lore-discussion

[pliant ruin]

#calamity-update-talk message

[dusk laurel]

no boss is good enough to not get any changes

[pliant ruin]

Here it is

[wanton pendant]

They better fix that damn ash hitbox, or better yet KILL THE DAMN ASH PILES!

[pliant ruin]

the fact CRABULON. CRABULON

was made. by someone

with a SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT DEGREE

is. thats insane im sorry

[wanton pendant]

I did not see that rant.

[gray flame]

Blue providence was just done to rip off EoL right?

[icy veldt]

This is what forgiveness looks like

[wanton pendant]

Crabulon's victory stirs below your skin...

[wanton pendant]

Predates her.

[cloud ibex]

sounds about right

[glacial rampart]

he what

no he doesnt

[pliant ruin]

crabulon is just the shittiest boss in all of calamity i think like almost objectively speaking and it perfect exemplifies why fabsol just. sucks

[cloud ibex]

fab saw that day empress was different, went "oh cool" and did a similar thing with prov

[pliant ruin]

idrm if it was exactly software development but he literally was a professional programmer he Studied This Shit

[light moth]

Okay, that is fair

[pliant ruin]

he has like

10 years of experience working on calamity

[wanton pendant]

Providence is mostly fine, he actually locked in for that one.

[pliant ruin]

and he actually studied coding on a professional setting

And he made fucking Crabulon im sorry What. thats. thats insane to me Help

[woeful hatch]

It's incredible how much more interesting infernum crabulon is than basecal

It doesn't even change THAT much but the changes it makes gives it such a coherent design, that learning how it worked was genuinely super satisfying

[glacial rampart]

🤥 < fabsol

[cloud ibex]

controlled thunk crabulon,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[light moth]

As I remember, Fabsol really rip off his hair while coding her
Not surprising

[icy veldt]

Most professional programming doesn't really involve coming up with creative boss fights

[gray flame]

I really didn’t like the spore projectiles so now I feel vindicated.

[pliant ruin]

It's not even just game design

Besides fab just being

a shitty game designer

[wanton pendant]

It does when that's your goddamn job.

[pliant ruin]

the fact this mf Professional Programmer with 10 years of experience

made a boss thats just

take a vanilla boss
remove its attacks
paste a vanilla enemys attack on it

is just

🪦

[icy veldt]

Was doing Calamity stuff his job, or did he have a day job outside of it?

[pliant ruin]

i have only started learning professional programming recently and otherwise i onlyt have a little over 1 year of c# experience under my belt and i could make a better bossfight in godot

😭

[wanton pendant]

You know where the Patreon money used to go?

[pliant ruin]

if you gave me time to learn tmod

[icy veldt]

Ahhh, I see

[pliant ruin]

yeah i probably could mkae a better crabulon

this isn't even meant to be like gassing me jup

up

because again i don't have That much experience i'm just kind of Decent currently

[icy veldt]

Got thrown off by the word "professional", I thought it was being used to mean "professional" and not "self-employed and paid by Patreon money"

[glacial rampart]

crabulon is literally minecraft modboy levels of nothing

[pliant ruin]

It's just that its insane that i could confidently say

That i could make smth better

[cloud ibex]

i think he did like

[pliant ruin]

with just a little over a year of experience
vs
the 30 year old with a professional record in programming nad 10 years of working on this mod

[woeful hatch]

Honestly the more impressive thing is how even as a software designer, Fabsol managed to make fights so badly coded that even as simplistic as they are, they run like shit, compared to objective more impressive and complex and cinematic bosses

[cloud ibex]

some odd jobs at the end of the year where he gathered wreaths or something like that

[pliant ruin]

no unironically it feels like the terraria equivalent of a mc creator thing

[cloud ibex]

but other than that no cal was his only source of income

[glacial rampart]

its novaskin.com the boss

thats not fair

novaskin is fire

[light moth]

Ahhhhh
Guys
How did we come from discussing lore to talking about Fabsol being stupid game designer?

[wanton pendant]

It's tradition.

[cloud ibex]

because we started talking about future plans

which inevitably turns into "why was it like this in the first place"

which very often turns into The Horse

[pliant ruin]

I had to vent out my spite towards the horrible crab

[wheat walrus]

f*bsol is the root of all evils

[glacial rampart]

that fucking crab that i hate !

that fucking crab that i hate that fucking crab that i hate
**that fucking crab that i hate **

WHAAAAT???!

[gray flame]

They were single-handedly responsible for Yharim’s atrocities.

[cloud ibex]

true

[snow mountain]

the fabsol yharim casting was spot on

[light moth]

Honestly, only after starting Infernum I started to understand that almost every boss in Calamity is mostly dogshit currently
Well, except Brimmy and Cryogen

[snow mountain]

infernum aint better tbh

[light moth]

I stopped at LaA
I don’t know what is expecting me further

[wheat walrus]

becoming crabulon rn

[light moth]

But for now, I dont see that much of issues

They are creative, a lot if them are goddamn cinema

[gray flame]

Ehh, they’re at least still fun unlike Eternity Mode’s utter crap.

[glacial rampart]

the hell is la a a

[snow mountain]

carcinization

[light moth]

Leviathan and Anahita

[wheat walrus]

greendeed

[cloud ibex]

i have good news

[snow mountain]

can someone make like a weird hybrid of human and horseshoe crab

[fallen kindle]

no

[wanton pendant]

I already saw that.

[light moth]

I see the problem only with CalShadow probably
And with Brimmy and Cryogen
The rest are good

[snow mountain]

call that shit horseshoe replacement therapy

[gray flame]

Hivemind is legitimately the most fun I’ve had in terraria.

[cloud ibex]

anyway lore discussion

[glacial rampart]

what is the lore reason behind crabulon being the way it is

[snow mountain]

drugs

[dusk laurel]

fabsol

[wanton pendant]

Mushrooms ate the crab.

Crab was near mushrooms because Yharim made a teenager kill Italians.

[cloud ibex]

bio-accumulation of fungal spores from mushroom consumption

[mighty zenith]

another celebrity lost to drugs and violence

[gray flame]

So Xeroc’s bored and looking for a fight, what does the Terrarian get out of it?

[wheat walrus]

killing you

[wanton pendant]

Mushrooms like to commit highway robbery.

[dusk laurel]

anyways yeah parasitic mushrooms started to take over the carcass of a hermititan

[mighty zenith]

a fight

[cloud ibex]

i don't think they're looking for a fight necessarily

[mighty zenith]

it's like goku rules

[snow mountain]

bro got druckmann'd 😭

[wanton pendant]

Shadowspec.

[cloud ibex]

they're just willing to have a friendly sparring match with you at your request

[gray flame]

Oh, the Terrarian gets to say they had a friendly sparring match with Xeroc.

[cloud ibex]

you will get to say that was fun yay yippee yayy

[pliant ruin]

i think the prospect of yharim trying to manipulate you into being their sucessor, failing, getting killed by you, and then you go on to become his archenemy's bestie is simultanenously very funny and also like DAMN.

[cloud ibex]

xeroc's proposal is inviting you into the dream blunt rotation

[pliant ruin]

(one sided) archenemy

[snow mountain]

FOR REAL

[pliant ruin]

bro has a parasocial rivalry with xeroc

he don't even gaf

[gray flame]

I don’t think he’s Xeroc’s archenemy when he’s barely on Xeroc’s radar.

[pliant ruin]

yeah

as i said

[snow mountain]

we're smoking that primordial aerie premium primordial light garden weed

[pliant ruin]

bro has a parasocial rivalry

😭

[snow mountain]

primordial *2

thats how you know he has the good shit

[wanton pendant]

Yharim Fought The Sun Theory alternate:
Xeroc just wanted to have a pint with Yharim, but Yharim's just a jerk.

[cloud ibex]

we're smoking primordial light in a glass pipe

[snow mountain]

primordial bong

[cloud ibex]

blowing the sun's bubbles

[pliant ruin]

xeroci s such a chill guy

i fw with him heavy

[dusk laurel]

i said this in another server but if those two ever got into a fight it would just be xeroc who is oblivious to the fight until yharim starts chucking rocks at him halfway through

[snow mountain]

xeroc just picks up sand and it immediately vitrifies into a bong

[glacial rampart]

xeroc is yharims archenemy and Xeroc is probably just like "eh hes okay "

[gray flame]

The idea that Xeroc didn’t even realize that Yharim was there to kill him is hilarious.

[pliant ruin]

xeroc is unironically like taht one monkey vs lion image

yharon fuckinjg Hates Him and wants him dead and hes just like

[dusk laurel]

truths

[wanton pendant]

'So you're the guy I've been hearing about? How's Yharon, it's been ages since I talked to him.'
Yharim:

[pliant ruin]

"oh yharon. we used to be highschool buddies. cool guy"

[gray flame]

Xeroc is the sun in 1000 lions vs the sun

[light moth]

I still dont get how Xeroc managed to become someone stronger than Fovos after consuming the soul of dragon, who failed to fully kill the same guy even having an army
Just because of so called perfect ascension

[cloud ibex]

"oh fuck did i water the garden this morning"

[dusk laurel]

this is what it would be if xeroc started to listen to what yharim is saying

[cloud ibex]

true

[gray flame]

Fovos was already injured

[pliant ruin]

It's

Not just because of that

[snow mountain]

i forgot how much i love this image

[magic epoch]

what happened to the 999,999,000 other lions

is that what xeroc can do in one second

[wanton pendant]

Lion population decline due to poaching.

[gray flame]

Yharon was hungry

[cloud ibex]

one thing to keep in mind is that all the dragons swarming ML actually worked in his favor, not theirs

[pliant ruin]

1. Strongest auric soul that has the power over primordial light (The thing that Zeratros had)
2. Already being strong as fuck as a human before ascending (Something Zeratros did Not have)
3. Training for hundreds of years after ascending (Zeratros was a bum and didn't have any need to train because he was so overwhelmingly stronger than everything else until ml showed up)

[light moth]

Yeahs, but Prime Fovos is weaker than Xeroc, isnt he?

[cloud ibex]

you know in multiplayer, ML's gets several tongues to heal off of multiple people at once?

imagine this but with hundreds of targets around him at all

[snow mountain]

bros got the lunar bite

rabies

[glacial rampart]

moon lord literally just went "ggs you're bad"

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[pliant ruin]

I like to think prime ml is not Much weaker than xeroc

Like still weaker to a degree where yeah

Xeroc would absolutely win a fight

[wanton pendant]

But like, he's really big.

[pliant ruin]

But it wouldn't be like

a complete mogging one could say.

it wouldnt be completely one sided beatdown

Xeroc would have to put Some effort in

[cloud ibex]

one of the big reasons ML could survive against the dragons is that he's so damn tanky

[pliant ruin]

I dislike the idea that xeroc would just completely obliterate ml with no effort personally, not a fan

[wanton pendant]

Fovos is like, so strong they can actually fight Xeroc and it would still be a fight.
Like, Yharim it would be a massacre if Xeroc actually wanted to kill him.

[pliant ruin]

I think in a fight between those two, xeroc would win, yeah, but it wouldn't be effortless

He'd have to lock in a bit

[gray flame]

Which is balanced by the infinite agro range making him really easy to juggle respawns.

[wheat walrus]

yuh

[magic epoch]

I don't think there were any respawns

[dusk laurel]

agreeable

[light moth]

I wouldn’t mind if Xeroc consumed Zerathros during Fovos attack and then beefed him to death

[snow mountain]

its like the clip of the guy losing a fight and coming out the bathroom stall again

[wheat walrus]

im fine w xeroc being the strongest but the idea of him being <<<<<<<everyone is kinda

yea

[cloud ibex]

yeah no i don't think xeroc would bother still working to get stronger if he could already wipe the floor with the strongest other thing the world has ever seen

[wanton pendant]

Yharon:
(Do you think the ten year thing applies to other dragons?)

[snow mountain]

can anyone +2 me

[magic epoch]

80% sure it does

[gray flame]

That’s why the dragons ended up dying, cause Yharon wasn’t doing his job properly.

[pliant ruin]

xeroc when moon lord comes back from death except thixs time he's a Bird

those who know...

[wanton pendant]

Big Bird...

[dusk laurel]

die

[cloud ibex]

i don't

😁

[wanton pendant]

I may or may not know.

[dusk laurel]

royrot

[pliant ruin]

the horrible fovosbird

[split mortar]

The only thing i think for xerocs strength is that yharim is just
No matter what
Fucked
Cant win
Even at peak of the crusade

[wheat walrus]

the older take on xeroc's strength being comparable/slightly under noxus but him being the better-skilled one and thus the strongest works best imo

[magic epoch]

Didn't fovos do like irreparable damage or something to the auric souls that they couldn't be rebirthed?

[pliant ruin]

melon is ur friend still over,,,

[pliant ruin]

yeah

[cloud ibex]

yes

[wanton pendant]

Everyone says they made him a bird, but nobody shows the bird.
Are birds real?

[pliant ruin]

It's why alot of dragons permadied

[mighty zenith]

xeroc when fovos comes back to life for a split second before getting caught in a pokeball

[pliant ruin]

during his attack

also wtf pemradied

permadied

[light moth]

What-?

[pliant ruin]

permafrost evil twin

[wanton pendant]

Lunar Bite moment.

[pliant ruin]

uses necromancy instead of ice magic

[split mortar]

Ok mark

[cloud ibex]

we'll get to know why once the devs are out of scope creep hell

[gray flame]

Zeratros should have just used the song of time to keep moon lord from destroying everyone.

[snow mountain]

meltwater

[wheat walrus]

in comparison, i disagree w the "everyone else in the verse combined may have a chance" take it's kinda a bit too absurd

[snow mountain]

meltsteam

[magic epoch]

permadeath

[snow mountain]

powerscaling sucks anyway

[pliant ruin]

I think terrarian + prime ml together would be able to beat xeroc realistically

[wheat walrus]

oh my god bruh

[pliant ruin]

Not to say

it'd be easy

And also realistically

theyd have 0 reason to team up

but just like, on a power level

[glacial rampart]

armored digger is the dealbreaker trust me !!!!!

[pliant ruin]

I personally think those 2 together would have a chance

[wheat walrus]

dang

[pliant ruin]

Atleast imo that'd be cool

[gray flame]

Xeroc should just equip us to go and beat Noxus.

[wanton pendant]

I think if all the big heavy hitters were compelled to cooperate they could beat Fovos at his prime again.
The bigger issue is that a lot of them do not like each other.

[mighty zenith]

poopershaving

[glacial rampart]

why would you fucking say that

[cloud ibex]

do you think xeroc ever teleports into the aerie because they needed to pick up something they forgot long ago

[pliant ruin]

fovos + terrarian i think could give xeroc a run for its money but like Yeah why would fovos work with Anyone Ever

Bro dosen't do "working together"

[split mortar]

Noxus or fovos with prep or offguard def could win
But yharim i dont think should be able to narratively

[pliant ruin]

he wakes up from his moon sael for the first time in idk hundreds of years

[cloud ibex]

and they see Yharim and go "oh hey dude sorry just picking this up bye" and leaves

[pliant ruin]

and his first thought is to throw hands with the guy who freed him

[wanton pendant]

'Hi Yharon, hi Yharon's friend.'
'WHO THE HELL ARE YOU!?'
'Bye Yharon, bye Yharon's friend.'

[cloud ibex]

and yharim is just seething with anger

[dusk laurel]

ultimate ragebait

[pliant ruin]

dude i love that

[cloud ibex]

xeroc constantly ragebaiting yharim on accident is a very good mental image

[pliant ruin]

xeroc ragebaits without even trying

😭

[split mortar]

[pliant ruin]

xeroc has no enemies

[snow mountain]

yharim's heterosexual life partner yharon

[sleek cipher]

Ew

[magic epoch]

heterosexual??

[split mortar]

Whaur

[gray flame]

I mean Yharon hates Xeroc’s guts too.

[magic epoch]

isee

[cloud ibex]

xeroc has no enemies it is other people who have xeroc as their enemy

[glacial rampart]

i like the idea that they are constantly accidentally ragebaiting

[magic epoch]

my misinterpretation

[mighty zenith]

he's like wander from wander over yonder

[cloud ibex]

☹️

[mighty zenith]

accidental ragebaiting

[wanton pendant]

Nothing gay about living with a man and being willing to die for them and dedicating your entire life to their cause and uniting your souls together.

[light moth]

Based.

[pliant ruin]

melon ............. are you free now ......

[snow mountain]

they hatted incattus because she told them the truth

[pliant ruin]

is ur friend still over at your place

................ç

wtf ç

[magic epoch]

this is what idid with ari btw

[dusk laurel]

cheese are you planning to kill melon

[split mortar]

Yes i must go now

[dusk laurel]

[split mortar]

Done with lunch

[pliant ruin]

oh ok

fair

have fun

[magic epoch]

🎩

[cloud ibex]

yes we know

[pliant ruin]

i want them to read my hidden secret evil roy lore

[wanton pendant]

Don't ruin the suprise.

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[pliant ruin]

SORRY

[wanton pendant]

Execution.

[dusk laurel]

right . . .

[cloud ibex]

we're boiling cheese

[magic epoch]

Kill.

[gray flame]

Oh no is Yharim a bard?

[cloud ibex]

public execution

[pliant ruin]

I'm still getting used to it ive been calling you Not them for a long while 😭

[magic epoch]

Yharim is evil

[pliant ruin]

GOtta internalize it

[wanton pendant]

I think he's a Pisces.

[pliant ruin]

melon gun is they them melon gun is they them kris deltarune kris deltarune

[dusk laurel]

i will SLAUGHTER you whole and butcher each and everyone of your molecules

[wanton pendant]

While they're blinded by their pronouns.

[magic epoch]

YOU decide the lord of the Yharim!

[pliant ruin]

it took me a while to internalize with dai too but ill get there

eventually

[magic epoch]

Why did my phone put lord?

[dusk laurel]

i didnt even realize melon was theythem until the gif started being spammed in that server

[mighty zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900322827570397245/1367867525378871326/caption.gif

[magic epoch]

this is like silksonf

[dusk laurel]

WHY DO I KEEP FORGETTING TO TYPE THE WORD REALIZE

[wheat walrus]

anyways my disagreement here isn't from a place of ohboohoo silly scaling debates, that'd be kinda, it's just not very fitting for xeroc to be 1000 steps ahead of everyone imo, especially when he already starts showing concerns on Yharim's growth

Xeroc being so far ahead of everyone that he nodiffs everyone individually and would need every major character in the verse to be stood against would invalidate all of that so much, because why would Xeroc care about Yharim's growth to the point of doubting himself if he's that far ahead, it also completely invalidates threats like Noxus and ML cause at that point why didn't Xeroc come in and obliterate them

I prefer Xeroc being at the spot where they are through a combination of power and skill, with beings like Noxus and Fovos being possibly even more powerful, but Xeroc having an edge on them through mastery; that to me is far more fitting, it still validates those 2's threats and also validates Xeroc's concern over Yharim's growth as he isn't that far ahead of everyone else to the point where Yharim is miniscule

rare moment of me getting invested in a topic beyond memes byea :p

[pliant ruin]

i was also gonna show cei and reb my evil hidden lore but theyre asleep

unfortunate truly

[split mortar]

Wha server

[pliant ruin]

need to get the input of the 2 jane calamity lores on my fanmade calamity mod fangame dialogue

[mighty zenith]

give me plans

feed me spoilers

[glacial rampart]

show me

im a cool girl too

[dusk laurel]

cheese tell me all subject lore and nothing will happen trust

[wanton pendant]

You know, that server.

[pliant ruin]

are you

1. a roy developer
2. a calamity lore writer
3. azzy azathot
4. melon gun

[wanton pendant]

(I don't actually know.)

[pliant ruin]

These 4 get roy spoiler privileges

[mighty zenith]

tell me all subject lore so i can secretly replace them with natasha

[wanton pendant]

Tell me it'd be funny.

[gray flame]

So 10 years later when Yharon returns, is he gonna attempt to murder the Terrarian for revenge?

[cloud ibex]

cheese tell me your secret family shrimp bioscotti recipe and you will be reborn as a lotus flower

[snow mountain]

5. incattus

[mighty zenith]

maybe

[magic epoch]

i can't believe you'd call azzy thar

[wanton pendant]

Who knows.

[mighty zenith]

or he'll give up

[glacial rampart]

ummm noo but im acool girl

:D

[wanton pendant]

He's got ten years to mull it over.

[mighty zenith]

theres no way to know really

[pliant ruin]

roy developer because Duh. calamity lore writer because i mean yeah having the input of the actual calamity writers for roy lore is helpful. azzy because shes my wife i tell her everything. melon because theyre in the roy dev server for no reason other than itd be funny

[snow mountain]

roy insinuates that yharim is the junjile tyrant

[pliant ruin]

melon isnt even a dev theyre just There

[snow mountain]

king of the junjile

[magic epoch]

[snow mountain]

but still social, and with it

[cloud ibex]

server mascot

[mighty zenith]

i think so too

[dusk laurel]

melon is the zoo animal sometimes

[fleet wedge]

I'll be taking that

[dusk laurel]

yes tell me that im the terrarian thankyou

[wanton pendant]

Tell me the dev secrets so I can monopolize the fanfiction market by releasing like fifty on release day.

[wheat walrus]

melon alw getting privileges,,,

[wanton pendant]

What do you mean fanfics don't make money!?

[dusk laurel]

as we all know melon gun would NEVER share any super secret lore with anybody

[snow mountain]

melon gun whispers to me

in my sleep

something about

the terrarian... being...

you

[magic epoch]

YOU decide the lore of Me.

[cloud ibex]

you are now gone

[snow mountain]

edgehog

[glacial rampart]

is technically the plot of that game

[wanton pendant]

Damn, you're right.
There's a joke in there somewhere....
Uh...
Wait, I know!
The Terrarian is... all of me.

[gray flame]

10 years to write a new musical number.

[pliant ruin]

theyre like one of the most iconic individuals from lore nation theyre gotta

top 5 lore nation users i think

the lore ethnostate

lorean empire

[wheat walrus]

they

[pliant ruin]

FUCK

[split mortar]

What th fuck

[wheat walrus]

haha

:p

[cloud ibex]

we're boiling cheese again

[abstract charm]

fraudrim having to fight the torch god instantly loses

[cloud ibex]

public execution 2

[pliant ruin]

dude i swear to god

i keep fucking thisup 😭

melon add a big THEY THEM to ur nickname so i remember

[dusk laurel]

melon is the founding terrarian

[wheat walrus]

they/the m

[pliant ruin]

i was even being a ctually nice to melon this time like thats rare for me

we usually just kill eachother

[split mortar]

I did that in sscls and people still did that i think

[pliant ruin]

melon gun they them. melon gun they them. melon gun they them

internalize it gggggggggggggg

[dusk laurel]

people are evidently calling you lea because the nickname so

[abstract charm]

torch god outscales fraudrim due to complete invincibility (just like the jellyfish)

[pliant ruin]

torch god carbon monoxide induced hallucination theory

[abstract charm]

jelly fish & torch god > fraudrim (neg diff)

[cloud ibex]

it's true

[dusk laurel]

sir what are you saying

i dont recognize these words

[abstract charm]

both can go immortal

completely

torch god is always immortal and resides in all torches

[pliant ruin]

yeah i can also go immortal completely

[abstract charm]

jelly fish can go immortal at will

[pliant ruin]

its not a big deal

🙄

[gray flame]

Would honestly check out. No other being in calamity makes reference to a "torch god" aside from the terrarian themself.

[split mortar]

So if i burn a jelly fish its still alive?

[abstract charm]

if its in water, always bet on the jellyfish

[split mortar]

Torch god is up to you

[pliant ruin]

placed too many torches

breathed in too much carbon

go a little crazy

[split mortar]

Jelly fish when i drop the sun on it

[wanton pendant]

Where am I in the lore ranking?

[pliant ruin]

get trauma and make sure to never do that shit ever again (torch gods favour)

[abstract charm]

it simply goes invincible

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas:

[pliant ruin]

it goes invincible randomly for like 2 seconds and then it dies

jellyfish r frauds sorry

[pulsar ocean]

In my canon torch god is up to melon gun's interpretation

[abstract charm]

fraudmitas cant even go invincible

simply a jellyfish upscale

[wanton pendant]

...she can.

[pliant ruin]

wow wow look at me im a jellyfish

i can go invincible for 2 picoseconds randomly

[abstract charm]

as long as there are

PROJECTILES

[pliant ruin]

ok dude i can kill you with a iron broadsword

[abstract charm]

but the jellyifhs

just needs water

[pliant ruin]

stop gassing up ur fraud theyre not all that

[wanton pendant]

Wow Sepulcher and the Brothers are very strange looking projectiles.

[gray flame]

Just imagine the Terrarian showing up to meet Xeroc and going, "so who's the torch god" and Xeroc's like "what torch god?"

[pulsar ocean]

You can kill fraudlamitas with an iron broadsword it just takes longer

[pliant ruin]

well i guess it makes sense actually the users name is king of frauds

fair enough

[cloud ibex]

i mean yeah they wouldn't know every deity in existence

[pliant ruin]

does xeroc know about the humble goddess of chains or perhaps the humble god of gold

jokes aside though yeah i dont think

he knows about all or even most gods honestly

he seems pretty

like

Not In The Know about wtfs going on on earth

earth/terraria whatever you call it

[gray flame]

The fact that Yharim makes no refrence to the torch god tells me he isn't real, cause Yharim wouldn't let one slip.

[pliant ruin]

I imagine they know the most influential and commonly known/really fucking Old ones

such as providence

[wanton pendant]

He saw glimpses of our journey at least.

[pliant ruin]

or silva

but idt he'd know about like

[dusk laurel]

def knows abt silva

[pliant ruin]

slime god. or silva.

what

not silva

tyrian

why did i say silva

brain fart

[dusk laurel]

😭

[cloud ibex]

silva is probably one of the few they do know about

[pliant ruin]

divorce theory

[abstract charm]

torch god > fraudroc

[gray flame]

The idea that a being would consume an auric soul and then proceed to only care about torch placement is hilarious though.

[cloud ibex]

the writers are leaving it ambiguous whether it is an actual god or not so it's possible

i had to stop myself from saying the lore of the torch god is up to you for a second there

[gray flame]

I mean in calamity canon the bestiary is written by the terrarian right? Cause they named the mech bosses.

[cloud ibex]

no

it's not written by any character

it's an omniscient outer perspective

[abstract charm]

torch god from bosses as npcs

[pliant ruin]

it being written by the terrarian wouldn't make much sense given the entire point is taht theyre a blank slate

and a bestiary written from a characters pov is usually done

as a way to further characterize them

(see silksong and hornet's bestiary per example)

[gray flame]

We know from Draedon that they named Miracle Matter and the Mech bosses.

[cloud ibex]

yes we get the bit thank you

moving on

[pliant ruin]

Yeah them having funny names for things is like

The one bit of characterization they get

Which, honestly that's pretty funny

The terrarian is a completely blank slate save for their very specific tendencies at naming things. that part is not your choice. everything else is tho

[pulsar ocean]

xeroc after he realized moonlord was 1 and a half years old in moonlordian years 💀 💀 💀 (he's cooked)

[gray flame]

It can also be assumed that they name every crafted weapon.

[pulsar ocean]

who else would name a weapon that doesn't deal any damage to the planet "universe splitter"

[split mortar]

Rot

[pliant ruin]

rp rot 😭

[pulsar ocean]

Torch god is up to torch god's interpretation

[eager bluff]

torch god is you or something idk im not Rotted

[pulsar ocean]

g

[wanton pendant]

An excuse to talk about Pikmin!

[pliant ruin]

what a calamity

[magic epoch]

old ones..?

like the army..?

[wanton pendant]

Maybe the Dungeon is defended because of them.

[pliant ruin]

Two

[icy veldt]

(

[woeful hatch]

This is the next step

[inner pasture]

Did the people of Vernal Pass live with the Lizhards?

Or were they just neighbors?

[woeful hatch]

Different people iirc

[pliant ruin]

I don't think there's much explicit confirmation of who the vernal pass fellas were but i think they were separate from lihzahrds yeah

just 2 diff civilizations living in the same area

makes sense with how lush and full of natural resources and life the jungle is

assumedly at this point the lihzahrds werent as unhinged because they hadnt been locked away inside of their temple without contact with the outside world and stuck worshipping a rock for god knows how long

witch doctor being actually mostly Normal and being the only lihzahrd we meet who's. not stuck inside of the temple

yeah says alot i think

[magic epoch]

I hate how I can tell this is an edit of mine because the shirt is fucked up

[real silo]

witch doctor when I put them in the desert

🥪

[magic epoch]

😂

[gray flame]

Well we also know that the Terrarian has weapon smithing capabilities rivaling or maybe even surpassing Draedon.

[light moth]

Guys
Especially lore guys
I have a question
If eventually under some drugs and a bunch of copium the Calamity lore was rewritten in a way that most characters lost their definitely morally questionable aspects (like, Yharim being a racist, child soldier user and extremely radical or Draedon not enslaving different types of creatures and creating clones without any consent) - how would you look at it?

[gray flame]

I mean that could vary wildly on the actual quality of the story.

[wanton pendant]

Like, is everyone black and white in morality or is everyone friends now?

[light moth]

No, I mean if characters basically didnt have something you could dislike them for

[wanton pendant]

That doesn't really clarify.

[magic epoch]

That's just entirely subjective on what people would dislike then for

There's so many things that could make you dislike a character, even good things

Like "they annoy me because they talk too much"

[light moth]

I am asking this for a reason that
Like
I saw the other Au, not related to terraria
And then I saw the rewrite of this Au, whose purpose was to remove everything controversial from it
Where no one of characters could be enslavers, racists, genocide leaders etc

[cloud ibex]

sounds kinda boring

[light moth]

And for some reason it got more popularity than the og

[pliant ruin]

I mean

If you took away every negative quality from calamity characters then thats just

a perfect world where nothing goes wrong and everyone is friends

its not even calamity anymore atp

[cloud ibex]

part of why draedon is cool is that he's exactly as likely to do evil shit as he is to do good shit

the only thing that matters to him is scientific progress

[pliant ruin]

goodbye mr breast

[wanton pendant]

Close enough, welcome back Calamity Highschool AU.

[split mortar]

Mr breast again

[pliant ruin]

I mean honestly yeah the way you could make it work would be turning it into like a silly slice of life comedy

aka calamity highscool au

[cloud ibex]

if you convinced him that solving world hunger would be a good study of human society or some nerd shit like that he would probably be like "I see." and then just Do It

[pliant ruin]

😭

On that same note if you convinced him Killing All Babies would also be a good study of human society or some nerd shit he would probably be like "I see." and then just Do It

[light moth]

Yeah
Like, some people just do not realise that our world is obviously perfect
And they dont think that not every character in fiction has to be flawless and lack anything questionable
And any attempts to do so is….. like, what?

[wanton pendant]

I also think making it so that villains don't do villainous things is... nonsensical.

[cloud ibex]

to be fair

[feral skiff]

is this an inside joke or an actual thing

[cloud ibex]

you can have stories without straight up villains

[gray flame]

Yeah, which makes me kinda wish we could track him down and eliminate him because he is a threat to innocent people.

[wanton pendant]

We spent hours in R&D on it.

[cloud ibex]

but a story without any kind of antagonist would be boring

[wanton pendant]

You can, but it'll take a while.

[cloud ibex]

draedon is like

[light moth]

I would explicit what Au I I mean
But damn, it is not terraria related and extremely underground

[wanton pendant]

You see, Draedon is on the block chain or something.

[cloud ibex]

maybe the second hardest character to kill in the story

[gray flame]

Behind the Terrarian?

[cloud ibex]

second only to xeroc because xeroc is just that strong

[cloud ibex]

no

[pliant ruin]

themes like genocide or slavery are only "controversial" to have imo if theyre handled like Shit

example

[gritty kraken]

What if draedon die and made an alternate reality where it’s all rainbow and sunshine for everyone like deltarune

[cloud ibex]

the terrarian is way easier to kill than draedon you could probably shoot them in the back of the head while they're chilling or something and that would most likely get them

[pliant ruin]

every isekai ever where the whiteboy mc goes to fantasy land and gets a Human Woman as a slave because. well when in ancient greece do as the greeks!

[wanton pendant]

Well, the Elementals are harder I'd say.
At least Xeroc can be killed by killing them, it's just hard to do that.

[cloud ibex]

okay true he's behind the elementals too

[pliant ruin]

but if you're clearly portraying bad things as Bad and are putting actual Weight behind them

[light moth]

But basically
Imagine Calamity
And then imagine rewrite of this, where Yharim is not a radicalist
And then imagine that this thing is more likeable by the community

[pliant ruin]

And clearly are actually educated on the topic to be able to handle it respectfully

[cloud ibex]

but to kill draedon you would have to scour the entire planet for each and every one of his likely countless backup servers

[pliant ruin]

I mean whatever that was

Was it actually done well in the source

Like the themes of genocide racism slavery etc

[wanton pendant]

What, does Yharim just like, become a bee keeper?

[pliant ruin]

Or was it just there because Yeah and it felt unecessary and edgy and/or was it done by a character that we're supposed to have Sympathy for or something

[gray flame]

Modify a clemintaminator.

[light moth]

No
But it is very on the background and given not that much of attention

[split mortar]

Draedon can like
Fight back yknow

[pliant ruin]

There are a few themes i think, should generally be avoided in most writing unless you make sure to let the reader Know that They'll Be There and if you do have them you gotta handle it with alot of Respect and Maturity but yeah

[wanton pendant]

Or are we going with that he crusades but he only kills the evil gods and never does anything wrong ever in his life.

[gray flame]

Also the lore is in game filtered through a decidedly unreliable narrator.

[split mortar]

Except bestiary thats truthful and reliable

[wanton pendant]

Except that one entry that I hate.

[split mortar]

That was a genuine mistake from the lore writers

[gray flame]

He admitted that the Exomechs were the pinnacle of his creation and we beat them.

[wanton pendant]

We need to feed them to piranhas for it.

[gray flame]

What’s the bad entry?

[split mortar]

Supreme calamitas has an incorrect date of how long she was under yharim iirc

[split mortar]

Yeah but it can still slow you down if you can even destroy draedon faster then they make new servers and such

And idk why a clentaminator would do anything to draedon

[gray flame]

I picked it cause the bit about scouring the world for him reminded me of tracking down the last bit of world evil.

[gritty kraken]

what if you use astral infection thing and spray it all over draedon servers

[woeful hatch]

Well, presumably he does have clentaminators of his own

But that's an interesting scenario

[pliant ruin]

gray solution

spreads draedon biome

[split mortar]

Thats possible but draedon would prob focus on how to negate the astral

[gray flame]

He ripped off the steampunker’s work?

[pliant ruin]

I mean idk if the steampunker specifically invented it

[woeful hatch]

I mean they're probably not too complicated for him, he seems familiar with the technology and everything

[pliant ruin]

She might just be a manufacturer

[gray flame]

It’s his current primary area of research once the Exo Mechs are defeated.

[wanton pendant]

Or a distributor.

[pliant ruin]

And even if she did its not like Draedon couldn't also just make his own

[split mortar]

I dont see astral being a issue for draedon more then like 2-3 years and i doubt thats enough to threaten draedon

[gritty kraken]

Exo clentaminator when

[split mortar]

Draedon makes a green solution nuke that is just a supreme renewel

[gray flame]

In vanilla it’s a joint project between the Steampunker and dryad and I see no reason for that to change. I like having the NPCs have actual parts in the story progression. The Terrarian probably learned some of their gunsmithing techniques from the arms dealer given they pick up his habit of building guns in fish. The goblin tinkerer’s workbench is extremely important for improving accessories, and so on.

[split mortar]

The terrarian…

[gray flame]

The point I’m making is I like the town NPCs actually having parts to the progression or technology and the story, because it makes the world feel more alive.

[light moth]

Basically
That au has a side character
He belongs to the demonic kind that was raised in the environment where everyone could do whatever they want
So they have no moral restrictions or limits
The first mentioned character then got in the world of mortals and then enslaved the whole planet
This character has a lot of time in the story but his enslavery part is not given much of an attention
And he was never stated to be the example of morality
He was hated because… um… he had a harem..

And had an SA with a character who, as community thought, was a minor

[gray flame]

So Draedon’s research on DoG seemed to conclude that he sends the stuff he eats to somewhere else, so that got me wondering, do DoG and Kirby send the stuff they eat to the same place?

[split mortar]

Dont think kirby sends what they eat to noxus

[gray flame]

I mean Noxus is the kind of boss Kirby would fight after finding out the stuff he was eating was being intercepted before he actually processed it and being sent to Noxus instead of where it’s supposed to go.

[split mortar]

They are also entirely different canons so i dont think it can be the same place

[untold oracle]

Noxus fight january-february

[pliant ruin]

Ive never heard of that first bit in my life

Is it from that one lore page

[gray flame]

I might be wrong about it then. I don't have a source on it, it something that I just thought I knew but who knows if wherever I heard it was accurate.

[split mortar]

Damn
No sources

[snow mountain]

ive never heard of this in my life

[plucky juniper]

I… I w-was the result of… Yharim’s hands…!?

This is throwing me for a loop because I have NEVER heard of this ingame

I think half the arguments here are just people who only know the lore ingame vs people who somehow know stuff like how Moon Lord could just turn off the resurrection of dragons

this of course is an unimplemented feature issue

[feral skiff]

i think we should put wikipedia source tags on every single post

[split mortar]

The ml turning off dragon rebirth is in game and in a rather important yharim lore item

[snow mountain]

the secret switch

[spare pier]

That one is ingame though

Like, you're right

But you picked the one example that's wrong

[plucky juniper]

Okay, is this it?

Much of dragonkind was lost as casualties in that struggle, and they never recovered.
Zeratros himself was gravely injured. It seemed his power, along with his life, would be lost forever.

[light linden]

hey rebecca

want a bnnuy?

[spare pier]

Yeah

Also sure

[plucky juniper]

Well, it’s easy to read this and not realize that “resurrection is disabled” part

[spare pier]

Well, yeah but it's there

[plucky juniper]

it read to me as “moon lord killed a lotta auric dragons and mortally wounded zeratros”

[split mortar]

Its there and its how we came to the conclusion

If moonlord just normally wounded them it would not be an issue cause rebirth

[plucky juniper]

Which, I can see why that could be explained as ml having anti-rebirth powers

But at the same time

[split mortar]

Oh well dragons rebirthed clean up the mess and resume the normal and prepare better

Moonlord kinda needs to be able to perma kill dragons in some form to have as much of an impact as it did imo

[plucky juniper]

Yharon’s lore item implies that rebirth was his doing

[split mortar]

Yeah

And?

Cause it is

Yharon is rebirtth dragon

[eager bluff]

yes the rebirth is his doing thats his domain

[split mortar]

I dont see how that changes stuff

[plucky juniper]

So my assumption wasn’t that ml somehow disabled rebirth, unless he murked yharon so he could do the rest

[split mortar]

We have no confirmation theres a time limit on rebirthing auric dragons afaik so killing yharon only delays them resuming as normal

[plucky juniper]

In short yharim needs to retake a reading comprehension class

[split mortar]

?????

[plucky juniper]

Because that point never just got to me

[split mortar]

And it did to most people i know

[eager bluff]

i do not believe that is something fixed by the writer taking a comprehension class

[plucky juniper]

I’m not denying that ml has a anti-rebirth ability, I’m just saying that yall must be better at reading comprehension because this just never got across to me

[wanton pendant]

Don't beat yourself up over it, we've seen worse.
Far worse.

[plucky juniper]

byeah i still think it could be worded better

[frosty charm]

Why did canine become super? Is he stupid?

[wanton pendant]

You've lost me.

[frosty charm]

Metastasis

[visual kiln]

hiiiiiii

[frosty charm]

Rubs bunny shaped belly

[snow mountain]

furrows brow

[split mortar]

Is that madeline celeste bunny pfp

[visual kiln]

mhm

[pulsar ocean]

can gods and dragons use domain expansion

[wanton pendant]

I didn't watch Sorcery Battle, explain in excruciating detail.

[pulsar ocean]

Basically each sorcerer (if they're good enough) can cast a domain expansion using a hand sign they made up
A domain expansion varies on the user and their cursed technique (their personalized set of abilities)
For example the main antagonist has the "shrine" Cursed technique which allows the user to cleave, dismantle, and furnace their opponents
His domain "malevolent shrine" basically auto aims on anything that it covers and uses continuing cleaves and dismantles to obliterate the opponent
Like imagine if the dragon of flame had a domain expansion
He'd have something like the literal inside of a volcano

[split mortar]

Isnt the inside of a volcano what a jjk character had as a domain expansion and is fire themed

[cloud ibex]

that would be jogo's coffin of the iron mountain yes

[pulsar ocean]

Yuh I didn't feel like making up anything new

[split mortar]

Fair

[wanton pendant]

I don't know maybe they can.

[pulsar ocean]

thank you

[frosty charm]

does anyone have cool ascended xeroc design concepts

[real silo]

I have a rather old one

[frosty charm]

im curious

[real silo]

Railgun swordsman

[frosty charm]

its pretty neat

[frosty charm]

xeroc has feathers

ive decided

[light moth]

Hi guys
I reread the Calamitas Clone lore and have some questions
I was told that the current design is heavily outdated and the clone is not supposed to be inside any mech
But then why in Calamitas Clone lore item Yharim describes that the clone is actually housed inside it?
And if CalClone was supposed to be a near perfect replica of Calamitas - how would Yharim make an assumption that she was Draedon’s creation?
It is unknown if Draedon ever made experiments with cloning anyone (especially for Yharim’s affairs) before making CalClone
Is CalClone lore item also outdated and has to be rewritten or it is kept for the consistency with what we have in game until the redesign comes out?
Or maybe Calclone with its current interpretation is the unchanged (for now) legacy of old lore?

[frosty charm]

Temporary explanation so it's not too out of place
Draedon is confirmed to have made it and he's not very secretive about it
I don't remember
Maybe

[light moth]

Based on how it is written in lore item, Yharim just assumed that the CalClone was made by Draedon based on the technology used for that
Plus, Draedon got kicked before creating CalClone, so Yharim never was told of that by him

[woeful hatch]

Ok so, Yharim ordered Draedon to find a way to replicate the witch's fire

And Draedon STARTED work on it, but was kicked out of the Yharmy because of the plague stuff

After the plague stuff, Draedon returned to the "recreating calamitas" project

[light moth]

Excuse me
Yharim was the one who asked Draedon to do it?

[fleet wedge]

Yeah

But it didn't quite work out ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sinful adder]

He asked draedon to replicate Calamitas' power, not specifically clone her

[fleet wedge]

I mean
Calamitas nuked the sea
She also broke out the clone
Sea it's related

[pliant ruin]

Also to be fair cloning someone is a deed taht i'd say is fair to just

pinpoint on draedon

[limpid saddle]

Draedon used a liberal interpretation of 'recreate the Witch's power' which was his direct command, & was a project he only came back to after Yharim kicked him out for the creation of the Plague nanovirus

He didn't do it to try get back in Yharim's good books or anything, at that point the cloning was eintierly because he thought if he could use Calamitas's Brimstone Magic, he could make a better furnace to more easily construct alloys & such

It didn't pan out, so he put in her tube in a storage facility somewhere

[limpid saddle]

(This was all before he figured out Exo tech so he didn't have his fancy shmancy forge that can deconstruct & reconstruct materials on a molecular level yet)

(At least im pretty sure thats what Draedon's Forge does feel free to correct if i'm misremembering his explanation of it)

[random mulch]

Made one a bit back

[limpid saddle]

never seen a xeroc design that just looks like 'a guy' before

[pliant ruin]

i mean honestly in all fairness

fitting

he is really just a guy

just a dude even

[light moth]

Honestly, I really like the old CalClone more
For few reasons
The battle with her could in idea be felt like the end of suffering for sentient being, that was created just as a prototype (not a perfect clone) in experiment with making a biological life form
I liked to view CalClone as a first Draedon’s attempt to create the combination of a powerful being and his regular mechanic
And it was partly successful, yes
Even though creating a replica of something like brimstone flames is a real challenge even for Draedon (definitely impossible, i’d say)
But again, she was partly successful, due to being the prototype in cloning, and because of that she failed to control her power and emotions, that caused her to not only being shattered mentally, but also becoming completely crazy
And that is why her magic, in contrast with Calamitas, was unstable and uncontrollable
Raw, unfiltered
To the point where this power came out of her regularly and chaoticly
And where the clone felt nothing but pure agony in every aspect
It is not completely related to new CalClone
Not that much, considering that she didn’t lose her sanity and was just unstable and a bit emotionally damaged (not even because of Draedon, but because of that accident with Calamitas)

Though, current CalClone can represent Calamitas, who accidentally burned Azafure because of her inability to keep up with her feelings and lock her might in properly

[pliant ruin]

the new calclone is still insane

she's just biologically/physically normal

and failing at cloning something wouldn't make sense for draedon

he can do stuff far more advanced than cloning

hell, cloning is smth we can do in real life

its fairly mundane science even

calclone is a perfect clone by all means, because calamitas's power aren't biological

[light moth]

Yes
But only when it comes to making something related to mechanisms
Not when it comes to creating someone consisting of flesh

[pliant ruin]

nah

in general

again cloning is something Real Scientist do in Real Life and it's, fairly mundane science

HAving the guy who's like super omega advanced in his knowledge about just. Most Things fail at it would

not make much sense

Draedon isn't just a inventor he's just the Science Guy

his goal isn't to make the ultimate weapon or smth, thats just something he felt like doing

His goal is to just Learn

[pliant ruin]

p sure we could clone humans if we wanted to but its not been done less so due to technological limitations and more so due to ethical ones

there's businesses that clone deceased pets

like dogs or cats

expensive as fuck b yeah

draedon failing to do something thats done to that degree of mundanity irl would be. yeah

its like if he failed to make a vaccine for the common cold or something

having calclone be a imperfect clone dosent really actually change anything about her narrative other than making draedon kinda be bad at his job for no reason

[limpid saddle]

I mean yeah we've been doing genetic manipulation in humans successfully since 2015

[pliant ruin]

it dosen't change the fact she's still someone who is very much going through a severe existential crisis and who may or may not be a little tiny little bit insane

just a little

[light moth]

Fair enough
I just thought that as it was a first attempt for Draedon, it would have a lot of issues
Because he never had a experience with that personally
It is like with Mechs and Exo-Mechs
Dont forget that Mechs didnt fully satisfiy him

[limpid saddle]

No the mechs were only a 'failure' because he couldn't get them to obey him due to being piloted & powered by the souls of Yharim's men

That's why Draedon pivoted away from soul-powered machinery

Like they work fine, the Civilian Obliterator & Church Burner 9000 can still burn churches & obliterate civilians

They just don't obey him

[pulsar ocean]

This feels like a boss from hollow knight

[light moth]

Okay, I get it
My assumption is that Draedon could make a success in cloning only on 2nd or 3rd attempt
Not when he was doing that for the first time in his existence
Even though cloning could already be a thing in the Calamity world for a long time

[fervent palm]

add me to the lore

now

jungle dragon yharon

[split mortar]

Draedon by the point of calclone could make nanobots able to replicate diseases so i dont think draedon would be lacking in the biology department

[split mortar]

DIE DIE DIE DEMON DIE

[fervent palm]

LÉA SPORES

[pulsar ocean]

Is that the jungle dragon

[light moth]

Oh hi Yharon

[split mortar]

SPORES UPON THEE

[limpid saddle]

I always liked the modern concept of CalClone, it's a very classic trope but it works so well thematically with Calamity

[light moth]

Oh, okay

[fervent palm]

im going to eat rat poison

bye

[pulsar ocean]

Is the infernum cal clone any different

[split mortar]

Infernum was made during old lore so its probably following old lore

[limpid saddle]

Also it's cool how she absorbs Brimstone from Calamitas, like how Calamitas did to the Brimstone Elemental, but because of her undeveloped & weakened psyche with no real determination, takes in signifigantly less & still finds herself psychologically devastated by what she did take in

[hasty valley]

Depends

Imo calling cloning mundane is

Frankly insulting

[limpid saddle]

& given the fact that the constructs... exist, we know this process gave C.C some of Calamitas's memories, presumably all the really bad traumatic ones like her brothers smoldering corpses, getting chokeslammed by an embodiment of hellfire & sealing her dad in a big cube

[pliant ruin]

Mundane in the sense it's not something revolutionary

It's obviously not something you like, just casually come by

[dusk laurel]

oh god azazel appeared

[hasty valley]

It is?

[pliant ruin]

Not anymore, anyways

It's already been discovered years ago by now and nowadays it's been perfected enough to the point that there's even business centered around cloning

[snow mountain]

you can get your dog cloned

[hasty valley]

Its not about getting dogs cloned and all

[pliant ruin]

Of course, it's not Common, again, these business are Really Damn Expensive

[pulsar ocean]

how do I get my devourer of gods cloned

[hasty valley]

Its more about the relevancy it can hold in genetic engineering advancements

[snow mountain]

elaborate

[hasty valley]

Well for instance

[hasty valley]

Cloning is what has turned diabetes from a fatal disease into a lot more manageable one

[pliant ruin]

Point is if real life scientists can do it nowadays without much trouble

Draedon sucking at it would be dumb

[snow mountain]

its mundane in the sense that its widespread

[pliant ruin]

yep

[snow mountain]

obviously a character like draedon has had centuries to agonise over it

[hasty valley]

And its still opening up to newer doors even in stem cell research

[hasty valley]

That I agree

But draedon not perfecting cloning is

Kind of realistic

Even for his character

[snow mountain]

you can't really create a perfect replica when the deciding factor is out of your hands

[hasty valley]

genetics is one hell of a force

[snow mountain]

deciding factor being brimmy

[hasty valley]

People think its something fully controlled by the genes themselves when its not

Epigenetics makes it a shit ton more complicated

Its also exactly why twins begins diverting from each other in terms of looks over time instead of constantly being perfect replicas

[snow mountain]

holy yap this is cal lore discussion

[hasty valley]

We’ve had this exact same discussion before

I vividly remember genetics and epigenetics being brought up here

With examples like autism

[limpid saddle]

This is a fair discussion & all, with reasonable points being made, but in the fictious setting of Calamity, it is an undisputed fact that Calamitas Clone is a perfect clone of Calamitas, excluding her lack of Brimstone Magic, until she did get that

[hasty valley]

Mhm

[limpid saddle]

Its reasonable to wander the open road for a bit but sooner or later we're gonna need to bring it back around

[hasty valley]

Back to being on topic

It depends on what you exactly meant by caclone being a perfect clone

But if you meant that caclone is genetically identical then yes but however she’s also not a perfect clone in the sense that addition to her lacking brimstone magic, she lacks the exact same factors and environment that scal herself was raised in

[limpid saddle]

Well one says perfect clone I would imagine its referring purely to the genetics, which in this case, yeah she is

Enviornmental factors, if she was raised at all & not just 'born' at the age Calamitas would've been at that time, would've been severely different

As while Calamitas existed in multiple different enviornments & climates, we do until she was about 13 she was raised eintierly in uh, hell

[snow mountain]

draedon likely has like a bunch of calamitas homunculi lying around

[limpid saddle]

Whereas C.C was born in a sterile lab enviornment with little to no natural light

[limpid saddle]

horrifying concept

Maybe it'll be a miniboss

[crude musk]

cal clone clone

[random mulch]

New mini event for when you break into a lab

[snow mountain]

peak worldbuilding

its a shame cal doesn't have any of that but

[limpid saddle]

get jumped by 17 C.C.C's with no magic so they just pounce & scream at you in agony

[crude musk]

how strong is calamitas physically

[limpid saddle]

average 20 something femcel i would guess

[snow mountain]

the average strength of a cal lorewriter

[limpid saddle]

🥀

[snow mountain]

its gotta be accurate

[pulsar ocean]

they should add a mini event where after you kill yharim silva climbs out of the abyss and then you kill her again

[snow mountain]

i was thinking right was if we put silva in a meat grinder

and sold what remains as premium compost

agriculture is the future

my crops doing well

[light moth]

Btw
How old is Calamitas?
Around 28-30, I guess?

[cloud ibex]

something like that

late 20s

[snow mountain]

you guys aren't ready for this

[pulsar ocean]

are all of her in game lines old lore

[cloud ibex]

pretty much i think yes

[limpid saddle]

kinda yeah

[light moth]

Ah, yeas?

[limpid saddle]

theres some stuff

like 'oh man it sure is nice to not be in hell' & 'fuck you for taking me back to hell' that are still canon

[pulsar ocean]

So calamitas living in a cave is not canon?

[limpid saddle]

no thats canon

It was just after she left the yharmy

[snow mountain]

suspiciously brimstone cave

[snow mountain]

could she regenerate from that

or would there be like multiple silvas, plant hybrid silvas or is this like a dryad situation

i mean silva is technically a plant

[pulsar ocean]

You'd think yharim would shill out some money when she was leaving

[snow mountain]

but like potato plant

[limpid saddle]

no he was too busy tweaking the fuck out

[light moth]

Also how she mentions her clone is a bit out of… out of character
Unknown, if she considers us or her as a “failure”

[limpid saddle]

yeah thats not canon

[mighty zenith]

"Go kill your dad. By the way here's 20 bucks go get yourself something nice"

[snow mountain]

do you think draedon has like several vineyards

[pulsar ocean]

You think draedon ever tried drinking oil

[limpid saddle]

probably

[light moth]

I wouldnt be surprised if Calamitas and Permafrost were not tied spiritually in the old lore
As for now they don’t mention each other in any way

[limpid saddle]

no they are its just outdated

[mighty zenith]

they will in the next update

they had basically no relation to each other in old lore

[snow mountain]

draedon motor oil wine

the only thing old lore has over new lore is that yharim has aura

idk where it comes from but hes so badly written that it just

lends itself

i mean i like my king of the junjile and mr i kill gods equally

[light moth]

Sorry, I forgot to clarify

[mighty zenith]

ig its because old lore yharim was just kind of describing all the cool shit he could do

without talking about him as a person and his goals... at all

[snow mountain]

i need more shit like that

[mighty zenith]

literally hype moments and aura

[light moth]

I meant old lore, sorry

[pulsar ocean]

They should've left the table slam canon

[limpid saddle]

Yharim the aura farmer vs Yharim the aura farmer

[snow mountain]

new lore has no hype moments or aura, just elaboration

we need to link and build this summer to give it hype moments and aura

[mighty zenith]

idk man destiny is for the weak goes quite hard

[snow mountain]

it feels like something fabsol's status would say

[mighty zenith]

😭

[snow mountain]

we need cal lore but it doesn't kill your PC through text

[mighty zenith]

yeah because killing a room of people by smacking your hand at a table is peak writing

[pulsar ocean]

Yes???

[mighty zenith]

why did i say head

thats not right

[snow mountain]

its so bad it circles around to being peak

fist

[mighty zenith]

its so stupid it loops around to being stupid

full 360

[snow mountain]

i was thinking of this in the shower, cal lore with less elaboration

[snow mountain]

stupid but with a bit of aura

but only aura to 12-somethings old

[light moth]

What?

[snow mountain]

yharim did many things with his crystal

[mighty zenith]

incattus mental age reveal

[snow mountain]

its true

[mighty zenith]

yeah he just. did that

in old lore

[snow mountain]

cus he could

[mighty zenith]

because hype moment and aura

[light moth]

😬

Who wrote old lore?

[mighty zenith]

uhh a bunch of people but primarily mrrp

[snow mountain]

unrelated but yharim's crystal is the only memorable thing about calamity

[mighty zenith]

i think

[snow mountain]

i can't wait for new new lore rewrite in five years

foreshadowing

and then new new new new lore in ten

[pulsar ocean]

New new lore with more exposition

[light moth]

Old lore
New lore
Modern lore

[woeful hatch]

I'd love that

[light moth]

🫨

[cloud ibex]

i don't know if i'd put that evil on mrrp

[snow mountain]

i love it when draedon goes on a 1000 word tangent regarding one of the most nothingburger materials ever!!!

[cloud ibex]

old lore was kinda in eternal rewrite stasis for a while before 22 happened

[woeful hatch]

They're not on the dev team anymore so put all the blame on them and wash your hands clean of it /j

[woeful hatch]

Yes please

[cloud ibex]

why are you here when 90% of what you do is complain

[snow mountain]

i have hype moments and aura

[cloud ibex]

can you have hype moments and aura somewhere else

[limpid saddle]

his dialouge is peak actually fuck you

[snow mountain]

it lags my pc

im just saying

[limpid saddle]

skill isssue

[mighty zenith]

go read vaema lore or smth you clearly love it more

[snow mountain]

i don't wanna get brain damaged further

thankyou

[woeful hatch]

Please draedon explain in depth how you made Yharim's armor upgrades I need to know

Please permafrost give me an in depth university-course level thesis on the workings of magic in cal world

[mighty zenith]

i dont think its possible to go below 0

[snow mountain]

i function without a brain silly

[woeful hatch]

Feed me more text

[snow mountain]

yharon being red implies that he is welsh and thus he has a white equivalent that is his nemesis

[stoic lark]

Correct.

[pliant ruin]

aint no way you called calamitas a femcel

😭

[snow mountain]

i mean she kinda is

[cloud ibex]

is she

[limpid saddle]

its true

[mighty zenith]

normal woman

[pliant ruin]

bro its not true im going to kill you

with my knives

and hammers

[dusk laurel]

WAIT WHATT 😭

[snow mountain]

its actually kinda fire

like some sort of

brimstone flame

[snow mountain]

the white one is norahy and he is from saxony

[woeful hatch]

The word femcel comes from incel which means involuntary celibate

Calamitas is aroace and very much celibate by choice

[snow mountain]

why are we discussing this when theres bigger fish to fry

like the sunken sea

[woeful hatch]

Also she was trained as a soldier from a child and I'd be surprised if that involved entirely magical training with no physical training

So physically she's probably fit

[snow mountain]

living in a cave

[limpid saddle]

She was trained in magic by Permafrost

[snow mountain]

she built her boss drops in a cave with a box of scraps

[limpid saddle]

There was no mention of training as a soldier

[pliant ruin]

Calamitas is more of a girlboss than a femcel i cant lie

[woeful hatch]

Yeah and yet Yharim sent her on war time missions too so I assume that involved at least some training

[pliant ruin]

shes literally just introverted that dosent make you a incel 😭

[cloud ibex]

i can't really see her being a gymbro or anything but i'd imagine she is physically healthy yes

[pliant ruin]

by that logic most ppl in this servers are incels

[pliant ruin]

yuh

[woeful hatch]

Yeah

[snow mountain]

don't remind me of the intended cirrus overhaul

[limpid saddle]

its almost like she can fly & melt her enemies with a flick of her fingers

[mighty zenith]

i think ppl just throw the word incel around more even when it doesnt fit

[cloud ibex]

sis i have literally not done anything

that is all on you

[snow mountain]

those who know:

[pliant ruin]

the most incelpilled character in calamity is like. dog.

and even then

hes not really that

hes something. else.

[snow mountain]

dog would post on

whatsitcalled

[limpid saddle]

4chan?

[mighty zenith]

dog is like actually competent so idk if it counts either

[cloud ibex]

he does as promised

[snow mountain]

can someone draw dog as the nothing ever happens guy

[woeful hatch]

DOG is Manipulate Mansplain Malewife

No I will not elaborate

[cloud ibex]

that mf devours gods

[mighty zenith]

he's just an asshole

[pliant ruin]

yeah hes the closest because hes a self-obsessed bastard who has No Friends and Everyone Hates but hes still not really a incel

[mighty zenith]

thats the word for it

[pliant ruin]

hes actually,a gain, competent

[mighty zenith]

he's an asshole

[pliant ruin]

hes legit just an asshole yeah

nobody likes him

honestly

[snow mountain]

does dog have a tongue

[pliant ruin]

noxsu probably dosent even like him either

[snow mountain]

idk if id be mean to my feeding tube

what if i insulted an iv drip thats keeping me from fisher-kinging

[woeful hatch]

DOG isn't an IV drip he's a straw

[snow mountain]

same thing

if you think about it enough

[light moth]

Say that to them xdd

[pliant ruin]

you had no reason to post that

[limpid saddle]

You can technically use a straw for an iv drip yeah

[pliant ruin]

i could've gone by my entire life without seeing those images

it would've been possible

[limpid saddle]

this is hardly that egregious its just stupid

[snow mountain]

ive seen worse cal-related comments

[light moth]

Sorry
Just a silly attempt to joke

[dusk laurel]

i

i dont have words may the hand of fovos cast you into the depths

[snow mountain]

my theory diagram

[snow mountain]

this diagram is why

i strive for this level of theorycrafting

[magic epoch]

Metaphorically at least yeah
i wouldn't be surprised if he did but iealso wouldn't be surprised if he didn't either

but he's said to have a serpent's tongue! this must mean he has tounge

[glacial rampart]

i tried getting rebecca to canonize it in new lore but for some reason she wouldnt