lore-discussion

[split mortar]

It makes energy
Is limitless
Its byproduct (miracle matter) isnt as bad as radioactivity if it even forms at all

[spring plover]

Does draedon have Schizoprenia

[wanton pendant]

(Why on earth would you argue Cryogenic bars aren't ice related.)

No, probably.

Why would he?

[split mortar]

Draedon would just code out the schizophrenia

[wanton pendant]

Also true.

[wheat walrus]

miracle matter i'm pretty sure just comes from the extreme energy melting down all kinds of materials by the molecules and merging them

[wheat walrus]

which i wouldn't necessarily compare to leaving lingering ionizing radiation

[split mortar]

Yeah hence why i said if it forms at all cause that can be avoided by not pushing the prisms as hard as possible

[wanton pendant]

If he has anything it'd be Anti Social Personality Disorder. But I doubt that I think he's just inhuman.

[wheat walrus]

thinking abt it

[split mortar]

Draedons just autistic

[wheat walrus]

if miracle matter is formed like that, then in theory exo-prisms aren't the only thing capable of doing that

[wanton pendant]

We don't strap nukes to bees.

That's not a symptom.

[wheat walrus]

granted, the requirement isn't merely lots of energy, it's being able to melt and merge things together down to molecules

[split mortar]

The plague looks cool so why wouldnt you

[wanton pendant]

Because bees?

[wheat walrus]

was gonna start diving into some rl physics but i realized this is a topic i need to look into more

[limpid saddle]

True

[split mortar]

Bees but green tho…

[wanton pendant]

Who cares about green that much?

[split mortar]

Its my fav colour

[wanton pendant]

I see enough green. It's called looking outside.

[spring plover]

Wgat even is miracle matter

[split mortar]

^

[wanton pendant]

Byproduct of Exo Prisms.

[wanton pendant]

Is this green humour?

[split mortar]

And also exo prism fuckery

[wheat walrus]

greendeed

[split mortar]

Stable miracle matter is what we make and is a much more specific combo of fruit

[limpid saddle]

the plague is awesome

wish we saw more of it

[split mortar]

Hopefully we do

[wanton pendant]

Plague destroyed my forest!

[split mortar]

I want more nukes attached to things

[limpid saddle]

Plague people when

[wanton pendant]

Can't wait for tomorrow when someone will claim that Devourer of Gods doesn't eat gods.

[split mortar]

They didnt in old lore

[wanton pendant]

Of course they didn't.

What the hell were they thinking.

[split mortar]

Guy ate like half a astrum deus

[nimble mantle]

Space spaghetti

[split mortar]

And thats like
All it ever hinted at them eating iirc

[wanton pendant]

Astrum Deus also got better.

[nimble mantle]

If there are astral infection themed food and drinks

Best served hot or best served cold?

[long bloom]

cold

[wanton pendant]

This was discussed earlier.

They would kill you.

[split mortar]

Wait we are getting astral fruits at some point no? Astral is probably edible if not in large or dense enough doses
Bite an astral ore and you get stomach cancer still imo

[wanton pendant]

If so, I may have to do some rewritting. Would an Astral Firefly be bad?

I.e. Twinkler.

[long bloom]

yes

in sso

[wanton pendant]

So do you think Twinkler is edible?

[hoary cape]

The plague ate my cat

[light linden]

I still want the illmerians to make sea grape wine just for the funny

[icy veldt]

The Plægüe once bit my sister

[lean crane]

idk if this counts as "lore" discussion, but lore wise, would supreme calamitas or gojo win

(idk enough about scal's strength lore wise)

[split mortar]

Gojo wins due to abilities, calamitas vaporises him stats wise tho iirc

[lean crane]

does she not have anything to bypass infinity? Like would any of the curses she has not work

[split mortar]

To hit infinity you either need infinite range or to bypass space in some way iirc
Afaik she lacks that

[lean crane]

anything that hits the soul works as well

only reason mahito can't do it is that his soul manipulation requires touch

[split mortar]

How is hitting the soul meant to happen if you cant make contact…

[lean crane]

I mean like soul manipulation attacks

kind of a dumb example but kind of like the blue soul from undertale

[split mortar]

Like if scal lands one hit he is fucked cause her flames can burn so hot even the soul turns to ash iirc

Its just she has no way to bypass infinity iirc

[wheat walrus]

Yea, so do cal's flames here

:p

[lean crane]

genuinely just kinda hard for me to believe, are the "curses" they talk about in the lore just projectiles?

[split mortar]

Also what curses you on about

[lean crane]

I swear there was lore stuff about her being able to do curse magic

[split mortar]

The magic still needs to travel to the target afaik

[wheat walrus]

Usually most debuffs are inflicted by attacks

[split mortar]

^

DoG is prob more likely to win on the offchance of spawning a portal on gojo and telefragging him by pure chance

And idk if that would actually work

[wheat walrus]

Anyways, last time we had ppl just inflicting curses in the manner you seem to be hinting at was in Old Lore, where Yharim somehow casted a curse on Calamitas from afar, but this was highly controversial (especially because Yharim otherwise never uses magic and Calamitas is the strongest magic user) and doesn't happen in the current lore

[lean crane]

goofy idea, what about ceaseless void

like unironically

[wheat walrus]

We don't get anything of that sort now, that we know of at least

Anyways, terrarian with aotc should be able to go through infinity

[split mortar]

Could work ceaseless is a portal but uh
Does ceaseless even deal contact damage???

[lean crane]

holy crap that guy got instantly smited

[split mortar]

Aotc actually cuts space??

[lean crane]

in desperation phase I'm pretty sure it does

[wheat walrus]

But aotc doesn't seem like it bypasses durability despite it cutting space, as we don't just instakill bosses

[split mortar]

I thougjt it was exagerarion

Last time i asked im pretty sure you said it was

Wait that was elements

Not cosmos

[lean crane]

...

[split mortar]

Item deacriptions are very often overexageration and cool over being factual

[wheat walrus]

What you're thinking isn't exaggeration, it was Cei saying that tooltips are often not considered by the current writing team because they were made several years ago when the mod's lore didn't have a real scope and the current writers weren't there

[split mortar]

:california:

Ah ok

[wheat walrus]

It might include aotc, but I'm also not sure since I remember at least Reb talking as if it cut actual space here, and ironically enough I'm pretty sure the context was Gojo VS Calamity of all things

Would need to look back a lot

Through this chat, to find it

[wheat walrus]

Even still, what one dev may say/consider, another dev may not

This goes all ways

So keep that in mind when talking about topics like tooltip canonicity

For at the end, if not stated otherwise by the source material...

It's up to you

Shit I didn't even grab the version with just the dude

ffs

[split mortar]

Lmao

[wheat walrus]

I'm gonna do what I said I was gonna do in another server before proceeding to not do it

Sleep.

[wheat walrus]

You too should do this, Melon Gun.

[split mortar]

True

Gonna do it in 5 hours

Jk ill try to do what i meant to do today in the morning

[lean crane]

honestly, I do think at the very least the ark of the cosmos is accurate to the tooltip

also, it would be fitting if the main counter that the calamity mod terrarian had to gojo was a weapon that is kind of like the calamity equivalent to the zenith

[split mortar]

every boss has like universe+ durability now

[warm gull]

worms

[split mortar]

worms

[hoary cape]

Worms

Every boss becomes worm and is immune to one specific class

[wanton pendant]

I don't know who Gojo is, but I believe I've heard of that ability, remind me again of how it works?

[split mortar]

He basically puts an infinite amount of distance between you and him so attacks never actually hit
Thats his defensive thing called infinity

[wanton pendant]

Oh, right, I heard of that, wasn't it bypassed by attacking their location and not them directly.

[split mortar]

Yeah something that fucks with space i think?

[wanton pendant]

So DoG has a good chance with the telefragging idea.

[split mortar]

Good compared to scal

Who has 0 afaik

[wanton pendant]

But Calamitas, as far as we know, doesn't have spatial manipulating abilities except MAYBE teleporting if we assume that her being spawned in from nowhere is canon and she doesn't just, I don't know, walk to the arena.

[split mortar]

Yeah

[wanton pendant]

Like, it's not impossible she knows something like that, but nothing that can be definitive.

Since we only know of like, five kinds of magic she can certainly do.

She probably knows more, but anything past that is speculation.

[split mortar]

Space gravity fuckery is more distortion related anyways

[wanton pendant]

It's unlikely we would learn of her knowing stuff like that anyway, since she usually relies on her ace Brimstone magic, with Necromancy for support.

No need for spatial rend when you can just incinerate the enemy.

[split mortar]

So noxus probably compresses gojo like a hydraulic press

[wanton pendant]

Poor chap.

[split mortar]

Could vortex pillar do anything??? It has gravity fuckery as one of its things kinda

[wanton pendant]

Although, the idea that literally anyone in Undertale would win is hilarious.

Yeah, but like, only if it spawns a lightning portal on him I guess.

Could Cultist kill him?

He can do spatial stuff.

[split mortar]

Really?

[wanton pendant]

He teleports a bunch.

And summons things.

Like, his attacks are based on the pillars, in the base game, and Calamity doesn't remove his moveset...

[split mortar]

You can see him move to those spots no?

[wanton pendant]

We just have really fast eyes I guess.

[split mortar]

Fair point but cultist doesnt try to telefrag you with vortex portals

[wanton pendant]

That's 'cause he's CRAZY!

But yeah anyway DoG and, I guess Signus maybe have the best shot definitely.

Signus can make portals right?

[split mortar]

CV is a literal portal so might also work????

[split mortar]

Yeah iirc easier then dog can

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but being a portal and using a portal are very different.

So honestly, I think Signus is the best option.

He seems like someone who would telefrag.

In Infernum he loves to do it.

[split mortar]

The guy sets my fps to 3 so i wouldnt know

[wanton pendant]

Obviously with an ability like this Gojo chaps means that being stronger doesn't mean more effective against him. Unless we get to the real stupid stuff like 'Oh yeah Sonic The Hedgehog is just able to move fast enough to cross the distance.'

If we ever begin using Sonic The Hedgehog as a point of reference, we've gone more insane then the old lore.

Very important questions: Are cars real in the Calamity lore. Like, don't Cell Phones exist?

[pliant ruin]

theres cars mount so like

yeah

[wanton pendant]

Good to know.

This means drink driving is canon.

[cosmic zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380070225319301160/1386353814948286494/RDT_20250622_072845471180112550979433.gif

[abstract hollow]

excuse me lore people

but if there is a torch god, is there a torch dragon? (i heard gods come from dragons)

[wanton pendant]

Up for debate.

Personally, I'm a torch god is Xeroc truther.

(Torch god is a deliberately ridiculous Vanilla feature and the Calamity lore doesn't account for it, so I believe it's not something with a hard answer, it could be an actual god of torches, it could be some other thing mistaken for a god, or again it could just be Xeroc trolling you.)

[eager bluff]

im a torch god carbon monoxide poisoning truther

[wanton pendant]

So true.

[hoary cape]

Makes sense especially since all the torches relight after the "event"

[tropic oak]

i think yharim used torch god to get high

[robust osprey]

torch god lore is up to YOU

[tropic oak]

yeah it is up to me

and i say yharim used the torch god to get high

that is my decree as john vcmm

[warm gull]

xeroc is the torch god

boss rush tier 0

[wanton pendant]

"Hold on, I've almost got wifi going down here."
-Mechanic.
As far as I'm aware, this isn't contradicted anymore, this means the internet is canon to Calamity.
Oh god.

[nimble mantle]

Hehehhehe

[distant smelt]

As far as im concerned this makes chippy canon

[wanton pendant]

Why didn't he help fight Yharim?

[abstract hollow]

idk if this even is lore anymore-

[pliant ruin]

SAME

[pliant ruin]

Dragon domains =! God Domains

In fact gods's domains tend to be only adjacent to the drago'ns domains, due to the souls mixing and such

Dragon of Flame got Providence, which is the Goddes of Ash

Dragon of Gluttony gets the God of Slime

Dragon of Storms gets the Goddess of Electricity

etc

[abstract hollow]

god domains= domain= domain expansion= jjk real

[pliant ruin]

kills you with rusty hatchets

[abstract hollow]

D:

[pliant ruin]

sorry that was mean

dosent do that

feeds you a hotdog

[abstract hollow]

😄

i hate this.

i hate this emoji with a passion.

its not as silly as : D

):<

[late veldt]

what kind of relationship do slime god and signus have anyways? I know they're both worshipped by the kinsmen but I wonder if they have any other connections

[pliant ruin]

don't think we have much knowledge on that yet

interesting to think about tho

[spring helm]

fellow twinks

[dusk laurel]

vile sentence

[river python]

hi my beloveds i'm back

[late forge]

do you think the chicken nuggets dropped by yharon have the same draconic essence that makes up yharon himself

[limpid saddle]

hes meat & bones like anyone else

[late forge]

but

dragon chicken nuggets

🥀

[somber wren]

No, chicken nuggets were Just his favorite food stored in his feathers

Which is why even when Yharon drops them, it still says may contain harpy, not dragon.

[wheat walrus]

Wrong melon 😔

It's called infinity but it's more like infinitesimal

You reach 1, 0,1, 0,01, 0,001 but never 0

So you never reach him

[wheat walrus]

World-Cutting Slash is akin to that

But that description is, in a way, redundant

As WCS targets the world, space itself

Gojo's abilities are all forms of spatial manipulation except for his domain expansion (which is an infobomb), so if space is paper, Gojo bends it but WCS cuts through it, making Gojo's infinity useless

[split mortar]

Yeah i know i was tired and trying to not spend too long explaining it

[wheat walrus]

That's because you didn't go to sleep Melon 😔

The fault lies within YOU

[stoic gulch]

[wanton pendant]

Not sure what a domain expansion is, but now that I think about it I heard that ability could be beaten by just poisoning him. Draedon wins again.

[split mortar]

One of the effects of a domain expansion is that the person who made it are guaranteed to always hit iirc

[wanton pendant]

What?

[frosty charm]

Uuuhhh idk how feasible it would be but would he still shift his goal from having you complete the crusades to just killing you if yharon died

[long bloom]

uhh yeah yharon's soul is the only one that teleports to the aerie bc rebirth or something

[long bloom]

almost definitely not

[frosty charm]

Not feasible or he would still want you to complete it

[long bloom]

the latter

[frosty charm]

Ah

[mighty zenith]

only if you absorbed yharon's soul

[frosty charm]

I wonder what would happen if you just ate it

Like put it on a sandwich or something

[long bloom]

stummyache

[frosty charm]

That's not part of the story I'm just curious

I imagine he's still gonna go all out if he fights you though since why wouldn't he

[split mortar]

Uh you probably just get a auric dragon to spawn inside your organs

[long bloom]

that is correct

[frosty charm]

I'm incorporating wotg into the story, with AoE kinda being a looming threat and Yharim being the main and idk if nameless should be xeroc or if they should be above or if I should scrap the idea entirely

Ive barely written anything soo

[meager prism]

uninstalls hunt of the old god continue

[long bloom]

the concept of nameless infuriates me to no end

only slightly exaggerating

[meager prism]

Why

[mighty zenith]

i like nameless

[frosty charm]

I mean that are based on old lore not new no

So like

Yeah they're outdated and don't fit

[mighty zenith]

i dont like people thinking nameless is canon

[split mortar]

Xeroc and nameless do different things

[frosty charm]

Yeah ik

[split mortar]

Nameless rn is seperate from old lore xeroc now iirc

[long bloom]

yuh

[frosty charm]

I'm saying idk if I should change it around or not since I'm writing my own story

[frosty charm]

Oh alr

[meager prism]

Dude im working on something and its so confusing figuring out who the final opponent the terrarian is gonna be

[long bloom]

what would nameless add to the story

[meager prism]

Yknow like

[frosty charm]

It's less nameless more everything else

[mighty zenith]

nameless just doesnt fit cal lore tbh

[split mortar]

Havent played wotg so i cant tell you nameless lore but i do know the guy isnt the god of the sun

[mighty zenith]

it works for wotg's own story

it doesnt work for calamity's story

[frosty charm]

The idea I had is that AoE invades, ends up destroying the aerie so they have to fight AoE in the crumbling aerie

[wanton pendant]

Nameless is the concept of god.

[frosty charm]

(hype moments and aura)

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is some kind of sun god.

[frosty charm]

Nameless is more or less irrelevant

[long bloom]

which is why they're remaking wotg to separate it from cal completely

[meager prism]

“Ok you gotta fight yharim hes behind why the world is so desolate or something”
“Ok BUT Xeroc is the big bad”
“Ok now you fight god”

[mighty zenith]

good for them

[wanton pendant]

And Yharim cares about the crusade over everything else.

[frosty charm]

Rain world but instead of helping five pebbles you shank him to death in the corner of his fan for raining the world

[split mortar]

Yharim is the final boss
Noxus and xeroc are planned superbosses
Xerocs fight will be a spar

[frosty charm]

Byeah I'll probably scrap that line then and just have the aerie crumble some other way

[sinful adder]

It's pretty simple.
The game ends with you fighting yharim. He is behind most of the worlds problems.
You might be able to fight xeroc (the real one, not ND) and noxus (the real one, not from an addon) later

[frosty charm]

What is noxus atm

Like story wise

[long bloom]

distortion entity

[sinful adder]

Distortion creature

The strongest one

[long bloom]

planning something nefarious probably

[sinful adder]

DoG's boss

[mighty zenith]

purposefully enigmatic

[split mortar]

Note that everything im gonna say is heavily implied but not outright stated

The true boss of dog
Creator of ceaseless void

[mighty zenith]

so we dont know almost anything about it because its meant to be a looming threat

[split mortar]

And a threat to the world

[sinful adder]

Btw lore thing: the aerie can't be destroyed. It has some kind of enchantment that makes time not pass for it.

[long bloom]

how did xeroc do it then

[split mortar]

Fucked up xeroc stuff

[long bloom]

true

i am scared of whatever ash is typing

[frosty charm]

Because I have the key scenes laid out

• Leader dies to dog when they go for provi crystal (based on the infernum cutscene, outta nowhere)
• Second person dies to dog, cool self sacrifice moment
• Third person dies to exos or smth (since I want to keep the sparing scal thing I don't think it'd fit to have her kill their friend and immediately move in)
• Fourth person dies to Yharim at the summit of the aerie, leading to a 1v1 with Yharim and the last guy
• After the Yharim fight looming threat begins to eat the aerie or smth idk
  I don't know if they'd continue the crusade or not, maybe have it end with a cliffhanger fight against xeroc but idk

Some stuff may change since I only have the prologue and chap 1 intro written but

I think it's a good enough idea

[meager prism]

Ohhh thats cool. Like id imagine solyn and the terrarian have already planted everything so like the seedling power just seeped through during the yharim fight

[long bloom]

i think noxus would be better for that

[meager prism]

And then itd be like dmc3 where vergil and dante team up to fight the OMEGA asshole

[frosty charm]

I was thinking moreso it's right after Yharim dies so they can't really win it but maybe yeah

[meager prism]

Oh ok

[frosty charm]

Like I said still in the air

I do kinda like that idea but I wouldn't know where to go after

[limpid saddle]

Dunno if I missed something but Xeroc isnt even an antagonist

[meager prism]

Oh

[split mortar]

Yeah xeroc is the guardian of the planet most likely

[meager prism]

Sorry i dont fully understand everything

[limpid saddle]

he incited a few bad events (accidentally) but other than that hes the literal guardian of the planet

[meager prism]

Especially xeroc

Didnt he like

[limpid saddle]

but like spacially

[meager prism]

Get his power via stealing it

[frosty charm]

Like whether or not they just stop fighting each other, agree to a rematch or the last character ends up agreeing to work with Yharim (bad ending, I know that's the point) idk yet

[long bloom]

noxus's plan being to destroy the aerie would actually make sense in regular lore

[limpid saddle]

So looking out for more Moon Lords

[long bloom]

unclear

[split mortar]

Yharim says so but he werent there maybe zeratros gave consent

[limpid saddle]

We dont know if Zeratros gave up his soul willingly or not, but many presume he did

[frosty charm]

Idk how to depict noxus though (I'm not going with the rock)

[meager prism]

Ohhhh

[split mortar]

Its unclear and we wont know

[frosty charm]

But noted

[long bloom]

dog but bigger

[frosty charm]

Idk how to set up noxus beforehand other than just kinda pasting them over AoE? Dunno

[wanton pendant]

Regardless of Xeroc's alignment they're necessary for the safety of the world. And if they wanted to destroy it, they would.

[frosty charm]

Scrapped iban art but evil (black eyes)

[wanton pendant]

Noxus and AoE are quite different.

[frosty charm]

Yeah I don't think xeroc is evil but what they did was

[split mortar]

Either way zeratros was permadead anyways so “stealing” the power was the defacto best thing to do for the worlds entire safety

[frosty charm]

That's my point I don't have any idea how to set them up

[limpid saddle]

The only reason he hasnt dealt with the whole Crusades & Dragon Genocide business was because he was too busy training in the sun

[mighty zenith]

then again, we dont know the circumstances of it

[meager prism]

THE RESPRITE IS ACTUALLY NOXUS CONFIRMED????

[mighty zenith]

yharim claims it's evil because he hates xeroc

[frosty charm]

Without it feeling like a "woah suddenly this guy appeared!" Moment

[frosty charm]

Yeah he is an unreliable narrator

[limpid saddle]

He doesnt seem to intervene in any scenarios on the planet unless they are cataclysmic, like will ruin it forever

[wanton pendant]

Noxus is orchestrating something with DoG, we don't know what.

[split mortar]

Theres no public art of noxus so xzier is prob messing

[long bloom]

do stuff in the distortion

[limpid saddle]

Such as Providence in the 'Embers' short story written by I believe Cei?

[wanton pendant]

And DoG is just a treacherous jerk in general.

[split mortar]

Ye

[meager prism]

Yeah im not being serious too i was just playing along

[split mortar]

A ok

[frosty charm]

Hmm I actually had an idea for this
So the idea I had was, that by sacrificing themself they kinda tear a rift between the distortion and their reality, so maybe I could use that as the setup

I just don't know what's like associated with noxus, I'll have to make shit up I suppose

[wanton pendant]

Oh, also they were saying here earlier that Noxus is closer in function to Signus then devourer or something like that not sure how to best phrase it.

[long bloom]

there's a perfectly good portal right there

[limpid saddle]

Well all the Distortion bosses

[wanton pendant]

DoG was associated for a start.

[limpid saddle]

also true

[split mortar]

Dog
Ceaseless
The hivemind in the distortion
Stormweaver broke free

[wanton pendant]

Storm Weaver also broke free from Noxus at some point and escaped the distortion.

[split mortar]

Signus is the same type of being as noxus iirc

[frosty charm]

I don't know what his lore abilities are so afaik dog is just portals fire and lasers lol

[meager prism]

So an edgelord?

Scary

[limpid saddle]

DoG rips holes in reality

[wanton pendant]

So Noxus isn't absolute in power. (Obviously, they're weaker then Xeroc who isn't absolute in power either.)

[limpid saddle]

Hes basically constantly bouncing between the regular world & the distortion in his fight

[wanton pendant]

DoG can transfer the essence of god's somewhere else.

[split mortar]

Essence he eats likely goes to the distortion or more specifically noxus

[long bloom]

incorrect

stip clarified after

[wanton pendant]

It's not made clear where, but likely it's sent to benefit his true master.

[split mortar]

Oh huh

[wanton pendant]

Not same type, closer in role.

[split mortar]

Gimme proof

[frosty charm]

Yeah I don't really want the ending to be "then my oc beats the super powerful bbeg and wins and happily ever after" but idk how you'd defeat something like that other than sealing it and making it someone else's problem xd

[split mortar]

I wanna see the quote

[long bloom]

buh

[wanton pendant]

Noxus is not a worm.

Or a guy in a cloak.

[limpid saddle]

well the superboss idea is i believe we weaken them enough that Xeroc swoops in before they can escape & kills them?

[frosty charm]

Maybe I'll make the whole "foreshadowing noxus" thing like the pillars on roids

[frosty charm]

Oh maybe yeah

[wanton pendant]

That's what WotG did.

[limpid saddle]

That might be outdated though

[frosty charm]

Could also explain how the aerie is totally destroyed

[limpid saddle]

I remember it being mentioned in the official plans

[frosty charm]

Maybe the end scene can be the mc visiting the ruins of the aerie crumbled on top of the main town

[split mortar]

I werent on about them being biologically related which is what stip refuted

[limpid saddle]

admittedly its all very up in the air

The superbosses are only hypothetical after all

[frosty charm]

And just kinda sitting their with cal or something

[wanton pendant]

Calamity copying WotG have they know shame!

[frosty charm]

Something something oc do not steel

[limpid saddle]

new official xeroc god form design is just nameless deity but they put pre-ascension xerocs head on the flower

[wanton pendant]

Where Noxus is right now is he's written so that they can justify not implementing him in the future if they decide not to, i.e. by just saying if he's evil his plan was stalled/thwarted by killing DoG.

[limpid saddle]

It was yeah, cause he cant collect God Essence anymore

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc is in a similar boat by being functionally unkilleable.

Thus, if you can't fight them, it won't matter.

[limpid saddle]

& given the Evil 2 bosses are post moonlord now those would've been ripe for the harvest

[wanton pendant]

Since one isn't a threat and the other can't be killed.

(There's no reason to believe Xeroc is truly unkilleable, they're just so immensely strong that there's nothing we could possibly do to kill them.)

(Like, Xeroc could tank a nuke to the face strong.)

[frosty charm]

Soo yeah new end scene concept

• Either during or after the Yharim fight, Noxus appears inside the Dragon Aerie and begins to consume it, leading to a fight against MC, Yharim (hard maybe, they'd probably be dead since MC would HATE Yharim) v Noxus. By the end, Xeroc comes by and finally kills Noxus, leaving MC in the center of the crumbling Dragon Aerie.
  The Dragon Aerie ends up collapsing on top of the forest (where the main town is located.) why? Because I like silent construct rain world

[split mortar]

Yeah even if we were as strong as prime moonlord who could singlehandedly threaten the world we would stand almost zero chance against xeroc

[wanton pendant]

This is Devil May Cry 3.

[frosty charm]

Never played that so

I don't doubt it

[wanton pendant]

I never beat it, but I'm pretty sure that does happen.

[limpid saddle]

The closest game i've played to DMC is Project X Zone 2

cause Dante & Virgil are in it

[wanton pendant]

Then they all get Terminad.

[frosty charm]

Never played any of the DMC games, my knowledge of it goes as far as the corny Jetstream Sam/bury the light edits of softcore

[wanton pendant]

It's quite deeper then that.

And Jetstream Sam is from Metal Gear.

[frosty charm]

Yeah I know

It's the genre of meme ive played mgr

[wanton pendant]

Metal Gear Rising is in the same genre just quite toned down.

The Ripper Gauge are just their adaption of the Devil Trigger.

Which Calamity then adapted as Adrenaline and Rage.

[meager prism]

The thing is with mgr and dmc edit songs is that theyre Genuinely Awesome but the edits themselves are corny 😭 😭

[wanton pendant]

So I say we should call them triggers not rippers.

[frosty charm]

Yeah

[meager prism]

Sexual thing = baaaaaad
Jetstream Sam = goooooood

[wanton pendant]

That's why they didn't use Vergil.

He doesn't take after his name sake in that regard.

[frosty charm]

The epilogue scene could be Calamitas visiting the nearly dead MC and just talking with them for a while, either mercy killing them (they'd be in a position too bad to feasibly recover) or sitting with them for a while amidst the blizzard

[wanton pendant]

You'd think she'd know healing magic.

[frosty charm]

Super evil magic wounds or something idk

[wanton pendant]

She has super magic.

[meager prism]

Lmao just swap to a regen build

[frosty charm]

Super duper evil magic wounds

[meager prism]

Draedons heart? Hmmmm?

[wanton pendant]

Swap to spectre.

Call Draedon.

He probably has something for that.

[meager prism]

Ok but im super duper duper ultra nice and i teleport into the story and save them

[frosty charm]

Anyways maybe I'll leave it vague but I do think that's a good enough ending since by that time the mc would have lost literally everything

[wanton pendant]

Super Glue.

[frosty charm]

All of their friends died, the city they cared about died, the dragon aerie (call them Mary Sue but I wanted to make them partially dragon) has collapsed so

[wanton pendant]

Also, I feel like Calamitas wouldn't want to mercy kill someone after spending years killing innocent people and good people.

Don't think she'd be too keen on doing it again.

[frosty charm]

That's fair, I'll probably just end it on her sitting next to them for a little bit

Idk I'm taking a lot of inspo from media I like

[wanton pendant]

That's how all writing works man.

[frosty charm]

Perhaps too much

[wanton pendant]

Wait until you learn about Super Mario.

[frosty charm]

😨

[meager prism]

In my project I literally have a scene planned out where the Terrarian has a RULES OF A NATURE!!! scene against the desert scourge

Like

Music and everything

So ur good

[wanton pendant]

(Donkey Kong, the game, is just the archetypes of Popeye the sailor man. Mario's Popeye, Donkey Kong is Bluto and Pauline is Olive Oyl.)

Parries a giant freaking thing.

Then gets sniped by desert nuisance.

And I'm here trying to figure out what a Twinkler would taste like.

[frosty charm]

I am set on the main city being destroyed and the aerie falling ontop though since the idea I have is that the story is kind of the end of an era for the characters

[wanton pendant]

Terminad.

[meager prism]

Like the ds goes for a tail whack, gets parried, goes for a bite, gets OMEGA parried. Then, with the sandstorm in a bottle jump (which the terrarian found in a pyramid mere minutes before), cuts down the ds in the air

[wanton pendant]

Then a bald guy kills the president and he gets his arm cut off by a Brazilian (Calamitas Clone, obviously.)

[meager prism]

Oh yeah im also planning to have the last part of the scal fight be a sword fight with the toikfr as the bgm

Bc yadda yadda calamitas used too much magic or something

[wanton pendant]

If we're being honest, the video game song that best fits Calamitas is I am... all of me.

[meager prism]

Not a sonic guy pls explain

[wanton pendant]

I am... all of me is the main theme of Shadow The Hedgehog (2005), in which the titular character has to make choices as to wether they wish to be a hero, a villain, or something in between. The canonical result is him choosing to be a hero. Also Calamitas is a lot like Shadow The Hedgehog in a bunch of ways.

It's also about choosing an identity for himself.

Not what others want him to be.

[meager prism]

The reason I chose the only thing i know for real is bc i think of it as like calamitas reflecting on her past during the fight

[wanton pendant]

I'd argue that Yharim is more fitting for The Only Thing I Know For Real.

[meager prism]

Yeah im conflicted on that

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas, if we had to choose a MGR song would better fit I'm My Own Master Now.

[meager prism]

Since theres the whole

Originally noble now corrupted and like wanting death (kinda??)

[meager prism]

Thats

Kinda awesome

[wanton pendant]

Since, if we compare to MGR, Calamitas is most like Blade Wolf.

The Only Thing I Know For Real is about Jetsteam Sam, a man who abandoned his morals for the pursuit of battle.

Yharim does something quite similar.

Also, the man in the mirror nods his head.

Shoe-in parallel to the Terrarian.

[frosty charm]

Maybe the idea I'll go with for noxus is kinda like the opposite of Xeroc; a prism that captures light and, after coming to the aerie and absorbing the light, kinda takes on a mimicry of the form of the light dragon

[wanton pendant]

That was in Pokémon.

[frosty charm]

Yup

🤑

[wanton pendant]

Ultra Necrozma my beloved.

[frosty charm]

I wanna be more eldritch/unknown with it though, so it's a much more obviously twisted form than zeratos or any of the dragons

However idk how to do that , but that's for the end so I'll get there when I get there

[cerulean swan]

A snake?

[wanton pendant]

I mean, if you're going the Pokémon route Ultra Necrozma is a bunch of Dragon Pieces held together by hard light.

So you could like, make him a skeleton bound by light.

With like, I don't know, the bones are the true form or something.

Rearranged into a facimile of a dragon.

(Which is kinda reverse Necrozma, since its regular form is rearranged since it can't maintain its true appearance.)

[wanton pendant]

Noxus isn't a snake, or just a guy.

It's something else.

[cerulean swan]

I know

[wanton pendant]

That's the extent of what we know appearance wise.

[cerulean swan]

Entropy thing?

[wanton pendant]

(Well, as just a guy Signus can be anyway.)

[split mortar]

Its not a god either so nope

[wanton pendant]

Clearly he's a bigger Hivemind.

Hivemind rematch confirmed.

[cerulean swan]

Hivemind of what ......exactly?

[wanton pendant]

Distortion has a hivemind.

Of things.

And stuff.

We haven't seen them.

[split mortar]

The distortion has a hiveind and noxus is almost certainly the cause of it

[cerulean swan]

Oh

[wanton pendant]

Or his secret brother, Boxus.

[cerulean swan]

Lol

[split mortar]

Throwing you into a box

[wanton pendant]

Yeah that's his power, boxes.

And boxing.

[cerulean swan]

~~Gonna become a box assassin to kill it ~~

[wanton pendant]

Anything box related really.

Don't mess with him on boxing day.

[split mortar]

Dragon of minecraft

[wanton pendant]

Miku Hatsune?

[split mortar]

Halving your teeth saying the name like that is horrid

[cerulean swan]

Why miku?

[wanton pendant]

That's how it is? Her first name's Miku.

It's written in reverse in Japan because that's how they write names.

[split mortar]

Throwing you into molten auric

[wanton pendant]

Just like Sonic 3.

[cerulean swan]

No I mean suddenly mentioning her,no offense

[wanton pendant]

Miku Hatsune made Minecraft, duh.

[split mortar]

Never heard that joke before

[wanton pendant]

Old.

[wanton pendant]

I'm not Henry.

[cerulean swan]

So Tommyinnt made terraria?

[wanton pendant]

No, no, he made Calamity mod.

[split mortar]

Ozzatron made calamity 2

[cerulean swan]

Walter white made wrath of gods

[wanton pendant]

This was a big joke back in the day.

[cerulean swan]

[wanton pendant]

(Also, I don't think you fully understand the cultural context of the joke.)

[cerulean swan]

Yeah

[split mortar]

I was 11 back then

[wanton pendant]

Ha, child.

[wanton pendant]

What does Mr. Beast have to do with the lore?

[kind edge]

guys

who is yharim

cuz idk💔

[wanton pendant]

The antagonist.

Come on man.

He talks to you throughout the game.

[split mortar]

The guy who talks in the lore items
Trying to manipulate the player into thinking what he did was good and to continue the crusade
And yeah the antagonist of the story

[wanton pendant]

Imagine Ghetsis but less evil.

[kind edge]

the guy from boss rush?

intro thing guy?

[random mulch]

the boss rush guy is xeroc

[split mortar]

Thats xeroc not yharim

Yeah

[random mulch]

yharim is the main villain of the story and is intended to eventually be added as the final boss

[kind edge]

ok

WAIT NO

[wanton pendant]

Boss Rush is a different guy, mortal enemies.

[kind edge]

I DONT WANT ANOTHER BOSS

[split mortar]

Yharim is possibly the only boss they may add

[balmy glacier]

he is the last one to be ever added

[wanton pendant]

Until you reach the Super Bosses! :)

[balmy glacier]

unless devs decide to add 2 more superbosses

[kind edge]

god no

wait

[wanton pendant]

God yes.

[balmy glacier]

which is very unlikely to happen

[kind edge]

is wotg bosses superbosses?

[wanton pendant]

I guess?

[split mortar]

The devs also want to add a lot more non boss content so the mod is less pain

[wanton pendant]

Not that it matters.

[balmy glacier]

sort of

[split mortar]

Maybe? Idk
The addons not canon anyway

[random mulch]

would be kinda weird to build up a final antagonist and then just never fight him

[balmy glacier]

true

[split mortar]

Especially to post ml where thats lacking

[gritty kraken]

new Silva is cool

[split mortar]

Post ascension silva cool ye

[wanton pendant]

Why is she peeled.

[balmy glacier]

what?

[wanton pendant]

If DoG ate Silva would it kill her?

Like, she's hard to kill as she's the nature elemental.

Does she just, like, reform somewhere else?

[random mulch]

would post yharim's most recent design but dia mentioned the devs workshopping a new design a couple months ago

[wanton pendant]

It is Wolverine rules or that one guy from Dragonlance rules?

[split mortar]

No she would prob just be stranded in distortion

[wanton pendant]

Fair enough.

What if you tossed her into the sun.

[split mortar]

Still immortal just stuck there

[split mortar]

She would live

[gritty kraken]

DoG when Jared turn him into pink puddle

[random mulch]

#calamity-update-talk message
(message btw)

though it is going to be more similar to the original design

[wanton pendant]

Is he getting the talons back?

[mighty zenith]

probably not

[random mulch]

as if i know

[mighty zenith]

the talons are a remnant of him being a lihzahrd arent they

[wanton pendant]

He was a Lihzahrd!? I don't remember that.

And now he's racist to them...

[mighty zenith]

like. years ago

in old old lore

[wanton pendant]

Older then old lore?

[mighty zenith]

an older iteration of it

[random mulch]

kinda hope that they make the armor a bit less mechanical

not taking the tech away from the armor, but just making it a bit more similar to knight armor or smth

[mighty zenith]

make him look less like a robot

[split mortar]

I hope yharim stays buff as fuck

[random mulch]

generally i really like his second (or third i guess) design but it really did make him look way too mechanical

[wanton pendant]

They should have it so that the spirits of his genocides attacked him and then he gets in his armour but the exo-upgrade malfunctions and he gets trapped in the suit and one with the suit.

[random mulch]

yhartrap

if yharim ever gets any merch i will buy it immediately

i want my own lil war criminal

[wanton pendant]

I already got both war criminals.

One is war criminal (tragic) the other is war criminal (hilarious).

[random mulch]

i do hope they keep the blue lights as only a small part of the design

[wanton pendant]

But it's important for when he uses his Blue attack.

His iconic, signature Blue attack.

[vague jacinth]

is Silva roughly the same size as anahita and brimstone elemental?

since she is also an elemental

[wanton pendant]

Brimstone is quite a bit bigger then Anahita.

And the elementals do vary in size.

Like, the Chaos Elemental is like, the size of a guy.

[real silo]

Is this true

[vague jacinth]

chaos elemental got removed

[wanton pendant]

But nobody cares about them except for their drop.

[vague jacinth]

also I said roughly the same size

like in that size range

[wanton pendant]

What do you mean Chaos Elemental got removed?

[random mulch]

cosmic elemental got removed, not chaos elemental

[crisp umbra]

now that i think about it DoG technically doesnt devour gods

[vague jacinth]

oh yeah I'm stupid

[wanton pendant]

He does.

It's his whole shtick.

[crisp umbra]

who did he eat?

[wanton pendant]

A bunch of 'em.

[crisp umbra]

do u have a single example?

[wanton pendant]

They don't have an obituary.

[crisp umbra]

oh

okay

[vague jacinth]

since providence doesn't leave a bunch of corrupted shit after she dies when it's implied that gods do that when killed, I think it's safe to say DoG ate her remains after you defeat her

[wanton pendant]

Uh, she does.

[random mulch]

considering the fact that yharim says "His imposing title was self-granted, but undeniable truth made it stick.", DoG probably did devour at least a couple gods

[vague jacinth]

I don't mean uelibloom

[wanton pendant]

And it's not implied, it's shown that they do, but it depends on the gods temprement.

And Providence is only ONE goddess.

Not enough to create a whole corruption or anything.

[hoary cape]

I mean wouldn't armor enhanced by exo tech look more mechanical than a regular suit of armor?

[wanton pendant]

Since the evil and Hallow biomes are literal hundreds of gods.

[hoary cape]

It's not an exo suit anymore, but it's still enhanced

[random mulch]

the armor is indeed enhanced but that says nothing about things like how the external auric plating looks

[wanton pendant]

Killing Slime God doesn't devestate the environment because again, it's only one god.

[vague jacinth]

bro how many dragons were there by the time the moon lord was defeated Yharim makes it seem like there's just like a handful left

[wanton pendant]

A little bit of god remains can stain the earth as a treat.

[wanton pendant]

What?

[hoary cape]

Honestly take most of what yharim says with a grain of salt

[random mulch]

actually take it with a lot of salt

[hoary cape]

The bias is strong with that one

[wanton pendant]

I've no idea what you're asking.

[vague jacinth]

fair

I already know he's talking out of his ass with the cryogen and calclone lore entries

[wanton pendant]

Huh? Clone I get but what about Cryogen?

[hoary cape]

Well I don't think he knows permafrost is in there

[random mulch]

conveniently doesn't mention he was the one who wanted calamitas to kill permafrost

[hoary cape]

Because he ordered his death afterall

[vague jacinth]

yeah this

[hoary cape]

Ah yah that

[wanton pendant]

I mean he does explicitly express suprise he's alive.

And that's lying by omission, you're implying he's making stuff up.

[hoary cape]

Wouldn't you be surprised if you ordered someone to kill someone and they didn't

[wanton pendant]

Yes? I said that?

[hoary cape]

Yes

Fovos killed at least one dragon

Probably a few others

[wanton pendant]

Second most powerful guy in the lore. Kill count: Probably more then one.

[hoary cape]

Nuh uh I was there

[wanton pendant]

Most powerful guy in lore. Kill count: Definitely at least one.

Third most powerful guy in lore. Kill count: Uh...?

[hoary cape]

0

Noxus hasn't killed anyone

He gets others to do that

[wanton pendant]

What about his long lost brother, Doxus, leaker of IPs.

[split mortar]

4th most powerful guy in lore kill count: over a billion

[magic epoch]

I'm the 4th most powerful guy in lore?

[hoary cape]

Yharim when he sees the kill counts of those above him: got to get your numbers up

[wanton pendant]

Fifth most powerful guy in lore. Kill count: Like a lot man.

[vague jacinth]

kinda forgot he existed ngl

[wanton pendant]

Sixth most powerful guy in lore. Kill count: At least one attempted kill.

[hoary cape]

Exo mechs kill count

[wanton pendant]

Depends on your skill level.

[hoary cape]

0 unless you suck in combat

[magic epoch]

According to my attempts like 7

[vague jacinth]

what if you die to them a bunch and then never play calamity again?

[wanton pendant]

Seventh most powerful guy in lore. Kill count: Probably a lot.

[vague jacinth]

or die on a hardcore character

[hoary cape]

Rage quitter

[wanton pendant]

Bad ending: Yharim has a heart attack three weeks later.

[magic epoch]

They still killed you a bunch

[wanton pendant]

Also canonically you are in hardcore.

[magic epoch]

How is this bad

[wanton pendant]

He didn't get one final battle.

[magic epoch]

smells like a good ending to me

[hoary cape]

Hardcore revengeance mode is canon

[wanton pendant]

Which is the real tragedy.

And also a power vacuum is created.

[magic epoch]

WTF MISSPELLING!?

[wanton pendant]

Now Draedon is god king, somehow.

[vague jacinth]

I wonder what Yharim was thinking when he Draedon make two skeletron prime heads

[wanton pendant]

Not canon.

But if it was he was probably going 'Hell yeah'.

[vague jacinth]

btw where is it stated that the moon lord's name is fovos?

[wanton pendant]

Nowhere except from the devs.

:) They'll put it in eventually.

[magic epoch]

Afaik they're like the same thing

[wanton pendant]

Hopefully.

[magic epoch]

That being not the actual name

[wanton pendant]

Or not, just to torment us.

[magic epoch]

but a name given to it from different people/times

[random mulch]

new yharim design leaked

[wanton pendant]

Where's the googly eyes?

[split mortar]

Yeah the name chrysadia has for moonlord

[wanton pendant]

And why does he have Ray Man arms.

[split mortar]

Dev statements mainly iirc

[magic epoch]

what?

[wanton pendant]

You know who Ray Man is?

[magic epoch]

rayman yes i do know but like wdym

[wanton pendant]

He doesn't have arms, and you can barely see what I think is meant to be his arms.

Also it's in the Ray Man art style.

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I said that you can barely see it.

Found the Undertale fan.

[magic epoch]

if you look for 3 seconds,

it doesn't matter that you can barely see it (you can) it still exists

!!

[wanton pendant]

This is just like yesterday.

[slender snow]

fraudseeker yharim

[magic epoch]

i'm gayseeker amethyst

[random mulch]

all of the lore relevance and none of the screentime

[random mulch]

you'll get to fight him.... eventually

[slender snow]

too busy writing lore items

[wanton pendant]

'The Terrarian can beat King Slime, huh? I better stay in the Dragon's Aerie or I'm FINISHED!'

[slender snow]

if and when but never is

[wanton pendant]

0 on screen fights. 0 dragons resurrected. 1 child groomed.

[split mortar]

Yharim is coming to beat your ass irl

[split mortar]

😭

[random mulch]

at least his fanmade themes slap

[wanton pendant]

This is why Ghetsis beats him. Multiple on screen fights, resurrected a dragon, and groomed 3 kids, not like Fraudim.

[split mortar]

What is ghetsis killcount

[magic epoch]

ghetsis is peak pokemon villain

[slender snow]

live up to your name and slay providence yourself? ❌

[wanton pendant]

Which continuity?

[split mortar]

She is a good propaganda machine

[magic epoch]

the manga is always awful how about that

[wanton pendant]

I believe he does in fact have a kill streak in the manga.

[random mulch]

providence is the most evil god so if she's alive yharim can point at her and go "see? all gods are evil!"

[split mortar]

Is it in the hundreds of millions

[magic epoch]

who doesnt

[wanton pendant]

He was gonna subjugate the world.

And he abuses animals.

[split mortar]

The devious amount if dead wildlife thanks to yhari

[wanton pendant]

And again, he's got triple Yharim's child abuse numbers.

Ghetsis beats his pets for the tactical advantage.

[split mortar]

Ok but calamitas solos those children

[magic epoch]

number

[wanton pendant]

Hey, N is like 20 by B2W2.

[random mulch]

ok but yharim is racist

[split mortar]

Calamitas is 27-28 a d knows how to throw a punch

[wanton pendant]

Ghetisis is definitely racist.

N has like, a dragon.

[split mortar]

And calamitas has like
A nuke

[wanton pendant]

Oh, also, Ghetsis gave N the worst name imaginable, he solos in the child abuse.

N's canonical full name is Natural Harmonia Gropius.

[split mortar]

😭????

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is a better name then that.

[magic epoch]

was about to say calamitas isn't her name but

[wanton pendant]

It is important to note, that Harmonia Gropius is Ghetsis' last name too.

[magic epoch]

probably same logic; given name

[real silo]

Mf named him after his sex abuse

[wanton pendant]

Who names their kid 'Natural'.

[real silo]

Gropius is diabolical

[wanton pendant]

That's just Ghetsis' last name.

[magic epoch]

that's just an awful last name

[real silo]

Crazy

[wanton pendant]

Like, Harmonia Gropius is literally Ghetsis' name.

[icy veldt]

I wonder what his ancestors did during the Middle Ages

[magic epoch]

Harmonia? kinda fire

[wanton pendant]

I don't wanna know.

[magic epoch]

Gropius?

[real silo]

Tf pokemon even about

[wanton pendant]

Pokémon writers aren't famed for being subtle.

Ok, so, Ghetsis basically runs PETA.

But they're somehow worse.

So he grooms a kid to become the chosen hero of the USA.

And two others, to be his sisters.

So he can get a powerful dragon and rule the world with N as his puppet.

Then the power of friendship happens and he's beaten with Truth/Ideals.

Then B2W2 happens and I haven't beaten them yet.

Oh, and in another timeline he ends up in Hawaii and threatens to murder an 11 year old.

I don't see Yharim abusing kids in multiple time lines.

He needs to get his numbers up.

Oh, just remembered, in the mobile game, Ghetsis tries to groom you, the player.

[random mulch]

he has torched plenty of kids alive so that's gotta count for something

[magic epoch]

so does yharim

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but he does it for the crusade, Ghetsis does it for the love of the game.

At least the Terrarian is an adult.

Otherwise how would they drink alcohol!

[robust osprey]

are they

[wanton pendant]

It's illegal for kids to drink!

[icy veldt]

Is there really that big of a difference between "for the crusade" and "for the love of the game"

[wanton pendant]

Are you going to say Barkeep would give alcohol to a minor?

Yeah, I'd say so.

[robust osprey]

fake age

[split mortar]

The image…

[split mortar]

Counterpoint its like the 1800s those laws dont exist

[wanton pendant]

Look man, I don't think underage drinking is a fundamental part of the lore.

And it's using its own dating system.

Not that kind of dating system before you say anything.

[icy veldt]

Also there's no one left with the power to enforce laws

[wanton pendant]

Unless we're bringing back Jesus to the equation.

[split mortar]

Except us

[icy veldt]

Pretty much

[split mortar]

Not again

[magic epoch]

In calamity lore, I can canonically kiss my wife

[icy veldt]

Law 1: Thou shalt kill
Law 2: No new laws

[real silo]

Yes

Yharim has to convince himself that it's for the crusade

For the love of the game means he just does it because he wants to

[wanton pendant]

Ghetsis did not need to groom Anthea and Concordia in any part of his plan.

This is what the lore channel was made for, Child Abuse Scaling.

[icy veldt]

Fair point. Lies and empty platitudes aren't a very nice casus belli, but they're something

[split mortar]

Throw people into a blender

[robust osprey]

the other man in yellow solos

the purple one

[wanton pendant]

DC has the most powerful child abuser.

[robust osprey]

true....

[icy veldt]

Direct current

[wanton pendant]

Wrong DC.

[icy veldt]

(Jk)

[random mulch]

did you know that DC stands for Detective Comics

[wanton pendant]

Electrical sockets I feel are low tier for child abuse.

[random mulch]

so DC comics means detective comics comics

[wanton pendant]

Detective DC Comics.

[icy veldt]

They also use alternating current, not direct current

[wanton pendant]

So they only get half a point.

So direct current is bottom tier.

Needs help to shock a child.

Someone's going to come into this channel later and think we're all insane.

[random mulch]

yharim should sometimes show up at the edge of your screen for a couple frames and then dissapear, i think this would add a lot to the gameplay

[wanton pendant]

Found the Undertale fan.

[random mulch]

wha

[wanton pendant]

That happens in Undertale.

[random mulch]

oh right i forgor that happened

[robust osprey]

both are yellow

[slender snow]

is this true

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas is scared of him (he emotionally manipulated her), Providence is a coward, DoG is his employee I guess? and Xeroc would kill him.

[random mulch]

un-shitpost but he is waiting in the aerie for someone to come and challenge him so he isn't really going around looking for fights

[real silo]

Fraud ass grandpa can't even show up to people's porches to throw hands

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas doesn't have a porch (broke + homeless) thus he can't do that.

[random mulch]

and neither do xeroc, providence and DoG

yharim is porch-versal

[wanton pendant]

Thus, can't show up at their porch.

He must wait at Zeratros' porch, where they buried him.

He loved that porch.

[pliant ruin]

He has no reason to fight scal or devourer
He'd absolutely kill providence if he could but she's a slippery bastard that teleports around and shit
Xeroc though yeah hed just lose

like really badly

like if yharim fought xeroc hes just cooked

[split mortar]

The only two gods there being xeroc and providence and xeroc would fold his ass like a blad of grass

[wanton pendant]

I mean he has a reason to fight Calamitas, but he can't be bothered.

[pliant ruin]

like i hate yharim and all but i will given him this

potential man or fraud memes dont work on him

he DOES actually live up to what hes said to be

😭

[random mulch]

yharim's my favorite asshole

[wanton pendant]

Give him children or he retires.

[pliant ruin]

true!

[split mortar]

True

Fun guy to hate

[random mulch]

real

[pliant ruin]

horrible person but fantastic character

genuinely peak writing on his characterization, its probably currently the best stuff in calamity writing

[wanton pendant]

Why doesn't he use his table smash power anymore? It was his best ability.

[pliant ruin]

hes so deeply horrible yet also manages to be a nuanced character that is an actual Person and not just a malicious malevolent force of evil

[random mulch]

which is good because if you need to nail any character, it's the main antagonist

[pliant ruin]

and thats what makes him honestly even worse

[slender snow]

doesn't he dislike dog

[wanton pendant]

Who doesn't.

[pliant ruin]

he thinks he sucks but he has no reason to fight him

[wanton pendant]

That guy's a jerk.

[split mortar]

DoG still works for him technically

[pliant ruin]

truth nuke

nobody likes DoG... dude for all i know noxus probably dosen't even like him either or something 😭

[wanton pendant]

Biggest standout issues with the current lore is that DoG and Yharon just don't do anything.

[split mortar]

Like yeah dog sucks but he can also just not listen to the “deception” and still have the benefit of someone as fucking strong as DoG

[wanton pendant]

DoG is an easy way to blame his problems on someone else.

[slender snow]

they're working buddies sure but he admits to DoG manipulating him

and stuff

[pliant ruin]

I wouldn't say they don't do anything but

[split mortar]

Lores unfinished so i give it leeway on that

[wanton pendant]

'The serpent made me do it.'

[pliant ruin]

Yharon and DoG definitely lack presence

[wanton pendant]

I know it's unfinished, that's why I said current.

Come on guys reading comprehension.

[robust osprey]

DoG is just better WoF

[wanton pendant]

He stops an assassin and thats it.

[split mortar]

Yeah just ignore dog when it comes to the manipulation

[wanton pendant]

Yharon saves Yharim and is then a figurehead.

[split mortar]

“Theres a god over there go eat it” and then the direction is now eated

[wanton pendant]

Like, we don't learn of any fights they participated or general things they did.

Like, DoG is just a garbage disposal.

Doesn't have much else at the moment.

[robust osprey]

yharon probably fought moonlord (duh)

and thats about it me thinks

[slender snow]

no

the dragons did

[pliant ruin]

Also going back to what i said the other day i don't think Yharim is like willingly shifting the blame
I think it's more of situation where DoG likely coerced Yharim into denying many of his responsibilities during the crusade (Such as keeping in touch and supporting the Dragon Cult, managing his cities, etc.) for the sake of fully dedicating himself to the Kill Gods thing
And in Yharim's eyes, this was malicious manipulation that made him fall off. And of course he mentions this as when he truly fell or whatever because to him it is, as this is, to him, when we as at his worst
But as ive established the other day Yharim is genuinely delusional and dosen't realize he had fell off from day 1 !

[pliant ruin]

oh gee i wonder . what yharon is

[split mortar]

Yharon who is a dragon…

[robust osprey]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

He was second strongest dragon. And uh, he saved Yharim...

[icy veldt]

He claims that DoG manipulated him, as an excuse for his actions during the second half of his crusade

[slender snow]

ohhhh

[robust osprey]

[slender snow]

i got them confused

but he was

🥚

??

[robust osprey]

no he was very alive

[slender snow]

ohhhhhhh

[split mortar]

Yharon was alive back then

[pliant ruin]

Anyways this is why i disagree with the notion Yharim "shifted the blame" on DoG, i think he kind of does it but unintentionally and its more so just him being delulu as always

[split mortar]

Moonlord may have actually killed yharon

[wanton pendant]

I mean, Yharim says that the moment he considered recruiting DoG as the start of his downfall, like, not even hiring him, just considering.

He definitely sees him as an easy scapegoat.

Like, I imagine DoG was at times a yesman, just encouraging his already horrible behaviour.

[pliant ruin]

Because in order for him to "shift the blame" he'd have to acnowledge the blame to begin with, which he dosen't
Point is i think it is kind of a scapegoat but not a fully intentional one

[split mortar]

He believes the blame is on dog

[pliant ruin]

I think Yharim does genuinely believe

DoG manipulated him and made him fall off, WHICH

[wanton pendant]

Isn't true, he's delusional.

He was always bad.

It's just that DoG marked the point where he was desperate.

[pliant ruin]

i don't think is entirely wrong because i do think DoG made him worse by denying his responsibilities and all
But problem is that he was always fucking horrible so DoG didn't really do allat much lmao

[wanton pendant]

And since he was desperate he was already willing to do more extreme things.

[pliant ruin]

yeah DoG just made him go from Horrible to Desperate And Horrible

[wanton pendant]

Well, more extreme then what he was already doing.

[slender snow]

DoG made yharim lie on his tax return

it's true

[wanton pendant]

Who does he pay tax too?

He's in charge.

[slender snow]

tax collectyor

[pliant ruin]

xero

[split mortar]

Yharim is the one who gets taxes

[pliant ruin]

gets shot

[split mortar]

That guy is pro yharim he aint taxing him

[split mortar]

TRUE!

[wanton pendant]

My question is what on earth did Yharim's government look like.

Like, he had an empire. (Unnamed.)

[slender snow]

DoG got yharim hooked on stimulants

and thats why ingame we had

yharimulants

[pliant ruin]

Alot of independent conquered cities i imagine

Which

you could argue to be a empire

[slender snow]

he later quit cold turkey and thats why they got removed

[wanton pendant]

He had a court, a public, bureaucrats.

[pliant ruin]

I imagine living under Yharim was like

[cloud ibex]

deserved

[pliant ruin]

As long as you support him, great!

You get to live a relatively comfortable life

[wanton pendant]

If you're religious...

Do you think he had conscription?

Yharim totally had the State Atheism law enacted.

[pliant ruin]

But also the cities he lives on would likely be under some degree of surveillance (Varying depending on the city i imagine) and people would have to constantly make sure to not show things that might make the Yharmy go 🤨 at which point you might be interrogated, emprisoned or worse depending of how severe your treason was in their eyes

So essentially authoritarian dictatorship

[wanton pendant]

Draedon's watching.

[icy veldt]

So much for "freedom" and "justice"

[pliant ruin]

You support the dictator and his ideals, great! You get to honestly live a really comfortable live without much worry because the actual quality of life is honestly pretty high. After all, to get people on your side you need to be on their good side too, so.

But if you don't?

Constant fear and paranoia and risk of Hell Torture

[wanton pendant]

Yharim it's nearly the 20th century and you still have racial segregation enacted you're not modernising right.

[pliant ruin]

And of course

Lower quality of life as a whole

[icy veldt]

I wonder how many of Yharim's slaves "citizens" turned to worshipping evil gods like Providence just out of despair

[wanton pendant]

He didn't have slaves.

(I mean, Calamitas was the closest he had, emotionally manipulated teenager.)