#lore-discussion

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leaden bridge
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Thus xeroc loses

wanton pendant
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Calamitas wins because I like her. :)

icy veldt
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Well depends on the size of the moon. IRL Earth survived having something the size of Mars yoten into it, and it got a moon out of that event

north root
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only calamitas clone wins

leaden bridge
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Calamitas loses because I hate her. >:)

north root
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the eye of desolation can compress infinitely

wanton pendant
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Yeah, if you're drunk when you do the calculations. Xeroc is at least 15 Glarinx in strength!

leaden bridge
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Dude

icy veldt
leaden bridge
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15 glarinx is 2 glorpians

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Learn your fucking unit conversions

long bloom
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i think they're roughly 9.5 gleebles

wanton pendant
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Only if you use third edition.

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But who the hell uses that anymore?

north root
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can glorpians compress infinitely

leaden bridge
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Dude

north root
leaden bridge
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You say that like there's been 20 editions since

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There's only been one

long bloom
leaden bridge
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And nobody uses fourth EVER

wanton pendant
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And it was GREAT!

leaden bridge
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Because they introduced plong mechanics

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And that makes NO SENSE

wanton pendant
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You're just blinded by nostalgia for the old system!

leaden bridge
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REAL powerscalers know plong is WORTHLESS and destroys the whole point

wanton pendant
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The new one is innovative, thought provoking, and far more reasonable than that garbage!

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I'd use first edition before using third!

leaden bridge
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If 10 plong can be elevated to 15 plong exclusively through body feats then what's the point of having glerps

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That's why glerps were introduced in second edition

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But noooo they'd rather remove glerps

wanton pendant
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Yeah, because they kicked out the moron that decided to add some frivolous nonsense and give the people what they wanted!

brazen swallow
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seeing this conversation feels like showing a victorian child the nameless deity fight

leaden bridge
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You'll eat your words when that "moron" finally releases rebooted first edition on their own

wanton pendant
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Yeah, that fundraiser was TOTALLY not a scam!

leaden bridge
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and it becomes instantly more popular than fourth or fifth

wanton pendant
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Fifth will rock the damn world when it comes out!

leaden bridge
wanton pendant
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Yeah, it's about as certain as that board game where the SUN told them what to implement!

leaden bridge
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You can't be serious if you think plong accesories are what these things NEEDED

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that's just a money grab

wanton pendant
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It's called innovation!

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But you're too stuck in the past to see it!

leaden bridge
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for the sake of what dog

long bloom
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the glorpian beef is crazy

wanton pendant
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Stay out of this!

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You don't understand the nuance behind dedicated calculators.

leaden bridge
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Glerps already covered everything plongs are trying to cover

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And they didn't need plong accessories or whatever

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It was a SINGLE purchase

wanton pendant
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You fail to understand that they are for different things, but you generalize too hard and think they're redundant!

leaden bridge
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But now in fifth if you want accurate calculations you'll need ALL plong accesories????

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And, sure, most people don't need to use all of those

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aome accesories are very niche

wanton pendant
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I'm sorry for liking ACCURACY when I'm doing the numbers!

leaden bridge
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Not many people need cookwear powerscaling

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But you could have THAT accuracy with glerps

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You didn't need ANYTHING else

wanton pendant
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It's important for understanding the digestive system scales!

leaden bridge
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Only if you don't use the guides like a moron

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They're in the manual

wanton pendant
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How else would you figure out poison resists! By using phys? Nonesense!

leaden bridge
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It's not even fan content since third

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Which is EXACTLY why we use third

leaden bridge
wanton pendant
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Third had the most obnoxiously moronic system for that!

wanton pendant
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I can't believe we were entertaining such notions!

leaden bridge
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if you don't want to use your brain sure

wanton pendant
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I'm sorry for not wanting to solve fifteen variables for each god damn micro-position!

leaden bridge
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They're LITERALLY already solved in the guide

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they're only missing for super specific scenarios

wanton pendant
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Not for edge case it's not!

leaden bridge
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Like a 5a 78 - 67 micro

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But who the fuck ever does that

wanton pendant
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And then you're there all day doing calculus and you just want to erase corploxes from the history of the damn world!

leaden bridge
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if get there low-key your fault

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Hopefully we can agree on that

wanton pendant
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Sorry for running detailed campaigns.

leaden bridge
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Frankly if you're anywhere near 78 - 67 micro you don't know what you're doing

leaden bridge
wanton pendant
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Or maybe you're too much of a coward, not wanting to experiment!

leaden bridge
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literally no reason to use micros

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They're removing them on fifth edition

wanton pendant
leaden bridge
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Even they don't agree

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Which is fair because micros suck balls

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They're also being removed in rebooted first edition

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A thing EVERYONE can agree on

wanton pendant
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Fair, the new system looks better anyway.

leaden bridge
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All in all xeroc still loses but you'd have to give the hammer to tinkaton

wanton pendant
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Yeah, because you need the type effectiveness, kinda cheapens it all.

leaden bridge
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We mean yeah but that's just a normal advantage obviously

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like you can't say that if you can eat the sun it doesn't count because it leaves xeroc powerless

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It does count it's just not a straight 1-1 match

wanton pendant
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Xeroc doesn't get their powers from the sun!

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Their power is to control the sun, and Primordial Light!

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Rookie error.

leaden bridge
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wait pause like actually

wanton pendant
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No wonder your calculations are off.

leaden bridge
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We thought his whole deal is that without the sun he'd be much weaker

wanton pendant
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Xeroc has the power of Primordial Light.

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Which is produced by the sun, yeah.

leaden bridge
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Yeah but like we thought they mostly needed the sun to do powerful shit

wanton pendant
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But Xeroc can also make it, I mean, why wouldn't he?

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Xeroc can remove the sun if he wills it.

leaden bridge
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Like without it they still have power but not as much as just using the sun's

wanton pendant
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Xeroc is actually controlling the sun.

leaden bridge
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why doesn't xeroc make the solar system heliocentric?

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Are they stupid?

wanton pendant
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Why would he do something so drastic?

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That'd mess up the tides.

leaden bridge
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We already have a moon

wanton pendant
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Somehow we're back on topic?

leaden bridge
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Sometimes that moon has rings

wanton pendant
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Moon's Haunted.

leaden bridge
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Sometimes that moon has TWO other moons going with it

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We're sure Terraria's tidal forces are already fucked

wanton pendant
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So anyway, there's no reason to believe the sun empowers Xeroc.

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In fact, Xeroc more likely suppresses the sun.

leaden bridge
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We did ask long ago if deus could eat the sun then would xeroc be weaker and got told yes hypothetically

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but maybe that's old by now wdk

wanton pendant
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I mean, if it could eat. The Sun.

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It would probably be stronger than Xeroc.

icy veldt
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What would happen if someone peed on the Sun?

wanton pendant
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So... yeah Xeroc should start running in that situation.

wanton pendant
icy veldt
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Dang, so not just the Moon, then

wanton pendant
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Also, eating the sun would probably make Astrum Deus stronger too.

wanton pendant
leaden bridge
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well we didn't phrase it Like That

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We phrased it so it was clear the question was if the sun was gone then would xeroc be pooped

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But we don't remember what we said specifically

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So we said that

zenith geode
leaden bridge
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okay but like why couldn't they just have tweaked the whole glerpian system instead of fucking with conversions from one version to another like there's a reason fourths unpopular and it's because of that 1-3 didn't change that specifically for integration and 1new is also not changing it but like 4 does it then 5 does it again and it's awkward and at least hopefully they don't do it with 6

leaden bridge
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Does the sun even produce heat...,.,., it's not confirmed and everything is so different... Maybe the true source of Terraria's heat is the nefarious flame

wheat walrus
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The flame of life

leaden bridge
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We were thinking for a different flame

icy veldt
leaden bridge
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she doesnt make any life

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shes also not enough to like heat up a planet

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we were thinking something more.... godly

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perhaps related to a certain deity

icy veldt
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Torch God

leaden bridge
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wrong still,.,..

icy veldt
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Brimmy?!?!?!

wheat walrus
pulsar ocean
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Do you have to kill life in the whole galaxy+ to kill silva or only earthlings count

long bloom
leaden bridge
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wed assume only terraria life counts yes

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itd be pretty stupid otherwise

pulsar ocean
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If something escapes the planet does it count as dead for silva's immortality

leaden bridge
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silva is actually universal because she cant die at all unless you get rid of the entire universe ahh

icy veldt
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Sounds like a job for Provi XD

lunar island
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i. read the lore bit for the lunatic cultist and

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hans

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are we the baddies?

leaden bridge
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that question would be a something for lorewriters to figure out

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no youre not the baddies

pulsar ocean
icy veldt
leaden bridge
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the guy who did the genocide is the baddie

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the terrarian is objectively like not a big deal morally

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most evil thing we do is kill animals

icy veldt
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Yharim's manipulative and deceitful

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Don't take what he says at face value

pulsar ocean
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Yharim did it to avenge the innocent dragons

icy veldt
lunar island
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i mean like. the lunatic cultist's lore bit "The Prelude" certainly seems to paint him in a friendly light

leaden bridge
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actually most evil thing we do objectively is killing lihzahrds

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under the gameplay it technically IS self defense but like, we theoretically would not Have To

lunar island
leaden bridge
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the dragons werent necessarily evil

icy veldt
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No, because the Moon Lord destroyed everything in its path

leaden bridge
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but yharim is lying anyways

pulsar ocean
icy veldt
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Whether the Dragons tended to be evil on average is up to you to decide. Maybe Yharon was lying when he said that the dragons were "benevolent protectors", maybe he wasn't

leaden bridge
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the dragons were probably mostly fine because they didn't go around doing genocides

lunar island
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the one about the leviathan and anahita is honestly just kinda sad.

icy veldt
leaden bridge
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none that we know of in general

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we think theres some dragons that were like bad per the devs but like still

pulsar ocean
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All of the dragons were good at heart

leaden bridge
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yharim is a pretty shitty dude who's just like desperately trying to justify himself under an incredibly shitty moral viewpoint and the gods range from pretty bad and not that bad but still contributed to like genocide

lunar island
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in my personal headcanon Yharon is just like Yharim's pet dog, he is not evil in of himself but rather simply a very good boy whom happens to be under the control of evil mega hitler

leaden bridge
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yharon is very conscious

icy veldt
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Um, no. That's not true

leaden bridge
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hes lowkey worse than yharim

lunar island
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oh like. fr?

icy veldt
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Yharim and Yharon both amplified each other's violent tendencies

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Like a two-person echo chamber

leaden bridge
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yharim is so funny

dont want to get manipulated
get manipulated by the dragon

lunar island
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I mean like

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if all it takes is someone suggesting you murder everyone and take over the world for you to do it

leaden bridge
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like we know yharon wasnt fully evil using yharim like yharon doees care about yharim and does believe in him and his ideals but its still like

lunar island
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you lowkey wanted to the entire time

icy veldt
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Pretty much the core of this mod's lore is "morality is complicated nuanced"

leaden bridge
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he heavily pushed yharim to do the genocide thing

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so yeah yharons pretty shitty too

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we dont see how its complicatd

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not under this

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yharon and yharim are objectively not complicated character s morally

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they believe they r justified but they simply are not

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nothing justifies what they did

icy veldt
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Well, how about "nuanced". Does that work?

leaden bridge
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the other side might have been evil but thats jsut them also being evil

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wdk we dont think its very nuanced either

icy veldt
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Um

leaden bridge
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like obviously its not entirely black and white

lunar island
leaden bridge
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but it's not a complex dillema

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cuz both sides can be bad and shitty

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eitherway genocide gets no justification

lunar island
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Anahita will legit just vibe unless you attack her first.

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You could include aquatic scourge under that but like you said, that's an animal.

leaden bridge
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anahita was porlly less innocent than lihzahrds

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killing animals is pretty standard

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lihzahrds r like a society of thinking people

lunar island
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well yes

leaden bridge
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so its higher on the evil scale

lunar island
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Anahita is 100% a person

leaden bridge
lunar island
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well. person in the sense of being a sapient creature

pulsar ocean
leaden bridge
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well thats because terraria is a power fantasy blah blah

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like yeah under gameplay it's technically self defense

lunar island
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i mean you're doing colonization

leaden bridge
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but realistically you don't actually like Have to kill them at all

lunar island
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you're intruding into their home and killing their protector

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pretty open and shut "You're the bad guy here" situation

leaden bridge
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so wed say killing lihzahrds is overall the most evil thing you can do

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cuz like killing animals is bad but its pretty routine even if it wasn't for substenance or self defense

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wdk we think killing people is simply higher on the evil sacle

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lihzahrds are also prolly mostly innocent

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unlike most other People bosses

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we think they worshipped silva or something but wdk enough about that to know if that makes them like bad

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anyways the solution to everything here morally is uhhh hhh wdk complex has to be evaluated in a case by case basis with the gods and dragons

lunar island
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i think one of the most morally good things the player does tbh is to kill the plaguebringer goliath

leaden bridge
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we mean the dragoncide of Gods was pretty shitty

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but some prolly had like relatively decent reasons

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yharim has like actively no excuse because he like did fifteen genocides

lunar island
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empress of light also probably doesnt deserve it

leaden bridge
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probably killed half the population

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yharim thinks she does

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but her crime is like incredibly mild

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yharim is just jealous af

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she uses? the natural power? the sun provides her? woeeee is the DRAGONS she's STEALING the power of the DRAGONS yharim dont even know it's not the dragon's power it's the PLANET'S power tha the dragons jusr kinda have for unknown reasons

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shes FULLY FREE to use the sun's magic to go all powerful if she wants you're just a PUSSY

lunar island
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what is up with this god damned slime god

leaden bridge
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wdk theyre just some guy

lunar island
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who wont fucking die

leaden bridge
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they seem to be like nice relatively

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at least from what we know of them

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yharim hates them cuz theyre a god but they never give like a good reason

lunar island
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if this guy was so nice why wont he die

leaden bridge
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and from what its bestiary says it seems like its actively keeping itself from being too powerful for a reason

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so theyre prolly kinda chillw dk

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we just kind awant to hammer in the fact yharim did the genocides

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thats like very important

lunar island
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probably scared that if it gets too strong for yharim to ignore that yharim will 100% go hunt and murder mode

leaden bridge
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he said let's lkill innocent people and burned an entire society down like twice

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probably killed half the continent

pulsar ocean
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Why didn't xeroc help out his godly buddies during the crusade massacre

leaden bridge
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we don't fucking know

lunar island
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probably didnt give a shit

leaden bridge
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xerocs probably defending the planet from like evil things

pulsar ocean
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Xeroc is such a useful diety

leaden bridge
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like moon lord

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so like noxus we guess

pulsar ocean
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Moon Lord is a fraud

leaden bridge
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but thats a pretty fucking active job if xeroc could not show up ONCE to be like okay yharim what if we dont kill half the planet we're trying to protect

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can you do that

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which is like a failure wdk cuz like

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if you're protecting the planet from evil guy like u kinda gotta make yourself responsible of your neglect of the planet's own evil guy killing a buncha people

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like is a pretty half assed job wdk

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surely noxus would be worse but still

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like you know the scale of ecocide that burning down the sea had to end up doing

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you can't just evaporate a sea and expect like nothing to happen

pulsar ocean
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I have a feeling cosmic level threats don't appear every 5 seconds so xeroc has some time to do the earthly stuff but xeroc does xeroc ig

leaden bridge
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do that to any sea on earth and you kill SO MANY THINGS

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like an insanely huge amount of things

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the sunken sea still exists so we guess it wasn't SUPER deep but it's still like, really huge deal yharim just did with his child soldier

leaden bridge
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plus there's like, noxus guys on terraria already

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isnt dog a noxus guy from the distortion

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shouldnt xeroc you know deal with that too if theyre dealing with noxus

lunar island
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i mean

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it is very well possible

leaden bridge
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like we dont think having anything connected to them on the planet is very wise

lunar island
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that Yharim is evil, but that the gods also just had it coming

leaden bridge
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okay but thats the gods

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not like the bajillion of innocent people yharim also killed on the way

lunar island
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and that Xeroc is the final challenge we gotta face.

leaden bridge
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you know grand sacle genocide and ecocide

lunar island
leaden bridge
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yeah but like had it coming is just not an excuse to do the killing innocent people part so like its very kinda nothing

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like it's possible both sides r bad yea

lunar island
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i would even suggest that its likely

leaden bridge
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yeah

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no matter what a war has no winners

lunar island
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when tyrants fight everyone else feels the burdens

leaden bridge
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this isnt really a case of that

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cuz like yharim actively targeted the innocent people

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liek it's not collateral

lunar island
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i never said it was collateral.

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If it was all unintentional collateral damage, Yharim wouldnt really be a tyrant would he

leaden bridge
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well saying wha tyou said implies the fight is meant to between the bad guys and everyone else is just in the middle of all that

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but like yharim actively wanted to do the genocides

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he felt doing the gneocides was jostified

lunar island
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felt being past tense is key there though

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the lore items certainly make it feel as if even he wants you to kill him

leaden bridge
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he doesnt really regret it much

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he makes that clear

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he just thinks his time is done and you can go in kill the ones he couldnt

zenith geode
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the only thing he kinda regrets is grooming calamitas iirc

lunar island
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he talks several times about how he once was a great hero but just. isnt anymore.

leaden bridge
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which is pretty funny of him you know you kill 3 gods

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guess that's a lot because there's like 20 left or something but till

lunar island
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oh

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providence

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uh

leaden bridge
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post game you can kinda do anything so its not like

lunar island
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slime god

leaden bridge
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provi ravager and sg

lunar island
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ravager is a god?

leaden bridge
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hes like the corpse of a god

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and a bunch of people threew another soul inside

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it still counts

lunar island
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it is a corpse of a bunch of followers of a god

leaden bridge
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we dont think what youre reading is accurate atm with twhat they wanna do with ravager

lunar island
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oh is the lore for it getting like updated.

zenith geode
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new lore is that ravager is the revived corpse of the god of sacrifices

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currently the god of blood iirc

lunar island
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thats cool but also what a fucking name

leaden bridge
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well they werent called ravager before they turned into beast thing

lunar island
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not ravager

zenith geode
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iirc GoS is Agni?

leaden bridge
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agnus immolatus

lunar island
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Woke Lesbian Jesus is a top tier name

zenith geode
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agnus

leaden bridge
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xd

zenith geode
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one of many cases of a bad kill by yharim

honest obsidian
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who would win in a fight

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every vanilla boss
vs
calamitas with a combat knife

leaden bridge
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calling yoursself sacrificial lamb is kind afunny as fuck ngl

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if calamitas is literally not allowed to use anything but the combat knife she loses very hard

zenith geode
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vanilla bosses in cal lore or vanilla bosses in vanilla lore?

honest obsidian
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whichever one is funnier

leaden bridge
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she loses eitherway

zenith geode
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also yeah she's literally like just a human without her magic

honest obsidian
leaden bridge
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unless shes allowed to fly and use her shield

zenith geode
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oh easily scal then

lunar island
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then she wins with ease

leaden bridge
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in that case she wins in both cases too

zenith geode
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except if like prime ml

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then she loses HARD

leaden bridge
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actually she dies to vanilla moonlord

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because vanilla moonlord is super powerful because vanilla fragment lore

honest obsidian
lunar island
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scal can defeat anything except like, the player, vanilla moonlord, and yharim but yharim doesnt count cause he isnt actually in the game yet.

zenith geode
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prime cal moon lord needed every fucking dragon

leaden bridge
zenith geode
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except like maybe a couple

leaden bridge
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oops pi ng

honest obsidian
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good ping i would've missed what you said

zenith geode
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im sure there were a few dragons who werent there for the whatshisface fight

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but a shitton of them died

lunar island
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look i get that Xeroc is shown to be this giant and fucking powerful figure sure.

leaden bridge
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xeroc isnt big actually theyre quite normal sized

zenith geode
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fuck ive forgotten ml name

lunar island
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but i cannot take him serious when he is named after a copying machine which i yell at when i go to work

lunar island
leaden bridge
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world is heal

lunar island
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its name is susmongus

zenith geode
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is providence technically under xeroc

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considering the sun is made of primordial light

leaden bridge
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shes not a sun god

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shes just firegirl

zenith geode
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she's THE sun god

leaden bridge
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and there's rocks we guess

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no shes not

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shes like the like burning stuff god

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did her domain ever got confirmed as ashes

honest obsidian
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ok new idea

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who wins in a fight between

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king slime and queen slime

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vs

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slime god

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BUT

gritty kraken
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Queen slime because

honest obsidian
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king slime is buffed a bit to make it even

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like he's on par with queen

leaden bridge
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who wins between slime god and slime god (more powerful

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who wins between slime god and slime god (more powerful (twice

honest obsidian
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it's a 2v2

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so it's totally fair

zenith geode
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future lore or current lore

leaden bridge
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dude the paladins r weak af

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wet ahhh tacos

zenith geode
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because future lore puts queen slime as the hallowed paladin

honest obsidian
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there's future lore?????

gritty kraken
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Future bosses real

honest obsidian
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is it like future gohan where it's a different timeline

gritty kraken
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I think they meant like next update changes

zenith geode
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no its just lore for future updates

honest obsidian
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oh :(

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i was looking forward to the king slime training arc

zenith geode
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sg and calclone might be swapped in progression
that might is doing some really heavy lifting though

honest obsidian
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when i fought slime god is was really hard for some reason

zenith geode
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evil2 and dragonfolly are more confirmed but not quite guaranteed iirc

honest obsidian
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it is not pre hardmode

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i do not believe what the boss list says

zenith geode
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sg is absolutely a prehm boss

honest obsidian
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or what it doesn't say because the funny custom messages don't happen for some reason

zenith geode
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glory to boss checklist lite

honest obsidian
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seriously where are the messages about calamitas going home to play wii sports after blowing up an entire village

leaden bridge
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sg is def prehm you might just be bad

zenith geode
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boss checklist does funny things like despawning bosses instead of dying

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and in my experience having a guaranteed file corruption

honest obsidian
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i killed it once and it just
did the message multiple times

leaden bridge
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what were we talking about

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oh yeah

honest obsidian
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hypothetical fights i think

leaden bridge
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uhhhhhhh anyways yharim should kill himself lowkey

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highkey really

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need that guy dead

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clean shot

honest obsidian
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ok this is my final "who would win in a fight" because i can't think of any good ones

leaden bridge
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wish braelor and statis could've finished the job

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but obviously he's a coward

honest obsidian
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that one super secret boss where its just a png of a dude

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vs

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7 green slimes but one of them has a gun

leaden bridge
#

very fun of yharim to be like erm sg is baddddddd hes a cowards and then do the same thing itself with the pet serpent

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you're not tuff lilbro

honest obsidian
#

what if we could kill yharim

leaden bridge
#

Always remember yharim is a fraud

honest obsidian
#

like they add a png of yharim in the next update and you get to blow it up

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but that's the only thing they add

leaden bridge
#

They should do that yeah

honest obsidian
#

unless it's really boring fraud

leaden bridge
#

he IS a fraud he doesn't do any

#

He's actually a landlord

#

Pretty fucking shitty of him

honest obsidian
#

oh that's not good

#

i am going to kill yharim

leaden bridge
#

that's the mindset u need to have

honest obsidian
#

i would take a picture but i don't think i can post pictures

#

let me try it really quick

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oh hey i can

#

that's neat

#

wait that means i can turn the devourer of gods into a worm on a string and post that

#

haha i am going to do that and then powerscale it using nothing but green slimes

feral skiff
honest obsidian
#

but how does he fight the green slimes

#

there's 7 of them

#

truly this will the most insane battle in video game history

thick slate
#

lorde has two arms

#

but there are seven slimes

honest obsidian
#

yeah if there were 6 slimes
lorde would win instantly

#

but there's 7 so like

north root
#

why doesn't yharim just find a cure for aging

#

why doesn't yharim just make yharon rebirth him so that he is young again

#

does he want to be old and senile

thick slate
honest obsidian
sudden ruin
leaden bridge
north root
#

why doesn't yharim go into genes technology and edit his genome so that he produces telomerase and stops aging (like lobsters do)

honest obsidian
#

why doesn't yharim ever text me back calsad

sudden ruin
#

yharim if he had whatsapp

#

i NEED auric souls

crimson junco
#

That doesn't sound right

honest obsidian
#

what doesn't

#

yharim texting back or yharim texting at all

#

because i think that you have to be green to use whatsapp

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i have no proof of this outside of that one picture of gordon freeman with the whatsapp hev suit on

leaden bridge
#

Failed biology and chemistry on high school

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every single time

hoary cape
#

Yharim wouldn't want auric souls

north root
#

no you don't understand

north root
hoary cape
#

That doesn't work

#

The dragons are dead

north root
#

as previously stated he is stupid and doesn't understand biology

hoary cape
#

I will take the souls

#

All of them

north root
hoary cape
#

Yea

#

But necromancy doesn't work properly

leaden bridge
#

Maybe cal just kinda sucks at the reviving people part

#

she's better at the infuse the dead with power part

hoary cape
#

Tbf the cultists also failed

#

The ones trying to bring back Agnus

leaden bridge
#

Their method was never gonna work

#

You can't fix the dead part by putting another completely different soul in

sudden ruin
inner pasture
#

Hi, I have a question... Is Yharim from some jungle-folk race? Does that jungle kingdom or city have a name?

calm patio
#

no

#

new lore yharim hes no longer of being "yharim jungle tyrant" or whatever it was

long bloom
inner pasture
#

Oh, thanks... So, where does Yharim come from?

long bloom
#

but he was raised in some kind of cult led by the god of dogma

#

which is the dominant god in the hive mind

inner pasture
#

Oh, they changed a lot of things from the lore... But is there still an ancient jungle kingdom?

long bloom
#

a collection of villages in the underground jungle where silva probably hung out

#

in the game it's the structure with the giant plantera bulbs

inner pasture
#

Ö omg

#

Is there any official document with all those lore details?

long bloom
#

so most of the total lore

#

it just doesn't include stuff the writers have said here since the last update

inner pasture
#

Oh, thanks. I guess the things that aren't there would be, for example, God of Dogma, The Vernal Pass, etc.

long bloom
#

yeah

#

@split mortar make dev statement doc

inner pasture
#

Last question, does the tundra kingdom have a name?

long bloom
inner pasture
#

D:

long bloom
#

or at least the writers haven't established one yet

#

the only 3 named cities are:
azafure (crags)
ilmeris (sunken sea)
chrysadia (sky islands)

#

as of right now

inner pasture
#

So the tundra is just like... an area where people like Permafrost lived? Not a city, just a village.

And Daedalus is canon?

#

Sorry for so many questions, I got excited.

long bloom
inner pasture
long bloom
#

and literally the only thing in the tundra is whatever permafrost has going on afaik

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and the draedon lab

north root
inner pasture
#

I'm so out of date, man...

long bloom
#

having both him and draedon exist was super redundant

#

so he was executed

north root
#

draedon will assimilate all characters in calamity

#

he already assimilated john wulfrum

#

soon he will assimilate zeratros and xeroc

long bloom
north root
#

then he will assimilate dragonfolly

#

and then calclone will get resprited into him in a calamitous outfit

long bloom
#

peak

north root
#

the devourer of gods was actually just thanatos on lean

#

even yharim was just a creation for his calculations all along

long bloom
#

draedon is the god of dogma's father

north root
#

draedon was actually the god of war

#

draedon was secretly the queen bee from the beginning

jaunty wraith
#

Which calamity character would be the best therapist

long bloom
#

obviously

warm gull
#

d

frail hearth
# long bloom we dunno

wasen't it from somewhere in hell? I thought he was thrown into the lava there for not eating the rebirth soul

long bloom
frail hearth
#

that's true >_>;

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i figured since there's lava in the jungle anyway going all the way down to hell'd be a bit of an effort.

#

tho these are cultists so like maybe it had to be hell for like culty kayfab reasons

visual kiln
#

meow

frosty charm
north wigeon
long bloom
north wigeon
#

's just
a name

#

people feel like naming it that bc they're quirky or w/e

fleet wedge
fleet wedge
fleet wedge
split mortar
pliant ruin
#

same thing with Chtulhu

#

names don't need to have as much importance as people think they do

#

just bc Eye of Chtulhu exists dosen't mean there needs to be a Chtulhu as in giant elder god creature

#

even irl plenty of animals have wack names just bcuz, per example

#

manta rays r called sea devils in some places just because they kinda vaguely look demonic

#

this does not in fact imply they are actually devils

north wigeon
pliant ruin
#

oh lol

#

fair neough

split mortar
#

Isnt daedalus stuff possibly getting renamed

pulsar ocean
#

is it

split mortar
#

Idk thats why i asked

wanton pendant
#

Just wondering, we know Yharim knows about Xeroc, but do you think he knows their name?

split mortar
#

Wait how the fuck does yharim know xerocs strength

wanton pendant
#

He has a method for that, it's called guessing!

split mortar
#

I highly doubt thats the case cause thats just lame

wanton pendant
#

But good point, how does he know Xeroc is so powerful?

#

I mean sure, unmatched power of the sun but how does he know the sun is unmatched?

split mortar
#

Xeroc says yharim made him question his own power in boss rush no?

#

Did

#

They fight

wanton pendant
#

The divorce arc is real.

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

Nearly gets killed, goes off and fights the sun, nearly gets killed again, goes crawling back to the ex.

split mortar
#

Maybe yharim went to draedon before fighting xeroc?? We in theory land so gotta consider options

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

It took him months to go to Draedon, plenty of time to fight the sun.

split mortar
#

Also since yharim made xeroc question his power
Yharim could have done concerningly well in the fight ??

wanton pendant
#

I mean, Yharim is like post-game player strength, which is around when a Xeroc boss fight would occur, so it'd make sense that he could do about as well as we would if Xeroc were added, right?

#

Enough to impress, I think.

#

Not nearly enough to kill.

split mortar
#

Yeah trur

#

Still how could yharim get xerocs attention

wanton pendant
#

Maybe Xeroc sought out Yharim.

#

Perhaps Xeroc was worried his near brush with death would drive him off the deep end.

split mortar
#

Xeroc appearing far too late like in embers

wanton pendant
#

Well, deeper end.

#

And so he came to check that he wasn't going to blow up the moon or something.

split mortar
#

Could yharim have got the terminus?

wanton pendant
#

He doesn't know it exists, right?

#

I'm sure a Dev mentioned that.

split mortar
#

Idk

wanton pendant
#

Oh, and Xeroc would probably mention as such.

#

Since it has been some time since someone touches the beacon attained the Terminus.

#

And a mortal, no less.

split mortar
#

Ok yeah terminus out the question

wanton pendant
#

Maybe Xeroc only wanted to prove to Yharim the futility of his quest.

#

Showing him that there is a god he could never match.

split mortar
#

I think we lack details needed to conclude the specifics but i do think its safe to say yharim likely did fight the sun recently

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

And that's how he could learn the chaps name, so put that as maybe.

wanton pendant
split mortar
#

the terrarian has more time to grow in power (unless yours is also balls old) so maybe not as far fetched as we thought if yharim did surprisingly well even if ultimately got wrecked

wanton pendant
#

So let's put Yharim Fought The Sun Theory as plausible, if not fairly likely.

split mortar
#

Yea

dusk laurel
wanton pendant
#

The tundra also used to be milder, but he used his magic to make it more tundra.

dusk laurel
wanton pendant
#

Daedalus was taken out back a while ago, and now his stuff's getting repossessed.

limpid saddle
#

Because I think we can assume that Gods like Shakidou would be aware of the cosmic pecking order & squabbling to change their place in it, & Yharim killed all of those Gods

wanton pendant
#

I mean, it's technically not impossible for a mortal to attain Xeroc's standing, since, you know, Xeroc was once mortal. Perhaps such a thought crossed Xeroc's mind.

#

Of course, I can only think of one way of doing such a thing, and Yharim would never.

split mortar
limpid saddle
#

Yeah but given 'second strongest god' I suppose I assumed he would've been more inherently in-tune with the dragons, I always thought he was a monk instead of just another vagabond seeking power

#

Cause we know there were people that bore witness to Xeroc's rebirth, not the process itself but at least it's end-point with his declaration of becoming the first God

split mortar
#

Even if they did know xeroc as the first would they know xerox as the strongest god

limpid saddle
#

I feel like it's a pretty easy assumption to make

#

Eat the strongest dragon, become the strongest god

split mortar
#

wait how does shakidou knowing of xeroc relate to the theory

limpid saddle
#

Im assuming equal knowledge of each others existence, & that Shakidou being the second strongest god & (one might assume) striving to be the strongest & overtake Xeroc, that it would be more suprising when this new young man comes out of nowhere in Auric armor & kills him

#

Therefore Xeroc is impressed enough by Yharim's strength to question his own

#

Given how exponential Yharim's growth as a fighter was

split mortar
#

Still doesnt explain why yharim would get exo upgrades

limpid saddle
#

Oh

#

I wasnt trying to answer that I was just trying to give my own perspective on how Xeroc would percieve Yharim's strength

pliant ruin
#

& (one might assume) striving to be the strongest & overtake Xeroc, that it would be more suprising when this new young man comes out of nowhere in Auric armor & kills him

#

Tbf we

#

Don't know anything about shakidou's cahracterization lol

#

so this is a pretty big assumption

wanton pendant
#

Maybe Shakidou was just a chill guy.

#

Just normal men.

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

YFTS Theory.

split mortar
#

Yharim fought the sun theory

pliant ruin
#

makes enough sense to me yeah

#

it'd also add another layer to why yharim is so depresso

#

It's not just bcuz hes old and about to die of old age and the crusade seems unrealistic to finish because of that

#

it's because he tried to fight xeroc and failed

leaden bridge
pliant ruin
#

god of emptiness guy

#

apparently the second strongest god but theyre dead now

leaden bridge
#

The what

#

Who do you eat to get emptiness

pliant ruin
#

i think it was night

leaden bridge
#

Well guess it figures that if sun guy is strongest night guy is second strongest

#

Did they do like anything important before the whole dying

pliant ruin
#

we dunno

split mortar
#

Shakidou as a character was made after bountiful harvest

#

So

pliant ruin
#

as i said we barely know anything other than They Exist

split mortar
#

Not had time to exist

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

Like, there's allegedly like just under 3k dragons which means a similar number of gods, allowing for any that got nuked by Moon Lord or the like, there's gonna be whole lot we probably will know nothing about.

pliant ruin
#

we probably will learn about shakidou later i figure

#

would be wack for us to not know atleast a good bit of info abt john second strongest god

wanton pendant
#

Makes sense.

#

The fact we know anything about him implies he was of importance.

leaden bridge
#

U guys know where their name comes from

icy veldt
#

No, but I do know where Anahita's name comes from, as well as the tentative name for the Flame Dragon (Zaelithar)

wheat walrus
leaden bridge
#

Zaelithar?

split mortar
split mortar
leaden bridge
#

obviously we mean the name's like roots

wanton pendant
#

Yes, I witnessed it be made up, it's like early Germanic or something.

#

Anahita is just some ancient Persian goddess.

#

Not sure why that was the inspiration, since it's quite different from everything else.

dusk laurel
split mortar
#

Gloomborf

wanton pendant
#

Glümdorf.

split mortar
#

You will be boiled

#

SteamWraithGaming

icy veldt
#

Get Calamitas to boil him

wanton pendant
#

Fools, that will only make me stronger!

honest obsidian
#

ganondorf

wanton pendant
#

Did you mean: Yharim?

honest obsidian
#

no i meant ganondorf

#

from wind waker

#

where he's kinda chill but also tries to kill children

wanton pendant
#

That is the best Zelda game, but they're quite different.

#

Ganondorf actually does want to do things differently.

#

While Yharim would do it all over again, just better.

robust osprey
#

Yharim learnt from his mistakes

#

he would kill children more efficently than before

split mortar
#

Lore chat how gay are the characters

faint totem
#

They are. Except DoG. He’s homophobic

wanton pendant
#

Is Calamitas gay if she's aro/ace?

split mortar
#

Lets ask calamitas
@pliant ruin

wanton pendant
#

Good call.

pliant ruin
#

if gay = attraction to same gender then no she is not gay

#

but if you are using gay as more of a slang that just means "queer" then yes

wanton pendant
#

@split mortar So she's not gay, so there's at least one!

#

Now to figure out if anyone's straight.

pliant ruin
#

xeroc and silva

wanton pendant
#

You're right!

#

The divorce arc will be insane!

north root
faint totem
#

Yes

faint totem
wanton pendant
#

Well, Calamitas said otherwise and I trust Calamitas (real).

leaden bridge
#

Yharim is actually closeted

wanton pendant
#

That closet is a coffin and we're gonna bury him.

faint totem
wanton pendant
#

I don't think he's a vampire.

#

Unless...

faint totem
#

Better safe than sorry right? Also make sure to fill the coffin with wolfsbane and line it with silver

wanton pendant
#

I don't think Werewolves can ressurect.

limpid saddle
wanton pendant
#

Yharon reported to have said 'It's just a phase,' after Calamitas came out.

leaden bridge
faint totem
split mortar
#

Yharim too locked in on being racist to realise he gay

wanton pendant
#

He needs a gay racist support group.

faint totem
#

Gaycist

vagrant star
icy veldt
#

Yharim when he hears that I'm racist: 😃
Yharim when he hears that I'm only racist against dragons: boohoo

wanton pendant
#

He can excuse racism, but he draws the line at animal cruelty.

long bloom
#

true

pulsar ocean
#

Would draedon invent internet and tiktok

wanton pendant
#

Internet exists in Calamity.

#

We don't know who made it though.

#

Unless they retcon it.

icy veldt
#

Draedon, of course

#

Who else would create such an informatively horrifying place to study the worst of human behavior?

wanton pendant
#

Fantasy Americans.

visual kiln
#

yharim's superpower is mega racism

wanton pendant
#

True!

light linden
#

@cosmic zenithgot a moment for a question?

split mortar
wanton pendant
#

What is this?

#

Oh, that.

split mortar
#

Felt like placing em somewhere

wanton pendant
#

I do look forward to their eventual release. Embers was very good.

split mortar
#

I am curious as fuck about endings

wanton pendant
#

Xeroc meets Andrew Terraria.

cosmic zenith
light linden
split mortar
cosmic zenith
#

Yeah, supposedly

light linden
#

I've seen it happen

#

but uh

#

how would that work for DoG?

#

since he isn't on the ground

wanton pendant
#

DoG doesn't have horns. So the mandibles? You'd need really long arms.

long bloom
#

go go gadget could do it

light linden
split mortar
#

Probably not well

frosty charm
faint totem
long bloom
#

i ate it sorry

wanton pendant
#

Gay people were banished to the Distortion.

long bloom
#

true

hexed cobalt
#

im cayote peterson, and im about to enter the BITE zone... of the Devourer of Gods

light linden
#

I feel like draedon could make something with enough strength to stop him though

wanton pendant
#

What if he did a death roll?

light linden
#

I mean

#

If the thing grabbing him is strong enough he can't

wanton pendant
#

What would you anchor it to?

light linden
#

ground

#

to my knowledge there're some types of machines that anchor themselves to the ground

icy veldt
wanton pendant
#

Otherwise he'd rip it up.

cosmic zenith
#

You wouldn't be able to exert much force while flying

wanton pendant
#

Doing this to DoG.

mario-bowser-Cropped.avif
lunar island
#

why hasnt DoG devoured a chill pill

wanton pendant
icy veldt
#

Chill pill is not a god, unless you mean the hypothetical God of Chill Pills

split mortar
#

Dog hates them due to the love of the game

lunar island
light linden
visual kiln
#

blip

lunar island
#

idk how i only just recognized that providence is like the goddess of the day or of light or whatever, and i was confused that hey why is it that this boss, which unlocks a lot of stuff in the underworld specifically, is also fightable in the hallow when i read the thing for thje guardians and realized ohhh she's trying to hunt down the empress of light

long bloom
#

xeroc is the god of light

#

also the hallow stuff with provi is outdated

#

the underworld stuff is bc she probably lived there before ascending

#

and she has zero interest in eol

lunar island
#

oh

long bloom
#

"nobody can sin if everyone's dead"

light linden
#

I read that as "aoi"

lunar island
#

so the lore item is outdated then.

long bloom
#

they're people now

light linden
#

well were people

long bloom
#

what is a man

leaden bridge
#

Erm they were women

#

:/

long bloom
#

ik but reference

#

also "what is a woman" is uhhhhhhhh

leaden bridge
#

#problematic erasure :)

#

That was meant to also be a :/ but the :) makes it seem rlly ragebaiting which is kinda funny

craggy jacinth
#

pretty simple

faint totem
#

That sounds like horseshit

vagrant star
sacred loom
#

Prt sure Silva dekk'd it

crystal pendant
long bloom
#

true

frail hearth
crystal pendant
#

Theyre of secrets specificallycwomen are smth idk. Perhaps rocks. I like rocks

frail hearth
#

also lowkey that exchange became a vocal tick for me after a bit

#

there was an upload of a ffxiv song that had that scene at the start of the video? and now when people ask waht something is i enter dracula mode and quote the rest of the line like a total tool ;u;

crystal pendant
#

Lol

frail hearth
#

YOUR WORDS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOUR SOUL. MANKIND ILL NEEDS A SAVIOR SUCH AS YOU

crystal pendant
#

Absolute cinema

frail hearth
#

so like on the topic of out-of-date lore,

#

any other lore items we should keep in mind as out of date ?

#

or is it just the gaurdians

long bloom
#

it exists

frail hearth
#

y'know i don't think i've ever read her lore? :0

long bloom
#

oh and old duke is almost definitely being un-fishroned

frail hearth
#

or i have and im doing that thing where i blank on information again >_>;

#

aawww i kinda liked the fishrons being fish dragons

#

loved that for them

long bloom
#

just old duke probably won't be a fishron anymore

#

regular duke is untouched

frail hearth
#

HUGE WIN FOR TEAM FISH 🔥 🔥

long bloom
frail hearth
#

sunken sea LESSSGOOOOO

#

i'm nowkey hoping it gets infinently delayed because god damn it i just beat nameless diety yesterday and I don't wanna have to do taht fight ever again ;0;

#

that's a joke im very excited but also it will be a somber day I make a new world u_u

long bloom
#

you probably shouldn't play with wotg immediately when the update comes out

frail hearth
#

i've gotten attatched to my recent playthrough's

#

but book lady. book lady cool gives awesome dyes and deco ;0;

#

huge fan of gender dye. it makes the ice claspers look SO RAD >U<

long bloom
#

wotg is already buggy as shit, i shudder to think what it'll be like right after sso taxevasion

#

anyway uhh

frail hearth
#

isa little buggy yaeg >_>;

long bloom
frail hearth
#

had to cut my resolution in half to run at a semi consistant framerate @u@

#

thank you zoom mod 🙏

long bloom
frail hearth
#

...dare I ask what empress' lore is? you phrased it in a way that makes me a lil scared to ask @-@

long bloom
#

she siphons power from xeroc or something

#

i don't really know what's going on it's confusing

frail hearth
#

ah yea i can see why that'd be an issue.

#

Xeroc dosen't strike me as someone who'd take someone siphoning their power away lightly

#

sorry for asking all the hyper-specific stuff i have been recently btw. I've been in the autistic thralls of making character backstories lore friendly recently and have been making attempts to futureproof them ._.

#

but while i'm at it... is there anything about who or what Wulfram is? like was it just a techpunky themed resistance group or was it some kind of company beforehand? do we know where they came from/what they're generally about?

#

like did it go the way of freddy fazbear during the crusades or are they still about kicking somewhere?

long bloom
#

about wulfrum, there's nothing about wulfrum

#

we dunno who made it originally

frail hearth
#

so in other words i have free reign 0u0

long bloom
#

there's the meme of john wulfrum but he remains in the shadow realm of non-canonicity

frail hearth
#

yeeeeesssssss >:D

#

He's canon in our hearts damn it

long bloom
#

super truth nova

jaunty wraith
#

John wulfrum was simply to powerful to be canon

frail hearth
#

He was such a brilliant inventor he invented freedom from the narrative and thus canonicality.

#

Dubiously canon by choice

visual kiln
#

yharim’s superpower is mega racism

jaunty wraith
#

Never ask:

A woman her age

A man his salary

Yharim what he thinks of lihzards

stoic gulch
#

Yharim sacrificed his third toenail to become Multiversal

crystal pendant
#

Id win

frail hearth
#

dude he'll be added as a boss eventually

#

it's not that you'd win. it's that you will win.

visual kiln
#

I win

#

I won

jaunty wraith
#

Yharim when I tell him genocide the gods was a big no no (hell feel really bad i swear)

tropic oak
#

hi

strong notch
jaunty wraith
#

I refute them with nuh uh

feral skiff
#

maybe an engineer hard hat for good measure

frail hearth
#

oh no dobut

#

he'd be all the punks. all of them

#

cyber, steam, solar, fuck it. aether.

#

He has transends genera

visual kiln
visual kiln
frail hearth
#

I HEARD PIKACHU

#

WHERE

visual kiln
frail hearth
#

o no why pika sad ;-;

visual kiln
#

Idk

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Xeroc was mean to him

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AND I'D DO IT AGAIN. IT'S ON SIGHT. XEROC IS DEAD

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:o

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YAYYYYY

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zeroku

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How do u pronounce xeroc btw

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xerock

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smth like that idk

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I've been saying it Zeh-Rock.

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X is a weird letter. you say it differently dependng on where it is and it's annoying >:c

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English try to have consistent spelling and pronunciation challenge

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Viva l'Italia

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im sending omni to france

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You must remember the fallen, you will all be with them one day

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France will not make it past history, nothing will

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But I...

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I will

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This is the last Sun the french get to bathe in

long bloom
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I thought this was common knowledge

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naturally he's trans. He's John fucking Wulfram

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He's doing WHAT

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don't worry about it 🪛

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zair-ock

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I think

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wait wrong channel

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Chat

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Where is the lore

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Calamitas no scoped Permafrost

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Calore

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Calories

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calamity silksong

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I can't stop thinking of John Wulfram as just Cave Johnson but actually good at science

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Cave johnson had portal gun so he is smart clueless

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If Cave Johnson so good why isn’t there a Surface Johnson

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He died of moon dust poisoning, just like Cave. Moons is closer to surface, you see, so it got him first.

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everytime i hear of john wulfrum i remember that john wulfrum is canonically dead

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john wulfrum scrap

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John Wulfrum... Is lost media?

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no its a roy inside joke that you dont understand and that im vagueposting about

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im so evil !!!

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Draedon doesnt want you to know this secret

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Exo prisms are gay

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Sea prisms come out the closet to turn into exo prisms

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I forgor the consensus on if sea prisms have exotic resonance or not

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who the fuck is john wulfrum

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A not canon character people jokingly say made the wulfrum bots

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U think yharim is sweating his ass off under that armor

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I imagine the exo suit has a cooler for him

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idk if someone as burned as he is can sweat

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Maybe he got skin grafts.

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I uh

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are skin grafts possible?

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Probably.

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idk much about that type of procedure but I'd imagine there'd have to be some skin left

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Get someone else's skin. Plenty of orphans to choose from.

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Maybe he was only lightly toasted before Yharon dragged him out.

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by literal lava?

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Lava Charm.

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Yharim had 400 hp and lived

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Lava isn't an insta-kill in Terraria.

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Also, technically it's magma, because it's underground, but the woke game Devs don't care!

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Im inverting the function of your organs

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How does clamitas have more than 400 hp

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Its her shield

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