lore-discussion

[wanton pendant]

In Terraria they do.

Last I checked.

Damn Permafraud learned potion making from the Minecraft wiki, rookie move.

Ah, I figured it out, that's when Yharim's racist tweets resurfaced. Such horrible things to say about the Lihazhard.

[pliant ruin]

Pretty sure it's confirmed that Cal left before she was an adult still but take that with a grain of salt

[wanton pendant]

But that wouldn't line up with the 'nearly decade' claim, as that would require her to leave before turning 18. Which would mean she served less then five years at most, which is less then half a decade.

So is the claim outdated?

[split mortar]

Maybe the writers just hadnt thought out the timeline by the time if writing that
-# ultimately its prob just best to ask a writer for more concrete info

[wanton pendant]

Or the alternative, a decade in the Calamity world is only five years.

And she serves for like, four.

[pliant ruin]

I mean i'm pretty sure she joined when she was like 11 so

Maybe not that exact age i mean but around that

[tropic oak]

do we know if it was pre-draedon removal or post

that would help quite an amount in estimating

[split mortar]

Draedon left after scal left iirc

[wanton pendant]

This would further imply the the most of a decade part is wrong, I believe the same entry said she got her abilities as a teenager. I'll check in a minute.

[tropic oak]

so pre-draedon would be sometime pre-1875

or wait

i read that wrong

no i didnt i lied

there’s like 100 years to go through to find out when she left

[wanton pendant]

Like, if we go that she left before being an adult (so say 17 at most), considering the general ballpark for her present age I see is around 28, that would mean her time on the run wouldn't be 5-6 years as I estimated, but over 10.

[cosmic zenith]

That would be silly

Calamitas did not serve for nearly a decade

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, found it, her boss bestiary states "After inheriting nigh limitless magical power as a mere teenager, she was recruited into Yharim's army, where she served for nearly a decade."

I take it this is outdated?

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, this is incorrect
I'll let the other writers know

[wanton pendant]

Well, that's one mystery solved.

Now to figure out every other mystery we've thrown at each other.

[split mortar]

Cant believe whats ingame isnt canon 💔

[cosmic zenith]

I think someone slipped up
Thank you for pointing it out

[wanton pendant]

Zoologist is just making stuff up.

Anti-Yharim propaganda.

This explains why dates weren't lining up when I tried to calculate them earlier.

[split mortar]

Yeah

The dates were wrong

Anyways pisscord is breaking down or something idk whats happening and its near 2am goodnight lorers

[wanton pendant]

Yo it is nearly two am.

But I'm no loser, it seems you snozzed, and you lost.

[split mortar]

I will place a brick on your head

[wanton pendant]

But basically when I tried to use Draedon's dates and how long he served I got a number that made no sense with the assumption she left at around 22, if he were to leave first.

Ok, so Draedon is supposed to have been cut off around 1875, so Calamitas and Permafrost left a little bit before then.

[tropic oak]

a great many

[wanton pendant]

Sources: "While the Crusade is widely considered to have begun on the date of 6.19.1781 with Yharon's rebirth, I took no part in it until 4.23.1803." "I would be presented with many other opportunities throughout the next seventy-two years:"

[tropic oak]

ya they left pre-1875

perma sooner than cal so we gotta go a mild amount further backward

i would assume (given the poor girl was already mentally exhausted) probably 1-6 months time after perma

[wanton pendant]

But she was sent after him, so it probably wasn't that big of a gap. There was enough time for Draedon to get orders to recreate Calamitas' power and develop the plague.

Then like, a decade of living in caves.

[tropic oak]

i was about to iterate that it was more than likely sooner than a month

“go kill ya father” yeah alright man

[wanton pendant]

Like, it probably wouldn't have been too hard to find him, he was probably in the Tundra he created, it'd be the first place I'd check.

So, the good news is, less war crimes were commited by her. The bad news, we've double the time she spent at her absolute worst standard of living.

We've traded psychological trauma for physical trauma.

[split mortar]

Permafrost didnt make the tundra

[wanton pendant]

He enchanced it, I meant.

[tropic oak]

he did amplify it

silly old man

[wanton pendant]

Like, it existed prior, but he made it bigger, and more metal.

Also it's two am why are you up.

[split mortar]

Big difference between making the cold a bit more potent and
Making the damn place

[tropic oak]

its 9 pm brotha

[split mortar]

2 am

[wanton pendant]

Time zones, Johnathan.

[tropic oak]

maybe you should have said that to yourself when you wondered why im up at 2 am your time

[split mortar]

I have no excuse i just shouldnt be

[wanton pendant]

Aye, fair enough.

[spring helm]

Gasp

Incorrect lore in-game????

What the fuck

I cannot trust anything

[wanton pendant]

Execution.

[scenic olive]

What if Yharim became a vampire and doesnt age

[spring helm]

Y’all think people in-universe made fanfics about Yharim

[obsidian dagger]

whos the guy that speaks during the boss rush??

is it yharim by any chance

[cold owl]

Xeroc's the one who talks in boss rush. Yharim's the one who talks in the lore items.

[obsidian dagger]

who’s xeroc 😭

[cold owl]

A monk from a very long time ago who became the first God by consuming the soul of the auric dragons king. He became the god of Primordial Light (sun) and is the most powerful being in the lore.

[obsidian dagger]

ah ok

so im guessing yharim is somewhere below him

[cold owl]

There's a little more we know but that's the sum of it

[tropic oak]

yharim couldn't do jackshit to him

[cold owl]

It goes

1 Xeroc
2 Prime Moon Lord / Fovos
3 Noxus
4 Yharim

[obsidian dagger]

idk who noxus or fovos is

😭

well ive heard of noxus

[cold owl]

Pretty sure a dev gave a rough estimate it would take 40 Yharim's to kill Xeroc

[obsidian dagger]

dang

[tropic oak]

fovos = moonlord

fovos is just moonlords actual name

[obsidian dagger]

oh ok

[tropic oak]

noxus is a being from The Distortion

[cold owl]

Noxus is the ruler of the Distortion dimension (Home of Devourer of Gods). Fovos is Moon Lord from a very long time ago (Current one is weak af)

[tropic oak]

whom we know nigh nothing about

[obsidian dagger]

ohhh

[tropic oak]

other than the fact that hes in there, seemingly high in the order, and he fucked shit up

[cold owl]

Well, compared to when he was back then

Yeah, besides what I said. We know quite literally nothing else about Noxus other than he's the same type of being as Signus

[hoary cape]

fovos is just another title for it we don't actually know if that is its real name

[obsidian dagger]

oh

[tropic oak]

my fault og

[cold owl]

Fovos and ML are both equally correct titles. Not it's real name though (If it has one)

[obsidian dagger]

i love calamity lore

[hoary cape]

i would imagine fovos' name changes depending on which place you ask

because clearly it has armies

[scenic olive]

It has a real name and its Steve Calamity

(my source : trust me bro)

[long bloom]

fovos probably doesn't even have a name

like dog

[hoary cape]

I mean it seems sentient enough that it could have one that it knows

[long bloom]

possibly

[real silo]

His name is calamaritas

[spring helm]

going by what's in-game, noxus doesn't even exist right now

all we have is an implication that there's something scary in the Distortion

[long bloom]

0 relevance
0 namedrops
7 years until implementation

[balmy glacier]

noxballs

[prisma bronze]

One thing im confused on is the ordering of events near the latter half of the crusade era, many interpretations mix up the timeline, the events in specific being

• Was calamitas recruited before after draedon's recruitment? before or after the devourer's?
• Did calamitas leave after imprisoning permafrost or after incinerating azafure fighting against the b. elemental?

One thing that stays consistent is that permafrost left, then calamitas left, then draedon was "exiled", then the devourer went away because yharon went back to the aerie, but even then im not sure of that, and unsure of when each of those joined yharim (i know for a fact that permafrost was among the first)

also one logical leap, if zeratros fell against prime fovos, how is xeroc supposedly more powerful than prime fovos?

i JUST got into the lore, im confused at how squishy the timeline and even names are

[eager bluff]

scal joined as a direct result of azafure, she left after perma got cryogend
scal was recruited after draedon, i believe its unclear if it was before or after dog

[eager bluff]

training

lots and lots of training

[real silo]

and even before ascending he was already strong as fuck

[eager bluff]

several centuries to be more specific

ml vs zeratros was definitely more one-sided than a theoretical xeroc vs prime moon lord but it was also even enough for zeratros to be able to actually survive the fight

[prisma bronze]

also the "oath" mentioned for the monk that xeroc was, is that intentionally ambiguous or is that oath described in any way?

like what it even entails, usually oaths are a promise or covenant of some kind

[eager bluff]

intentionally ambiguous by direct wordage but the way its worded in the lore item implies the oath is at least partly to ensure dragons can undergo rebirth at the aerie

which is to say it doesnt tell you outright but with context clues you can piece together at the very least the relevant portion

[limpid saddle]

Trust no-one, not even the writers

[split mortar]

Fovos does not describe prime moonlord 💔

[wanton pendant]

Draedon was recruited about 22 years into the crusade, which lasted over a hundred years. Calamitas is in her late twenties, generally people put her at around 28. Calamitas leaves shortly after Permafrost and fakes his death on or shortly before the year 1875. Brimstone Elemental is the first major thing to happen to Calamitas, and it's where she gets the abilities. She joins Yharim shortly after. The Devourer was hired most likely between Draedon and Calamitas, and is the point Yharim considers things to have gone downhill for him. Devourer I'd assume had been around for at least a decade before Calamitas joined. Oh, and also Calamitas was a child soldier.

Oh, and Supreme Witch, Calamitas' bestiary entry is wrong, so don't use it to try and figure things out, it will get the dates wrong.

[tropic oak]

fakes his death?

lol

[wanton pendant]

That is quite literally what happens.

"He yet lives?! I thought him slain by Calamitas. It appears she imprisoned the Archmage to spare his life."

[jaunty wraith]

Isn't the bestiary a bit behind in modern lore?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's why I'm saying not to use it.

It claims she fought for Yharim longer then she did, and maybe even joined later then she did.

[split mortar]

Not the calamity enemy entries
One of the writers just fumbled when making scal entry

[wanton pendant]

Zoologist making propaganda. When will we break free from the shackles of that furry's tyranny!?

[scenic olive]

what if yharim is furry under that mask

[jaunty wraith]

IIRC there's a plan to update vanilla bestiary at some point

[split mortar]

Yeah they have already done so and its waiting on sso to come out

[wanton pendant]

Is that why he's racist towards lizard people?

[scenic olive]

hmm Yharons feathered though

so maybe

[limpid saddle]

Well Calamitas fakes his death for him

I doubt he was particularly happy about being sealed in a big ice cube for like

4 years?

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, I was saying she faked his death.

And it seems to be closer to ten or more.

Hell, even my old estimates put it closer to 6.

[limpid saddle]

Ah my bad I was extrapolating john's response & your original post

[wanton pendant]

But the whole almost a decade thing is wrong, and she also may have started earlier.

So the numbers being thrown out is she left before becoming an adult (18), so around 16, more likely 17.

And if she's around 28... that's over a decade.

Being homeless.

[limpid saddle]

I guess I always assumed she served for the last decade of the Crusades

As like an organized thing anyway

[scenic olive]

why cant we craft armor out of miracle matter

is there any lore reason

[wanton pendant]

From what I know, Crusade only ended very recently, like within a year or so.

[limpid saddle]

We all know Yharim eventually wandered off & started going bloodfrenzy

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's failed assassination and subsequent departure would undoubtedly end it if it was ongoing.

Also I don't think it's ever established if the whole freezing him in some kind of snowgrave was Calamitas' idea or Permafrosts.

[limpid saddle]

I dont really have a good answer for that

[wanton pendant]

It's made for offence, nor defence I guess.

[limpid saddle]

*some king
if you're doing the bit you need to get the mispelling right

[wanton pendant]

DAMN IT!

[limpid saddle]

True it is purely used offensively

[scenic olive]

well u can use ashes of calamity to make armor too why is that

[wanton pendant]

Depression makes the heart harder.

Which means more defence.

[limpid saddle]

Presumably it could be made into armor as it is a substance of nearly limitless potential

[limpid saddle]

brimstone resonance

[scenic olive]

What is brimstone resonance

[wanton pendant]

Depression vibes.

[limpid saddle]

as in the brimstone of the brimstone magic

is in the shit she burned

[wanton pendant]

I love sulphur armour.

[limpid saddle]

so you rub it on some cloth

[scenic olive]

Are you talking about like

The metaphysical domain of brimstone

[wanton pendant]

Something something alchemy.

[limpid saddle]

No I mean the magic that makes the fire go brr would be in the shit the fire brred & so you use that to make armor

[scenic olive]

Is that like Cylops punch dimension

[scenic olive]

[limpid saddle]

its a cool set

[wanton pendant]

Maybe she gets her power from the trauma dimension.

[limpid saddle]

its fucked up that fathom swarmer has such good stats & looks so ugly

[split mortar]

Because you would fucking die

[limpid saddle]

By wearing it?

[scenic olive]

does it just absorbs me

[wanton pendant]

The miracle of [Death].

[scenic olive]

Or is it death by radiation

[split mortar]

Thats what it does to the items you put onto it so yeah you would prob just liquidate into it

[scenic olive]

miracle blight

[wanton pendant]

It reconstructs you into something [New and Improved!]

[scenic olive]

It turns me into

Miracle Man

I can do miraculous things now!

[split mortar]

Mysteriously turns you from a living breathing person into a dead person!

[limpid saddle]

melee trips & accidentally grazes themselves with the miracle matter melee weapon & is instantaneously vaporized

[wanton pendant]

Wake up and smell the [Brimstone]

[scenic olive]

New and Improved!

What if Miracle Matter has its own Conciousness

Like the Miracle Conciousness Realm

[wanton pendant]

A Collective Consciousness of some kind?

[scenic olive]

yes

[wanton pendant]

That's not the fantastic four gif.

[scenic olive]

Since it has Auric Bar in it, it also has Auric Soul too

[scenic olive]

wait i just realized...

Mgr reference

[limpid saddle]

but does it control?

will i see?

[wanton pendant]

Does it control your soul?

Does it control your soul?

Does it control, your, soul!?

[limpid saddle]

[sick asf synthed electric guitar solo]

[scenic olive]

So why doesnt it just absorbs every single thing it touches

[wanton pendant]

It's nice like that.

[scenic olive]

is it because of the soul used in Auric Bar?

[wanton pendant]

Unfortunately, it does not like the human skeleton.

[limpid saddle]

because you put it in the atomizing forge

[scenic olive]

like maybe it does the opposite of auric rejection

[limpid saddle]

cirua acception

[wanton pendant]

It eats your electric signals causing brain death and heart failure?

[scenic olive]

Its miracle acception

[wanton pendant]

You get Spring Locked, like some king of Spring Trap...

[scenic olive]

only accepts things that it deems worthy

[limpid saddle]

luckily it's very racist & hates sapient life

[wanton pendant]

It'd get along with Yharim.

[scenic olive]

Nah itll kill Yharim

[fleet wedge]

"Genderfluid"

[limpid saddle]

yeah it really works as a pun

[fleet wedge]

The soul of Terraria from Fargos

[limpid saddle]

because y'know

slime

literally a fluid

they are the genderfluid

[fleet wedge]

Wasn't it Draedon?

[limpid saddle]

He added exo enhancements to it

But it's believed either Yharim forged the armor himself or it was the property of a now-dead dragon monk bestowed to him by Yharon

[split mortar]

Draedon likely also gets discriminated against by auric

[fleet wedge]

(It's the opposite actually )

[tropic oak]

how would he

he is not a living creature. he cannot blow up, surely

[split mortar]

Then how come it rejects the armour the terrarian wears

Or golf balls

[tropic oak]

because the terrarian isnt attuned with a dragon and is a living creature

draedon is a robot.

you could make the same argument like

why doesnt the stone thats touching the auric ore blow up?

it isnt living

[fleet wedge]

Accurate

[hushed jasper]

Cuz gameplay style that makes no sense

[split mortar]

It never moves to touch the ore and thus never activates the rejection
-# idfk auric is weird

[tropic oak]

i want you to reread what i said very carefully

[limpid saddle]

I think Dreadon counts as alive

[hushed jasper]

Then when you place a block touching the ore it technically moves. Why no boom then

[tropic oak]

how so

[split mortar]

Did you miss the part where i said idfk auric is weird

[limpid saddle]

Well he has all the aspects of a sapient being, just one made of steel instead of flesh

& it is implied his mind is that of an old scientist who transmitted his counsciousness into a machine so

[tropic oak]

correct

correct

[split mortar]

Does draedon have a soul

[tropic oak]

but he is not living

he cannot be blown up because he is not a living creature

he does not have a soul

he is a Thing

[limpid saddle]

Oh ok i didnt think we were getting robot racist

[pliant ruin]

i mean auric rejection works on golf balls

[tropic oak]

surely this means he can touch auric without blowing up

[hushed jasper]

But machines can blow up

[tropic oak]

im electing to ignore this

[limpid saddle]

he gonna call him a clanker next 🥀

[tropic oak]

i was just about to get to that

[limpid saddle]

Anyway we dont know if Draedon has a soul you cant just assume he doesnt

[tropic oak]

ive been referring to draedon and the mechs as clankers constantly through my current playthru with friends. very funny.

[limpid saddle]

[pliant ruin]

they also work on enemies that also arent alive or organic as far as i know like i dontknow Granite Elemental

[tropic oak]

thank you star wars i forgot how funny you were 🥀

[stoic gulch]

You can’t say that….

[pliant ruin]

Well alive is debatable

Organic thoguh yeah definitely not that

[tropic oak]

im gonna keep it 💯

im gonna spawn draedon on auric ore and see what happens

[fleet wedge]

I mean thorium adds 3 whole new type of fragments but you don't see them adding 3 new pillars

[tropic oak]

Why r u responding to messages that were sent months ago

[fleet wedge]

What would their name even be

[pliant ruin]

thats melons gimmick

[limpid saddle]

im with john what the hell are you doing

[split mortar]

I did it like one time 😭

Moonlord is the meld pillar

[tropic oak]

u can just call me tyrant, brother, someone nick’d me this months ago and i cant change it

[wanton pendant]

Meld pillar is when you mush the others together, thus meld.

[pliant ruin]

what do you mean one time you do it like every week and ahalf

[pliant ruin]

John Vcmm

[split mortar]

????

[pliant ruin]

sorry man ur johnnow

[tropic oak]

the god of sacrifices when i unearth him and force him to face the corner

[limpid saddle]

thats rough

[young socket]

sometimes yharim gets drunk in the aerie and constantly spouts stuff about draedon and constantly calls him a clanker

[tropic oak]

it’s not so bad. im vcmm guy now

heart may own the mod but im the coolest poster boy they’ll get

[tropic oak]

truth

[wanton pendant]

Yharim when he meets the god of child soldiers.

[tropic oak]

im very partial to this headcanon

infact i will treat it as canon and start spreading it as misinformation

[split mortar]

When will the mass misinformation spreading start

[tropic oak]

when the next conversation about him comes up

[fleet wedge]

Yharim is deiphobic confirmed

[tropic oak]

what are you doing

[balmy glacier]

time to come up with an insult for gods if we have clanker for robots

[tropic oak]

clankers n godmodders

fuck these guys…….

[balmy glacier]

crucify all godmodders

[split mortar]

Death penalty

[young socket]

need an insult for elementals

[real silo]

Usurper

I think

[tropic oak]

this is gonna be hard

[split mortar]

Too fancy

[real silo]

drake eater

[tropic oak]

holy crap is that the calamity structure builder of all time

[split mortar]

Whaur

[wanton pendant]

Dirty brother killers.

[real silo]

whar

[robust osprey]

no thats for humans

[wanton pendant]

Looked like a monster to me.

[balmy glacier]

swifties

[tropic oak]

u build cool as fuck shit

[real silo]

oh

true I didn't think people would know me from that

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas probably doesn't approve of the Heart of the Elements.

[tropic oak]

i draw inspiration from u all the time bro

[real silo]

That's awesome

[tropic oak]

yeah im gonna keep it real with u i cant come up with anything

[wanton pendant]

I'm unable to channel the racism needed.

[balmy glacier]

elementcels 🤔

[tropic oak]

i don’t think she’d particularly mind, nor care for that matter, however i think it would be quite silly if you had the rose stone equipped and she had some special dialogue

[wanton pendant]

Which is part of the Heart of the Elements.

Like, you're hanging out with the thing that ruined her life.

[tropic oak]

i think yharim ruined her life king im not gonna lie

[wanton pendant]

Burning your city and probably killing your family is kinda life ruining.

Yharim made it worse, sure.

[fleet wedge]

I mean, his armor is probably airtight

[wanton pendant]

But like, either way she ends up homeless.

[tropic oak]

she lives with us though

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, but she's been like, orphaned thrice. I'd hold out on signing any adoption papers.

[tropic oak]

@pliant ruin quick, say something in character

[tropic oak]

what are you talking about brother

[balmy glacier]

orphaned thrice??

[pliant ruin]

more like twice

[wanton pendant]

Her parents are dead, her brothers looked after her, then they died, then her adopted dad got snowgraved, like yeah he lived but it kinda counts.

[pliant ruin]

calamitas seeing youhave the rose stone would be like awkward

[tropic oak]

thank you calamitas this has been very enlightening

[pliant ruin]

i dont think shed outright hate you for it or anything like it wouldnt be lke pulling up with yharim but itd still be like awkward

[wanton pendant]

I mean, they don't say it anywhere, but it's kinda implied Brimstone Elemental killed Cataclysm and Catastrophe.

[fleet wedge]

[pliant ruin]

brimmy and all of the elementals really semeingly with the major exception of silva are like nature spirit type creatures andi feel like enough time has passed for calamitas to be mature enough to not like outright hate her because its kind of pointless doing so its like hating an earthquake i guess
itd more so just bring back bad memories i feel and seeing you wield its power would be awkward and possibly offputting but i'm not sure if it'd outright incite hate or anything it'd be kind of like seeing someone use auric armor like yharim while not being yharim

[fleet wedge]

Are they the Underworld content?

[pliant ruin]

dude can you like stop

please

it couldve been maybe a little funny if you just randomly responded to a message form like 3 years ago with a funny response but now its just like ok

[tropic oak]

im going to consume the auric soul of the dragon of kicking ass

[wanton pendant]

You are now the foot god. Poor soul.

[tropic oak]

raelvanna stands no chance

[real silo]

Raelvanna dead as hell

[tropic oak]

ok then let’s beat the shit out of silva until she releases her auric soul, wait for yharon to rebirth, have HIS ass revive Raelvanna, then kick her ass

great plan 2 me

[wanton pendant]

Who's Raelvanna?

[tropic oak]

(this is assuming silva would ever let go of her soul knowing she…can’t exactly die. )

[split mortar]

Name for dragon of life

[wanton pendant]

Ironic.

[robust osprey]

oops! domain changed!

[tropic oak]

FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!

what’d i roll…..

[wanton pendant]

Enjoy dominion over feet, I guess.

[robust osprey]

god of pain in the ass

it's what comes after a kick in the ass

[tropic oak]

you know thats not exactly the worst domain

[robust osprey]

also yharim is behind you

[tropic oak]

FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!

[robust osprey]

it was nice to meet you buddy....

[tropic oak]

well hey

maybe i can be a pain in his ass to kill

this isn’t so bad

[wanton pendant]

Oh, you misunderstand.

[robust osprey]

I guess that works

[somber wren]

I think that once a god absorbs an Auric soul, that it; it's gone for good, and now the God's soul is all that exists.

Otherwise, why wouldn't Yharon have used his powers of rebirth on the souls of the gods that the Crusade did manage to kill?

If you could rip the Auric soul that a god consumed out of them, I don't think a way to imprison or destroy godly essence would be necessary.

[tropic oak]

it is a fundamental law of the universe that matter cannot be destroyed or created

surely auric souls cannot be destroyed

[somber wren]

It can be transformed though, and not all transformations work both ways

[limpid saddle]

Thats true, that is how it works, it completely ceases to be an auric soul

It becomes a God Soul & it's an irreversible process

[tropic oak]

okay then replace the auric soul within my sentence to god soul

[limpid saddle]

then if its taken out of the god, like dying, it explodes

[tropic oak]

where’s that said

[limpid saddle]

Thats what essence is

Profaned Essence or whatever its called is exploded god soul

[somber wren]

I think that would just function like the Profaned Soul Artifact where you turn into a tiny copy of the god you stole from.

Still incredibly useful and powerful, but probably not what you're looking for.

[tropic oak]

where’s that said

[limpid saddle]

Also uh, Silva cant die

[limpid saddle]

dev statements

[tropic oak]

great.

[limpid saddle]

Unless you kill all forms of life ever

silva will continue to exist in some state

[tropic oak]

it was a hypothetical scenario i honest to god just wanted to fight raelvanna

[limpid saddle]

So you cant really extract her God Soul

Or even the essence

[limpid saddle]

Oh yeah I think essence is also brought up in the DoG lore item

[somber wren]

It's also a fairly reasonable thing to infer.

The Crimson, which was made from the putrid essence of a dead god, bleeds Ichor from many of the powerful beings created in its boundaries.

[limpid saddle]

Tbh its kind of such engrained knowledge I couldnt put it to a single source

[tropic oak]

you guys are getting way too technical over a halfassed joke

great! thanks for the lesson, i suppose, but i still want to fight raelvanna

[wanton pendant]

We're going back in time to take dragons off the menu.

[tropic oak]

TRUE

[robust osprey]

do some fuck up shit with dragon aerie to go BACK IN TIME to the SILVA ASCENSION to get raelvanna. off. the menu.

[wanton pendant]

That's right, we're going back in time to take dragons off the menu.

[tropic oak]

TRUTH NUKE

im dunking on this dragon bro

watch ts

[limpid saddle]

I think alot of people have brought up the aerie's fucky time as an excuse to do an Elden Ring & have you fight dead dragons as bosses but basically anytime the idea gets brought up its shut down by cei or reb

[wanton pendant]

I wanna fight Gun Dragon.

[somber wren]

I think that all you would need to do is go back in time to fight Xeroc before he absorbs Zeratros.

Xeroc's ascension is what kicked off the Dracomachy when other people, for good or for bad, wanted an Auric soul of their own.

Though I do think that to a certain degree, this was inevitable.
Many dragons were dead or dying already,

In the Lore item Prelude, it was said that it was feared that Zeratros's POWER was about to be lost forever, not just his life.

It does make me wonder whether Xeroc's ascension was truly a betrayal like Yharim says, or if Zeratros was simply too powerful to be reborn by Yharon, and he passed on his Power before it could fade entirely.

[robust osprey]

he could be revived by yharon normally

except that death wasnt normal

[wanton pendant]

Like, it's possible Zeratros knew Xeroc would be stronger and could protect Terraria and gave up their soul, but again, nobody knows what happened between them.

[tropic oak]

silly fovos

[robust osprey]

moonlord did some fucked up shit to prevent the revival

[wanton pendant]

Moon bite.

[tropic oak]

silly fovos……..

[wanton pendant]

Lunar bite.

Whichever.

[robust osprey]

also yharim's ass was NOT there to see if it was a betrayal or not

[tropic oak]

fake fucking LIAR !!!!!!

[wanton pendant]

Like, it was over a thousand years ago, right?

[tropic oak]

~800ish

i think

[split mortar]

We play in late 1800s and the god stuff and fovos happened early 1000s iirc

[somber wren]

Oh yeah, the bite he has prevents healing. For some reason I didn't think that would affect rebirth.

But I guess if he was much more powerful back then, it would make sense that it has more far reaching consequences.

Yharon was alive, but it's possible that unless he was a physical eyewitness to the event, he wouldn't have believed anything Xeroc said after his ascension.

[wanton pendant]

It's very late 19th century, almost 20th. Not entirely sure of what the precise start date is, but many years after 1875, probably ten or something around there.

[split mortar]

No one but xeroc and zeratros was there
Worst case scenario xeroc ascending was the logically best thing to do for the planets safety

[wanton pendant]

Well, that would be best case.
Worst case is it was malicious.

[pliant ruin]

i need to eat a wulfrumdog

hi what r we talking about

[split mortar]

Zeratros was gonna permadie anyways

And xeroc is most likely the planets guardian

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, so I'm saying that it being for the good of the planet would be the best case.

[split mortar]

Best case scenario zeratros consented to it

[wanton pendant]

Xeroc's actions being megalomania would be worst.

Just like in Undertale.

[pliant ruin]

Whether it was malicious or not it was like almost objectively the right thing to do
Whether Xeroc did it out of a desire for power or any other selfish/malicious goal or whether he actually saw it as the best thing to do (Which, really, again, objectively it was) is another story

but like

all things considered

it's almost definitely not the former

[wanton pendant]

Well, we know they took the soul, so the alternate isn't really what's important, what's the focus is on the intentions and end goals of Xeroc, which we don't know.

[split mortar]

we can get possible insight from rock and terminus tooltips no?

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah we don't but i very highly doubt it's just megalomania

because yeah

all the conjtext we have

points to him being actually pretty friendly towards you and actually fondly reminiscing about the time him and Yharon(And i assume, by proxy, the dragons as a whole) were friends

[young socket]

im gonna megalomania it so hard

[pliant ruin]

I don't think someone who did it all purely for selfish desire for power would act like that

[wanton pendant]

Like, I was thinking Xeroc could just be another reflection of Yharim, right, did some extreme thing for the greater good and is now depressed and strong.

[tropic oak]

yharon gotta be pissed as fuck

like holy manipulative dragon and all but u do kinda feel bad for bro

[scenic olive]

Fovos tentacles latches to you and heals himself

[pliant ruin]

yeah no yharon probably hates his ass and is just like man i miss my buddy

its like that one image

[scenic olive]

hes literally eating you while u fight him

[pliant ruin]

the sigma chill ass monkey and the soyjak angry lion

[tropic oak]

TRUTH

LOLLL

[pliant ruin]

yharon andxeroc truth

[pliant ruin]

YEP

[wanton pendant]

'I miss Yharon Terrarian, I miss him alot, I'll be back.'

[tropic oak]

i do wonder just how deep their relationship goes

[pliant ruin]

I think Xeroc is probably like kinda depressed

[tropic oak]

if it were as far as theirs and zeratros’?

[pliant ruin]

He seems to genuinely have cared about the dragons and again he reminisces fondly of his friendship with them so

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, that's what I was saying, an irony in them being similar to Yharim.

[pliant ruin]

I think his ascencion unintentionally causing their extinction probably makes him a bit sad yknow

[wanton pendant]

Like, Yharim became just like the one he probably hates most.

[tropic oak]

very true, but i do like to think about what they were like together when xeroc wasn’t with zeratros

[pliant ruin]

The difference between Yharim and Xeroc is that Yharim is just like fucked up and evil while Xeroc honestly just kind of did the right thing and it had consequences that were kinda unavoidable

I don't think they're really that similar to eachother

Like Xeroc dosen't strike me as delulu

He just did what he thought was right and it had Consequences

[tropic oak]

xeroc is definitely a “i did what i had to, and i will live with the consequences” kind of guy to me

[pliant ruin]

yeah no exactly

[wanton pendant]

I'd argue he's not evil per se, as he did have benevolent intentions. Obviously, his ends didn't justify the means, he really didn't need to burn churches, groom orphans, kill civilians, etc.

[pliant ruin]

He never had benevolent to be honest

Intentions

my

words

[wanton pendant]

I mean, he could just be lying.

[pliant ruin]

His intentions were driven by anger

And self-righteousness

[tropic oak]

dude accepted what they did and they remember the times he had those dragons as friends

[pliant ruin]

He is no different from providence in that sense and i'd hardly call her cause is anything near benevolence

[tropic oak]

xeroc definitely seems, like you said, in one way or another, a mild amount of depressed

[pliant ruin]

dude why are my words just fucking disappearing

[wanton pendant]

Regardless of my word choice, I'd still argue that he thought, and still thinks it was for the greater good, or right thing to do.

[tropic oak]

given that he’s been alive so long,

it’s eternity in there

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah

[wanton pendant]

Regardless of how outragous of his methods.

[tropic oak]

in his mind i mean

[pliant ruin]

but thinking you're doing the rihgt thing dosen't make him not evil

like again he's just genuinely delusional

People generally dont see their own actions as evil

Specially someone like Yharim

Yharim isn't someone who like had a noble goal and fell off, he's someone who believes he's that

[wanton pendant]

I mean, you reach a point where this is just a philosophy argument on what good and evil is.

[pliant ruin]

If a dude thinks eating babies is the right thing does that make him not evil for eating babies

😭

[wanton pendant]

It makes them insane.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah that's

that's yharim

[obsidian dagger]

whos eating babies 😭

[pliant ruin]

Yharim's entire character is about refusing to see nuance or alternative opinions on things and having one single moral compass you firmly attach yourself to to the point of it becoming so ingrained in your psyche that you genuinely delude yourself into fully believing it even when like the entire world disagrees

[wanton pendant]

Of course, if you argue that to be evil the intent must be malicious, then you could say he doesn't truly qualify, as he believed that by killing the gods he would end their tyranny. But again, you reach a point where the issue is defining concepts like good and evil into an inarguable and things are rarely so black and white.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah but like

[wanton pendant]

Obviously, Yharim is bad.

[pliant ruin]

most gods weren't tyrannical

[somber wren]

There are at least three gods that I know of that probably could have been left entirely alone and the world would have been better for it.

because even though they did consume an Auric soul, they were at least trying to use what they had to the betterment of the people around them, if not the betterment of the world.

[wanton pendant]

Noone could deny it. But he at least thought he was good. He wasn't, but he thought he was.

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah

I'm not arguing against that

He thought he was good yeah thats entirely true

but it dosent make him good

[wanton pendant]

Like, he's an extremist, war criminal, child abusing racist.

He's nowhere near good.

[pliant ruin]

I mean yeah that was like my entire point

He thinks of himself as a good guy but he isnt

[somber wren]

And even if every single god were irredeemably evil

His apathy and inattention killed or alienated would be allies. Even if you attribute it to war fatigue, he took easy convenient roads to ending a war that led to more suffering.

[wanton pendant]

Yharim sees himself as someone who did bad things for a good reason, even though that reason was inherently flawed and didn't justify the means.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah that's his character

[tropic oak]

#echochamber

[pliant ruin]

That's like exactly what i'm trying to say

[somber wren]

The council is in agreement

[tropic oak]

curse you dogma

[wanton pendant]

He got aid from untrustworthy and malevolent beings, manipulated traumatised children, attacked civilians for their religion and such because it was 'the only way' even though there were countless other ways to do things, it was just the easier, faster way.

[tropic oak]

raises fist at sky

[wanton pendant]

He had ways to contain godly essence, so DoG isn't strictly needed, he's stronger then Calamitas so he didn't need to weaponise her, and so on.

He just couldn't be bothered to take accountability after a while.

[somber wren]

He also bankrolled a lot of Draedon's living ecological disasters.

[wanton pendant]

Again, because it was easy, and he refused to actually take accountability and left others to pick up the pieces he refused to fix.

[somber wren]

Pretty much the only one to my knowledge that we can say wasn't on Yharim was the Nano-Plague.

[wanton pendant]

Like Poltherghast is a good example, he just couldn't be bothered to do anything about it, because it was inconvenient to him.

He didn't need to make a teen nuke Italy, he could have probably just done it himself with an army or something, but it's easier to make someone else do it.

The 'Civilian Killer 9000' was frankly uncalled for.

[somber wren]

I am a little bit of a hypocrite because I am also working with Draedon because I benefit from his scientific advancements.

[fierce pagoda]

This Yharim guy kinda stinks, am I right guys?

[wanton pendant]

I mean, who hasn't done just a little genocides.

[plucky lichen]

Are we defending gigahitler in lore chat again

[lethal mirage]

classic

i think the gods are bad, i think yharim is bad, i will kill them both

[wanton pendant]

No, we're debating on what it means to be evil.

So we can accurately say if he's evil or just a lunatic.

[lethal mirage]

i think genocide is evil

[stoic gulch]

Can I also kill some oriole

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim ohh🎶, why did you kill those guys ohh🎶

[stoic gulch]

People

[plucky lichen]

Hey guys I know he killed hundreds of millions of people and also put a bunch of people in a dungeon and left them all to rot and turn into angry souls and also manipulated a child to incinerate an entire city but like he killed a few bad guys!!! That’s fine!! That means he’s a good guy!!

[lethal mirage]

oo king whyd you have to kill those guys

[plucky lichen]

Also notice how he didn’t talk about the hallowed biome

[wanton pendant]

Look, he only groomed one kid, that's only a third of the amount Ghetsis did in Pokémon.

[plucky lichen]

Hmmm I wonder what happened to all the good gods hmmmm

[wanton pendant]

So Yharim is about a third of Ghetsis evil.

My mathmatical capabilities are unmatched.

[fierce pagoda]

Yharim, ooo, please don't kill the good gods oooh

[lethal mirage]

"silva is one of the good ones"

[wanton pendant]

Into the abyss with her.

[lethal mirage]

better then death maybe

[wanton pendant]

She got better the last time.

[fierce pagoda]

you can eat silva if you wanna

if your oungry enough

[wanton pendant]

Look, all I'm saying is I don't remember Yharim rounding up all the Lihzahrd's for nefarious purposes.

[lethal mirage]

she a plant

😋

eaten

[fierce pagoda]

how much Silva do we gotta eat until shes gone for good

[lethal mirage]

grilled vegetable

[fierce pagoda]

Lizhards lowkey deserve it

[lethal mirage]

isnt she in a coma

[fierce pagoda]

they annoy me in gameplay

[wanton pendant]

Woah woah woah slow down.

That's racist :(

[lethal mirage]

witch doctor is one of the good ones

[wanton pendant]

Found Yharim's alt.

[limpid saddle]

they arent real no good gods never forget the divine sin

[fierce pagoda]

i hate the way they jump at me and start running on all fours after they're low enough

[limpid saddle]

dragons are awesome never forget

[wanton pendant]

That was Yharim's war cry.

[plucky lichen]

Wow all dragons were surely good guys and never did anything wrong

[lethal mirage]

is silva in a coma

[fierce pagoda]

they were, don't you know? Yharim told us

we gotta take his word for it

[wanton pendant]

Like, I'd assume the dragons weren't evil, but there were probably extortionate ones, and I'm willing to bet the Dragon of Gluttony wasn't a saint.

[fierce pagoda]

he never lies, you gotta be schtewpid to think Yharim would lie to me

[plucky lichen]

Trust gigahitler! Become his successor! Kill fucking everyone!!!

[real silo]

Dragon of gluttony may be gluttonous but that doesn't mean he's lazy

[wanton pendant]

Yharim said he had no choice but to emotionally manipulate that teenager!

[real silo]

he could be the farmiest farmer of all

[limpid saddle]

Yeah shes basically a braindead corpse in the abyss rn

[fierce pagoda]

Nah Calamitas let it happen, she coulda left whenever

bum

[limpid saddle]

give her like 3000 years she'll get better

[lethal mirage]

ironic that the plant became a vegetable

[wanton pendant]

Yeah, why didn't the child just leave, is she stupid?

[plucky lichen]

Insane

[fierce pagoda]

she is tupid

And then she killed uhm permafrost

wonder what happened to that guy, never fought Cryogen it was too cold for me

[lethal mirage]

yharim shouldve just let draedon cook

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas should have just said no, he can't groom her without her consent, duh!

[fierce pagoda]

He's so dramatic, its just ONE bee dude

[limpid saddle]

He just loves nature & animals too much

[fierce pagoda]

lowkey shot himself in the foot with that

[wanton pendant]

Unless they're lizard pepole.

[limpid saddle]

(except for elementals he fucking hates elementals)

[fierce pagoda]

Dramatic Finish

[lethal mirage]

yharim could have exotech

[limpid saddle]

he does

[lethal mirage]

does he

[fierce pagoda]

nah they kinda made up cuz they still had feelings for eachother

[tropic oak]

he does

[limpid saddle]

he went to draedon for an upgrade

[wanton pendant]

Last year.

[wheat walrus]

what is sscls on abt vro

[fierce pagoda]

so Dreadon upgraded his Armor as a sign of their love and trust

[lethal mirage]

doomed yaoi

[tropic oak]

true

[limpid saddle]

draedon holds no grudges & Yharim was very sulky

[tropic oak]

truer words have never been said

[limpid saddle]

nice pfp omni

[wanton pendant]

Because he doesn't care, as he's amoral and was moreso confused as to why he didn't like bee slavery.

[lethal mirage]

can yharim and draedon just kiss and be friends again

[wheat walrus]

thanks ggg

[fierce pagoda]

I thnik they did, but they're too embarrassed to say it in public

[wanton pendant]

Draedon doesn't have a mouth, and Yharim's wearing a helmet, they can't kiss, foolish mortal.

[fierce pagoda]

Who knows what happened while Dreadon was upgrading his armor

[lethal mirage]

life finds a way

if draedon can make machines of infinite power

he can make lips

[wanton pendant]

You're forgetting something, Yharim is weak to gay, so he'd die.

[fierce pagoda]

Worth it

[lethal mirage]

yharim is just jealous of braelor and statis

he wants draedon back

[fierce pagoda]

Who wouldn't though

lets not blame Yharim for that

[wanton pendant]

We get it, you're Robot Romancers.

[lethal mirage]

mhm

[tropic oak]

no yharim of mine will date a damn clanker

[lethal mirage]

thats true

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas clone watching Yharim and Draedon argue over bees.

[lethal mirage]

DoG*

atleast dog gets two birthdays now

[wanton pendant]

DoG is the alcoholic racist uncle.

[lethal mirage]

hes the sweet baby boy

[limpid saddle]

any argument between Draedon & Yharim would be like that image of the monkey staring smugly while the lion screams at it

[tropic oak]

dog is the type of guy to bring up those damned godmodders at the dinner table

i have no slur for the elementals i cant come up with anything

[limpid saddle]

I assume like 3 minutes in Draedon activates a sub-routine to shake his head & sigh disappointedly every 5 seconds while he does other things in his other recon bodies

[wanton pendant]

I mean wasn't Yharim blowing up half the lab in rage.

He'd probably be midly miffed I'd think.

[real silo]

onetyper

[limpid saddle]

What is it with Yharim & Calamitas damaging Draedons property

[wanton pendant]

Yharim's childish, Calamitas was probably furious that he, you know, created a clone of her without her consent and tried to rescue it.

[tropic oak]

ok this is kinda funny

[jaunty wraith]

Draedon even pissed off yharim

[tropic oak]

clankers, godmodders and onetypers

[jaunty wraith]

Over bees

[tropic oak]

but, hm, doesnt roll off the tongue well

[fast pond]

guys, did Amidias got stuck inside the clam while the Inceneration happening?

[limpid saddle]

The greatest tragedy of Calamity is we were stripped of sister SCal/C.C dynamic

[tropic oak]

he take a bite :)

[tropic oak]

TRUE

TRUEEEEE

[wanton pendant]

???

[lethal mirage]

cant say this as a clanker

[tropic oak]

truth

[wanton pendant]

We just gotta trust they add spareable Calamitas Clone.

[limpid saddle]

i believe

[jaunty wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/bite-of-87-gif-3390242449625157403

[wanton pendant]

Also Amidias isn't gonna be in the clam in the future I think.

[limpid saddle]

i'll make her house sick asf & join the $50 patreon tier for life if they do

[wanton pendant]

Hmm, I wonder what this could be.

[lethal mirage]

are there slurs for clones

[real silo]

poser or smth

[jaunty wraith]

Faker

[wanton pendant]

I was thinking they'd make Calamitas Clone part of Permafrost's mission thing I don't know what it was called where you kinda drop her off to him as a responsibility.

[jaunty wraith]

Sonic adventure 2 got that one

[wanton pendant]

Doppleganger.

[lethal mirage]

that is not a slur

that just be a word

[young socket]

faker

[wanton pendant]

It's not about the word it's how you use it.

[lethal mirage]

faker is a good one

[tropic oak]

usually the droids called them meatbags or just clone very antagonizingly

[limpid saddle]

Wouldnt make much sense timeline wise though as I believe C.C's being retiered to Pre-Hardmode

[lethal mirage]

yea but those are weak

[wanton pendant]

I think they said they might do it, it's not certain.

[limpid saddle]

At least it seems like they're closer to locking in on that angle for the rework

[lethal mirage]

clankers cant make good slurs

[tropic oak]

well, they are just droids.

[wanton pendant]

She just hangs around spawn until you save Permafrost looking lost.

[limpid saddle]

💔

[wanton pendant]

Also, the clone would look like Calamitas just without the scar, right?

[limpid saddle]

i tire of this wave of robot racism

[wanton pendant]

Enough casual racism. Time for competitive racism.

[tropic oak]

what are you, a sympathizer?

[limpid saddle]

visual interpretation of Calamitas Clone go

[lethal mirage]

why her jaw exposed

[wanton pendant]

Like, ignoring the warped by uncontrollable power thing.

[limpid saddle]

burns

[wanton pendant]

You know, before that happened.

[lethal mirage]

personally i wouldnt be burnt

[wanton pendant]

True dat.

[limpid saddle]

from the brimstone fire she is infamously bad at containing/controlling

[wanton pendant]

I figured it out, to spare the clone you gotta take her to the nurse to heal her.

[lethal mirage]

spare no one

[wanton pendant]

Also, did you draw that?

[fierce pagoda]

calclone: Yoo, wassup, Im like a clone n all, pretty cool huh? I'm going to kill you now

[limpid saddle]

yeah

[wanton pendant]

She's probably in too much pain to really think, and is just lashing out.

Also, it's a good drawing.

[limpid saddle]

im pretty mediocore but i think i conveyed what i wanted to

the robes are more white & clinical because of draedon

[tropic oak]

yeah she’d say this

[fierce pagoda]

She's right next to me, she told me to write that for her

[wanton pendant]

I'd say it'd probably be more like AAAAAAHHHHH IT BURNS OH GOD IT BURNS PLEASE GOD AAAAHHHH!

[limpid saddle]

Reminds me I need to draw more calclone fanart

shes my goat 5ever

[wanton pendant]

Nobody ever draws the lore accurate fan art. I haven't seen a single image of Calamitas living in a cave!

[tropic oak]

why didn’t silva just stay in the abyss in the first place so she wouldn’t get brutally murdered again? is she stupid?

[fleet wedge]

I forgot, do we canonically kill Yharon and take his soul or just like a piece of it?

[wanton pendant]

Just shavings.

If we took his soul Yharim would get microwaved by his own armour.

[fierce pagoda]

ouch!

[fleet wedge]

Wait how would that work

[fierce pagoda]

He would lose his attunement to Yharon

thus making Auric reject him

and since he is covered in auric armor

[wanton pendant]

And it'd be like a bug zapper.

[split mortar]

If no yharon soul then yharim no longer attuned and so armour fucking kills him

[wanton pendant]

You would also become a god, and Calamitas would probably just get more traumatized.

[split mortar]

Auric springlock

[tropic oak]

he would infact fry to death if he were to lose his attunement for some god forsaken reason

[wanton pendant]

She'd be watching going, oh no not again.

[tropic oak]

it would be incredibly funny if yharims attunement to yharon also allowed yharim to rebirth anew

[wanton pendant]

It probably doesn't work like that.

[split mortar]

Phase 2 yharim
Baby

[wanton pendant]

Just like in that manga...

[split mortar]

Yharim baby got hands

[tropic oak]

wow really

i didnt know

[wanton pendant]

Yay, now you do :)

[fierce pagoda]

is it morally wrong to go back in time and kill baby Yharim

[robust osprey]

baby yharim superboss

[jaunty wraith]

Somthing somthing grandfather paradox

[wanton pendant]

We just do what he wanted, groom him into becoming Yharim.

[fleet wedge]

Which one

[wanton pendant]

Oh, you know... the one with the guy...

Bro got erased from the timeline.

[tropic oak]

there are a lot of those

[fierce pagoda]

oh uhm jojo?

[tropic oak]

oh, uhh, future diary?

[robust osprey]

doctor 'winging my ding' gaster

[fleet wedge]

Damn I didn't know IWBTG had a manga

[tropic oak]

me when i name my terrarian Gaster and i get sent back to the first time i ever played terraria

[young socket]

no.

[light linden]

I uh

[robust osprey]

back to being 10 years old

[light linden]

I don't think killing an infant is morally acceptable no matter who they grow up to be

[wanton pendant]

What if the baby was a jerk?

[light linden]

it is an infant

[jaunty wraith]

Have yall ever heard the grandfather paradox?

[robust osprey]

don't care, baby goes to the meat grinder

[jaunty wraith]

Going back in time to kill yharim would do nothing

[tropic oak]

says who

[fierce pagoda]

okay so we just loom over them until they become evil

thank you

[light linden]

or y'know

[young socket]

okay so instead i go back in time to baby yharims time, wait 20-30 years to just before the crusade starts THEN kill him

is that better?

[light linden]

just stop yharon's egg from being found

problem solved

[wanton pendant]

Make an omelette.

[fierce pagoda]

Yooo, Yharon omelette

[robust osprey]

absorb yharon before meeting yharim

[tropic oak]

good luck with that

[wanton pendant]

The mother of all omelettes, Jack.

[jaunty wraith]

Grandfather pardox:

Let's say you go back im time to kill someone before they do evil deeds.

So you go back in time and kill them. Which prevents the deeds... but that also prevents any reason for you to go back in time to kill them

[light linden]

what is with y'all and killing-

[wanton pendant]

That's a different paradox.

[light linden]

I meant moving the egg somewhere else

[fierce pagoda]

multiple timelines theory

Like Dragon ball Z

[wanton pendant]

Grandfather paradox is where you go back in time, screw your grandmother, and become your own grandfather.

Pro tip. Don't do that.

[jaunty wraith]

Thats futurama

[fierce pagoda]

future trunks comes to our timeline, kills the big bad, then goes back to his own timeline and kills the big bad there

[robust osprey]

then a ball head erases the timeline

[fierce pagoda]

oopsie

[wanton pendant]

Somehow, this still results in Calamitas being homeless.

[fierce pagoda]

lets jus kill calamitas too while were at it

[jaunty wraith]

Oh also I dont think timetravel is possivle in calamity lore

[jaunty wraith]

No we get her therapy

[fierce pagoda]

HELL NO

WERE KILLING HER

[jaunty wraith]

THERAPY

[robust osprey]

some fucked up shit with dragon aerie

[fierce pagoda]

DEATH

[wanton pendant]

Just murdering a homeless woman for the love of the game.

[robust osprey]

guys what about just being friends with cal so she isn't AS traumatized

[wanton pendant]

That's the canon route.

[robust osprey]

[tropic oak]

lore discussion

[wanton pendant]

Now we just gotta heal her clone.

Then Permafrost gets two kids.

[robust osprey]

no thats way too far gone

[jaunty wraith]

I can fix her

[robust osprey]

no you can NOT

[wanton pendant]

Power of friendship.

[robust osprey]

[wanton pendant]

And this stuff.

[jaunty wraith]

I'll fix her like i can fix [insert psychotic anime girl]

[fierce pagoda]

ew

friends with her?

[robust osprey]

that wont work

[robust osprey]

yes

think about it

if you kill her while being friends....

[tropic oak]

i will kill mfs that say “i can fix her” to cal leave that poor girl alone bro

[fierce pagoda]

srry but her bosss fight annoys me too much with the bullet hell phases

I'm going to hold that grudge

[robust osprey]

this is not even cal is the fucked up and just insane clone of cal

which is a lot worse than cal

(mentally)

[wanton pendant]

This is to take medicine, even further beyond!

[fierce pagoda]

peak

[tropic oak]

truth

leave the nonbiological sisters alone

[jaunty wraith]

What if we make a clone... of the clone

[magic epoch]

terraformer is secretly a medi-gun

[wanton pendant]

Will this work? I have no idea!

[split mortar]

How lorous is this convo

[tropic oak]

lore discussion

[robust osprey]

john lore

[tropic oak]

i am john lore

[robust osprey]

no youre john vcmm

[wanton pendant]

The lore on friendship.

[robust osprey]

you can't be 2 johns

[tropic oak]

i know. if you thought it, i been knew. i knew before you did, and i know that too

[wanton pendant]

Is friendship stronger then infernal insanity. The answer is as usual, yes.

[robust osprey]

the answer is no

[tropic oak]

i am John VCMM Lore

[jaunty wraith]

When im fighting John calamity and I hear the freedom motief

[robust osprey]

me when I'm fighting pumpking and I hear freedon motif

[wanton pendant]

Fools, Storm Weaver has the freedom motif.

[tropic oak]

pumpking does

[jaunty wraith]

Freedom motif vs draedon motif

[robust osprey]

which cal boss would fit for a secret shadow crystal boss

[lethal mirage]

they should make yharim cisphobic

[robust osprey]

pumpking does NOT count he's cheating

[lethal mirage]

that would make him more redeemable

[jaunty wraith]

Noxus

[wanton pendant]

Yharim is weak to gay people, he's obviously homophobic.

Also groomed an LGBT child to commit crimes.

[young socket]

empress of light because uhhh the fucks her deal????

[lethal mirage]

but hes trans

[wanton pendant]

Hey, she's just the messenger.

[robust osprey]

she wants to explode you that's enough reason

[tropic oak]

you know i had an idea about noxus

[jaunty wraith]

She somehow has a connection to primordial light and does a little trolling

[wanton pendant]

Transcended this mortal coil once I get my hands on him.

[young socket]

storm weaver could also be a good holder

left noxus for freedom n stuff

[tropic oak]

i think it would be fairly cool if we were to kill yharim, and suddenly, majoras mask style, a countdown ui would appear next to your map or something similar

and you had days before noxus bridged the realities

[robust osprey]

statis secret boss

potential man...

[tropic oak]

and was like “whats up motherfucker here i am”

[jaunty wraith]

Was storm weaver ever connected to noxus becides being from the same place?

[robust osprey]

that would be cool

[wanton pendant]

The question is is the Terrarian weak to gay too?

[tropic oak]

moderately terrifying

[young socket]

dog spoiler but its also like ten times bigger

[tropic oak]

like, think of

[young socket]

#spoilers message

this thingy

[tropic oak]

“impending doom approaches” but like

far fucking worse

[young socket]

storm weaver used to be part of noxus' hivemind until it somehow broke out

[robust osprey]

the time runs out and you're back to nearly defeating yharim

[jaunty wraith]

I thought it was just from the same place

[tropic oak]

you can genuinely introduce noxus in a multitude of terrifying ways, i just hope we somehow encounter it and suffer a scripted loss before we eventually going to the distortion to get revenge

[robust osprey]

yk with some fucked up dragon aerie time thing

[wanton pendant]

Goddess of Time has our backs.

[jaunty wraith]

Scripted loss cant happen cause hard-core runs are a thing

[tropic oak]

user doesnt know how programming works

anyway

[fierce pagoda]

FUCK hardcore

[young socket]

you beat dog and suddenly you see something in the background and attacks you once and you are left at one hp

[wanton pendant]

Now is not the time for that.

[robust osprey]

hear me out, you go there to get an important material for altar of the accursed or/and codebreaker, you get it and noxus inmediately kicks your ass out of there

[young socket]

and it just

leaves.

[tropic oak]

i would KILL for a distorted countdown visual

[robust osprey]

and when you come back you have minutes before noxus instakilling you

[wanton pendant]

Wraith of the Gods kinda has one.

With the whole rift of doom thing.

[tropic oak]

we do not talk about wotg in this holy discussion land

[young socket]

phase 3 dog but its not actually phase 3 of dog but its noxus chasing you through the distortion and you have to leave

🙏

[tropic oak]

avatar’s rift is based on boss progression

not a timer

[wanton pendant]

I was saying that it did the general idea.

Of foreshadowing the arrival of 'legally distinct noxus'

[tropic oak]

i want that purple (assumingly) motherfucker to scare the god given power out of us

[robust osprey]

that's actually a fire idea

[jaunty wraith]

What if noxus is like the water wraith, this force that hunts you through out the shadowlands

[wanton pendant]

You rang?

[jaunty wraith]

Your existence gave me the idea

[wanton pendant]

That's the neat part, I'm not anchored in your dimension.

[limpid saddle]

What if the Distortion is actually Pikmin 2 cave

[wanton pendant]

Peak.

Finally, Terraria but good.

[jaunty wraith]

Yet I can throw fat pikmin at you

[tropic oak]

the timer ends, a pre-boss track similar to that of the impending doom track would ring out across the game

it would be so undeniably sick

hire me immediately

[limpid saddle]

The question is

Who's Olimar?

[young socket]

WAIT

IS MRRPS ROLE COLOUR FUCKING

UNPLEASANT GRADIANT

[tropic oak]

yes

[robust osprey]

a countdown for terraria's expire

[limpid saddle]

who?

[tropic oak]

true

trueee

trueeeeee

[wanton pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVwmW91YPxA
You beat Yharim and this begins playing.

[young socket]

😭 😭 😭

[young socket]

admin in here

[wanton pendant]

Calamitas, she keeps getting knocked down into the dirt by destiny.

[tropic oak]

max. tsuki.

sscls for a moment if you could

[robust osprey]

or like stars above, you kill yharim, and then some days after some fucked up shit starts to happen in the world

oki

[jaunty wraith]

Damn this destiny bitch needs to go

[wanton pendant]

Terrarian is Louie.

I say that with certainty.

Who is Sacho then?

[limpid saddle]

Calamitas does seem like the kind of person to be stuck in a dead-end job with a wife & 2 kids

[wanton pendant]

Spiritually, that's where she's at.

[limpid saddle]

& have a co-worker she hates but keeps helping anyway

[wanton pendant]

At least she doesn't crash land every few weeks. Or maybe she does, we don't know what she does in her spare time.

[jaunty wraith]

Probably just lays im bed all day trying to cope her ptsd

[wanton pendant]

She lives in a cave.

So on the floor.

Her back must be in agony.

[tropic oak]

she lives in my very nice house i built for her

[wanton pendant]

After ten years or so of that.

[tropic oak]

:)

[limpid saddle]

Yeah she lives in the grand brimstone tower right next to the Sulphurous Sea what do you mean

with her loving father Permafrost & that bum the Wizard

[tropic oak]

true

[wanton pendant]

Making her look at the desiccated remains of a shore instead of the vibrant fields of the forest.

[limpid saddle]

No it's right next to as in in a forest but close enough if you walk all the way to the left the background changes to sulphurous sea & it looks awesome

[fleet wedge]

You know is she dead in calamity lore?

[limpid saddle]

i dont think there is a goddess of time

or a dragon of time or any equivalents

not last i heard anyway

[wanton pendant]

We need to go back in time to create the Dragon of Time, so a Goddess of Time can have our backs.

[limpid saddle]

closed time-loop ig