lore-discussion

[long bloom]

versatile enough to perfectly recreate the appearance and behavior of living beings

[reef wigeon]

Sooooooo...

He can become XERORM if he wants

[wanton pendant]

???

Oh.

I get it.

[long bloom]

i believe they mean xeroc worm

[wanton pendant]

Yes, I got it.

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

[long bloom]

again,
yes but why though

[reef wigeon]

Because devs do that kind of things

[long bloom]

no
no they don't

[visual kiln]

what kinda thing

[eager bluff]

worm boss

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim is so good at using propaganda to create a false narrative that it makes many people who play the mod think hes a misunderstood good guy, falling for his lies and deception

[cosmic zenith]

I keep telling you guys

Noxus will be a worm boss

Xeroc will be a slime boss

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[jaunty wraith]

We need a worm slime boss hybrid

[gilded glen]

we're really gonna have Xeroc roll up and just be a blue slime

"huh, this guy doesnt look so hard"
as we get tapped once and get sent to the shadow realm

[sour bay]

Is there a lore reason for why auric ore sends your ass flying?

[long bloom]

it violently rejects any entity that doesn't appear to have an auric soul

[sour bay]

So basically this

[long bloom]

more like dropping sodium metal in water

(you're the sodium)

this is part of why yharim is so strong

if you touch him you just fucking explode

[sour bay]

Lmfaoooo

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, this sounds like the perfect material for a THE LORDE 2

[agile matrix]

Xe Rorde

like ruh roh raggy. ruh rorde

[vestal karma]

Relatable

[rain scroll]

ATP they should hire me to write for them fr

I’ll fix all the lore problems 😼

[craggy sparrow]

yharim is playing harcore

hed drop ancient ass vanilla terraria loot

and unreleased calamity items

along with 10k platinum coins

[crude musk]

Hello chat

I have a question. Why hasn't dog eaten Silva's remains and the planty mush at the bottom of the abyss

Doesn't it contain godly essence?

[deep warren]

Silva is dead the same way the god who's remains became corruption or crimson

except you know

god of life

[crude musk]

Yeah but wouldn't noxus still like to have it

[reef wigeon]

Yes, but I think it's because... Well, Braelor is in the distortion

[crude musk]

I don't follow

[mighty zenith]

1. the abyss is kinda a hellhole to traverse
2. silva most likely protects herself while recovering
3. jared

[thick slate]

why does killing golem release the plague

[mighty zenith]

terraria is a 2011 video game released by re-logic

[crude musk]

Yeah but Jared only gets triggered by pl

[mighty zenith]

we dunno if that's the only way to anger it

silva blessed it so it probably makes sense that jared also likes silva

[crude musk]

Also noxus could just send a sneakier creature to eat the revival pod

[mighty zenith]

if those even exist

[crude musk]

Also if it's essence got destroyed would it reincarnate as an elemental?

[split mortar]

Not really cause those are staying down and only making crude recreations of the gods at best
Silva will actually just come back, elementals be like that

[deep warren]

So silva is a god and an elemental?

[split mortar]

Yes

[deep warren]

I figure like yes that's what elementals do they want to spread their influence across the entire world and make it to their standards

[split mortar]

Elemental of nature and goddess of life
Also the first dryad

[deep warren]

That's a lot

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

[split mortar]

She is also one of 2 gods that we know of who has perfect ascended

[reef wigeon]

She sounds like the typical roleplay character who's always good at everything

[split mortar]

No not really i have heard of much worse with calamity rp characters

[reef wigeon]

I was just exaggerating.

[crude musk]

But can she come back as a god forever or does she need her essence

[split mortar]

Essence is soul but broken so i imagine it doesnt break into essence in the first place

[crude musk]

Yeah but can she generate a new one or can she only put her old one back together

[pulsar ocean]

half elemental half god fully immortal
green

[reef wigeon]

And job: level 9 magic dryad

[reef wigeon]

What size mountain could Xeroc one-shot?

[wooden rover]

All of them

[reef wigeon]

Guys, I don't think light works in such a way that it accumulates into a sphere due to gravity

[raven brook]

Son of yharim ...

[crude musk]

What info do we have on Yharim before he took a dip in lava?

He was presumably a slave and got an education from the gods?

[pulsar ocean]

why did they get rid of yhar har har being a lihzard

[crude musk]

Racism

[raven brook]

He was being indoctrinated by dogma in his god cult and uhh

Yeah thats about all we know

[pulsar ocean]

he was 8 feet and built like a greek god so dogma chose him as the candidate to become a fresh god

[raven brook]

Fair to assume Dogma saw him as compliant/submissive enough to make for a good puppet king

[pulsar ocean]

also lush red hair

[crude musk]

Yeah but was he chosen when he was young or old, was he chosen a long time before the scheduled yharon soul sacrifice or not

Or do we just not know that

[raven brook]

Yeah we dunno

[pulsar ocean]

wait so was yharon offered to him while he was still an egg

[crude musk]

Yeah

[pulsar ocean]

if thats the case did yharim just run away with a big ass egg

[crude musk]

Also can we agree yharim was harboring hatred against the gods or at least dogma and his allies before he got dipped into lava

Or is that hc territory

[pulsar ocean]

how did yharon even have time to grow up from being little after hatching

[crude musk]

Cause it was guarded closely probably

It's pretty important

[crude musk]

Ig rebirth just works differently

Maybe he built his body in the egg during the 10 years needed for rebirth

[jaunty niche]

are there any information about his parents?

[raven brook]

no

doubt there will be much on them

[jaunty niche]

still so many misteries in the story

[raven brook]

Yharim's parents are ultimately fairly irrelevant to the story the way i see it so at most i can see us getting a explanation for why he got into the God-cult in the first place, whether it be because his parents died and john dogma took him in or because his parents laready were a part of it or something else

[jaunty niche]

I mean, how he was raised up, what's his childhood. not specifically his biological parents, sorry

[raven brook]

no need to apologize

but ok yeah in regards to his childhood i can def see us getting more on that

yharim's pre-crusade past is largely unknown rn and definitely important to his character at large

[jaunty niche]

true

[split mortar]

[wheat walrus]

john

[reef wigeon]

Omni; the almighty, dark teto

[simple tangle]

Hi all

At work rn

[noble falcon]

I’m a firm believer that he was an iPad baby

[simple tangle]

Would Draedon assist u in transitioning. discuss

[young socket]

transitioning is easy in calamity

theres literally an entire potion for it

[simple tangle]

Ignore that

[dusk laurel]

[long bloom]

if it provides them new information, yes

otherwise he wouldn't care

[raven brook]

Given there's a entire potion for it he'd probably either be insulted that you went out of your way to bother him with something so simple or be so impressed at your dedication that he'd do it given how it's something he can probably do in like 2 minutes

maybe both, really

[simple tangle]

Draedon I want that exoestrogen

[simple tangle]

Bumblebirb is Yharim's dragonsona

[distant smelt]

Calling draedon and asking him to make you catgirl hrt

[long scaffold]

Imagine going up to a machine who's made god-like fabrications just to ask him to attach a tail and cat ears on your body

[distant smelt]

All I have to do is claim he can’t do it

[spice torrent]

he might be a robot
but he's a prideful one

[spice torrent]

it'd probably be ridiculously easy for him to do that

[long scaffold]

That's why it's funny

[noble falcon]

Draedon would be the easiest dude on earth to manipulate
“Hey pal, i got some scrumptious information here for ya if you do this thing”

[split mortar]

Thats not manipulation thats an exchange of goods

[agile matrix]

"manipulation"
look inside
trade of goods for knowledge and information

plus he'd lowball you like fuckin hell if he knows what you know already

[raven brook]

He'd also be able to tell if you're lying

You are NOT tricking this guy

[agile matrix]

like "Ah yes. I will enjoy this information about these "Piggy"s. Enjoy your lightsaber." and the lightsaber is horseshit

i dont know if Draedon would make intentionally bad items if data is intentionally bad (for game design reasons) but lorewise i'd think he'd send you a pipe nuke

[raven brook]

if you tried to troll draedon he'd be greatly unamused. depending on how much you annoyed him he may or may not send 50 evil robot spiders on your mailbox

[young socket]

bros gonna make an automatic harraser bot just to piss you off

[simple tangle]

i mean u could easily cite a general increase in performance after getting any cosmetic enhancements and that would probably please him especially since he would take like what 30 seconds on it

[agile matrix]

im unsure if yall realize this guys a supercomputer and not just a guy in a robot suit

this guys like. the smartest person*
*that we know of

he shows up to fight us Solely because he wants to test his mechanica against us

[green prairie]

he probably is the smartest thing of Terraria origin honestly though idk what mechanic's IQ is

[agile matrix]

well there probably is/was a god of knowledge who'd know More

but like

we don't know of them, reasonably

[simple tangle]

theres a theory that hes probably just his creators mind transferred into a robot but i choose not to believe it

[green prairie]

auric dragon of knowledge sounds wacky. imagine that that's what created draedon

[agile matrix]

i mean maybe?? i dont like it

[agile matrix]

eeeeh.

[green prairie]

i still personally subscribe to the idea that draedon was created by just. a normal guy

[agile matrix]

why would the auric dragon of intelligence or whatever want to make a machine to do what they could already do

[agile matrix]

yea i like this one

"it could be Anyone who made Draedon. Anyone At All."

[pulsar ocean]

It was me

the terrarian

[agile matrix]

well no

he specifically remarks his creator was dead next to him

[pulsar ocean]

Dude I’m him from the past

[green prairie]

considering he's a robot with high intellect born in a snowy boreal forest (iirc) made by a regular mortal guy im half convinced Draedon is just Zane Ninjago 2

[agile matrix]

so it cannot be the terrarian since the terrarian cant/can/idfk die

[agile matrix]

dude truth nuke

[young socket]

daedalus

[agile matrix]

that'd maybe fit

permafrost

[long bloom]

draedon's older than him

[agile matrix]

yea im aware

[green prairie]

i imagine its just undertale save/load stuff. or someone just keeps dragging them back home

[raven brook]

There's one character that's probably got nearly as much knowledge as Draedon i'd say

Not as much though, and on generally different topics

that being john satan distortion

sigma ..

[long bloom]

signut

[icy veldt]

Tbh I kinda feel like any attempt at trolling Draedon would be so far beneath him that it could amuse him, simply by being so comparatively pathetic

[green prairie]

he does canonically get slightly miffed about certain things though, mostly naming conventions. he gets PISSED at the Terrarian naming the mechs the way they did

[agile matrix]

also at us naming Miracle Matter That

[raven brook]

Signus is seemingly old as fuck given he's been worshipped by the Kinsmen for a While (And i personally HC Signus worship came before Slime God worship in the timeline/history of the Kinsmen)
And his entire thing is making deals with people to amass resources, knowledge and things that might benefit him

so like

I imagine throught the years dude has learned alot

[icy veldt]

Exactly what I was kinda thinking: he's not 100% emotionless, just 99.999% emotionless

[raven brook]

Plus he is seemingly another super-pragmatic fellow

muche like Draedon

[agile matrix]

who is the Kinsmen again

[raven brook]

the clan of ninjas statis was a part of

worship signus and slime god

[agile matrix]

ahh

[green prairie]

he's at most 95%. i like to imagine he got a little more understanding after thinking over why Yharim got pissed at him for mind controlling the bees

[agile matrix]

draedon i dont think is emotionless solely because thats poor scientific

[pulsar ocean]

so did signus strike a deal with statis cuz he’s a kinsman or cuz he was hungry

[agile matrix]

like yes, as a robot, he cannot perfectly emulate humanity

but also, as a scientist, he has to hold at least a little preservation of living beings

[raven brook]

I think Draedon can undertand how emotions work well enough it's just that his priorities inherently need him to not really be emotional

[long bloom]

both probably

[agile matrix]

like with the Plague

[raven brook]

he is Programmed to do Research and Morals kind of get in the way of that

[green prairie]

has he ever cried?

[agile matrix]

he directly mentions that if the Plague gets a bit too rowdy

[raven brook]

I don't think he has tear ducts

[agile matrix]

he'll just instakill it

[agile matrix]

yea this is my thought process about em

[green prairie]

why does he let it run rampant, anyway? just because its interesting to see how it coexists with the rest of Terraria?

[agile matrix]

precisely yes

he's interested about how it spreads and how it develops

but if it starts harming the jungle directly, he has a killswitch to cause all the plague nanomites to die

[green prairie]

if i said please please please kill the exo mechs instantly so i can not fight them please to draedon would he do it

[agile matrix]

no

lmao

[pulsar ocean]

is signus not striking a deal with braelor cuz he’s full or cuz he’s afraid of getting bodied

[agile matrix]

i dont think braelor would accept any deals

he's too Pure to accept deals like That

[pulsar ocean]

Would you give an arm and a leg to escape the purple dimension and reunite with your lover

[agile matrix]

i would not give it to the Devil

[green prairie]

isn't that exactly why he's in super hell and statis isn't?

[pulsar ocean]

What’s the difference

[agile matrix]

is it really

why would signus accept a deal to reverse a previous deal

[pulsar ocean]

Statis got sick shadow limbs for free

[agile matrix]

see i dont have like. plant arms that i can grow

im not the Champion of Life i am a Internet Gamer

[green prairie]

iirc the reason statis wasn't sent to the Distortion was because he dealt with signus, braelor didn't do that and i assume he lives like some kind of mad max dude in there

[simple tangle]

the devil? from the bible?

[pulsar ocean]

It’s either that or you’re stuck in purble for the rest of eternity

[agile matrix]

i mean i presume i'd starve

[pulsar ocean]

Also lots of things probably want to kill you

[agile matrix]

im like

Not the Champion of Life

i probably dont have Regeneration

[green prairie]

isn't there a diverse ecosystem in there?

[pulsar ocean]

Just drink some cosmilite

[agile matrix]

no clue

[green prairie]

my personal headcanon is that braelor is actually still alive in there, he's just been Stanford Pines-ing it for god knows how long and evading the Devourer like a badass

[agile matrix]

im half sure dudes like

alive in there

like not 100% okay

but alive and moving around probably

[green prairie]

NO he's totally half-lost it

[agile matrix]

yea

[pulsar ocean]

I don’t think dog would try to eat him a 2nd time that wouldn’t be wise

[green prairie]

he just gives up eventually and lets him live

[agile matrix]

i mean theres also the fact that like

as of current time (pre Yharim's death, post SCal and Exos), DoG is Dead

[green prairie]

i assume that'll change a little when distortion update rolls around and we actually bump into him

[agile matrix]

im still half sure DoG is Dead even After Distortion

[green prairie]

oh yeah Devourer still dies but like. cooler

[sinful adder]

We actually know the answer to that stuff

[pulsar ocean]

Noxus is still there and still top 2 in verse

[sinful adder]

Braelor is still alive in the distortion

He is strong enough to kill DoG

[green prairie]

i'm still shocked that DoG doesn't have many dragon-like elements considering it feeds on stolen Auric souls

[pulsar ocean]

God souls

[sinful adder]

The auric soul was destroyed. God souls aren't auric

It's like a raw egg vs a cake. The cake contains an egg but the egg is destroyed

[green prairie]

i thought God souls were what became of people slaying the Auric Dragons and stealing their souls?

[pulsar ocean]

Dog is a sentient straw and all the god essence teleports to noxus so he can munch munch on it

[sinful adder]

Yes, but the process of using the auric soul and gaining its power destroys said soul

[green prairie]

kinda wish that wasn't the case. i wanna see Zeratros again in the calamity postgame in 2040

[sinful adder]

Getting an auric soul from a god would be like trying to un-scramble an egg and then hatch the egg

Getting it from a dead god would be like trying to do that from the poop left over from an eaten egg

[green prairie]

first of all: ew. secondly, could somone absorb whatever powers are left from the corruption/crimson?

[pulsar ocean]

Did you try eating it

[long bloom]

would you eat a hamburger that's been sitting on the sidewalk for 80 years?

[green prairie]

no, but i feel like someone in this universe is desperate enough for god powers

[long bloom]

it ain't worth the effort

[green prairie]

people fought some of the most powerful beings on the planet to claim those powers in the first place, some maniac had to be down for licking infected dirt a lot right?

[long bloom]

yeah if your average guy tried doing that they'd get eaten by a crimera immediately

[zenith geode]

is it called infernal suevite because the terrarian sucks ass at naming things or were there actual meteor impacts in azafure in the long distant past

[green prairie]

there very well could've been meteors considering how messed up azafure was, but it could very well be the Terrarian being stupid

[limpid saddle]

yeah trouble is it's so diluted you would need to fucking eat every block of corruption in the world to get anything tangible

& then, you know

you would die from eating rocks & dirt

[green prairie]

new question: how does the steampunker just casually have a surplus of powder that can cleanse leftover soul energy?

[limpid saddle]

soul-scrubber 9000

[green prairie]

just bring the terraformer to fight Xeroc, simple as that

[limpid saddle]

what?

[limpid saddle]

that's like saying you should rub bleach over someones skin to clean up & get rid of fecal matter inside the body

[green prairie]

hey if it can cleanse the resonant soul stuff in the corruption/crimson, wouldn't it work on them?

[limpid saddle]

trouble is that's a completed stable soul

[raven brook]

I mean

yo ucan check for yourself

[limpid saddle]

not 1 squinbillionth of a soul infused into like 300 grams of dirt

[raven brook]

try using the clentaminator on any of the bosses who are gods

It won't uh

do much

[green prairie]

count your days Nameless Deity of Light

[raven brook]

nervousgulp

[limpid saddle]

Gods hate THIS one simple trick...

& then it's a billy mays oxiclean ad or some shit

[green prairie]

Auric-away

[granite junco]

has there been any more detailed official artwork on calamity characters

and where

[thick slate]

i think all the most updated stuff is in the new lore doc

[long bloom]

i can dump everything in ur dms

[granite junco]

just was wondering cuz a new painting from 1.4.5 update looks similar to calamitas

[long bloom]

i can guarantee it's not

[granite junco]

oh i know just similar

[normal mantle]

What does the primordial light actually do?

[long bloom]

it's a fancy word for sunlight

but you can kill people with it

[normal mantle]

So what did xeroc just like hold a magnifying glass infront of itself and vaporize stuff?

I imagine xeroc is like constantly shining

[long bloom]

their domain lets them control primordial light

and possibly create it

[normal mantle]

So related to wtv the primordial light is

What is the night?? Aside from just being darkness ofc

I’m trying to find where I saw the thing that mentioned them both

[sinful adder]

Primordial light is special magic light, because the sun itself is magic and special

Normal darkness exists but the night might be...

The distortion

The place DoG comes from

[long bloom]

no

bad bestiary entry

[sinful adder]

oh

heh

[green prairie]

i always assumed primordial light was just the yin to Noxus' shadowy yang. it was some all encompassing force and one of the strongest, hence why its previous master was the king of the dragons

[modest elk]

isnt calclone supposed to be crazy? why is she talking to me calmly

[green prairie]

really, really outdated dialogue that's yet to be changed

or she just has a really good filter for people who don't know her too well?

[eager bluff]

you can be crazy without being a feral animal

[green prairie]

aren't they kinda. literally a feral animal?

[eager bluff]

not really no

[green prairie]

i always assumed it was a failed clone so hard that it was barely functional, ig not? (idk im not 100% up to date. i operate on headcanons and assumptions)

[modest elk]

doesnt her yharim item pretty much just say “maybe theres a clone of the azafure torcher in here, I dunno Draedon did something weird”

[green prairie]

he calls it a monster, so im gonna assume they are one

[eager bluff]

its a failed clone but im pretty sure its not feral

[sinful adder]

They are a human that has been sitting in a lab their whole life. They should not know language.

[eager bluff]

thats a line of reasoning you can use yes

and it works

[jaunty wraith]

I wonder what the interaction between calclone and calamitas was like

If cal clone doesnt know language then it would be intresting to see how they interacted

[green prairie]

iirc, she's the one that broke calclone out of failed experiment jail

[jaunty wraith]

Thats like good animated short material

[long bloom]

believing yharim at face value

[green prairie]

okay i know i secondguessed that as soon as i posted it it was too late

[silent warren]

even then Cal Clone's bestiary entry says that nothing human remains in the clone

[sinful adder]

yeah that entry is wrong also

[long bloom]

and the sprite is wrong

[green prairie]

so is the dialogue!

[long bloom]

🎉

[agile matrix]

Calclone is like

a Media's Interpretation of a Mental Hospital Patient

they're still like. Sapient. but i'm not 100% if they're like. All There

[sinful adder]

that kinda makes sense

but still they shouldn't like. Know english

because when did they learn it

[green prairie]

its kinda funny considering the dialogue seems to be totally gone in the new update

[sinful adder]

holy shit third time

[agile matrix]

how does Yharim know of our deeds

like how does the Lore Item exist

[long bloom]

giant telescope

(in the Future™ lore items will be replaced with a seeing stone for communication)

[agile matrix]

i was gonna say fancy rock but that also works

[agile matrix]

wow yea i was on the money

[long bloom]

ggs

[simple tangle]

i wouldnt cite yharim in that

[agile matrix]

citing yharim is like citing chatgpt

YharimGPT generate me a powerful foe
BEEP BEEP BOOP BOOP
GENERATING....
GENERATING....
YOUR FOE IS; Duke Fishron

[limpid saddle]

well yeah the monster is referring to the pod housing the clone

it's a failed clone as in; she did not possess Brimstone Magic upon her creation, otherwise, perfect replica

1:1

[limpid saddle]

go my headcanon of calamitas transferring some of her memories to calclone along with the brimstone accidentally to explain the existence of the constructs

that or draedon just pre-grew her understanding english which doesn't seem that crazy

[fair pelican]

Has Draedon tried to put a god soul into his robots?

[feral skiff]

like a dragon soul?

for various reasons that would not work

[dusk laurel]

no because god souls explode/collapse the moment its removed from a god's body

wait wrong reply

[feral skiff]

these reasons:

1. how would draedon find and kill a god
2. how would he transport the soul to a robot
3. how would he transplant the soul into the robot
4. how would the robot not explode immediately/be able to utilise it

[dusk laurel]

but thats the reason why draedon hasnt tried using god souls in a machine

besides well, yharim trying to destroy the soul before draedon can even get his hands on it during the crusade

post crusade its more feasible but especially now with the exo mechs its pointless for him to consider it

since theyre stronger than every god that isnt named xeroc

[cosmic zenith]

This is a pretty stupid claim in hindsight

Even if she was completely fucked up in the head... that's still human

[mighty zenith]

it could work as yharim's bullshit but not for the bestiary

[craggy sparrow]

Do you guys have some cool head canon lore on fargos mutants in your cal playthroughs

[odd magnet]

Guys what is the devourer of gods

Ive been having an argument with people whether he’s a worm or not

[split mortar]

A completely alien creature from the distortion likely designed by noxus to eat gods and send the god essence to the distortion

It almost certainly has no biological relation to anything from terraria and so i doubt it can be put in any biological categories like worm

Gameplay wise yeah the guys a worm boss tho

[mighty zenith]

the closest we get is that he was called the "nameless serpent" which means he's probably closer biologically to a reptile than a worm

byeah extradimensional thing that cant really be classified as any animal

[pulsar ocean]

it says right there

scourge of the universe

[thick slate]

an asshole

[normal mantle]

So is the night/darkness just evil or smth?

Is there a lore explanation for why bad stuff happens during the night

[eager bluff]

nocturnal

[split mortar]

Moons evil

[normal mantle]

Is it bc moon lord is in there

[split mortar]

No bloodmoons been going on since before auric dragons
Moons like
Just
Evil
For some reason

[raven brook]

Calamity loreheads when they realize that Calclone has supremely more potential for a character than just mindless necromancy monster #51243219

https://tenor.com/view/now-i-get-it-ah-i-see-who-let-him-cook-at-the-computer-gif-1267317427818386189

me everytime i see people say calclone is just a evil glupshitto monster or wtv ...

[pulsar ocean]

is there primordial dark and evil xeroc

[dusk laurel]

this the truth that big lore is trying to hide from you

[leaden bridge]

who care about calclone tbh ngl

[leaden bridge]

yes

hes actually part of noxus and it devoured the martian world soul and corrupted it and then defected from noxus

triangle told us

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

this gif is very useful in this chat specifically ive noticed

[leaden bridge]

no we genuinely do not find calclone to be a compelling character or concept

[raven brook]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[leaden bridge]

caclones existence is top 10 forced fabsol things and any narrative weight it may have had kinda banished with this rewrite

[raven brook]

third time's the charm but alas i have a reputation to uphold

[leaden bridge]

it's not ragebaiting if its our actual opinion

you're technically ragebaiting yourselves

[raven brook]

Thank you tsuki you're a real one for that

[dusk laurel]

🚬

[thick slate]

cigarette

[mighty zenith]

you're right

that just makes it an unpopular opinion

which is not much better

[leaden bridge]

it is drastically better actually

[mighty zenith]

no it just means you're not making up a bad take to make people mad, you just have a bad take

[leaden bridge]

its not a bad take though

just because someone disagrees doesn't make it bad

[mighty zenith]

whatever helps you sleep at night

[leaden bridge]

lmfao

[simple tangle]

REAL

[thick slate]

i wish the terrarian said marvel movie voicelines

[jolly edge]

i love calclone

[thick slate]

shes me

[jolly edge]

thats so cool

[thick slate]

nah im more like crabulon

or smth

[limpid saddle]

it DOES make me want to hurt people it's true

[delicate oak]

(shitpost) why didn't vegeta invade terraria even though it's valuable (i think), is he stupid?

[limpid saddle]

sun too bright

he couldn't see it

[simple tangle]

Like what

[azure tartan]

You want the terrarian to make quippy jokes?

[thick slate]

sees scal
theres TWO of them now
sighh
this gonna be a long night

[azure tartan]

Metroid prime 4

[zenith geode]

post eoc
That big guy musta had his eye on me for a while, huh?

[visual kiln]

tbh i kinda agree

i dont rlly find calclone to be that interesting as an idea as possible

like

completely ignoring execution, bc any idea cna be done rlly well

just the base concept "clone of calamitas made by draedon" doesn't rlly feel interesting to me

i like the direction that caldev wants to go with calclone but i dont rlly care about the base concept if that makes sense

[simple tangle]

Calclone yuri when

[visual kiln]

oh true

[raven brook]

I think it's a concept that has massive missed potential in current cal becasue fabsol just added it because he wanted Hardmode Calamitas but it's got some of the most narrative potential of literally any concept in the mod imo

Far more than. Infected Cyborg Bees or Space Magic Virus

You have a character who was created as a clone of a super powerful individual who is widely disliked or hated by the world who was not given the privilege of having their own identity and who was fundamentally created to exist as nothing more than a Experiment, and then you give them freedom and free will

I think people just say the concept is uninteresting because they don't actually think about it on any deeper level than how it was originally implemented or how it is ingame currently

[worldly spindle]

Wasn’t always like this either, yeah? Calamitas and then Supreme Calamitas

[raven brook]

Calamitas was made a long time ago

Fabsol wanted to move her to be the final boss

[visual kiln]

yea from a story perpsective u can do a ton with calclone

but also

2 things

[raven brook]

but didn't want to get rid of the current hardmode cal fight

so calclone was born

[visual kiln]

if u describe these concepts like this and then claclone like that

ofc calclone seems more interesting

u can do more with infected cyborg bees and magic space virus too

[raven brook]

Yeah but it's mostly because i didn't wanna go in detail with them but

[visual kiln]

and also

[raven brook]

I think calclone has far more potential than both of them regardless

[simple tangle]

If you don't like calclone you should try
AGAIN!

[visual kiln]

calclone is basically imo only interesting from a story potential perspective

[raven brook]

(Sorry tofu

[visual kiln]

from a design and art asnd gameplay perspective its imo not that interesting

[raven brook]

Gameplay could 100% be interesting

design/art imo could also be interesting if you look at it from a character design standpoint

People just think Humans Uninteresting fsr

[worldly spindle]

I actually think they gave calclone a lot more backstory than they needed to. You could’ve justified it as “draedon attempting to replicate calamitas” and leave it at that.

But they specified that Draedon struggled to harness the power of the Brimstone flame and could only create something similar to it. But for some reason, Calamitas freed the clone herself and gave it her power.

I think that’s badass. They just need to elaborate on it a little more.

[raven brook]

Calclone dosen't need to be a Worse Calamitas

if anything

[visual kiln]

its less that and more clones are relatively uninteresting in a game where theres already a couple of things that are clones of something else

[raven brook]

i'd argue she'd work much better if her fight was fundamentally nothing like calamitas

[visual kiln]

i.e.

[raven brook]

Why would she use brimstone magic

[simple tangle]

Yeah, theyre holding hands :)

[visual kiln]

eoc/eow/skeletron vs mech bosses

or esp with calamity

[raven brook]

Fair point but eh i frankly dont really mind these sort of bosses if they're excuted well

[visual kiln]

again im not talking about the execution

im talking from a base concept

[raven brook]

I mean

honestly i think most things r uninteresting if you look at them purely from a base concept with no further thought put into it tbh?

So

[worldly spindle]

When I’m making a Terraria mod and realize I haven’t added a worm boss yet

[visual kiln]

not necessarily

[raven brook]

Like the same way you can dumb down calclone to

[visual kiln]

the moon as a boss fight is inherently a fascinating concept for example

eldritch terror from space is a fascinating concept

[raven brook]

Disagree it's really boring alot of the time

[visual kiln]

clone of calamitas is entirely dependent on if calamitas herself is interesting

[worldly spindle]

I think moon lord is cool :)

[visual kiln]

(she is, but still

[raven brook]

Moon Lord my least favorite vanilla boss 💔

[azure tartan]

Moon lord is ass in vanilla

[raven brook]

I've never fought him anywhere but vanilla and i like basically nothing about him frankly

[visual kiln]

calclone also cannot stand on her own fundamentally as an idea

if u want to add calclone and have her not just be Calamitas then u need another calamitas for her to be a clone of

[raven brook]

Yeah but like

is there. something wrong with that

[worldly spindle]

A being of terrifying cosmic power, fractured and incomplete, but still clinging to to life and using what power it has left to put up one hell of a fight. Makes you wonder how terrifying he’d be if he had all his power.

[raven brook]

Have u watched season 2 of infinity train

[visual kiln]

not necessarily

[raven brook]

the main character of that season is a clone of the protagonist of season 1

[visual kiln]

its subjective

[raven brook]

and its widely considered the best season in the show by most

[visual kiln]

just subjectively i dont rlly think calclone is that interesting compared to other things in cal

[raven brook]

Agree to disagree then

[visual kiln]

sure

meow

[simple tangle]

Go my moon png

Vanilla ML is sooo ass

[visual kiln]

plip

[raven brook]

I think she's got one of the most interesting concepts that is massively held back by shitty implementation and i frankly don't really care much about whether her base concept is interesting or not, because its not the barebones base concept that is being idealized here regardless

[pulsar ocean]

would yharim treat cal clone like his daughter if she was a walking nuke 2

[raven brook]

(Triangle calcone artificer with a big robot idea btw )

(You don't have to make her fight identical or even similar in any way to scal, if anything itd be way more fitting if she was entirely different and similarities were few and far between, both from a gmaeplay and narrative standpoint)

Like

[visual kiln]

this is an interesting idea yea

[raven brook]

That's what i mean

calclone is only bland if you look at it from a barebones baseline like it is rn :p

If you say calclone can't be interesting from a gameplay standpoint its bc u havent thought abt her gameplay beyond calamitas but worse

She dosen't need to be the Skeletron to Calamitas's Skeletron Prime, she can do her own thing

[visual kiln]

meow

[young socket]

shocking truth: unpolished concepts appear bland due to lack of polish

[visual kiln]

my issue was just

[visual kiln]

this tbh

not finding calclone interesting isnt a bad take when finding something interesting is fundamentally subjective

i agree that calclone is interesting, i said that i like the direction caldev wants to take with her

i just still dont find her more interesting comparatively to the rest of calamity

[worldly spindle]

Opinion registered. Cheese, wipe them from the face of this server.

[raven brook]

That's fair i just think saying the baseline concept is inherently uninteresting like u were saying is wrong imo and kinda like, redudant

[raven brook]

nooo

thats my wife...

[visual kiln]

valid i think

[raven brook]

:3

[visual kiln]

throws lemons at u

pelts u with acorns

[thick slate]

ripe tomato

[scenic olive]

supreme calculus

[leaden bridge]

The thing about calclone is that there's an infinitely more interesting thematic and narrative and gameplay concept if you just make her brothers actual characters and make a brothers fight

[split mortar]

I dont see the vision atm so may you elaborate

[leaden bridge]

Calamitas has brothers and she's always had brothers and they've never been actual characters but excuses for her fight to be twins but with an extra eye and we think it would be much better to actually make them characters and make calclone instead a calamitas brothers fight than it is to do calclone

[simple tangle]

I disagree

[raven brook]

Those are kind of entirely separate things

[leaden bridge]

no not really

[raven brook]

Yeah Brothers definitely could use more content and be fleshed out more as Characters but you don't need to replace Calclone with them to do that nor do they really fill a similar story beat

Those two concepts are not mutually exclusive

[leaden bridge]

clone doesn't fill any story beat but foreshadowing the existence and fight of calamitas

her brothers can do that

[raven brook]

Yeah because that's definitely everything you can do with a character who's a literal Clone of someone else

Specially basically the clone of Nuclear Bomb who killed thousands of people

[leaden bridge]

we also never said they were exclusive, but if you want something to be in clone's spot right now her brothers are better

you can do a lot of things with a lot of things

what the writers can or can't theoretically do with clone isn't really an argument for or against any other concept

[long bloom]

???

[raven brook]

Incomprehensible user

[leaden bridge]

how is that confusing 😭

[agile matrix]

i still do personally agree that calclone should like
fundamentally not understand concepts but rather their execution in the real world

[long bloom]

i think calclone being better in the future is actually an argument for her existing

[agile matrix]

like instead of knowing what a brother is, they instead just know of them as people who stay around them and protect them

[split mortar]

This argument feels nothingburger to me because what clone is rn is probably barely comparable at all to what they will be

[long bloom]

[agile matrix]

calclone is honestly a pretty Cool Beans Character

their current execution is Bad yes but like

[leaden bridge]

you could also replace her with her brothers and that would also be better in the future? it's a non argument

we're not arguing about theoretical future calclone but calclone as it is now

[long bloom]

no not really

[raven brook]

nobody caresss

[long bloom]

there's a lot less potential with just brothers

[raven brook]

stop being annoyinggg

sorry i let the demons out

[leaden bridge]

well u do youre participating

[raven brook]

shut up mannn

[leaden bridge]

me when i lie

[long bloom]

also why would the brothers exist if clone didn't

[agile matrix]

i do really think that future calclone should lean more into "This is a Biotech Clone of Calamitas"

[raven brook]

you just go in this chat all the time to be intentionally contrarian and abrasive ur so annoyingggg

[leaden bridge]

u cant do oh well look at all the potential and then go erm this doesnt have potential

[agile matrix]

like more Electricity

[long bloom]

where would they comr from

[agile matrix]

and Their Music... was Electric.

[long bloom]

that's. precisely what you're doing

[agile matrix]

angered spirits fr ong no carp

[raven brook]

Nobody here is talking about the current fightttt

[leaden bridge]

dude clone exists because draedon wanted a furnace writing ana excuse for their existence is the least of our troubles right now

[raven brook]

We all know its shitttt

[agile matrix]

?????????????????????????

fuckin what???????????????????????????????????????????

[real glen]

neko stop making lore people brainrot 😭

[agile matrix]

draedon made clone to try and replicate the pure and impossibly powerful magic of the Witch

[raven brook]

Go be pretentious somewhere elseeee im losing ittt

ok i lost it enough back to my hole

[leaden bridge]

thats literally the reason clone exists mmm yes today i will make a clone of the witch to see if i can have her flames

[agile matrix]

this is 0/10 bait

this has to be ragebait no one is this stupid

[agile matrix]

do you

not

realize

how monumental that would be????????????

imagine for a second that you could use the entire scal bossfight

but as a weapona

and against an army

and Not in a box

[leaden bridge]

you can do that technically

[split mortar]

Yes and such a lack of an identity for a whole ass person could like be interesting to explore

[agile matrix]

like do you realize how fucking devastating that would be on the foes

[raven brook]

infinity train season 2 guys

great show

[long bloom]

no

[agile matrix]

she Obliterated like

[long bloom]

not without a clone

[raven brook]

has a main character who's a clone and explores themes of lack of identity

[agile matrix]

2 Whole Cities

[raven brook]

cool stuff really

[leaden bridge]

okay? we still think making her brothers actual characters would be better

[agile matrix]

they

they dont

need to

be

[leaden bridge]

nothing needs to be anything

[raven brook]

Yeah you can make them actual characters without doing anyhting to calclone

[mighty zenith]

i need to kill somebody

[long bloom]

that's not mutually exclusive with clone being a better character

[agile matrix]

abyssal theorem

nothing exists at all, so why presume it does

bad mindset

[leaden bridge]

so why are you arguing on those grounds

[long bloom]

whar

[agile matrix]

the brothers were mercs who killed people and probably taught calamitas how to do basic combat (before That Azafure Incident)

[visual kiln]

hiii chat

whats beoing argued about

[raven brook]

hi azzy im losing

im losing itt

[visual kiln]

oh

[long bloom]

calclone

[visual kiln]

meow

[agile matrix]

it would be Cool to see them have more character, but of all the characters in the mod brothers calamity are kinda fine as is

[simple tangle]

Didnt Yharim literally ask Draedon to make CalClone after she left but he was busy and later he came back to do it just to see if it was feasible

[long bloom]

yeah

[visual kiln]

my opinion of calclone is i think calclone is just less interesting than the other things in cal tbh

[agile matrix]

like if you asked "which character would you wish had more lore" i would probably not say "Brothers Calamity" before like

[visual kiln]

if thats what the convo is still about

[agile matrix]

Yharon

or the Dragons

[visual kiln]

uh

[agile matrix]

or Polterghast

or Draedon

[long bloom]

no more draedon lore 💔

[agile matrix]

no dude i need more lore

[raven brook]

Draedon has enough lore i think

[green prairie]

honestly i wanna know more about what Zeratros was like before they got screwed over

[raven brook]

He's like the most developed character in the mod

And also like

Dragons and Yharon already are a major point of focus in the story

[mighty zenith]

draedon jr.

[agile matrix]

he's the most developed but i would like more :)

[simple tangle]

Tbh I thini Draedon doesnt need more spotlight than everyone else

[mighty zenith]

son of draedon and ummmm

[raven brook]

There's nothing wrong with wanting lore for characters that don't have much

aka Brothers

[agile matrix]

i mean yea

[long bloom]

yharim

[agile matrix]

but thats not really my point is it

my point is that Brothers Calamity are like, lorewise, as is

fine

for how minimal of Calamitas we see (outside of the past stuff) their current lore is acceptable

not incredible but acceptabel

[green prairie]

i wish we got to hear her thoughts on things like with Yharim and Draedon

[raven brook]

her thoughts on things like with Yharim

https://tenor.com/view/am-am-ihnmaims-ihnmaims-allied-mastercomputer-hate-gif-3792826578129949285

[agile matrix]

okay but they have a point

[green prairie]

did i word something wrong-

[visual kiln]

i dont think u read what they said right

[agile matrix]

yharim, while Lying Through His Visor, is still giving his Point

sure its skewed and Very Biased

[visual kiln]

i dont think snailrock did either

[agile matrix]

but we do hear his opinion

[split mortar]

She tries killing us because of her thoughts on yharim

[visual kiln]

i dont think melon gun did either

[mighty zenith]

not thought ON yharim but her thoughts like yharim and draedon

[visual kiln]

yeah

[split mortar]

True

[green prairie]

i mean we get to hear so much about what draedon and yharim think about the world and what goes on in it, meanwhile we really only get to hear what calamitas says about yharim. we never really hear her thoughts directly on things

[visual kiln]

ur all goobers i love u

[agile matrix]

Calamitas we know minimal other than

yharims a fool (obvious)
we seemed too weak (proven wrong)
The Past Stuff (lore)

[visual kiln]

i give u acorns

[agile matrix]

yea

[long bloom]

yay

[agile matrix]

man i wanna talk to the God of Knowledge or something

some ethereal fuckin guy who's 100% objective

[split mortar]

Fair enough
She gonna get a dialogue tree eventually so that prob gonna be good on that

[long bloom]

bestiary writer

[agile matrix]

not Draedon, which is close

[agile matrix]

yea an inlore explanation of the bestiary

[leaden bridge]

If there was a god of knowledge they'd be kinda stupid

[simple tangle]

I would rather we get brothers lore only as it pertains to Calamitas, cuz she needs a lot of development I feel

[agile matrix]

im gonna throw you into helfire, without the yharon egg

[visual kiln]

WAIYT TRUE

[leaden bridge]

They just know everything doesn't mean they like get it

[green prairie]

i like to imagine the guide writes it. that explains nothing but still

[visual kiln]

knowledge != wisdom

[leaden bridge]

Also would they even actually know everything

[agile matrix]

i mean in my minds eye

i see em kinda as Omnipresent but not Omnipotent

[real glen]

ngl I actually want to see calclone being gone from existence but that would make "a lot of people" angry

[leaden bridge]

we dont think fundamental knowledge of the entirety of the world fits inside the world soul

[agile matrix]

they can pick up on very small things but cannot actually act majorly upon them to change

[agile matrix]

light did

being a bit hungry also did

[leaden bridge]

its not really light

its like, the light, from the sun

[agile matrix]

how'd you fit that into a planet

planet's soul*

[leaden bridge]

its not like the concept of a photon

well the sun is part of the planet

because it orbits around it

[split mortar]

@ ggg

[agile matrix]

???

[visual kiln]

ig that'd depend on if like

[leaden bridge]

terraria sun orbits around terraria

so the planet came first

[agile matrix]

sun is part of planet
planet orbits around sun
not connected directly

[visual kiln]

the world knows itself

[leaden bridge]

pklanet does not orbit around sun

[agile matrix]

like they're not. Glued.

[leaden bridge]

the sun orbits around the planet

[split mortar]

Sun orbits the planet actually

[agile matrix]

source?

[split mortar]

Dev statements

[leaden bridge]

cei in this channel 6 months ago

or so

[agile matrix]

Hm.

[visual kiln]

tbh

[agile matrix]

not a fan of Dev Statements being treated as fact

[visual kiln]

i still dont think the sun orbiting the world would make it part of the world

otherwise

[split mortar]

Its all we have on this topic

[visual kiln]

wheres the moon soul

[leaden bridge]

if we cant treat dev statements as fact calamity has like no lore

[visual kiln]

the moon auric soul

[real glen]

The sun orbits blackhole of Milky Way

[green prairie]

fovos, i guess?

[agile matrix]

the In Game Lore Items:

[long bloom]

dragon of night

[agile matrix]

items with Tooltips and Words

[leaden bridge]

well not literally, but it means the sun came after the planet

[visual kiln]

night isnt connected to the moon

[long bloom]

kinda is

[leaden bridge]

whats in game is a microcosm of the totality of known calamity lore if you would remember

[visual kiln]

the moon can appear in daytime

[agile matrix]

Solar Eclipses exist

[leaden bridge]

this channel would be kinda limping if people didn't treat dev statements as facts

[long bloom]

hence kinda

[visual kiln]

night would exist without the moon

the moon would exist without night

[agile matrix]

the moon and the sun can infact cross paths perfectly for about one day

[visual kiln]

they share proximity but they arent the same thing

[agile matrix]

or you can use a rock to force it

[long bloom]

well light can exist without the sun

[leaden bridge]

if you think about it the planet probably created the sun through the world soul tbh

[long bloom]

so this is a non argument

[leaden bridge]

yeah but its not primordial light

[visual kiln]

barely

[split mortar]

I mean
Not directly
But
As with gluttony to slime domains a purely logical look at things is not fully accurate when it comes to domains

[agile matrix]

domains and dragons are like

the Concept of the Latter

[visual kiln]

its like saying liquid water can exist without earth

yeah sure

[agile matrix]

like Gluttony -> Slime

[visual kiln]

the oceans r still gone

meo

[agile matrix]

the dragon of Water could turn into the god of Plentitude if the person fit

[split mortar]

^

[visual kiln]

i think it'd be cool if the sun were actually once part of the world tbh

im rlly fond of that interpretation

[visual kiln]

thats valid

[agile matrix]

Dragon of Riches turning into the God of Greed

[leaden bridge]

gluttony is like very human conceptual it kinda makes sense it's a domain that fits in the world soul

[visual kiln]

tho still

gluttony and slime are both earthly

[agile matrix]

where did the god of sacrifice come from

like dragonwise

[long bloom]

death

[agile matrix]

yea that checks out

[split mortar]

And the light from the sun is present on half the planet

[agile matrix]

silva? what dragon

[visual kiln]

the sun itself isnt

[green prairie]

life or nature i assume?

[visual kiln]

is the flame of a flamethrower part of the flamethrower

[leaden bridge]

like there's a dragon who explicitly got its domain from a human exclusive concept so like, it can divide in funs ways we guess

[visual kiln]

if u have a flashlight

[long bloom]

life

[split mortar]

Life dragon

[visual kiln]

is the light it emits part of it

[leaden bridge]

no

[agile matrix]

war likely came from the dragon of victory? if faith -> dogma

[leaden bridge]

dragon of victory sounds pretty silly what

is that real

[real glen]

now tell that to orios, I didnt made that

[agile matrix]

the Goddess of Victory (Nike) existed and was considered like

[green prairie]

kyurem?

[agile matrix]

maybe some of the most important

[split mortar]

We aint pokemon

[leaden bridge]

do you want your lore to be pokemon

[agile matrix]

why is agnus on here twice

[green prairie]

i like pokemon lore leave me alone..

[leaden bridge]

yeah but dragon of victory, that's like, like the dragons are all pretty

[agile matrix]

?

[long bloom]

different domains

[random mulch]

their names got revealed?

[agile matrix]

when he got rezzed he got a diff domain?

[leaden bridge]

like dragon's domain r like, like wdk victory is very out there for a dragon's domain

[long bloom]

they're proposed names
so no different than raelvanna and zaelithar

[agile matrix]

Dragon of Light

[long bloom]

sacrifice -> blood

[random mulch]

aight 👍

[agile matrix]

Dragon of Death

like these are all very General

(Intentionally.)

if Faith goes into Dogma, then Victory could easily go into War

[leaden bridge]

yeah but victory is not a concept like light or death or life or even faith

[agile matrix]

it

it literally is.

[long bloom]

yeah what

[agile matrix]

it fundamentally is

the concept of victory is so multifaceted that calling it one thing would be brash

[leaden bridge]

we're not talking about how general it might be

[agile matrix]

shallow victory
hollow victory
bittersweet victory
combat victory
social victory

[split mortar]

I think victory is a lame domain so i disagree with it being what war ate

[leaden bridge]

life and death are concepts relating to like, real actual states of life

[agile matrix]

how is that a lame domain

[leaden bridge]

victory is like, it's victory

winning things

thats such an out there concept for it to be a dragon's domain

[visual kiln]

sacrifice is a domain

[split mortar]

Idk i just dont fuck with it

[visual kiln]

tho

yea valid

[agile matrix]

Sacrifice came from Death

[leaden bridge]

sacrifice is a god's domain

[visual kiln]

mhm

[leaden bridge]

gods can have more fucked domains

[agile matrix]

yea im referring to the Dragon

Dragon of Victory, not god

the God would be War

[tame pewter]

AREEEES

[visual kiln]

TRUE?

[leaden bridge]

yeah, a dragon you'd think would have a more, more uhhh, "real" thing as a domain wdk how to explain it

[tame pewter]

DESTROY MY ENEMIES, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[leaden bridge]

like, victory is a pretty strange concept for it to be like, fragment magic of the world

[visual kiln]

victory is not very physical

[agile matrix]

Faith???????????????

[visual kiln]

faith is an emotion

or a state of mind

[agile matrix]

Faith is as unphysical as Victory is

[visual kiln]

nope

faith is a state of

[agile matrix]

Yes??????????????????????????????????

[visual kiln]

i mean actually

[leaden bridge]

yeah but faith is like, a very concrete thing

[agile matrix]

i dont wanna sound like

rude

[visual kiln]

the feeling of victory

could be a domain

[agile matrix]

no it is not what?????????????

[leaden bridge]

yeah it is

[long bloom]

everything is subjective

[tame pewter]

give this person a copy of Hegel I think

[leaden bridge]

faith is the belief on things, right

as you said victory is like pretty broad

}its a pretty broad concept

[agile matrix]

Faith to God and Faith to A Lover are

Cosmically Different

[leaden bridge]

that's not, that's not at all what's being talked about at the moment

[agile matrix]

putting your trust in a Bank vs putting your trust in your Teacher from School are Different

Faith is not at All Concrete, as Victory is Not Concrete

[split mortar]

The way i perceive dragon domains is that they have to represent something prominent on the planet
Like the suns light or life and death or storms and tides
And with dragons and stuff existing faith probably
But unlike faith i dont see victory to be as prominent then these
I think thats why i dont fuck with it

[leaden bridge]

we're not really making our point correctly because, it's hard to explain

[long bloom]

yes it is

[agile matrix]

is victory not a prominent thing?

[leaden bridge]

not really?

[agile matrix]

like yea i get your idea

[split mortar]

Reading comprehension devil strikes again

[agile matrix]

no im reading it

[split mortar]

Not as prominent

[visual kiln]

i have insane ideas for how domains work tbh

[agile matrix]

dragons are the earth at the Start, gods is the earth after being Used

[leaden bridge]

like victory is the act of triumphing over something, it is universal but as a concept it feels pretty niche

[long bloom]

i don't like the idea of a victory dragon either but like
it'd still make just as much sense as anything else

[agile matrix]

but victory and war parallel each other so well in this part

i mean once the actual dragon is told i'll probably rock withi t

since most times calamity is good with their Dragons

[leaden bridge]

for it to be a dragon's domain feels pretty weird, even faith and gluttony are like, well one is Religion and the other Excess through Consumption

victory doesn't feel the Same, as those

[split mortar]

Still means its prominent i just consider it less prominent to the planet then like people having faith or natural disasters

[leaden bridge]

dragon of winning

[split mortar]

Yeah

[leaden bridge]

call it vibes based but we're afraid its pretty true and real wdk

[agile matrix]

what is wdk

[leaden bridge]

we don't know

[agile matrix]

ah

[leaden bridge]

just call it dragon of conquest

[agile matrix]

i

[leaden bridge]

suddenly itd be fine

[agile matrix]

neko.

Neko.

Neko Enderpikmin Endlessvoid

[leaden bridge]

yes, yes

specific words still do matter

[leaden bridge]

.

[agile matrix]

i dont like victory as it does not seem as concrete

[leaden bridge]

yeah conquest is very much more concrete as a domain

[agile matrix]

proposes a more specific form of Victory.

[long bloom]

no it is not

[agile matrix]

if Conquest was the Domain of the god

[long bloom]

it's more specific, not more concrete

[agile matrix]

i would Support it.

[leaden bridge]

we have never said our problem with victory is that it's not concrete?

[agile matrix]

but this is for the Dragon

[leaden bridge]

if anything its that its too floaty

[agile matrix]

which is meant to be a broad topic

[leaden bridge]

dude

[agile matrix]

the

[leaden bridge]

there's already a sin dragon

[agile matrix]

fucking

im gonna blow a gasket

im gonna actually explode

you are speaking in Circles.

[leaden bridge]

gluttony is not more broad than conquest

lets be real

[agile matrix]

Gluttony can be

Consumption
Being Hungry
Overuse

if the god of war was instead the god of

Conquest

[leaden bridge]

Okay let's play the concreteness game

[agile matrix]

i would support that

[leaden bridge]

storms

[agile matrix]

but it is the god of

War

[agile matrix]

design is based on clouds, generalistic of Weather

[leaden bridge]

flame, there's like, fire is a lot of things but its also one thing,

yeah it's the god of weather weather is one thing

[tame pewter]

isn't famine better to describe being hungry though

[agile matrix]

Burning Passion, Fire, Burning People Down

[leaden bridge]

its not like a broad concept

[long bloom]

no????????

there's so many different components

[agile matrix]

neko you gotta be dumb as rocks im so sorry

[leaden bridge]

yeah? weahter is weather, multiple kinds of it

[agile matrix]

i do not want to be rude but either you're speaking incomprehensibly or are just

[leaden bridge]

but it's one thing like its one single concept

[agile matrix]

not understanding the discussion

[simple tangle]

I agree dragons r pretty :3

[agile matrix]

Storms, given they are Based On Clouds

is Likely About The Storms

like Rain. Or Thunder. Or Lightning.

[leaden bridge]

if anything he should be the dragon of weather

broader than "storms"

plenty of weather that isn't stormy

[long bloom]

weather is

• wind
• clouds
• evaporation
• altitude
• temperature
• geographical location

and more

[tame pewter]

brah

[long bloom]

nice

[agile matrix]

id support this

Life could likely be the Dragon of Nature but we get too generalistic

i do support generalism

but not to an incredible point

(Nature is so many things i dont think they'd want that)

[leaden bridge]

still point being Victory is a very strange domain for a dragon to have, sure, it's an universal general concept but it doesn't really fit the vibe check of the "natural" point all dragon domains kinda have

sure victory to war is sound logic but, frankly the least of the concerns here

[agile matrix]

i feel like a lot of things Pre-Humans also achieved minimal Victories

[tame pewter]

victory to whom anyways isn't it more based on perspectives on who wins in a history or who loses

[leaden bridge]

also yeah

[agile matrix]

just. the concept of Victory. Overall

[young socket]

mr balls

[leaden bridge]

"the act of defeating an opponent" is like,

[split mortar]

Nature elemental exists and seems to just
Have a life domain as well
So life and nature in calamity might be the same

[agile matrix]

that makes sense

[leaden bridge]

requires there to Be an opponent and for something to be a Defeat, that's kind of weird

[agile matrix]

that is not what victory is

that is what war is

that is what Battles are

[leaden bridge]

we wouldn't call prey surviving a predator a defeat

that is what victory is

like literally

oxford

[agile matrix]

battling involves a winner and a loser

[tame pewter]

same when we talk about "victories" in history without not acknowledging other sides to the story, especially as we see language is a tool for media manipula

[agile matrix]

victory is Any Success Whatsoever, if it Benefits a Side

like "Found a nickel? Victory for your wallet!"

[split mortar]

That feels
A bit too vague for me

[leaden bridge]

merriam webster "Overcoming of an enemy or antagonist"
"Achievement of mastery or success in a struggle or endeavor"
"Winning"
"Success achived in personal combat"