lore-discussion

[raven brook]

fuck you

literally evilest bastard in the mod

jane wants to Kill Everyone

[worldly spindle]

Prov is obviously the Queen of Dicks™ yeah

[raven brook]

I like to think gloomborf was kind of an asshole but not to the like extremely villainous levels of some other guys in the story

Something along the lines of that yeah 😭

[worldly spindle]

It’s interesting how she was one of the few left for us to slaughter

[raven brook]

Like king dedede before he got his Redemption Arc ™

[raven brook]

She seemingly could just Vanish into thin air which led yharim to having a very hard time killing her

But she gets pissy that we killed her Guardians and thus refuses to run away

Which leads ot her Dying

[icy veldt]

I can fix her!

[azure tartan]

❌

[raven brook]

yeah, Jane Kill Everyone actually cares about her guardians since they were the adventuring party that slew Zaelitahr with her
That's the funny part, she's a hypocrite

[young socket]

there is nothing that suggests the dragon's mind influences a god after they absorbed the dragon's soul

[raven brook]

She thinks life is inherently miserable and the only way to make a perfect world is getting rid of it

So that no suffering happens

[worldly spindle]

Yharim couldn’t slay the one god that actually aligned with his prejudice so he took it out on everyone else

[raven brook]

Yet she gets pissed when you kil her gaurdians

[worldly spindle]

Amazing

[raven brook]

There likely are other gods still alive out there that we just never meet

but most of them are dead by now yeah

[icy veldt]

Considering the state of the world after Yharim's crusade, she's not really wrong

[raven brook]

Yharim probably took out like (Not a official number just a guess) 80-90% of em

[worldly spindle]

Prov is a Persona boss

[pulsar ocean]

why did slime god became slime god instead of slop god after eating gloomborf

[worldly spindle]

SLOP GOD

😭

[zenith geode]

imperfect ascension and related domain

[icy veldt]

Big Sloppa???

[zenith geode]

slimes are quite gluttonous

[azure tartan]

Fat

[pulsar ocean]

gluttony and slop

[icy veldt]

They are also edible

[azure tartan]

Yum

[worldly spindle]

That’s true, but it’s still interesting to think about

[raven brook]

Out of the ones we actually meet ingame there's uh

[abstract hedge]

So she's a redditor?

[young socket]

yea shes like an edgy 13 year old or whatever

[raven brook]

Slime God, Evil2, Providence, Ravager, Silva, Xeroc

And 4 of those end up dead by the end

[worldly spindle]

Say a hero goes on a quest to kill the Evil Dragon™ and succeeds. You accomplish your goal of saving whatever civilization you were trying to save. That’s what heroes do.
But now you’re presented with their auric soul.

Like, should you even?

[raven brook]

I mean, if you don't, someone else probably will

Would be better if it goes to someone that dosen't plan to do evil shit with it yk

[abstract hedge]

Either you get it or someone else does.

Also it depends on if you know the ritual or not.

[worldly spindle]

True…

[raven brook]

A "power corrupts" situation could definitely happen but i think its more of a matter of the actual individual

[zenith geode]

do you take the soul to gain an ultimate power or do you leave it there and risk genocide jeffrey taking it for himself

[raven brook]

GENOCIDE JEFFREY 🔥

[young socket]

i mean theres also the third option which is no one absorbs their soul and now u have an evil dragon running around again

[raven brook]

That would require yharon to do his stuff wouldnt it

He'd have to somehow find the auric soul

[young socket]

well yea

[worldly spindle]

Didn’t even think about how someone else could claim the soul if you don’t

[raven brook]

I feel like by the time yharon manages to somehow find it someone else wouldve already absorbed it or sm

[fair pelican]

Only 130? I thought he could live for like, hundreds of years

[abstract hedge]

Yeah if a dragon is slain but no god appears people who know the ritual are gonna be quite interested.

[abstract hedge]

He's just a human, ridiculously strong and attuned to a dragon but he's still just a guy.

[raven brook]

His lifespan is extended somewhat from the normal human lifespan but he is still a normal human, biologically speaking

Part of his Conflict rn is that he realized

[icy veldt]

MY NAME'S! NOT! JEFF!!!

[zenith geode]

my name not jeff

[raven brook]

"oh shit im gonna die in a few years and i dont think thats enough time for me to finish the killing all gods thing"

[zenith geode]

getting pissed at my name not jeff vine compilation

[mighty zenith]

will you absorb the auric soul or double it and pass it onto the next person

[young socket]

DOUBLE IT AND PASS IT ONTO THE NEXT PERSON

[raven brook]

notably because of xeroc too

[worldly spindle]

So the only truly evil gods are the ones who go out of their way to kill a dragon and claim their soul. For the funny.

[young socket]

WE MAKING A DRAGONBANE

[raven brook]

Well tbf not necessarily, it depends alot on the context

[fair pelican]

I wonder what Yharon thinks of that. Will Yharon sacrifice himself to make Yharim a god?

And we’ll have a secret phase on getfixedboy that yharim is a god

[mighty zenith]

and 2 of these already died once

[raven brook]

No

[mighty zenith]

3 technically

[zenith geode]

both yharim and yharon hate gods they committed genocide against gods

[raven brook]

Yharon would never do that nor would Yharim ever want that

[mighty zenith]

yharim becoming a god goes against his entire life

[raven brook]

That is fundamentally going against the entire core of their characters

[abstract hedge]

There's plenty of valid (or even outright evil) reasons one could kill a dragon, such as wanting power, trying to protect others from an evil dragon, or trying to prevent others you don't like from getting the soul.

[zenith geode]

yharon was destined to be killed and absorbed by yharim neither of them would ever do this

[raven brook]

Yharim becoming a god is him saying that his entire life didnt matter

[zenith geode]

well destined by dogma

[mighty zenith]

its a case of coolness vs actual good writing lol

[raven brook]

That he spent like 110 something years twiddling his thumbs and killing people for like no reason

^

[abstract hedge]

That'd go against literally everything Yharim stands for and he would never once do that. His entire motivation is because he was forced towards being a god but didn't want to.

[raven brook]

It's hype moments and aura that ruin the entire writing after the initial hype moments and aura

[fair pelican]

Yharon will let Yharim die without finishing the hunt for the gods? Isn’t the whole thing that Yharon is manipulating Yharim into doing all that?

Like a mastermind villain?

[mighty zenith]

you dont spend a century killing all gods to avenge dragons and then kill the last dragon to become a god because of one guy

[raven brook]

No lol

[abstract hedge]

Yharon isn't manipulating Yharim.

[mighty zenith]

yharon wasnt using yharim like a puppet

[raven brook]

Also why would Yharon let himself die for that

[abstract hedge]

They're literally best friends and they've been greatest allies the entire time.

[fair pelican]

Isn’t getfixedboy non canon seed anyways? It’s a hype moment that would be non canon

[fair pelican]

How he’s not?

[raven brook]

Yharon was the one that told Yharim that Gods Bad initially

[mighty zenith]

yharon literally dies protecting yharim

[worldly spindle]

To be fair, Yharim’s soul has been so unbelievably tainted by decades of war. His crusade was never righteous to begin with.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he ends up taking Yharon’s soul in his eventual fight. I wouldn’t put hypocrisy past him at all. He has nothing left.

[raven brook]

But that dosen't mean he's like controlling him like a puppet

[mighty zenith]

thats what he sings about

[raven brook]

They both just share the same set of beliefs

[mighty zenith]

if he was a mastermind who didnt care about yharim he wouldnt try hunting us down before we could reach yharim

[fair pelican]

This
(I can’t react with emojis)

[mighty zenith]

he'd try to save his own ass

[pulsar ocean]

Wouldn’t really be a
Reign of yharim

[raven brook]

Even now, Yharim is depressed because he can't finish his crusade

And Yharon is still his best friend

He would rather die than to ever do that

[mighty zenith]

they deserve each other basically

[worldly spindle]

I guess we’ll see

[mighty zenith]

two murderous, stubborn bastards

[fair pelican]

I thought Yharim was depressed that he ruined the entire biosphere of the world by killing the gods

[raven brook]

It's not really a we'll see moment, devs confirmed it ain't happening

[young socket]

he doesnt give two shits about that

[raven brook]

biosphere?? :sob

Also yeah

In the lore whispers

he actively incentivizes you to Kill Gods

he still very much wants to kill them all

[fair pelican]

Well, nature, civilization, and all that

[raven brook]

He does not regret it

[mighty zenith]

he blames the evil biomes on the gods pretty much

[raven brook]

He is far too delusional to even understand that killing all gods is not a good thing actually

[fair pelican]

But he recognizes he didn’t dispose of them properly

[raven brook]

He can acnowledge some of his wrongdoigns

[young socket]

the only things he regrets is doing stuff that impeded the progress of the crusade

[zenith geode]

he only kinda regrets a few things but the crusade is not one of those

[raven brook]

Except that was intentional

[mighty zenith]

like he just says he was careless but he also uses it as a way of saying 'look! look! gods are fucked up and evil inside this is what they do after they DIE'

[worldly spindle]

I see

[raven brook]

Look at the Hallow

He contained all of it in WoF

But evil biomes? He left a little behind

Why would he do that

[young socket]

mainly firing or leaving behind allies that were working for him

[raven brook]

Because the Evil Gore Horror Disease biomes are actually a very good way to propagandize people into the belief gods are all evil :p

[worldly spindle]

So he considers his crusade something that still needs to be finished, and thus has no reason to abandon his philosophy

[fair pelican]

Yeah but WoF also stops crimson and corruption from spreading to the entire world until nothing is left

[raven brook]

Yeah so why didnt he contain all of them in there

[mighty zenith]

no, WoF just frees more of the crimson and corruption

[young socket]

and i feel like it should be emphasises that yharim saw them as allies, not friends, because thats what pretty much most people were to him

[raven brook]

A really good way that people put it in here at one point, idrm who

Yharim started the crusade at his like, 20s? 30s?

He's like, 130 now

[fair pelican]

Then there was an entire continent worth of corruption and crimson in WoF?

[raven brook]

100 or more years of his life were Crusade

[mighty zenith]

not that big

[raven brook]

Yharim's entire existence is the crusade

[mighty zenith]

but clearly a lot

judging by the strip that is created

[raven brook]

To the point that he literally cannot see the possibility of the crusade being itself a bad thing

Because admitting that would be like acnowledging his entire existence is pointless

[mighty zenith]

an entire continent would be the entire map + background

[raven brook]

He would rather die than to admit that

Knowing that you'll die in a few years

[fair pelican]

It doesn’t stop in game unless you actively block it with artifical blocks

So unless it spreads (which would make more sense) it must be an entire continent

[fair pelican]

Which is what happens when you let evil biomes run free in your world

[mighty zenith]

yeah but that doesnt happen automatically

[raven brook]

Would you rather die atleast content with what you've accomplished in the past, or would you rather die acnowledging you lead a life that helped absolutely no one and that your entire existence up until now was pointless

[mighty zenith]

the biomes arent very big when you start the game because they spread slowly

[young socket]

ok but thats like saying a mycelium network is continent sized because it could be continent sized

😭

[zenith geode]

it has the potential to cover the heartlands but it'd take quite a long time

[fair pelican]

Are there other gods left beyond the ones we see or hear about in game?

[raven brook]

Also what r you two even talking about

[mighty zenith]

yeah this

it can POTENTIALLY spread to that point

potential biome idk

[zenith geode]

there's a bit of god remains trapped in wof but not enough to instantly cover the heartlands

[raven brook]

The point is that Yharim left behind a small strip of crimson/corruption intentionally when he could've fully contained all of it like he did with the hallow

[fair pelican]

Because if not Yharim almost completed the crusade. You finish up the rest, and unless he eats Yharon’s soul he won’t ever reach Xeroc in life

[zenith geode]

probably enough to eat up a city

[raven brook]

But he didn't because the evil biomes are good propaganda for his ideology

[zenith geode]

but not cover the heartlands

[mighty zenith]

he hasnt finished his crusade, thats the point

you can argue he's not even close

[raven brook]

Ok but what's the point of reaching xeroc if you had to kill your best friend for it and the guy who you literally are doing the crusade For

[mighty zenith]

because xeroc can completely stomp him

[pulsar ocean]

How much hotdogs could gloomborf eat in a row

[raven brook]

Like

[mighty zenith]

and silva is immortal

[raven brook]

At that point her's just fighting xeroc ofr literally no reason while also admitting 100 years of his life were useless

[fair pelican]

I asked if the gods were gone except the ones we hear about in game

[mighty zenith]

theres probably some out there

we just dont meet them or hear about them

the world is big

[zenith geode]

tyrian is status unknown iirc

[fair pelican]

Because if yes, then, Xeroc is the only one left

[raven brook]

There's likely more out in the world that we just never see since we're only in one continent but yharim killed most of them

But that dosen't really matter to this

[pulsar ocean]

could noxus de-godify silva if he chewed on her god essence enough

[mighty zenith]

xeroc and silva at the very least

she's not dead

[raven brook]

Just like how the spread of evil biomes or whatever dosen't matter to the point that yharim intentionallyl eft some of the evil biomes behind

[fair pelican]

Why didn’t Yharim ask DoG to eat Silva?

[zenith geode]

silva's been paste-ified but she's still alive

[raven brook]

It wouldn't do anything

She'd just reform again

[zenith geode]

she's an elemental AND the goddess of life thats like double immortality

[raven brook]

Except now you're sending Silva's essence to the distortion which uhh bad idea probably
Who knows what the hell that could do

[fair pelican]

Without the divine power that does that? Isn’t the whole thing about DOG that it eats the divine power meaning that it would be gone?

[young socket]

shes the elemental of nature, and elementals cant be killed unless their entire element was removed from the planet

[pulsar ocean]

she’s in the distortion and can’t get out
Which means noxus can build silvakiller3000 which automatically spawncamps her

[raven brook]

It's not about divien power

[mighty zenith]

also right now if DoG tried to go get her

[raven brook]

Silva is immortal because seh's a elemental

[mighty zenith]

he'd get fucking DEMOLISHED by jared

[raven brook]

Elementals cannot die until you get rid of their entire element

They'll just infinitely reform

To kill silva you have to literally Kill Every Living Being Ever

or, atleast on terraria

aliens probably dont coujnt

[zenith geode]

iirc jared is stronger than the vast majority of auric dragons right

[raven brook]

yeah

[fair pelican]

Wait what?
She’s an elemental?
Of what?

[mighty zenith]

nature

[raven brook]

Nature

[mighty zenith]

aka

basically everything

all life

flora, fauna, mushrooms, bacteria

[zenith geode]

whoops! missed one bacterium! gotta start over!

[mighty zenith]

all of it

[raven brook]

Jared is being possibly tier shifted to pre-yharon iirc? but that still makes him stronger than most uaric dragons

[fair pelican]

What happens if an alien eats a dragon soul?
I know this never happened in game but like, you’re saying they’re not affected by the world’s rules bcs they don’t come from this world, so what happens when they get involved

[young socket]

age old question, do viruses count

[mighty zenith]

no

virus racism

[zenith geode]

calamity lore drop: viruses dont exist

[raven brook]

I didn't say anything about world rules, i'm just talking about the elementals

[young socket]

iirc its the same tier as yharon

just like how infernum does it

[raven brook]

The elementals represent elemets of Terraria Probably so it's why aliens probably wouldnt count

Maybe they do though who knows

[fair pelican]

I didn’t mention elementals in this, I was asking another question

[raven brook]

I think probably not

I know this never happened in game but like, you’re saying they’re not affected by the world’s rules bcs they don’t come from this world,

And i am saying that i didn't say that yes

[fair pelican]

I misunderstood that

[raven brook]

If aliens have souls then they probably can ascend like anything else

If they don't then i guess not

[pulsar ocean]

is silva still immortal if she’s not on the planet or the dimension

[fair pelican]

But I thought that since they’re not affected by elementals they wouldn’t be affected by the world rules

[raven brook]

I assume they have souls though

Pretty sure they do

[fair pelican]

What happens if something that has a mind but doesn’t have a soul eat a dragon soul?

[pulsar ocean]

Haven’t seen any ginger aliens 🤣 🤣 🤣

[raven brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Calamity's universe seems to work on the basis taht every living being, and by proxy sapient being, has a soul

So not like we can really have an answer since we have no instances of anything like that happening ingame

[mighty zenith]

the closest to that would be a machine absorbing a soul

but that's only a theoretical since it has never happened

[agile matrix]

its implied that he’s barreling at full speed and likely doesnt have the reaction time

[agile matrix]

what abt a Slime

[mighty zenith]

thats more of a reverse

soul, no mind

[agile matrix]

mm i see

[pulsar ocean]

Creature of steel

[light linden]

plague

the plague is a virus iirc

[eager bluff]

it is

nanomachines

not a virus

[light linden]

yes but it is clearly based on a virus

[eager bluff]

"based on a virus" it is Self Replicating .

[light linden]

no like

physically

it's seemingly based on a stereotypical bacteriophage

[eager bluff]

in a meta sense yes it is based off viruses

[light linden]

e.g.

their design and function are too close to viruses for it to be coincidence

[icy veldt]

What about the mechanical trio? They were made with the souls of Yharim's soldiers

[light linden]

hmm

@cosmic zenith hey got time for a question about a theoretical scienario?

[icy veldt]

Wait no, the mechs were built and then had souls incorporated into them, so it wasn't a case of an existing intelligent machine choosing to absorb a soul

[agile matrix]

the Plague is a Nanomechanical Microdrone Swarm

Draedon says it Themselves

[agile matrix]

Made =/= Ritualed

a Car is not Made of Gas, it Uses It

It'd be like Draedon using an Auric Soul

[icy veldt]

Exactly what I pointed out here: #lore-discussion message

[agile matrix]

you can just Reply to it

but Yes

[icy veldt]

I know, I just wanted to be slightly more condescending

[agile matrix]

Honestly, Draedon with an Auric Soul would be Fucking Scary

[long bloom]

god of science

[agile matrix]

Not Even that Though

the Domain depends on the Soul, but also on the Person

[long bloom]

yeah it was a joke

[agile matrix]

Think of the Possibilities

[icy veldt]

Draedon gets an Auric Soul and thinks "What if I strapped nukes to it?"

[agile matrix]

like even the Worst one, Dragon of Gluttony

Draedon already hoards knowledge and uses it for Grand Means

so with That Soul Even he could become the God of Database and just flatly have All Information at his Fingertips

[agile matrix]

Inverse, i'd Think; "How would this help me make more nukes", while crass, is a good example

he doesnt Want to make Nukes, he just Does

[long bloom]

god of information

[agile matrix]

Get him the Dragon of Wisdom and He Just Wins

[long bloom]

god of knowledge

[agile matrix]

his Life Goal is That

[icy veldt]

It was a joke about strapping nukes to bees, but yeah okay sure cool

[agile matrix]

he didnt Strap Nukes to Bees to Strap Nukes to Bees

he Made Nuke Bees because they Already Died when they Stung Stuff

Factually, Killing Something with a Bomb is a lot more effective than a Bee Sting

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[light linden]

what'd happen if a non organic being tried to absorb an auric soul?

[cosmic zenith]

Hmm
I don't know
It would require a wholly different ritual to work

[light linden]

would it do something akin to what happened when ultron tried to use the soul stone?

[light linden]

fair enough

[sinful adder]

This implies/confirms that the ritual requires something that only organic beings have

[sinful adder]

Please explain, I haven't seen it

[sinful adder]

Like maybe you have to eat the soul or something

[cosmic zenith]

(Organic souls)

[sinful adder]

That means that a mechanical being may have a soul and count as life, but their soul is fundamentally different from a regular one

This seems kind of weird because there isn't really a hard line between the two, even though it may often look that way

[wheat walrus]

nya

[green prairie]

(i barely talk here but i HAVE to get in on this)

i assume it wouldn't be too dissimilar from what happened with Draedon's OG mechs when they were injected with the souls of Yharim's warriors, only it would be WAY stronger and way more volatile

[cosmic zenith]

I should clarify
Organically-bound souls
Souls that were born into an organism (like all regular life) instead of being inserted into one (like Mech bosses or Plantera)

[split mortar]

So plantera cant god ascend

Via normal ritual

[long scaffold]

Local flower absorbs dragon soul and becomes a god

[feral skiff]

the 7 dragon souls

omega flowey boss fight

[cosmic zenith]

She isn't sapient in the first place

[light linden]

I wonder what'd happen if a plagued creature got a hold of an auric soul

or the inverse

[real silo]

It wouldn't know how to use it probably

[warm gull]

I only buy my souls from the organic souls store

[muted wedge]

Why do wilfrum drones try to kill me

[eager bluff]

they are very bad and attack anyone

[cosmic zenith]

Yes

I'm John Wulfrum, I told them to kill everyone

Trust

[leaden bridge]

My name is wulfrum

[long bloom]

i made the robots

[soft flame]

it was difficult to put the scrap together

[agile matrix]

Faulty Coding and Age

[sinful adder]

Even that seems odd, because then the soul has to do something involving it's natural body

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[sinful adder]

Weird. I wonder what it is and how it knows the difference

[cosmic zenith]

Souls are not commonly displaced from their bodies

[sinful adder]

What about a cyborg that had a natural body but got most of its organic parts replaced?

[cosmic zenith]

It would still have a soul, as its organic self is still existent to some capacity

It's as weird as the concept of a soul itself

[sinful adder]

Souls seem to commonly be displaced from their bodies when the creature dies and they have a lot of magic, like in the corruption and hallow

[cosmic zenith]

What is a soul? Is it tied to a specific part of the body? What does it grant a being?

[long bloom]

what if you ship of theseused someone into a robot

[sinful adder]

I still wonder what this process is that specifically needs the soul to be attached to its original body

[cosmic zenith]

But in those cases, wouldn't the body be lost

[sinful adder]

It still exists. It's just no longer alive and has become decaying meat

[cosmic zenith]

The person would lose its soul
What consequence does that have?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night barn]

so the soul is inside the flesh

ritual might have something to do with separating soul from flesh

but 🤔 it really seems like the soul is separate from the flesh

considering the auric dragons got theirs from the earth

[long bloom]

so if draedon was a failed consciousness transfer, he doesn't have a soul anymore? is your consciousness not tied to your soul?

[eager bluff]

considering we've seen souls persist after the flesh has decayed and died yeah

[long bloom]

see: ravager

[night barn]

then the body is unnecessary no

[long bloom]

def not alive

[cosmic zenith]

Separating a being's soul from its body is, invariably, killing them
And death creates a sort of disconnect between soul and matter that prevents souls from returning to their original bodies, or any body (which is why infusing undead with souls, a type of Necromancy, is still fucked up)
This also makes Mech bosses and Plantera noteworthy breakthroughs in soul magic

[cosmic zenith]

I wouldn't think of a soul as something inherently material

[cosmic zenith]

Draedon doesn't have a soul
What do you call consciousness?

[night barn]

i would agree but it doesn't seem like itd make sense for it to be entirely immaterial

[eager bluff]

entirely necessary? not exactly. but souls moving from one body to another generally doesnt end too well

the exception being auric souls and world soul shards but that can be chalked up to something being extra strange about world soul shards

[night barn]

there must be some property of the body that links it to a specific soul

assuming it's completely immaterial

[eager bluff]

nth dimensional organ or something

[night barn]

otherwise thered be some soul juice people have that encapsulates the soul's immaterial properties inside their body

[eager bluff]

ectoplasm

[sinful adder]

Actually, I think there's another answer that's better and cooler

[night barn]

idk what that is

[eager bluff]

actually what if ectoplasm is something a soul generates in order to try to replace the original body

[night barn]

could be

thatd be cool

[sinful adder]

A soul is a fluid that can occupy any space in a living being's sense of self. Your mind identified your arm as part of you body. So your soul fills it

[cosmic zenith]

That is the case

[eager bluff]

a soul needs something to contain it so in absence of its original "container" it simply... makes one

[cosmic zenith]

Well, at least as I see it

I was the one to suggest how soul power works

[sinful adder]

If you replace your arm, your soul will gradually grow to fill the new arm

[cosmic zenith]

This is a pretty neat idea

[sinful adder]

Consider the implications of this

[eager bluff]

a soul without any container will be destroyed and i assume this is why necromancy doesnt work very well

[plucky juniper]

i wanna see the mech bosses use powers related to their souls ngl

[night barn]

cool stuff

i gtg for now

[eager bluff]

right when a soul exits a container it has a short period of time where it has no container (i.e. before ectoplasm production begins) which causes the soul to corrode which kinda fucks up its ability to fully bond with a new container

so i imagine what draedon ended up doing with the mechs was essentially performing surgery on the souls after he put them in the mechs (which function as containers) that then allowed them to more fully bond with the mechs, as the corroded portions of the souls were excised

[sinful adder]

There's a better way to explain this

Large amounts of magic in one place are sentient (stars). Because of this, a soul can imprint on and inhabit a star if the amount of magic in its original body when it died is high enough

That's what the souls from vanilla are

This is also how souls get transferred into things

[scenic olive]

thw soul talk

it is inevitable

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[eager bluff]

i assume calamitas does something similar with necromancy, just faster and less controlled

[sinful adder]

It becomes a self sustaining entity because life generates magic from its soul, so cut out the middle part and you have a living star (magic object) hosting a soul

[scenic olive]

do you think noxus has a soul

[pulsar ocean]

why not

[scenic olive]

what if he collects souls as sustenance

[pulsar ocean]

he eats god essence

dog is a big straw

[scenic olive]

can we just feed him planty mush then

[eager bluff]

what if noxus is one giant soul

[scenic olive]

i always wonder why did the portal or endless void exist and in the dungeon in the first place

what if they used to sacrifice people in the deific era

[cosmic zenith]

I should eat your soul

https://tenor.com/view/gogy-nourishment-eating-lights-gif-26617337

[light linden]

hey stip I have another theoretical question

[cosmic zenith]

Go on

[light linden]

what do you think would happen to the plague if it encountered the sunken sea?

since it has naturally occuring electricity with dramatically more sand and water than they're used to

[cosmic zenith]

It depends to what extent it can use extraneous electricity, and how much danger water and sand pose to its functioning; I would assume it would create pretty unique Plague soldiers, but be more short-lived

[scenic olive]

obviously the water breaks machine duh

speaking of, does zombies, demon eye have souls

[warm gull]

do you guys think

[leaden bridge]

We don't think the plague could do much with sea prisms as draedon makes it pretty explicit they're not very useful until processed

[cosmic zenith]

I personally think it couldn't use them much directly, but they definitely could control the mobs that already make use of the prisms

[plucky juniper]

mmmm

[light linden]

I was more so concerned about the plague getting cooked

[tawdry notch]

[long bloom]

sea prisms don't release a noticeable charge into the air ambiently, let alone enough to electrify water by themselves

you'd need ghost bells for that

[light linden]

what'd happen if a plague cell bumped a sea prism?

[long bloom]

probably nothing

i don't think the terrarian is constantly getting static shocked holding some

that would be unpleasant

[light linden]

there's a difference between organic hands and biomechanical microscopic lifeform I'd imagine

[agile matrix]

i mean the Body is just a Really Really Smart Supercomputer

its got Electricity Everywhere

Fortunately; the Terrarian almost Always has some sorta Greave or Glove

and the Armor they have at the Sea Prism Tier is like Seashells and Shit

so thats Fortunate to Prevent Shocks

[craggy sparrow]

Different for anyone

i think the universal reason we can give it is that we enhance our body with mana

or we're just built different

[glacial wolf]

where did u find this info

[sinful adder]

I made it

It's my lore

[glacial wolf]

oh

ok

cus i knew that just sounded
not relogic esque? u said vanila and my mind went "hol up"

[sinful adder]

Yeah I made it up and an explanation for vanilla and calamity stuff

[glacial wolf]

im pretty sure that vanila terraria cosmology is alot more simple than that anyways lmao

it seems to be a weird mix of hp lovecraft and ye olde bible cosmology if i had to be frank

[sinful adder]

Vanilla terraria lore is stupid and bad

And should be ignored

[glacial wolf]

i agree in this respect

[glacial wolf]

but unless ur talkin about a mod then not entirely

i pray if/when we get terraria's sequel they fix the damn lore

[sinful adder]

They won't. People who are bad at writing don't magically get better at it

[split mortar]

This sounds like god essence taking over the planet sorta
Which i mean the essence is derived from world soul shards so it makes sense

[rain scroll]

I don’t think Vanilla has ANY confirmed lore lmao it’s all speculation fan theories and head canons

Aside from some obvious things, I don’t think anything of the lore is confirmed

[split mortar]

Theres the bestiary

[sinful adder]

Actually it does. Problem is, they rewrote the lore like 5 times and all of these are in the game and contradict each other

The most obvious example is this: most Town NPC dialogue was written years ago and works fine, but everything added when they did the bestiary and happiness system completely contradicts all the stuff established in previous dialogue

Sometimes it goes as far as NPCs having completely split personalities between their normal dialogue and happiness dialogue, like the cyborg

[modest elk]

what would Yharim even drop? doesnt the player have everything he does?

[strong quail]

the big-ass cool-ass sword tho...

[modest elk]

dang

imagine he only drops lore

[young socket]

gfb yharim should drop all the lore items

[pulsar ocean]

exo enhanced auric set or something

his spine we could use as a whip

[young socket]

not just the whispers just anything with lore

[pulsar ocean]

his sword maybe

he could also drop his wig

[split mortar]

You get methamphetamine from yharim and if you use it you dien

[raven brook]

his sword and his armor for one

And i mean otherwise like

Cna just make shit up lol

It's not like all of the weapons scal drops are stuff she uses in her fight

[modest elk]

“whispers from on high” but both him and the player are high

[heavy parrot]

Best Yharim drop = He removes his mask and reveals he is your brother!

[bitter cave]

Crazy plot Twist

[raven brook]

He's your father actually

[bitter cave]

[young socket]

next youre gonna tell me we are gonna have a prequel game that talks about how yharim became so evil

like some sort of reign of y-

[bitter cave]

[heavy parrot]

Honestly I feel like at that point of the story progression Yharim being related would hold no significance to the overall plot.

[young socket]

something something the terrarian is you

[young socket]

Siffrin Gun.

[heavy parrot]

Like oh, you are my dad? well everything else is dead, so who cares.

[pulsar ocean]

Remember when calamitas used slave knight Gael’s sword from dark souls 3

[raven brook]

i remember

[young socket]

only on death mode too

[fair pelican]

If the reason Yharim is depressed is not shame for non god believers lost in crusade nor for ruining his world

Then why is he isolating himself in a floating island no one can find? Like, for what reason he just stopped the crusade if it wasn’t for a sudden gain of morality?

[pulsar ocean]

He realized he’s not killing every god cuz silva is immortal and xeroc is a million times above his level so he’s just sad and waiting for someone stronger to take his place

[night barn]

whispers from on crack

[young socket]

he has isolated himself to train in a place no one else can reach

[split mortar]

I sub to the theory xeroc wooped his ass before hence why yharim going to aerie and going for draedons exo tech

[pulsar ocean]

why didn’t yharim try reuniting with draedon

[strong quail]

draedon got sad at him

got him so sad that he now wants Yharim dead

[pulsar ocean]

why didn’t yharim just ask for some de aging nanomachines or even put his brain in a robot body

[pulsar ocean]

oh balright

[split mortar]

Robot body would suck compared to his

[fair pelican]

Why he didn’t train a successor himself? And then made that successor bond with Yharon like he did?
Or ask Draedon for a way to extend his life.

Also why he don’t ask Draedon to throw Silva into the sun or something?
Also, why he cares about Xeroc? To my understanding Xeroc didn’t do any kind of act on his own. He became a god and disappeared, he might as well have literally left the planet to see the universe or something. Like even if he theoretically became stronger than Xeroc how tf Yharim would even find him?

[pulsar ocean]

He cares about xeroc because xeroc =god and god=bad

[fair pelican]

Draedon’s machines are Calamitas level, if Yharim put his Dragon boosted soul into a machine, and kept doing his thing, it probably would have results

[pulsar ocean]

He wants to kill every god

No exceptions

[split mortar]

For the first paragraph
Thats what yharim is trying to make the terrarian be
Silva would still come back eventually and probably quicker then if thrown in the sun since she would just get blasted to the planet and heal without a constant annoyance like if in abyss
Yharim hates all gods for merely being gods

[fair pelican]

he planned to find Xeroc how? Like I said there’s a chance Xeroc straight up left the planet or something cause he never had any indications of his presence after becoming a god

[pulsar ocean]

Also xeroc probably wouldn’t go far away from terraria since his thing is doing xeroc taxes and fending off against cosmic threats like moonlord

[hoary cape]

We do not mention xeroc taxes

[fair pelican]

So he would have been gone for like thousands of years

[split mortar]

We dont really know atm

[glacial rampart]

You just mentioned them

[hoary cape]

I am excempt

[split mortar]

True

[fair pelican]

The sun wouldn’t be burning her forever?

[glacial rampart]

Generally the way to defend something is to be at the place so idk why he'd be gone

[hoary cape]

Xeroc is not thousands of years old tbh, he is like just over 800

[split mortar]

The sun would
Like
Push her away probably
Also not on planet so she might just evaporate and then restart at 0 on terraria

[fair pelican]

Or at least, gravitational pull to keep her stuck?

[fair pelican]

I don’t think that’s how gravity works

[hoary cape]

It's terraria

Who is to say gravity doesn't work differently

[split mortar]

We dealing with a magical celestial object made of light we dont even know if it has mass to have gravity

[thick slate]

light has mass

[fair pelican]

I thought that only the world(terraria) was magical due to having a soul, while everything else was just
Physics, n shit

[split mortar]

The stars in the cosmos is made of mana

[thick slate]

nah the sun is controlled by the big x

[hoary cape]

I mean we literally get attacked by magic wielding aliens so

Via moon lord

[split mortar]

And dog

And martians

[hoary cape]

The martians don't have magic iirc

Dog is also not from this universe

[thick slate]

do the martians also have their own little sun

[fair pelican]

The martians are just sci fi

[split mortar]

Some martian gear use mana

[hoary cape]

The alien army moon lord unleashes have magic

[fair pelican]

Im surprised Draedon didn’t reverse engineer their space travel though

[hoary cape]

Heck even fovos himself seems to have magic

[split mortar]

Whats special to this planet seems to be auric stuff not mana in general

[fair pelican]

Will we get an explanation on wtf moonlord is? Cause it’s really weird that something that powerful just appeared and was never touched upon again. Specially since in calamity Moonlord is just a magical big monster, not an eldritch horror

[split mortar]

Or atleast compared to martians
Havent heard of any auric and god martians

[hoary cape]

Probably not

[split mortar]

Bestiary entry when its eventually added

Is my best guess

[hoary cape]

Yah, but that's not gonna contain much past what we already know

[split mortar]

???

[hoary cape]

There isn't much known about it so why would it contain stuff

[fair pelican]

My headcanon for now is that Moonlord is from distortion to conquer the world, but since he failed, DOG was sent to weaken the world for the invasion of distortion

[split mortar]

What is this logic

[fair pelican]

Kinda like viltrumites

[split mortar]

This would entail noxus and ml are working together

[thick slate]

this is kinda bars

[split mortar]

I can see it being the case

[hoary cape]

ML does conquer worlds

[thick slate]

what worlds dude

da moon

[hoary cape]

Other alien worlds

[split mortar]

Someone had a theory ml is why mars is like not really hospitable anymore iirc

[hoary cape]

How do you think bro has an army from different planets

[thick slate]

ok thats like 1 world he conqueted

[hoary cape]

4

[thick slate]

what are the other 3 what

[hoary cape]

Each pillar is a different one

[thick slate]

is this real

[split mortar]

We dont confirmed know what pillars are afaik but them being of other conquered worlds is a prevalent theory

[thick slate]

what does solar mean

[split mortar]

Primordial light

[fair pelican]

Yeah it’s just called Moonlord cause it was sealed on the moon that’s not his name

[fair pelican]

What does this mean

[thick slate]

so the solar guys are primordial light guys

[split mortar]

The pillar actually does hold pl powers yeah

[hoary cape]

Solar is sun power

Well star

[thick slate]

no way !!

[split mortar]

In calamity just sun it seems

[thick slate]

i was asking cuz calamity sun different

[fair pelican]

I suggest renaming the pillars if that’s the case
It’s kinda weird having planets named solar, nebula, vortex and stardust

[thick slate]

i know what solar means irl

[split mortar]

Fair enough

[hoary cape]

That's the name of the gates named by us probably just because we love naming things weirdly

[fair pelican]

Wait that means Moonlord has conquered an entire civilization that uses the same power as Xeroc?

[thick slate]

moonlord top dawg

he did allat and died to some lizards

[hoary cape]

One of the only canon terrarian facts is we name stuff really weird sometimes

[thick slate]

what a bum

[hoary cape]

Magical lizards

[split mortar]

I suspect the pillars may be related to the auric souls ml damaged but the pillars predated the invasion iirc so im not convinced on my suspicions being truthful

[pulsar ocean]

do pillars have any lore why do the guys even invade us

[hoary cape]

Moon lord sends them as a first wave I would guess

[split mortar]

They helped ml fight the dragons

[thick slate]

why are it blue

[hoary cape]

Moon lord when you beat his army: stand ready for my arrival worm
Then gets obliterated by a random guy

[pulsar ocean]

you'd think the guy trapped on the moon for god knows how long wouldnt have any troops left

[hoary cape]

I mean if you conquered planets he probably still had control over them

Even while trapped

Just couldn't use them

[split mortar]

Solar being pl related and like look at vortex that shit reminds me of vetrasyl and we know ml targeted vetrasyl first
But
Then whats nebula and stardust…

[hoary cape]

Clearly the martians are also part of his army

[feral skiff]

summoner and mage class

[split mortar]

Your summoner and mage class

[pulsar ocean]

Who

[hoary cape]

Wrong you're. Argument obliterated

[azure tartan]

gg dont argue with me

[split mortar]

Nuh uh

[hoary cape]

Yuh uh

[split mortar]

Nuh uh

[limpid saddle]

huh

did somebody call me

[feral skiff]

no

out

i’m shooing you like a bird

[limpid saddle]

Fortunately im not a bird so its not gonna work

[simple tangle]

Reasons why Calamitas should be trans:
-itd be cool

[split mortar]

• someone who inspires some calamitas dialogue is trans

Why is that a dot

[worldly spindle]

You put a space after the dash

[limpid saddle]

i think draedons trans

[simple tangle]

iirc, yharon will come back eventually, but not in game and not to see ur fight with yharim? it takes him like, a decade to come back

[split mortar]

^

Yharon bade yharim farewell because yharim is so old age will catch up before yharon fully rebirths
Both will never see the other alive again even if we dont kill yharim

[green prairie]

i think its moreso the Terrarian catching up with him than old age

[eager bluff]

no

yharim will just die before yharon is reborn

[green prairie]

i dont remember how old he is but i feel like he wouldn't succumb to old age that easily?

[eager bluff]

his prime lasts through the entirety of his life once he hits it

he's been inching more and more closely to death for years and with yharon being reborn time is gonna catch up with him before yharon is fully rebirthed

[young socket]

hes 130

[green prairie]

i wonder what yharon would do when he eventually is reborn? do dragons retain their memories if they perish and are revived?

[green prairie]

unc status?

[young socket]

yharon does at least

[agile matrix]

Yharim is Old as Shit

Yharon is Aware of the Passing of Time and that it Takes like 10 Years

[green prairie]

draedon is just as old and is the best he's ever been, yharim has no excuse /j

[agile matrix]

ergo, since We're Also Going to Kill Him

Yharon is like "Yeah dude you're gonna Die. i'll do my Best right up until i cannot anymore"

[split mortar]

Draedons like 660 ish

[frozen zodiac]

can draedon even realistically die

[split mortar]

Uh not really

[green prairie]

probably not, his real location is probably so protected and hyper-secluded that even if you did find him good luck

besides i like Draedon so i don't want him to die :3

[zenith geode]

*locations

[split mortar]

Good luck killing the internet but its centuries in the future worth of tech and fiction materials and has the ability to make super death machines

[zenith geode]

zero chance he doesnt have at least 20 backup servers

a couple of them likely being in orbit

[green prairie]

he probably keeps backups of himself constantly so if he dies and doesn't do anything for a day one of his computers will just smack it in a new body

[frozen zodiac]

thats funny i was just watching a vid on ultron and one of his stories emphasizes at the end that he will never give up and so long as even 1 of his army robots lives he will be reconstructed and return

[agile matrix]

Draedon is not an Idiot and Knows that he May be Killed

this is Why he Definitely has Replicas and Backups

in some. Complex System

[green prairie]

i feel like Draedon is the type of person that is proud of himself but he would never have two of himself at once

[split mortar]

Draedon is proud of himself but would never put what feelings he has beyond efficiency and furthering science in the long run

[green prairie]

i like to imagine Draedon has a little arc where he discovers feelings for the first time after watching Yharim go off on him for doing what he assumed was the correct method of ensuring max productivity

he starts to question "Hmm... what if efficiency and perfection isn't best for the entire world?" and his goals start to go in a different direction but maybe that's a fanfic for another day

[long bloom]

sounds neat

[green prairie]

i love a lot of the calamity characters i wanna take some jabs at writing them sometime. ESPECIALLY draedon i wanna write some custom codebreaker stuff for him

[sinful adder]

Draedon doesn't care about what's best for the entire world, he just cares about what he wants and will avoid destroying the world because it's easier than dealing with gods getting angry at you for destroying the world. That said, this could change, even if it's unlikely.

[green prairie]

maybe him watching the Terrarian excel despite their mortal flaws makes him rethink things or something?? it's MY headcanons leave me alone /j

[split mortar]

Draedon already acknowledges flesh has many things better then metal
Hence why the plague and pbg was done
Do look forward if you do the draedon fanfic thing it does sound cool

[frozen zodiac]

does draedon acknowledge that perfection is an unrealistic concept because even through trial and error flaws will appear

[green prairie]

i might just do little oneoffs. im always miffed that the codebreaker dialogues don't acknowledge stuff from addons (astrageldon, Avatar eclipse, Solyn, etc) so im gonna make it MYSELF

[eager bluff]

why would it

[split mortar]

Fun fact hotog is acknowledged since the addon adds goozma related draetalk!

[green prairie]

ik! i completely forgot to mention it oops- i was gonna say something but got another ping

im not the jesus of writing but i wanna write little interactions between characters that don't get a lot of that. like Draedon comparing Solyn to the player which they relay back to her or something

[agile matrix]

isnt she like

Dead

[feral skiff]

spoilers!!!!

[green prairie]

if you were to interact with the Codebreaker after fighting Exos but before Avatar

[agile matrix]

that mods been out for like 2 years atp

[green prairie]

and you be quiet SHE'S ALIVE TO ME

[agile matrix]

if someone Genuinely gets spoiled by that

[feral skiff]

(dw ive played wrath of the gods its ok)

[green prairie]

*Solyn was added last year, so about 1 year

but considering how many people have likely seen Myra's showcase (where she does, in fact, perish) i'd say its common knowledge

[split mortar]

The update with solyn and stuff is a bit under a year iirc

[agile matrix]

Is That So

[split mortar]

Youd be surprised at how well i have kept spoilers away from myself

[green prairie]

i dont play Terraria to feel but Solyn's death still kinda chokes me up a little

[agile matrix]

i remember killing AoE at like

2 in the morning

[split mortar]

I dont even know what mars looks like or whatever the super exo is

[agile matrix]

and going "Waait!! My Joat!! My Joat No!!! They Slimed them Out!!"

[agile matrix]

froggish

[green prairie]

have you ever played NieR:Automata?

[split mortar]

Sticker i dont want spoilers
Luckily that tells me jackshit of the design so idc about that

[split mortar]

No

[green prairie]

just imagine Emil's head on Ares' body and you have Mars

[split mortar]

Good thing i dont know what emil looks like idk why you telling me this

[agile matrix]

yea thats why i wasnt Descriptive

[modest elk]

how is the cragmaw mire a miniboss the hellborn deletes it in like a second or two

[raven brook]

very loreful

[long bloom]

yeah that's what hellborn does

[modest elk]

did I accidentally get the cheese gun

[long bloom]

it's the second most overpowered weapon in the game

gets an on tier killtime for polterghast

[modest elk]

POLTERGHAST?!

[long bloom]

yup

[modest elk]

its like calmod makers want ranged lategame to be melee

[long bloom]

and melee lategame to be ranged

[modest elk]

whats the hellborn lore anyway it looks SCal colored

[long bloom]

it does not currently have lore

[warm gull]

what do you think

[pulsar ocean]

i think draedon's creator is gaster

[worldly spindle]

Always bet on Yharim Knight

[robust osprey]

looks Scal colored beacuse it's azafure colored

[robust osprey]

yharim does NOT have aura sorry

[worldly spindle]

neither does the roaring fraud

[eager bluff]

always bet on yharon knight

[young socket]

always bet on amidias knight

[robust osprey]

the knight is actually skeleton merchant

[long bloom]

are you sure

[robust osprey]

okay, I take it back

[zenith geode]

loses a ton of aura when you learn about him though

[robust osprey]

just don't learn about him

[agile matrix]

hmm.

okay yea that Is aura

but like

This is his One Aurafarm Image

can we get one where he's Eating Pringles

[warm gull]

you're too rp pilled

[green prairie]

anyone can have aura if you give them the right moment, like dragonfolly

[zenith geode]

what about the one where hes the worst and most biased person ever

[agile matrix]

no i want to see him Eating Pringles

autocorrect Tried saying Progesterone

[zenith geode]

curious

[pulsar ocean]

why do u capitalise some of the words

[zenith geode]

wonder why it did that

[agile matrix]

i Feel Like It

[feral skiff]

queen deltarune

Hello Do You Like My Word Capitalisations?

[agile matrix]

hmm no its more Winnie the Pooh

also Sadly the Other Person who Full Caps is Not As Mentioned

[pulsar ocean]

why didn’t yharim collect the chaos emeralds and go super

[long bloom]

how do you choose which ones to capitalize

[agile matrix]

Entirely Randomly

i'll Capitalize some Words but not Others

its kinda how i Feel It based on Importance?

[long bloom]

interesting

[woeful karma]

lore discussion

[odd magnet]

Why is it called calamity if calamitas isn’t even the final boss (in the future) or the most important character

[raven brook]

because fabsol called it calamity because it sounded cool

calamitas wasnt even in the mod

[cosmic zenith]

(Yes, Calamitas wasn't a thing when the mod was created/named, if anything she's named after the mod)

The first bosses were Desert Scourge, Slime God and The Devourer of Gods

[odd magnet]

I knew she was a 1.1 thing but like why didn’t they eventually build it up for calamitas to be the most important and made it yharim instead

[raven brook]

devourer of gods being post plantera and literally just the same exact sprite as the destroyer but the eyes were purple instead of red

[azure tartan]

Calamitas was still added very early on

[cosmic zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[raven brook]

yharim was established as the main villain of the mods like 50 years ago i dunno

[azure tartan]

Old calamity made no sense and the old lore is irrelevant

[raven brook]

its not like decisions made thne are things the current team would've had any control over

[cosmic zenith]

Ocram sounding ahh

[odd magnet]

So basically fab was smoking something, cause like it would have made sense to build the story up more around calamitas because it’s calamity, it’s not called like yharimity or some shit like that

[raven brook]

i guess

like yeah kinda but also i don't really think it matters that much

[azure tartan]

Famously the word calamity was named after calamitas

[raven brook]

like hey

in monster hunter world iceborne

neither the initial final boss or the extended update final boss are actually ice monsters

[split mortar]

Wasnt calamitas made then fabsol wanted another calamitas and so supreme calamitas was made ages ago

[raven brook]

the ice monster gets to be in the logo thoguh so that's something

[raven brook]

:idk:

probably

[odd magnet]

It’s just a small question tbh, I just thought about it while drawing

[raven brook]

sounds like smth he'd do

[azure tartan]

I think supreme calamitas was originally called calamitas

[raven brook]

I think it's the reverse

Calamitas was made before supreme calamitas

before post ml content was really a thing

DoG got moved to post moon lord but then i guess instead of just moving calamitas to post ml alongside him he still wanted to keep her current placement fsr

so he made Two Calamitases

[split mortar]

Fabsolian game design

[raven brook]

Yknow if things had gone slightly different we would've probably had dog clone instead

[azure tartan]

I just checked and supreme calamitas was added in 1.1.7 and calamitas clone was added in 1.1

[odd magnet]

So basically the lore of the game is mostly built around the bullshit that fab came up with back then

[azure tartan]

Yes

[raven brook]

More or less

At first fabsol wrote lore just by himslf

It sucked

[azure tartan]

He tried to make supreme calamitas meta

[raven brook]

So the nhe got a team of writers

[azure tartan]

Like commenting on things outside of the game

💀

[raven brook]

But said team of writers got burnt out from working on calamity and didn't really have passion for it due to Dev Team Fabsol Horrors

Which lead to that lore also being pretty sloppy

So then the 22 incident happens where most of those devs retire anyways, new dev team happens, lore rewrite except wtih a team of writers that is actually passionatea bout writing lore for this damn mod

and that's our current lore ™

[odd magnet]

And we couldn’t have like, changed any of it… wait no right fabsol only left recently of course we couldn’t have

[raven brook]

I mean i dunno why we would change it

[odd magnet]

Oh god

[raven brook]

Like what would we even change

Remove yharim from the story?

[azure tartan]

Well a lot of weird fabsolian decisions are part of the mod’s identity now

[leaden bridge]

itd be stupid if calamity revolved around calamtas

like thats stupid

[split mortar]

The placement of bosses can be changed now atleast
Like
Hivemind/perfs swapping with dragon folly

[raven brook]

yeah thats being changed

[odd magnet]

We obviously can’t now

[raven brook]

also maybe slime god/calclone

[raven brook]

Yeah and it wouldnt even be a good idea to do that now anyways

It wouldn't benefit literally anyone and yharim is a good villain as is

[odd magnet]

I’m not saying change the game, I just wanted to know why it happened

I think the lore is good

[raven brook]

fair nuff

[leaden bridge]

we mean you could you could have indeed removed yharim from the story frankly, like obviously not happening but like, with any of the rewwrites, it wouldn't have been, particularly hard

since, you know, he doesn't, he doesn't exist

[raven brook]

Yeah it could've been done in the rewrites if the writers wanted to but they didn't and they wrote lore for him so

[odd magnet]

It’d be cliche, but cliche isn’t bad imo

[leaden bridge]

it happened because no amount of thought was put into it, calamitas was never the main villain anyways, yharim was already a conceptualized character bakc when she was added

[raven brook]

Also i feel like suddenly removing Yharim from the story would've been a pretty big blow given how important he has consistently been to the mod's story since its inception

The inception of a story, i mean

Not of the mod itself

[azure tartan]

There’s literally no reason to remove yharim from the current lore

[raven brook]

Since there wasn't really A Story at first

[leaden bridge]

calamitas being named calamitas is already barely tolerable if she was the main villain itd be genuinely terrible

[odd magnet]

Can I hear your thoughts on why?

[zenith geode]

the main villain of calamity, calamitas

[leaden bridge]

it would be very hard to take calamitas the main villain of calamity seriously

the name is already like terrible and only tolerable because of being grandfathered in and the reason for both of these things is that it sounds stupid and silly and dumb

[cosmic minnow]

Let’s face more important issues

Why is she so short

[odd magnet]

How is that

[cosmic minnow]

who thought the witch of brimstone should be a 5‘4 gremlin

[odd magnet]

Is she not the same size as the terrarian??

[leaden bridge]

shes jsut a little short thats normal

[cosmic minnow]

^

[azure tartan]

Not even that short

[cosmic minnow]

5‘4 is damn short😭

[split mortar]

She was poor and suffered nutritional issues resulting in stunted growth shrimple

[cosmic minnow]

Ok valid reasoning

so Yharim was always on a bulk?

[zenith geode]

also people can just like be short

[odd magnet]

…y’know what maybe i haven’t really thought of the name “calamitas” enough

[azure tartan]

I can’t wait to fight the villain of the calamity mod, calamitas!

[cosmic minnow]

Gonna be real, the name isn’t that bad since it’s a placeholder and not her actual name as much as I know

would be cool to know what her real name is

[odd magnet]

Wait what

[split mortar]

Its a monicker people other then calamitas made in fear of her iirc

[leaden bridge]

its not her real name but its not a "placeholder" where did you get that idea 😭

[cosmic minnow]

^

Bad wording

[odd magnet]

Okay ngl that sounds funny when you think about it

[cosmic minnow]

Calamity my calamities

[odd magnet]

Like instead of the actual word you used “calamitas” instead

[odd magnet]

I already kinda can’t take the mod seriously cause it still has old duke tbh

[leaden bridge]

Very Good Reason

[reef wigeon]

Mana, thats all

[icy veldt]

It is an actual word. Calamitas is the Latin noun that English gets the word "calamity" from

[cosmic minnow]

Latin back at it once again

[leaden bridge]

its theoretically good but it doesnt land

like imagine if we called her calamity straight up

[icy veldt]

You forgot the gigachad image

[leaden bridge]

supreme witch calamity

that sounds like, alike a calamity of supreme witches

[reef wigeon]

I had a mental image of Xeroc

I thought that, y'know, with primordial light he moves in segments instead of in a single body because TP modifies your body if you overuse it (although Xeroc is probably immune to that)

[robust osprey]

so what you're saying is

XEWORM

[zenith geode]

we know what weapons the other three used (shield, spear, staff), but what weapon did providence herself use pre-ascension?

[robust osprey]

maybe pristine fury?

idk

[reef wigeon]

Yeah

I was thinking more that he would use worm enemy AI with followers as his limbs

[wheat walrus]

unleashes a great sublimating flame and scorches the whole of lore discussion at once

[mighty zenith]

thats mean

[warm gull]

hi mean I'm garbo

[simple tangle]

how would draedon react to xeroc's existence?

[long bloom]

i don't think he'd care

[strong notch]

He would most likely drop all of his current research to study Xeroc

If he was able to

[pulsar ocean]

Is tails the fox smarter than draedon

[simple tangle]

im just wondering if he'd consider the exo mechs or a slightly stronger machine like the peak of what he can reach and drop his research on evil war crime machine and focus on other things

[thick slate]

is the sky blue ahh question

[pulsar ocean]

wow draedon got no diffed by like an 8 year old

[spice pawn]

I have a feeling he knows and doesn't care

[simple tangle]

i think its mentioned somewhere that

he doesnt

know

[spice pawn]

He's gonna install auric souls into the exo mechs

[long bloom]

there's only 1 auric soul left and it's completely inaccessible to him

[simple tangle]

me giving yharon's egg and the terminus to draedon

draedon soloes fiction

[thick slate]

draedon as a god would be so cool

[simple tangle]

lend me some power noxus...this is base armored digger we're up against...

[strong notch]

I wonder if in case he was a god he would try to enslave humanity or just make a copy of the world to experiment on it

[thick slate]

some ultron type shit

[spice pawn]

Doesn't a God of electricity already exist

[thick slate]

it do

[dusk laurel]

he doesnt have to be a god of electricity

[thick slate]

god of knowledge or smth

[simple tangle]

god of invention

[thick slate]

nah thats john wulfrum

[simple tangle]

new hc, when draedon woke up he was a roomba or some shit
and slowly built up his body

[abstract hedge]

Yeah but she got killed by calamitas.

[spice pawn]

Ah

[abstract hedge]

Otonilou or smth

[spice pawn]

Yeah

[abstract hedge]

I forgot how to spell it.

[dusk laurel]

you spelt it correctly

[thick slate]

what that name mean

[spice pawn]

Onion

[thick slate]

it looks polynesian that would be fire

[dusk laurel]

#lore-discussion message

[thick slate]

oh its japanese

so sugoi kawaii

[modest elk]

would he even be able to? isnt he mostly mechanical?

[limpid saddle]

cheese do you have a new yoru pfp

[thick slate]

nop

[thick slate]

yea im cheese

[limpid saddle]

the requirement for the ascension ritual has so far been ascribed as 'be sapient & be alive'

so

maybe

[thick slate]

i think having a soul is important

and i dont think draedon got one of those

[modest elk]

is he alive though? or his his knowledge justs sustained in a metal body

[thick slate]

hes an ai

[modest elk]

also if he a robot or s cyborg I cant remember

[long bloom]

robot

no organic material

[thick slate]

he was also probably his own inventor

[modest elk]

oh

[thick slate]

but ig he lost his soul when he uploaded his consciousness

[limpid saddle]

we still dont know if he does have a soul

though that makes me wonder if he can just jam an auric soul in one of his bodies & rig a system to use its power

[thick slate]

he slots it in like a gpu card

[simple tangle]

i bet he could probably make one

[livid sandal]

I think draedon would put a soul into an artificial organic body and upload his mind into it if he wished to ascend

[jaunty wraith]

Hes already made machines that can rival most gods, cant he just put his mind into that

[soft flame]

are both of the evil biomes cannon in the world of calamity

or is it just one of many influences that are emphasized

[long bloom]

both

[soft flame]

i see then

[light moth]

Based on what they could achieve?
Idk
They are from completely different universes
Plus, it’s not only their intelligence that gives them the opportunity to do something, but something else
Like, Draedon would barely make Exo Mechs like that had he not thrown away any form of morality
It is not what Tails would be ready to do, ya know

[eager bluff]

i dont think tails is smarter than draedon

like

just in general

draedon has over 600 years of growth over tails

[light moth]

Yeah
Its quite… unfair comparison to begin with

[light moth]

I just dont really see how to compete them to each other
Because they have entirely different experiences and goals

[eager bluff]

in terms of direct intelligence draedon wins

hell even debatably in terms of problem solving

[light moth]

Yeah, because Draedon is ready to do anything for solving the case

[thick slate]

tails solos

[agile matrix]

tails is smart but draedon is Encyclopedic

i feel like they'd be good acquaintences though

Tails tells Draedon about Mobius and Draedon tells Tails how to build Cool Shit

[scenic root]

Got a question for anyone who knows for sure, what is the cause of the corruption/crimson? any named figures excluding the crusaders referenced in the creation of said afflictions?

[zenith geode]

the death of gods

and not cleaning up their essence

the hallow is an example of godly essence that was properly contained (until you destroy its tupperware)

[scenic root]

Were there name drops or just dead gods?

[zenith geode]

the corruption was mainly the god of dogma and the crimson mainly the god of war

the reason why they were left uncontained was pro-yharim propaganda

[agile matrix]

Yharim mentions a Few Times; he fucking Sucked at Getting Rid of Corpses

he just thought if you buried some bits of them they'd just Lay down and Die

Unfortunately; That Does Not Work

[zenith geode]

he contained the good essence perfectly fine (hallow) but left the evil festering growths there to basically say "this is what gods are made of"

[agile matrix]

wait Seriously

[scenic root]

So the slain weren’t named?

[zenith geode]

i dont believe dogma or war have had their names revealed yet

[scenic root]

Rip

[agile matrix]

i mean do they really need names

Imagine being called the God of War

[scenic root]

It would be nice.

[agile matrix]

Imagine Being Called God of War: Ragnarok

[zenith geode]

lack of names also has a case for it

yharim's narrative, gods are evil and arent worth remembering

[agile matrix]

can [whichever evil2 is War]'s updated theme be called Ragnarok

prayer hands

[scenic root]

ZEUS! YOUR SON HAS RETURNED

[agile matrix]

ZEUS.

YOUR SON HAS RETURNED

[scenic root]

Exact same though processes

[scenic root]

I just think it would be cool if someone like draedon name dropped them or smthn to clear that up.

[zenith geode]

like i dont doubt that a lot of the gods have been lost to time thanks to all written information on them being destroyed in the crusade and those who remembered them were either killed or never passed the tales on before they died

[agile matrix]

Please Please Please let us eventually Meet the God of Knowledge

Please Please Please

i want to hear Abstract Concepts

[zenith geode]

i feel like that wouldve been one of the first targets

[agile matrix]

yea but they'd Know that, no?

so they'd Know How to Avoid That

[zenith geode]

where the fuck would they go the crusade wasn't contained to just the heartlands

it was a worldwide thing

[agile matrix]

Space.

[zenith geode]

the heartlands were just affected the most

[agile matrix]

or The Fuckass Hellfire Lands

like i feel like having a God of Knowledge would Know Shit

[sinful adder]

There's a lot of Ligma potential on dragon names

Mind Dragon (these balls across your face)

[pulsar ocean]

What

[sinful adder]

Crypto scam trying to get people to join their thing