lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

Makes child soldiers mandatory.

[icy veldt]

Yharim's not going to become better, that's asking the impossible

[brazen swallow]

and asks queen bees for cosent to get them in the plaguebringer program

[wanton pendant]

This isn't Warhammer, not everyone eats their own flesh or whatever it is they do.

[brazen swallow]

one can imagine any scenario tbh

I think I have a slightly more optimistic version of yharim in mind than yours

[split mortar]

By better i think
Better at killing
Better at the crusade

Not better morals

The guy is fucking delusional

[wanton pendant]

Less child soldiers?

[pliant ruin]

Yharim has regrets but he'd never realistically cease on his goal of killing all gods no

[icy veldt]

This server's common nickname Yharim is "Auric Hitler" or "Gold Hitler" because he started a war and murdered billions out of a desire to avenge the dragons. No one should be optimistic about that

[pliant ruin]

He is a nuanced character but being nuanced dosen't mean being reedemable

[brazen swallow]

iirc gods are stronger or weaker based on followers
maybe yharim thought that killing people will make the gods easier to kill?

[split mortar]

Shout out to the guys crusade causing half the planet to just
Be dead

[wanton pendant]

The optimism in question is that he'd avoid the child soldiers and allience breaking. Not exactly a high standard.

[brazen swallow]

not sure if I've seen any mentions of this nickname before today but I see

[split mortar]

Yeah gods can siphon a bit of power from a follower iirc

[wanton pendant]

I saw Giga Hitler once, here.

[split mortar]

Lore chat is like 90% of the automod flags for the guy

[frosty charm]

yeah i think taking all the nuance out of his character to make him a manipulative groomer who doesn't actually regret an ounce of what they've done just makes the character boring

[split mortar]

Because yharim exists

[icy veldt]

Precisely. Yharim may do good deeds on occasion, purely by coincidence. He is still undeserving of any mercy or sympathy, at all

[wanton pendant]

Nobody said that.

We said he'd be marginally less evil if he did it again.

[brazen swallow]

my optimistic version of yharim is that if he was given a second chance he'd at least change his post-DoG choices
like not ignoring or even accepting the distortion stuff with the excuse of helping his war effort

[icy veldt]

Eh, that's fair, I suppose

[wanton pendant]

Like, no child soldiers and betrayal, but still genocide.

[split mortar]

Yharim would prob accept dog then not listen to him
Get the benefits without the downsides

[wanton pendant]

Very slightly better.

[icy veldt]

I guess I just don't take kindly to people seeming like they're trying to excuse anything about Yharim, even when they're not and they're only seeming to (shrug)

[brazen swallow]

but he'd still be too blinded to not hurt regular people just because they believe in gods
or he would've still recruited calamitas, maybe treated her a little better at most

[split mortar]

He needs a place for the god essence to go wof wont last forever

[frosty charm]

if you're talking about what i said i'm talking about the stuff like this
if not ermm awkward sauce!

[wanton pendant]

Like, Yharim is going deeper then Azafure when we get our hands on him.

[icy veldt]

A sign of good writing: it's immersive and compelling

[wanton pendant]

I was talking about this.

[brazen swallow]

oh I didn't mean to sound like that

[frosty charm]

ah

[brazen swallow]

zamn

[frosty charm]

awkward sauce!

[pliant ruin]

make him a manipulative groomer

well he's still that doe

nuanced or not

[frosty charm]

yes but making that his ONLY trait makes him lame

[pliant ruin]

he's a horrible person, just a nuanced horrible person

[icy veldt]

He's only 99% manipulative groomer

[wanton pendant]

Yharim obviously should be stopped, we can't power our friendship him. But he's not pure puppy eating evil either. He's awful, but he has some standards, even if the bar is in hell.

[pliant ruin]

^

[split mortar]

Yharim is a human evil

[pliant ruin]

Nuance is always important regardless of the context and people involved

[frosty charm]

it's not too late yharim... you can make a difference you can make a change you can uhhh i forgot the rest

[split mortar]

Still deserves a few kicks to the gut

[brazen swallow]

I like to think that yharim is trying to convince himself that he's doing the right thing all the time and he's always about to explode because very deep inside he knows it isn't worth it

[brazen swallow]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

He only groomed one teenager, not as bad as some other characters. (Ghetsis.)

[pliant ruin]

You can acnowledge someone as evil while still acnowledging the nuance behind their actions because doing so is how you can develop your own moral compass and how you judge others

[frosty charm]

i mean i think yharim's motives of taking down the gods are, at least partially, justified - with some of them like provi, they obviously need to be killed as soon as possible

but yknow i think killing just

everyone

and everything

is not awesome!

[wanton pendant]

The ones that wanted him to be God-King would have made a world worse then the one Yharim made.

At the very least, he was right to take them down.

[long bloom]

we don't know for sure

[frosty charm]

id love to see cheese (or whoever made embers) make an au of yharim accepting to become god king

[wanton pendant]

The devs told me this. It wasn't a dream!

[split mortar]

I feel like god of dogma having a puppet god king would be
Bad

[brazen swallow]

I think there are timelines that can be much worse than the official one, but the official one isn't really the middle point either

[icy veldt]

Sometimes life seems so complicated, nothing is truly good or truly evil. Everything seems to be a shade of grey. And then you spend some time with a man like Yharim, and you realize that there is such a thing as truly evil.

[visual kiln]

^

[wanton pendant]

That was the head writer I think.

Not the cheddar crowned one.

[brazen swallow]

Cei made embers iirc

[wanton pendant]

But I did have an idea for how that would go.

Not well.

[icy veldt]

The official one is the best possible timeline

[split mortar]

Yep

[wanton pendant]

Best possible timeline is that Yharim kills Dogma and Providence and company, then gets murdered.

[frosty charm]

i feel like the best possible timeline is yknow zeratos not getting neg diffed by some random monk

[split mortar]

Thats not planned afaik
Yharim and yharon actually succeeding in the crusade is

[brazen swallow]

my kinda boring idea is that the calamity universe would've just stagnated there
a world with gods controlling stuff doing what they want

[pliant ruin]

Recognizing nuance =/ denying evil

[long bloom]

obviously but i don't think they would've killed 3 billion people

[frosty charm]

yeah i know, but i want to see how his character would react to it

[brazen swallow]

in the official timeline it's stagnated in what's left of the crusade

[frosty charm]

like yeah it's not in character but au for a reason

[icy veldt]

I was quoting something that I felt was somewhat relevant

[visual kiln]

correct take

[split mortar]

Nah xeroc is better
Moonlords inhuries were likely gonna perma kill zeratros anyways so xeroc ascending was just flat better

[icy veldt]

Also, truly evil != 100% no-nuance evil

[visual kiln]

its like rlly important to recognize why people do evil

[pliant ruin]

^ TRUTH NUKE

[wanton pendant]

Found what was said on the matter.

[visual kiln]

bc a lot of the time ppl can find themselves on the path to doing evil without even realizing

[brazen swallow]

this is what I meant earlier when I said that a scenario where zeratros asked xeroc to take his power would be interesting
(also as much as one where xeroc took it by force)

[split mortar]

Zeratros was fucked
What woulda been better was xeroc protecting the auric dragons probably
Or just sniping yharim

[visual kiln]

simply bc they didnt know that they were makikg the same mistakes joe evilguy did

[plucky juniper]

IMO I think Xeroc nomming Zeratros should be by force

[split mortar]

Its left blank for us to theorise

[plucky juniper]

i much prefer that

[wanton pendant]

Hey, wait, Embers was brought up but nobody linked it!?

[long bloom]

y

[visual kiln]

learn from the past kids

[pliant ruin]

I like to think it was

neither by force

nor consensual

Zeratros was dying. Xeroc knew what he had to do and he did it

[split mortar]

I think everyone here has read it

[wheat walrus]

Internet mfs when nuance

[wanton pendant]

I keep forgetting.

[long bloom]

idk what embers is

[pliant ruin]

I think Xeroc was a traitor. But he wasn't a megalomaniac

[split mortar]

Embers

[plucky juniper]

#lore-discussion message

[wheat walrus]

Still not me

[plucky juniper]

HERE

READ IT

ENJOY

[brazen swallow]

ye, it's cool
but I think that if it was a sacrifice it would be interesting because it adds a layer to yharim, removing great part of his own justifications for the war

[wheat walrus]

It's 2am

[icy veldt]

Honestly, my Terrarian would probably end up doing exactly that. Seeing all of the Crusade's destruction and being motivated by spite for Yharim and an inverted mentality of "dragons = bad, gods = good (unless they attack me)" would end up making him build an empire worse than what the God-King would've made

[brazen swallow]

making the draconic purges the result of a misunderstanding (and specially greed) is pretty cool imo

[wanton pendant]

It's 1am.

[plucky juniper]

That just makes him seem like an idiot.

[pliant ruin]

He did the right thing, but it still entailed betraying Zeratros

[wheat walrus]

I just took melatonin too

I should've taken the melatonin earlier

pensive emoji

[brazen swallow]

people do anything when they're desperate

[plucky juniper]

I want him to at least have a singular point

[brazen swallow]

yharim will keep lying to himself in the scenario I propose

[wanton pendant]

SSO can't come soon enough so we don't go insane like this.

[icy veldt]

Nah

[plucky juniper]

and besides, you can still add complexity if, say, "Zeratros was a bitch-ass motherfucker and had it coming"

[brazen swallow]

his singular point here would be that the draconic purge was very bad, but he takes it a step further by assuming that xeroc killed zeratros

[pliant ruin]

Nah

Hard disagree

[brazen swallow]

I think everything revolves around how we imagine the characters

[long bloom]

let's start inventing characters and shipping them

[pliant ruin]

Zeratros being a bitch ass motherfucker would be really bad imo and wouldn't make sense !

[wanton pendant]

Please no.

[icy veldt]

^ THIS

[brazen swallow]

I definitely have a much more optimistic vision of calamity overall

[wanton pendant]

We have the school au for that.

[long bloom]

true

[icy veldt]

Let's turn a specific existing character into a catgirl

[wanton pendant]

I think Calamitas is hopemaxxing.

[wanton pendant]

Double no.

[wheat walrus]

me too

[wanton pendant]

School au is for that.

[brazen swallow]

permaflame x god king yharim

[wheat walrus]

Calamitas based for that

[pliant ruin]

Calamity's narrative is one t hat's honestly pretty hopeful

But Yharim is not part of that hope

[brazen swallow]

yeah

[wheat walrus]

Copeful, nothing ever happens stay mad

[wanton pendant]

If she wasn't hopemaxxing, I have a hard time imagining how she'd live this long.

[brazen swallow]

yharim kinda represents the huge ahh shadow of the past mistakes in a way
the part that fights back to keep things the same

[pliant ruin]

Anyways as ive said before Zeratros being an asshole would be pretty bad for various reason

Atleast to me

Him not being necessarily fully good i can totally see

[brazen swallow]

yharim is the voice that reminds us of the cringe things we did when we were teens

[icy veldt]

Like having a blank canvas to build your own utopian society, I suppose

Just ignore all of the corpses

[wheat walrus]

I think Zeratros wouldn't be evil but have made mistakes

[brazen swallow]

"how can we be good if we did x in y time? we must erase that part"

[split mortar]

Chat what if another auric dragon was alive during crusade how much would that fuck up stuff

[wanton pendant]

Mildly.

[long bloom]

Majorly.

[brazen swallow]

this would be cool
grounds them a bit and adds depth to his character and role as leader

[wanton pendant]

Depends on which one really.

[icy veldt]

The Dragon of Procrastination. Kept putting off getting murdered for someone to ascend

[brazen swallow]

no one said ignore I think

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Magic Tricks. Kept disappearing.

[icy veldt]

I know, I was joking

[brazen swallow]

oh well

[icy veldt]

Just ignore the rats in the kitchen

[long bloom]

dragon of be invisible

[brazen swallow]

took it too literally maybe?

[wanton pendant]

The one Warhammer game I played...

Dragon of Not-dying.

[brazen swallow]

dragon of when you can't say my name

[thick slate]

vermintide 2

[wheat walrus]

Just ignore the worms

[icy veldt]

Yeah uhh there's corpses all over the place, but that's okay! Just make whatever kind of civilization you want!

[brazen swallow]

my eggni in xeroc this is calamity
all the bosses are worms

[visual kiln]

taylor

[thick slate]

helo

[brazen swallow]

oh I didn't take it literally

[wheat walrus]

Just ignore them

[icy veldt]

My Terrarian: devious smile

[wanton pendant]

Dragon of Always-appearing-like-it's-really-far-away-but-it's-actually-just-a-trick-of-the-light.

[brazen swallow]

I mean it more as in we can heal the wounds of the past
always acknowledge bad things but don't let yourself be consumed by them

[wheat walrus]

"my eggni in xeroc", what a sentence

[brazen swallow]

LMFAO

[wheat walrus]

whuh

[brazen swallow]

I needed to say "my brother in christ" but calamity themed

[wanton pendant]

Once we kill Yharim, homophobia will be no more.

[wheat walrus]

more like lore discussion themed

[brazen swallow]

pink yharim will be born from the ashes

[icy veldt]

I'm gonna salt the wounds of the past and build a horrifying imperial monstrosity

[brazen swallow]

real

[warm gull]

what the fuck is that taylor

[thick slate]

hi

[brazen swallow]

it's gonna last over 10k years

[icy veldt]

My Terrarian be like:

[warm gull]

hi

[wanton pendant]

Maybe even 40...k.

[icy veldt]

YES

[wheat walrus]

aurablud

[brazen swallow]

when we collect the calamitous modification and combine it with the 40k warhammers xeroc is gonna get vaporized so hard

[wanton pendant]

Selfishism is cringe.

How far could Spider-Man get in Calamity.

[brazen swallow]

I just realized mine doesn't have lore or headcanon or anything

[thick slate]

selfishism

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[brazen swallow]

I'm just experiencing calamity for the sake of playing

[wanton pendant]

That's what I said, what about it?

[brazen swallow]

he'd probably be comfortable until late hardmode

post-moonlord it's a tough world for him to live in

[icy veldt]

It's not a word

Goofus

[warm gull]

I don't make lore for terrarians when i play them instead I minmax and then I go write stories about other terrarians that I made up in my head in a roleplay

[wanton pendant]

I made it up.

[split mortar]

Which version

[thick slate]

why not just say narcissism

[brazen swallow]

depends on what version of spiderman
the modern one probably stands more of a chance because he has cool tech

[wanton pendant]

Now that's a slightly different thing.

The one from Marvel Vs. Capcom.

[thick slate]

lego spiderman solos

[long bloom]

true

[split mortar]

Some spidermen prob oneshot the fucking galaxy
While others prob die to like
Twins

[long bloom]

legos are goated

top 1 best product

[thick slate]

yea

[wheat walrus]

Some spidermen r street tier, while others r still street tier

[thick slate]

some are like galaxy tier

got the powers of god

[wheat walrus]

galaxy is a street

[wanton pendant]

Spider-Man is really strong.

[thick slate]

sesame street

[warm gull]

marvelscaling is fake

doesn't exist

[wanton pendant]

One of them once punched through Captain America's shield.

[thick slate]

yea

[split mortar]

Galaxy is a chocolate bar im now your mother versal

[thick slate]

i just read the comics for cool explosions

[icy veldt]

It literally is: Via Lactea - Milky Way

[wheat walrus]

See

[wanton pendant]

But that would make everyone British!?
Shudders.

[warm gull]

when do we get the milky avenue

[icy veldt]

Cheesy street

Moon cheese

[warm gull]

lunarcheese, even

[icy veldt]

Mars pizza sauce

[warm gull]

🌕 🧀

[brazen swallow]

a thought about the conversation before spiderman was brought up:
I think it's so fascinating how everyone's interpretation of calamity is different and influenced by the things we like and maybe a stretch, but also the way we see the world

[wheat walrus]

Timelines r streets

[wanton pendant]

Anyway if Batman was in Calamity he'd win, but if Superman was he'd lose due to no sun.

Wonder Woman... it'd be a bloodbath for Yharim.

Calamitas would likely fare well, since Wonder Woman's nice.

[thick slate]

batman with prep time

[icy veldt]

My mind was built for destroying my enemies (My body, not so much )

[wanton pendant]

The thing is, Batman always has prep time.

[wheat walrus]

Verse equalization for Superman ngl

[wanton pendant]

It's not an active thing, he's always making a plan.

[wanton pendant]

What?

[thick slate]

https://tenor.com/view/imman-yeahimman-man-batman-man-batman-gif-16222489708079543262

[warm gull]

he's still just a guy

[thick slate]

heartbreaking

[wanton pendant]

Yeah but that guy is Batman.

[wheat walrus]

Assume superman would treat calamity's sun like a regular sun

[brazen swallow]

that's what power armor is for

[warm gull]

imagine being the smartest guy in the world and naming yourself batman instead of something cool

[wanton pendant]

Undermines the hypothetical, in which case he wins easily.

[thick slate]

like fatman

[brazen swallow]

"yeah, I'm bat-"
and it's just a bat speaking

[icy veldt]

Brapman

[wanton pendant]

It's to scare people, not be cool.

[warm gull]

oh sure

[icy veldt]

Catgoddess

[wheat walrus]

Fair ig, I do think that he would be affected by calamity's sun in some way

[warm gull]

definitely scarier than a cool name

[thick slate]

i think its cool

[brazen swallow]

I mean for the time batman was created it was cool

[wanton pendant]

He needs the light of a yellow star. Calamity's sun is some magic thing.

[thick slate]

he can use any star

[warm gull]

fair enough I suppose, batman is just the DC ironman anyways

[icy veldt]

Calamity's sun is off-white, not yellow, so it doesn't count

[wanton pendant]

Other stars aren't as good.

[wheat walrus]

So we don't know how he'd interact with it

[wanton pendant]

And Calamity doesn't have normal stars.

[wheat walrus]

Know what that means

[brazen swallow]

names and styles reflect the environments and time they were created

[thick slate]

what

[icy veldt]

Joke

[warm gull]

beige stars

[wanton pendant]

Since it's magic, which Superman isn't built for, I don't like his chances.

[thick slate]

why dont i get embed perms here

[wanton pendant]

I am... all of me?

[warm gull]

because you're in prison

[brazen swallow]

GEG OUT OF MH HEAD

[icy veldt]

Cube-shaped stars

[wheat walrus]

Up to you

[wheat walrus]

MH⁉️

[brazen swallow]

my*

[icy veldt]

Wait wrong game for that

[brazen swallow]

[wheat walrus]

Monster Hunter

[brazen swallow]

REAL

[wanton pendant]

Oh, and Iron Man would humiliate Draedon for being like he was.

[thick slate]

would he

[wanton pendant]

Why wouldn't he?

[thick slate]

i think iron man is getting floored

[wanton pendant]

At least it isn't like those other dragons.

[brazen swallow]

draedon is like if ultron wanted to create stuff

[wanton pendant]

Iron Man is crazy strong at max.

[brazen swallow]

giant laser from thanatos

[thick slate]

draedon is like ultron witha brain

[brazen swallow]

is that the primordial wyrm

[wanton pendant]

Ultron is way worse then Draedon.

[thick slate]

ultron is so cool but he dumb as fuck

[wheat walrus]

Iron Man is gonna do some marvel stuff and make cooler exoprisms that kill draedon

[brazen swallow]

LMAO

[wheat walrus]

That's Valstrax

[wanton pendant]

Exactly.

[brazen swallow]

I men true

[brazen swallow]

jared

[wheat walrus]

It's not even serpentine

[icy veldt]

Iron Man vs Gold Man

[wanton pendant]

Iron Man once cured blindness and made it a subscription service.

[wheat walrus]

It's a bird-like dragon with jetwings

The most serpentine it gets is when it looks like a red comet going at mach fuck above the clouds

[thick slate]

i literally cannot imagine iron man beating the exo mechs

[warm gull]

he watched the terminator in the internet and got inspired

[wanton pendant]

Iron Man would reveal he made Super Exo Mechs ahead of time.

[thick slate]

omg dont even get me started on mcu ultron

[icy veldt]

Draedon should adapt the plague to humanoids and sell temporary relief as a subscription

[warm gull]

also yeah marvel scaling is just bad

[wanton pendant]

The American way.

[wheat walrus]

He makes anti-exo exoprisms that are cooler

[thick slate]

probably

[icy veldt]

To fund revenue for MY new empire, of course

[warm gull]

like there's no way so many things beat things that they end up beating and yet they do

because marvel scaling isn't real

they just write shit

[icy veldt]

What about marble scaling?

[wanton pendant]

It's almost as if the writer decides.

[warm gull]

it isn't even worldbuilding anymore either

[west night]

hi guys is the lore discussion google doc completely up to date just wonderinnnn

[wanton pendant]

And there being multiple continuities.

[warm gull]

marvel and dc have like unsalvageably bad worldbuilding

[west night]

[wanton pendant]

More or less, it only has in game stuff.

[warm gull]

it just makes for fun stories sometimes

[wheat walrus]

For what is ingame, yes

[west night]

what do you mean

[wanton pendant]

Including the literal one error that was found so far.

[west night]

is there something else

[thick slate]

i dont think this is that true

[eager bluff]

powerscaling should be used on a story by story basis to make the story better

[wanton pendant]

So, uh, yeah it's good.

[thick slate]

as someone who has read the a lot of the comics

[wanton pendant]

Doesn't have non-ingame lore.

So nothing about Xeroc.

[brazen swallow]

oh zamn lmao
I only saw the head and neck

[wanton pendant]

Except the little we have.

[west night]

never heard of the fellow

[wanton pendant]

But no names for them.

[west night]

im not too far into calamity

[wanton pendant]

Exactly, never mentioned in game.

[west night]

im only at

[wanton pendant]

By name at least.

[wheat walrus]

It compiles all ingame info, but especially with the lack of updates we get dev statements for additional context, and they're not in the doc

[west night]

uhhh…

[icy veldt]

If your worldbuilding doesn't list the exact tax revenue of Azafure year-by-year, what are you even doing?

[west night]

oh! post mech bosses

[wanton pendant]

There's a whole sky civilzation.

[warm gull]

no I mean, technically marvel and dc have worldbuilding right, its just there's so many random unrelated factors mixed together with no rhyme or reason that it's practically just anything goes

[west night]

thats where i am

[warm gull]

there's no basis for a lot of stuff

[wanton pendant]

That's what I'm saying!

[wanton pendant]

Everything that is shown in game is in the document.

[warm gull]

and the same things have totally different effects on different people when it comes to powers and such

[wanton pendant]

Anything outside of the game is here.

[west night]

ooooo

[wanton pendant]

So stuff like character ages are only here.

[west night]

okay thats cool

[warm gull]

plus the marvel/dc style of multiverse is just kind of the most generic and boring way to go about it

[west night]

does it include the addons (are those considered canon, like wrath of the gods)

[icy veldt]

I want to try an Azafurian taco with cooked Yharim flesh

[wanton pendant]

No.

[icy veldt]

Cal hasn't had tacos in a while, has she?

[wanton pendant]

Never will be.

[wheat walrus]

My worldbuilding will have just enough info to set consistency but will leave many holes for speculation

[wanton pendant]

If you're interested, here are the ages, most aren't in game.

[west night]

waowy

[wanton pendant]

I also made a motivation chart if you care.

[west night]

i like draedon

[eager bluff]

using 100% consistent powerscaling leads to uncontrollable stakes raising where each movie the big bad has to be doing more and more than the last (which is an issue marvel also struggles with but its even worse in other series with 100% internally consistent powerscaling)

[west night]

hes the guy who has the arsenal labs right

those things

[wanton pendant]

Yeah.

[west night]

love him for that

[wanton pendant]

The war crime motivation and justification chart, if you wish to view it.

[eager bluff]

like at least marvel and dc have the capability of making smaller scoped movies which just wouldnt be very possible if the strength of everything was 100% consistent

[west night]

zowers

[wanton pendant]

Wolverine and Hulk half the time exists to show other characters are strong by beating them up.

[wheat walrus]

lwk do what jjk did, there's very rarely any real inconsistency with the power of the characters themselves

[wanton pendant]

Or have enemies that don't rely on being strong.

[wheat walrus]

Also that

[wanton pendant]

And have another way of being a threat.

[wheat walrus]

Part of what jjk does is that, it's not always stats but also abilities

[wanton pendant]

How bizarre.

[eager bluff]

even just off of endgame and infinity war, if the scaling was 100% consistent there wouldnt even be the feasibility of half the movies that have happened since because nearly none of those are dealing with a universal threat

[wheat walrus]

So there's many parameters to keep in check

[wheat walrus]

I think the problem w marvel is the last thing you said

It has too much range you could say

[eager bluff]

its because of how big infinity war got

[wheat walrus]

From street tier to multiversal menaces

[eager bluff]

the scale of everything is way too large but thats an issue outside of direct powerscaling and more of an issue with audience retention

[wheat walrus]

And it's not like "multiversal menace" just means "traveling through timelines and doing funky shit", you have characters doing lots of other crazy shit like take the power of a dying star or rip chunks of a planet and throw them at you like meteors

Fighting what otherwise are street tiers and struggle with much less

[thick slate]

i dont like endgame

infinity war is so much better

[wheat walrus]

My war is infinite, but my game is ending

[wanton pendant]

Why are we talking about Marvel again?

[wheat walrus]

Because calamity is marvelous

[eager bluff]

they're a fitting end to early marvel but like. what now 🧍

[wheat walrus]

She-hulk twerk scene

[thick slate]

endgame blundered like every character and its just fan service slop

[wanton pendant]

I have news about all comics.

[brazen swallow]

about thanos throwing a moon
I think it'd be pretty cool if astrum deus did something like that, as in the lore it launched the astral infection at terraria as a meteor

[eager bluff]

but yeah i dont like having 100% consistent power scaling because of how that eventually just removes the possibility of a smaller scale story happening

[wheat walrus]

just

uhhh

Monster Hunter brainrot is telling me to mention Monster Hunter because you're usually weaker than the monsters you fight and you just take them through persistance and strategy

[icy veldt]

Provy twerk scene 😱

[thick slate]

i feel like this is most things

[eager bluff]

even one piece has this issue, and i love one piece but it is a genuine issue. the strawhats have gotten so strong now that they're like just incapable of struggling in a lot of cases

[wheat walrus]

Sadly

😔

[wheat walrus]

js find the one piece

is it in the

one island

[eager bluff]

early on in one piece it was a lot more about strategizing and negating the devil fruit powers of others but that does seem like its fallen to the wayside

[eager bluff]

which one

[wheat walrus]

the one island with the one piece

the one place

in the one archipelago

[eager bluff]

i wonder if the island that has the one piece is the island that has the one piece

[wheat walrus]

Taiwan

Taiwan Peace is reall

Top 1 calamity lores

Number 1, it's 3AM

[wanton pendant]

It's 2, actually.

[wheat walrus]

Honorable mention

I need to sleep

These days have been many things

Nothing ever happens but also everything happens

p

[thick slate]

never heard of it

[wanton pendant]

Good citizen.

[brazen swallow]

can we get much higher

so high

[thick slate]

:3

[wanton pendant]

Uh.

[long bloom]

:3

[wanton pendant]

What have I done.

[light linden]

:3

[wanton pendant]

Oh God.

[cloud ibex]

lore discussion

[light linden]

WHY

[wanton pendant]

Help.

[cloud ibex]

because we've gotten complaints from lore regulars about this place being stupid too often

[light linden]

we were :3'ing

[wanton pendant]

I know and I'm worried it's contagious.

[long bloom]

you cannot contain the silly.

[thick slate]

they should shoot people i dont like

[jaunty wraith]

Is someone here a god of silly?

[cloud ibex]

i can redirect it

which i'm about to do if people don't get back on topic

[wanton pendant]

Boom, Yharim, back on topic.

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim casually favoring bees over child soldiers

[thick slate]

just a bit of banter 🇬🇧

[wanton pendant]

Bees obey their leader... child soldiers misbehave. Child soldiers get the belt.

[wanton pendant]

What the hell.

[jaunty wraith]

What was the intent with calamitas clone? Why did draedon make it?

[wanton pendant]

To try and recreate Calamitas' power.

As stated by himself.

[cloud ibex]

yharim told him to "replicate" calamitas' power and draedon tried the most direct approach

[wanton pendant]

Didn't work, her power isn't genetic.

[jaunty wraith]

But why exactly did he continue? If I recall that was one of the last things yharim asked draeodn to do before rhe bee incident

[wanton pendant]

He also did this after being fired.

He wanted to know if he could.

[thick slate]

cloning people is so easy

[jaunty wraith]

He couldn't

[wanton pendant]

He could.

[thick slate]

idk why the government don't just do that

[wanton pendant]

He succeeded.

[jaunty wraith]

I mean he couldnt match calamitas full power

[wanton pendant]

At no part did Draedon fail anything related to cloning.

But Calamitas' power isn't genetic.

So the clone didn't have ANY power.

[jaunty wraith]

Also the fact the clone is basically in a life of suffering

[wanton pendant]

Not his fault.

Nothing to do with him.

[jaunty wraith]

It doesnt? I thought that was just an inperfection because of how complex human mind is

[brazen swallow]

they did it for the clone wars from star wars

[wanton pendant]

No, Calamitastwo is biologically just like Calamitas.

Calamitas, however, biologically is a normal woman.

[brazen swallow]

(oh wait it wasn't the government even in that universe)

[jaunty wraith]

Then what happened to it psychology?

[wanton pendant]

She somehow absorbed part of Calamitas' power and went insane.

[brazen swallow]

I wonder if calamitas and calclone get along

[wanton pendant]

This was after Calamitas attempted a rescue, and succeeded.

But at the cost of the clone going insane.

Lacking the mental fortitude Calamitas had built up.

[cloud ibex]

unknown

[brazen swallow]

iirc it was calamitas gave calclone a little of her power or is it only implied?

[brazen swallow]

oh well

[wanton pendant]

We don't know how it happened.

[cloud ibex]

she probably feels kinda weird about it but still hopes it manages to like

have a life

[wanton pendant]

Whether it was given, stolen, an accident.

Nobody knows, except the two Calamitas.

[jaunty wraith]

Honestly with how much that piwer messed it up, maybe putting it out of its misery was the most merciful thing to do

[wanton pendant]

I'm a spareable Clone truther.

[jaunty wraith]

Actually can I fix calclone?

[wanton pendant]

Basically, if Draedon made a hundred clones, he'd just have a hundred normal women, who all look near identical to Calamitas.

[brazen swallow]

this is real in our hearts

[jaunty wraith]

Isn't the form we see in game just a case that holds the calclone?

[brazen swallow]

I think so

[wanton pendant]

It's an outdated sprite.

That's the excuse for it.

Until they make a proper one.

[brazen swallow]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Same with Calamitas' old sprite, the old lore had an excuse for it too.

[jaunty wraith]

Until I get an offical calamitas clone sprite, im gonna headcannon the infernum one

[brazen swallow]

what was calamitas even supposed to be when she was that eye thing?

[wanton pendant]

Cursed.

By a man who can't do magic.

Yharim was quite talented at magic for someone who can't do magic.

[wanton pendant]

Realistically, Infernum's horns are too big, and the wrong colour, since she's biologically the same.

[jaunty wraith]

I know she's biological the same, but there's got to be some difference mainly to differentiate in game

[wanton pendant]

The better question would be where she got the outfit.

[brazen swallow]

cursed?
I mean what being it was, in the ckrrent lore and sprite it's an azafurian human iirc

[jaunty wraith]

Silly dumb headcannon I just got

What if that was one of calamitas old uniforms

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, she's a normal human from Azafure. In the old lore she got cursed.

[brazen swallow]

I see

[wanton pendant]

By Yharim. WHO CAN'T DO MAGIC!
This is the second time he does something like this.

[jaunty wraith]

Is there a requirement to do magic?

Cause the player can just get a wand of sparking like in the first minutes and become a magic user

[wanton pendant]

No, it's old lore stuff.

Now magic is stored in the bones.

So you need bones, probably.

So Yharim can has magic now, since all of that 'can't do magic' stuff is firmly no longer canon.

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim has bones if I recall

But wouldnt that mean that the slimes cant use magic?

[wanton pendant]

Unless he replaced them with Testosterone.

[brazen swallow]

so magic weapons are more of a way to channel magic power or something?

[wanton pendant]

Have you ever seen a magic slime?

[wanton pendant]

Some of them, probably.

[jaunty wraith]

King slime does have a crown jewel he uses

[wanton pendant]

The jewel's magic, of course.

[brazen swallow]

it would be fun if it was the jewel that allowed king slime to teleport, and the jewel was an accessory that allows to teleport near an entity

probably just accessory rod of discord but still fun

[brazen swallow]

i imagine that stuff like staffs of something
spell tomes are probably different because they tell the user what to do to cast whatever the spell is

[thick slate]

he would

[wanton pendant]

That's what I've been saying!

[jaunty wraith]

Draedon when I name ares "skeletron prime prime"

[brazen swallow]

he already thinks that the terrarian has bad taste with names

[wanton pendant]

What's wrong with Miracle Matter?

[brazen swallow]

he would think this is outrageous lmao

[jaunty wraith]

Its the mech bosses he really hated

[brazen swallow]

iirc he just thinks it's not miracles because it's science
but that's coming from the guy that wants to know everything so he probably knows how it works so it's not so special to him

but to more normal people a material that powerful is basically a miracle

[jaunty wraith]

How's he gonna react to us naming a spell book "golden shower"

[wanton pendant]

If he knew how it worked why didn't he make any? Checkmate, atheists.

[brazen swallow]

real

[plucky juniper]

some guy just asked me a very important question

[brazen swallow]

lmao

[plucky juniper]

"Who would win? Devourer of Gods, or Thanatos?"

[wanton pendant]

Thanatos, probably.

[brazen swallow]

in theory it's probably thanatos

[eager bluff]

thanny

[plucky juniper]

i am restraining myself from saying something insanely fabsolian

[brazen swallow]

draedon designed thanatos after learning as much as he could from cosmilite and stuff

lmfao what

the horror

[thick slate]

thanos

[brazen swallow]

isn't that the worm exomech or something

[wanton pendant]

Thanatos is.

[brazen swallow]

I haven't played fargo's calamities

[wanton pendant]

What?

[brazen swallow]

my humor is beyond saving sorry

[wanton pendant]

You seem to favour a certain word, certainly. Is that what humour is to kids these days?

[frail hearth]

k so i have a hunch i've asked this before, so bare with me pl0x ;p;

how long ago was the lore? like roughly from when you the terrarian arrives.

[wanton pendant]

How do you mean?

How much history do we know, or how long the game length is?

[long bloom]

the crusade started roughly 100 years ago

but the lore goes back thousands of years

[frail hearth]

like years-wise how long as this place just been kinda festering in it's post-lore events before we arrive.

[long bloom]

stuff's been happening

[wanton pendant]

Crusade was around 104/5 years I think.

[long bloom]

there's lore events just months before you show up

[wanton pendant]

Azafure is ruined around 15 years ago.

[frail hearth]

which one's the most like recent? sorry my head's a lil foggy today >_<;

[wanton pendant]

Ilmeris around 12, maybe.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim gets new armour and leaves.

[long bloom]

yharim fighting braelor and statis

[wanton pendant]

Goes to Dragon's Aerie.

[long bloom]

yeah then dips

[wanton pendant]

Before that he nearly dies to the gay rights.

[frail hearth]

that's so funny ;u;

bro gets his armour and fucks off

[wanton pendant]

This results in the crusade finally dying out, his empire crumbles with his absence.

Then we show up.

[frail hearth]

where is the lore/fanon yaoi fic where the fellas are a couple? asking for normal scholarly reasons 0u0

[wanton pendant]

That is canon.

[frail hearth]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[wanton pendant]

Statis and Braelor are gay.

[long bloom]

they're the only canon relationship

the only fucking one

it's amazing

[frail hearth]

GAY PEOPLE AREFINALLY REAL

[wanton pendant]

Except CalamitasxHomelessness.

[long bloom]

true

[wanton pendant]

YharimxPermafrost.

[frail hearth]

I like to think Calamitas and like... idk one of the girls get togeather

[wanton pendant]

Nope.

She's aro/ace.

[frail hearth]

damn you bound sis to the caves? ;0;

oh that's what you mean lol

[wanton pendant]

Also the caves.

And she hates herself.

[frail hearth]

I like to give her a lil hut in the forrest.

somewhere she can hear the birds

[wanton pendant]

Here's the warcrime guilt chart, if you wish.

[frail hearth]

girls been though a lot even tho she kinda did genocide the sunken sea @-@;

[thick slate]

women arent real

[wanton pendant]

It wasn't called that when she was there.

[wanton pendant]

TRUE!

[frail hearth]

if women aren't real how are my eyes real IDIOT

PWND

[thick slate]

idk,,,

[wanton pendant]

If women were real, then I would have seen one by now!

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

Uh, your eyes aren't real.

[frail hearth]

what the fuck ;0;

you're teeling me my peepers were FICTIONAL this whole time????

[wanton pendant]

Yup.

This is a real eye.

[long bloom]

a true eye, even

[wanton pendant]

One of these days we will learn if 'Permafrost's kid was murdered by a god' theory is true.

[frail hearth]

Permafrost lowkey my problomatic goat.

i mean he's also complicate in genocide but he at least seemed to care for calamitas during the crusades? ;0;

He's got grandad swag

also he sells ice cream so like he can't be all bad surely.

ice cream is the shit >:D

[wanton pendant]

He cares about Calamitas, that's why he left.

He couldn't take Yharim weaponizing his daughter.

[frail hearth]

Dude lowkey Yharim reads to me like

a whinier hitler?

[wanton pendant]

That's why they call him Auric Hitler, Gold Hitler, Giga Hitler, etc.

Sorry mods.

[frail hearth]

like instead of reigning himself back in once shit started going south he just sorta got sad and let it happen.

[faint totem]

Shitler

[frail hearth]

now you, the player are here, and he beams his angsting directly into your brain via the lore drops >u>

[wanton pendant]

Did you read the chart and that's where this insight is coming from?
He also has a rock for that.

[frail hearth]

like you don't know me like that man get outta my head. enough people are there already ;0;

[wanton pendant]

A magic rock.

A gossip stone, basically.

[frail hearth]

a rock of magic you say? :0

also no sorry i got distracted. i'll open it now >_>;

DAMN DUDE

PERMAFROST'S 90+???

[wanton pendant]

400+

[frail hearth]

got damn.

[faint totem]

Yharim likes bees.

[wanton pendant]

Not a crime.

[thick slate]

old man yaoi

[long bloom]

550+

[frail hearth]

i won't lie i find it really cute he likes bees >u<

[wanton pendant]

Source?

[frail hearth]

it's such a simple thing but it does something for his characterisation to me

[frail hearth]

we need second old man lore figure to pair him with

[faint totem]

He really likes bees

[long bloom]

forgor

[faint totem]

Yharim. TOXIC old man Yaoi

[wanton pendant]

It's because bees are obedient to their leader.

[long bloom]

but it's higher than 400

[wanton pendant]

I saw dev dialogue where he refers to himself as being four hundred.

[frail hearth]

YOU SPEAK THE HIGH TRUTHS FORBIDDEN BY THE ARCHIVES AS YOU SHOULD 🔥 🔥 🔥

[long bloom]

weird

[wanton pendant]

The Permafrost Christmas dialogue.

[long bloom]

i've only seen devs saying 500+

[frail hearth]

Permafrost's one night stand with Santa

[wanton pendant]

'Three-hundred and some-odd years later, and... well, I can not and will not take all the credit, but ice magic is certainly not all that uncommon these days!' 'In all of my four-hundred years, I have only encountered a handful of mages who have mastered it.' Of course, the dialogue is subject to change, so it might have been revised.

But anyway, Permafrost's really, really old.

But Draedon's older.

[long bloom]

yeh

[frail hearth]

Dreadon's freaky with it >_>;

[wanton pendant]

What.

[frail hearth]

dude the "all for science" types creep me out in stories ;0;

cus like damn dude I get it but fuckin ay if you CAN fix the ocean's polution jsut fukkin DO IT >:U

[wanton pendant]

He's the one who ruined it. Well, half the reason.

[frail hearth]

healtheir fish are prolly more interesting to study

[wanton pendant]

He could fix it, but wants to study the nuclear fish.

[frail hearth]

dude's main problem with the mecha bosses was "bro has too much free will. will fix it next patch"

[wanton pendant]

Yes, because Draedon is very much pro-slavery.

[frail hearth]

like ya but who isen't in this lore if it serves the cursade? >_>;

[wanton pendant]

What?

[frail hearth]

yahrim acording to the chart's loose on the definition, which to me reads as ok with slavory with extra steps

[wanton pendant]

He won't put someone in chains.

But he will emotionally extort them.

And threaten disobedience with death.

[frail hearth]

of course! they joined of their own free will! and because if they didn't he'd prolly do dictator shit to their loved ones (who are also conscripted)

[wanton pendant]

He made a 13 year old girl fight for him.

[frail hearth]

literally groomed a child into genocide

[wanton pendant]

That's why I said loose on definition.

Calamitas was barely more than a slave to him.

[pliant ruin]

reigning

[frail hearth]

i'm not a strong speller im sorry ;-;

[pliant ruin]

some. some kind of. some. some kind of. some kind. some kind of

sonme kind of rieng

reign

reign of

reign

reign fo yh

[long bloom]

happened to my buddy roy

[pliant ruin]

tbh if anything the yharmy is very explicitly anti-slavery
like ok the yharmy and yharim and their morals ARE horrible not denying that

but objectively speaking

yharim is very much against slavery

its like the reason draedon got kicked out

[eager bluff]

hes against slavery, not coercion and blackmail

or just lying

[pliant ruin]

yeah .

[glacial rampart]

im.,,, im not real. ,,??

[robust osprey]

No youre not

but worry not

I am not real aswell

[jaunty wraith]

Yharim when enslaving animals: 😠

Yharim when blackmailing and manipulating a child: :/

[plucky juniper]

would yharim like seals

[long bloom]

DO NOT INFECT THIS CHANNEL

[plucky juniper]

would yharim like seals

this is an important question Xzier

[long bloom]

[hoary cape]

They aren't bees

So probably not

Plus he is evil and only evil people hate seals

[light linden]

are uh

[plucky juniper]

does yharim perceive auric dragons as bees

[light linden]

are seals even canonical to calamity?

[plucky juniper]

okay

i have a crackpot explanation to suggest that seals might

post 1.4.5

Seals are a rather common food source for Orcas, who will be properly added to Terraria in 1.4.5

[light linden]

don't orcas also not live near sandy beaches?

[plucky juniper]

actually

There is footage of orcas who in an insane gambit to feed on sea lions, literally beach themselves to catch sea lions

So, I dunno man

[light linden]

I thought they mainly lived near the arctic

[plucky juniper]

no

[frail hearth]

he fuckin better >:I

[plucky juniper]

they're actually cosmopolitan, which means that they basically are present in literally every single ocean

[frail hearth]

seals are adorbs

[plucky juniper]

they're fucking everywhere

you cant escape them

[frail hearth]

why would you want to escape seals?

[plucky juniper]

no im talking about orcas

[frail hearth]

I'd hug one if I had a chance

[light linden]

tbh I find them unsettling

[frail hearth]

seals are so huggable but sadly they are wild animals and you're not allowed to do that ;u;

[frail hearth]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

🔫

[light linden]

they'd look like one of rockwell's experiments if it wasn't for the lack of element

[plucky juniper]

All i can think of when i hear people say stuff like this is that one video of some guys trying to pet a harp seal pup, and the pup having NONE of that

[frail hearth]

they are the most blorbo ass animal on the planet and you're slandering them

[plucky juniper]

dont tell ein i posted seal stuff here

[frail hearth]

see look at him LOOK AT HIM

he's so good

[plucky juniper]

get back to lore stuff NOW

[light linden]

actually

y'all don't know who rockwell is do y'all?

[frail hearth]

seals are extreamly relevent to calmity lore

if not i will make them

AURIC SEAL EXPANSION.

[plucky juniper]

not in this context no

[light linden]

rockwell from ark

basically a wannabe eldritch god

[plucky juniper]

oh

[frail hearth]

never played it sorry >_<;

[light linden]

made several very fucked creations like

[frail hearth]

my computer's a potato battery ;u;

[plucky juniper]

i think i unfortunately actually vaguely know what you're talking about

[light linden]

a lionfish lion

[plucky juniper]

but also

[light linden]

a triangle that consumes free will

[plucky juniper]

what the fuck do you mean he would make seals

are you confusing leopard seals with the entire group of seals

[light linden]

no I just think they look like a mismatch of animals

[plucky juniper]

they certainly are very odd, i'll give you that

but they're not like

man-made horrors beyond human comprehension

[frail hearth]

they became horrors beyond human comprehension with their OWN TWO FLIPPERS!!! >:U

[light linden]

I also dislike the noises they make

immensely

[frail hearth]

you're just divoid of whimsy i think

their snorty babbling's part of their cute factor

[plucky juniper]

i think i know exactly who you are thunderx

you're the orange cat in this video

[light linden]

I'm allergic to cats

[plucky juniper]

A CLEAR LIE!

TO DIVERT AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT I JUST SHOWED LIVE FOOTAGE OF YOU

[warm gull]

thunderous warcry

[wanton pendant]

As I think about the idea of Azafure being called the first city, I find it harder to believe. I have a theory that older societies existed but were destroyed entirely. Perhaps this destruction had something to do with the shattering of the World Soul?

[real silo]

Older small villages probably existed

[wanton pendant]

Well, obviously.

But based on the idea that Azafure was the very first city is extremely hard to believe.

Another part of it is that Azafurians would have had to live in hell for a very long time to develop horns, but hell, even before it got to its current state would be quite inhospitable. Demons are probably not new, it's still got lava and a food and water would be highly limited. A very strange place for the first large scale inhabited area.

It's also due to the amount of time. Large scale civilization that called for cities developed 5000 years ago in our world, and that was after ages of doing nothing. 1227 years after making a city in Calamity, they have robots, which is an exceedingly fast level of development. So my theory is that there were prior civilizations that were wiped out, but the technology survived, leading to a very rapid redevelopment.

Considering the oldest civilizations we know of were very much NOT on the surface, this could mean that the surface was very dangerous for some time. Azafure is deep underground, and Chrysadia was in the sky.

[glass tartan]

It is very likely that there was an Era of enlightenment with the Draconic Era, working in tandem to flourish the world after the fact!

Who knows how it was, even before the Dragons came.

[icy veldt]

Skeletron Secundus

[icy veldt]

You wouldn't like Provy's new post-defeat form, then

[split mortar]

chat do yall think the other elementals can heal themself from near death faster then silva?

[ivory vigil]

The best way to fighting horrors beyond human comprehension is to not comprehend it aka just go "I don't get it" and now the horrors can't affect you anymore

[split mortar]

thats how yyarim fought agnus

[wanton pendant]

I don't know about you, but the horrors often fail to comprehend me, so I win.

[wheat walrus]

Aint no way they 🦭sealed🦭 this chat

[limpid saddle]

Thats a good question

I would assume they can manifest themselves alot easier due to not being bound to a body by a God Soul like Silva is (or at least that's what i assume is how she works) given Brimstone Elemental came back from the ass-whooping & power draining of several lifetimes only like 15 years later at a post WOF strength

[split mortar]

Also the fact their element is much less complex then a living body (made of water or sand or fire or clouds)

[limpid saddle]

That is true

It's easy to forget someone like Anahita doesn't have organs

on an irrelevant note i drew my interpretation of the God Of Dogma again

it's still rough (just because i suck shit) but i feel like i've refined it more

[gaunt sluice]

Pretty sure the industrial revolution was speedran by Draedon

[split mortar]

Yeah the surface was very dangerous
The sun was a lot brighter and would just not be good for you iirc

[wanton pendant]

They had to make Draedon first. And Draedon kept his stuff hidden until recently.

[gaunt sluice]

i mean we dont know who made draedon tho

[wanton pendant]

We know who did is dead.

[gaunt sluice]

and I don't remember where but somewhere it mentions people being scared of his surveillance drones once he wakes up

because they don't know what they are

[long bloom]

mentions it in draetalk

[wanton pendant]

A very long time ago, people spotted his drones, but he grew more secretive and they faded into obscurity.

[gaunt sluice]

yea

[wanton pendant]

Only people who knew a lot about history like Yharim would be aware of the sightings.

[gaunt sluice]

so yeah someone was advanced way past anything people could dream of at the time

left it to draedon

and then he speedruns all of modern science behind Yharim

[brazen swallow]

iirc the tech at the time draedon appeared was early industrial revolution or something

then yeah draedon just speedran everything

[jaunty wraith]

If i cant date calamitas, what about cal clone?

[balmy glacier]

not lore expert but it's probably far more unhinged than her original self

[icy veldt]

Provy's unhinged too, but she gets along just fine as a catgirl

[limpid saddle]

I think if you suggested it she would release a banshee-esque wail while gripping her head in pain before burning you to ashes

Though i think that's her response to most things

[split mortar]

Can we spare and save calclone

[icy veldt]

What if I injected CalClone with cat-ifier juice that makes her catlike?

Would she hiss really loud before burning me to ashes?

[young socket]

congrats

instead of an unstable girl u have an unstable catgirl

[split mortar]

You will still get murdered

And banshee wails

Just two triangles on her head

[icy veldt]

Joke's on you, an unstable catgirl is perfect!

CalClone just needs something like painkillers or antipsychotics or something

[jaunty wraith]

You act like im not into insane woman

I can fix her

[visual kiln]

calcl

[icy veldt]

Calcium

[visual kiln]

calclone army

[limpid saddle]

Tonights episode: The writers poorly disguised fetish

[wanton pendant]

Now, I'm not an expert on how cloning works, but I'd guess Clone would also be aro/ace.

[limpid saddle]

Well same brain chemistry so presumably

[wanton pendant]

So she wouldn't want to date you either.

[jaunty wraith]

Thats the realistic answer

[icy veldt]

Darn

[limpid saddle]

& like, we're still 50/50 on whether or not she has SCal's memories & if she does we still dont know how many of them

[jaunty wraith]

Especially since its a biological recreation in every way

[limpid saddle]

My assumption has always been the really traumatizing ones & nothing else except memories to contextualize the trauma

[jaunty wraith]

Or you could get into the whole thing weather being ace is a biological thing or an environmental thing

Nature vs nurture

[long bloom]

both i think

[limpid saddle]

Sexuality in general seems to be something that is inherently fluid

[icy veldt]

Depends on the individual, I think

[limpid saddle]

But just because its water doesnt mean it doesnt have some set paths down the creek if you catch my meaning

[wanton pendant]

Gay people are made of water, got it.

Wait.

My life is a lie.

[limpid saddle]

Water Wraith comes out?

[icy veldt]

Does that mean that Yharim is made of fire?

[split mortar]

Waterwraith gay?

[wanton pendant]

Better question. What's with the cat?

[split mortar]

Avitus likes catgirls i think

[icy veldt]

Ummm

[limpid saddle]

cough

[long bloom]

who doesn't

[icy veldt]

😳

[wanton pendant]

Disguised? What disguise?

[icy veldt]

Yharim, because he's evil

[limpid saddle]

im quoting the meme

[split mortar]

Gay men

[wanton pendant]

I know.

[icy veldt]

It's almost self-hatred, but not quite, because Yharim is a catboy

[limpid saddle]

ok i fucked up quoting the meme

[icy veldt]

HA HA! Minor quotation error

[wanton pendant]

Let's be honest, considering we're in illiteracy central, is it that big of a surprise?

[icy veldt]

That bif of a suprise? Apparently not

[wanton pendant]

Unfair, I've big hands, makes it hard to hit the keys.

[limpid saddle]

posting it again because i couldnt think of anything to drive discussion away from avitus's feline fetish but i drew my interpretation of the God Of Dogma again

I think I still need to refine the design more but for right now i'm like, ambivalent with it

[brazen swallow]

nice

[wanton pendant]

Pre-ascension form.

[balmy glacier]

devil, cry.

sob a river!

[limpid saddle]

I gave him all those seraphim-esque features to show how he invokes the authority of the divine while not ultimately having the understanding & inner strength to represent it

Also because I thought it would be fun to tie into the Corruption's visual elements of 'spikey shit with lots of eyes'

[wanton pendant]

Ironic that he appears to have the eye of Providence, considering that's someone else.

[long bloom]

what eye of providence

huh

[limpid saddle]

(that's why i drew his arms to be very spindly & small & wearing an oversized robes)

[limpid saddle]

in like the biblical sense not the

calami..tal

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

This is the eye of Providence, it's on American money.

[pliant ruin]

sexuality is not something you're inherently born with and it can be influenced by your enviroment

So not necessarily

On that note thouhg

[wanton pendant]

I said I wasn't an expert on cloning!

[pliant ruin]

yeah i dont think clone would be interested on dating anyone

i think shed probably be aroace but not just by virtue of being a clone of calamitas but just by virtue of being Her

[limpid saddle]

Yup

[wanton pendant]

I'd also say the no social experience traumatized clone would probably not fare well on the dating scene.

Or, any scene, for that matter.

When do we get to spare her!

[limpid saddle]

Well she had one social experience

[long bloom]

[wanton pendant]

And look where that got her.

[limpid saddle]

being broken out of her vat by her 'original' & recieving her dark powers unwillingly

[limpid saddle]

all im saying is... it counts....

[wanton pendant]

So that's how people get agoraphobia.

I think it'd be cool if you could find the charred ruins of Draedon's cloning lab.

[long bloom]

oh that sounds peak

[icy veldt]

Oh yeah that's a good idea. Maybe it could have other stuff, like genetic modification equipment you could use for some later quest or something I dunno

[wanton pendant]

I feel like there wouldn't be much left considering it had Calamitas bust in, and then Calamitas Clone exist.

[long bloom]

unused yharon cloning blueprints

[icy veldt]

Try to make Yharon clone, get regular chicken

[wanton pendant]

Makes some kind of folly...

[limpid saddle]

I always assumed they got out of the lab before the transfer happened in my personal amv i will never actually animate brainspace

[long bloom]

a bumbling bird

[wanton pendant]

Either way, you think Calamitas would allow such a place to exist?

Since I feel the answer's no.

[icy veldt]

Terrarian: "Why is the Yharon clone just a regular chicken?"
Draedon: (in New Jersey accent) "I'm gonna be honest with you, pal: I got no fuckin' clue"

[wanton pendant]

Auric soul made him grow big like a genetically modified chicken.

[limpid saddle]

Well Dreadon said she was put away in a storage facility if im not misremembering

[wanton pendant]

I'd need to ask my local chicken expert though.

[wanton pendant]

When was this?

[limpid saddle]

so i dont think calamitas was in the actual lab

[wanton pendant]

'Calamitas herself broke into the laboratory that the clone was stored in and released it.'

[icy veldt]

Clone Yharon a billion times. Infinite food glitch

[wanton pendant]

Ok so that's called agriculture.

[icy veldt]

Plant chicken nugget seeds, grow chicken nugget plants, harvest for chicken nuggets. Boom

I'm sure Draedon would try to invent something like that

[wanton pendant]

I think my local chicken expert would protest that idea.

Ok, Empress was not there earlier.

[icy veldt]

They're roommates

[manic coral]

ok i am actually almost done with calamitas-related SSO stuff

[wanton pendant]

Yay!

[manic coral]

i am on the final stretch

[wheat walrus]

Peak

[manic coral]

my only worry si that some people will dislike how much calamitas yaps when you meet her agin after her fight

[wanton pendant]

I don't see the issue. I'm the only one here who can read most of the time, so who's gonna notice!

[manic coral]

but to be fair, she DOES need to explain weapon enchantment and exhuming on TOP of an apology for trying to murder you

and a full explaination why

[split mortar]

The terrarian getting yap from calamitas physically and yhap from yharim psychically

[manic coral]

like all of those things are kinda essential

[wanton pendant]

Please, no more, or I'll end up buying more plushies!

[icy veldt]

How nice/rude can the Terrarian be in response?

[pliant ruin]

you can tell her to go fuck off

[wheat walrus]

Yapcore

[manic coral]

mena enough that you cna end the dialogue very quickly if you want to

[wanton pendant]

That's mean!

[pliant ruin]

(basically)