lore-discussion

[woeful hatch]

Lab wise I agree

It's worse to study tho IMO

[thick slate]

nop

super fun

its just puzzle game

[wispy shoal]

Imo best class is gym

Mostly cause i dont need to do anything except sit around talking with friends

[mighty zenith]

hi, i'd like to ask you to never say that again

[thick slate]

yea im not in high school

[woeful hatch]

Trying to remember which of the functional groups react first with what is so much more annoying in my experience

Best lab (and also theory) is microbiology

[wispy shoal]

My apologies

[thick slate]

im in university

[thick slate]

microbio is horrible

[woeful hatch]

Ayy same

[thick slate]

me learning about dna for the 8th time

[wispy shoal]

I wouldn’t be either if i actually decided to go to school

[thick slate]

just let me cut people opennn

[wispy shoal]

Just kill a random guy and cut them open

[thick slate]

why would i kill them

[woeful hatch]

Ugh I'm only at second year of uni (just started it) so I haven't had anatomy/histology yet but I can't wait for it

[wispy shoal]

Or just immediately cut them open then

[thick slate]

im a first year

and i get to

so L

imagine donating ur body and it goes to me

[wispy shoal]

Horrors beyond human comprehension

[thick slate]

im going to eat the eyeball

[wispy shoal]

Im extremely scared

[thick slate]

ill save lives one day

thats cool

[wispy shoal]

By eating eyes?

[thick slate]

yep

[mighty zenith]

so lorous

[thick slate]

its taylor lore

[wispy shoal]

I pray that you’re never gonna be a doctor

[thick slate]

why

thats so mean

[wispy shoal]

Yesterday we were hitler scalling be happy we aint doing that now

[mighty zenith]

???

[wispy shoal]

You’re gonna eat my eyes

[thick slate]

im slightly less insane irl

[wispy shoal]

With yharim

[mighty zenith]

yeah but idk how you saw that as a valid argument

😭

[wispy shoal]

Cause discussing taylor lore is better than hitler scalling yharim

[woeful hatch]

Ok I just checked my course again and these first three years at least I don't think I'll have it at all

Counterpoint, I'll get to study general pathology which is cooler

[thick slate]

im going to major in blood magic maybe

[wispy shoal]

Jesus type shit

[thick slate]

and then when i med school

i do cardiovasc

[woeful hatch]

Centrifuge their blood and drink their plasma

[wispy shoal]

Nvm he did wine

[thick slate]

he turned his blood into wine or smth

i can do a similar thing

[woeful hatch]

Water

Water into wine

[wispy shoal]

Calamity fans not knowing Jesus

[thick slate]

i was referring to the last supper

[woeful hatch]

Well, not gonna be very alcoholic unless you're diabetic

Not gonna be too much sugar to ferment into alcohol

[woeful hatch]

Oh

He turned wine into blood

[thick slate]

i meant just drinking

geez ur terrible at jokes

stick to chemistry

[woeful hatch]

Why should it stay a joke

When you can make it the truth

[thick slate]

anyway cardiovascular best surgeon

im going to eat someones carotid artery

i would be a good zombie

or vampire

[woeful hatch]

Ah you're doing medicine? I'm in biotech

[thick slate]

make me a di vinci machine

i want to surgery a grape

da vinci machine actually the shit out of a horror movir

terrible knife and needle apparatus

[woeful hatch]

Nah that's not what biotech is, it's more about the theory behind the various mechanisms of how we/cells/microorganisms/general biological processes work

Not mixing biology with technology (not necessarily at least)

[thick slate]

terrible

[woeful hatch]

Imagine it a da Vinci machine malfunctioned

And slammed a tool on the patient mid surgery

[thick slate]

hitman 1 japan level reference

[woeful hatch]

Do you think draedon has a da Vinci machine

[thick slate]

for what

i mean he has ways to dissect i assume

but he has no need for surgery

[woeful hatch]

I mean, implanting the jet engines on a bee is probably not as easy as just slapping it on and using duct tape

[thick slate]

fair

u dont need a da vinky for that tho

u just need some wires, stitches and a welding machine

out of all animals why did he choose a bee

[woeful hatch]

I mean, to connect the machine bits to the nervous system and shit

[thick slate]

that seems harder then other animals

[thick slate]

wire

[woeful hatch]

Iirc because they were already very organized and the queen bees were some of the most resilient animals in the jungle

[thick slate]

i just realised how many wild animals terraria lacks

[woeful hatch]

I mean, it does already have quite a few

[thick slate]

yea but shit would not work as an ecosystem

where are the predators

[woeful hatch]

Who knows, maybe the undead and carnivorous plants and giant bats work as predators

[thick slate]

bunny graph

[woeful hatch]

Slimes too now that I think about it

[thick slate]

what eats slimes

or undead

[woeful hatch]

Undead are probably unstable enough to eventually just fall over and die, and we see they're actively decomposing (and sometimes being eaten by maggots)

Slimes are presumably edible in general, especially since pinkies are edible for normal people too

[thick slate]

what is a slime

[woeful hatch]

And I presume stuff like the carnivorous plants would also eat undead

[woeful hatch]

Gelatinous fragments of the slime god presumably, made of "gel", which is a combustible, sticky substance

[thick slate]

did slime exist before slime god

[woeful hatch]

Good question, I don't know

[thick slate]

i want a slime

i want to study a slime

[woeful hatch]

My guess is they're like, big amoebas

[thick slate]

i want to be draedon

[thick slate]

organless

do they even need nutrients

[woeful hatch]

What if they're big amoebas but with many many normal-amoeba sized organelles

[thick slate]

or are they just spiteful

surface area to volume ratio

slimes dont make sense

[woeful hatch]

Well, they presumably can change shape somewhat, the shape they keep normally is just the most stable (due to surface tension and shit)

[thick slate]

they defy physics

[woeful hatch]

Yeah they really don't but tbf neither do giant bees for that matter

[thick slate]

true

square cube law

big insect dont work

[woeful hatch]

I meant more like about their flight capabilities

[thick slate]

that too

[woeful hatch]

Normal bees are able to fly, even if their size suggests otherwise, because at such small scales, physics is a bit different from how larger animals/flying objects work

But if you make big bees

[thick slate]

but they are physically too massive to remain in form

big creatures dont work

bigger a bee is the less dangerous it is

[woeful hatch]

Yeah

Their hives make little sense too

So much empty space

Entirely unoptimized

[thick slate]

so much honey just sitting there

weight of that would break the hive

[woeful hatch]

The larva just staying out there outside the specifically made cells

[thick slate]

yea like atleast fully enclose it

leviathan doesnt make any sense either

too big

fat fuck

[woeful hatch]

I can understand the size of leviathan because the sea already has some massive animals, and since there's also water that helps with the mass of the animal, you can reduce the effect of square-cube law

But what does it feed on

[thick slate]

i refuse to believe her fatass could eat a duke fishron

[woeful hatch]

Yeah she's way too slow

[thick slate]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

maybe it filter feeds a LOT

[woeful hatch]

Well if she does she's inefficient as FUCK

Look at that mouth

That's not a filter feeding mouth

That's a carnivore mouth

[thick slate]

it also doesnt seem like she goes that low in water

like most big fellas

[woeful hatch]

Well there is the fact that apparently anahita used to live in the abyss before Silva

[thick slate]

how

[woeful hatch]

So maybe leviathan fed on some of the abyssal creatures?

[thick slate]

did her body acclimatize

to different pressures

[woeful hatch]

I can see it, sperm whales can dive deep to have beef with the giant squids too, and it's also pretty deep

[thick slate]

why do i feel like the big 3 minibosses just beat her

maybe she could beat squid

[woeful hatch]

Reaper shark and Eidolon Wyrm would rock the shit out of her

[thick slate]

yea

also abyss is like 2 leviathans thick

how she fit

[woeful hatch]

With great effort

[thick slate]

maybe she should be a herbivore to lose some weight

[woeful hatch]

Eating what seaweed/phytoplankton

[thick slate]

yep

she can like fly

cant she just eat a tree

[fallen kindle]

not nutritious

[woeful hatch]

Yum lignin

[fallen kindle]

I think

[thick slate]

she is an abomination of a creature

[fallen kindle]

abombination

[woeful hatch]

If you could digest lignin and cellulose then it could be nutritious

But most carnivores don't have them, and even most herbivores can't digest lignin

[thick slate]

we can kinda digest cellulose

shoutout appendix

[fallen kindle]

eat paper?

[thick slate]

i eat paper

[fallen kindle]

yum

[thick slate]

appendix iirc slightly helps with digesting cellulose

and plant

cuz its the remnants of the caecum

which actual herbivores have

which destroys cellulose

its full of bacteria n stuff

that devour that shit

[woeful hatch]

Yeah

Do you think if I eat enough mycelia will I get the ability to digest lignin

[thick slate]

yess

its kinda crazy how our bodies produce acid

and bicarbonate

[fallen kindle]

wall of stomach is not affected by acid

[thick slate]

yep

[woeful hatch]

Because of the mucus

[thick slate]

epithelial layer that secretes mucus

[woeful hatch]

Try taking away the mucus

And you get ulcers

[fallen kindle]

that would be bad

[thick slate]

when acid enters ur intestine

it gets hit with bicarbonate

and neutralises

its really cool

it also gets hit with like 3 other goops

[fallen kindle]

evolution truly is something

[thick slate]

bile, pancreatic juice and smth else i think

truly disgusting

[woeful hatch]

Time to start eating more and more inert materials to train my stomach into producing stronger acids until I have an acid concentrated enough to corrode through stainless steel

[thick slate]

not how it work unfortunately

[woeful hatch]

Let me dream

[thick slate]

also stainless steel is not that acid proof

try glass or plastic

plastic is super acid proof

plastic is everything proof

it last forever

[woeful hatch]

Nah, we already have bacteria that's slowly evolving to digest it

[thick slate]

ironic since the oceans are becoming more acidic

so everything will die

beside the plastic

[thick slate]

too slow

[woeful hatch]

Yeah that's true

But

[thick slate]

i did experiments with plastic digesters in grade 12

especially mealworm

mealworm the devourer of everything

is dog a mealworm

[woeful hatch]

Ooh

[thick slate]

ye it was an exclusive class with only like 10 ppl

worked with university guys

[woeful hatch]

That means the distortion bacteria can digest god essence

[thick slate]

unfortunate thing about mealworms is that they are the larval stage

[random mulch]

i still remember watching some classmates harvest the sludge on a trip to a uni

[woeful hatch]

What sludge

[random mulch]

some black sludge from the bottom of a river cause the trip was with an ecology professor

[woeful hatch]

Hmmm

[random mulch]

we sifted through it to see what we could find

lots and lots of leeches (not ones that bite people though)

[wanton pendant]

Oh, lawyers.

[random mulch]

last 2 years we did a lot of trips to colleges & unis

did some interesting stuff like feeding a plant a bunch of hormones so we could see how fucked up it became

i still have my tabacco plant, the leaves are bigger than the pot it's in and the stalk is pretty long

[woeful hatch]

Sounds nice

NGL id have loved to do that sort of shit

[teal palm]

I've heard that Providence is going to be resprited at some point, and I've been thinking a lot: what exactly is Providence supposed to look like anyways?

Like I get that it's an idol for the sun, but I've always found its design somewhat confusing

[woeful hatch]

Butterfly

Rocky, fat butterfly, but butterfly nonetheless

[teal palm]

I think the thing that confuses me most is what she's made of

[woeful hatch]

Rock with a central crystal, and entirely aflame

[teal palm]

Profaned Rock is clearly rock, but Providence doesn't really appear that rock-like

[random mulch]

It's intended to be rock, the texturing just kinda makes it look weird

[teal palm]

If Providence is the Sun Goddess, and her ascended form is a butterfly, does that mean EoL is related in some way?

[woeful hatch]

She's not the sun goddess, she's the goddess of ash (got her domain from the dragon of flame)

The god of primordial light, which is also related to the sun's light, is Xeroc

[teal palm]

and Providence's ascended form is certainly a god, would that be correct to say?

[woeful hatch]

Providence IS a goddess yes

She got her domain by killing the dragon of flame and consuming its auric soul

[teal palm]

I see

I was originally going to ask, cause I believed Providence was specifically a goddess pertaining to the sun, what does that make Moon Lord, who would be the diametric opposite and is in a lot of respects just as powerful?

[woeful hatch]

Moon lord is not a god of the moon, he's the nearly dead remains of an eldritch being from outer space, called Fovos, which was extremely powerful and fought all the dragons, the dragons barely won and managed to seal him on the moon

[teal palm]

Oh shit this is some new lore I've never even heard before

[woeful hatch]

You can read most of the known lore in the document in this channel's pins

[teal palm]

Oh good lord

[woeful hatch]

It's a list of all the items and descriptions with lore implications, with the implications they have written under each item

[teal palm]

My obsessive desire to read more about Calamity is being overstimulated seeing this

My ass about to disappear for like 3 days reading all this

[woeful hatch]

There's some pieces of additional lore that's not there and that was mainly discussed with the devs in this server, especially this channel, or other places outside the mod itself

Mainly minor stuff, or stuff that will be added in the future

[split mortar]

Because it takes time to rewrite stuff there are still remnants of retconned lore in the game atm sadly

Xeroc is the local sun deity

[woeful hatch]

Yeah, calamity underwent a MAJOR lore rewrite a few years ago

So some people still remember it

And some very minor references are still in the game

[split mortar]

Like signus title being envoy of the devourer when they are just
Not related

[teal palm]

That's prob part of why I believed Providence was the Sun Goddess, specifically

I had heard that used in reference to her years ago

[split mortar]

Yeah she used to be sun related

[teal palm]

As someone who's done a lot of lorewriting of my own, tbh I've always been a bit worried about the idea of rewriting it in medias res

This makes me feel better about it though tbh

Knowing that Calamity's lore even now is still being modified and people are perfectly happy with that

[woeful hatch]

Lorewriting for what?

[wanton pendant]

Presently, Providence is the Goddess of Ash, if anyone is a sun god, it's Xeroc, who is the God of Primordial Light.

[split mortar]

Snail

[wanton pendant]

Plucking your eyelids.

[pastel bay]

Lore chat i request your foresight.

Any know if there's dialogue changes for Draedon comin' in the future

[wispy shoal]

Probably

[dusk laurel]

likely not

the logs are gonna be updated but its not really dialogue so

[pastel bay]

Still counts as a draedon change

[pulsar ocean]

why dont we eat god essence to get stronger

are we stupid

[pastel bay]

Tastes bad

Speaking from experience

[wanton pendant]

Same reason you don't eat human flesh to get stronger. Or maybe you do, I don't know your life.

[pulsar ocean]

how do you know eating hearts doesnt make you stronger

have you tried it?

[pastel bay]

No human flesh just makes you weaker

[wanton pendant]

I plead the fifth. Am I saying that right?

[pastel bay]

Because youve already outlasted and proven yourself stronger

You're just adding weaker material to yourself

[pulsar ocean]

outlast like the game

[woeful hatch]

And then there's prion diseases

Which also tend to make you weaker

[pastel bay]

Well that goes without saying

[teal palm]

Do the events actually have any relevance in the Calamity lore, like Goblin Invasion, Pumpkin Moon, etc. ?

[stoic gulch]

No

Most of them at least

[zenith geode]

goblins from the goblin continent

[teal palm]

I'm aware that at some point the post-DoG material connection to Pumpkin Moon and Frost Moon and Eclipses is going to be replaced so it makes sense to me if they aren't really connected, at least for now

Actually the reason I ask is because I want to see Frost Legion be relevant for quite literally anything, because it's a really cute event

[zenith geode]

coca cola will not be made canon to calamity sorry

[pulsar ocean]

what is the lore of the pillars

[teal palm]

This is how this sentence feels to me

Actually traumatized

[pulsar ocean]

will mgrr become canon if I name the terrarian jetstream sam

[stoic gulch]

Real

[teal palm]

Idk if there's plans for the events to be touched on more in Calamity tbh, but I have always wished for them to be

I really like the idea of them, and I want to like them but the events mostly fucking suck honestly, especially the buffed variations of them

Obv there's some you kind of can't, like O1'sA and Frost Legion since those are pretty detached from anything else

[zenith geode]

snowmen from the snowman continent

[teal palm]

This is def deep speculation, but if the Tundra was largely generated from Dragon of Frost kind of like how the organic parts of the Abyss are generated from Silva's corpse, I could totally see Frost Legion being an attempt from the Dragon to flank you at the very start of HM, since you freed the spirits from WoF

[wanton pendant]

Any references or crossover stuff isn't canon.

Tundra was Permafrost, used to be milder.

Dragon's dead.

[teal palm]

but isn't the Tundra itself not really natural?

Like I know Permafrost makes it a lot colder so it's a more aggressive environment, but isn't the environment itself already unnatural?

[wanton pendant]

No reason to believe the Tundra itself is unnatural, just its current condition.

[pastel bay]

Canada has become canon

Also, gotta remeber its a whole continent.
They tend to have diverse climates because continents are big.

Oh my god is it Australia

[long bloom]

every event is canon except for ooa, pumpkin moon and frost moon

and solar eclipse enemies

[wanton pendant]

Except the ones that aren't from a movie.

[long bloom]

there aren't any

[wanton pendant]

Vampires.

[pastel bay]

Thats... just eyezor?

[teal palm]

How so exactly?

[long bloom]

huh?

[wanton pendant]

OOA is a crossover, Pumpkin Moon and Frost Moon are references to real life holidays.

[pastel bay]

Is Santa canon

[wanton pendant]

Tragically, no.

[pastel bay]

What the fuck

He should be

[zenith geode]

this is because coca cola has not been invented

[long bloom]

true

[zenith geode]

and will not be invented

[wanton pendant]

Permafrost can be Santa.

[pastel bay]

Move over draedon gimme your labs I have work to do

If i cant pelt Yharim with coal inexplicably before our first encounter then death shan't claim me

[odd magnet]

What if someone tried ascension with a goldy soul instead of an auric soul?

[wanton pendant]

How?

They explode when removed.

The answer I'd assume would also be your soul explodes.

[odd magnet]

I didn’t know that

Or remember that actually

Brings a new question though

[odd magnet]

Do you think there can be a way to keep a godly soul stable once removed from its host?

[wanton pendant]

Maybe, but I don't think it would do a lot of good. The host would also totally die anyway, you know, since you removed their soul.

Sounds like an experiment Draedon would do.

[odd magnet]

Y’know what

Yeah

But if it was kept stable what would happen now if I tried the ascension ritual?

[wanton pendant]

Your soul would probably explode.

[odd magnet]

Damn still explode?

[wanton pendant]

I'd say the most likely way you could extract a Godly Soul without it collapsing would be to somehow do it without killing the god, since based on how Silva works it doesn't matter how badly injured the god is, so long as they're not dead their soul survives.

Although that could be purely due to Silva's unique properties as an Elemental.

[odd magnet]

Can we compress that explosion?

I want to see how far the limits of souls can go

[pastel bay]

I should be allowed to stick a magnet to him

[odd magnet]

If we can figure out how to a way to keep a godly soul stable I think we can find out a way to keep ourselves stable after the ascension

[wanton pendant]

Even so, you would likely have a very unstable soul. I doubt you would be able to utilize its capabilities safely.

[odd magnet]

Use that unstabability

I heard they use the heating from thanatos as a weapon

[pulsar ocean]

would the terrarian be on a yharim hit list if he found out we received the xerock

[odd magnet]

I think if the heating from a machine can be used lethally I think an unstable soul could do something, maybe kill us on the way though

[wispy shoal]

I mean its just a rock

Its not a god rock or something

[wanton pendant]

It's a really cool rock.

[pulsar ocean]

he killed innocent civilians for being associated with gods
And we received a direct souvenir from the John God

[wispy shoal]

I mean thats true i would commit genocide for that rock

[split mortar]

I am so tempted to wack this chat with the image

[pulsar ocean]

What image

[wispy shoal]

What image

[wanton pendant]

Don't!

[wispy shoal]

DO

[odd magnet]

Oh god

[split mortar]

Ultimately You choose what the terrarian does or doesnt come across in their journey so the devs decanonising certain events or gear is only a suggestion for you yoursef have the final say on terrarian things
Interpret how you want be silly its fiction

[wispy shoal]

IM SCOTTISH

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorry.

[pulsar ocean]

why doesn't draedon just invent a time machine and go back in time to learn the ritual from Xeroc is he stupid

[wispy shoal]

no that’s my lore

Im a scot lad

[wanton pendant]

I'm sorry.

[long bloom]

when you know melon is saying this bc of the argument but you can't prove it

[wispy shoal]

Imma kill yharim for fucking with me rum

Or whatever

[pulsar ocean]

can I canonize ocram and Santa

[wanton pendant]

Ocram shouldn't be canon on principle.

[split mortar]

Ok but the terrarian image solos

[wispy shoal]

I mean ocram is like gone

[pulsar ocean]

why not

[long bloom]

trur

[pulsar ocean]

what if I mod him in

[wanton pendant]

The world isn't big enough for two Eye of Cthulhus.

[long bloom]

there's 5

[wispy shoal]

There’s 5

[pulsar ocean]

but cal clone is still in the mod

[long bloom]

right there's 8

[wispy shoal]

Nvm 6 cal clone

And her brothers

8

[wanton pendant]

Fine, the world isn't big enough for nine Eye of Cthulhus.

[wispy shoal]

What about wandering eyes and all eye enemies

[pulsar ocean]

what if I mod in an extra large world

[wanton pendant]

Ban Marinara.

[wispy shoal]

For being correct?

[split mortar]

Moonlords true eyes

[pulsar ocean]

I guess you could say there's around 6 or 7 eye of Cthulhus

[long bloom]

❌

[wispy shoal]

Gulp

[cloud ibex]

this cthulhu guy has a lot of eyes

[odd magnet]

Fellow Scottish fellow i see

[wanton pendant]

Is everyone on this server British except me!?

[cloud ibex]

i'm not

[long bloom]

i hail from burgertopolis

[odd magnet]

Do they sell burgers there?

[wanton pendant]

What is America but West Britain?

[abstract carbon]

Wait

[odd magnet]

Good point they’re both shit countries

[abstract carbon]

Wrong room

Still nice tho

[long bloom]

occasionally

[wanton pendant]

Too late, execution.

[odd magnet]

Sludge is valid that is pretty epic in my book

[teal palm]

If Twins is HSx-00 and HSy-01, Destroyer is HM-03, and Prime is HF-04, wtf would have had the -02 classification

[wanton pendant]

That's the revisions.

[long bloom]

no it was fovenator

[teal palm]

So you're telling me Draedon locked tf in with the Twins?

[wanton pendant]

So Destroyer is the fourth model.

Prime is the fifth.

Retinazor is the first.

And Spasmatism is the second.

So he made five versions of Skeletron Prime before settling on the current model.

[teal palm]

and he locked in on Retinazer

He only needed 1 try to make peak

[wanton pendant]

That, or Retinazor was the most undercooked and rushed model.

[long bloom]

how do we know that's what that means

[pulsar ocean]

I thought you were british

[wanton pendant]

Because Draedon says so.

[long bloom]

brb

[wanton pendant]

'Ares was the first to begin construction. Its early models, XF-00 through XF-05,'
That's his naming scheme.

The numbers are the amount of revisions.

So 0 is the first model.

[pulsar ocean]

Isn't it crazy it took draedon an infinite amount of revisions to realize he can just stitch them together

[wanton pendant]

He was drunk when he made that.

[long bloom]

intriguing

[teal palm]

I mean I commented on him locking in with Retinazer, but the true sigma lock in was def Artemis. Bro only needed 1 revision to make exogem

[wanton pendant]

That one he particularly notes as being well designed and only needing one revision.

I wouldn't be suprised that due to the original mechs needing souls and them being needed for the crusade he had to go without, especially when you consider that the Exo Mechs all have more revisions over the originals.

[teal palm]

I do wonder, cause obv Reti and Spaz are not really that similar mechanically despite having very similar "false" appearances

but Artemis and Apollo look almost identical otherthan their actual weaponry and colors ofc

[pulsar ocean]

if yharim almost lost to 2 gay randos does that mean most gods are fodder

[teal palm]

So is Artemis technically a revision of Apollo if it was made afterwards?

[wanton pendant]

The original mechs are much earlier, probably made early into Draedon's war crime arc.

[pulsar ocean]

is Artemis the green one

[wanton pendant]

Both serve different purposes.

They were made to fight together.

[pulsar ocean]

Where does it say that

[zenith geode]

artemis is the laser

in the codebreaker dialogue

[wanton pendant]

'When designing the third, Apollo, my goal was to downscale significantly; to make something powerful, yet compact. Reviewing the most compact forms of destructive potential I knew, I elected to simulate the Witch's flames.
Apollo's searing exoplasma is fueled by unstable nanomachines that constantly shed a deluge of ultra high energy particles. This both heats the plasma to incredible temperatures and causes radiation burns of a severity on par with those inflicted by the Witch. The craft had little capability beyond its nanomachine plasma projector, but there was no worry. Apollo was never meant to fight alone.
The final to begin construction was Artemis. Rather than being founded on raw power, it was made to be the apex of speed and accuracy. There is elegance in simplicity, for all of Artemis' combat efficacy comes from an onboard predictive AI and a battery of hard-light bolt emitters.
It was the perfect partner to its twin and required just a single revision. Organic beings are naturally inclined to fixate their senses on fire, presenting Artemis with the perfect opportunity to strike with unparalleled precision.'

[pulsar ocean]

He can't be the revisioned one if he's weaker than apollo

[wispy shoal]

No no im not a scot

[zenith geode]

key takeaways:

Apollo was never meant to fight alone.

It was the perfect partner to its twin, [...]

[wispy shoal]

And im happy with that

[odd magnet]

Aw man

[pulsar ocean]

twin I'm an eye let's burn civilians together

[wanton pendant]

Artemis is not a revision of Apollo, it's intentionally different.

[pulsar ocean]

if you put an exo prism in the sponge would it work forever

[zenith geode]

apollo is the aggro sink while artemis is precision while aggro is on apollo since things tend to focus on fire

uhhh

[split mortar]

Thanks?

[zenith geode]

probably not i think

you'd have to rebuild it to take advantage of it

[teal palm]

Okay I might be stupid, on closer inspection Artemis and Apollo don't look that similar other than the obvious "Eye" component

I thought they looked a lot more alike than they do

tbf during the Exo Mechs fight it's extremely difficult to look at them clearly cause there's so much happening so I was going off of that experience alone to determine that

[zenith geode]

also they move around

[wanton pendant]

Immensely ironic that Artemis is the one who inflicts Brimstone Flames.

[wispy shoal]

Wow i didnt know that stuff moves

[zenith geode]

ares

[pulsar ocean]

They shoot projectiles

[zenith geode]

ares is glued to the top of your screen

[pulsar ocean]

how

[zenith geode]

good question

[wanton pendant]

Flex Tape.

[split mortar]

Fabsolian design

[teal palm]

I am really curious about Zeratros after reading the lore because like, I get that Moon Lord is Fovos, and there's a lot of symbolism and foreshadowing to him existing, long before you ever see him

but Zeratros is something I had 0 clue about until now

[wanton pendant]

Zeratros is dead.

And was the strongest Auric Dragon.

[pulsar ocean]

Zeratros died like a loser

[zenith geode]

tbf xeroc is also kept really secret

[pulsar ocean]

Couldn't even protect his kind

[teal palm]

I suppose, but I definitely feel like there's more details about Xeroc than Zeratros, at least as of now

I mean at the very least, you actually interact with Xeroc in some capacity

[wanton pendant]

Because Xeroc is more relevant to the plot, if anything.

[long bloom]

definitely

[snow mountain]

what plot

[long bloom]

bc xeroc is an actual character

[teal palm]

• Yharim tells you quite a bit about Xeroc, if only through subtle hints

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is the only time you actually learn Xeroc's name.

[snow mountain]

xanax

[long bloom]

true

[pulsar ocean]

xerox

[split mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/kris-pronouns-deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-pronouns-they-them-gif-6074482569525867005

[snow mountain]

point and laugh

[wanton pendant]

Woke? In my server?

[pulsar ocean]

im pointing and laughing

as directed to do

[pastel bay]

Id say zeratross is more of a corpse than a character, but i dont think he even left a body

[stoic gulch]

Even before seeing the text I knew the exact gif this was when I saw “kris”

[light linden]

thought that was yharim for a second

[pulsar ocean]

can yharim beat xeroc if he believes in himself really hard

[wanton pendant]

No.

He has too much big sad.

[pastel bay]

The real Yharim boss fight is just getting him to therapy

[random mulch]

making some random guy, idk who he is tho

[split mortar]

[long bloom]

[pastel bay]

Gabriel

[pulsar ocean]

Draedon could make a living for himself that could last him eternally if he just sold graphics cards with built in exo prisms

[somber wren]

I think that Draedon's graphics hit the point where he didn't need anything else for them LONG before he started making exotechnology.

After a certain point, there's nothing else to see, you already detect the entire EM spectrum, as well as thermals, and their mana.

[wispy shoal]

GAYS BE REAL???

[icy veldt]

Captain Angelos?!

[wheat walrus]

there's no way u managed to twist my name like that

points for dedication b still

bewildering

[wanton pendant]

GAINED CEREAL!?

[pulsar ocean]

why didn't yharim just ask draedon to make like 100 yharims so they can jump Xeroc

[wanton pendant]

They would just be normal men.

[pulsar ocean]

just let them drink some dragon blood?

[wanton pendant]

I don't think that's how it works.

[pulsar ocean]

Were you there

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[north root]

kinda crazy how hypnos was just immediately perfect 100% right out the gate

0 revisions

kinda makes you think about where he got the idea...

[frosty charm]

What

[north root]

insert draedon fraud theory for the 300th time

[frosty charm]

What

[wanton pendant]

Why doesn't Draedon just make the robots right the first time? Is he stupid?

[river cedar]

yeah

[grand carbon]

whos hypnos?

[wanton pendant]

Hypno is a Pokémon from Generation 1.

Hynos is also the name of an ancient Greek god who was the embodiment of sleep.

[wanton pendant]

Also, ░t░h░a░n░a░t░o░s░h░i░(girl) has a very creative interpretation of the lore (makes everything up).

[north root]

the famous 5th exo mech, mechanized brain of cthulhu, very popular, waterwraithgaming is a fake fan and does not know the calamity culture

fabsol wanted to seal him away but he was able to return with the power of addons

[north root]

i didn't even get this one from the Lore Document it's straight up common knowledge

[agile matrix]

is providence an actual "dragon soul using" goddess or are they just called that

(like the other gods)

[spice torrent]

i think

providence's body we see is actually just a shell, i think the crystal is her actual body

[agile matrix]

this makes sense, but is the crystal like some husk of a former person before they god-ified

or is providence just a very very very mad rock

[north root]

very mad human turned into very mad rock

this is why we love her

[dusk laurel]

yeah she ascended with an auric soul

[north root]

what if none of the gods ascended with auric soul and yharim was just failing to comprehend the whole time

[pastel bay]

Everyone's still just the dragons the rebirth just got scuffed because Yharon got distracted

[hoary cape]

Yharim on his way to realize he has been murdering dragons this whole time and Yharon was manipulating him into killing them all so he could be the last dragon

[split mortar]

Theres like one or two entities we know are fake gods every other god we know ascended with an auric soul?

[fleet wedge]

Frost Legion is just Permafrost pranking you

Hey actually that is a pretty funny idea

Devs can we please make it so frost legion is post cryogen now

[thick slate]

cryogen is post frost legion

[silver phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/spooky-spooky-month-pumpkins-jack-o-lantern-gif-15178842

Pumpkin moon time

[wheat walrus]

p

[frosty charm]

Hold up? His writing is lukewarm?

[crude musk]

I have a question regarding the lore. How did Yharim even start his campaign against the gods? We know he allied with permafrost and built an army but how did he get to that point?

Did he use his status as a prince or whatever he was before being tossed into lava?

[bitter cave]

Yharon helped alot ig

[crude musk]

Wouldn't the gods hunt him down tho

I assume he wasn't strong enough to kill them all, otherwise the events of the game wouldn't have happened

[woeful hatch]

Yharon is already the second strongest dragon (the first being Zerastros, the dragon of light)

And Yharim got armed with auric armor and weapons, with a REAL attunement instead of our mock attunement

[woeful hatch]

Wdym by that specifically? Which part would have not happened?

[split mortar]

Yharim rn is stronger then every god except the sun

[crude musk]

If Yharon was strong enough to just cook them all, there would only be one crusade, so Calamitas wouldn't have joined Yharim's army, I assume the evil biomes didn't generate instantly so Yharim probably wouldn't have realised he needed DoG in time, I don't see how Draedon would be relevant etc.

[crude musk]

Yeah but he wasn't always that way right

[split mortar]

Yeah dont think so

The gods he killed were prob pretty weak ones in the beggining

[crude musk]

Idk it feels like the plot falls apart if you just say "yharon soloed everyone after he got revived" because what's the point of building armies and going on crusades

[split mortar]

True
Yharon would have taken time to get older and mature

[crude musk]

Yeah but Yharim would be target number 1 after the betrayal

[split mortar]

Yeah hence why he got thrown in lava

[crude musk]

Didn't the gods see a dragon rebirth and fly out with Yharim in front of their eyes?

[wanton pendant]

Yharim wasn't a prince, if anything he was a slave who was viewed as a pawn.

[woeful hatch]

Problem: it's not as easy to kill every single god and their worshippers as just snapping your fingers even if you're stronger than them, while also running a kingdom

ESPECIALLY if you also sorta cared about the places you destroyed in the war at firts

And how to deal with essence

[wanton pendant]

They wanted to make him God-King to increase their influence and almost certainly control from the shaodws.

[woeful hatch]

I believe he already was a sort of king/power figure, and that's why he was chosen to ascend

[crude musk]

Yeah ofc but I assume he still had relations in high places

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, the gods, who he was enslaved by.

In particular was the God of Dogma.

[crude musk]

So how did he gain influence & ally with permafrost without being killed by a god/gods

[wanton pendant]

Yharim and Yharon killed the gods who tried to kill them.

[split mortar]

Yes
And
The gods in on the godking plot would have only so much territory before the two cant be found

[wanton pendant]

Then soon after were allied by Azafure and recruited Permafrost.

[woeful hatch]

Because with auric armor and the help of yharon, he was already strong as fuck, and had good charisma and a mostly understandable motive

[crude musk]

Hm I understand

[wanton pendant]

He did not have Auric Armour day one.

We don't even know when he got it.

[crude musk]

I was under the impression all of godkind was in on the plot to give Yharim the soul

[wanton pendant]

No, only some.

Do you really think Providence would work with other gods?

[woeful hatch]

Yes, but he didn't immediately start fighting the gods either, he got saved by yharon but then he also spent time with Yharon and etc

[wanton pendant]

Crusade started the same day.

[crude musk]

No but she wouldn't help them kill the traitor either

[wanton pendant]

Providence wants to kill everyone, and not all gods are evil.

[woeful hatch]

No, not all gods were a united front

This is a very important thing to understand: not all gods were together. There were good gods, bad gods, coward gods that fled at the first sign of confrontation, etc

[wanton pendant]

Slime God mention.

[crude musk]

What does that mean? Did he kill a god day one or just declare war and amass an army?

[woeful hatch]

Where is this said btw?

[wanton pendant]

Codebreaked Dialogue.

'While the Crusade is widely considered to have begun on the date of 6.19.1781 with Yharon's rebirth, I took no part in it until 4.23.1803.'

[woeful hatch]

I see that, but I doubt he got saved and immediately started swinging

Most likely, that was seen as the igniting moment of the fight, which snowballed into becoming the crusade

[wanton pendant]

They talked for a bit, then started crusading.

[woeful hatch]

Yes, and during that time they talked, and I presume is also when they formed their bond, and when yharim got his armor

[woeful hatch]

Which brings me back to this point

[wanton pendant]

I don't think Yharim is the type to go on a big sidequest when there are a bunch of gods just standing right there.

[crude musk]

I guess it makes sense if it started that way

[woeful hatch]

It's said the gods ' SWINE cast him into the lava of hell

Not the gods themselves

[crude musk]

He would gain notoriety and an army

[woeful hatch]

It was probably more likely their followers

I imagine, the saving of yharim by yharon went like this:

The gods followers throw them into Lava
Yharim gets burned, Yharon hatches
Yharon's flames kill the nearby followers (since it's said he rose wreathed in flame)
Yharim and Yharon go away and hide to heal and lick their wounds, they talk and get armed to avenge the deaths of the dragons
Crusade proper starts, and he recruits his army and court (whether or not he already had some semblance of it before the whole debacle I don't fully know)

[wanton pendant]

He couldn't have had a court or army beforehand.

[woeful hatch]

He could have had

He was chosen by the gods to become a god-king, and he wasn't just one random guy they plucked out of nowhere because he was important enough to not be easily replaced (otherwise why would they toss yharon's egg in the lava along with him?)

[wanton pendant]

He was near certainly a slave.

Slaves don't usually have those.

[woeful hatch]

Would you pick someone who has never had any experience ruling to become the lynchpin of your eternal government?

[wanton pendant]

If I was planning on using them as a puppet where I make the decisions, yeah probably.

[cloud ibex]

if you intend to be the one telling them how to rule the eternal government maybe

[woeful hatch]

Ok, would you hand a slave under you the key to a power unmatched by any of you

Because yharon is already the second strongest dragon

And if he decides to not revive you it's not like he could be forced to do so

[wanton pendant]

I never said it was a good plan.

[woeful hatch]

I think it's more like "yes you're under the power of the council but you're still a king" sort of deal

Have him believe it'd be beneficial for him too

It makes more sense to me

[wanton pendant]

They wanted a powerful puppet so they could expand their influence and establish some kind of divine theocracy.

Yharim being stronger doesn't matter if he's manipulated into complacency.

[woeful hatch]

Yes, but if you want an obedient puppet even while more powerful than you, it just makes sense to have it believe it's better for it too to stay under your control

[wanton pendant]

That's probably where the title 'God-King' came from.

To make him think it was a good deal.

From slave to God-King, sounds quite nice, doesn't it?

Even if he is still, in practice, a slave to their whims.

[woeful hatch]

Instead, I'd believe he's already a king under them (which is why he was special enough to still let him keep the egg, and how he became so well learned and charismatic and well known enough to get an army), with promises of becoming an eternal god-king of their cause

[wanton pendant]

He certainly wasn't a king.

[woeful hatch]

Why do you say that?

[wanton pendant]

Dev statement, about how his story makes little sense if he WASN'T a slave.

There's a reason he's so opposed to slavery.

But is fine with psychological manipulation.

[daring pine]

slave ≠ puppet
but has similar meanings

the gods wanted a puppet to control, while they stay in the shadows.

it's like real life, those who draw too much attention are tools, "sinde you are handsome, go there and do this for me, they will pretty sure like your charisma"

do their bidding

that kind of "slavery"

[woeful hatch]

I mean, slave in what sense? In the sense that he had to be obedient to the gods, I agree. A king as social Role, but SLAVE to the whima of gods

But if the devs meant slave as in actual role, then idk

[wanton pendant]

Like, actual slave, that's why Yharim doesn't approve of slavery. Because he was one.

[woeful hatch]

Really? I wanna see that dev statement now

[wanton pendant]

Give me a minute.

[woeful hatch]

Sure

[wanton pendant]

Here it is.

There's a reason I put it on the handy dandy war crime chart.

[north root]

why did they decide to ascend a slave into god king

[snow mountain]

tyrant of the junjile

[wanton pendant]

They thought he'd be easy to control most likely.

[woeful hatch]

Hmm. I see. It does say they "enslaved" him so I could see it as something that happened later in life, instead of him always being a slave, but I could see him also being a slave always, if I'm just reading too deep into wording

[snow mountain]

but still social, and, with it, and ferocious

[wanton pendant]

I don't think the length of time being a slave is that important, just that he developed a hatred towards physical slavery.

[woeful hatch]

Like, he was a king, the gods came, enslaved him , told him "you can become king again if you become god" but he refused

Like that would make sense, but it's also possibly just me reaching to make my own views and the official view concile

[wanton pendant]

He probably had been a slave for some time before the 'prophecy' to become God-King.

[north root]

since when was there a prophecy

[wanton pendant]

'I was destined to consume his Auric soul when he hatched, and rule forever as God-King.

Destiny is for the weak.'

[north root]

the word "destined" doesn't necessarily mean that there was a prophecy

[wanton pendant]

At that point the argument is semantics.

[north root]

anyway i like this theory

[wanton pendant]

Anyway, if he was a king, wouldn't it have been mentioned at some point? There's no place he could have been king of that I know of.

[real silo]

He's also too young to have been a king

Of a random kingdom

[wanton pendant]

He was like, 20-30 when he got Darth Vadered.

[woeful hatch]

Wdym

Like, timeline wise

I don't remember the exact dates

So that could totally be the case

[wanton pendant]

Crusade starts 1781, ends around 1886, 105 years. Yharim's over 130.

[woeful hatch]

I mean, it could have easily not been mentioned because it's not really important? There's plenty of stuff that could have been mentioned but it hasn't

[north root]

it's not like 90% of the lore isn't actually in the game and we only know about it because of dev statements

[wanton pendant]

Regardless, Yharim going from king to slave to being offered to being God-King seems like a stretch and has no real basis for being the case that I can see.

[north root]

i think this point is valid though so i would make him prince of somewhere instead

[woeful hatch]

Well, it was mostly a theory that tried filling the holes as to "how and why did a random slave manage to get an army, is well known to be charismatic and organized himself as king with a court after the beginning of the crusade, why was he so special to the gods" so on and so forth

[wanton pendant]

Actually, as far as I'm aware there's no actual evidence he proclaimed or styled himself as a king during the crusade.

(Thanks wiki for gaslighting me into thinking he did.)

[woeful hatch]

Calamitas was brought to his COURT

By his own words

[wanton pendant]

Court doesn't necessarily require him to be a monarch.

Yharim's form of governance from what I can tell is like if the Holy Roman Empire was fascist.

[woeful hatch]

That'd be an empire then

Which has an emperor

[wanton pendant]

Yharim never refers to himself as a king nor an emperor, nor does anyone else. The closest he gets is when discussing the God-King plot. He is described as having an empire, but it has highly decentralized and collapsed near immediately.

[woeful hatch]

Well, he still had an empire, he was an emperor

But regardless, that doesn't explain any of the other points I tried patching up with my theory

[wanton pendant]

'"Empire" became identified instead with vast territorial holdings rather than the title of its ruler by the mid-18th century. '
Wikipedia don't fail me now.

[crude musk]

My personal headcanom is that he got picked up at a young age (doesn't matter if he was from a wealthy family of not) and groomed him into ascending and listening to them

[wanton pendant]

Worth noting that that very much failed.

The gods could control Yharim physically, but had no control over him mentally.

That's why Yharim is completely fine with grooming Calamitas, but if you even think about enslaving a bee he'll be furious.

[crude musk]

Note victims of abuse becoming abusers themselves later in life

I also feel like the bees thing is just a hard line Yharim wanted to draw for himself

Something he could point to and say "I wouldn't go that far"

[wanton pendant]

He hates physical slavery because he was subjected to it, but as he was never mentally controlled he doesn't have trauma about it. He opposes slavery due to his experience, but he's fine with comparably horrible things that he didn't experience.

[pulsar ocean]

Why does yharim possess a mage weapon if he's melee build

[wanton pendant]

For the debuff application.

[woeful hatch]

Because have you seen the shit you can do with oblatory? It's wild man

Endgame mage is strong

[inner pasture]

Are there any examples of weapons that Azafure exported for Yharim troops?

[wanton pendant]

None that I know of, but plenty of weapons Draedon designed.

[pliant ruin]

We dunno the specifics but Draedon's arsenal was generally made for Yharim's troops yeah

[inner pasture]

Do you think that the same weapons that Azafure and the ones they exported could be common firearms, laser weapons or magic-based weapons?

[pliant ruin]

All of those are found within Draedon's arsenal set so yeah

Though ofc depending on the ranking of the soldiers they'd get more advanced and powerful gear

The average footsoldier got tier 1 of the arsenal set per example, while godseeker knights would get more powerful gear like tier 3 or 4

[wheat walrus]

i eat dragons

[inner pasture]

But those would be the weapons that Draedon designed, not the weapons that Azafure designed, and as Draedon develops super advanced technologies (for example, a Taser) I don't know if Azafure could have reached that kind of technology, or if its industrialization is perhaps at the level of something steampunk(?

[pliant ruin]

Yharim controlled Azafure for the most part, it was the closest he had to a base of operations

[inner pasture]

Advanced technologies in the context of lore and its time, I clarify

[pliant ruin]

The citizens on it would've benefitted from Draedon's technological progress

[inner pasture]

Oooh, that makes sense.

[pliant ruin]

And the weapons that Draedon were made specifically for Yharim's army so it seems like it was basically the staple

It'd be a good tactic to get people to join the army too

Join the army to get all these cool new technologies that are unavailable on the rest of the world, show us our support because we make your life better with new tools to make your quality of life better, etc

[inner pasture]

You're right, it would be something like: Draedon develops the technology and provides the schematics. And Azafure mass-produces them.

[pliant ruin]

yuh

[inner pasture]

I ask all this because I want to roleplay with my friends about Calamity, but we want to do it with accurate lore + our own adjustments for the convenience of our OCs.

That's all I have left because I don't have a PC that can handle Calamity without exploiting qwp

[pliant ruin]

😔

[inner pasture]

The bad thing about living in Latin America

[wanton pendant]

Don't forget to make a wiki about it to confuse new players.

[inner pasture]

Deal

[pliant ruin]

me too buddy

[inner pasture]

[snow mountain]

is there a lore reason as to why my cat bullies his brother by biting their whiskers off

shits pissing me off

[pastel bay]

Malice

[wanton pendant]

Death.

[pulsar ocean]

would yharim be able to save the soul society

[split mortar]

Roleplay

[random mulch]

give me ideas for draedon palettes

[wanton pendant]

Is he leaning really far forward or has someone compressed his spine?

[random mulch]

already did the classic apeleete, need more

[wanton pendant]

Mario.

[long bloom]

these are literally the only 2 colored images of draedon that exist

[wanton pendant]

Camo pallette.

[real glen]

I still forget that draedon is big ass guy

how tall is draedon again

[wanton pendant]

Like 18 feet or something.

But it depends on what body he is in.

Since he's technically an operating system.

[teal palm]

I do wonder if we'll ever get to see Draedon's true form

[wanton pendant]

He doesn't have a 'true form'.

[teal palm]

Does he not have an original body?

[wanton pendant]

Probably, but assuming it's still operational it still wouldn't be his 'true form'.

[teal palm]

He makes it clear that the bodies you see of his are recon drones, but does not he have like an originating one

[young socket]

there he is

draedons true form

its a giant server box

congrats

[wanton pendant]

Draedon's bodies are only so he can physically interact with the world, he's a computer program.

[pliant ruin]

Draedon dosne't quite have a true body because he dosen't have a body to begin with yeah

He's literally just Code

The scout bodies are called that not because he's not sending in his real body to protect it or something

They're just one of many bodies Draedon makes for himself to communicate with others

[snow mountain]

lore accurate

[dusk laurel]

yep

thats him alright

[random mulch]

btw

[split mortar]

Why this so mad

[random mulch]

he face be metal slab, he lack expression

[woeful hatch]

This guy is like, 14 feet tall iirc

[pulsar ocean]

would draedon be able to make shadow the hedgehog

or hes too stupid

[random mulch]

holy shit it's gabriel ultrakill

[zenith geode]

he could but wouldnt because shadow the hedgehog is an independent being with its own mind and will

[tropic oak]

squish

[proper oriole]

idk i feel like draedon might do it anyway

[pulsar ocean]

does cal clone

not have

free will

[zenith geode]

fuck right i forgot about her

[wanton pendant]

Let's be honest here.
Calamitas IS Shadow The Hedgehog.
So technically, Draedon did!

But the actual Shadow The Hedgehog?
No, Draedon isn't that intelligent, and he lacks the Black Arms DNA.

[pulsar ocean]

she isnt close to being the ultimate life form

[wanton pendant]

She's got everything else!

[pastel bay]

She's got Red,
Uh..... Edgy backstory with loss of family...

Yeah nah she's close enough

[wanton pendant]

Used to be a racist terrorist.

Do you think she's friends with a bat?

[thick slate]

rogue the bat

[errant canyon]

weird question, is the storm weaver an electric eel?

especially with the new design

whats everyones thoughts on this is this actually confirmed? i def can see how storm weaver is an eel

[split mortar]

What new design?

[errant canyon]

its been a while since I played but I heard they were redesigning him and it looked like an eel

[thick slate]

worm

[split mortar]

Weaver is not biologically related to anything from this dimension so not related to eels afaik

[errant canyon]

I meant inspiration tho

should have clarified

[split mortar]

Well idk maybe someone else may tho

[errant canyon]

I can find it

give me a sec

hold up can I dm it?

idk if I can post reddit links

[thick slate]

just send it here

[errant canyon]

oho k

[pulsar ocean]

how do you know there arent distortion eels

[errant canyon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Calamitymod_/comments/wmynpo/storm_weaver_official_redesign_concept_art_by/

yeah tell me that isnt a fucking eel

[split mortar]

Those eels wont be related to this dimension eels

[thick slate]

this is olddd

[pulsar ocean]

still eels tho

[errant canyon]

Oh it is?

did they ever use it?

[split mortar]

Thats outdated

By years

[errant canyon]

got u

[thick slate]

they didnt

[errant canyon]

got u

[pulsar ocean]

why does it look like a half cat half eel

[split mortar]

Cause like 2 years ago the dev team exploded
Dont trust any art from before then continuing being used

[snow mountain]

ffffables

[thick slate]

slugcat

[errant canyon]

got u I heard of the fabsol situation

thats all im really updated on

[split mortar]

22 or 25?

[thick slate]

they mean the year

even tho the first one is just a coincidence

[errant canyon]

the p*do stuff

[split mortar]

Ah 25

The dev team exploding is 22

[errant canyon]

I remember that one

[wanton pendant]

I remember there also being really old eel inspired DoG concept art, but of course we know what the new design looks like and it's very much not an eel.

[snow mountain]

fffables

[thick slate]

you dont have to do this

[snow mountain]

referring to the fact that eel dog is planned to be used in fables; that is if iban recovers from being trampled by that stampede of botswanan elephants

[thick slate]

thats nice

[snow mountain]

verily

[tropic oak]

i love huge dog

its so cool

[wanton pendant]

So true.

[thick slate]

axolotl type dog

[glacial rampart]

i hate axolotl DoG !!!

he should not be majestic !!

[dusk laurel]

it was a scrapped design

oops someone already answered it

[young socket]

dumbillin

[dusk laurel]

okay brit

[pulsar ocean]

what da dawg doin

[long bloom]

being reworked

[fleet wedge]

"You insignificant [[HYPERLINK BLOCKED]]!" - Draedon to Terrarian after the Terrarian does this to his beloved creations: https://youtu.be/6ayxP86Pibw?si=D95EEKdqCFR-Ehwr

[pliant island]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/HYPERLINK_BLOCKED?action=edit&redlink=1

[fleet wedge]

LMAO

[long bloom]

[north root]

i wonder what kind of boss loot yharim got from killing all those gods

presumably that's why he's so powerful, dogma dropped some absolutely dodge item or ramdash and then he just steamrolled everyone else with it

[woeful hatch]

Well we do know he has really cool wings

[wanton pendant]

Obviously a dodge item.

[woeful hatch]

And it shouldn't be wings of rebirth for obvious reasons

[north root]

what if he just naturally grew wings of rebirth because of his soul being attuned to yharon though

[woeful hatch]

Can't believe sharing your soul with a dragon turns you into a furry

[wanton pendant]

How would you know?

[woeful hatch]

Because if you grow wings

It's probably not just wings

[split mortar]

Scaley

[north root]

yharim probably has some busted blood chalice knockoff that gives him x100000000000000 health in exchange for all of his defense

[north root]

does yharon have scales

doesn't he have feathers

[split mortar]

Yharon is a dragon and other auric dragons surely do

[north root]

dragons traditionally have scales but yharon doesn't look like a traditional dragon

[wanton pendant]

He's traditional in the sense that he's racist.

[split mortar]

iirc they get changed by domain a bit like gods do
So the phoenix look can be attributed to being rebirth related not dragon is bird

[north root]

anyway the wings of rebirth definitely don't have scales

[woeful hatch]

Wait if someone fucked up the ascension on yharon tremendously, could they become the god of something silly like the god of eggs

That sounds way too funny honestly

[north root]

if you fuck up the ascension too hard you just choke on the auric soul and die

[wanton pendant]

It'd still have to be related to Rebirth.

And I feel Egg would be more in line with Life.

[split mortar]

Silva goddess of eggs

[north root]

its close enough considering how dragons rebirth

and how yharon uses eggs to rebirth

[wanton pendant]

Dragon, singular, we don't know if the egg thing is for all of them.

[split mortar]

Thats yharon adjacent not rebirth adjacent

If a human gets rebirthed what happens

[north root]

the egg thing is because he's the dragon of rebirth though

[wanton pendant]

God of Refunds, obviously.

[split mortar]

I think its cause dragon from dragon egg not rebirth puts you in egg specifically

Just makes you undergo being born again

[north root]

humans are also born from eggs

[wanton pendant]

That sounds horrifying.

[spring helm]

🤯

[north root]

all animals are born from eggs

[split mortar]

Rebirthing other species sounds
Horrifying

[wanton pendant]

Become the God of Lobsters.

[split mortar]

Ok
I still think it fits better for life then rebirth

[woeful hatch]

Imagine your mom's dead

Especially, imagine if she's one of the skeletons that are undead underground

[wanton pendant]

Now I'm thinking about what Calamitas would become if she ascended using Yharon's soul. I know it's not Necromancy.

[split mortar]

You get sent to a random person

[wanton pendant]

Discount Jesus.

[split mortar]

:sob

[woeful hatch]

That's even worse somehow

[split mortar]

Yeah i know

[woeful hatch]

Imagine your child is born and they start immediately talking and walking and claiming they're an adult actually

Like what the fuck do you do

[north root]

i feel like you wouldn't teleport back into your mother the cells would just kinda float there

and grow using magic

[wanton pendant]

Your cells and a random suitable host get teleported to the Dragon's Aerie.

[split mortar]

That doesnt happen with dragon eggs afaik

[north root]

dragons don't get teleported into their mothers

[spring helm]

only for sexually reproducing animals

[north root]

in asexually reproducing animals too

[spring helm]

no?

[north root]

since in asexually reproducing animals unfertilized eggs grow into the creature

that's still an egg

[spring helm]

i was thinking of fungi my bad

[split mortar]

Sob

[north root]

i think maybe starfish technically don't need eggs

if they regrow from an arm

[split mortar]

Fuck it yharon turns you into flesh spores that grow in the aerie

[wanton pendant]

Banned.

[north root]

fuck it yharon now incubates everyone in the wall of flesh

they'll grow faster there it's in lava or whatever

[wanton pendant]

No, it's in flesh.

That's why it's called.

The Wall of Flesh.

[north root]

the flesh is in lava

[north root]

the "it" is the wall of flesh

[midnight bolt]

i have to come here?

to be enlightened?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, here's lore.

[long bloom]

hello

[midnight bolt]

please enlighten me

i know terraria lore

[wanton pendant]

Ignore ░t░h░a░n░a░t░o░s░h░i░(girl).

What do you want to learn?

[split mortar]

Ask your questions

[north root]

ignore his war crimes chart

[wanton pendant]

Look at the war crimes chart.

[midnight bolt]

big bad cthulu man wants to eat the whole universe but the dryads were like "nah fam you can't do that" and they worked with the guides to kick his butt

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's base Terraria.

[split mortar]

Thats vanilla lore

[north root]

no longer canon sorry

[wanton pendant]

But here be dragons.

[long bloom]

all vanilla lore is null and void

[midnight bolt]

DRAGONS

[north root]

calamity kills redigits dream of a perfect world

[midnight bolt]

THERE'S DRAGONS!?

[long bloom]

...yharon

[split mortar]

What did you think yharon was

[wanton pendant]

Let's start you off with something simple; Terrorism.

[north root]

and friends!

[woeful hatch]

Yes and they're a central part of calamity lore

[midnight bolt]

oh sweet cheese and crackers christ

[long bloom]

war crimes chart

[split mortar]

Yharim groomed a minor

[north root]

i don't think they are very much ready for this

[wanton pendant]

Coward.

[north root]

let's start at the beginning

[midnight bolt]

i loved screaming in the terraria discord that i am a terrarist

can i do that here?

[wanton pendant]

I guess?

[split mortar]

People scream if i send the image

[long bloom]

from left to right is
yharim (main antagonist)
yharon (enabler)
draedon (divorced)
permafrost
calamitas
devourer of gods

[north root]

only in #calamity-update-talk

[wheat walrus]

im a terrarist

[midnight bolt]

wh

there's terrorism

THERE'S WAR CRIMES

[wanton pendant]

Read the chart.

[woeful hatch]

Yeah, in calamity lore

[split mortar]

Skeletron prime exists to burn civilians and chainsaw orphans yes there is

[spring helm]

here were dragons

[wanton pendant]

There's still a dragon.