lore-discussion

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-why-are-you-white-why-are-you-blue-gif-16316957962789149202

[craggy sparrow]

They live in a gated community

[split mortar]

She has not paid the patreon to become ourple or red ir anything else

[thick slate]

the answer was low amounts of melanin

[craggy sparrow]

Kill all white people yharim said

[dusk laurel]

😨

[craggy sparrow]

excluding me

[pulsar ocean]

who are onyx Kingston

[craggy sparrow]

im their dei in the military

[thick slate]

too late

[split mortar]

Gay people

[craggy sparrow]

he needs me for cultural appropriation purposes

and diversity

he destroyed my kingdom already so eh

i have nothing to lose

also draedon lets me use his toilet

[thick slate]

the white kingdom ❤️‍🩹

[pulsar ocean]

I’m sonic exe play my game

[craggy sparrow]

fuck your game

[noble falcon]

Upload sonic dot exe to the exo mech software

[split mortar]

Exo mechs vs the first sonic exe

[noble falcon]

Draedon might be done for fellas

[agile matrix]

demon from a fucked up reality vs robot whose entire field of study is “hm. thats neat.”

[fleet wedge]

Oh god it's five pebsi all over again

[strong notch]

i wonder how Draedon would react to Five Pebbles having ultra cancer (rot)

[fleet wedge]

He'd definitely want to study it

[noble falcon]

is Draedon a crypto bro

[pulsar trellis]

he can probably just mine as much bitcoin as he wants i dont think hes gonna be very fixated on it

[pulsar ocean]

Does draedon inflate ram prices

[strong notch]

nah

he makes exo ram

[pulsar ocean]

Could draedon mine infinite bitcoin with an exo pc that doesn’t require powering

[pulsar trellis]

he could probably crack the bitcoin algorithm and then just use a very small amount of processing to get unlimited bitcoin

[noble falcon]

All the crypto in the world
No one else gets any
Is that too much to ask?

It’d be super hype if calamity did a collab with some prebuilt pc company to make an exo themed Draedon gamer setup

[fickle rune]

About the ceaseless void is he basically just atomos from final fantasy?

[split mortar]

What is atomos from final fantasy?

[fickle rune]

Is a boss from ff, basically a living portal

[split mortar]

Remove the living part and thats cv

[fickle rune]

Oh ceaseless void is not a living entity ?

[split mortar]

Just a portal

It “fights” because the dragon cult put seven trillion spells to fight anyone who try to mess with it on it

Its planned to be reworked into a state where after beating the spells it stays and you enter then distortion through it iirc

[fickle rune]

I see so a magic ancient sentry turret

[split mortar]

Effectively yeah

[fickle rune]

Wait that's cool

[split mortar]

Calamity plans are cool
Sadly it will take a good while to get to the point most are a reality

[fickle rune]

I didn't know there were two subrworlds being created.

[split mortar]

Distortion is meant to be most of the post ml exploration iirc

Since well yeah whole ass sub world

[limpid saddle]

when do you guys think Calamity will be 'finished' (Dragon's Aerie & Yharim fight release)

[split mortar]

Give or take a year or two
2030

[limpid saddle]

if the patreon continues to grow steadily & there's no sudden December '22's i'd wager around 2035

[pulsar trellis]

calamity playerbase becomes the entire world population when yharim drops

[split mortar]

Reign of yharim comes out or yharim in calamity
Which one first

[pulsar trellis]

they get yharim to take over the world irl as a teaser to the final update

[noble falcon]

They should totally commission someone to make a Yharim armor suit cosplay and have a dev wear it for a release trailer

[icy veldt]

M43 maybe 💀

[noble falcon]

I can only imagine if I time traveled ahead like 5 years, we’ll have the Yharim fight along with the big reworks and resprites we know ab right now

And at least some other big content

[pliant ruin]

roy mention while i was asleep

[dusk laurel]

rare cheese appearance

[young socket]

rare vanillin appearance

[noble niche]

haven't been here in a while

is there a lore reason why I can't find a boyfriend?

[thick slate]

have u tried getting obscenely drunk and calling people you know

[feral skiff]

have u tried getting obscenely drunk and calling people you know

[pliant ruin]

the year is 8402 there are no boys left. or girls. youre the last surviving human and youre living in a cave eating slugs

[feral skiff]

yeah but did they try getting obscenely drunk and calling people they know

[thick slate]

no girls

why not

[feral skiff]

they weren’t strong enough to survive

[astral coyote]

🤨

The girls will be ok

[astral coyote]

Have you tried looking around

Or like

[long bloom]

going outside

[astral coyote]

Going to school or a job

Finding where the gays hang out

[noble niche]

guys I got really drunk but I drank so much that I can't remember step 2

[astral coyote]

Ohh gotcha

[astral coyote]

So basically text all your friends and maybe one will come over

Or two

[noble niche]

instructions unclear, I have texted everyone

all people

[astral coyote]

Ok great that works

[noble niche]

that nitification you just got? that was me

[astral coyote]

Then you just sit on the floor and eat cheese with them till you pass out

[noble niche]

instructions unclea-

[low lily]

Cap

Both would not be ok

[astral coyote]

Your bio tells me that your opinion doesn't matter

[low lily]

What does my personal beliefs have to do with anything

😭

[astral coyote]

Idk why does this hypothetical matter

[low lily]

It doesn't but you had to bring my personal beliefs into it

I ain't gonna bring yours up cause I don't care so you shouldn't care about mine

[pliant ruin]

Guys this is not lore discussion 🦭

[long bloom]

hai choese

[late forge]

ok when did they change the lore

[long bloom]

come discuss bladecrest line

[pliant ruin]

hi Snailrook woke tag

[long bloom]

february 2023

[pliant ruin]

Around a few years ago by now yeah

2023

[late forge]

last i checked dog devoured yharim’s men and now yharim discovered him in the distortion

[low lily]

Agreed, no idea why my beliefs were brought up 😭

[late forge]

thats new lore?

[long bloom]

neither of those are true

[late forge]

so they retconned it

[pliant ruin]

DoG devouring Yharim's men is not new lore no

That's old

The entire lore was rewritten in 2023

Like, all of it

[late forge]

who did it

[pliant ruin]

From the ground up

[long bloom]

if u wanna get the new lore, you should read the cool introductory doc

in pins

[pliant ruin]

Nobody

[late forge]

is it in pins

[long bloom]

yuh

[late forge]

i liked old lore ngl 😭

[pliant ruin]

Nobody devourer Yharim's men because there is no incident of Yharim's men getting devoured that is of particular importance to the lore

You can ditch literally everything you knew about the mod's story out of the window if it's before that time

[late forge]

yea i was under impression its been the same

holy shit i had no idea

[long bloom]

new lore is way peaker trust me

[late forge]

ill be right back then

[long bloom]

"right" back

[late forge]

“the heartlands is the name of whatever the world is” primordial dragon gods from the lands of “2d minecraft”

[noble falcon]

i named my world Epic Spaghetti
Yharim is a real trooper waging war in a land with a name like that

[late forge]

so yharim hypothetically was in tilted towers

[noble niche]

guys I just woke up can somebody tell me why I have missed called from 831,956,139 people????

[pliant ruin]

by all means

if you want

you can make it so the world is canonically named ohio

[hybrid barn]

Y'know, this might be the first time I'm seeing someone here with that role

[pliant ruin]

or well, the continent

the world's named terraria. guess you cant really change that

but you can name the continent ohio

or new york

[noble niche]

yeah, couldn't tell you how I got it but like its been here for years

[pliant ruin]

or brazil

[noble niche]

I streamed for like 5 months fucking forever ago and somehow wound up alongside actually competent content creators

[pliant ruin]

i'll get the role eventually

eventually

actually could i get it right now

i don't know the sub count needed

[noble niche]

there was a sub count?

[pliant ruin]

I assume there is or else any random bum with 2 followers could theoretically get the role

[noble niche]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[pliant ruin]

funnily enough however. as a moderator i don't know which one it is

[noble niche]

I just think nobody tried except me

and now the livestreams channel is dead and berried so nobody else really can get it

[hybrid barn]

I'd vote for Cheese getting the role

[pliant ruin]

i have like 80 twitch followers or something thats probably en ough

[noble niche]

I am the first and last person to just stumble into the livestreamer roll

[noble niche]

-# that's like twice the amount of followers I have

[pliant ruin]

lmao

[feral skiff]

naming your world “The Heartlands” should make the game more difficult

[astral coyote]

What's the aerie supposed to look like

[pliant ruin]

We dunno

[pliant ruin]

like the frisk name in undertale

[feral skiff]

yup

[astral coyote]

Theory craft with me

[noble niche]

cambridge idaho

I'd know, I've been

[astral coyote]

Is the aerie where yharim chills

[noble niche]

it's where he broods

there's a difference

[astral coyote]

My bad

Does he have a castle

[noble niche]

he's too hung up on his dark and twisted past to "chill"

[dusk laurel]

nope

[astral coyote]

What kinda stuff do we know about the aerie

[noble niche]

he's got a studio appartment with gamer lights and joker posters tho

[astral coyote]

Vague size and stuff

Okie dokie

[hybrid barn]

We know it's pretty autumny

[dusk laurel]

i wrote this down for aerie things we know

[astral coyote]

Excellent ty

[noble niche]

hey but if you ever wanna get wrong lore answers, you know just the ploo to ask

[dusk laurel]

🔥

[astral coyote]

Ty

[pliant ruin]

-only auric dragons and attuned persons can enter (theory)

hey that's my theory!

[astral coyote]

So it's big sky island, there's some place yharon rebirths dragons, it probably looks old, very durable, has a grave of light

Does it have trees?

[pliant ruin]

maybe

it could have

we dunno

personally i like to think its a very

[astral coyote]

If you had to draw it what would it look like

[pliant ruin]

ahem

serene forest of sorts

[light linden]

it's also possible that it's a weird time paradox thing

where its stuck in time

[pliant ruin]

Very peaceful place that is very pretty and without any sort of major threats or anything like that, since compared to the Distortion that is more of a full explorable dimension wiht enemies, resources and biomes

[astral coyote]

Mkay

[dusk laurel]

thunder i wrote that down already

[pliant ruin]

Aerie is more of just, a place to fight the final boss in

[astral coyote]

Mkay so big pretty island

Would it have structures? I assume so

[noble falcon]

you know the music going up to the final arena is gonna be good

[pliant ruin]

Well the dragons lived there

They were like

[hybrid barn]

Kind of an addendum to this for my interpretation, maybe it's more that auric dragons and attuned persons are able to gatekeep the aerie, which would explain how you'd be able to enter (presumably) only after beating Calamitas and the Exo Mechs, Yharim lets you in once you've run out of heights to reach before him

[pliant ruin]

a whole ass society of fully sapient individiuals

So there probably would be some sorts of structures

[astral coyote]

Hm okay

What the fuck structures do dragons use

[pliant ruin]

good question

like houses and st uff probably

[noble falcon]

really really big bird bath i have to guess

[pliant ruin]

what a dragon house would look like? dont know man i aint a dragon

[astral coyote]

What kinda architecture would dragons ise

Hm

I'm thinking big ass pillars

[pliant ruin]

I like to think mock-attunement lets you enter the aerie

Purely because this goes into my headcanon for how god of war got there

[astral coyote]

Vaguely Roman maybe

[pliant ruin]

Which i think is very in character for him

[hybrid barn]

That makes sense, it just begs the question of how you could get there yourself

[pliant ruin]

Kill a random ass auric dragon. why? felt like it. but damn, i'm already a god. well, i guess i can use his auric soul for something else., proceeds to mock attune with it. oh hey, i can go in the aerie now. time to kill yharon. why? felt like it.

This does imply that the player could go into the aerie just by wearing auric armor and also that the god of war had some form of auric gear though which

is a pretty big hole which i feel like is why its probably not entirely correct

but it would be really funny

[astral coyote]

What is auric bars/material

[noble falcon]

you gotta pass the drip check to get into dragon world

[pliant ruin]

some sort of metal related with auric souls and by proxy auric dragons

we do not know anything else

and well of course

all the attunement/rejection stuff

which you can actually see ingame

[hybrid barn]

That's why I think it's more like the dragons and ascended persons are admins essentially, anyone can enter regardless of status, but they have to be allowed in by someone with free access if they don't have it themselves

[astral coyote]

Hm

[pliant ruin]

yeah i can see that

[astral coyote]

Would the aerie have auric ore on it

[long bloom]

possibly

[dusk laurel]

idk maybe

[astral coyote]

Okie

[pliant ruin]

basically all questions you can ask about the aeriecan be answered with "idk"

[astral coyote]

Probably some kind of tough dragon material too

[pliant ruin]

likee we really don't know much about it right now

[noble falcon]

when i think of what the aerie could look like, i get similar vibes to the space you fight The Radiance in

[long bloom]

we know pretty much fuckall about where auric actually comes from

[astral coyote]

Yea ik I'm just trying to make a pretend picture of it in my head

[dusk laurel]

idk the aerie doesnt feel very dream realm to me

[noble falcon]

not like a dream space, just the heavenly and bright feel

[hybrid barn]

I mean, it's heavily implied that it's a result of auric soul pieces fusing into the earth, but I don't know if it's confirmed per se

[long bloom]

i've never heard this before

[pliant ruin]

Yeah i dunno about that one

[astral coyote]

Very uh profaned light

What's it called

[pliant ruin]

We know it's related to Auric Souls in some way

[astral coyote]

Huh okie

[long bloom]

primordial light?

[astral coyote]

Yes that

[long bloom]

or the profaned flame

ok

[noble niche]

awesome light

[long bloom]

primordial light is effectively just sunlight

[astral coyote]

Ty ploo

[noble niche]

np <3

[long bloom]

but you can kill people with it

[hybrid barn]

It makes the most sense with what we know so far, considering that it only first appears after Yharon is defeated, and we also know that Yharon shaves away pieces of his soul when he fights you (hence the yharon soul fragments)

[pliant ruin]

Primordial Light is Magic Sunlight because in Calamity Mod the Sun is Really Magic

[long bloom]

except it's not made of mana

unlike stars

stars are made of mana

[dusk laurel]

doesnt auric ore just appear whenever a dragon dies

[long bloom]

but the sun isn't

because it's not a star

[hybrid barn]

I don't think we know that for sure

[long bloom]

i've also never heard this

[pliant ruin]

The implications of Yharon's soul fragments literally generating enough auric ore to fill a entire continent's cave system with it is

Yeah

[hybrid barn]

And it seems unlikely, since there'd probably be some auric still lingering around from the previous hundreds to thousands of dragons that were slain

[astral coyote]

Hey he's got a big ass soul

[noble falcon]

i like the player's lore being whatever, because it means i can make yharim canonically die by smacking him like a million times with a breathing reed

[long bloom]

this is true

[pliant ruin]

cant use the emoji anymore

fuck my life

[dusk laurel]

which one

[pliant ruin]

you

[dusk laurel]

[pliant ruin]

thats the one

[hybrid barn]

Honestly, considering it's Yharon, I wouldn't be surprised if he just had a shit ton of energy packed into his soul

[noble falcon]

honestly, whoever finds the funniest weapon to beat Yharim with will be the canon one in my book

[long bloom]

paper airplane

[noble falcon]

oh thats really bad

[long bloom]

or lawnmower

call it

wait does sparkle slime balloon do damage

[astral coyote]

Waffle pan

[long bloom]

the floor mounted snowball cannon

[noble falcon]

sand gun

[astral coyote]

Just sand no gun

Suffocate him

[noble falcon]

sadly no, but you could pair it with a wand of sparking

wait wait, ive got it
nothing but the cactus armor's thorns damage

[hybrid barn]

Sometimes I still manage to be surprised that paper airplanes exist in the game as a weapon

[long bloom]

rotten eggs

[hybrid barn]

Considering they just...suck as weapons

[pliant ruin]

i think paper airplanes aren't really meant to be weapons as much as they're just a fun little vanity thing like kites or beach balls but then they decided to also make them deal 2 damage because eh sure why not

have fun killing moon lord with that

[long bloom]

kill yharim by despawning him with 1,000 beach balls

[pliant ruin]

its like the lawnmower

[noble falcon]

pearlwood bow is a good one
its not comically weak but such a nothing weapon

if i showed up to yharim's house with a yharon mask do you think hed be mad at me

[dusk laurel]

im perplexed

[noble falcon]

like the boss drop one

[dusk laurel]

uh

tbh not really/depends what your intentions are

he knows yharon left to fight you

he knew youd probably kill him

and he knows that even if yharon survived or revived a decade later he would already be really close to dying of old age anyways/dead

[noble falcon]

i guess that makes sense
im trying to think of the loadout that would be the most irritating to him

[normal mantle]

I think it’s pretty funny how yharim isn’t actually unique in how strong he is

there are like 5 beings that we know of that are around his level

[split mortar]

True

[pliant ruin]

I mean dunno if i'd say that

There's like only 4 other guys that are stronger than him yeah and ht at's like

Liyterally in the entire world

I'd say that's still pretty unique

Specially when you consider that 2 of those are otherworldly horrors from the glupshittium dimension and the other one is like, you know

god

and then there's the terrarian who's just weird

just like you're weird because

haha

get it

get it haha.

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

You seem actually annoyed

[noble falcon]

Scoog will pay for his transgressions

I have an idea
Go to the aerie during the day
Kill a prismatic lacewing while Yharim is doing whatever intro stuff he’s been rehearsing for ages
Try not to get hit before he does

[split mortar]

Calamity makes day empress not oneshot

[noble falcon]

I forget that, it’s just easier to remember it that way
Still not a bad option

[split mortar]

So we gotta do dungeon guardians

[noble falcon]

That works

It’s my terrarian, and he will bring all the boss summons to have them fight Yharim in very cinematic fashion

[pliant ruin]

i dont have a terrarian oc or anything of the sorts but i stand by the idea that

hello, permafrost. hello, calamitas. i need your assistance.

i require 500 cryogens.

cryogen army vs yharim ensues

[split mortar]

Calamitas asking calamitas for help

[noble falcon]

Me rebuilding the codebreaker in the aerie
“Hello, Draedon? I don’t suppose you have any mechs to spare? Lotta data to be had today.”

I’m certain the aerie will have old ones army no build/destroy rules
Which is a shame bc it’s a fun picture imagining Yharim trying to look all badass on the big chair I’m certain he has while I set up an altar of the accursed, codebreaker and the Astrum deus & golem summoning stands in his house

[feral skiff]

why didn’t draedon clone yharim to fight the terrarian? is he stupid?

yharim > calamitas so therefore it’d be more difficult

[hybrid barn]

Come to think of it, I wonder if cloning tech even interests him, considering that he's only done it once (as far as we know) and only at the request of Yharim

[split mortar]

No attunement with yharon and so the clone will succumb to age before reaching the same peaks

[hybrid barn]

He was more gung-ho about making the plague than he was about that

[feral skiff]

yharon clones

500 trillion yharons???

500 trillion auttunements???

unstoppable godseeker DEATH ARMY????

[split mortar]

Auric souls are not genetic so wont work

[noble falcon]

I’d like to see the Yharon clones stand up against my stack of 9999 dungeon guardians summoned through alchemistnpc!

[agile matrix]

why cant the terrarian ask calamitas and permafrost to make another cryogen that we can control like a cryomechoganol

[scenic olive]

yharmic energy ahh type of shi

[split mortar]

Whats the lore for chlorophyte denying god essence

[young socket]

its silva essence and silva is life so and those are dead god essence so it repels them duh

[pulsar ocean]

is it really renewable if there’s a finite amount of dirt

[young socket]

dirt is renewable through dirt bombs

[pulsar ocean]

🤓

Actually that’s qol and it breaks balance so it should get removed in sso like everything else

[young socket]

youre not funny

[split mortar]

Cant you also shimmer stone into dirt

[pulsar ocean]

was I trying to be

[cloud ibex]

it's annoying regardless of if you were trying to be or not

[spark gulch]

Wood to sand to dirt

Infinite wood

Therefore

Infinite chloro

[fleet wedge]

Removes your hole face

[thick slate]

removes ur mouth

good luck screaming

[normal mantle]

Braelor, statis probably, calamitas, the exo mechs & Draedon by extension, and the terrarian. I mean it’s still obviously a big deal but it’s kinda funny how this dude who literally shaped the current world has a very achievable level of power 😭

[thick slate]

hi freak sigmatra

[split mortar]

Proceeds to list one in a billion strength characters and then draedon
Yes
All of these are very acheivable

Totally

[young socket]

having jeff bezos' net worth is very achievable! after all, mark zuckerberg and elon musk also have a lot of money!

[split mortar]

True

[fickle rune]

Is there lore about the invasion events in general ? Like even the Christmas and Halloween invasion events ?

[split mortar]

Pumpkin and frost moon are among the content not considered by the writers when they write lore
Martians are from mars which got destroyed somehow, someone prob has a theory on that but idk who
Pirates want your money idk feels bit self explanetory for them
Idk the goblins
Eclipse enemies fall under references and so not considered but eclipses are??? Idk confusing
Celestial pillars seemingly served as a portable army for moonlord when it invaded the dragons? Missing lotta info on ml and pillars so could be wrong tho

The snowmen are uhhhhhhh
Idk
Permafrost got drunk and made the snowmen mafia yep totally real lore here

[normal mantle]

compared to the terrarian 😭 some people from the pov of yharim beat his strongest associates in under a week 😭

[split mortar]

The terrarian is uh
Not a good argument

[mighty zenith]

the terrarian is arguably an even bigger anomaly

it's hard to seriously call them "just some guy" with the amount of insane shit you can do

[normal mantle]

Yeah but it’s still funny thinking about it from the perspective of other characters, like this guy that’s not even noteworthy in any way at the start, goes ahead and upends most of the world, finished the job the dragons couldn’t with moonlord, and beats down yharims strongest subordinates, some of which are compared to him power wise 😭

[split mortar]

-# killing eoc or king slime is enough to become a local legend

[craggy sparrow]

My terrarian just fell down the rabbit hole after killing eoc

he was supposed to just kill it and have enough money to live the rest of his life in peace

then he thought to himself

"If i kill more wouldn't i get so fucking rich"

then he found the labs

after that its just this guy holding all of this knowledge about universe lore

[spare pier]

Squid

[craggy sparrow]

now hes just trying to wrap it all together in his mind while calamitas throws a book at him

poor guy

could make his life better

but im not that type of writer

[craggy sparrow]

this is so true

[split mortar]

Fun fact the squid kenya mentions is referenced as the squid but really really strong here
Calamari

[mighty zenith]

camari

kenya 🔥

[craggy sparrow]

Depending on the ending the mod will eventually have

ill either make him retire extremely traumatized

[split mortar]

Yharim fucking dies

[craggy sparrow]

and jaded

or kill himself

afterwards

[craggy sparrow]

Hey yharim i have this big ass sword

and im gonna stab you 67 times

[split mortar]

For my terrarian they will have to deal with the fact that they werent able to bring themselves to kill xeroc (wounded to near death by noxus) despite being a heavily anti god character

[craggy sparrow]

My terrarian acknowledges the genocide before and wanted to kill all of the gods themselves though as the story goes on he found out its more nuanced than just "all gods bad"

He treats everyone like a normal joe now like talks to godly beings or god adjacent like a normal person

i made it also to be a bit of a coping mechanism as he cracks jokes

just so he could have a sense of being normal

despite himself almost not being human at this point

[split mortar]

Idk how much my terrarian will be capable of speaking since
The horrors of sacrificing almost all your physical mental and soul just to get stronger fucks them up

At least later on

[craggy sparrow]

kinda treating my terrarian like dmc dante now

[craggy sparrow]

They are becoming a machine

whose whole existence is to kill

[split mortar]

Partially (heart gets shot iut by artemis and thats the explenation for draedons heart)
Also part moonlord and polter

[icy veldt]

Hmm, maybe my Terrarian could be a disillusioned veteran of Yharim's crusade, who dropped out/went AWOL before it ended (well before Permafrost dropped out, too) due to realizing that all of the talk of "hope and justice" was no more than empty rhetoric, but then he got to watch it smash up most of civilization anyway, teaching him that "right or wrong doesn't matter, violence is the ultimate decider"

Then over the course of the game, his goals go from "loot and plunder" to "kill everyone as punishment for failing to preserve the Gods", to the point that he sees Providence as a competitor/rival and not an enemy/threat

[final bison]

shit my lore is that the terrarian is the consequence of yharims actions manifested and theyre sole objective is to undo all of the damages or deeds done by yharim

then ultimately kill yharim themself

[craggy sparrow]

I think im gonna incorporate a "despite everything its still you" into the ending to my terrarian if i decide a good ending for them

[final bison]

i think that at the beginning of its journey

[craggy sparrow]

Im also going to rob yharim crib

and steal his J's

[final bison]

the terrarian had no clue what to do or where he came from

[craggy sparrow]

hit the image

[final bison]

but gradually as he read more and more of the bosses whispers aka lore items

[craggy sparrow]

kelpie

[final bison]

he realizes their objective and becomes apathetic and zealous

[normal mantle]

wait how does the terrarian actually percieve the whispers?

i think itd be funny if he just kills stuff and then yharim notices & beams the words into our heads

[split mortar]

Hey so guess what thats the case rn

[abstract hedge]

The presentation isn't canon I don't think.

In the future it's planned to be some old communication orb you find that Yharim talks to you through.

I'd rather the lore items just be removed but whatever.

[normal mantle]

i mean its already pretty bad but without the whispers yharim would genuinely be a campfire story or smth 😭

the whispers are the only direct thing we have on yharim

[abstract hedge]

You do know that could change?

[dusk laurel]

stone

[abstract hedge]

Like characters mentioning him, environmental stuff (like graves mentioning those who died in the war against him), etc.

There's much better ways of storytelling than to infodump every time you kill a boss.

And with the new presentation I'm worried it'll become draetalk 2 where you get a massive wall of text when you ask about something.

[abstract hedge]

Like look at what fables does with the graveyard and Nautilus dialogue, you get a good amount of info but it's still left mysterious and it's not a random item you get for beating nautlius or scourge.

[dusk laurel]

the main reason why the whispers give us all of this information is because the writers didnt have anywhere else to put it at the time and the whispers can serve as a temporary place for it before they can add alternative sources of information

[abstract hedge]

Tbe placeholder has become permanent by now.

[split mortar]

Even tho you have mentioned before they are
Gonna
Be replaced
So
What

[dusk laurel]

what a fruitful debate

[abstract hedge]

They'll still be a very similar thing

[split mortar]

Similar does not mean same

[abstract hedge]

It's a better presentation but at the core it's still Yharim giving you everything you need to know (biased but still) for killing a boss.

Yharim being an unreliable narrator is a great idea but I'm not a huge fan of the implementation.

[dusk laurel]

maybe because hes the only source right now?

[abstract hedge]

Lore items are okay existing for now I just think it'd be better to fully remove them once you can get the story elsewhere instead of making a replacement that is a very similar thing that just has a better presentation.

[dusk laurel]

this mod is very unfinished and i dont see why the writers cant change things to make the narrative and story better just because the current implementation isnt good

[split mortar]

Without the whispers then like yharim loses a lot of impact

And with the rock then many whispers will probably be changed since they wont be locked to getting info from boss kills

Like biome whispers being when you enter a biome

[dusk laurel]

youre going off the assumption that there will be minimal changes to how yharim interacts with the player and that other sources and worldbuilding wont also take stage

[young socket]

theres also the fact that this isnt a one or the other situation

both non yharim and yharim stuff is being worked on at the same time

[dusk laurel]

^ this

[split mortar]

^^

[abstract hedge]

Yharim could be given impact through npc mentions, environmental stuff, and such. Like a graveyard mentioning those who died in the war against him, old battlefields, etc.

[young socket]

for example amidias not only is going to be talked about more, but his presence and dialogue will be given more focus

making it a more clear source of lore that is explicitly anti-yharim

[abstract hedge]

I just don't think that making him infodump to you is the only way to give him impact.

[abstract hedge]

Yeah isn't he gonna be our main pro-god lore source?

As a counterpart to Yharim being very anti-god.

[split mortar]

Calamitas
Permafrost
Amidias
All will be given dialogue trees in sso

[dusk laurel]

whos to say that anything like this wont happen, like we're getting a ton of npc dialogue and new npcs in the future, and the devs arent shying away from worldbuilding with ruins and structures

[abstract hedge]

Yeah but the other two are more neutral right?

[dusk laurel]

amidias, braelor, statis, probably the sunken sea ghosts, who else are potential pro-god sources

[split mortar]

Why would perma be neutral to the guy who groomed his daughter into nuking a place

[abstract hedge]

Neutral towards gods not Yharim

[split mortar]

Ah

[dusk laurel]

melon gun cant read

[abstract hedge]

Don't worry I can't either.

[split mortar]

Internet literacy rate joke here

[mighty zenith]

i found

[abstract hedge]

I feel like Calamitas would be too jaded and depressed to care, plus she'd have seen (and killed) plenty of gods both good and evil. Permafrost would be against Yharim but also know not all gods were good people.

[dusk laurel]

i mean its kinda weird to make clean cuts on pro god and anti god

amidias acknowledges that everyone hates providence

[split mortar]

Specially when providence exists

Yeah

[dusk laurel]

and i dont think hed be fond of dogma or war either

[abstract hedge]

Well everyone hates provi that's kinda her thing

That's literally where she got her title from.

[abstract hedge]

I meant more as in like for the existence of gods or not in general, obviously someone could be against them existing but like some that were good or want them to exist but hate providence and the god of dogma and such.

[dusk laurel]

i see

in that case i feel like most characters either dont care or think gods are allowed to exist

[pliant ruin]

The yharim whispers suffer from the fafct they're one of the only sources of lore in the mod

As a concept they're not bad i don't think, because they're not meant to be just like

exposure central

they just kinda end up as that since there's not really much other lore in the mod

Their ultimate goal isn't to be that

[dusk laurel]

🪤

[pliant ruin]

It's to be 1. A way to characterize Yharim 2. To show Yharim's attempt at manipulating you

Once more lore avenus are added to the mod and they're redesigned from Evil Ass Lore Item to THe Stone i think that's mostly resolved

Looking at them as infodump exposures is looking at them the wrong way

because that's not their goal, they just end up as that due to the lack of basically everything else

remove them from the game entirely and you're essentially removing Yharim's entire arc and presence as part of your character's journey

[split mortar]

Yhrock

[abstract hedge]

It should be the Xerock instead

[pliant ruin]

the naming of "lore items" that theyre often reffeered to also dosen't help

because it gives of the idea that ooo these are the Lore Items you get the Mod's Lore from them

[split mortar]

No wrong evil no more bones for you

[pliant ruin]

what the fuck does that mean

[split mortar]

This is to this

[dusk laurel]

melon gun what

[split mortar]

Removing fos bones

[pliant ruin]

oh

[mighty zenith]

yeah i hate it

[split mortar]

Not even called lore items anymore theyre whispers or well yharim whispers

[mighty zenith]

it clouds people's interpretation of yharim, he tells the story therefore he's right

[split mortar]

Yharim stop whispering its weird

[pliant ruin]

ingame they're not really called anything in particular

but the community collectively just refers to them as lore items

[split mortar]

Refers to em as whispers on high

Or something

[pliant ruin]

because for a really long while and , even now, mostly

[mighty zenith]

they're vaguely called whispers

[pliant ruin]

they were literally the only source of lore

its ok

stone phonje will save us

save us stone phone

[mighty zenith]

yharim just kinda talked shit back then

[dusk laurel]

wow you killed a plant congrats

🔥

[pliant ruin]

yharim trashtalking us for killing plantera for no reason

[split mortar]

Crab and mushroom love tale or whatever it was back the

[pliant ruin]

like actually no reaosn

[mighty zenith]

half of the lore wasnt even anything and the other half was exposition he should know nothing about

like okay how does this man know that providence existed at the beginning of time

[pliant ruin]

wikipedia

[mighty zenith]

tru...

[dusk laurel]

half of the lore wasnt ever gonna be ingame 💔

how is anyone supposed to know why uelibloom exists back then

[split mortar]

Yharim downloaded wikipedia into his brain in old lore

[mighty zenith]

how was anyone supposed to know who tf statis is

or daedalus

or braelor

or silva

or

[split mortar]

Bwawawawa

[dusk laurel]

its heartwarming to know that the lore was going to be rewritten either way if 22 happened or not

[split mortar]

Does bloodmoon change the taste of the moon

[dusk laurel]

hungry as ever i see

[split mortar]

True thi

Genuinely wondering what the implications of chlorophyte being anti god essence entails

Since it appears post wof

[dusk laurel]

clearly its the world spirit trying to put the world soul back together

[split mortar]

Truly

[dusk laurel]

"i will put you back together"

[mighty zenith]

he's here he's there he's every where

[hoary cape]

That's a theory just a game theory

[cosmic zenith]

Could you elaborate, and also, how else do you intend to represent present day Yharim?

[split mortar]

Day yharim?

[random mulch]

Present day

[split mortar]

Ah ok

Dumb brain

[cosmic zenith]

Not really how it'll work

Not to mention that you know character mentions and environmental stuff can coexist with the ""Yharim lore items"", right

[hoary cape]

Yharim on his way to spread misinformation

[abstract hedge]

I just think having items that tell you something's lore isn't a great way to present it. I know they're planned to not have as much info in the future which I think is a good plan, but they're still kinda just items that tell you things. It is difficult to present a character you can't really interact with (which is where the phone stone could do well, but I think it'd be best to have those as more of a focus on Yharim than telling you lore like the current ones), but I guess there could be something like npcs mentioning more recent things Yharim has done like someone mentioning him retreating to the Aerie and his empire crumbling, or encountering small remnants of his forces that really show the state both him and his empire are in.

I am glad the phone stone is replacing the whispers though, I may not love it but it's probably a better way to do it than fully removing them if you want to focus on modern Yharim.

Sorry for the wall of text.

[cosmic zenith]

Oh, no, the wall of text is very much welcome

I agree that they should focus more on characterization than lore infodumping, the unique characterization angle they provide is (imo) the best (and dare I say, almost only) argument in favor of keeping the item long-term

[abstract hedge]

Yeah I agree that the only reason to keep them is for Yharim characterization.

If there wasn't a focus on his present day character then there wouldn't be a point (like how fables doesn't have them and isn't focusing on present day Yharim).

[split mortar]

We are in the lore channel this is infact encouraged when its on topic

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah
I'm really wondering what Fables will focus on, it seems to be going for a much less centralized approach (which is ironic, given the size our lore is taking)

It's really refreshing to see, and they appear to be doing really well in terms of storytelling

[abstract hedge]

I believe as of now they're focusing on Sunken Sea stuff (such as with the refugees they showed off yesterday)

I believe they're gonna have a lot more minor characters, what with Nautilus and the aforementioned refugees.

• The ghosts

[cosmic zenith]

Are they gonna have ghosts as well?

[abstract hedge]

There already are some unnamed ones at the desert graveyard.

Not sure if there'll be any in the sea itself but they probably will have some.

I think Amidias is also gonna be in the mod but it's kinda up in the air if he's still alive or not (I'm betting he is but we're not sure).

[split mortar]

Calamity copying fables allegations
If those happen im gonna start biting peoples devices

[abstract hedge]

We actually don't even know what the Sea Kingdom is called in Fables funnily enough.

From what I can tell Fables has more of a focus on specific characters and storylines with the quests and such (specifically Nautlis and Draedon as those are the only two named quest npcs so far).

Also the LL update will have a few new questlines start but we don't know who or if they're even characters based on calamity ones.

[fleet wedge]

What does LL stand for?
Also where was Draedon named in Fables?

[random mulch]

Lapis Lazuli, see the roadmap in the fables server

[abstract hedge]

Lapis Lazuli update, the update after the Sunken Sea (+Levi). Draedon is just named Draedon, no reason for him to be renamed.

[fleet wedge]

I mean where was he mentioned

[random mulch]

The roadmap.

[dusk laurel]

draedon is also in the roadmap yeah

[abstract hedge]

It appears he'll be taking a much more active role than in cal.

Btw the Primeval Nucleus is redesigned Slime God.

SG but tadpole.

[dusk laurel]

i see it more like a pufferfish

[fleet wedge]

I see

Is that raven boss a redesigned Dragonfolly?

[dusk laurel]

i doubt so

[abstract hedge]

not a boss

The bird is just an enemy iirc.

[dusk laurel]

that too

[abstract hedge]

Dragonfolly won't be coming to fables.

[fleet wedge]

[abstract hedge]

neither will calclone, exo mechs, old duke, and plagebringer.

[fleet wedge]

Okay I see
I've confused him with the Crabulon icon

[fleet wedge]

Okay this makes sense

[dusk laurel]

fables is basically if you gave the pre22 calamity art devs full creative freedom with the mod

[abstract hedge]

Also aquatic won't be a boss iirc

[dusk laurel]

so alot from the original cal is just not gonna be in the mod or completely different

[noble falcon]

We know there’s gonna be new bosses though, we already have one with the soldier guy

[abstract hedge]

Nautilus

[noble falcon]

Yeah him

[abstract hedge]

Also the future bosses are so redesigned they're barely even cal bosses.

Like deus won't be a worm

[dusk laurel]

.

[manic coral]

This IS all planned and being worked on, but yeah

You are correct

To be blunt sunken sea overhaul taking so long has

NOT helped perception of the story

since what's in-game currently is kinda barebones

A fact I am constantly made all too well aware of

My general opinion on what is currently on the mod is

Very much dissatisfied

[abstract hedge]

I forgot, what's in SSO part two again? Seems like part one has pretty much everything except some npc dialogue stuff.

[split mortar]

I dont know a many who are satisfied with a lot in the mod

[split mortar]

Hardmode

Hm content

[young socket]

sso part two will have seatizen shadows alongside sunken sea hms content and also crabulon

[manic coral]

I have been not happy with various things for quite a while

[abstract hedge]

Oh right crabulon

[manic coral]

Things have been looking for up for a while though, so

[abstract hedge]

Crab has needed a rework for a while now.

[split mortar]

Go my vanilla ai (mourning wood) with my vanilla projectiles (basic hm shroom bulb projectile)

[abstract hedge]

Go my green bee

Go my golem 2

[split mortar]

Dragonfolly being mothron

[split mortar]

Fabsol gone 🎉

[manic coral]

nothign i have said here related to fabsol actually

but

that too ig

[split mortar]

Fair enough

[leaden bridge]

It's technically a Primeval Nucleus

ifykwim

[cosmic zenith]

Neither have I
Both in terms of the current execution of the mod's lore, and with the current state of the mod's development in general

It's ghastly that we're taking so long to progress and making so mamy mistakes along the way

[feral skiff]

calamity mod has a community of 200,000 people and like millions play the mod

so you’ll almost certainly be fine no matter what happens

[abstract hedge]

It's funny two of the bosses are literally called calamity with two letters changed in the mod called calamity.

And one of the bosses is just the main antagonist's name + dragon.

[split mortar]

Yharim named after the bloodborn city yharnam iirc

[mighty zenith]

draedon is named after a pokemon gym leader called drayden

[noble falcon]

Crabulon is called that bc of his favorite warioware character Orbulon

[pliant ruin]

ok but crabulon is one of the few old calamity names thats actually good

crabulon is a good name

like if i could go back in time to change yharim and yharon to not be named that i would

but id keep crabulon

cnidrion is probbly one of the most egregious ones

because its literally just. cnidarian. like jellyfish

so you made a sea creature

called cnidrion

after cnidarians

aka jellyfish and anemones and such

[young socket]

SEA HORSE!

[pliant ruin]

............. and you made him a sea horse

hey guys

this is my new creature design

its called gorilla

do u like it

[young socket]

yep! excited to know what youre gonna name it...

[pliant ruin]

actually it wouldnt be gorilla

itd be like

primate

thats a more accurate analogy

yep

this is my creature design, primate

[young socket]

wow !!!!!!

[dusk laurel]

simian

[pliant ruin]

they should name thre snow biome mammoth primate

[normal mantle]

lets analyze why the avatar of emptiness slimed out grandpa duke

[dusk laurel]

what

[long bloom]

addon mentioned in lore discussion, ban imminent

[noble falcon]

Draedon booting up his moon lasers to fry the non-canon

[split mortar]

Merry christmas

[long bloom]

crimbs

[night barn]

for why ❓

i think these are fine names

is it just because of the random yhar prefix

bc i think in isolation they're good names

all a name really needs to do is fit the tone and be memorable

[noble falcon]

Plus I doubt the majority of people aware of the characters get the two confused

[leaden bridge]

yharon and yharim are fine really

we dnt mind it

really the worst thing about them isnt rlly the names but rather the fact its just stolen from darksouls or whatever

[abstract hedge]

I don't really like the name Yharon but Yharim is fine imo.

[leaden bridge]

yeah its fine frankly

[abstract hedge]

I'm interested to see what fables is gonna call Yharon cause iirc they're giving him a different name.

Cause it's just Yharim + dragon.

[oblique magnet]

Yharon do sound like dragon but with Y

[abstract hedge]

The faithful Yragon

[oblique magnet]

Nuggetful*

[abstract hedge]

He won't be nugget for much longer

Actually he probably will be depending on how long it takes to animate the sprite.

[oblique magnet]

DoG casually getting his redesign yearly:

[abstract hedge]

It's to counteract Yharon taking 8 years.

[noble falcon]

Yoar of the Yrungle Yragon

[abstract hedge]

How much I wish we could've gotten the Iban DoG...

[oblique magnet]

This sound gooby dooby

[abstract hedge]

I guess we will eventually once fables adds DoG...

So like a decade.

[dusk laurel]

false information

[oblique magnet]

I haven't try fables

[manic coral]

while it is a cool design, it doesnt fit him at all imo

[leaden bridge]

can you believe we had to go hunt for the dev statement about fables yharon not being called yharon we didnt remember

[noble falcon]

That can be the renamed godseekers
The Goobydoobies

[leaden bridge]

im a fables tester you guys can't be beating me at thi

[abstract hedge]

It's fun you should.

[oblique magnet]

It's not really an information

More like a joke

[abstract hedge]

Yeah it doesn't fit cal too much but that's cause distortion has like 0 water theming or anything that resembles that version at all.

[oblique magnet]

That DoG get so many redesign

[abstract hedge]

DoG has gotten like 2 redesigns

[dusk laurel]

thank god most people ive seen say that actually believe in it

[abstract hedge]

A lot of fight reworks though.

[leaden bridge]

fables dog isnt really waterful

[spare pier]

TH3R3 4R3 3 W4T3R B1OM3S W3 DONT N33D TH3 4L13N WORM TO 4LSO LOOK 4QU4T1C

[leaden bridge]

well we guess they are but in like a very vague way

[abstract hedge]

Destroyer 2 to crystal looking thing to modern.

[manic coral]

i do not play fables so i have no idea what its up to

it would be cool to tyr but like

[noble falcon]

We should bring DoG back to the original design that’s like purple destroyer

[leaden bridge]

cuz it's like, hes an eel made in abyss axolotl thing, but it goes more into alien biology than it does aquatic themes, it's jsut those two are closely related because aquatic creatures are alien creatures

[manic coral]

i dont want to do accidental subconcious plagurism

[young socket]

says the person who wanted to use all devouring narwhal as a reference for deus

[abstract hedge]

And calamitas can be eye of Cthulhu and we can bring back the scrapped skeletron 3.

[noble falcon]

Which of the calamity bosses would steal Christmas

[leaden bridge]

we think it does! but this comes down ultimately to what interpretation of the chracter you favor

[spare pier]

B3C4US3 1TS 4 FUCK1NG 4L13N M4J3ST1C CR34TUR3 4ND TH4TS TH3 3NT1R3 FUCK1NG PO1NT OF D3US

[abstract hedge]

The devs cause they decided Christmas ain't canon.

[noble falcon]

Not what I asked

[leaden bridge]

iban's vision for him fits fables very well ultimately so its very swell

[spare pier]

ACTUALLY FUCK YOU TSUKI YOU ARE SUCH A COLOSSAL BITCH THAT I'M SENDING MY FIRST MESSAGE HERE

FUCK YOU

https://tenor.com/view/dog-middle-finger-meme-funny-gif-27240133

REBECCA MITOSIS

[manic coral]

oh for sure the devourer

[manic coral]

wonderous

[manic coral]

ok but that's not an interpertation of the character that's just a different character

[noble falcon]

How the Devourer Crunched Christmas
Can we get that as the update trailer

[manic coral]

i'd assume

[oblique magnet]

Yharon bc he will make the snow go away

[manic coral]

given fables' nature

[oblique magnet]

And no more christmas

[abstract hedge]

Yharim cause he'd say it has subliminal pro-god messaging in it and it encourages people to be happy and compassionate rather than genocidal tyrants.

[leaden bridge]

well yes ? but not really because it was conceptualized for base calamity

well itll have changes so also not really

[spare pier]

I NEED A NAME AND AN ICON

[leaden bridge]

but like the design's basics

[spare pier]

I ANSWERED THE WRONG MESSAGE

FUCK

[leaden bridge]

reminder that the current ingame dog is a flat character and that's all iban really had to use

whatever you think dog is we assume is informed by your dog lore that did not exist

[abstract hedge]

I'm guessing DoG of all things is staying relatively similar to cal unlike say, leviathan or calamitas or such.

[leaden bridge]

not meaningfully

besides thematics largely

and like very barebones thematics mind you

because, well

[noble falcon]

What would cause his auric tesla heart to triple in size?

[manic coral]

i do need clarification here, did not exist or does not exist?

[leaden bridge]

did not exist back then when iban made the dog design

[spare pier]

DID TUNDRA

[abstract hedge]

A god worshipper gifting him a cool new set of armor.

[manic coral]

ok cool

[spare pier]

YOU WEREN'T A WRITER

[manic coral]

just so i knew which thing you were talking about

[leaden bridge]

yeah yeah

[manic coral]

either way i do agree

[leaden bridge]

so like yes fables dog and current cal dog are different characters but we'd still call them interpretations of like, dog the concept that calamity has carried for 8 years

[manic coral]

i've made it clear that i'm unhappy with how little is actualyl in-game right now

valid

[manic coral]

like earlier today

[long bloom]

what are we lore discussing

[leaden bridge]

which is where the design thing comes in

[abstract hedge]

Dog n fables

[noble falcon]

“Maybe Christmas,” he thought, “doesn’t have to mean war.”
“Maybe Christmas… means a little bit more.”

[manic coral]

speaking of i should get back to writing so i have all my big projects finished up im going to go do that and stop gettign distracted hopefully

[manic coral]

to make it clear i mean DoG being a bit flat in-game right NOW is also a valid take

which is why i was confused

i think boths things are kinda true

[leaden bridge]

well yeah he only has his dialogue which is just what hes had for ages but without the 14 year old

[manic coral]

what no proper update like almost 2 years does to a mf

[abstract hedge]

This is all the lore rewrite's fault

It's no coincidence 3 months after the rewrite was the most recent update and no major one since.

[leaden bridge]

its true! tear down the lore! tear down the characters! tear down the

[pliant ruin]

it's because they're the exact same name with two letters changed yeah
And like calamity notably has a thing where most of the major characters names have to be justified through being some sort of title because they make no sense as actual names 😭

[spare pier]

I'M KILLING ALL OF YOU

UNIRONICALLY

[dusk laurel]

rude

[pliant ruin]

yharim and yharon having like the same exact name
calamitas being called Calamitas
the ice wizard being called Permafrost

[leaden bridge]

ok but yharim and yharon work fine as names

[quartz pier]

What in the dev happened here

[young socket]

they work fine individually

[leaden bridge]

it's shit lie calamitas and permafrost that is unjustifiable as a name but justifiable as a title

[abstract hedge]

Yharon I don't love but Yharim is fine.

[pliant ruin]

yharim and yharon are fine standalone

its just

[young socket]

but when you have two characters so closley linked with near identical names.

[pliant ruin]

yeah 😭 😭

[leaden bridge]

the only reason yharon yharim feels weird is because you have to name one after the other

[manic coral]

i have over 12k words of stuff ive written backlogged not able to be implicated

[young socket]

i cant count how many times ive seen people mess them up

[manic coral]

and to me clear

emphasis on "i"

[young socket]

simply too many

[manic coral]

this is not stuff reb and stip have worked on

just me

which i have made the most but

[pliant ruin]

people use the wrong name for the character when it comes to those two. unsurprisingly often

[abstract hedge]

It's kinda too late to rename calamitas without everyone getting angry.

[pliant ruin]

oh no i'm not suggesting a rename because renaming any of these characters would be a horrible idea

[quartz pier]

John calamity

New name

[night barn]

i honestly don't think this is a terrible thing
on the nose maybe but it just relates them in a way that i think is fitting enough

[pliant ruin]

it's why i said i'd go back in time if i could, but not that i'd rename them now

[abstract hedge]

That wasn't specified to you I just was talking in general.

[manic coral]

yeah no its why i didnt

[quartz pier]

Yharim: oh shi i gotta name you

Uhhh

Uhhh

Yharon?

[pliant ruin]

because renaming any of these characters now would be disastruous

[manic coral]

i thought about it for 5 seconds

and then went

[night barn]

yeah rename is a bad idea

[manic coral]

"yeah no"

[night barn]

but honestly naming conventions are a fine thing

look at elden ring

[quartz pier]

Imagine the name just being a spur in the moment thing

[pliant ruin]

yharon wasnt named by yharim

[abstract hedge]

It's fine for a new project like fables or such but definitely not for base calamity which is almost a decade old.

[long bloom]

yharim named himself after yharon

[pliant ruin]

thats a whole ass Hundred Year Old Something Fully Sapient Man

He isn't Yharim's pet

[long bloom]

2,000+ years old

[pliant ruin]

by hundred year old i mean like centuries. not actually hundred year old he's way older than hundred year old

bad wording o nmy part

[noble falcon]

If Yharim would be the one to steal Christmas from the land of Terraria, how would one disguise Yharon as a reindeer for the ruse

[night barn]

doesn't need to be

[noble falcon]

Wait, better idea
He has Draedon make an exo sleigh

[leaden bridge]

yharim's real name is Jonesy

have fun fortnite fans!

[abstract hedge]

Yharim didn't name him at all...

[long bloom]

[night barn]

he could've just taken a yhar name after they became like best bros

[pliant ruin]

There already is a lore justification for why they're named like that and it's just that Yharim named himself after Yharon

and it's a fine lore justification

[abstract hedge]

Yharim named himself after Yharon yes.

[pliant ruin]

it's just weird that like

[night barn]

so that's fine

yhar could also just mean a thing

[pliant ruin]

basically every major character in the mod needs a justification for why their names are like that because none of their names make sense as names

[manic coral]

and then there's permafrost who's just like

[pliant ruin]

and it's a byproduct of just john calamity 200 years ago not putting any thought on the names

[night barn]

they really don't need justification tee bee h

[manic coral]

"Yeah what about it? I think it's funny."

[night barn]

people can just be named things

[pliant ruin]

no i think

[manic coral]

"I like being called that"

[long bloom]

i would be fine with a permafrost rename tbh

[leaden bridge]

im ice cold!

[pliant ruin]

i think you really deo need a justiifcation when the Ice WIzard is called Permafrost

[night barn]

like names can be used for lore stuff but they definitely don't have to be

[leaden bridge]

permafrost's real name is frosty frostman

[night barn]

elden ring has a convention for everything

[abstract hedge]

Amidias and draedon have good names at least.

[night barn]

everyone descended from a different consort has a different letter

[manic coral]

fuck im getting distracted again

[night barn]

and that's fine

[pliant ruin]

Amidias and Draedon are fine yeah

[tame pewter]

He's named Ice Cube and he composed some awesome gangsta songs like crazy

[night barn]

that's just how it is

[manic coral]

ok bye

[abstract hedge]

So do the 3 strongest beings and they all have the exact same name structure.

[night barn]

bye bye say!

[quartz pier]

Welcome to ADHD autism

[noble falcon]

Lore justification for the frost legion:
Permafrost teaching little kiddo Calamitas how to make magic constructs and it got way outta hand

[leaden bridge]

draedon is named draedon after drae which is the elfic word from engineer and don which is like megalodon fortnite

[pliant ruin]

no the lore for the frost legion is that you owe the italian mob money

they sent them after you

[plucky juniper]

what the fuck happened here

[pliant ruin]

this isnt up to discussion

[quartz pier]

Autism

[noble falcon]

Almost
The first half is right, but the don is derived from don cheadle, who plays him in the movie

[abstract hedge]

The lore for the frost legion is that my brother believed I was lying when I mentioned they exist.

[plucky juniper]

sounds about right

[tame pewter]

when you owe the snow cartel 2 copper coins

[pliant ruin]

me when i name my infant daughter Calamitas for no reason at all becasue i fucking hate her im evil as shit i hate her

fuck you infant daughter

[noble falcon]

Really Terraria just has a bunch of different peoples of all shapes and sizes, no reason psycho snowman people can’t be out there just existing

[pliant ruin]

naming my son Doom D. Despair

like luffy one piece but evil and fucked up

[leaden bridge]

the movie was cancelled precisely because the lore would've been broken, you're an idiot if you ignore the ways the zero point has connections to the world soul, you're literally a fake fan

[night barn]

i think yharim naming himself after yharim is strange

didn't he already have a name

[night barn]

YHARON

[leaden bridge]

it was jonesy

[abstract hedge]

Naming my others catastrophe and cataclysm.

[pliant ruin]

Yharim changed his name in honour of Yharon

[night barn]

naming himself after yharon

[long bloom]

yeah but he hated it since he was a slave in a cult

[eager bluff]

holy shit jupir is BACK

[abstract hedge]

Yes but he named himself after Yharon cause he felt like it.

[long bloom]

he got a new name as he was reborn like yharon was

[leaden bridge]

it gave him aura and hype genocides

[long bloom]

true

[night barn]

i see

[abstract hedge]

Then permafrost, and my favorite child shall be noxus who definitely isn't evil as fuck.

[night barn]

not really a big deal

i think yharon naming himself after yharim would make a bit more sense but they're both plausible

[pliant ruin]

i love you cnidrion

[plucky juniper]

Naming my tulpa who i am planning to turn into a new god ruling over the universe via the founding of a new religion to supplant the world religions Xeroc

[leaden bridge]

let's talk about the ways the zero point parallels the world soul and how the calamity characters are possibly escaped loopers, 1/8765

[long bloom]

yharon is at least 1,900 years older than yharim

[abstract hedge]

My son jellyfish, he is a seahorse.

[pliant ruin]

cnidrions the funniest case of calamity names being kinda wack sometimes

[plucky juniper]

this is throwing me off so much rn

[pliant ruin]

new calamity boss Primate. the elephant

[abstract hedge]

Yharon is like 2k years old it makes way less sense.

[night barn]

y'know he could've just taken a new name after the rebirth

[pliant ruin]

new calamity npc. Crocodilian

[plucky juniper]

like, the part where these ancient entities are only reaching 4 digits in years

[night barn]

like yharim also already had a name

[pliant ruin]

and then crocodilian is a dog

[long bloom]

his name was dumb

[night barn]

and yharon is the one that actually was reborb

[leaden bridge]

cnidrion's wrong species legacy lives on in sir nautilus who's a grouper fish and dame grouper who's a nautilus

[pliant ruin]

yharon was reborn literally

[abstract hedge]

Which was given by the cult he now hated and wanted to get away from.

[pliant ruin]

yharim was reborn metaphorically

[long bloom]

yharim was metaphorically reborn

it's like good writing

[night barn]

i am aware

[spare pier]

ANY MORE IS ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY

[abstract hedge]

Signathion my beloveds.

[pliant ruin]

yharon probably had no reaosn to change his name because he took pride in his identity as he was

[spare pier]

WHAT DOES YHARON HAVING FIVE MILLION YEARS ADD TO THE STORY?

[plucky juniper]

history

[pliant ruin]

kill overdone

[spare pier]

BRO

[young socket]

the history: "yea i lived"

[spare pier]

HUMAN HISTORY IS LIKE

10 THOUSAND YEARS OLD

[long bloom]

terezi why screaming

[abstract hedge]

It doesn't add any history when there's 0 info about those 5 million years.

[pliant ruin]

overdone you will be turned into a elephant boss called primate

[leaden bridge]

is it, like it's strictly meaningless but it does strike us as a little funny that the entire History of the World takes place in around two thousand years when ours took absurdly longer than that

[young socket]

terezi screams

[spare pier]

I'M NOT TEREZI

[young socket]

simple

[pliant ruin]

you will be turned into a dog npc called crocodilian

[young socket]

oh ok

[eager bluff]

~300,000 years

[spare pier]

SEE?

[long bloom]

haguri why screaming

[dusk laurel]

is that rebecca

[plucky juniper]

okie

[eager bluff]

counting civilization yeah probably only 10-15k years

[dusk laurel]

wait nvm

[night barn]

yeah this is true

[abstract hedge]

Give me an example of any history from anywhere past 10k years, because the only one is "people existing".

[agile matrix]

counting or not counting

[spare pier]

THAT'S HOW LONG HUMANITY HAS BEEN AROUND

ACTUAL FUCKING RECORDED HISTORY IS WHEN WRITING WAS INVENTED

[night barn]

sumer is the oldest known civilization at like 7000 years old

[leaden bridge]

just our written history is round 6k years old

[eager bluff]

people existing

its not a lot of history but it is still history

[agile matrix]

what about dinosaurs

[eager bluff]

65 million years

[young socket]

they uhh realised u could farm n shit

[eager bluff]

give or take

[agile matrix]

trees

[plucky juniper]

okay how does this connect to yharon being 2k years old

[agile matrix]

?