lore-discussion

[agile matrix]

and Life isnt

and Death isnt

[leaden bridge]

life is a very explicit thing

[long bloom]

and faith isn't?

[leaden bridge]

so is death

[agile matrix]

and Faith isnt????????

[long bloom]

no the fuck it's not

[agile matrix]

No it

FUcking

isnt

you Cretin dude you view things from a Base Value

[tame pewter]

didn't philosophers break their shit explaining what faith is

[long bloom]

what constitutes being alive. go

[agile matrix]

the Death of an Author is different from the Death Of The Author

[leaden bridge]

would you fuckers like if we started insulting your intelligence every now and then too fucking hell

[long bloom]

no matter your answer, there's guaranteed to be inconsistencies and exceptions

[agile matrix]

im fuckin sorry but i am like

running out of ways to explain it

[visual kiln]

dragon of conflict -> god of war

[agile matrix]

you are viewing things from a Base Standpoint and not from the Intricacies

[split mortar]

calamity domains seem to function partially off what the people at large perceive so even if its hard to scientifically put down i do not see it odd the domain itself exists

[agile matrix]

this would also be fine

[leaden bridge]

we like conflcit better

[agile matrix]

we???

french????????

[long bloom]

ok sticker can you tone it down

[agile matrix]

sorry

[split mortar]

Idfk the google definition of faith but dont gods get buffed by belief
So
It is much more mesurable in calamaity

[agile matrix]

im just

[leaden bridge]

Conflict is both broader and like actually universal to any kind of life

[agile matrix]

grah

[long bloom]

do they?

[visual kiln]

its universal to everything tbh

everything is in conflict

the universe is a collection of forces pushing against each other

[tame pewter]

pure dialectics juice right here

[long bloom]

everything also has victories though

[leaden bridge]

does it

[split mortar]

Ive heard it be said before by writers

[leaden bridge]

even ignoring that the term applies to warfare victory has connotations of some amount of like, closure

[tame pewter]

victory to whom though

[leaden bridge]

the water and the rock are in conflict but neither truly wins

[agile matrix]

does it need a whom

[obsidian plume]

Isn't this old lore

[agile matrix]

faith to whom, life to whom, death to whom, gluttony for whom

[leaden bridge]

you don't like, you would not say the water achieved victory over the rock because it manages to carve through it

that'd be weird

death doesn't need a to whom to be defined, victory does

death is the lack of life

[split mortar]

No i dont know old lore so i havent heard it from that

[agile matrix]

thats
thats still a victory for the water

[long bloom]

.. faith does

[agile matrix]

the water, after ages of eroding, managed to carve through the rock

[leaden bridge]

yeah and faith was given their domain as an explicit result of humans having faith

[agile matrix]

the water won in the context of flowing to the lowest point

[long bloom]

?????

[agile matrix]

i

wh

but

ho

What

no im taking a break

im taking 10 im gonna

i will say something i regret

[real glen]

Like how sand is made

[tame pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-tie-him-up-gif-11927923657429006938

[leaden bridge]

"the last of auric dragons to get its auric soul, a gift to humanity in a sense, a living symbol of the faith humanity had in the dragons"

was victory also a gift to human's victory over nature or something

or the dragon's victory over the chud planet they lived in

[long bloom]

living symbol does not mean the thing you said

[agile matrix]

IN A SENSE

IN A WAY, SOMEWHAT, PERCHANCEDLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[leaden bridge]

we never said they were literally explicitly a gift

[long bloom]

yes you did

[agile matrix]

THATS

[leaden bridge]

their existence is still intrinsically tied to humanity having faith

[agile matrix]

THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID

YOU SAID THAT

WITH YOUR KEYBOARD AND YOUR HANDS

[leaden bridge]

no that is not what we said

[agile matrix]

THAT IS WHAT WAS SAID DUDE

[long bloom]

then your message sucked

[agile matrix]

WE???????????????????

[leaden bridge]

"Explicit result of humans having faith" that is what that says

[long bloom]

read bio

[leaden bridge]

faith has that domain as an explicit result of humans having faith

[agile matrix]

im

sorry.

[leaden bridge]

that is literally what that says

[long bloom]

i don't agree

[agile matrix]

pmo

[tame pewter]

Is this the school of Athens

[real glen]

was victory also a gift to human's victory over nature or something
we never said they were literally explicitly a gift
?

[leaden bridge]

when the rethorical question is a joke and not meant to be actually answered!

[agile matrix]

can we change topic to like

the distortion

or wulfrum or something idk

[leaden bridge]

in any case "in a sense, a gift" is still a gift, even if not literally, so, was victory also, in a sense a gift to someone, be it dragons, or humans, over their victory? did the world soul give victorydragon the victory domain because they triumphed over it

[green prairie]

i wanna know who uses wulfrum as a currency

[agile matrix]

isnt it the helmets

im half sure its like a bartering system for the computer chips within

[leaden bridge]

wouldn't they be very specific

if we were making a helmet that goes with a full suit of armor we'd add little circuitry (and by extension, weight) in the helmet itself

unless it's ever meant to be used alone that is

[simple tangle]

hi

[split mortar]

Goodbye

[hoary cape]

Goodbye

[simple tangle]

:( ur so mean! so mean!

[leaden bridge]

This probably has a proper name but wulfrum bots r kinda paradoxical

They're like, very cheap, right, that implies some degree of mass fabrication, otherwise they'd be surely better because you can't like, it doesn't make sense to shit out something expensive if it's so frail

[tame pewter]

an oxymoron?

[leaden bridge]

Similarly, if whatever circuitry they have was expensive it'd be being used somewhere else

Thus, it must be like, reasonably cheap enough to put in a fucking gyrator without it being a waste, surely?

But all that carries the implication that like, their existence and use extends beyond wulfrum bots, but outside of draedon and the vanilla npcs there's no one doing technology like that, which is where what we're saying about it being kind of paradoxical comes in, for something so shitty and cheap to exist there should be like, more? But there isn't

Like, flatscreen tvs used to be very expensive, but then the production of lcd panels was massified, which is what made them cheap

And like, wulfrum is reusable and all, but it'd still be somewhat weird if these were designed entirely from the ground up as the cheap inexpensive weak robots that they are because surely if what they're made of is hard to produce it's not worth it wasting it on them?

this relies on assuming they're anything like our technology but surely circuitry like they must have has to be cheap enough to not care a lot about it when it inevitably gets bodied by a random like face monster in the crimson

And to be clear, we're not questioning the existence of the technology, draedon's existence implies circuits have existed for at the very least six hundred years, and either the guy that made draedon had connections that replicated it elsewhere or it's somehow trivial enough to make them in the calamityworld that a single guy can do it so clearly draedon guy wouldn't be the only one, it's their absence from anywhere else, we guess the vanilla npcs can cover that? Although none of them are really touched upon at the moment

[stoic gulch]

Can elementals change their physical form

Considering most of them are like semi solids

[leaden bridge]

Probably yeah

[robust osprey]

atleast silva can iirc

the others most likely too

[sinful adder]

My understanding is that it's cheap because you don't need any kind of special tech to make it, so one person can do the whole production

[leaden bridge]

Mmmm, implies wulfrum has some wacky material properties then

[tame pewter]

just like the actual element (not really I think

[sinful adder]

Yeah exactly

I would guess it's like. Metallic clay or something

[leaden bridge]

It's not impossible for one guy to make a robot but you can't really do it from complete scratch, chips and the like are easy to get and cheap because they're mass manufactured (good luck if you need something that isn't!) if the electronics aren't coming from a factory like that, they've gotta be somehow easy to make just with the scraps

[sinful adder]

Random idea for it: it's even softer than copper when pure, has a very low melting point, but when it oxidizes it becomes rigid and similar to wood or a very porus ceramic

[leaden bridge]

Similarly what the fuck is an energy core

It's just gameplay but it's silly that to be harvested they have to be overclocked

Maybe it's a little unstable and the extra charge keeps it stable

Maybe cores are just more wulfrum

Some king of wulfrum battery

[warm gull]

yeah definitely just a gameplay feature that you need to empower wulfrum enemies for them to drop their core

nothing deeper than that

[limpid saddle]

Damn I missed someone making a fool of themselves and arguing calamitas clone shouldn't be in the game, & yet

though @raven brook do you mind if i drag you back to discuss your 'artificer calclone' idea?

Why do you think she should be severed from brimstone magic & function as a completely unique fight?

Some might find it lazy, sure, but i've always enjoyed how she functioned as a teaser of sorts for whats to come

Though I can agree it would be alot more engaging if she had more unique factors that SCal doesnt

[raven brook]

Lorewise: Brimstone Magic not only actively fucks over her mind, seemingly much more so than Calamitas, but i also think it'd tie much better narratively with her "separating" herself from Calamitas and trying to form her own identity, finding her own fighting style rather than copying Scal's

Gameplay: Tbh it's just more interesting to have an actually unique boss fight rather than a worse version of a future one

I think brimstone magic would not be absent from the fight entirely, but it'd be likely saved for maybe a last phase or some particularly powerful attacks, and would be used differently from the way scal uses it

To indicate calclone is only using it as a last resort

[limpid saddle]

That's a very interesting direction, I guess I've always interpreted it in that even her small amount of Brimstone compared to SCal broke her mind by 'being too much for her', so she's constantly emitting it & bursting with flame, & didn't consider a direction where she can choose to not use it

[raven brook]

fair nuff

[limpid saddle]

Though I'm not sure how I would feel about the choice of a seemingly more lucid CalClone, as y'know, assumedly she'd have to be tapped in somewhat to be making use of Draedon gadgets & gizmos

[dusk laurel]

to me its not that its lazy its the fact that shes just too similar to scal fight wise especially now that its less of a prelude and moreso just a less refined and weaker scal fight

[limpid saddle]

That's fair, I guess in terms of gameplay context I've only really considered tying her more to Brimmy gameplay wise through similar attacks, & doing something more unique with the constructs

Cause I think we can all agree it would be a little bit lame if they were just worse Catastrophe & Cataclysm, or remained Spazmatism homunculi like they currently are

[fiery meadow]

I like when established and important characters are written better 🥰

Whatever, go my homunculus

[mighty zenith]

i always thought calclone should be more chaotic and unpredictable in her attack patterns while scal should be predictable but still difficult to dodge

it would help separate them better

so scal could be more like a traditional bullet hell and calclone with more wild moves you wouldnt expect from a mage

[raven brook]

I frankly think she dosen't need to be a projectile/bullet hell focsued boss at all

[icy veldt]

IMO it would also make a bit of sense from a thematic standpoint, since it would kinda imply that Calamitas tries to keep her usage of brimstone magic more orderly and controlled against the player, since she has bad experiences with letting it go wild, while Calclone doesn't really do that

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah when I think of a rework I think of alot of ares/thanatos style big chaotic lasers

Maybe for her big flashy desperation move she could pull a grand cross & send out brimstone pillars & projectiles at you

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/castlevania-richter-belmont-grand-cross-item-crash-gif-11377013437081206456

[limpid saddle]

yeah that's grand cross

i think she should do that

it would be cool

[raven brook]

hes true it would be pretty cool

giant brimstone super attack for her final move rather than her using it constantly to fire little shitling brimstone projectiles

[limpid saddle]

yeah its a good way to show the uncontrolled & unrefined nature of her use of brimstone magic against prime Calamitas more refined use informee by years of tutelage

[leaden bridge]

What would she use if not brimstone magic genuine question

[limpid saddle]

even if some dumbass ends up saying 'why is the clone have cooler moves than scal??? are the devs stupid?????'

[leaden bridge]

Just necromancy?

[limpid saddle]

they're both tied together somehow so to use one tips over into the other a bit if im not misremembering

[raven brook]

She can use things that aren't just Calamitas Powers

She can do her own thing

Triangle already had ideas for leaning into an artificer aspect for her due to the fact she was created by Draedona nd spent alot of her life in the lab and thus would've possibly observed the way he works and learned from it

[raven brook]

Yeah

My entire point is that i think she should mostly do her own thing rather than just do Calamitas's thing and then thea ctual powers she was granted by Calamitas would come in as a sort of desperation /last resor

[leaden bridge]

Crazy

[limpid saddle]

It's an interesting idea but given the fact she was grown incredibly quickly in a big ol' petri dish i'm not sure how much she would be able to learn anything

This also seems to be a split in our interpretations, unless im missing something you seem to view the bestowal of her Brimstone Magic as an intentional gift, while I view it as a tragic accident

I don't think Calamitas would set out to harm (technically herself) like that & I think she'd be quite aware of what passing off the weight of Brimstone Magic could do to someone

[raven brook]

I view it as neither really - She was given it by Calamitas in an attempt to free her, and it did seem to have worked, but ultimately everytime Calclone uses it it's Hell Torture due to the psychological effects it has on her, so she avoids using it unless absolutely necessary (+ aforementioned separation from calamitas)

[limpid saddle]

god i need to storyboard that animatic i've been thinking of

Maybe give my sister a ludicrous amount of money if i visualise my ideas clearly it'll be so fire i swear

[agile matrix]

Cal Clone using more Mechanical Stuff would be Peak

Sawblades :DDD

[long scaffold]

I wish I could actually draw either of the ones in my mind

Cursed by being decent at pixel art and nothing else

[jolly edge]

truth nuke theres so much shit in my mind i wanna create

[leaden bridge]

do the animatic in pixel art

become stronger by pretending its because youre sauced and not because you dont know how to do it otherwise it works

[long scaffold]

Do you really want me to bring scottish Yharim into the world

[jolly edge]

yes

[leaden bridge]

what we want isn't what matters

that also sounds fun

[long scaffold]

I'll try it out over the weekend

[leaden bridge]

in our head yharim never stopped being a lizard and we never really associated an ethnic group to him as a result but scottish yharim does sound mad funny

[long scaffold]

The animatic is not in character for anyone there but that's what makes it funny

[icy veldt]

Yharim is Swedish, though. He's the Terrarian version of King Charles XII

[sinful adder]

I really think that calclone just needs a complete rewrite because it currently feels so contrived

[real silo]

What does that mean

[agile matrix]

it feels Old

[long scaffold]

Half of her lore is just justifying the eyeball sprite

[glacial rampart]

Calclone will be resprited

[long scaffold]

The lore around CalClone in general feels kinda like it’s trying to desperately cover up the gameplay holes
“If she’s an innocent human why can’t we talk to her” um she’s insane
“Why is she eyeball” um she’s driving it

It’ll get better when she’s changed to a spare-able human after the heat death of the universe but right now it’s a mess

[glacial rampart]

its patchwork explanations until they can actually implement her properly

I think its fine

[long scaffold]

I mean I don’t see a purpose in rewriting it just to do it later but I’m not going to say it’s coherent

A mess, but at least an understandable one

[dusk laurel]

not everything can be done at once

if the writers were dedicated to making everything finalized before it was added then none of it would even be ingame

it was also just pretty early on and calclone was just another part of the lore that wasnt as fleshed out

and its also would just be weird to have it stay as old lore until it gets rewritten

its a valid critique but it doesnt factor in anything about development or being made early into the lore rewrite years ago

theres also the thing of like,, the writers know about this and it will change so talking about it as if its final or perceived as satisfactory is just wrong

[robust osprey]

truellin

[sinful adder]

it doesn't make sense. See argument by Aster below

I actually think we should keep an eyeball inspired look, but not directly

idk if this makes sense but like uh

bear with this explanation

the Delta Rune symbol is a genereal shape that can depict several different things. It can be three heroes standing before the Angel, or it can be one guy with triangle arms and body

Both Calclone and Calamitas should be vaguely eyeball shaped in that their silhouette looks like an eyeball symbol in the same way several legendary scenes in undertale/deltarune look like the Delta Rune

I think that would be the coolest possible version of it

Calclone could have seen this symbol of the witch and tried to recreate it, or identified with it

like imagine you have this symbol

it could be an eye/mouth like EoC, but it could also be the shield, robes, and head of the real calamitas

the thing at the bottom could be a statue, or the hero, or yharim's symbol, or some guy with his arms hung up

like. Do you see what I'm going for?

same symbol is both a fucked up clone fetus creature in a machine and also the supreme witch in her shield

can you see what I'm cooking here? I hope so

maybe I can go to the calart server and show them?

idk where to find that

[warm gull]

... is she gonna be spare able? is this like a recently announced plan that I'm unaware of?

afaik she was just gonna stay murked

[long bloom]

it's a possibility

[warm gull]

two grey bitches with red robes in my town 🔥

I suppose it would probably be good to get like, idk

an early version of the enchantment system?

because currently you would use it on exactly

2 bosses

exo mechs (if you do scal first) and Yharim

[final bison]

Yall think draedon kept reserves of yharims dna

Or maybe yharons

[buoyant inlet]

My "complete" ml design kinda suckss

I don't like it

If I had to do the undamaged complete ml design I'd probably change the base that vanilla provides a lot

I don't think vanilla ml really works with any sort of "completed" design

It probably can work but what I see in my head is not that interesting

[feral skiff]

why would he do that btw, he probably already sampled and analyzed the entire human genome

[feral skiff]

this, however.. yeah he’d definitely do that

[stiff berry]

well i mean. you can go a lot more in depth with an individual than you can an illness

identity is an interesting topic to explore

[reef wigeon]

Like, Josuke jojo's part 8?

[leaden bridge]

We think the kind of depth you can get out of astral vs any one character being explored are different kinds of depth and it would be unfair to compare them that way

[indigo leaf]

yo yo so

in the yahron song uk

,,this is my msg to my master"

who is yahron talkibg abt

or its just a song

[stiff berry]

nod

[split mortar]

Yharim

[indigo leaf]

dam

who is he

/she

[stiff berry]

you can only make disease so complex (or so i think anyway,) but people are an entirely different deal

[split mortar]

The main antagonist of calamity who genocided the gods and like half the global population
He also speaks in the lore whispers bosses drop
Take everything he says with a couple spoons of salt he is the most biased person to exist

[indigo leaf]

dam so its more complex i see

and how did it start? i lokwye dont know like normal terraria?

[leaden bridge]

Well, yeah, but it's not about the disease being a complex character vs an actual character doing that. Astral can be used in many ways to add depth to the world through the ways it interacts with it, the way it spreads and originates, etc. Even if it's not complex itself. Sure, a character can have more depth to its characterization, but that's not the kind of depth astral can provide in the first place, which is why we're saying it's kind of an unfair comparison

[stiff berry]

oh definitely

[split mortar]

What yharims world wide crusade?
Started by him rebelling against the god of dogmas wishes and refusing to ascend to godhood using yharons egg and then got thrown in lava and yharon saving him just before he woulda died to the lava
Then they echo chambered eachother into going on a crusade against every god

If you want more detail and stuff id suggest reading the document here #lore-discussion message

[indigo leaf]

thxxxxxxx

[agile matrix]

okay looking back there are more biased people but he is still incredibly so

[raven brook]

In hindsight my comparison was kinda #bad because i was comparing a character to two worldbuilding elements, more appropriately would be to explore calclone vs like, other bosses per example

additionally: holy shit boy u fr went all the way back there because astral was mentioned

i'm not even surprised

[stiff berry]

giant dump of astral ideas split into 3 messages because it broke even the nitro character limit:

[raven brook]

😭

[stiff berry]

i like the purple biome

[real silo]

you must like eater of worlds

is worm
is purple biome

splits when damaged

[stiff berry]

fucked up eow dog fusion

[mighty zenith]

consumer of various things

[worthy sierra]

Why hasn't yharim killed torch god yet

Or is it not a god of auric soul definition

[mighty zenith]

carbon dioxide induced hallucination

[raven brook]

carbon dioxide induced hallucination

[dusk laurel]

carbon monoxide indeeced hallucinogen

[agile matrix]

is this a bit i dont get or

[pulsar ocean]

Why didn’t yharim download calamity overhaul and kill xeroc with the murasama

[raven brook]

Torch God is a carbon monoxide induced hallcuination. You place down too many torches and the Gas gets to you and you start going crazyyyy

[reef wigeon]

Because there isn't a mod that adds Xeroc as a boss

[raven brook]

(Not canon but it's the best headcanon ever so

[reef wigeon]

Pretty good headcanon but doesn't that event only happens when you place the WRONG torches, or am I just misremembering?

[raven brook]

no its jusit placing too many torches

[reef wigeon]

Oh i see

[reef wigeon]

And yeaaaaaaaah... Nah he couldn't beat him even with that i think

[pulsar ocean]

Are we sure

[buoyant inlet]

Cool how a user can act so condescending and rude towards another user and constantly insult them like that and nothing would be done about it

Totally acceptable behavior

[green prairie]

welcome to calamity lore discussion lol

[buoyant inlet]

I admire your sturdiness Ender I think I would have quit long ago and never look at this chat

[buoyant inlet]

Doesn't mean it shouldn't be, idk, moderated

[strong quail]

hey guys! do you want to report something that you find disturbing? There is a thing called Staff Mail.

we're discussing it rn so you don't need to report it now

but please

instead of saying "omg this behavior is awful", report it to the moderation team

we aren't always online and available

[sleek halo]

what a calamity. and then a laugh track plays as i walk away

[visual kiln]

HELP

my humor is broken

[strong quail]

there is no help

[sleek halo]

in this doomed and desolate realm all that’s left is DESPAIR.

[buoyant inlet]

Yeah that's true

[agile matrix]

action was already taken, and i frown upon my rash language in retrospect

all is Good in the world

insert image of cat in flowerpot

[buoyant inlet]

That's nice

[noble falcon]

Not quite
We still have Peggle and Hatsune Miku

[thorn drift]

How fucked is the housing market in calamity that the npcs are willing to move into ground zero of the entire crusade, arguably one of the most dangerous places in the world, just for free housing?

[reef wigeon]

what is daytime Empress of Light's power tier?

[long scaffold]

Why didn’t he download DragonLens and use the butcher tool

[long scaffold]

Hey it’s the person I’m an evil clone of

[split mortar]

The ground zero is the entire continent which i think most npcs already lived on and they also get the terrarian to protect em from the hell torture demons

[raven brook]

Alot of them are merchants too so it might be a thing where it's a Opportunity ™ for commerce, both when it comes to selling to others but also buying rarer materials not really ofund elsewhere

[eager bluff]

and also its not free housing

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Tax_Collector

[young socket]

well the tax collector isnt required aside from getting princess which also isnt required

[eager bluff]

i run on the assumption that everybody is as greedy as i am in my playthroughs

aka tax collector is present

[sinful adder]

Damn. No one like. Cared enough to talk about my cool idea/design

[split kestrel]

The Devourer of Gods vs The Very Hungry Caterpillar, who wins?

They’re both extradimensional worm-like creatures capable of eating holes through the fabric of reality they inhabit

[limpid saddle]

i think dog can speed-blitz the very hungry caterpillar but I think the caterpillar has the endurance to take hits from him

[feral skiff]

the Terrarian is the Very Hungry Caterpillar therefore they win

the terrarian can be whoever I want

[green prairie]

would he tax Solyn?

[eager bluff]

yes

if shes a town npc

[leaden bridge]

she isnt living in something you built

so he cant tax her

[craggy sparrow]

yeah but if it's within our property line

we can

[icy veldt]

Doesn't the fact that he's a Tax Collector, and that he collects from the other town NPCs and pays the Terrarian, imply that the Terrarian is the sovereign ruler of the Heartlands?

[sinful adder]

Defacto ruler I suppose

Rules whatever land we claim via building there. More like landlord

[scenic olive]

free real estate

[icy veldt]

That's pretty much what rulers are

[soft flame]

tbf the terrarian did un-torture his tortured soul

it's some sorta debt being repaid i would assume

[icy veldt]

Should've stayed tortured istg

[soft flame]

hey

the terrarian done it for the money

[icy veldt]

The Terrarian... is... Blazbo Babbins!

[soft flame]

anyway is it just me or is the gap of power between xeroc and the second strongest god (silva iirc) is absurd

[zenith geode]

second strongest was shakidou i thought

[soft flame]

i don't think it was silva then

that's the god of emptiness right

[eager bluff]

the power gap is absurd because xeroc has been training for way longer and hasnt had to worry about wordly things like Running A Government

[soft flame]

fair point

i would think that it would have reflected the power of the dragon they got their own powers from

[eager bluff]

and also xeroc started out quite a ways ahead

[soft flame]

mm

[soft flame]

cause considering that the most powerful dragon wasn't able to beat moon lord, even among his entire species, and then the guy who absorbed his soul gains more power than him i see that strange

[eager bluff]

xeroc once again had a headstart

and also actively focused on training which seems to be something zeratros didnt do

also worth noting the ml zeratros fought could give current xeroc a run for his money

prime moon lord is iirc the third strongest thing we know of

[soft flame]

i see then

[eager bluff]

maybe second strongest depending on who you ask

[long scaffold]

What's 2nd/1st

[leaden bridge]

Hi lore discussion! Have a look at these calamity based vanilla terraria weapon lore tooltips!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1esoqFCq344KqEmKfaGRcDCpvhRW1HXk2PCRcVTMwlS0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[tame pewter]

I guess bro

[cosmic zenith]

Are you sure this isn't a weapon bestiary

[tame pewter]

Press [LShift] to read lore!

[simple tangle]

umbrella designed by gods....

[leaden bridge]

no it's lore tooltip

[simple tangle]

is yharim writing these, thatd be funny asf

[leaden bridge]

You have to shift to expand and read it

No they're written from an omniscient external perspective

[cosmic zenith]

I suppose it sounds like the Wulfrum and Victide descs

[leaden bridge]

you have to read them all and tell us what you think stips

[simple tangle]

the starved rift

[leaden bridge]

it's a key element of the world

[tame pewter]

They are written using Divine Intellect

[simple tangle]

i like the implication of yharim owning a beekeper

yharim fight, he pulls out the good ol keeper

[long scaffold]

Virulence deals 5,000x damage because bee plague makes Yhirm sadge

[cosmic zenith]

Amusing, but unsurprisingly a massive parody

[leaden bridge]

We have to channel the energy of all tmod writers and commute with them man it's the Avatar spirit in action

[tame pewter]

Ender will lead the vanguards of neo-tmod writting

[cosmic zenith]

I'm not sure what inspired you to write this or why you're acting like that :p

[leaden bridge]

we need to do this stip the balance of the world depends on this limitless expression of culture

They're also for remix

[simple tangle]

what

[leaden bridge]

It's the avatar spirit being channeled to keep the balance

[simple tangle]

im scared

[cosmic zenith]

That explains it

[leaden bridge]

it's okay to be it is scary

We know we don't tend to produce non parodic writing in this channel but we assure you all you'll be able to tell if we're actually writing something seriously instead of channeling the voices of a thousand lores before us

That said, left shift to read the expanded tooltip

[tame pewter]

Press [LShift] to read lore!

[simple tangle]

the plan is to make the yharim lore items not items and instead accessible by some thing right

[cosmic zenith]

Correct

[plucky juniper]

Muramasa: A stronger katana forged by a legendary smith from distant lands, issued commonly to the guards of Terraria’s dungeon for its slight edge over other weapons. Many revisions have been issued, and the guards note it has “hardly improved”
🔥 ✍️

[agile matrix]

just realized something; does the dryad not consider other parts of the world impure, or do they have only have juristiction over the Heartlands

[long bloom]

the heartlands is presumably the only continent with evil biomes

[strong quail]

really

[long bloom]

pretty sure

[strong quail]

no, I was about the spam bot

[long bloom]

i'm like 99% positive dragons specifically can't talk

[agile matrix]

im like 40% sure they can communicate with Words, just maybe not with Speaking

like how a Dog makes noises but more refined and made more Languagy

[long bloom]

i think their communication with humans is telepathic?

i'll have to check again

[agile matrix]

that'd make sense

i mean also "learning the Draconic Language" would probably be a thing

[long bloom]

possible

[sinful adder]

Hey what do you guys think about this idea and the drawing I made for it

[cosmic zenith]

Dragons have their own language and can't communicate in human languages

[scenic olive]

hire a translator

[cosmic zenith]

They did

[mighty zenith]

john language

[crude musk]

Would draedon ever be petty?

He wouldn't waste energy on revenge or anything

But would he be petty if someone fucked with his experiments

[reef wigeon]

He wouldn't waste energy if he did because he has unlimited energy anyway

[thick slate]

maynot be petty

but he is pretty

[mighty zenith]

true

[crude musk]

What does draedon feel besides intense lust for science?

I think it's stated that he has pride for his creations

Does that mean he can also feel the opposite for a failed experiment?

[split mortar]

How much do we know of when yharim found out about the distortion
Thinking of possibly having my terrarian be someone who shortly after it being found out was sent to the distortion among others to explore it
Somethin somethin to tie em to noxus bit more personally?

Just wanna know if that contradicts anything in base cal

[thorn drift]

We know jackshit about the distortion iirc

we know that its a place that exists and that dog comes from there

thats about it i think

Hell, I'm fairly certain no one actually knows about noxus in canon

[thorn drift]

I think draedon does have the capability for the full range of emotions, he just doesnt give a shit

[split mortar]

Yharim feels off since something massively stronger then dog had to make cv but not really anything else beyond that afaik

Draedon knows that and the hivemind possible stuff but thats it as well iirc

So the only possible option would be xeroc which i mean, the proposal in boss rush I’m very certain is just gonna be go shoot noxus enough

[thorn drift]

Yeah yharim probably has a hunch that it exists, draedon definitely knows, but neither really know what it actually is as far as I know

and considering draedon used to have employees from what the hologram in his labs suggest, it might make more sense for your guy to have used to have worked for draedon instead of yharim

[split mortar]

True i think draedon sending people would make more sense then yharim

[thorn drift]

yeh

[noble falcon]

Yharim and noxus go to Cracker Barrel on Wednesdays
He pretends not to know him to keep other people from trying to go to Cracker Barrel with them

[agile matrix]

its really funny to imagine this absolutely titantic eldritch beast and this guy in what is basically a space suit going to The White Persons Restaurant

[green prairie]

Where does Xeroc go?

[pulsar trellis]

waffle house

[green prairie]

i like to imagine that despite terraria being a very fantasy-skewed world there's like, actual restaurant chains out in the world

[agile matrix]

even in fantasy, capitalism prevails

[pulsar trellis]

who said fast food joints cant exist in fantasy

[light linden]

hmm

@cosmic zenith got a moment for a question?

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

if the auric dragon is willingly giving up their soul does that have an affect on the resulting god?

[cosmic zenith]

Not specifically

But that occurence relies on underlying personal factors that do impact ascension

[pulsar ocean]

Is draedon aware of John wulfrum

[thorn drift]

they had fast food in the medieval ages (though obviously not in the way we understand it today, it can still be considered fast food), so thats totally reasonable tbh

[green prairie]

well apparently gel is edible, so that would be a funny stand in for fast food

[simple tangle]

gel slop

[worldly spindle]

It’s a condiment

[simple tangle]

yummy

[worldly spindle]

“Gel slop”?

Gel means slop, you’re saying slop slop!

[simple tangle]

no it doesnt

[green prairie]

i wonder if slimes are just like mildly obnoxious animals in the calamityverse. imagine you go out to get the racoon out of your trash and its just the ball of sludge

[simple tangle]

what if u put a straw in them can u drink slimes

[green prairie]

probably? it might be hard though

[pulsar trellis]

if u blended the slimes would they turn into like colored water

[thorn drift]

well, no, they'd still be slime

its an amorphous, gelatinous mass, you can't really blend it

it'd just put itself back together

[long scaffold]

Does DoG have any sort of logo

Actually, does anyone have one beyond the Primordial Light insignia?

[dusk laurel]

yeah

every god has a sigil associated with them

yharim has his insignia

[dusk laurel]

his face

[long scaffold]

Checks out, though I was hoping for something simpler for art's sake

[limpid saddle]

god he would wear a cape or bandana or some shit with his face on it

[green prairie]

i imagine his would be similar to the one stamped on Mega Rayquaza's face

[north wing]

can anyone explain to me why we are fighting calamitas? like isnt she a "good guy" because she left yharim?

[night barn]

she still doesn't like us at all

[dusk laurel]

oh my god its video games itself

[night barn]

yeah im videos games

[night barn]

yharim wants us to be his successor and calamitas doesn't like yharim

she probably fights us cause she doesn't want us to be like him

i think there's some dialogue ab that

[north wing]

ahh

but where is yharim in all this

he didnt tell me or smth that i need to be his successor

[night barn]

that's his goal

all the lore items are very biased

[simple tangle]

retirement home

[long bloom]

he's trying to subtlety manipulate you into finishing the crusade

thus being his successor

[fierce night]

I wish SCal was a bit more present during the game - doesn't have to be major, just a bit of a hinderance in the background cos if she really wanted you to not become another Yharim, why wait for the player to be strong enough to summon and defeat you?

[raven brook]

Worth noting the summoning isn't canon

[long scaffold]

I agree that she could be built up more (Exos have the entire codebreaker) but I think Sans Undertale's logic can be applied to an extent. For context, Sans doesn't trust you from the getgo. Though he claims he doesn't because of a promise, he's also just... super freaking depressed. Replace "because of a promise" with "to avoid more mindless slaugter" and that's SCal for ya. At least, from my understanding it is.

[raven brook]

You don't really "summon" most of the bosses

Scal def should have more of a presence in the story i feel she kinda just shows up out of nowhere as it is rn

[fierce night]

Here's my pitch (if you may)

[agile matrix]

make funny little box
"Alright scumbag let's do this thing."

[long scaffold]

Closest thing is making a weaker version that hardly builds her up besides implying she exists somewhere.

[raven brook]

The mod's story is extremely unfinished ingame ant it tells

SSO will have some pretty cool narrative stuff like cutscenes and the sorts iirc? + More enviromental storytelling

Sunken sea stuff by itself

is already building up scal more

Cuz like that's the place She Blew Up

[agile matrix]

going to Azafure and getting random loud noises

[raven brook]

The dialogue tree from Amidias will work as probably the player's first introduction to her existence in the story

[fierce night]

During your fight with the Cal Clone, SCal is the one to finish it off (I assume SCal hates the Cal Clone due to what it represents; the abuse of her powers and outright violation of her being) so she somewhat thanks you for making it easier to find the little bugger. Then she tries to kill you then and there (no nerf, you are literally fighting the final boss with hardmode gear.)
Before SCal finishes you off, Permafrost stops her, because you da player is the one who freed him. SCal, seeing Permafrost free and defending you, doesn't really know what to think of you, and just dips.

She returns at later points in your progression just to gauge where your morals are at, whether in combat or just talking with you - about Yharim, Permafrost, Draedon, the Crusade (just gives more insight to her perspective of everything.) Each 'fight' is just one of her phases each, but extended, and when you get round to where you can finally challenge her at her full power, you get all the phases as usual.

[raven brook]

This is a interesting idea but i think it dosen't really work for a few reasons

Scal for one dosen't really seem to hate calclone - Much the opposite

She freed her

It'd be kinda fucked up if she did hate her really tbh imo

Also the reason Calamitas dosen't fight you early on, is, well

She dosen't have a reason to

[split mortar]

This would also have to make cryogen mandetory for calclone

[raven brook]

The reason she fights you so late is because it's only then that she gets concerned by your immense rise in strenght

And how you seem to be following in yharim's footsteps

early on you'e just like. some random person

And that's looking at the narrative side of things yeah -Gameplay wise there's a whole other lot

This is still a terraria mod, don't forget that

We're talking about a sandbox game here

You can't really heavyhand a linear storyline

Which is why having permafrost show up and all that would be harder to pull off

[fierce night]

I guess that's true - it would make the game more inflexible. I chose the Cal Clone as the point she shows up because it's something i thought she would atleast raise an eyebrow at if you defeated. I did forget that SCal freed the Cal Clone so the attitude I gave her for wanting to hunt it down doesn't really make a lot of sense. I did want Permafrost do a little more because beyond Cryogen he is sort of there. Maybe to account for if you did beat Cryogen or not SCal's opinion of you alters because Perma isn't there to back you up but yeah - still a sandbox game -you aren't really a problem to her until say, you've slain the DoG or Yharon, and by then it's too late. SCal's not really an active character.

[raven brook]

The entire point of the scal fight is that she isn't really thinking things through and is kind of acting in impulse due to how much you resemble Yharim in her eyes, and as the fight passes she starts to chill out and realize "Wait i'm doing exactly the same thing as i did before oh no" so i think having the fight be split like that would be much harder to justify narratively
I do absolutely think Scal should mave more buildup and presence but i'm unsure if her having that much of an active role would work

I'm particularly partial of the idea of you meeting scal early on as random wandering npc before shit goes down and she dosen't really make it clear she's scal and you can talk to her a bit because i think that's silly

She's just wandering around wearing a mantle or something so that the player dosen't immediately realizxe holy shit calamitas!

soyjak pointing image

yk the one

[fierce night]

Ok maybe the interactions at different points do take the wind out of the final fight itself - i don't know when would be a better time for SCal to appear before her actual fight - she's ultimately fine but compared to Yharim and Draedon who through lore, labs and the codebreaker are present without physically being there, SCal does lack.

[eager bluff]

honestly

i think just having a one-off interaction is perfectly fine

[raven brook]

I think if you want to make scal appear before her fight the best way to do it is to not have it be clear it's scal or otherwise just make her inconspicuous

Like again just have her wandering as a npc somewhere and oyu can talk to her a bit

[eager bluff]

shes just another passerby

[raven brook]

yeah exactly

Compared to Draedon or Yharim i feel like she works better if she's not really playing much of a grand role at first, and just kind of doing her own thing

[eager bluff]

it also works well for her character because if you realize shes scal then you also realize

damn

[raven brook]

It still lets you build up her character

[eager bluff]

she really is just a girl

you have this legend being built up around her about how horrible she is and how dangerous her powers are and how shes done this and that and everything in between and then you get to the fight and shes actually like that at first but as the fight goes on she chills out and you realize that shes essentially just a traumatized girl with superpowers that never had the chance to actually process what she was doing until after she had already done it

[fierce night]

Kind of reminds me of Hulk - the first thing you hear of him is the power, the monster, the weapon, this that and the third, and at first it may appear that way, but very few have actually gotten close to the Hulk to realise that he's really just a child lashing out at the world who needs actual compassion and for someone to treat him like the troubled person he is. Though this comparison may not go deeper than that, still interesting how powers mask the person who use them to make them appear like monsters, and then for a second or a while, they actually believe it. Both of their powers even come from Hell!

[raven brook]

Calamitas fucked up real badly during her childhood and Killed People and she's not innocent in any way but also she was a victim of circumstance and manipulation and she's working on doing better and ammending her mistakes as much as she can now and always bet on yharim ruining everyhting ever

calamity mod lore can be boiled down to Yellow Guy Sucks

[simple tangle]

calamitas is.....is probelematic.......?

[raven brook]

yes it's me calamitas. i hate french people

[fierce night]

Think in her bestiary it also mentioned that for a time she revelled in it too. Maybe as she grew she realised that life wasn't for her and by then, who the hell's gonna give her a second chance?

[simple tangle]

calclone sweep

[fierce night]

Doesn't sound to problematic to me.

[raven brook]

During her childhood she did because she was being convinced that she was doing a good thing

[simple tangle]

permafrost:

[raven brook]

She was basically a "war hero" in many quotes for the yharmy

[eager bluff]

as i said

[simple tangle]

child soldier lore

[raven brook]

child soldier lore

[eager bluff]

she never had the chance to actually process what she was doing until long after she had already done it

[split mortar]

Scal fell for the yharim propaganda and got turned into essentially a reusable nuclear bomb for yharim to nuke people with

[simple tangle]

permafrost and cal need to have a conversation.........

[fierce night]

Did she fall for it or was she forced under it?

[raven brook]

me when my entirer family dies overnight and it mightve been partially my fault and also my entire city and everything ive ever known exploded and then yellow guy takes me in and uses my incredibly vulnerable shaken mental state to manipulate me into Nuclear Bomb[

[fierce night]

Or a bit of both...

[eager bluff]

she wasnt forced to do it

yharim is quite against that

[simple tangle]

iirc theyre not actually in bad terms, the cryogen imprisonment seems to have been done willingly by both so that she didnt have to kill her dad

[split mortar]

She wasnt physically forced but a whole lot of mental manipulation and propaganda was done

[raven brook]

Well i didn't FORCE her to do it....

[simple tangle]

(perma and cal)

[split mortar]

Basically everything but physically forcing her

[raven brook]

I just convinced her to! While she was still a like 13 year old and had just lost everything she's ever known or cared about ever

[eager bluff]

i didnt FORCE her to do it i just never gave her any other options

[raven brook]

go little calamitas go incinerate the . the uh. the EVIL and DESPICABLE fish people yepp

theyre sooo evil

[simple tangle]

god this makes me think about

the fucking

[raven brook]

you should uhhh blow them up

[simple tangle]

stupid plaguebringer lore item

[raven brook]

you'll be like awesome you'll be a hero

!

[fierce night]

Yeah Yharim's the guy to say he won't do something but do everything else to acheive the same outcome whilst still claiming he didn't do it.

[eager bluff]

yes

[simple tangle]

yeah yharim ur so right ud never force anyone go off bee boy

[eager bluff]

he twists the truth but in at least this case he isnt technically lying

[simple tangle]

hes not lying hes just stupid

[split mortar]

Plague is physically forcing em so it goes against his morality he follows very tightly
He just sucks at having morality

[raven brook]

Yeah no deadass

That's

That's literally Yharim

[simple tangle]

and radicalized and in deep denial about everything

[split mortar]

Yup

[raven brook]

This is what Yharim's "regrets" boil down to

Everytime someone think Yharim regrets the past and is actually a tragic fallen hero or whatever yeah no this is what he means

[simple tangle]

yharon what the fuck did you do

[raven brook]

He's delulu

[fierce night]

As tyrants are

[raven brook]

He's sooo delulu

That's the thing people oftne miss about his character too

[eager bluff]

honestly for yharon i get it

like

[simple tangle]

i gotta know what yharon told yharim

[raven brook]

He Genuinely Believes his ideology, he's not just Lying to kill people because he's Evil or something

[simple tangle]

yeah

[raven brook]

He literally Does Not see the whole genocide as a bad thing

he think it's rightful and just

[fierce night]

He's Young Kratos if he half-assed his way through GOW III then gave up mid playthrough

[raven brook]

I mean he killed alot of the gods

[simple tangle]

i get that yharon had his entire race wiped off existence i just gotta know wtf happened between him and Yharim

[split mortar]

I mean yharim got a solid 95% of the gods

[raven brook]

He did a mostly good job at killing the gods i'll give him that

"good" job that is

He was very Efficient about it

[eager bluff]

yharim told his story in his own biased way afaik

[raven brook]

He certainly did kill a whole lot of them even if killing them was kind of Bad to begin with

[simple tangle]

the big purple and red spots in the hearthlands:

[eager bluff]

he still killed them

[fierce night]

He mostly relies on bad faith when it comes to godslaying

[simple tangle]

i mean he killed all gods indiscriminately didnt he

[split mortar]

Yharim had just been attempted executioned for not killing a dragon forever by a gods forces
And then got told how dragons were so cool and awesome and how gods have to kill them to satiate their greed for power or something

[raven brook]

Yeah

He didn't really care about if God Good or God Bad because God Inherently Bad in his eyes

[split mortar]

People irl have done shit like that for less reason

[raven brook]

And so Inherently Bad that he was willing to explode a entire civilization with thousands of innocents and destroy a entire ecosystem with his Child Soldier Nuclear Bomb

ifi t meant he had a CHANCE to kill like. two gods

[simple tangle]

i gotta ask though, how many of the gods are complicit in the genocide of the auric dragons because like
im guessing theres a lot of cases where its not done violently but like you gotta wonder where those auric souls came from right

[raven brook]

(cough. illmeris. cough)

[simple tangle]

not saying yharim is right

[raven brook]

i mean i'm sure alot of them did kill a dragon but i'm sure some of them didn't

[simple tangle]

just something i thought about

[raven brook]

not to mention damn some dragons deadass deserved it

looking at you Zaelithar

[split mortar]

^

[spice torrent]

what did he do

[spring helm]

kill people

[simple tangle]

whats a zaelithar

[raven brook]

he's John Flame

[simple tangle]

oh

[spice torrent]

oh the dragon of fire

[simple tangle]

hes

[raven brook]

The dragon of flame that is explicitly stated to have kinda deserved it in the bestiary

[spring helm]

dragon of fr fr

[long bloom]

general asshole to every living species

[split mortar]

Flame dragon providence was righteous in killing

[raven brook]

he's the Asshole

[simple tangle]

provi where the fuck did u get that ideology from girl

[spice torrent]

i see
well i mean if providence and her guardians beat him while he was full might that might also tell something about his strength

[split mortar]

Seemingly something ml did according to embers

[split mortar]

Is it time for me to bring the embers link again

[raven brook]

My favorite quote of mine in recent times is saying "maybe providence was right" whenever i feel doom an despair towards Situations

[simple tangle]

real

i giggled

[fierce night]

Providence just wants scorched earth, right?

[eager bluff]

i personally enjoy boar myself

[long bloom]

literally "kill everyone"

[long bloom]

yeah

[fierce night]

"Nuke the whole generation"

[eager bluff]

not just the generation

[split mortar]

Literally everyone
Except herself and maybe the guardians…

[eager bluff]

she wants everything so dead that nothing can come back

[fierce night]

You know what prov, you might be on to something

[raven brook]

That one's also really good

Provi is basically like

[split mortar]

Why is it boar and not hog from horrible hog

[raven brook]

"Man, i hate racism!"

"Can't have racism if there's no people to be racist to."

"Man, i hate bullying!"

"Can't have bullying if there's no people to bully."

"Man, i hate class inequality!"

"Can't have class inequality if there's no people to be inequal."

"Man, i hate

"Can't have hate if there's no people to hate."

"_ _"

"Kill everyone."

[dusk laurel]

[spice torrent]

Im curious
What would happen if Illmeris defeated the Yharmy?

what would the consequences of that be

[split mortar]

That entails calamitas somehow lost
Which
How??? Prolly just an all out attack with everyone in a few years if theres a god strong enough to kill jane nuke
Or like genuinely retreat

[spice torrent]

Would Draedon be able to create the Exo Mechs?

[split mortar]

Sea prisms would still exist so yeah
Otonilou would not be capable of keeping an eye on all prisms

[spice torrent]

my idea is that either Calamitas decided to leave battle or she gets critically wounded by the god of electricity

[long bloom]

i don't think otonilou is much of a fighter

[raven brook]

Draedon randomly decides to betray Yharim because he's bored and wants to figure out how such an event would affect the socioeconomics of terraria

[spice torrent]

aaaand that puts a wrench in it

[long bloom]

tyrian was also there though

he's strong i think

[spice torrent]

god of the sea right

[split mortar]

Yeah tyrian is the fighter and calamitas kinda just says no to his entire domain

[long bloom]

yuh

[spice torrent]

even though water is good against fire

[split mortar]

Issue
Calamitas is deleting the sea in a kilometre radius

[long bloom]

water vs inferno literally hotter than the sun probably

[spice torrent]

well nevermind

calamitas gets dragged out of battle by permafrost

[simple tangle]

coughing fish vs thermonuclear bomb

[split mortar]

Almost certainly
Basic lava in the crags is nearly as hot as the suns surface

[spice torrent]

he's still around when the incineration of illmeris happens right

[long bloom]

he's not there i don't think

[spice torrent]

fuuuu and calamitas is literally just a win condition

[simple tangle]

im p sure he quit immediately after illmeris got scorched

[split mortar]

And calamitas needed draedon to break thermodynamics to get a rival im fire heat

[long bloom]

yeag

[split mortar]

Well yeah she is the nuclear option

In a world thats not even gotten to the 1900s

[long bloom]

yharim describes her as his ace in the hole

[spice torrent]

she's not the ace she's the whole deck

[long bloom]

true

[spice torrent]

losing her kinda put the crusades in limbo

[simple tangle]

what did the fish people even do

[split mortar]

Well she is ace

[long bloom]

chill

[split mortar]

There were 2 gods that benevolently ruled them

[simple tangle]

oh

guilty by association to yharim

[long bloom]

✅

[spice torrent]

one of them electrified the waters (creating sea prisms) and the other tried to use his power to fight but his power source was getting vaporized by calamitas in real time so he couldn't do much

[simple tangle]

real

asf

[split mortar]

Yeah
They were still benevolent that was because the direction they were in was getting hit with nukes

[long scaffold]

That won't stop a certiain group of fans...

[split mortar]

Did not need to mention that stuff

[long scaffold]

Can we send them to the depths of the crags thanks

[spice torrent]

yeah we do need to do that

[long scaffold]

preferrably deep in the lava

[spice torrent]

make sure we don't cast them down with a mythical dragon egg though

[long scaffold]

Yharon would leave them though

He

is not stupid

[split mortar]

Yharim did not groom her in that way

[long scaffold]

He said that because Yharon saved Yharim so he might save the freaks by accident if he was thrown in with them

[split mortar]

👍

[spice torrent]

what if someone got ahold of a dragon's remains and attempted to necromancy it

i assume somethin like ravager but infinitely worse

[split mortar]

Probably a little more tame since gods are extra fucked at the soul

[split mortar]

We do not know
Maybe a dragons soul would be capable of resisting most attempts to use it like such due to auric being weird but we just lack information this event never happened before
Could also result in dragon zombie hell torture thing yeah

[spice torrent]

wait a minute
imagine a taser but with auric ore at the tips

[split mortar]

Thats not a tazer thats a murder device

You taze someone and they become a grey outline on the floor like the people from those ww2 nukes

[spice torrent]

i see

[scenic olive]

why does drinking tesla potion gives you the ability to electrify someone

[split mortar]

The potion makes you gay thats why

[raven brook]

No she's ace (aro too)

/j

[long scaffold]

Siriffin from the hit indie RPG In Stars And Time beat you to the joke

[dusk laurel]

🚬

[raven brook]

Beats them to death

[wheat walrus]

how it feels appearing here in 2026

[night barn]

accurate

[left rivet]

Is astrum aureus a crab

Mecha crabulon

Both infected by a biome

[long bloom]

i believe it was inspired by crabs

[long bloom]

interesting connection

never thought about that

[left rivet]

Both walk like a crab

Both are technically dead

Both would be eatable

And served as a soup

[agile matrix]

isnt aureus fought at somewhere near the mech tier

[zenith geode]

between plant and golem

[agile matrix]

really

[modest elk]

what attacks would Yharim even do? pull a nailsage sly?

[long bloom]

he has a giant fucking sword

and is really good at punching people

[agile matrix]

break the third wall and go into the back and foreground

hire someone like lucille karma to make yharim fully animated in the background

[long bloom]

[thorn drift]

providence is literally just nova without the whole wish granting part

[agile matrix]

mild headcanon i've had for a while; due to the sheer power of the dragons, certain meteorological events can cause the aerie enviroment to sound musical at times

(their auric power seeped into the rocks and trees and water of Specifically the Aerie)

this is based on Nothing but Aura

[pulsar ocean]

no

[limpid saddle]

Damn this is S.Calamitas & C.C slander rolled into one

[agile matrix]

i think it'd be interesting to see a hate-interest relationship between scal and cc

like "You are a failed mockery of my craft, but you could be useful later."

[limpid saddle]

You know the both of them don't exactly love using their Brimstone Magic right?

[agile matrix]

one uses it as a primary staple of their existance and the other a refined power they hold

[pulsar ocean]

That sounds like something signus would say

[agile matrix]

maybe

im quite draedonpilled so that doesnt help

[limpid saddle]

That's definetly something Signus would say

There's a reason Supreme Calamitas flew into a rage as soon as she found out the Clone existed & immideatly saught to rescue her

Instead of like, trying to murder her or something

[limpid saddle]

& spinning back on this for S.Cal it's a permeneant reminder of the thousands of people she killed during her battle with the Brimstone Elemental & later serving in the Yharmy, & for C.C it's the thing that shattered her mind

I would not doubt that if both were in the right state of mind they would both be incredibly hesitant to use it, & for S.Cal specifically, be proud of her skill in it

It feels like you're getting this all from the very outdated C.C fight dialogue & equally outdated S.Cal fight dialogue

[mighty zenith]

no claws sorry

his ai is just crabulon 2 because fabsol was a lazy bastard

[limpid saddle]

For every 1 unique ai the calamity teams makes fabsol NEEDS to insure it's spread over 2 or more bosses to make it feel less unique

come to think of it Ravager is also a Crabulon re-skin right?

or did they steal Golem AI for that one

[scenic olive]

dragon of shrooms

[spice torrent]

this i think

[left rivet]

A lot of Duke fishron a lot of golem and a lot of uh eoc?

And retinazor

Also is crabulon important to the story?

[mighty zenith]

no lol

its related to the ilmeris war because it originates from there

but its existence is isolated

[sinful adder]

You know, golem is kinda just. King slime

So there are really only like 4 or 5 original bosses and everything else is variants of that

The variations can get pretty significant though

[scenic olive]

do you think ravager parts is more rocky or more boney

[limpid saddle]

more flesh

i mean look at the guy

[scenic olive]

[real silo]

mokk

[scenic olive]

damn

he skipped leg days

[real silo]

He's a gorilla he walks on all fours

[scenic olive]

true

how come Yharim havent killed him

wait he did

im stupid

[mighty zenith]

[thorn drift]

he did, he got better though

[next aurora]

did we ever find out what actually does go through the mind of a fading legend

[mighty zenith]

toxic wisdom

[next aurora]

"dash dash dash"

[pulsar ocean]

Which one is coming to the game

[limpid saddle]

Both

That's phase 1 & 2

[pulsar ocean]

Unfathomable

[scenic olive]

how can leviathan float bro

[azure tartan]

Aura

[scenic olive]

this so tuff, bro spitting boulder at us

[limpid saddle]

it's a vaguely magical lizard possibly crafted by the embodiment of nature & it vomits meteors at you

& levitation is what you're questioning?

[limpid saddle]

anyhow the idea is phase 1 is an altar inside the church you fight Ravager, you put something on it & bursts to life with murderous intent

[scenic olive]

leviathan is levitating while being shot down by leviatitan

[raven brook]

More like got worse tbh 😭

[agile matrix]

how can draedon make bigass lasers, how can DoG eviserate people, how can yharon come back to life and not Die, how can Signus Do That

"Idk Man Its just Cool"

[scenic olive]

because theyre just that guy

theyre definition of him

[long scaffold]

Is there a lore reason to why everything from the Astral Infection look so metallic? Astrum Aureus fits right in even though it's the only one (that I know of) to be confirmed as a robot assimilated into the infection.

[dusk laurel]

no

asking for a lore explanation on things made before the lore rewrite is a bit guh considering its being remade and with good reason and also very outdated

[long scaffold]

Okay so reasoning is "old" got it

Like eyeball Calclone

[raven brook]

shoutout to how astrum deus uses the metallic hit sounds but astrum aureus dosent

[hoary cape]

Deus is clearly made of metal and aureus isn't

[zenith geode]

it does?

[limpid saddle]

magic makes you a robot

[agile matrix]

aureus makes a kinda "Wourh" noise

[limpid saddle]

maybe the retconned idea could be that since mana is stored in the bones creatures infected by the astral infection begin to overflow with mana & form an exoskeleton to compensate in storage

[agile matrix]

(Repeatedly.)

[scenic olive]

god of headcanon

i wonder how long astral infection existed?

it could be older than anything

stargod ahh lore

[split mortar]

The specific astral we have in game is probably not much older then when it hits the planet but it the astral is a phenomenon probably as old as stars have been forming in the universe

[scenic olive]

didn't Astrum Deus knock one of the astral meteors to us

like what if there is a bigger Astral Entity out there

[split mortar]

Yea
Astral shrinks like other stars do so it cant be like a million years old afaik

[scenic olive]

one that might even predates Fovos himself

[split mortar]

Welcome back old lore noxus (i think??)

[scenic olive]

i thought old lore noxus was like some dude with auric soul and the domain is basically manifested into distortion

maybe i got things mixed up with fandom

[split mortar]

Old lore didnt have auric souls

Afaik

[scenic olive]

literally headcanoned distortion lore

[split mortar]

Old lore noxus was the fusion of most dark gods i think? With xeroc being all light gods fused
Also did the distortion exist outside of pocket dimension for dog to be fought in eventually ™

[scenic olive]

i cant wait to drink the funny liquid

[split mortar]

Cosmilite poisoning

[dusk laurel]

cosmilite ice save me

[scenic olive]

cosmilite shavings on mac and cheese

[tulip meteor]

this may be a stupid question to ask but i just recently started to fixate on yharons lore and for that i have to learn about yharim. how did we find out how yharim looked like and what role does he play during a playthrough?

[hoary cape]

Yharim is the antagonist

He is also pretty well known given his vendetta against gods

And killing off a good portion of them

[split mortar]

Yharim is the person talking in the lore whispers dropped by bosses
He is the main antagonist and aims to basically manipulate the terrarian into continuing the crusade
Many bosses throughout the game exist or are like that as a direct result of either him or one of his allies fucking things up

We found out how yharim looks cause devs released his concept art
He hasnt made an ingame visual appearance yet

Yharims current concept arts
Tho he is far enough away that its unlikely this to stay as the concept art they are gonna use when they get to him

#lore-discussion message
this document likely covers things i forgot about if you want more information

[tulip meteor]

oooooooh so he is the one controlling everything basicly? like the one true king kind of deal?

[split mortar]

He has had a huge influence on the entire world (the world population halved because of him ) but he was not in control of the entire planet

[tulip meteor]

oh okay so like he just wants to kill the gods and become the strongest?

and if im getting things right, he wants the terrarian to keep going so that they can kill the gods for him?

[split mortar]

He wants to kill the gods because he believes that since gods have to permanently kill an auric dragon to be a god all gods deserve death
He is already the strongest mortal that has touched the planet (other then you)

[eager bluff]

kill the gods and anybody affiliated

[split mortar]

He ignores the nuance of what if a god is good, the dragon possibly consenting or the dragon being evil and deserving it or any other nuances and just views it in a black and white gods bad dragons good

[hoary cape]

He burns children alive just because they were born into god worshipping families

[tulip meteor]

awwww he just loves dragons so much!

[eager bluff]

not children specifically and iirc not for that reason explicitly

he kills Anybody that worships gods

[split mortar]

Yeah which is why he got draedon to make the orphan bomber 9000 (skeletron prime)

[hoary cape]

Well yah, but burning children alive is obviously more evil than just burning other people

Both are evil of course

[eager bluff]

in short hes the ultimate maltheist and took it into his own hands to kill god

[tulip meteor]

is wrath of the machines/gods canon in any way?

[split mortar]

No

[tulip meteor]

oh okay

[split mortar]

No addons are canon and only vcmm is even official
But wotg does have cool lore

[tulip meteor]

yeah thats what i was thinking about!

well the exo mechs are just draedons personal project right? or is it another request from yharim so that they can bomb more children hahahaha

[eager bluff]

personal project

[split mortar]

By the time of the exo mechs yharim has cut almost all ties with draedon due to draedon committing competitive automated slavery
The exos are a personal project of draedon trying to match yharims power

[eager bluff]

draedon essentially got fired by yharim because plaguebringer goliath

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tulip meteor]

ooooooh

but plaguebringer is so cool imo

[split mortar]

Still slavery so yharim hates that draedon did that

Ignore that yharim groomed a minor into nuking italy

[tulip meteor]

okay so yharim is a bad guy that has some sense of right or wrong?

[split mortar]

Yeah

[tulip meteor]

that makes things so much better imo

[split mortar]

He is a horribly wrong person and is the reason why hitler gets said in this chat so much
But
He is human and so has morality and reason behind the actions even if said reason and morality fucking suck and are based on delusion

[tulip meteor]

so then in "roar of the jungle dragon" yharon is talking about that he will fight against the terrarian but that yharim should reconsider letting the player get this far?

like yharon is a loyal mf but is trying to slap some sense into yharim

[split mortar]

Yeah think so
Havent listened to roar of the jungle dragon in a hot minute, it does fit yharons characterisation tho still which is nice

[tulip meteor]

yeah i just played through the game with some friends so i had to listen to the soundtrack again and started to analyze the lyrics

[split mortar]

Fair enough

Songs great

[tulip meteor]

it really is

well thanks for the clarification! lets see how long this hyperfixation lasts hahaha

[split mortar]

No problem
Hope you enjoy the hyperfixation

[tulip meteor]

so for so good i would say

[split mortar]

Nice

[limpid saddle]

anyone got anything thoughtful or insightful to say about Calamitas Clone

i'm bored & i desire to ponder her from a new perspective or find misinformation to strangle

[split mortar]

If it were possible to be done what type of character arc would you like to see her go through in calamity

[limpid saddle]

Well I've mentioned my interpretation of her possessing some of Calamitas memories, I think it would be really interesting if the team DO take the NPC angle, for her to develop a dynamic with Permafrost

I think tutoring the Clone could help Permafrost's character in giving him a chance to reflect on whether what he did was right in training Calamitas (the first one) in the first place, as it led her to having the skill & finesse for Yharim to justify sending her off to fight for him

This could also do some really interesting stuff for C.C's character, by having her possess vague memories of Permafrost, you could see her grapple with & try to figure out where the line is between what SHE feels & what feelings she's inherited from Calamitas, & where that line is muddied

Admittedly due to her not having direct connections to basically anything currently alive, I think the only real event she would comment on or take notice of would maybe be the destruction of any of Draedon's creations, like Aureus or the Plaguebringer Goliath, give her a chance to think about her role in having been another wild creation of Draedon laying waste to everything in her sight

Then maybe a few sparse words on the nature of Ravager, assuning she practices & understands Necromancy enough to recognise just what it is

Sadly most of the interesting stuff would essentially be post-game given Calamitas would need to be around, but you can definetly do alot of intriguing stuff with their second meeting, moreso considering the above & C.C reflecting on who she is & who Calamitas is, or can be, to her

Yap session over, you're free not to read but I think that covers the rough draft of my idea of her arc

[reef wigeon]

Do you think Xeroc has experience crafting items?

[agile matrix]

he's probably made things before

so yes

[scenic olive]

me when primordial light

[long bloom]

they made the terminus

[scenic olive]

thats a rock

the rock

xe rock

xeroc

[soft flame]

[warm gull]

the rock from boss rush would make good armor

think about it, aeriestone is nigh unbreakable

[jaunty wraith]

What if the rock is a consumable

[pulsar ocean]

does that imply you can eat it

[jaunty wraith]

Yes

[agile matrix]

i gave the idea a while back of using the rock as essentially the best railcannon Ever

since aeriestone is not affected by any weathering force, it could technically be immune to gravity and wind resistance

[jaunty wraith]

How about its just a rock you throw

Can one shot anything

[robust osprey]

close enough, welcome back throwing brick

[craggy sparrow]

If DoG traps someone in their pocket dimension

can someone just use a potion of return

or recall

[agile matrix]

realistically no; i believe the point of entry would be the new starting point

[jaunty wraith]

What if they just save and exit the game then come back

[scenic olive]

i headcanoned yharim bigass greatsword is made out of that

[agile matrix]

this would be fire as hell

the issue is that Aerierock cannot be harmed by most forces to my knowledge

[scenic olive]

what if he just found a sword shaped rock

[agile matrix]

... you Might be cooking here.

they're immune to erosion though, where would he find a good shaped Stone

[sinful adder]

"most" is an understatement

[night barn]

i mean we don't really know how the aerie formed

but some weird looking rocks are probably just there

[agile matrix]

i mean i Fuck With the idea Hard; imagine using a stone from the Home of your Greatest Friend

as your Primary Weapon

thing would never get dull, thing would never break, it'd be always trustworthy

[regal atlas]

I know the answer to this is probably obvious and I just missed it but do we know why Yharim is depressed and wants us to fight/kill him?

[night barn]

he wants us to kill him and be his successor

[agile matrix]

Yharim is real sad that he's Old and can't Genocide More Gods

[night barn]

because he killed 99% of gods and is now shambling around and pathetic

[agile matrix]

if We kill him, we, in his eyes, Take The Flagship and Continue the Crusade

[night barn]

and wants us to kill the rest

"shambling" is an overstatement he's still big and macho but

he's not a good guy

and we'll surpass him in strength

[agile matrix]

"surpass" is a Ballpark

[regal atlas]

So he's basically just unable to continue the crusade on his own due to age and he wants to guide someone to surpass him?

[agile matrix]

we match if not falter slightly with sheer mechenical

[night barn]

yes

[agile matrix]

yea, exactly yes

[night barn]

not necessarily due to age though

[agile matrix]

no im half sure its from age

[night barn]

i mean yeah age is def a part but its not ONLY age

[agile matrix]

multiple areas have mentioned that chronologically, time is his greatest enemy here

[night barn]

i doubt he was ever able to kill xeroc

[regal atlas]

Are any of the addons cannon?