that in general

[young socket]

iirc that explanation is that its part of the helmet

kinda like fictional viking helmets but even less practical

[split mortar]

So the explenation is that the design element of a pretty importsnt character doesnt matter

[reef wigeon]

Yes, in chapter 4 it's sort of confirmed that it's a helmet when Kris closes his eyes thinking about the knight

[icy veldt]

The Astral Knights were the Space Marine chapter that defeated the Necron world engine. I don't think their helmets have antlers

[young socket]

we arent talking about 40k

😭

[icy veldt]

Me when star-rot pustules make me misread Asriel as Astral

[reef wigeon]

Wait, that's a...

[sacred pilot]

Anything but Calamity lore in the Calamity lore discussion channel.

[reef wigeon]

Asriel is Asgore + Toriel, Asriel Dreemurr is an anagram of Serial Murderer, Asriel is a reference to Sariel and Azazel, TOO MUCH "ASRIEL IS SOMETHING"

(I don't remember if it's "Azazel")

[icy veldt]

Azrael, Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels?!

[dusk laurel]

... Azazel?

😨

[burnt hatch]

Come to read some Cal lore, found 40k

Nice change of pace though

[icy veldt]

Yharim is basically a discount Emperor of Mankind in both appearance and mentality toward gods, so it checks out

[azure tartan]

Trove lore

[reef wigeon]

Not that one, but

[reef wigeon]

And a little bit of Deltarune

[burnt hatch]

Imperium of men = a dude with tons of shoeboxes

[reef wigeon]

And I confirm, powerscaling Deltarune and Undertale is pretty impossible

The fact that a save file is a timeline gives you a small idea

But it's not enough

[rose star]

Yharim conquered this channel, no need to talk about lore when the tyrant rules supreme over all

[craggy sparrow]

Because it wasn't meant to be powerscaled

its a contained story with themes and symbolism in that you may find absurd but fits that specific bottle its contained in

Hell you can say frisk can destroy everything

but frisk is only a vessel for the player so at that point theres no fucking point

deltarune is ran on the same determination system albeit not said outright

If we were to continue i would like to see if toby fox can solo the calamity devs

[split mortar]

Never agreed with that
Atleast for the controlling the timeline part
The saves seem to be different and also 3 slots

[craggy sparrow]

people theorize the last slot is for the true ending route
after completing the weird and normal/shadow crystal claimed route

[split mortar]

This is what i think the saves are for

Atleast on a outside perspective
Still wondering the in universe reason for the three saves

[craggy sparrow]

I cant believe the terrarian forced noelle into killing so many darkners

[craggy sparrow]

i do think deltarune is just gasters experiment at the end of the day

in research you'd want to find specific outcomes

[pulsar ocean]

Obviously weird route where you collect every shadow crystal is the true route

[craggy sparrow]

i think the endings are those outcomes

so he could form some theory

[pulsar ocean]

Also like
Why are we even collecting the shadow crystals on the normal route if the pure crystal which we presumably get is ONLY used for the weird route twisted sword

[craggy sparrow]

I think we use the shadow crystal for another purpose

as we can see thematically weird route is the more horror everything goes wrong route

the twisted sword represents that

in namesake atleast

[pulsar ocean]

why’d you even wanna make the twisted sword if you get the roaring knight crystal it and black shard have the same stats

[split mortar]

-# find it funny black shard is just actually stronger then the twisted swords stats that are in the game rn

[split mortar]

Probably gonna be stronger when its actually added to the game

[craggy sparrow]

stronger or probably having a specific passive

like idk kill gaster and hell die passive

[pulsar ocean]

I wonder if the trance passive will affect anything gameplay wise

[craggy sparrow]

Kris should've just made the exo blade

[split mortar]

Doesnt twisted sword have reduce trance passive

[craggy sparrow]

they're so stupid

[split mortar]

True

[craggy sparrow]

we all know draedon is actually sans Undertale

it was told by me by permafrost himself

[craggy sparrow]

Probably just to specifically end the knight or maybe friend

wait no the knight is swooned

nvm

[pulsar ocean]

Does it?

[craggy sparrow]

Probably not gonna play the weird route

[split mortar]

Pretty sure

[craggy sparrow]

i watched my friend play it completely

idk i just dont want kris to suffer

[pulsar ocean]

Sometimes it’s more fun to mindlessly press fight

[craggy sparrow]

i think its kinda a problem i have too much attachment

to these characters

that i dont wanna see them suffer

Damn you tobias radiation fox

[pulsar ocean]

I decided not to manipulate their deer friend and they still hate on me?

[split mortar]

Somehow avoided that with deltarune

And then uh played in stars and time

[craggy sparrow]

i wonder in the end of the weird route where everything is fucked asriel just comes home and becomes a fucking resident evil protag

i keep imagining him with ethans design

[pulsar ocean]

At the end of weird route green gaster will come and congratulate us and give us back the vessel good ending

[craggy sparrow]

chrolophyte gaster...

chrolophyte pushes back against the corruption

[split mortar]

Brainstorm tomorrow

[craggy sparrow]

and friend is said to be the void

what if friend was actually astrum deus

ok ill stop now

I think gerson is the sole standing guardian that managed to make the true ending possible

i think susie is the one thats going to break the propechy

we're probably going to die after it though

giving full control back to kris

[split mortar]

Chapter five cant come quick enough

[craggy sparrow]

susie becomes the god of hyper death

confirmed

[craggy sparrow]

I cant wait for asgore chapter

we're gonna fight divorce paper

and gain the signature crystal

[pulsar ocean]

Ain’t the only thing they need is more testing and translations

[split mortar]

Pretty sure

[craggy sparrow]

probably coming out early this year

[proud fable]

yoo

hyd

[split mortar]

Heya

[split mortar]

Didnt toby say to not expect it in the first half of the year

[green prairie]

nonzero chance it gets revealed in 30 minutes anyway

[final kindle]

where is draedon before you summon him with the computer?

he's in none of the labs, so where is he?

[sacred pilot]

In a lab outside of the area we play in ig.

[split mortar]

Somewhere else on the planet we dunno
Also the labs we explore were abandoned im pretty sure

[final kindle]

makes sense ig

How's Xeroc so so much more powerful than Zeratros?

[leaden bridge]

his own power combined with zeratros'

and he was decently strong on his own merit

[wanton pendant]

He works out.

[final kindle]

so Xeroc is an absolute beast

all in one

unmatched

I wonder if in a future update, to get to the aerie, you first need to pass xeroc's test

we don't no why mortals are bound down and can't get through the sky ceiling

[sacred pilot]

No. It's probably gonna be Boss Rush first, then Noxus and then Xeroc.

[final kindle]

I don't think Xeroc will be a bossfight

[leaden bridge]

he will

[final kindle]

"...there is no known force that could ever hope to defeat Xeroc..."

[leaden bridge]

Unless the calamity developers die or really get bored before that point

irrelevant

You don't have to defeat him to fight him

[final kindle]

that's also true

[reef wigeon]

We will surely not defeat him, but we can fight him anyways

[final kindle]

will boss rush (or xeroc's test) be necessary for progression?

right now, you fail the test and he gives you a rock from the aerie

I am wondering if it's planned that you'll actually be able to pass the test in some way

[reef wigeon]

There's a soundtrack for the tier 4 Bossrush

[leaden bridge]

Bossrush will probably not be needed

Infact it'll probably be post yharim once he gets added

[eager bluff]

progression? no that taps out at yharim

[reef wigeon]

And CDmusic will make a soundtrack for the tier 5

[eager bluff]

but theres something maybe in plans for after yharim with xeroc and noxus

which would be postgame superbosses

[reef wigeon]

I think you could do the Bossrush before Yharim, but you'll only be able to finish it after defeating him

[final kindle]

primordial wyrm is no longer stated to be a superboss, or is it still considered one?

I don't even know what a superboss is, really

[split mortar]

Dont think it has a actual definition

[final kindle]

what are the fundamental differences between light (souls of light and hallowed essence) and primordial light?

[leaden bridge]

haha

[final kindle]

the hallow is the remnants of benevolent gods right?

[reef wigeon]

Primordial light is the sun Light and has capabilities that we do not fully understand

Aside from teleportation and cloning things

[split mortar]

Souls of light have hallowed god essence fuckery going on and probably can utilise PL slightly if we look at chaos elementals

Primordial light is light only from the sun or solar pillar, basically the most potent force we know of in calamity

[split mortar]

Yeah

[final kindle]

also EoL, not just chaos elementals yup

[final kindle]

there no way solar pillar has connection to primordial light

[split mortar]

Its called solar pillar

[final kindle]

yeah but

[split mortar]

And has a debuff called daybreak

or daybroken

Idr

[final kindle]

It doesn't make sense because it's basically equal to the other pillars power wise

[reef wigeon]

EoL can use it because, well, she has the power of maaaaaany benevolent gods

[split mortar]

Primordial light isnt an infinity stone it can be in a small enough quantity to not obliterate everything

And eol in daytime is gonna inflict the solar flare daybroken debuff

In brainstorm iirc

[dusk laurel]

iirc eol daytime oneshot is being brought back in bs

[final kindle]

doesn't she already one shot?

[split mortar]

That was removed by calamity

She is just lot stronger

[proud fable]

hey guys

hyd

[split mortar]

Stressed due to college work

[proud fable]

oh

im sorry

[reef wigeon]

You can't compare the chaos elementals with EoL for that reason

[final kindle]

idk I feel like she one shotting makes sense because true power over primordial light is so broken

[split mortar]

Rod of discord uses primordial light

[proud fable]

i had a question: is now noxus no longer in the calamity lore? i mean, in wrath of the gods he is no longer a boss (?)

did he got replaced with the avatar of emptiness?

[final kindle]

noxus is still in calamity lore, it's an eldritch hivemind

[split mortar]

Wotg was never canon
Wotg noxus was based on old scrapped plans of calamity noxus and so what noxus is in base calamity is different to what it was in wotg

[final kindle]

it's the papa of the devourer basically

[reef wigeon]

Wrath of the Gods was created by Lucille Karma, not canon

[proud fable]

ohhh okok

[final kindle]

(doesn't mean it's also a worm)

[proud fable]

even fables is not canon?

[reef wigeon]

They still exists and is completely canon

[split mortar]

Fables isnt even an addon

[reef wigeon]

Exactly

[final kindle]

I don't even know what's fables

[proud fable]

ohh got it

[reef wigeon]

It's a reimagining of Calamity

Or something like that

[split mortar]

Ex calamity devs who left in the 22 incident are bringing their plans to life in fables
Fab less calamity if you will

[proud fable]

well its a mod that reimagines some bosses like crabulon and desert scourge

[autumn kettle]

Is there a map where every item from the mod is available? If so, are we allowed to access it and take items?

[dusk laurel]

the mod is a reimagining of calamity by some old cal devs

[split mortar]

If you want any item jusg install heros mod or dragon lens or cheat sheet

[dusk laurel]

made because they left the team mainly due to disagreements with fabsol

[final kindle]

I'm tired boss...

[proud fable]

well, i dont think so, but if you need to get something you can download hero mod

[dusk laurel]

that was three years ago

[final kindle]

there's a billion versions of calamity

[leaden bridge]

(two)

[dusk laurel]

theres like 2 😭

[split mortar]

Calamity
Fables
Reign of yharim(?)

[final kindle]

infernum

wotg

[dusk laurel]

infernum

[leaden bridge]

Infernum isn't a version

[dusk laurel]

doesnt count

[proud fable]

well there is a infernum mod

[leaden bridge]

Wotg is literally just an addon that adds things and doesn't change anything

[dusk laurel]

its a difficulty not a different thing

[split mortar]

Infernjm is just a addon for a new difficulty and some worldgen not a whole new calamity

Wotg is seperating itself from calamity into its own mod iirc

[leaden bridge]

yeah

[proud fable]

tomorrow there will be the update... so which mods should i use (i want to play infernum)

[split mortar]

Addons prob wont be immediately up to date

[final kindle]

wouldn't infernum break?

[leaden bridge]

Infernums will update

[simple tangle]

id recommend playing basecal

[final kindle]

but not instantly no

[leaden bridge]

so will wotg

Not instantly but really soon

[split mortar]

On crimson for boc rework

[proud fable]

so like, just base calamity?

[leaden bridge]

They've already worked on it

[simple tangle]

*it seems cal team iss coordinating with addon devs to get the patches relatively quickly :)

[final kindle]

I don't like wotg because lore is nonsense and idk it's actually really cool and I like it but I don't at the same time

[leaden bridge]

How is lore nonsense

[simple tangle]

im prolly gonna do like, regular ass basecal and hypnos

[split mortar]

Idk much of wotg ive somehow avoided a lot of spoilers

[simple tangle]

i feel like ending my brainstorm playthrough with hypnos would be fitting

[leaden bridge]

It'd be funny

[proud fable]

can you list me your mods? just for curiosity

[final kindle]

why is there a deity, what even is the avatar of emptiness, why is there a garden that's basically heaven...

in calamity lore, all came after the world soul shattered, and then here be dragons. there's no some deity or different broken worlds

[gritty kraken]

Based on old lor

[split mortar]

Is it even based on old lore atp

[final kindle]

yeah I'm assuming avatar of emptiness supposed to be noxus and nameless deity supposed to be xeroc so that's why the lore clashes

[split mortar]

Wotg lore afaik is very seperate from cal lore

[split mortar]

No

[final kindle]

they were supposed to be, but then changed

[proud fable]

no i dont think

[simple tangle]

Calamity Mod
Calamity Mod Music
Quality of Terraria
Just Enough Recipes
Hypnos in Calamity Mod
Nycro's Nohit Efficiency

This is my modlist

[proud fable]

they were not humans who assumed draconic auric souls

[final kindle]

as to clash less with new cal lore

[split mortar]

Yeah so its not the case

[proud fable]

they're just deities

[final kindle]

but it still doesn't make sense, nameless deity is practically outside the world soul

[proud fable]

what's hipnos?

[final kindle]

breaks the balance

[leaden bridge]

It doesn't?

The world isn't solely terraria

[simple tangle]

its a mod that adds an exo brain based on the calamity fandom wiki

[split mortar]

Nameless afaik is the god of the universe and aoe is the god of a universe which experienced heatdeath?

[autumn kettle]

thx guys

[simple tangle]

its kind of shitpost-y

[proud fable]

yeah

[leaden bridge]

they're beyond the world soul because they're way beyond the planet iself

[final kindle]

the world of Terraria is terraria with its orbits (moon, planetoids), the sun, and stars of mana

[split mortar]

Nameless is the universe soul

[leaden bridge]

no it isnt

[split mortar]

Hence the clueless

[leaden bridge]

the martians come from somewhere

[simple tangle]

the world when wotg finally separates from calamity

[final kindle]

valid

[split mortar]

Oh you werent replying to me

[proud fable]

it would be so cool to know something more about their esthetic, maybe like, the face of aoe is erased because of its universe fate

[leaden bridge]

if there is more than one planet there are mroe than two

[proud fable]

(im drunk)

[leaden bridge]

plus the distortion exists

the universe terraria is in expands way beyond the planet

[final kindle]

basically universe soul shattered creating many world souls and yeah

[leaden bridge]

the world soul is simply the planet's magic

[final kindle]

universe ≠ world

the universe is a collection of worlds

[leaden bridge]

no

you are aware terraria is a planet

[final kindle]

yes?

[leaden bridge]

that exists in a cosmology relatively simialar to ours

[final kindle]

the world of terraria however isn't a planet

[proud fable]

i have a massive question: what's your terrarian lore? and if you want drop a screenshot

[leaden bridge]

it resides on a galaxy of some kind

[final kindle]

wrong

[leaden bridge]

the world soul is planetary

[final kindle]

no I don't think it does

[split mortar]

I think someone had a theory on em but i dont remember what it was
Prob waterwraith

[final kindle]

stars in the world of terraria are extremely miniscule things that orbit terraria

[simple tangle]

wwhere are u getting this sh from

[leaden bridge]

there are planets and there are orbits even if stars are different gravity and the way celestial bodies affect eachother through it remains

[final kindle]

just look at fallen stars

they're small asl

[leaden bridge]

also like mars exists

not all stars are that small

[final kindle]

the big ones can collapse and astrum deus eat them

but some just lose energy and fall to terraria

[leaden bridge]

the sun isnt really a star itself but its a starlike thing still so there must be others, because, again, mars exists

and other planets exist too

[final kindle]

mars probably has its own sun (could be dead)

[leaden bridge]

u cant just have one planet unless it was put there like fully artificially

[simple tangle]

look who hasnt read embers 🫵

[leaden bridge]

in either case that doesn't matter at all to the discussion at hand - nameless is an expression of the universe

it is the universe itself manifested

it is more powerful than the world soul because the world soul is just planetary

[split mortar]

We dont know this its not mentioned anywhere

[leaden bridge]

it doesn't extend beyond terraria and its sun/moon

[proud fable]

my terrarian is a vagabond who was born from other vagabonds, he never knew his relatives, he always survived alone. he does only remember his name: shinji, and then he kind gave himself a nickname (based on my favorite weapon bc i love mgr) and that's murasama (just like my nickname). he grew under the guard of a tortoise, which trained him in the jungle underground, to face the calamity terrors...
sorry if it sounds stupid, its a lot more complicated and longer but i dont want to bore nobody :))

[leaden bridge]

if anything you're making the calamity lore be the one that sounds dumb here lol

[final kindle]

what we know:

1. stars are collections of mana
2. they can fall
3. they can collapse and become infection
4. astrum deus eat collapsed stars
5. the sun is a collection of primordial light, not a star
6. the sun orbits terraria

[proud fable]

so cool

[split mortar]

-# how does this relate to nameless deity

[final kindle]

it's safe to assume a lot of stars orbit terraria, because they fall to terraria

[proud fable]

well, isnt nameless deity non canon?

like aoe

[final kindle]

it relates to whether we have galaxies or not

[split mortar]

Yeah nameless isnt canon but the guy was brought up

[proud fable]

okok

[final kindle]

I don't think the world of terraria has galaxies, and I believe mars is a planet outside of the world of terraria entirely

[leaden bridge]

we guess there might not be galaxies because stars are weird

that makes no sense

the martians travelled to terraria through space travel

[proud fable]

i think we're discussing about something that devs didn't even think about i mena

[leaden bridge]

so did moon lord maybe

[proud fable]

mean*

not that we're wrong but

[leaden bridge]

and draedon talks about (conventional, mind you) space travel like something that would be both possible and useful

so mars isn't in "another world" it is another planet elsewhere

[split mortar]

Martians are from this planet cluster im pretty sure
Yeah theyre not from terraria the planet but they not doing a distortion and entering a different dimension

[proud fable]

wouldnt be cool to make some official lore telling? but then player wouldnt have much to theorize about

[sacred pilot]

Calamity mod FTL drives would go crazy lmfao.

[leaden bridge]

martians necessitate something akin to a normal universe exist even if the way celestal bodies group together is different

[final kindle]

"...Of note, the Solar Pillar commanded a tainted variation of Primordial Light. The precise relationship Fovos has with the pillars is unknown, but they serve him as his personal army..."

not actual primordial light, but a tainted version

an imitation perhaps?

[split mortar]

If i grab an apple and inject sewage into it its still a apple

[leaden bridge]

an imitation isn't a tainted variation

[proud fable]

a recreation?

[leaden bridge]

a tainted variation implies the thing has been taken and corrupted

make of that what you will

[final kindle]

"...Mining devices and scouts for a civilization from a long lost world..."

it clearly says world, not planet

[split mortar]

Thats

Synonymous

No?

[final kindle]

no

not in calamity lore

[proud fable]

but calamity is totally separated from terraria lore, isnt it?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[proud fable]

i mean maybe they used world to mean planet

[final kindle]

the martians are still canon

[proud fable]

we dont know, they could be synonymous

[final kindle]

then the doc is erroneous and misleading

[proud fable]

yea sure i mean, i just think that planets are a real thing

[split mortar]

Where did you get that

[proud fable]

doc?

[split mortar]

Lore doc in pins

[proud fable]

oh

[leaden bridge]

nowhere in calamity lore is it stated than "world" is a completely different thing from "planet"

[proud fable]

let me analyze everything i love doing nerd shit

[leaden bridge]

We use world quite often to refer solely to earth

[final kindle]

ok I just checked, yeah I guess it was headcanon or I got that from somewhere

my bad

[proud fable]

i mean

we dont have a written story

we have fragments

its kinda tricky

[split mortar]

👍

[final kindle]

so when we say the "world of terraria" we just mean terraria?

[proud fable]

i think so

[leaden bridge]

yea

[final kindle]

that's why I was confused I guess

[split mortar]

Yeah

[final kindle]

ok so the world soul wasn't a singularity, it was just the soul of the planet

[leaden bridge]

Yeah

[split mortar]

Yea

[leaden bridge]

The martians probably had their own on mars we think

[proud fable]

yea

[leaden bridge]

Like wdk it just makes sense if every planet like has one

And it's like the core of the planets life/magic

[proud fable]

or they wouldnt be planets

[final kindle]

it makes more sense if some planets do while others don't actually

[leaden bridge]

Does it

[proud fable]

they could me meteorites or moons

[final kindle]

because there are lifeless planets

[leaden bridge]

we guess

[final kindle]

soulless

I'm assuming

it's all speculation ofc

[leaden bridge]

Maybe planets form around world souls and they slowly feed them life

[final kindle]

perhaps the soul of mars died

[split mortar]

Our world soul also died
It shattered afterall

[leaden bridge]

It didn't die though

[proud fable]

maybe the reason why moonlord attacked terraria during the dragons age was because of moon hasnt a soul or a life core

[leaden bridge]

it's just fragmented

[final kindle]

dying is more like perish

[proud fable]

is this a mad idea?

[leaden bridge]

The martians don't have a home at all anymore

[final kindle]

the soul of mars might have perished

[leaden bridge]

He's not from the moon

[split mortar]

If i cut you into a thousand pieces i think you are dead

[final kindle]

or was stolen, since energy cannot be created or destroyed

[proud fable]

ooh but he gets sealed later right?

[split mortar]

Moonlord is called the moonlord cause the guy got sealed on the moon

[leaden bridge]

Yes

[proud fable]

but can be transformed

what if it got transformed into something else

[split mortar]

Moonlord nuked mars theory when

[proud fable]

well im a human, but a soul, a core, maybe it cant be cut

[final kindle]

makes a lot of sense

[proud fable]

A SOUL CANT BE CUT

what a reference

[final kindle]

Fovos was extremely mighty

[proud fable]

yea

[proud fable]

and ugly

[final kindle]

and mars isn't very far away, so it's definitely likely Fovos crossed mars before Terraria

[split mortar]

Theres enemies ingame that are just souls and you kill them for multiple bits of ectoplasm