lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

It's for range.

How else are you meant to hit enemies from far away?

[hoary cape]

Jump

At them

[wanton pendant]

Can't, weapon too heavy.

[hoary cape]

Channel his dragon powers

[wanton pendant]

They do, that's how they lift the weapon.

[split mortar]

I think a glaive??

[light linden]

I think it's ceremonial

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc has their logo on three times at least. Potential man can't stop advertising, huh?

[light linden]

mainly because of how impractically big it is, the engravings on the head, and the lantern thing on the end of it

[hoary cape]

He will smack you with it

[wanton pendant]

That's an incense burner.

[graceful falcon]

she just built different

[light linden]

you want an actual answer?

[fierce pagoda]

I want one!

[light linden]

telepathy

[reef wigeon]

Thats a... Actually good idea for me.

I want to talk about Deltarune. In the lore discussion channel. Yeah, that's a good idea

[wanton pendant]

Mods, uninstall Draedon.

[runic plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/wtdg-w-t-d-g-draedon-calamity-calamity-mod-gif-10154658226593195978

o wow

[ruby heart]

Whales if they had super sonic power and were extremelly inteligent and had a society and cultural stuff

[light linden]

hi triangle

can I ask a question?

[wanton pendant]

Eidolon Wyrms had a society?

[light linden]

...have y'all been reading my dms with stip

I mentioned that eidolon wyrms might be sapient because of how often they make sounds

[ruby heart]

Well there is noxus, xeroc if you count the sygil as a part of his body, possibly primordial wyrm (depending on where the redesign goes)

Yharim killed bruce lee in the dungeon... (but yea bonelee is part of the statis club)

[ruby heart]

They are sapient

[wanton pendant]

New Noxus lore: Big.

[ruby heart]

Why they wouldnt be

[light linden]

I was wondering how many of the offshoots were sapient

[ruby heart]

They are direct descendant of dragons who had a proper culture, language, society etc.

[light linden]

mainly because of yharim's comment about most of the offshoots becoming violent

[wanton pendant]

Violent doesn't mean non-sapient. Just look at humans!

[light linden]

ik that

just that comment made me wonder

also sea king's comment about the dragonfollies

[ruby heart]

I think all are , or well basilisks and pigrons problably arent due to them being much more distanced from the original dragons

[light linden]

this feels like I should get stip in here

he was saying most were at the very least

[ruby heart]

They have been hunted for a while and a lot of them live in secluded areas

You would be violent to invasors

[wanton pendant]

Also, from what I know about Yharim, he is NOT a biologist.

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith hey we're talking dragons can you help?

[ruby heart]

Considering the follies plans and the offshoot king stuff

[cosmic zenith]

?

[ruby heart]

They are sentient yea, with their own cultures

[light linden]

the follies have a what?

[ruby heart]

What did i say about the follies?

[cosmic zenith]

I think all offshoots are sentient, but a relative minority would be sapient

[ruby heart]

Yharim canonically suck at biology

And spread misinformation a lot of the times..

[light linden]

I was talking about sapient offshoots

[light linden]

also this

[split mortar]

Eidolons are among the few offshoots i imagine are sapient

[light linden]

same

[ruby heart]

Wyrms are, fishrons are, older follies are

[light linden]

I expected follies to not be sapient

[cosmic zenith]

All Fishrons are?

[split mortar]

Wait all follies are??

Not folkies

Follies

Fishrons

[split mortar]

Ok i presume not

[cosmic zenith]

I was only aware of Wyrms and Wyverns

[light linden]

they seem like they'd be dragon horses

[ruby heart]

Dukes i would say so

(And the certain old guy)

[light linden]

ok I feel like you guys gotta figure something out

I think I got some stuff leaked that wasn't supposed to be

[ruby heart]

Why would they be dragon horses what does that mean

[wanton pendant]

Oh, Wyverns are sapient like in base Terraria?

[split mortar]

I can see why very old ones of a offshoot would be sapient
But
I dont see how duke fishron of all things are sapient

[light linden]

they seem like the perfect size to be ridden around

[split mortar]

They are sapient in base terraria??

[wanton pendant]

Duke Fishron oversees a duchy.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, and can speak.

[split mortar]

[ruby heart]

Yharim can ride yharon, does that make him not sapient?

And well folly is being redesigned

[split mortar]

Now i feel bad for killing them in vanilla and calamity

[ruby heart]

And who would ride follies

[light linden]

my idea was for chrysadians to ride them

since idk how else they could get from the surface to chrysadia and back

[ruby heart]

With their gear, wings, whatever wyvern stuff

[cosmic zenith]

(They canonically have airships)

[ruby heart]

Ye

Follies are enemies of the sky society sort of actually

[wanton pendant]

Who has airships?

[cosmic zenith]

Chrysonai

[ruby heart]

(Not really enemies they just scavenge on their resources after the thing fell..)

[split mortar]

What the fuck

[wanton pendant]

Ah, I see.

[light linden]

that answers that

[ruby heart]

How many offshoots there is, now thinking

[light linden]

I also wonder if any offshoots joined the crusade tbh

[split mortar]

Pigrons
Basilisk
Wyvern
Eidolon
Folly

Feel like im missing some

[ruby heart]

they problably wouldnt

[plucky juniper]

My guess is thunder was trying to say they’d be common mounts

[ruby heart]

Besides wyverns with vetrasyl, auric dragons werent really kind and accepting of the offshoots

[light linden]

reminds me of my original idea for a dragon of magnetism

[plucky juniper]

Which, mind you I really dig that idea a lot

[light linden]

it flew around very fast and caused issues multiple times for chrysadia by flying too fast too close to it

[split mortar]

What dragon made follies

[ruby heart]

Suspiciouslly bird looking dragon..

[split mortar]

iirc its been said yharons a virgin

[ruby heart]

(Yharon denying the paternity)

[ruby heart]

🥹

Is that a real lore accurate, ingame told thing

[light linden]

iirc stip said they flat out weren't

[split mortar]

No so it is changeable

[ruby heart]

Such a specific weird thing to comment on

[light linden]

or maybe that was cei

[ruby heart]

I know, just jking

[light linden]

I mean

I got ozzatron to say what infected armor plating is made of

[split mortar]

Infected armor plating…

[light linden]

didn't mean to

[heavy zenith]

gotta be somethin infected tbh

[light linden]

but I did

[ruby heart]

I do think if yharon trully was the folly's origin point

His pride would never let him confess on that

[split mortar]

Lmao

[plucky juniper]

I’m imagining his feathers randomly growing into tiny dragons that eventually evolved into the dragonfollies

Yharon does have the domain of rebirth…

[light linden]

e.g.

also I hope I turned the ping off

[cosmic zenith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[light linden]

otherwise ozzatron will vaporize me

[cosmic zenith]

It's fun to imagine

[ruby heart]

I do plan for one more species (already talked with the users in dev a while ago)

But its for when we work on abyss

The scalyfoot snails offshoots

[frosty charm]

How old

[ruby heart]

Except for the feather part

That is likely how wyrms got real

From the original primordial one..

(All clones)

[plucky juniper]

All?

Yknow what’s funny

[split mortar]

Huh
Genetic clonery?

[frosty charm]

Like tens or hundreds of years

[ruby heart]

I mean some irl species work like that

On the clone economy...

[wanton pendant]

Dragon mitosis?

[split mortar]

Yeah i know

[frosty charm]

Who'd win every dragonfolly or yharon

[split mortar]

So that means other wyrms could replace jared if silva buffs them and they live long

[frosty charm]

Personally
All in on folly

[split mortar]

If its post ml follies then the follies
Pre hardmode ones are getting genocided

[wanton pendant]

That's what Yharon does best.

[frosty charm]

True

What the fuck is his problem anyways

• "Nooo the dragons are dying"
• Half dragons spawn from him
• "Ywnbad"
  Lowk I think the dragons deserved to be eradicated...

[wanton pendant]

Yharon denies all claims on the matter.

[frosty charm]

Are you sure? Cause that's a lot of dragonfolly

[split mortar]

Yharon is not far behind scal who could delete that direction so i imagine yharon can delete that direction as well given time

[frosty charm]

Yes but there's a lot of dragonfolly
What's he going to do against the follytron

[light linden]

I feel like part of yharon's strength comes from him not being able to die

[ruby heart]

Pre hm follies vs yharon is like

[icy veldt]

Lowk I think the dragons deserved to be eradicated...
A kernel of truth, at last

[light linden]

so he can be dramatically more reckless and know a lot more in terms of how to fight

[ruby heart]

1 adult man vs 100 small birds

[wanton pendant]

What if they go for the eyes?

[ruby heart]

Except this man is immortal

And has fire powers

But the birds are electric

[frosty charm]

That's a lot of birds

[wanton pendant]

Could YOU fight 100 electric crows if they came flying at you?

[light linden]

no

[ruby heart]

If all follies went after yharon they problably would win after a long battle

[frosty charm]

See?

[ruby heart]

But they would lose most their numbers

[frosty charm]

Always bet on folly

[ruby heart]

And yharon would just revive

So they lose the war

[split mortar]

I disagree cause yharon has good aoe imo

[split mortar]

Oh right thats being reimplemented

[ruby heart]

You can have aoe, but a thousand mosquitos going back to back at you with electric powers

Would problably take you off eventually

[wanton pendant]

How many Dragonfolly's are there?

[ruby heart]

A substantial ammount

[frosty charm]

Follillion

[plucky juniper]

I wish you guys still stuck to giving yharon lightning

[frosty charm]

Nahh

[split mortar]

Ngl seemed a bit random

[frosty charm]

Fire fits the phoenix theme more

[plucky juniper]

flames… too many big post ml bosses with flames

[ruby heart]

Red lightining on yharon was more of a

[wanton pendant]

Electric because defibrillator.

[ruby heart]

"Fabsol saw it in a game and forcefully added them to it"

Said game being elden ring dragons

[split mortar]

Ofcourse

[split mortar]

Provi
Yharon
Scal
There is a good few

[long bloom]

point blank

[wanton pendant]

One of the Exo Mechs.

[frosty charm]

When you think about it lightning is just sharp fire

[wanton pendant]

Screw it, give Yharim a flamethrower.

[split mortar]

Thats not an entire fucking boss

[plucky juniper]

I think the real reason is that he probably still had the whole “dragonfolly are yharon clones” thing in the back of his head

[split mortar]

Ok avatar

[ruby heart]

No

It was elden ring

(Confirmed by the goverment)

[long bloom]

DoG has god slayer fire

[plucky juniper]

so it seemed weird to him that the clones had lightning but not the guy they copied?

[plucky juniper]

damn

[ruby heart]

That red lightning thing came after the lore rewrite

[frosty charm]

Also are there any other like, non murderous people other than the town npcs

Slash wandering cal ones

[split mortar]

No fuck you

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but not in game at present.

[split mortar]

Statis is a wandering npc

Braelor will distort

[plucky juniper]

I don’t blame him, ancient dragons were fire

[wanton pendant]

Probably normal people a continent over.

[ruby heart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286455423016112262/1294605236991823883/crab.gif

[frosty charm]

That's why I made that distinction

[split mortar]

Eat

[ruby heart]

If you count smart crabs as people

[frosty charm]

Sure

[ruby heart]

Although one of them will be a town npc...

The historian

[split mortar]

Wha

[ruby heart]

[frosty charm]

But I don't think I'm going to cover ilmeris at all since I can't fit in a slot so
Mostly abandoned continent still works thank god

[wanton pendant]

Historian? Sounds like a lore character, for NERDS!

[ruby heart]

Scavenger who learnt how to speak by reading amidias royal library books so he speaks a really eloquent and outdated english

[split mortar]

Mike
Make this persons name “nerd”

[ruby heart]

And also instead of valuing pearls like his other peer, he values history and artifacts

[plucky juniper]

though in reality we don’t need red lightning

give YHARON flame lightning instead

[wanton pendant]

Mods, kill.

[frosty charm]

Scavengers...?

Like...

Like...

Rain... World?

[wanton pendant]

Risk of Rain 2?

DAMN IT!

[ruby heart]

He will give you access to concept art of stuff you never see ingame (scourge before the incineration, pre ascencion xeroc, etc), access to a diferent perspective on lore stuff that isnt yharim biased view, and as reward for helping him, some trinkets and baubles

[ruby heart]

Ror 2

[frosty charm]

Nauurrr

[long bloom]

peam

[wanton pendant]

I need him on my desk YESTERDAY!

[frosty charm]

Scavs >>> Scavs

[long bloom]

@dusk laurel doc time

[ruby heart]

He problably will get real on pt2

[wanton pendant]

The funny option is that since it's from Ilmerian History books it's also biased but in the opposite direction.

[frosty charm]

Is ilmeris gonna be relevant at all around ml time
Is it even relevant now?

[wanton pendant]

I believe it will be relevant to around Golem, right?

[ruby heart]

Well his history knowledge come from sources all around the world

Ilmerian history books were just the kickstart

and you will help him expand his knowledge by bringing artifacts and stuff

[wanton pendant]

Why must you torment us so by not giving him to us now!

[long bloom]

can you make giving him the community mandatory so people stop using it

[split mortar]

Farms for a second one

[long bloom]

[split mortar]

Good job you just made peoples lives more inconvenient

[wanton pendant]

He's gonna name drop a place on a different continent and we're gonna be stuck trying to figure out anything about it for the next five years.

[long bloom]

true

[wanton pendant]

Can't wait to theorize about what ends up being Fantasy Bulgaria!

[plucky juniper]

He should give you it instead

[dusk laurel]

[north root]

they should name the historian after me because i know all the lore

[wanton pendant]

They should name the Historian after literally anyone else.

[ruby heart]

The lorekeeper..

[north root]

whenever they come out i will instantly upgrade to the tier that lets you name town npcs and name them after myself

the people need to know about the draconic revolutionary war and the communist regime of yharon

[wanton pendant]

They should name him the Knower because he knows.

[north root]

they should name ME the knower because I KNOW

[split mortar]

Said the brainless

[split mortar]

I didnt say shut up

[wanton pendant]

Your name's Jesus?

[north root]

used to be

[wanton pendant]

Sorry about what the Romans did.

[pliant ruin]

Wait that's really cool

Very fun concept for a npc

Time to add this to the future content doc

[cosmic zenith]

This isn't 100% confirmed, is it

You have told me of this idea before, but has it been agreed upon by the wider team?

@ruby heart

[pliant ruin]

It's an awesome idea and dosen't seem too hard to implement so i hope it gets in

It's a very fun idea for a npc and a good way of implementing some extra bits of lore trivia in a way that feels natural

Plus a new town npc is something i really didn't see coming until braelor/statis but it makes sense to get another "mundane" npc like bandit i think

[cosmic zenith]

Me too, it'd be great to have a lore NPC like this, especially one that's so neutral
But we still need to clarify on the status of everything we share

[pliant ruin]

Yeah that makes sense

[ruby heart]

ye

and its on taiga

(for a few months by now)

[cosmic zenith]

It's been proven that Taiga isn't a great way to inform the team

[cosmic zenith]

So I assume this means you've spoken to a lot of people in dev about it, including Ozz

[ruby heart]

ye

[spare pier]

It's been mentioned a good few times in Dev, yeah

[pliant ruin]

the humble historian

[real glen]

🔥

[random mulch]

not even in the game yet and already the best npc

[mighty zenith]

cräb

[woeful hatch]

Those glasses are doing NOTHING

I adore him

[sinful adder]

Ooh I like

Yeah those glasses aren't on the eyes lol

Unless this crab has fake eyestalks

[random mulch]

all smart people need a pair of glasses, it only adds to their smartness

[mighty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-bicycle-roy-leops-roy-gif-2973643211406561918

vibes

[random mulch]

more npcs that aren't significant lore characters pls

[pulsar ocean]

gorthus

[random mulch]

still praying that those evil biome cultists become real

[limpid saddle]

gorthus will never die...

[cloud ibex]

i have bad news for you

[stark basalt]

@willow pilot i have an idea

[dusk laurel]

[dense lynx]

Is there a lore resson why we can't kill Xeroc? Are we weak?

[fallen kindle]

yes

we are

[cloud ibex]

yeah that's literally the entire reason

they're too strong

[split mortar]

Unmatched power of the sun

[dense lynx]

But what we could?

[split mortar]

Wha?

[limpid saddle]

if you killed him the sun explodes or goes out

[wheat walrus]

p

[limpid saddle]

then everyone dies, the end 💖

[wheat walrus]

yess

let's do jt

[split mortar]

You can TERRARIAN YOU YOU YOU but that wint reflect in game and with in game gear we cant fight the sun

[dense lynx]

So we are just gonna let main villain live

[split mortar]

Yharims the main villain

Xeroc is like

Protecting the planet

[wheat walrus]

Secret dude

[split mortar]

Wha

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc

Secret dude

[limpid saddle]

he isnt the main villain though?

hes just kind of a guy

[wheat walrus]

Yes

[dense lynx]

Then what is Xeroc then? Just some dude?

[wheat walrus]

Secret guy

Secret user

[split mortar]

Guardian of the world

And yeah secret guy

[wheat walrus]

Secret of the world

:p

[dense lynx]

Yharim beat shit out of gods and yet things they had domain of still exsist

[split mortar]

Yeah

[limpid saddle]

Yeah but he controls primordial light

[split mortar]

The gods and dragons arent the literal concept of that stuff

[random mulch]

if the devs feel up to it after finishing yharim, xeroc might be added as a superboss,
won't get to kill them but at least you get to fight

[limpid saddle]

primordial light is the sun

If he stops making it actively be the sun

[split mortar]

The sun is just that unwieldy that xeroc is actively stopping the sun from scorching the planet

[dense lynx]

Or what we just made artifical sun

[limpid saddle]

who knows what will happen

[limpid saddle]

wouldnt work

The terrarian cant just 'make' primordial light

[fallen kindle]

why not

[split mortar]

Dont think anything is strong enough to make a new celestial object

[limpid saddle]

true

[fallen kindle]

xeroc is

right

[dense lynx]

I think i watched too much Diablo the Cheater

[split mortar]

I mean
Uh
The daybreak spear makes more of itself

[split mortar]

Who knows the devs havent come to a concensus on how strong they are iirc

[fallen kindle]

true

[limpid saddle]

Best case scenario we make a 'false sun' & the world lives in an eternal scorching light that doesnt stop nighttime monsters from fucking around as they please

oh yeah & the world is still permeneantly fucked from the real sun blowing up

[split mortar]

But also a single spear twice a second will take ages for a celestial object bigger then the moon

[limpid saddle]

I dont think the daybreak spear counts

[split mortar]

Why not

Solar frags are PL

It made of that

It inflicts PL debuff

[limpid saddle]

cause y'know

base terraria weapon

[split mortar]

And

[limpid saddle]

with no canon calamity explanation as far as i know

[split mortar]

There is

It is primordial light

Cei confirmed the theory of this months ago

We dunno what the other fragments are

But yeah moonlord had a fucked up version of primordial light under its control

[dense lynx]

Stardust might be stars in space or smth

[split mortar]

What do you think fallen stars are…

[dense lynx]

Vortex might be gravity

[limpid saddle]

how do you make gravity a physical object you can turn into a gun

[dense lynx]

Meld Construct is artifical

[split mortar]

Solar- primordial light
Vortex- something that warps gravity
Nebula- fucked up mana??
Stardust- something that warps life
Meld- uhhhhhhhhh gay

This my opinion

[dense lynx]

Thankful we dont count modded fragments or thta wouldve been to freaked up

Unless you want something from Celestal, White Dwarf, Shooting Star and Quasar

[random mulch]

light, physics, mana, life & death

[lament prairie]

orange, turquoise, pink, blue, & black

[split mortar]

Yeah colours exist

[pulsar ocean]

stardust is obviously a jojo reference

[split mortar]

True

[pliant ruin]

The idea that if xeroc dies the sun explodes/goes out is really weird to me tbh

I don't think that makes much sense? Because like how would life even Exist on terraria if Zeratros had to control the sun to make it Liveable to begin with

I think it's far more reasonbale to say that

[young socket]

providence died that means no fire or ash exists anymore

[pliant ruin]

Without Xeroc, it'd just be

Hotter

[young socket]

itd just be hell tbh

[pliant ruin]

To a degree where live would probably be much harder on the surface

Basically just

draconic age again

That makes sense to me

but the idea that if xeroc dies life on earth DIES and the sun KILLS EVERYONE makes like no sense to mea nd if anything is kind of silly worldbuilding in a not very good way imo

[wheat walrus]

mrow

[wheat walrus]

true

[pliant ruin]

idrk where people even got that idea afrom

[wheat walrus]

lore discussion being lore discussion

ok genuinely where did ppl get the idea that killing a god kills their domain

[pliant ruin]

Basically yeah
Yharim just treats him as this unholy malicious entity because he's Yharim

[wheat walrus]

if that was true we'd have like nothing atp

[pliant ruin]

The list of crimes xeroc did includes uh

• Killing Zeratros
• Thats it
• He probably had a good reason to do i t

[wheat walrus]

No slimes, no sea, no electricity, no sacrificing our guide

[tall delta]

tyrian guy dies and all water of the world disappear

[wheat walrus]

Yea

[stoic gulch]

Can you get the auric soul from a god after killing them so you become god squared

[wheat walrus]

Demigods

[pliant ruin]

The list of crimes yharim did includes

• Genocide
• Incineration of Civlians
• Grooming and usage of Child Soldiers
• Racism
• Ecosystem destruction and species extinction
• am i missing any

[split mortar]

I agree with it being hotter then exploding but
The world soul existed before the dragons so i think saying zeratros had to be there for life to come is not the case

[pliant ruin]

i also disagree with that

it still dosen't really make sense

[split mortar]

Im not saying its the case

[wheat walrus]

What does dungeon/polter count as

[pliant ruin]

the world soul was... controllingg the sun's light????

I just think the idea that the Sun relies on any entity in terraria to not be a cataclysmic doomsday event is just silly

[wheat walrus]

If only I could reveal what the world soul is,,,

Anyways, Xeroc dies, nothing changes because no one is there to change the settings again anyways

We happy now

[split mortar]

I mean
Like
Thats where auric souls come from
Not out the question the source of the primlight domain would have control of the same thing
But i agree the sun shouldnt end life on the entire planeg or explode or anything

[pliant ruin]

I'm fine with it being a case where the domain of primordiial light allowed Zeratros and subsequently Xeroc to lower the sun's heat to some extent and if Xeroc died it'd be hotter and thus alot hardet to live on the surface

Like that's cool

[split mortar]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

It just means that compared to earth Terraria is probably overall a much hotter planet in its "natural" state

And that Xeroc managed to make it cooler to a degree close to that of irl earth

[wheat walrus]

icl as much as I get why I think the idea of Xeroc having to nerf the sun is lwk boring like I imagined when Xeroc became a god the sun shone like never before cause It'd be cool n stuff

[pliant ruin]

hype moments and aura

[wheat walrus]

True

Also makes sense anyways

[long bloom]

it did shine like never before

it just shined less

[wheat walrus]

Xeroc is much stronger than Zeratros

[pliant ruin]

I mean im pretty sure

he could do that if he wanted to

[wheat walrus]

pipebomb :3

[pliant ruin]

It's just that he dosen't really

wanna

[long bloom]

💥

[pliant ruin]

Would not be goof for the economy

[wheat walrus]

Weak

[split mortar]

Gay people

[wheat walrus]

Who cares abt the economy anyways

[pliant ruin]

It'd affect the trout population

[split mortar]

That’s the true horrors

[pliant ruin]

Can't have that happening

[wheat walrus]

no gay ppl are strong

Braelor and Statis

[wheat walrus]

Nah

They're strong enough

[pliant ruin]

Though i suppose it could work in a alternate universe where Terraria was naturally a colder planet and then Zeratros made it a bit less cold and Xeroc made it even less cold bringing it to average earth standards

lol

[stoic lark]

gay people are canonically a minimum of post ML

[pliant ruin]

gg same narrative but now xeroc made the sun brighter instead

[wheat walrus]

Yuh

[split mortar]

Xeroc for moon level agenda

[pliant ruin]

also i remember hearing something about the sun spinning around earth

in calamity

[split mortar]

Yea

[pliant ruin]

rather than the other way around

[wheat walrus]

Humans living in Hell makes more sense now b Pre-Asc Xeroc being bald makes even less sense

[split mortar]

Sun orbits planet

[pliant ruin]

and can i say i really hope that's not true because like

why .

[split mortar]

Idk ask cei

[wheat walrus]

Mountain Level take or leave

[pliant ruin]

In my eyes it's a really weird choice to make that has no bearing in the worldbuilding or narrative besides just messing up some things

Like it just feels like a really Why thing to have

Like do seasons not exist or

[wheat walrus]

I'd give context but dev statements 🥱

[stoic lark]

the terraria world is a magically physically accurate flat earth model

[split mortar]

@manic coral question
Why sun the planet orbit

[pliant ruin]

The sun being magic funky light is cool and good and impacts the worldbuilding and narrative in a significant way without having any like major drawbacks like thats good yayy primordial light

[wheat walrus]

this why we only take what's completed

[pliant ruin]

The sun being naturally hotter than the irl sun and xeroc haivng had to cool it down to bring to temperatures closer to that of real earth that's fine too

[stoic lark]

if it's not in game it isn't real

[pliant ruin]

But like

[stoic lark]

that means i can lie all i want and it won't be put in the lore doc

finally

[pliant ruin]

The sun spinning around the earth just feels like a completely random change

Which i just dunno why you'd do that

And it just brings up alot of questions

[wheat walrus]

THANK YOU

[stark basalt]

that's been known the world just ends after a while. if you go past where the screen stops you just fall off the world

[stoic lark]

true

[pliant ruin]

pack it up everynyan

yharim isn't real

he's not in the game

[split mortar]

Yharim isnt real

[pliant ruin]

this truly was our calamity

[stoic lark]

the only part of the world that actually exists is the area we play in

[wheat walrus]

He's mentioned doe

[split mortar]

Chat noxus isnt real

[stoic lark]

yharim's name is in the game therefore the concept of a yharim is real

[split mortar]

Noxus isnt real

[wheat walrus]

And he talks to u

[pliant ruin]

Yharim (the concept) may be real

but not Yharim (the man)

[long bloom]

the concept of a noxus isn't real

[split mortar]

Yharim the man vs yharim the idea

[wheat walrus]

Noxus is js not given a name

[stark basalt]

fuck i was about to make that joke

[wheat walrus]

Melon Gun too fast

[split mortar]

Or really
Mentioned much

[stoic lark]

all the gods died
why?
the concept of yharim

[long bloom]

trur

[wheat walrus]

Yea he's only hinted at

Fraudxus

[pliant ruin]

i stompy a goddy

[split mortar]

Yharim outerversal he only exists conceptually

[stoic lark]

auric soul of yharim

[wheat walrus]

killing you melon

[long bloom]

i find it very funny how, since the mod is unfinished, literally every character is potential man

[split mortar]

Ok good i got the result i wanted

[wheat walrus]

eating a melon

[split mortar]

Except scal and draedon

[pliant ruin]

Draedon and Calamitas actually do shit

theyre the only ones who are immune

[stoic lark]

draedon has critical overimportance syndrome

[limpid saddle]

yharim scales above fiction because he crawled out of my screen & beat me viciously

[wheat walrus]

So true

[pliant ruin]

🙏

[stoic lark]

scal just is there

[wheat walrus]

Team Draedon or Team Calamitas yall

[split mortar]

Xeroc is above fiction he lost a fight to a old grandma while robbing a bank or something

[long bloom]

dron

[pliant ruin]

calamari always

caloro

calzone

calamity

[wheat walrus]

true

[pliant ruin]

calamoitas

that one

[stoic lark]

calamoitas

[split mortar]

Loro
A doro
A
Learo

[pliant ruin]

stabs you

[wheat walrus]

😭

[stoic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/yharim-calamity-mod-gif-12837822621050293764

[stoic gulch]

True

[stoic lark]

yharim ocnept art

[pliant ruin]

i think i still have the image

[split mortar]

Did i just remind you of that story

[pliant ruin]

yep

still have it

[wheat walrus]

Yuh

[stoic lark]

lmao?

[limpid saddle]

im forming my own subsidiary of Team Calamitas called Team Calamitas Clone

[stoic lark]

team yhon always wins

[wheat walrus]

It's based on a real story

[limpid saddle]

i will be the only member as only 3 people alive & dead care about her

[pliant ruin]

some guy with a primordial light tattoo tried to rob a bank and got his shit rocked by a grandma

🥀

[split mortar]

6-9 being complete wack…

[wheat walrus]

Ye

Grandma w a stick

[limpid saddle]

Transmasc Providence call that Providan

[split mortar]

Xeroc broke out of fiction and immediately fucking lost all their aura

[wheat walrus]

Providans

[stoic lark]

xeroc loses to the average grandma

fortunately he lives in a world without them

[pliant ruin]

actually yeah

there are no hags in calamity mod

[young socket]

what is this

😭

[pliant ruin]

i cant think of a single old woman character

[split mortar]

But @pliant ruin is a hag and is literally calamitas

[pliant ruin]

unless you count like silva but she dosent look like a hag

[stoic lark]

exactly

[young socket]

providence?

[stoic lark]

grandmas die the instant their grandchildren are born

[pliant ruin]

but i dont look like a hag either and im a hag so actually yeah you know what

sure it counts

[stoic lark]

yharim never could've risen to power otherwise

[pliant ruin]

silvas a hag

[split mortar]

Are you not aware of the xeroc getting beat up by a grandma while trying to rob a bank story

[young socket]

sure u dont look like a hag

sure

[pliant ruin]

nope i'm beautiful and pretty and cute

[split mortar]

Said by eldest person ever

[long bloom]

proof?

[pliant ruin]

i post selfies all the time you can just search for them

[split mortar]

Edited

[long bloom]

true

[pliant ruin]

see this is what i have to deal with... these #haters who are #jealous and #probably dont know what an air #fryer is

[stark basalt]

i regret looking back at this channel

[long bloom]

i own an air fryer

[wheat walrus]

I'm green

[young socket]

just checked and youre a HAG

[limpid saddle]

yeah thats canon #general-media message

[pliant ruin]

yeah i bet you don't have an air fryer either

[wheat walrus]

Cheese would lose to a grandma w a stick

[pliant ruin]

thank you ggg thjats why ur goated

[stoic lark]

https://tenor.com/view/slugcats-rain-world-gif-9079378395460751090

[limpid saddle]

thanks cheese

[stoic lark]

anyway real and true calamity lore: statis wears a wig

[long bloom]

real

he's bald

[pliant ruin]

poor guy

signus took his hair too

[long bloom]

and xeroc's

tragic

[pliant ruin]

give my goat his hair back .......

ascended xeroc is about to ltierally just be the same design as pre-ascencion but he has hair

[stoic lark]

yea he traded his hair for sushi

[limpid saddle]

by taking the limbs & hair of a homosexual has signus by the transitive process become 40% gay by mass

[stoic lark]

he thought it was temporary but no signus just made him bald

[pliant ruin]

congratulations signus on coming out as bi

man i cant wait to actually get more signus content ingame

hes like the biggest potential man in calamity

[split mortar]

With a preference towards the horrors

[pliant ruin]

he has a shit ton of potential

but ingame he dosent do anything

[limpid saddle]

true

[stoic lark]

bidimensional

[limpid saddle]

the true megumi of calamity

but in reverse cause he steals somebodies body to snatch their potential not the other way around

[wheat walrus]

So he's more like Yuta

[limpid saddle]

yeah but Yuta's not a potential man

hes just

man

[wheat walrus]

True

[wheat walrus]

He does do shit

So Signus is Yuta with the writing of Megumi

[limpid saddle]

greatest diss of all time

[wheat walrus]

Signus VS the forest shark grade 3 curse

[limpid saddle]

hes gonna need to drop the domain expansion for this one

anyway im gonna get back to bashing my skull against the WoF in my basegame solo Master Mode playthrough

goodbye lore chat

[wheat walrus]

goodbye triple g

[limpid saddle]

love you 💖

[wheat walrus]

me too bud

[pliant ruin]

damn mr breast showed up for a split second

[north root]

is the lore good yet

did they fix it

[long bloom]

no

[pulsar ocean]

does signus have insane potential

[split mortar]

Signus has been compared to noxus in the type of being it is

[pulsar ocean]

did signus die to a blue slime like megumi

[split mortar]

Depends on what your terrarian is

[pulsar ocean]

what if im jetstream sam from the not so hit game metal gear rising : revengeance

[split mortar]

Then uh
No

Idk

[pulsar ocean]

can jetstream sam beat mahoraga

[split mortar]

Mahoraga would normally survive but jetstream sam is too gay

[north root]

is the terrarian allowed to be yharim

or xeroc

[split mortar]

You are burdened with making that work but tho

[real glen]

that image is so useful like fr lol

[odd magnet]

yharim time travels to kill himself

[split mortar]

But then paradox

[odd magnet]

either way he dies

[limpid saddle]

yharim five years later goes like 'fuuuck maybe i was wrong' & begs his babydaddy Draedon to make a time machine for him

ignore how Yharim doesnt recognise himself or how Yharon doesnt recognise the Terrarian as Yharim or how Calamitas doesnt recognise the Terrarian as Yharim or how Draedon doesnt recognise the Terrarian as Yharim & there are absolutely no holes in this theory

[wanton pendant]

And then gets super muscle atrophy and Yharon stops being his BFF due to not being racist enough.

He also gets plastic surgery.

[hoary cape]

He is also shorter

And can also be a girl instead of a guy when he goes back in time

[wanton pendant]

Stop reading my mind.

[split mortar]

Genderchange potion

[hoary cape]

Yharimy female yharim

[pulsar ocean]

couldnt the devs just name yharim the tyrant instead of the jungle tyrant

[hoary cape]

He isn't the jungle tyrant anymore

That's old lore

[real glen]

The god seeking

[rigid kettle]

Hello, i just fought DoG for fun rq and i thought of something i surely missed in the lore, is that why would DoG say "a god does not fear death" in the middle of the fight if the terrarian and DoG are none of them gods ? So maybe i didn't know but DoG was a god or smth

[long bloom]

that dialogue is from before gods were an actual thing

but it's way too iconic to remove now

DoG is not a god

[real glen]

Until Distortion update..

[rigid kettle]

Like DoG having dialogue is and old thing in the mod ? I thought it was added like a year ago

After all i understand it's cool as hell

[wanton pendant]

DoG calls himself a god because he's a narcissist.

[long bloom]

DoG's dialogue has not changed in 4 years

[wanton pendant]

He is not actually a god.

[rigid kettle]

I see

[split mortar]

And the current writers and continuity have existed for less then like
3

[rigid kettle]

Was never Reading chat lol i had too much random stuff here

[long bloom]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

If DoG was a god, Yharim would have killed him, but instead he hired them.

[rigid kettle]

Calamity anime when tho

[wanton pendant]

2039 In our dreams.

[split mortar]

Out of any character to falsely call themself a god out of ego it would be dog

[long bloom]

2088

[split mortar]

I ate it

[rigid kettle]

If we can get yharim before gta7 it could be nice

[rigid kettle]

You monster

You truly are a devourer

[rigid kettle]

Without being offensive dev got crazy work on this game

Take their time i want yharim to be the highest

[long bloom]

true!

[split mortar]

They will take their time that is the plan

[rigid kettle]

Aight thanks for responding me chat ima go have a nice day

[split mortar]

Make the rest of the mod up to standard and then do yharim once the rest is good

Cya

[long bloom]

goobye

[real glen]

gn

[pulsar ocean]

why was plague needed for the lore

And the game

[zenith geode]

draedon experimenting

[cloud ibex]

it wasn't

but it's in the game so now they're working with it

[light linden]

it's partially a relic of old times but uh

[zenith geode]

i feel like it does help to show just what he can do

[light linden]

it's purpose in the lore now is what caused the divide between yharim and draedon

[long bloom]

fabsol wanted to add queen bee but green in 2017

[light linden]

tbh

I'm happy they did

still my favorite fight in hardmode and infernum

it's hectic enough to be challenging but not enough to be a bullet hell

[hoary cape]

You are not a god, but I will feed on your essence none the less -dog

[north root]

you are a god, so i will refrain from masticating thoust yharic soul theresoforth -CaT

[wanton pendant]

Can we publicly hang the patrons yet?

[split mortar]

Yes

[long bloom]

:(

[north root]

someday i will get 5 dollars of extra income, and move to the patron server

and then

you'll realize how much i added to this place

and you'll miss me

[split mortar]

You aint a patreon

[long bloom]

still in da server

[dusk laurel]

wait are you just allowed to like stay

[wanton pendant]

Alright, fine, don't worry.
Can we publicly hang the patrons and Xzier_Tengal yet?

[dusk laurel]

😭

[split mortar]

Wait wha

[long bloom]

yeah they don't kick you out

[split mortar]

Damn

[fleet wedge]

Peak

[north root]

i will pay 5 extra dollar one time so that i can go to pateron server

[fleet wedge]

I won't because I'm broke

[north root]

imagine not getting pension

[wanton pendant]

Money.

[wheat walrus]

why are you the terrarian

[wanton pendant]

What is a Terrarian, but a miserable little pile of progression?

[wheat walrus]

why are we the terrarian and not someone else

😔

they always say

"the terrarian's lore is up to you", "the terrarian is you"

but never "you are who you wanna be"

it all returns to the terrarian

[twin stone]

The Eggni's lore is up to you

[wheat walrus]

true !

[snow mountain]

the terrarian is the gangstalker outside my window

it knocks

[north root]

why do I have to be the terrarian huh

why can't i be someone else

i thought this was a goddamn sandbox and i don't even get to choose my character

what happened to freedom of speech

freedom of expression

life, liberty, pursuit of happiness

[woeful hatch]

Me when I have to become an arsonist war criminal IRL for immersion (I am doing flamethrower only and I am the terrarian):

[split mortar]

The terrarian is whatever you want
You can be whatever you want
Whoever you want
You can do anything
You are jevil
Jevil solos yharim

[wanton pendant]

Skeletron Prime Roleplay.

[north root]

the worst phrase ever uttered in lore discussion

arguably

[split mortar]

Dont think skeletron prime has appeared in the rp or been mentioned 💔

[wanton pendant]

Not that one!

[split mortar]

I think the moonlord xeroc noxus polycule is prob higher up

[woeful hatch]

Tell me more about it

[wanton pendant]

What about the Devourer of Gods not devouring gods question?

[wanton pendant]

Gay.

[split mortar]

Just remembering some old shit i said

[woeful hatch]

Yeah no shit

Speaking of which statis and Braelor should agree to spar with you together after you rescue them

[north root]

i'm very torn over if the profaned guardians are providence's twitch chat mods or providence's polycule

i think the first one is funnier

[woeful hatch]

Why not both

Providence is the girlboss of the polycule

[wanton pendant]

They're her girlfriends.

It's probably toxic, you know, with the whole genocide thing.

[north root]

is this canon in the lore confirmed by the devs

[woeful hatch]

There's clearly a power imbalance in the polycule but they're all into it

[wanton pendant]

Sí.

[north root]

how many devs was it just one or multiple

[split mortar]

No dont think so
But
iirc they all like women so theoretically possible?

[woeful hatch]

I did hear devs say it was a polycule but idk if they meant it seriously or as a joke or as a possible theory/interpretation

[split mortar]

Does someone want me grabbing rebecca saying their sexualities

[wanton pendant]

Go citation they, go!

[woeful hatch]

Sure

[north root]

profaned guardians are the profaned egirl providence's legendary moderation team who shall strike down anyone who dares trespass upon provi's content house

it makes me feel better about killing them anyway

[split mortar]

Oh commander isnt in the poly rip

[woeful hatch]

Commander is the 4th wheel can't believe it

[north root]

commander is the only actual dedicated mod and the other two are just provi simps

this is why they die first

[woeful hatch]

Are they simps if it's reciprocated

They're just dedicated girlfriends

[wanton pendant]

Sorry, it's hard to read, it became British tea discussion and I had to look away.

[north root]

provi likes them but like not That much

its almost partly a little bit reciprocated

[woeful hatch]

Wait now I know this isn't canon but my new headcanon for infernum is that commander throws defender at you out of frustration of having to spend literal centuries with a polycule

[north root]

i came up with this because i love the image of the guardians just making a gigantic wall of fire to prevent you from reaching providence's temple if you couldn't tell

[wanton pendant]

Infernum discussion in lore discussion? I'm throwing the one ring into Mt. Doom.

[north root]

which of course came from the infinite rage i feel at the infernum profaned guardians fight

skill check of the century

[woeful hatch]

Well hey once you beat them providence is easier

And she's also very fun

[wanton pendant]

Oh no.

We talked about Providence too much.

[icy veldt]

I love how I can just start typing anything at all, while lore chat has mentioned Providence recently, and instantly emit a menacing aura

[north root]

avitus is the final challenger in the quest to providence

[visual kiln]

gay people lore

[wanton pendant]

Later.

[north root]

there are no gay people in calamity

[wanton pendant]

Soon.

[north root]

statis was actually a girl the whole time

[wanton pendant]

Str*ight people? In my Calamity!?

[distant smelt]

There was probably a point during the ilmeran inceneration where all their shrimp was cooked just right

Like maybe only a few seconds-milliseconds but still

[north root]

calamitas isn't australian as we have confirmed

she doesn't know how to put shrimp on the barbie

[wanton pendant]

She doesn't know how to do anything except use they phone, be asexual, eat hot rocks and cry.

[twin stone]

Do you guys think it possible to have a God willingly give up the Auric Soul they took?

As in either pass it on or smth like that

[sinful adder]

No

It 100% isn't

[twin stone]

Do you have references

[sinful adder]

Because it's a magic process that combines their souls

Removing them would be like unscrambling an egg

[sinful adder]

Lore writer statements in this channel over the years

[twin stone]

What about someone absorbing it again

Obvs Yharim is against it so they never did

[sinful adder]

Also not possible

Any non auric souls explode into essence on death

Well there's also some other ones but those are different

And anyways combining any more than 2 souls severely screws up the resulting soul. That's how you get poultergast

[twin stone]

Well I knew that

Do you think an Auric Soul could be stored but not used

So the dragon was killed but then the soul was kept aside

The only reason I ask is because I'm trying not to contradict the lore

[real silo]

Probably

Yharon's soul was put inside an egg

[twin stone]

So if someone had a similar vessel

Ok I might be able to work with that

[sinful adder]

It automatically returns to yharon's egg which magically appears

It's stored inside a living thing

Although it might be possible to trap the soul

[twin stone]

I'll toy with the idea

Or might create a whole new concept altogether idk

[real silo]

Always morally correct to come up with a fucked up third inbetween thing

[pastel bay]

What if we hard boil the egg his soul is in what then

Hypothetically of course

[north root]

thats how you get the lorde

[warm gull]

sans

[cloud ibex]

That probably counts as killing him so another decade in the support queue

[lament prairie]

i have a headcanon that the generating new world screen is basically calamity's past events currently unfolding

[pulsar ocean]

does he know

[woeful hatch]

I wonder how draedon managed to put them inside of the base Mechs then

Because I don't think it's just essence in that case?

[woeful hatch]

Sadly they tried but they used lava instead of water

Didn't turn out to work too well

[limpid saddle]

I think Ben's a little misconstrued

Only God Souls are known to destabilize & explode upon leaving their vessel

I mean we see regular souls just floatin around all the time in hard mode

[woeful hatch]

Yeah that's what I knew as well, I wasn't sure about the other souls

[sinful adder]

Ah yeah I guess I got it mixed up

[agile matrix]

anyone got a timeline/list of events in order from "creation" to "RIGHT FREAKING NOW. RIGHT NOW MAN. YOU BEING HERE" on hand

[limpid saddle]

i know somebody was working on that

@long bloom you were doing that right?

[pliant ruin]

I thought that was skelli

Calamity's timeline dosen't go as far back as the Creation of The Universe or anything but the oldest events we know of are the World Soul shattering during prehistory

[agile matrix]

i thought there was mention of that one dude (i dont remmeber his name) making a rock then making a lot more stuff after

[pliant ruin]

Then leading to the Dragons obtaining the shards of the world soul and turning into Auric Dragons

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc, he didn't make the rock

[agile matrix]

i thought he made the rock???

[random mulch]

old lore

[pliant ruin]

yep

[agile matrix]

i am dumbfounded

[pliant ruin]

It's just a rock he carved

[agile matrix]

speak your words of wisdoms to me

[pliant ruin]

Xeroc isn't a creator deity

[random mulch]

lore got rewritten 2 and a half years ago or smth

[agile matrix]

i thought that was like God with a G man

okay just dump it on me: from as far back as we know to right now

unorganized idgaf i will absorb this knowledge

[pliant ruin]

yeah there's no God with a G in a calamity

Okay so

[random mulch]

first event is the world soul shattering, with the fragments turning into auric souls

we don't have a single clue what caused it

[agile matrix]

im gonna say harry the hamster

[pliant ruin]

Way too mcuh to condense in a singular timeline of events but for the general gist of the most important things

[fallen kindle]

is there a god with an X?

[agile matrix]

far too WotG pilled for me to think theres no God with a G in calamity my bad

[random mulch]

WotG and its consequences have been a disaster for calamity lore discussion

[agile matrix]

yes yes it has

infernum has also probably caused soulshattering levels of issues no

[random mulch]

other than some small things like still referring to draedon as the "'cosmic engineer", not really

[agile matrix]

-# getting the best calamity lore guys, the best infernum lore guys, and the best WotG lore guys in a room together and making them make a lore that SOMEHOW wraps it all together

[agile matrix]

isnt he??? doesnt he make things on a cosmic scale?

[random mulch]

infernum's also just gonna stop being updated to new calamity versions since calamity's gonna update its bosses again

[random mulch]

nope,

[agile matrix]

i am so far behind.

[fallen kindle]

its like trying to tape tape to tape with no tape

[agile matrix]

just use Glue.

[random mulch]

he wants to travel to space but he's very much stuck on this rock for now

[fallen kindle]

i want tape

[agile matrix]

i thought he was IN space

[random mulch]

nah he's hanging around somewhere on the planet

[agile matrix]

howd this sociopath freakazoid incel make armor for a gigantic space worm

[fallen kindle]

weld

metal

done

[agile matrix]

with what metal.......

[random mulch]

cosmilite

[fallen kindle]

metallic metal

cosmilyie

[agile matrix]

thats from space howd he get ti

[random mulch]

it's from the distortion

[agile matrix]

oh yea thats a thing

[fallen kindle]

hands

[agile matrix]

right

[fallen kindle]

cheese is typing another essay

[agile matrix]

hey im okay with it

i want all the lore

[fallen kindle]

yesss

more lore

[agile matrix]

this WOULD be really funny though

"hey guys can you take these three mods and make them all work together good okay byeee"

what WOULD be really funny is to have all the big main current tmodloader mods make lores that cohesion with each other

[pliant ruin]

most mods dont even have lore

[fallen kindle]

cheatsheet lore

[agile matrix]

main content

[random mulch]

one note though is that calamity's lore is kinda considered "incomplete", since not all of the lore has been added to the mod and plenty of content has yet to be updated to fit the new lore

[agile matrix]

well yea

but id presume that hte past doesnt have like

a gigantic hole in it

thats just Nothing Happens™

id presume at least something is there for the time being

[sinful adder]

Don't worry they've got another decade to rewrite the lore again before the yahrim update

[random mulch]

also (for now) one thing it's lacking is differing perspectives

[agile matrix]

wheres that one gif of spiderman chained in the subway

[random mulch]

the most prominent way you get lore currently is from yharim, who is extremely biased and manipulative

[agile matrix]

they're waiting for ONE guy to show up to whoever the owners is front door and say "okay so theres this guy named tommy and hes been around since like. rocks"

"since rocks have existed tommy has been there, and once rocks are gone he'll be too"

[random mulch]

the deific era is vague currently

[agile matrix]

okay on a scale from "this is a toddler who will cry to get candy" and "this dude has set up fifteen different discord accounts to fool his one friend that he gets game" whats yharim

[random mulch]

"genocidal maniac who fully believes he's doing the right thing" level

[agile matrix]

hmmmmmm

is he?

[random mulch]

he is

[agile matrix]

then the issue is

[pliant ruin]

yeah he's basically that

[agile matrix]

he's doing the right thing, he just really really sucks at it
but he IS doing the right thing. on the big scale.

[pliant ruin]

no he'sdoing the wrong thing

Like objectively wrong

[random mulch]

he's doing the wrong thing

[limpid saddle]

He believes all Gods are ontogically evil & that all supporters of Gods are by the transitive process also evil

[pliant ruin]

That's the funny thing about yharim he convinces you that he's doing the right thing

He's incredibly manipulative

[agile matrix]

what do the Gods do and what does Yharim do as replacement

[random mulch]

truly incredible how it actually works on a surprising amount of people

[sinful adder]

That's just the sand elemental

[limpid saddle]

this is why he made the Combination Civilian Slaughterer & Church Burner 9000 (Skeletron Prime) with Draedon

[pliant ruin]

man this text so big its turning into a note pad

[agile matrix]

no i mean like older than that

older than sand elemental rocks

[pliant ruin]

i mean

its a literal manifestation of the elements

so by all means

as long as rocks have existed

[agile matrix]

old rocks

not sand

[pliant ruin]

in theory

[random mulch]

gods are as varied as people, they aren't a cohesive unit

[sinful adder]

Also no, yharim is not doing the right thing on any scale

Never was

[random mulch]

to become a god you have to consume an auric soul, which involves getting it from a dragon. how this auric souls is obtained can vary

[agile matrix]

i mean my basis is Yharim™ and

his very very unstable brimstone creature
a sociopath

[random mulch]

yharim's replacement for the gods is nothing

[agile matrix]

..... and this does what

[pliant ruin]

what very unstable brimstone creature and what sociopath

[limpid saddle]

He just thinks the world would be better if they were all dead

[agile matrix]

scal and draedon

[agile matrix]

........ and would it??????????? whys he doin this

[random mulch]

scal is a person and draedon just doesn't have any morals