lore-discussion

[jaunty wraith]

Alright so hear me out, I may of found her pre ascension identity

[faint totem]

who

[real silo]

is this true

Wait this is like the exact same color scheme as my pfp

Am I......... providence....

[faint totem]

Who is that

I legit don’t know

[real silo]

It's

[inner surge]

Nicole. “Class of ‘09”

[faint totem]

Ah

[pliant ruin]

oh god

that game

💔

[real silo]

Class of 09 like

16 year old people

[inner surge]

Is there a lore reason bosses are respawnable?

[jaunty wraith]

No, infact you canonicly o ly fight once

With the exception of exo mechs

Oh and scal tpp

Too

[inner surge]

Yes yes. Friendly sparring. And I guess machines can be rebuilt.

But like… Devourer of Gods didn’t give me enough Cosmilite the first time, so where’d I get the rest?

Also, this is maybe a question for the Lore team themselves, but… how much of the future stuff is solid? Does Yharim have a lore item written? Does Xeroc’s bestiary entry already exist?

[jaunty wraith]

Thats just a gameplay thing

[real glen]

Cosmilite will no longer be dropped from DoG
Instead we will get the liquid of it in Distortion future

[jaunty wraith]

The liquid of it?

Does that mean we could drink it?

[sinful adder]

That would be weird

Anyways yeah cosmilite is naturally a liquid, like mercury, and it can be made solid... Somehow

[scenic olive]

entropy

[sinful adder]

That doesn't explain anything

[faint totem]

If you’re brave enough

[scenic olive]

the liquid crystallizes into a solid

decreasing entropy

[zenith geode]

decreasing what...............

[sinful adder]

That would make solid its natural state unless the ambient temperature of the distortion is hot enough to melt it

In which case all the other metals would be molten too presumably

And also DoG would be really weak to heat

[real glen]

it's cold iirc

[sinful adder]

Then it can't be "entropy"

Unless it's a weird backwards fluid where cold makes it liquid and hot makes it solid. I'm not sure if that can exist in real life, probably not

[scenic olive]

Im thinking that

[zenith geode]

distortion is fucked up

maybe its got evil entropy or smth

[scenic olive]

Cosmilite might be a non newtonian fluid

Turned solid

With minimal stress its malleable

but once u hit it with sudden force it hardens

[scenic olive]

If were going by distortion is its own separate pocket dimension then it might be the case

[glacial rampart]

no

he cant just rebuild those on a whim

[sinful adder]

Distortion is a region of space which is "broken" somehow

[glacial rampart]

auric is pretty good at emitting really strong "sudden force"....

[scenic olive]

The duality

[glacial rampart]

actually fire idea ?

cosmilite is a non-newtonian fluid and it was "forged" into stuff by being blasted with auric energy ?

[scenic olive]

that would lock it behind yharon lol

since auric ore only generate after his death

[sinful adder]

Cosmilite remains solid even when nothing is touching it

So like

I don't think it's that

More likely it's an alloy with something else

[glacial rampart]

this is glorpshit

[scenic olive]

I meant like cosmilite bar has the unique property of being like a soft metal but hardens when a sudden burst of blunt force hits it then it goes back being soft

i remember something about draedon saying cosmilite was malleable

[hot valve]

can you imagine just very slowly pushing your hand though DoG's armour to get him

[scenic olive]

like rubber

[long bloom]

he said it's elastic

[scenic olive]

Stretchy metal

Sounds like a fun stress toy

[sinful adder]

Oh so not liquid, just malleable

[scenic olive]

But u can hear clank of metal when u hit dog armor

[scenic olive]

So i theorize this

[long bloom]

in the distortion update, raw cosmilite will be a liquid that you process into the metal

maybe

[glacial rampart]

would also maybe explain some way of DoG puts the armor on

[sinful adder]

Yeah, but then what is the "processing" that happens to make it that way?

Who knows

[long bloom]

if the idea gets in the mod, it'll be using the endothermic energy and nightmare fuel replacements

that's all we know

[scenic olive]

hmm endothermic

[real glen]

Also, the buffed moon events shifting to Distortion

[long bloom]

they're just getting deleted entirely

there's no point

[real glen]

[scenic olive]

[sinful adder]

More accurately, the buffs are getting deleted and whatever replaces the drops (nightmare fuel and endothermic energy) will be moved

[vague jacinth]

the two games in that seriously were pretty good, shame there was never a third game

[faint totem]

Was there actually never a third game or was the third game just complete and utter rancid dogshit

[vague jacinth]

there was never a third game, sad...

[faint totem]

Damn. How bad was it

[vague jacinth]

fighting malice brain has less torture than that game

it was legit just torture p*rn

[faint totem]

That sounds hellish

[faint totem]

Wow. Just. Wow.

[vague jacinth]

not in an nsfw way

[faint totem]

There’s an sfw way to be torture 🌽?

[jaunty wraith]

Have you seen spongebob?

[faint totem]

Yeah, why

[vague jacinth]

I just didn't know if you'd heard of the term that's all

[jaunty wraith]

There are episodes that are dedicated to squidward torture

[faint totem]

It’s 🌽 about torture

[faint totem]

Ah.

[vague jacinth]

it's basically when a character has bad things happen to them repeatedly for no good reason

[jaunty wraith]

Most notably in season 6-8 in the scumbob era

[faint totem]

Ah. So that just the entirety of the game?

[vague jacinth]

or that time security took control of squidwards house

[jaunty wraith]

Yeah, that and feet

[vague jacinth]

half of it, the other half...

[faint totem]

Feet?

[vague jacinth]

yes

[faint totem]

What do you mean feet? Foot fetishes?

[vague jacinth]

yes

[faint totem]

Ah

That sucks

[jaunty wraith]

So yeah flipside was a disappointment and we dont aknowlage it

[vague jacinth]

terrible fangame

also the creator of the games is just a piece of shit

[faint totem]

Shove it right with the matrix sequels and Bioshock 2

[alpine jetty]

bro what is happening in here

[jaunty wraith]

We are dissing class of 09 flipside

[tropic oak]

lore discussion

[pastel gazelle]

calamitas eats spam (real) (official)

(this is based on my stupid headcanon on Azafurian cuisine being similar to Hawai'ian cuisine, and the fact it isn't implausible, and that as a poor child in Azafure, Calamitas probably wouldn't have been able to get expensive fresh meat and they almost certainly would have the technology for canning.)

When the SSO comes out I will reassess Ilmeran (Ilmerian?) cuisine.

[balmy glacier]

ilmerballs

[pastel gazelle]

I think those are called pearls

[balmy glacier]

valid

[pastel gazelle]

...where do pirates fit into Calamity lore? My personal headcanon is that many of them were former crusaders for Yharim who abandoned the crusade due to not being paid enough and then, as often happened historically to underpaid soldiers/mercenaries, turned to petty banditry.

Because the end of the crusades did not seem like an organized or well-coordinated thing, and it seems very plausible that a lot of people would find themselves effectively jobless on short notice when they simply weren't being told to invade anywhere new and probably weren't being paid to invade anywhere new also.

[tropic oak]

...where do pirates fit into Calamity lore?
yarrr

hope that helps

[zenith geode]

they come from the pirate continent like how goblins come from the goblin continent trust me i am definitely a lorewriter 100% true this post was fact checked by real lesbians true confirmed it is 0% false

[tropic oak]

this is verifiable

[pastel gazelle]

that is true! it is a verifiable statement. Not verified, per se, but definitely verifiable.

[static musk]

i was looking at the lore items and who is zeratros?? its mentioned in prelude, requium, and yharon

[deft vessel]

The king of the dragons and the dragon of primordial light

Xeroc consumed his soul to ascend

[limpid saddle]

well yeah what blob said

thats who he was

[static musk]

ooooooohhhh okay

i really need to touch up on all the lore

[split mortar]

chat how would zeratros taste

[split mortar]

😭

[limpid saddle]

fixed it

[wheat walrus]

Both work

[limpid saddle]

true

[hoary berry]

Zeratros soul water

[long bloom]

it would just taste like that water with lemons in it

[wheat walrus]

Waterlemon

Like

Watermelon

LIKE

MELON

LIKE MELON GUN

[split mortar]

I feel sorry for any mods who see thsi

[wheat walrus]

do it melon gun

stare at us telling us to eat bosses and start wars

you don't like glorp do you

[split mortar]

Its an overdone joke at this point and im sure the reason its still so prevalent in sscls is due ti me doing a bit when its used
Not that creative of a joke either, green alien cat now laugh

[wheat walrus]

Yea so

[wheat walrus]

Do this

eat bosses start wars

[gritty kraken]

Crabulon

[pliant ruin]

damn what the hell happened in this chat while i was gone

[real glen]

lmao

[split mortar]

Melon gun

[wheat walrus]

Get that Teto tag out yo profile 💔

[real glen]

then why are you still here

[wheat walrus]

@cloud ibex obliterate this fraudulence

No mercy

[tall delta]

um lol?

[wheat walrus]

You're not Teto 💔

[real glen]

wompwomp

[magic epoch]

you can just leave ?

[wheat walrus]

Come here then :p

No balls

[magic epoch]

it's not hard bro

in case you needed help

[wheat walrus]

Difficulty is subjective I'm afraid

And it seems like this one has a skill issue

[gritty kraken]

Is there gif perm in this channel

[magic epoch]

entertainingly not a bot

[wheat walrus]

Sentenced to Raviente at HR2

[wheat walrus]

Only images

[split mortar]

No embeds just image perms

[gritty kraken]

good

[random mulch]

thank you mods

[split mortar]

Tried contacting mod mail but i cant for some reason

[wheat walrus]

The user is dead it seems anyways

[real glen]

wth 🥀

[young socket]

you need to have dms from non friends enabled

[random mulch]

my ticket apparently did get through

[young socket]

theres an entire section on how to use staff mail in #info

[magic epoch]

iwthink they're drad

;3-;

dead

[split mortar]

I contacted modmail before so i guess i forgor that detail oops

[gritty kraken]

Dradon

[random mulch]

well then

how many calories are in an exo prism

[wheat walrus]

billions at minimum

[spring helm]

Unlimited calories

No other nutritional value

[dusk laurel]

😭

weve never been more joever

[deft vessel]

I think he would taste like Zeratros

[split mortar]

Top 5 tastiest auric dragons/gods

[long bloom]

agnus 🤤

[wooden shadow]

Hi Laios

[proven rivet]

1. Slime God

I mean it's literally Gelatine

[robust osprey]

how does slime taste

[sinful adder]

Depends on the slime

I imagine most of them taste like mold but some taste good

[faint totem]

It’s filled with crimson and corruption tho.

[split mortar]

Slime god is pure

The paladins are filled with evil biomes

Case of outdated sprite

[faint totem]

Ohhhh

[limpid saddle]

Yeah theres a new sprite where she's purple & has an eye in the centre that looks around all worried & frantic

[dusk laurel]

sg's core isnt purple...

[robust osprey]

new sprite

[split mortar]

Its a off blue

[limpid saddle]

looked purple last i saw it

[dusk laurel]

its like a really light blue

[limpid saddle]

like a dull purple

[robust osprey]

where can I see it

thats gray

[split mortar]

Grey dull blue

[limpid saddle]

ok yeah fair enough misremembered

[wanton pendant]

Slime God looks like it's about to burst into tears. Well, since we'd be butchering its servants, makes sense.

[jolly edge]

i like the eye, its very eye

[robust osprey]

why is the eye eyeing

[jolly edge]

slime

[long bloom]

sloome

[real glen]

fun fact this color appears if you mix both crimson and corruption color paint with brush in real life

[long bloom]

oh neat

[light linden]

So random thing

I've heard mention of a "Yharmy" event

What part of his army would we be fighting?

The Godseeker knights?

[robust osprey]

some dead dudes

[light linden]

?

Not all of his army is dead

[robust osprey]

me when the undead gauntlet event features dead people

[light linden]

I think we're thinking of different things

[robust osprey]

I heard something about a lihzahrd (?

[light linden]

You're talking about the SSO stuff

[robust osprey]

yharmy is undead gauntlet thing iirc

[split mortar]

@dusk laurel john spoilers tell yur truths

[real glen]

girl...
Isn't it yharim's army event
I may be wrong

[robust osprey]

I mean you'd be fighting old af dudes if not

[cloud ibex]

i think i remember triangle at the very least talking about meeting some of yharim's soldiers

one of which was a lihzahrd

[dusk laurel]

generally its high end soldiers and godseeker knights in his army, although itd be better to ask triangle

[real glen]

yharim army
yharim army
yharmy

[cloud ibex]

don't remember if it was actual event plans or if it was a "iunno if this is happening but if it was this is something i'd like to see in it" typa thing

[real silo]

The undead gauntlet is the sunken sea people not yharim's army

[robust osprey]

a crazy lihzahrd that gives colateral damage

[robust osprey]

buh

got em mixed up

my bad

[light linden]

I

[real silo]

that's right your bad..

[light linden]

The incineration was only like

[cloud ibex]

YOUR TOO BAD

[dusk laurel]

itll work similar to the undead gauntlet where yeah theres normal enemies but the main focus are the miniboss-like enemies

[light linden]

A decade ago in lore

We don't know when/if Yharim stopped recruiting

[real silo]

Just because the crusade lasted 100 years doesn't mean the godseekers are actually over 100 years old

[robust osprey]

[real silo]

they could've been born within those 100 years

[light linden]

Some might be

Permafrost is like 400 lmao

[real silo]

Yea well I'm saying they might not be

[light linden]

Hell uh

[real silo]

Permafrost is far from a normal dude

Neither is yharim

[light linden]

The Godseeker Knight in my add on is supposed to be 53

[real silo]

That's a more reasonable age

[dusk laurel]

permafrost is NOT a good example hes literally partially frozen

[light linden]

Yes but he's also using magic

[real glen]

so true
Like who would freeze body to live longer

[spring helm]

Honestly an entire family line could have been Godseeker’s, it went on that long

[light linden]

Magic that other people could use to live longer

Not everyone

Also Draedon's technology likely extended the effective lifespan of people in general

Hell from what I know Draedon would give advanced prosthetics to Godseeker Knights who lost limbs in combat

[dusk laurel]

i can see his soldiers being up to like 80-90 before they retire

[light linden]

....lemme check where that was stated actually it's been a while

[faint totem]

I wanna turn Yharon into a nice juicy bucket of KFD

Kentucky Fried Dragon

[real silo]

yea

I'm not saying there's no way any of the godseeker knights can live past 120, I'm just saying most were probably not that old

[dusk laurel]

yerpp

[real silo]

50 is considered old irl

120 is practically ancient

[light linden]

Btw

[young socket]

@spring helm

[light linden]

Speaking of the Godseeker Knights, have we gotten any more info about how any of em got their position?

[dusk laurel]

norp

[light linden]

Shame

Still not sure on how I wanna do the specifics of my add-on Knight becoming one tbh

[real silo]

Popcorn is not 120 popcorn is 1233

[spring helm]

💥

[real silo]

popcorn is older than trees

[real silo]

Do you need to specify

[light linden]

Rn their story is they survived for a long time in single combat against the profaned guardians before getting the Darth Maul treatment

But idk if that makes sense

[real silo]

Is that how they got appointed as a knight?

[spring helm]

Iirc Godseeker knights get T4 arsenal gear

[light linden]

Yeah they got promoted for surviving so long despite having inferior equipment

[spring helm]

So you can expect them to be fighting at post-providence level

[light linden]

Yeah the fight against them is meant to be around Old Duke in progression

[spring helm]

I’d say pre-providence then would be the ballpark of where someone’s strength is enough to get them recognized

Which is nuts because that would mean Yharim’s elite soldiers are stronger than most gods

[real silo]

Yharim has all these post provi level knights but he still can't kill provi

Washed as fuck

[light linden]

It's because she's a coward

[real glen]

Why does boss taste conversation keeps appearing

[real silo]

Sounds like excuses on his part...

[light linden]

It's literally the only reason she could've survived

Amidias also says she fled

So it isn't just Yharim propoganda

[real silo]

Nuh uh I will believe that yharim is washed

It's about maintaining the agenda

[light linden]

Tbf he kinda is

[spring helm]

No

Yharim is top 2 in the verse!!!!

He scales past your mom

[light linden]

But he's also trying to bonk a giant moth that is both running and teleporting away with a sword

[light linden]

And an old lady scales higher than number 1

[spring helm]

Lmao

I remember that

[real silo]

The nefarious ranged arsenal weapons

also yharim totally uses tyranny's end

[long bloom]

nice colors

[limpid saddle]

those are some cool sprites

[real silo]

Edited sprite smh

[real glen]

[manic coral]

not nessesarily?

[spring helm]

is it a case of us not knowing how to properly make the gear so we substitute with much stronger materials then?

[manic coral]

like having a sniper rifle doesn't automatically make you a better aim than somebody who uses a pistol

and also that too

i'd say some of the higher end godseeker knights COULD beat providence, yeah

but definitly not all of them

[hoary cape]

i wonder if provi has actually even fought any of yharim's forces or if she just stayed hidden throughout his crusade

[manic coral]

oh she definitly did

multiple times

[hoary cape]

what about sg lol

bro doesn't seem like the type to fight though

except us for some reason

[manic coral]

even if there was like two dozen people or so that could realistically beat her that was in the crusade. that still means there's, like, a million people she could kill instantly

[limpid saddle]

Oh seriously?

Damn the Veteran Godseekers are busted

[manic coral]

like the i'd say ~20-30 people who COULD beat her can't exactly be everywhere in the world at once

[hoary cape]

they are wearing post provi gear of course they can beat her

[manic coral]

.

[hoary cape]

twas a joke

i know

[manic coral]

ah

fair

listne im at the point where soemtimes i cant tell what is and isnt a joke in this community sometimes

so i jsut automatically take everything seriously

to be safe

[tropic oak]

holy moly is that cei calamity

[hoary cape]

provi has been doing this for hundresds of years longer than yharim and his forces, so i would imagine she has a lot more experience in fighting then them

but yah

i wonder who the last god was to get their soul

[limpid saddle]

thats reasonable at this point

[hoary cape]

if i use stuff i am joking

either that or /j or jk

but yah

sometimes i forget though

[supple bluff]

Does progression in game generally follow the strength ranking of the characters in the lore?

[sinful adder]

Yes

[supple bluff]

👍

[sinful adder]

The last god was supposed to be yharim, but someone else would have been instead. I also wonder who that was.

[supple bluff]

Also are sorcerers born in the world or can any human learn to wield magic? What made Perma so spacial?

Well actually the first question kinda answered itself since we can learn magic but using the terrarian as a base for reason seems very loose for arguments sake

But also scal was presumably born like that since she was like a teen when found?

Also gonna pile on another question. When we fight cryogen is that Perma fighting us or does the ice prison vaguely take control over him? Why is he fighting us? Wouldn't he want us to free him?

[wheat walrus]

The Questioner

[split mortar]

Ive started this as well

[supple bluff]

You must've not seen me here before :))) (I ask a stupid amount of very stupid questions)

[split mortar]

Magic is not biological

Seen with calclone

[supple bluff]

I thought that would be an example of biological magic since she was just a clone of a sorcerer

[random mulch]

draedon says that the clone had no magic initially, it only got some after calamitas broke her out

[split mortar]

Brimstone elemental nah calcium elemental that why scal got so much magic

[random mulch]

brimstone is the archaic name for sulfur

sulfur elemental

new calamity superboss: arsenic elemental

[icy veldt]

Uranium elemental (Draedon created it as an attempted imitation of the elementals)

[split mortar]

@manic coral is sunken scourge closer related to desert scourge then aquatic scourge

[limpid saddle]

Covering this one because it's easy, Permafrosts seal has a bunch of protective spells on it (like Ceaseless Void) that means it actually fights people to prevent it's destruction

[limpid saddle]

As Melon Gun said but to make it a bit more cut & dry SCal was not born with any natural magic, she was however, capable of absorbing the magic of the Brimstone Elemental & wielding it as her own, which is what she did

It seems like her ability to do this is genetic or something, but the ability to intake large quantities of it isnt, as proven by Calamitas Clone only being able to take in such a limited quantity of Brimstone Magic before her mind broke

[supple bluff]

Ah gotcha, thanks

[glacial rampart]

what is sunken scourge 🛜

[zenith geode]

enemy from sso

[split mortar]

New sunken sea enemy

[zenith geode]

its a little scourge

[split mortar]

We only have design of it back when ds was gonna be wrench

[icy veldt]

Would removing CalClone's entire skeleton help restore her sanity?

[long bloom]

yknow that might actually work

[icy veldt]

She'd need to be just a bunch of organs in a life-support vat, so not having a skeleton doesn't kill her, but at least her magic would be gone!

[long bloom]

metal skeleton

[icy veldt]

"We remove your skeleton now, and get you a new metal skeleton within two weeks"

Anyway, that's how I lost my medical license

[calm patio]

your skeleton is now mine

[lofty apex]

Wait is leviathan in a homosexual relationship with moon lord?

[calm patio]

no?

[lofty apex]

Oh ok so leviathan kinda just goons alone then got it!

Thanks!

[calm patio]

leviathan is a female

smh

iirc

[long bloom]

yeag

[lofty apex]

Ok and what if moon lord is a female too

Just cuz her tits are out doesn’t mean moon lord is male

[calm patio]

dude

[dusk laurel]

????

[calm patio]

the fuck are you on

r/calamtitty is on the right

[long bloom]

i don't think moonlord has a comprehensible gender

[lofty apex]

meaning I am CORRECT to assume moon lord and leviathan are in a homosexual relationship

BOOM!

[calm patio]

yeah

wheres your source theyre

[lofty apex]

my source is

wikipedia

[calm patio]

let me gues

[glass birch]

tgis is true im signing this petition

[lofty apex]

also, yharim is an emo twink Bc it says so somewhere in the game

[calm patio]

no yharim is transmasc

[lofty apex]

ohh ok

[long bloom]

TRUE

[pliant ruin]

fuckass weird user

[visual kiln]

fuckass weird user

explode

[pliant ruin]

explode

[visual kiln]

fuckass weird user

[pliant ruin]

fuckass weird user

[visual kiln]

fuckass weird user

YAYYYYYYYYYYYY'

noooooo

fuckass weird user

YAYYYYYYYY

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[brazen coral]

Cut it out, man

Keep it on topic and avoid talkin about weird shit

[real glen]

this conversation sucks....

[visual kiln]

real

[hoary cape]

I am sending you all to the quantum realm

Where you will work 24 hours a day doing the worst job known to exist. Your form of payment will be coupons for places that no longer exist

[visual kiln]

what! why

[hoary cape]

You know why

Criminal

What are you even talking about

[brazen coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[gritty kraken]

Is this conversation real

[brazen coral]

okay buddy guy into the meat grinder

[dusk laurel]

no its not real and calamity doesnt even have a page on wikipedia

[hoary cape]

User has been obliterated

You can all go back to your scheduled lore talk

I am stealing prikki's glory even though he banned them 😂

[visual kiln]

fuckass weird user 💔

ok new lore

whats ur favourite lore

[hoary cape]

Azafurian Walmart /j

[visual kiln]

woa

azamart

[hoary cape]

Scal worked there at 11 before brimmy showed up and started throwing hands

It got destroyed and scal decided to be a hero

[spring helm]

Most Azafurians can’t say “purple burglar alarm”

[hoary cape]

Despite company policy

[lyric latch]

question i found myself thinking about in regards to the new lore/general power rankings

if Yharim did absorb Yharon's auric soul, how strong would he be a) compared to his current self, and b) compared to Noxus/Fovos/Xeroc

[spring helm]

probably weaker than he is now tbh

[lyric latch]

and tangentially related question why does absorbing an auric soul make you stronger than the soul's progenitor

i.e. why is xeroc so much more unfathomably stronger than zeratros after absorbing his soul

[gritty kraken]

zeratos didn’t grind

[lyric latch]

wouldn't the soul's original owner naturally possess the soul's power

oh yeah i guess xeroc had like

centuries to get swole

[glacial rampart]

probably weaker compared to his current self

hes been grinding for the last like 90 years

dunno if he would have been doing that had he become a god

[sinful adder]

Hey I remember hearing that SSO was estimated to be ready some time relatively soon but was that late this year or early next year?

Or am I misremembering and there is actually no estimate at all

[long bloom]

the previous estimate was "hopefully this year" but now there's no estimate at all really

[plucky juniper]

You think that's awful?

[sinful adder]

I see

[hoary cape]

Depends on what you think the worst job in existence is

You get no breaks

And are always hungry and tired, but unable to sleep or eat (though you don't need food to survive you just always are hungry)

[sinful adder]

Sounds similar to how a lot of people already live

[hoary cape]

Yes, but it's for eternity and you never age

[real glen]

melon gun do you know how did prov live during crusade

[jaunty wraith]

What the hell happened here?

[split mortar]

Slimegods tactic of run the fuck away iirc

[eager bluff]

essentially yeah

[untold oracle]

Provi’s strategy was to never directly confront, but instead to appear above the enemy army, blow them up, and disappear before anyone can react based on what I’ve heard
Also it is reasonable to believe that Yharim wanted to keep specifically her alive while killing all the other gods due to how fucked up she is to "prove" how awful all gods are (essentially propagandising her existence)

[scenic olive]

He would no longer be able to use the armor

his body would still change to withstand Yharon soul even though its super jacked up

Yeah he might end up weaker because of that

[fleet wedge]

Unrelated but holy crap how and why did the hat fly away like that

[random mulch]

bbc nature documentary but for calamity creatures when

[fleet wedge]

"Here, we see an eldritch horror beyond our comprehension in their natural habitat..."

[random mulch]

the sunken sea creaturas are very comprehensible

[fleet wedge]

I'm talking about Jared

[split mortar]

Jared is very much comprehensible

[random mulch]

jared is big and spooky but not incomprehensible

[robust osprey]

jared is big worm that eats sharks with arms probably

that's comprehensible

[pliant ruin]

jared is a filter feeder i'm like pretty sure

atleast normal eidolon wyrms are

in fact im pretty sure its the opposite and reaper sharks eat them

[cosmic zenith]

Gloomborf

[long bloom]

TRUE

[pliant ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-alerted-horse-gif-16336030350313419753

gif perms tragedy..

i can fix this

[scenic olive]

Eidolon wyrm are filter feeders

whattt

[cosmic zenith]

Beware of the woman who speaks in gifs

[scenic olive]

How do eidolon wyrm reproducs

Do they lay eggs

[long bloom]

the man who speaks in gifs is tobias

[light linden]

Hi stip

May I ask a question about Draedon?

[pliant ruin]

I imagine so

They're like dragons right so they're probably reptiles of some sort

Though tbf some reptiles give live birth and giving live birth is generally better for open ocean creature sso

Maybe they do that

[dusk laurel]

sso

[long bloom]

🤯

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[long bloom]

god damnit did they dm you again

[cosmic zenith]

Not yet

[real glen]

so terrible
sand shark turning like this after infected by corruption

[hoary cape]

It's eye be spinning

[magic epoch]

why does the eye do that though

[faint totem]

Eye B A L L S

[real silo]

safety

[dusk laurel]

the corruption turning everything into a worm-like cyclops version of itself with the signature mandibles

[magic epoch]

why are the slimes safe

[faint totem]

And eyeballs for some reason

[magic epoch]

give me slimes with creepy eyes

[faint totem]

They eat it

[random mulch]

what about the underworld

[real glen]

Yeah uh I just realized that
Might expand

[grave leaf]

who is the person who describes the history of the boss when you kill it or is it explained later in the game

[long bloom]

yharim

also no it's not really explained

but it's yharim

[magic epoch]

you can definitely figure it out though

[random mulch]

aka john "final boss that's not in the game yet" calamity

[magic epoch]

through in-game text if you actually read

[mighty zenith]

it would def be easier to figure out if he was actually in the game

[random mulch]

his name isnt said much in the game either

[long bloom]

yeah just twice in post yharon items, once in post yharon amidias help dialogue, and in draetalk

so all at the very fucking end of the game

[tropic oak]

John Finality

[young socket]

wulfrum bestiary entries

[faint totem]

Wulfrum should be solar powered

[light linden]

random thing

y'all think a corrupted or crimsoned sulphurous sea would be worse to live in?

[faint totem]

Yes?

[light linden]

I said or

[faint totem]

I don’t think either would fuck with the sulf sea

[faint totem]

I sent that right after you said the question

[light linden]

oh

mb

[long bloom]

crimson

i don't want to imagine what flesh sand feels like

[faint totem]

Corruption would probably give it more eyes

[faint totem]

Crimson deserts.

[long bloom]

would corruption or crimson smell worse

diseased flesh or rotting flesh

[split mortar]

Rotting diseased flesh vs exposed diseased flesh
I think corruption

[faint totem]

We kinda already established crim has a better athstetic, no?

[light linden]

I prefer the hallow

[real glen]

growing crystals diseased flesh

[faint totem]

I meant of the vanilla evil biomes.

[light linden]

...?

[limpid saddle]

the hallow is a vanilla evil biome

but it is true this discussion is just about the corruption & crimson

[faint totem]

I don’t really consider it an evil biome tbh. It’s sorta doing it’s own thing

[limpid saddle]

what you consider isnt really relevant against objective fact

it is an evil biome, it spreads like an evil biome, it spawns unique enemies like an evil biome, it has dedicated soul drops like an evil biome

[split mortar]

-# hell in vanilla its evil due to how much it wants purity to a murderous degree

[limpid saddle]

Yup, that too

[long bloom]

it's like providence but sparklier

[limpid saddle]

It's a unique kind of corruption but a corruption nonetheless

[split mortar]

Its like old lore providence but biome and glittery

[limpid saddle]

Though it is true the discussion was between corruption & crimson

[light linden]

ngl

[limpid saddle]

speaking of, yeah, crimson is probably worse

[light linden]

I wonder if a hallowed sunken sea would be blinding irl

so much water, glowing crystals, and reflective sand

[limpid saddle]

the monsters are alot more actively murderous & less stupid

[faint totem]

I mostly think of it as separate because it’s hardmode exclusive.

[limpid saddle]

& also flesh sand & blood water

or i guess like ichor water

which makes me think of like pus

& thats nasty

sure both is gonna give you a disease if you drink it but ones alot grosser than the other

[long bloom]

no crimson water is red

not yellow

it's watery blood

[limpid saddle]

I'd believe it if there was pus in there

or just generally in the crimson given all the flesh

[hasty canopy]

is fargo canon in the calamity cinematic universe

[split mortar]

Only the base calamity mod is canon to calamitys lore
Addons or other mods may have it in their canon but they do not affect the canon of the source material

[hasty canopy]

so it is, in fact, canon to the ccu

thanks

[split mortar]

Never heard of the ccu before

[hasty canopy]

the calamiverse

where all calamity universes merge together to fight the big bad of the story

[mighty zenith]

❌

[hasty canopy]

and no it's not yharim

yharim is actually the leader of the calengers

[split mortar]

Ah yes john racist genocide maniac is the leader

[hasty canopy]

true

EXCEPT

[light linden]

what the hell have I come back to

[split mortar]

Idfk

[hasty canopy]

he is, in fact, a brave leader

one oculd say he could forge a brand new world

[light linden]

speaking of the avengers

[split mortar]

Yeah ofcourse the guys brave
He still groomed a child to commit warcrimes

[light linden]

what marvel and dc heroes do y'all think yharim would hate/like the most?

[hasty canopy]

yeah and hulk killed people

doesn't make him different does it

[split mortar]

Killing people is different to killing half the planet

[light linden]

hulk doesn't go on a genocide in the mcu

[hasty canopy]

killing half the planet means killing people

[light linden]

some variants have I think

[hasty canopy]

and hulk did both

[jolly edge]

he'd hate thor

[split mortar]

Still who would work with yharim

And if the world was in danger then xeroc would show up and be active

Who can like oneshot yharim

[light linden]

I feel like he'd be like how punisher is to cap

[hasty canopy]

he'd hate doom but because he'd be a rival to him

and doom would hate him in exchange

mutual hate

[light linden]

where punisher likes cap a lot but cap thinks he's a psychopathic hypocrite

[hasty canopy]

toxic yaoi

[split mortar]

Yharim already has that with draedon

[hasty canopy]

trouple

[split mortar]

Yharon:

[light linden]

I feel like yharim would immediately want to club loki over the head with his sword

not even because he's a god

[hasty canopy]

yharon would be the supporting dog

[hasty canopy]

yeah prolly cuz he just pisses him off

btw how would an interaction between draedon and ultron go?

[jolly edge]

toxic yaoi divorce

[light linden]

draedon would call him a dumbass

[split mortar]

Who even is the “villain” of whatever that is

[light linden]

ultron would be uh

annoyed

[hasty canopy]

and ask him to kill himself

[light linden]

and likely jealous

[hasty canopy]

but since he's a bot too

he would slighly respect him

[light linden]

since draedon is basically just better ultron

[hasty canopy]

is he?

[split mortar]

Yeah draedon would just see the guy as dumb according to one of the writers

[hasty canopy]

ultron could dominate entire planets

unless you speak about m-she-u one (am sorry i had to do it) then yeah

[hasty canopy]

yea basically

[light linden]

smarter than ultron, actually invents his own tech, isn't a hostile hypocritical megalomaniac, and actually knows when to stay down

hell draedon made a better version of the ultron virus

[hasty canopy]

shit you're right

[light linden]

and actually made it himself unlike ultron who just stole the blueprints from people he genocided

[split mortar]

The calamity universe just has less power creep then marvel and draedon can still take over the planet without really any issue unless xeroc steps in

[hasty canopy]

"i could conquer the world and kill people for shit and giggles but i won't cuz i'm a chill guy"

[light linden]

like the only thing ultron even has an advantage over draedon is in access to fancy materials

e.g. mysterium and vibranium

even then I doubt ultron could fight the exos easily

[split mortar]

Depends on version

[light linden]

hell uh

[hasty canopy]

ultron could still hack the exos for himself tho

can't he?

[split mortar]

Some ultrons are gonna be busted
Some prob get stomped

[light linden]

idt mysterium would work like at all

draedon doesn't do much magic himself right?

[light linden]

sure but like

I doubt draedon wouldn't notice

[split mortar]

If the exos have a way to download data active during fight yeah
And also yeah draedon counterhack

[hasty canopy]

he'd just create an anti virus atp

[light linden]

also draedon more than likely could make them shutdown before then

[hasty canopy]

sooooo

both lose?

[light linden]

no

[split mortar]

Mayhapse idk

[light linden]

draedon would win

[split mortar]

Depends on ultron version

[light linden]

even if the exos are hacked in time uh

[limpid saddle]

this was a weird thing to read

[jolly edge]

drae definitely has experience with losing control of his machines

[split mortar]

Some would just delete that half the galaxy i think

[light linden]

draedon still has the damn pulse rifle

[light linden]

not really

[hasty canopy]

suicidal thoughts started to develop even more when i started writing this shit

[light linden]

the only time one did was because yharim broke it out

also there's a very real possibility of uh

[hasty canopy]

ultron still has smth to directly defend himslef tho doesn't he?

[light linden]

draedon just poking ultron with an exo prism and ultron just shorting out

[limpid saddle]

& the only other time was a thing he complained about because he couldnt make the bloodthristy souls of the yharmy listen to him & they just fucked around burning down orphanages & shit

[light linden]

wdym

[hasty canopy]

oh you really want that exo prisme do you oooohhhh you want him soo bad"

[light linden]

that was literally what he was told to make

he was told to make new bodies for the souls of yharim's forces

not to make them robotic slaves

[limpid saddle]

yeah nevermind i think i misinterpreted something

i recall him noting that souls are difficult to work with

[light linden]

draedon said he didn't like them because he prefers his creations to serve

and not have free will

[hasty canopy]

nice river you posted there

[limpid saddle]

ok so im not misremembering that line of research leading to the plauge right?

for inducing absolute control in organic life

huh, actually that makes me think

I wonder what happens to the souls of Plauge victims

[light linden]

Straight from the draetalk
"Fueled by the loyalty of the Godseeker's fallen soldiers, my machines were fearsome and ruthless. Harnessing the meshed combat experience of a thousand lifetimes, their battlefield prowess was self-evident. However, this same source of strength proved to be a flaw, as the unified will that gave them their might also made them volatile and not subject to my commands. While Yharim thoroughly approved, I sought to remove this imperfection from my designs via future projects."

[jolly edge]

what if they're still there, just unable to control their plagued bodies

[light linden]

this is getting into philosophy but uh

most/all plague victims are non-sapient animals

and idk if they have souls

[limpid saddle]

well we'll just have to wait & see for a dev statement

[light linden]

on whether animals have souls

[limpid saddle]

because i forget if the plauge is capable of affecting sentient life

or if it's like a Hive Mind situation where only stupid idiot morons fall for it

[light linden]

hey @cosmic zenith I got another question about the plague

no it isn't about the armor plating

[pliant ruin]

I'm pretty sure all living beings have souls

In terraria canon

[cosmic zenith]

Sure

[pliant ruin]

Regardless of what you think about it in real life

[limpid saddle]

oh neat

[light linden]

is it?

[limpid saddle]

not used to that quick of a response time

[pliant ruin]

Given all the random enemies we kill in either evil biomes or hallow drop souls

And i don't think uh

Slimes are sapient

[limpid saddle]

well i mean, at least one of them are

[light linden]

still can't believe I bothered the lore devs so much that the head dev answered that question

[pliant ruin]

Also plenty of undead enemies based of just random animals rather than like people and i assume things would need a soul to be undead and necromancy n stuff maybe

[light linden]

@cosmic zenith this is the question

[icy veldt]

Probably. If I remember correctly, the nano-plague sort-of hijacks the body and builds a bunch of cybernetic war-augmentations onto it. So assuming that it doesn't touch the brain, or perhaps connects into it and uses it for processing power, then the plague victim will still be alive, and suffering horribly

[jolly edge]

thats horrifying and i love it

[cosmic zenith]

Sentient? Yes, obviously

Sapient? Probably, but it's usually harder

[limpid saddle]

good to know

reminds me of that time me & some other guy envisioned the Plauge hijacking Calamitas Clone's body as a new boss

[cosmic zenith]

I assume sapience isn't of much use to the Plague

It invariably calls the shots, making thoughtfulness redundant

[light linden]

I thought it'd take over plantera eventually

[cosmic zenith]

Would take a goooood while, if it's even possible

[limpid saddle]

Weird ask but can it take over corpses as well?

If so, how far into necrosis does a specimen have to go before being unusable

[split mortar]

Would the plague be able to control plantera like at all due to the fucked up soul shittery up with it

[light linden]

no idea

I just think the idea is cool

[cosmic zenith]

Yes, but why would it?

Corpses are terrible pawns

[split mortar]

How smart or sapient is the plague

[limpid saddle]

Well depending on necrosis like i said, if you got a fresh corpse or even one a little older, given how much the Plauge scoops out, replaces, & overwrites, I imagine it would basically function as normal

[cosmic zenith]

The effort to replace is usually not worth the investment

[cosmic zenith]

It's not sapient, but it is a pretty smart and versatile AI

[split mortar]

could it become sapient

[haughty seal]

what is the purpose of the plague? or is it just a little science experiment?

oh if it was made during the crusade it was probably for that

[long bloom]

draedon infused the mech bosses with souls to make them more powerful, but they went rogue. since then, he's sought to make a virus that allows him to have absolute control over things

[jolly edge]

draedon looking at an ecosystem that hasn't been tampered with yet (he needs to cause irreparable damage to it)

[icy veldt]

Maybe it could wire itself into the brain and use it as additional processing power

[faint totem]

What even is the difference between sentience and sapience

[icy veldt]

I assume it just ignores the brain, leaving the person unable to control their own body

[icy veldt]

Sentience = animal-level, able to feel/sense (Lat. sentire "to feel")
Sapience = person-level, able to reason (Lat. sapire "to be wise")

[cosmic zenith]

^

[icy veldt]

Sci-fi writers get it wrong all the time 😔

[faint totem]

Ohhhhh

[icy veldt]

That's why humans are Homo sapiens and not Homo sentiens

[long bloom]

tldr:
sentient = conscious
sapient = intelligent

[ruby heart]

well some (one of them) could be really old

but yea their ages are very diverse, not all are ancient

[ruby heart]

the yharmy i was planning on would be like 5 of the godseekers yea (the highest tier guys)

[icy veldt]

I wonder how many of the Godseekers were hopeful paladins fighting for "freedom" and "justice", and how many were just hateful spitebeasts looking for an opportunity to lash out against civilization

[ruby heart]

i think only a small ammount trully believed in the cause (and tbf the godseeker cause never was good... more of a grey thing)

a lot were there for the violence, money (kromer) and fame

and multiple other reasons

[icy veldt]

Of course

[ruby heart]

some didnt care about the dragon and god stuff, but followed yharim due to his charisma too

[long bloom]

7 kromer

[icy veldt]

The Godseeker cause was irredeemably evil from the start. Yharim's concepts of freedom or justice don't exist; they're just empty catchwords, even if Yharim himself doesn't realize it

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/kromer-deltarune-bigshot-spamton-spamton-g-spamton-gif-23223761

[somber wren]

Lorewise, what happens to Yharon after his fight?

Like, I know he dies but that doesn't mean much by itself considering his domain.
His lore fragment says that he might be able to come back eventually, but I can't tell for certain if he actually will come back or if it's just Yharim holding out a small amount of hope for his friend.

And the existence of Auric ore makes it seem just as likely that he might be dead-dead, as in not just waiting for rebirth but put in the ground for good.

[long bloom]

he'll revive, but it takes around a decade

yharim will be dead of old age by then

the only way to stop yharon from reviving is to consume his soul, but it teleports to the aerie as soon as he dies

[pliant ruin]

He'll revive because yeah that's just how his domain works; As you see through his backstory with Yharim he has died and been reborn before
It does take a long time and Yharim is already one foot in the grave though so he bides him farewell because he knows full well that even if Yharon is technically not Dead dead, he won't be here to see him come back

[young socket]

"its so sad my WAR CRIMINAL BEST BUDDY wont be able to see me anymore 💔 💔 💔" -yharim

[somber wren]

What war crimes did Yharon commit? I know Draedon did a lot, but I can't think of any from the dragon.

[long bloom]

manipulated yharim intro starting the crusade

[hoary cape]

Yharon probably assisted in the massacre of innocents

[pliant ruin]

Yharon was essentially just as vital to the Crusade as Yharim was

He was more or less a leading force on it

[hoary cape]

Dog showed up and then took all the credit

Because of course he would XD

[pliant ruin]

Not only did he actively endorse it, support Yharim and was one of the two literal "Founders" of it (Him and Yharim meeting was the event that led the two to start it to begin with) but he very much did actively participate on the entire Killing Billions thing

Keep in mind Yharon isn't a dumb animal, he's like. a whole ass dude

[somber wren]

I don't think it's a war crime to convince someone to fight the people that killed your entire family and consumed their souls.

Killing noncombatants if he did that definitely qualifies though.

[hoary cape]

Yharim when he sees a child worshiping Silva: to the stakes

[pliant ruin]

Killing noncombatants

Well, for one

the entirey of the Sunken Sea Incineration

Secondly,

[split mortar]

Killing noncombatants

Thats what skeletron is known for

[hoary cape]

Yharim would go and execute you just for worshipping a god

[pliant ruin]

Many gods were really good people, actually

Also yeah Skeletron Prime

He's like. literally war crime machine

Not all Dragons were good guys and not all gods actively murdered the Dragons they absorbed the souls of

[split mortar]

Shout out to skeletron prime the civilian incinerator and bomber

[long bloom]

yharim openly admits he had a division dedicated to burning innocent civilians alive

[pliant ruin]

Do not be fooled, both Yharim and Yharon are terrible people and the cause they're fighting for is hardly a noble one

They killed thousands of innocents and murdered all gods indiscriminately of their background or their actions

[split mortar]

Yharim also groomed a child to vaporise ilmeris
-# is groomed the right word?

[long bloom]

yes

[pliant ruin]

You could be a kind, benevolent God loved by your people, maybe even one that killed a Dragon known for being evil or tyrannical or perhaps getting your Auric soul from a Dragon that willingly gave it to you

[split mortar]

Yharon is one of the few major players who support yharim after all these crimes

[pliant ruin]

It would not matter to them and they'd kill you all the same, and if your followers got in the way or their death was necessary for you to die, so be it

[split mortar]

Infact arguably the only one left since dog just kinda does whatever

[magic epoch]

groomed had negative connotation to mean Something Else Bad (For Different Reasons) so i'd personally use a word like coerced maybe

[pliant ruin]

Groomed dosen't necessarily mean that but it's most often used in the internet to mean that

So it's not wrong but depending on how you see it yeah might not be the best word but it certainly does show how Bad what he did was

He manipulated an extremely vulnerable child who just lost her entire family overnight into being a Murder Machine

[split mortar]

Shout out to yharim and yharons actions causing half the worlds population to die to indirect stuff like famine

[pliant ruin]

Like Yharim is just a completely horrible person who is so far deep into his own ideology he refuses to see things as anything but black and white and in doing so deluded himself into believing he's this tragic hero who failed his cause and lost his allies when in reality no he's just like completely awful

[somber wren]

Providence being one of the only names and faces we encounter definitely doesn't paint the best picture of the gods, but I can see where you're coming from.

And I don't know the lore about any of the others of any of the other gods beside Silva being thrown into the Abyss.

I know Yharim did a lot of fucked up stuff, but it's easy to forget that Yharon actively supported him in said endeavors because Yharon isn't mentioned as much in the lore fragments I've seen.

[pliant ruin]

Yeah no i don't blame you

[hoary cape]

Yharim could have just took his revenge out on the cultists that tried to have him killed, but no instead he had to commit genocide

[pliant ruin]

Providence is the most prevalent god ingame atm and most of the lore (Currently) comes from Yharim due to a general lack of lore implementation atm

Y'know, unfinished mod and all

But for reference

[hoary cape]

Ravager and sg are also gods that we fight

[somber wren]

Ravager's a god?

[split mortar]

With outside knowledge (dev statements and stuff)
We know of like 4 good gods
Otonilou
Silva
Agnus
Tyrian(?)

[long bloom]

was

[pliant ruin]

Agnus, the God of Sacrifices (Ravager before he got killed and revived as a mangled undead monstrosity) got his official concept art and lore revealed recently

[split mortar]

Revived god cause yharim happened

[pliant ruin]

And he was genuinely a incredibly kind person

[hoary cape]

Ravager's domain got changed when he got revived though

So doesn't that still make him a god?

[pliant ruin]

He was the god of sacrifices not in that he demanded people to sacriifce himself for him

He sacrificed himself for others

[long bloom]

yeah he's the god of blood now

[pliant ruin]

He literally willingly let Yharim kill him because Yharim threatened to hurt his worshippers, which he genuinely deeply loved, if he didn't

[hoary cape]

His cult tried to bring him back and well that went horribly wrong

Necromancy doesn't work very well and they got merged with him

[pliant ruin]

He would let people tear part pieces of his flesh to consume it, causing him the same pain anyone else would feel, because doing so would let people heal from great disease and injuries

[long bloom]

necromancy in calamity is incredibly shitty

[pliant ruin]

Like he was genuinely just a incredibly kind dude

[hoary cape]

Maybe because they had parts of him inside them or maybe he just ate them

[pliant ruin]

and Yharim killed him anyways, just because he was a god

another example is Otonilou and Tyrian, those have been known for a while but mufch like Agnus, which was recently revealed, don't have much ingame info currently

[hoary cape]

Didn't he just off himself because yharim couldn't actually kill him

And wanted to save his people

[pliant ruin]

But tl;dr - They where gods that inhabited the Sunken Sea, and Otonilou speciifcally has been stated to have been incredibly caring

[pliant ruin]

Yep

Yharim threatened his followers

[hoary cape]

Even though it didn't do anything as yharim just killed them anyway

[pliant ruin]

So he willingly let Yharim kill him

[spare pier]

Yharim didn't kill them

They killed themselves

[split mortar]

Oh new info

[hoary cape]

Oh the cult killed themselves?

[pliant ruin]

That's not really new info guys

[spare pier]

That's

In the Ravager Lore Item

😭

[pliant ruin]

The. the entire ravager lore is that a sect of the cultists sacrificed themselves to revive him and then the rest of the remaining ones got killed by ravager

[hoary cape]

Was yharim gonna kill them if they hadn't anyway

[spare pier]

They gave their lives to make it

[split mortar]

I thought you said agnus killed themself

[pliant ruin]

Which just makes Agnus's story even more tragic !

[hoary cape]

Tbh I think a lot of us thought the cultists who brought ravager back was a different group lol

Didn't think yharim would let them live

[spare pier]

I LOVE BINDING VOWS!!!!

[hoary cape]

What

Oh I guess yharim made a deal and stuck with it

Interesting

[alpine jetty]

do we even know if there were remaining ones that got killed

thats just what yharim says isnt it

[pliant ruin]

To be fair yeah it's just what Yharim says but it would entirely fit with Ravager's nature and if anything make Yharim actually a much worse person when you actually know the context

So i don't think he'd lie abt that one

It seems more in line with him to just ommit the part of it that would make him seem bad

[alpine jetty]

as far as the lore item says they all sacrificed themself

[alpine jetty]

nah not really its showing the futility of believing in gods if they attempted to revive him and then were killed by it

[pliant ruin]

Yeah on the surface! Which is why i'd say he'd ommit the part of it that would make him seem bad

In this case being the fact they tried to revive him because they loved him and likely needed his help in a time of crisis and he willingly sacrificed himself to protect them and was actually really kind and benevolent
And the only reason Ravager is the way it is is not becasue of Agnus's nature, but because, well, necromancy
Ravager being the way it is, is ultimately Yharim's fault

Which, yeah, he does ommit that

[alpine jetty]

controversial take:

yharims a crappy guy

[icy veldt]

Whoa...

[pliant ruin]

hot take:
genocide is bad guys

hot take:
burgers are actually tasty

hot take:
hi im cheese

[somber wren]

Necromancy being a huge double edged sword makes the Exhumed items make a lot of sense for why almost all of them have a detrimental effect.

[pliant ruin]

true!

[icy veldt]

Okay, I gotta know: why did Permafrost join Yharim in the first place?

[pliant ruin]

Likely because Yharim started the crusade by going after Bad Gods that were actually like yeah no kill those guys

Which led to Perma joining him in an effort to make an actual good change in the world, by freeing people from their tyranny and cruelty. But by doing so he probably actually got close to Yharim, and then got deal with the horrible horrible thing known as

Sunken Cost Fallacy

[icy veldt]

And once he actually saw how murderous Yharim and his forces were, it was too late to back out?

[icy veldt]

Ah yep

[somber wren]

And If I remember right, when he did try to back out because things had finally gotten too much for him even with the sunk cost, Yharim tried to have him killed by Calamitas.

So for a while it could also have been staying in to not get grouped in with the people they were fighting and put to the sword.

[pliant ruin]

That too yep

[young socket]

the sunken sea fallacy

[icy veldt]

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[young socket]

also known as putting everything on the sso branch

[icy veldt]

I love merge conflicts!

[pliant ruin]

:true:

[dusk laurel]

remember when it was the super sea overhaul

horrible times

[pliant ruin]

super sea overhaul

i remember

[young socket]

i dont

[icy veldt]

Remember when SSO was called single sign-on?

[pliant ruin]

it was gonna also have the sulphur sea overhaul and potentially abyss overhaul stuff on it

[young socket]

wild

[pliant ruin]

scope creeped from sunken sea overhaul to super sea overhaul

💔

update aquatic calamity edition

[dusk laurel]

old duke rework in sso

[pliant ruin]

I think it's funny how sso will just probably be the biggest calamity update period atleast for a really long while given they plan on making smaller more consistent updates going forward

[glacial rampart]

i was right gg

[icy veldt]

Now I'm just thinking about how the squad leaders from DoW2 would respond to being isekai'd into Calamity:

Jonah: Permafrost must have thought he would be helping to make positive change. Surely he now knows his error.
Cyrus: Do not make excuses for fools. He should have known from the moment he smelled the first smoldering city.
Tarkus: Enough. We're here to improve and build up this world, not hand out blame.
Avitus: That sounds like the same thing Yharim tried, and look how that ended up.

[hoary cape]

[proven rivet]

What if Noxus is a god

[scenic olive]

what god would he be

besides that wouldnt make sense if hes a god but he created dog

[proven rivet]

God of Matter

Like, the material, not immaterial

[scenic olive]

what if he was a corrupted auric soul thats trapped in distortion

unable to return to aerie

[proven rivet]

Corrupted God of Matter that somehow made a new dimension and was sealed in it

[scenic olive]

ok wild take

what if the soul belongs to a dragon that commited heinous crime, so the other dragons trapped his soul in distortion and told the cultists to guard it

[proven rivet]

I think that would be the task of the cultists regarding Ceaseless Void

[scenic olive]

that is just a theory

[proven rivet]

A game theory, thanks for watching

It's so fun to come up with made up information about lore of unreleased stuff

[alpine jetty]

noxus is actually a princess who is six

[hoary cape]

Noxus is just Yveltal and when you kill it just resets all life

[young socket]

a new thing shows up on terraria and he says "hey guuyyyss my names suxon" and its just noxus with one of those comedic disguise glasses

[mighty zenith]

nomon's cousin

[young socket]

true

[proven rivet]

Boy I sure wonder if suxon won't be a joke repeated by 13 year olds for the next 3 years

[scenic olive]

Suxon deez

[arctic marlin]

Who’s the strongest entity if not the player

[robust osprey]

xeroc

[long bloom]

yeah xeroc

[robust osprey]

literally the unmatchable power of the sun

[long bloom]

much much stronger than the player

[robust osprey]

what if the terrarian is actually as strong as xeroc and they're both just nerfing themselves

beacuse

THE TERRARIAN

IS

YOU!!!!!!!

[glacial rampart]

what if my terrarian is actually a construct of sunlight made by xeroc

[long bloom]

boss rush final challenge - fight yourself