lore-discussion

[cosmic zenith]

Hive Mind would be based on ruthless dictator deities and follow a more godly motif
Perforators would be based on greedy violent deities and follow a more draconic motif

[hoary cape]

Yah that's what I meant design wise I know both are made from God corpses

[cosmic zenith]

Tbh I personally think Hive Mind has the most potential for being evil fucked up

[sinful adder]

If this is done, I feel like you should retier queen bee to be the same as evil1, and have dragonfolly be where queen bee was in progression

Or maybe slightly stronger

[hoary cape]

Wouldn't folly replace where evil 2 was

[cosmic zenith]

That's basically already the setup, pre-HM doesn't have many bosses

[young socket]

my mind cant take god of dogma and god of war seriously

[sinful adder]

Yes. But evil2 and queen bee are basically the same tier

[cosmic zenith]

You essentially just swapped QB and Folly

[dusk laurel]

okay, nomon

[pliant ruin]

that has always been my headcanon

[young socket]

one sounds like brainrot and the other reminds me of that one stupid undertale meme

[pliant ruin]

cheese wins again

cheese cant stop winning

[young socket]

blue

[cosmic zenith]

Godma Ba-

[untold oracle]

god of nomon

[pliant ruin]

god of yhorm

[sinful adder]

I'm saying nerf queen bee a little from where it is now to move it down a tier

[pliant ruin]

why would they do that tho

[hoary cape]

Why nerf QB smh

Just make folly stronger than QB if needed

[pliant ruin]

that seems like a very arbitrary change that would probably be bad for the actual gameplay side of things

[cosmic zenith]

But then the only boss between Folly and the next big boss (Skeletron) is... sigh... Deerclops

[young socket]

greedy gods but yea

[dusk laurel]

what exactly would be the point of pushing QB down in progression

[pliant ruin]

if it really matters that much just make folly stronger than qb yes

but even then like

does it Really Matter That Much

[hoary cape]

Can we just forget deerclops exists

[young socket]

folly is gonna be a sky boss btw

[pliant ruin]

why is queen bee specifically being the same tier or stronger than folly so aggravating

[young socket]

not jungle

[pliant ruin]

also ya

space/sky

[hoary cape]

Boss in every biome at every tier /j

[young socket]

no one had mentioned it so i assume xb was thinking of two jungle bosses being right next to each other

[sinful adder]

That would put folly after slime god, which puts aerialite after slime god

[hoary cape]

Slime god would be in hardemode

[dusk laurel]

so, sg and calclone might be swapped too

[sinful adder]

Yeah. Dragonfolly needs to unlock-

Oh

Ok so then slime god would be pushed later and aerialite tier would replace statigel tier?

I actually like this

[cosmic zenith]

Why would Aerialite replace Statigel, it would remain with Folly

[pliant ruin]

oh ok fair

[hoary cape]

It's not confirmed to happen though

[crimson junco]

wait we're only need to fight 1 right?

like the BoC/EoW situation

[sinful adder]

Because folly is replacing slime god in progression potentially

[cosmic zenith]

According to who

[hoary cape]

I think the only swap that's like basically 100% is the evil 2 with folly right

[cosmic zenith]

Not even that one

[untold oracle]

perfs and hivemind? yes?

[dusk laurel]

KS/EoC/DS -> Evil 1s -> QB/Folly/Deerclops -> Skeletron -> Calclone

[cosmic zenith]

All progression changes are still up to debate

[pliant ruin]

KS/EoC/DS

[hoary cape]

I mean 98% according to triangle is basically 100%

[sinful adder]

There are two jungle bosses on the exact same tier right now and this feels wrong

[pliant ruin]

acronyms go crazy

[hoary cape]

But I guess triangle didn't tell the truth

[pliant ruin]

dragonfolly and evil2 seems to be the most likely

[crimson junco]

Sunny said 97.9%

[pliant ruin]

but not 100% confirmed

[cosmic zenith]

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

its not really "not telling the truth", its just being pragmatic

[dusk laurel]

yeah its likely but not guaranteed

[tall laurel]

make it a fine fight in rev, make its drops worthwhile in rev, stop there

[pliant ruin]

deerclops superbos tommorow

auric deerclops

[tall laurel]

forgotten evils "deerclops"

[untold oracle]

gfb gold

[hoary cape]

Deerclops isn't even a good boss design lol it's so bad. I fought it a few times and it just sucks as a fight lol

[dusk laurel]

ravager if coded in by fabsol would be golem + deerclops ai

[young socket]

he has that one laser attack but even bigger

[pliant ruin]

ravager rework if coded by fabsol would unironically be deerclops and you cant convincce me otherwise

[sinful adder]

So wait, if slime god and calclone were to be swapped, what would that mean for the lore?

[hoary cape]

Two of the worst boss AI's mixed into one boss 💀

[pliant ruin]

the only thing that would actually change

[sinful adder]

For the progression I mean

[pliant ruin]

would be that queen slime is no longer slime god

[sinful adder]

Oh

[young socket]

sg would be slightly stronger and qs wont be st

[pliant ruin]

but instead a rogue paladin

[sinful adder]

Just a paladin then

Yeah

[pliant ruin]

yep

[sinful adder]

But at the same time. Maybe they'd add an Astral paladin, for the progression point?

[untold oracle]

im now imagining a ravager version of deerclops that looks like those fanmade designs of like 2014

[sinful adder]

And astrageldon can live

[young socket]

astrageldon is DEAD

[dusk laurel]

banished to catalyst

[hoary cape]

Aureus is passive when you first see it now

[crimson junco]

why would they

[hoary cape]

Peak lore

[dusk laurel]

it makes sense

draedon just sent it lmao

[tall laurel]

or, uh. leave it alone

[hoary cape]

Instantly getting infected is funny though

[tall laurel]

king slime is left alone so i don't see why not

[hoary cape]

Queen slime is also kinda mid for a boss

[young socket]

yea its funny how currently aureus is meant to have protective plating against the astral but still gets immediately overtaken

[spare pier]

Queen Slime would work better as slight foreshadowing to Slime God

Instead of just "lmao big ass slime"

[hoary cape]

Slime god gets stuck inside a paladin and can't escape

[spare pier]

We already played that card once with King Slime, can't really play it again

[hoary cape]

King slime should also be a paladin

[young socket]

wdym big ass slime is totally interesting if u do it again

[hoary cape]

[crimson junco]

slim

[glacial rampart]

personally

all the progression changes sound cool and i hope they all happen

[dusk laurel]

gunk zero imo is better than all slime bosses

[hoary cape]

King slime paladin would be funny

[glacial rampart]

fighting evils 2 right after evils 1 never made a whole lot of sense to me

and dragonfolly being post ml feels like its a holdover from when they were yharon clones

[young socket]

gunk zero is DEAD

[hoary cape]

Turning you into gunk zero

[young socket]

i EATED it

[dusk laurel]

youre dead

[spare pier]

But like, yeah Evils 2/Folly is the only one I think is like, basically confirmed because literally no one likes that

Even if it's not exactly that, I think it's basically guaranteed to be moved somewhere else

[hoary cape]

Folly only made sense to be so late in progression when it was a yharon clone

[pliant ruin]

I don't really see anything wrong with associating it with slime god and i think it being a rogue paladin is neat

[cosmic zenith]

No one dislikes it, you mean

[young socket]

wats funny is that i think there is only one mention of follys living in the jungle in the entire lore

[hoary cape]

Now it's just a beast

[pliant ruin]

My actual problem was with it being the slime god

that was just

yeah

very

[dusk laurel]

i changed the doc LAST NIGHT and made the folly/evil2 swap slightly more official and the red nation immediately goes feral about it

[pliant ruin]

underwhelming

[glacial rampart]

i said this ...

already ..

[hoary cape]

Slime god became trans though

[glacial rampart]

bucko..

[pliant ruin]

It's definitely more interesting than just, "Big slime, but again", methinks

[spare pier]

I meant "no one likes Evil 2 where they are"

[glacial rampart]

right now folly is just a bird

[spare pier]

That

[young socket]

replied to the wrong message

[pliant ruin]

like reb said king slime already plays that card and it Works but playing it again would be a lil lame

[glacial rampart]

electric bird

[spare pier]

Was meant to answer Stip

[young socket]

tupidecca

[untold oracle]

i will now take it as my duty to find anything about it to complain about

[spare pier]

Shut up Tsuki I'm blowing you up

[young socket]

nuh uh

[pliant ruin]

dw i can do that for you

[dusk laurel]

🎉

[pliant ruin]

@young socket

💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥

[young socket]

WHAT

[pliant ruin]

yipe

[young socket]

yall r bullies

:'c

[untold oracle]

honestly i guess my only weird thing with it is that how can a mess of dead god essence thing become almost as strong as provi

[pliant ruin]

feeds u a donut

[hoary cape]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-my-arguement-when-someone-says-nuh-uh-my-argument-nuh-uh-gif-1327503764671639493

[dusk laurel]

tsuki the blown up princess

[untold oracle]

unless it's a ravager typa thing

[spare pier]

That's what Genderfluid SG exists for :3

[untold oracle]

or like the essence is super dense or smth

[young socket]

im not particularly fond of dougnuts

[pliant ruin]

gao

😭

[tall laurel]

actually laughed at this one

[untold oracle]

wow this is incredible

[glacial rampart]

fuck i just read their name

[hoary cape]

Yah I was gonna comment that afterwards that slime god no longer has a gender because it is gender fluid. Though what gender was slime god before transformation?

[tall laurel]

unfortunately, gao

[glacial rampart]

😭

[pliant ruin]

wait why was it deleted..

[glacial rampart]

nvm then

[crimson junco]

good

[spare pier]

I think Slime God has just always been Genderfluid since like

Ok, all jokes aside

[pliant ruin]

gendersemisolid

[untold oracle]

femboy slime god agenda

[young socket]

fuck u im adding electrons to ur body

[glacial rampart]

idont think im allowed to post that username here

[spare pier]

I think it's silly that the plot is

[pliant ruin]

fair enough i guess

[glacial rampart]

peak art though

[hoary cape]

Was slime god gender fluid before ascending

[spare pier]

Tries to kill you > Flees > Becomes trans (?)

[prime mauve]

gendernonnewtonianfluid

[untold oracle]

calamity is WOKE

that is what it is

[glacial rampart]

clearly slime god is ooblecj

oobleck

[young socket]

pipeline image

[hoary cape]

Wokelamity

[dusk laurel]

i will destroy lealand and turn it into an amusement park

[pliant ruin]

i think slime god being unironically trasn while turning into queen slime would be kind of weird
"heres this character becoming trans with no actual discernible development leading to it, it does it offscreen. also it immediately dies"

[spare pier]

So I just went "Slime God being Genderfluid makes more sense"

[pliant ruin]

slime god itself being genderfluid is cool tho

[untold oracle]

what you did is what you did and what you did was what you did, that's what you did!

[pliant ruin]

see that heart

[hoary cape]

Slimes don't need genders

[pliant ruin]

no shit

[dusk laurel]

that's that and this is this

[untold oracle]

HUH

[young socket]

and bobs your uncle

[hoary cape]

If slime god gets moved will it finally get a name lol

[tall laurel]

"here's this character becoming trans because of one word in the terraria bestiary"

[untold oracle]

when will lealand be added to calamity

[dusk laurel]

profaned biome:

[young socket]

never

[young socket]

foul

[hoary cape]

Profaned biome when it's not guaranteed

Slimous the slime god

[untold oracle]

no it was stated by one developer once in 1971 so i will now take it as gospel

[pliant ruin]

i'd unironically be disappointed if queen slime was trans and was the only trans rep in calamity

it'd kinda suck ass

😭

which is why i kind of got annoyed at the jokes about QS being trans ngl

[untold oracle]

gorthus is trans

[dusk laurel]

its been mentioned by at least 6 devs

[young socket]

bandit was born nb i guess

[pliant ruin]

TRUE AND REAL

canonize this now

[tall laurel]

i'm cool with representation when there's an external reason for a character to be x thing

[real silo]

Borthus is pants

[tall laurel]

like, Chaos in hades

[pliant ruin]

i think a character just Being a thing is fine

without it being like super plot relevant

[tall laurel]

well yeah either way

[untold oracle]

no
yhorm is canon and trans and will remain as the sole trans rep in the mod
deal with it

[pliant ruin]

but like

[hoary cape]

Calamitas is aro ace which is peak

[pliant ruin]

queen slime specifically would be Bad

atleast imo

[real silo]

Wouldn't that be an internal reason

[young socket]

burger/pizzapants and nice cream guy yaoi

[tall laurel]

couldn't find the right word for it

[pliant ruin]

fast food yaoi

[real silo]

Smh

[pliant ruin]

question mark

does that name work

[hoary cape]

[pliant ruin]

does ice cream count as fast food

[young socket]

uhh sure

[spare pier]

Yeah that's also how I feel even if that's a very dangerous pipeline to go down because it's very close to being "this character needs a reason to be trans"

[untold oracle]

mfs when they see an aroace person "clearly they havent met me yet!"

[tall laurel]

is that a new dating app or sum

[young socket]

i mean nicecream guy works at ice es pizza so

oop i meant

pezza

[pliant ruin]

see here's the thing i'm fine with slime god being genderfluid because yeah it can just be genderfluid
but its specifically slime god turning trans when it comes back as queen slime that i heavily disliked, even if it was just a joke

[hoary cape]

I didn't realize I had replied to that message lol

[tall laurel]

genderfluid sg is at least really funny in some way because it's A Slime

[hoary cape]

Anyway ice cream pizza

[pliant ruin]

yeah hes

literally. gender. genderfluid

😭

[hoary cape]

Was slime god a guy before becoming slime though

Can't call them a guy if not

[pliant ruin]

i think the idea is they were already genderfluid prior to ascencion

[hoary cape]

Fair enough

[pliant ruin]

u can call him whatever

[tall laurel]

i think there is also the option of not knowing who sg was before the slimening

[untold oracle]

wasnt sg a human

[pliant ruin]

we dont know

[tall laurel]

a little unsolved mystery is nice sometimes

[pliant ruin]

we just know sg was a sapient being

[cosmic zenith]

I mean he's not confirmed to be cis or anything

[pliant ruin]

because thats all thats 100% guaranteed for gods

[prime mauve]

sg was actuall Chell from portal

[spare pier]

Which, is sadly how I feel somewhat? I don't like writing trans characters who just Are Trans because I think it's really hard to make that evident without shoehorning it in, alongside the fact that it just feels wrong for me to write a trans character and leave it as a footnote on their list of traits

[pliant ruin]

they need to be sapient beings or else they can't really, do the ritual

[hoary cape]

Will we get to know slime gods name

[glacial rampart]

scooby doo

[hoary cape]

I tried writing two different sentences at the same time

[real silo]

slimus gawdus

[hoary cape]

Help

[spare pier]

It's definitely tied to how I feel as a trans person. That fact is extremelly important to my life, and I think it'd be wrong to try and "hide" it, if that makes sense

[pliant ruin]

that's a fair enough assesment

in a way my gender or sexuality actually are something i really don't care that much about i think
i just kinda am, and i suppose that is a result of both being generally satisfied with my appearance so i don't really feel alot of the gender dysphoria and the struggles attached with that sort of thing that many other do feel + the fact that honestly i kind of am aversed to interacting with alot of parts of the queer community at times tbh

so i don't try being like, super vocal about it, i suppose

truly lore. lgbt lore

gay lore

[cosmic zenith]

Meanwhile I'm not very inclined to write trans characters because I'm not trans myself and don't trust my (limited) experience with trans people to result in a dcent/satisfying representation

[pliant ruin]

also valid

[spare pier]

Sexuality is something I don't really care yeah, my rule is always just

[untold oracle]

this is actually on topic

[young socket]

braelor

[spare pier]

Any character I write has no sexuality unless they will have a romantic plot

[pliant ruin]

i think cis ppl can write trans characters well but its valid enough to not want to

[cosmic zenith]

I'd rather just not confirm whether some characters are trans or not, because it allows people to headcanon them as trans if they identify themselves with those characters

[pliant ruin]

ngl same yea

[spare pier]

Even if "romantic plot" is

A one-off joke lol

[untold oracle]

when will we get yuri in calamity

[cosmic zenith]

This basically dodges the "am I doing things right?" issue by just leaving it up to people who actually have experience with it decide
And I'd be quite interested to hear their takes

[spare pier]

I always think it's funny to have an unassuming character just say out loud they're gay and everyone is like

"Holy shit you're gay?"

And the guy is like

"Yeah lmao"

And it's never brought up again

Byeah my rule about that (and character traits in general) is that unless I plan on bringing it up

[cosmic zenith]

Not gonna lie, I would not be surprised if Masune was yuri material...
Maybe that's because I'm a slivermoon shipper

[spare pier]

The character does not have a trait

[pliant ruin]

yuri mentioned

[spare pier]

If I never plan on bringing up a character's sexuality, they just don't have one

[pliant ruin]

yuri liek

like. th

[spare pier]

I would also say gender but like

That's the neat part about gender

It's impossible to not bring it up lol

[cosmic zenith]

I wonder how people would see Daedalië

[untold oracle]

pronoun gun

[young socket]

like me

[real silo]

no

[young socket]

fucku mean no

[real silo]

Like

[untold oracle]

WHO is masune

[real silo]

what does fucku mean

[dusk laurel]

[real silo]

Is it like

Fugue

[dusk laurel]

another ghost npc

like gorthus

[cosmic zenith]

Upcoming Ilmeran ghost NPC (SSO P2)

[young socket]

i forgot to click space

dumbass

[untold oracle]

hloy shit

[cosmic zenith]

Masune, the Shrine Keeper

[real silo]

Says the fucka who forgot to "click" space (who tf clicks buttons)

[untold oracle]

yuri NOW

[real silo]

Are you typing with a fuckin mouse

You rat

[cosmic zenith]

Slivermoon instincts kicking in

[real silo]

yuri fans when I turn them into a puree

[spare pier]

She's coming in Part 1 silly

[real silo]

Wtf

[cosmic zenith]

WHAT

Oh, yeah

She has the temple stuff....

[pliant ruin]

wait is she the aforementioned seatizen shadow that is coming in part 1

[cosmic zenith]

Peak

[pliant ruin]

while all the others come in part 2

can gorthus be a yaoi

[cosmic zenith]

Seatizen Shadows are a generic term for all the citizen ghosts

[pliant ruin]

please

thanks

[pliant ruin]

nono mb ya ik i meant like

[cosmic zenith]

Not too much of a stretch tbh

[pliant ruin]

shes the only one thats coming in p1 while the 3 others are in p2

[cosmic zenith]

Dude loved his brothers in arms

[pliant ruin]

OK ACTUALLY

NGL

WITH WHAT U TOLD ME

YEAH NO I CAN SEE IT 😭

[tall laurel]

what's the seat part for btw

[cosmic zenith]

?

[tall laurel]

in seatizen

wait

[real silo]

sea

[cosmic zenith]

Sea + citizen

[tall laurel]

actually nvm that took me too long

[late veldt]

dude

it did

[real silo]

brainfart

[cosmic zenith]

(I came up with that name, I'm so hilarious right)

[untold oracle]

EXPLOSIONS

[real silo]

lealand in 2 days

[late veldt]

what are the hell ones gonna be caled

[young socket]

no

[glacial rampart]

dumb ass

[young socket]

ur UNFUNNY

[late veldt]

cragizens?

[real silo]

Shut up tsuki

[untold oracle]

lealand added in SSO

[cosmic zenith]

TRUE

I will say though, Lealand is a peak name

[young socket]

crag denizens

[real silo]

Azafurian apparitions idk

[untold oracle]

IT IS A PLACEHOLDER PLACEHOLDER ‼️

[tall laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946550719908032522/1335778671189037127/speentbubble.gif

[cosmic zenith]

:c

[untold oracle]

PLACEHOLDER NAME

[tall laurel]

dad gummit

[untold oracle]

(there will be no other name)

[real silo]

if it's a placeholder why haven't you replaced it

[tall laurel]

i'm really floundering rn

[real silo]

Checkmate

[late veldt]

placeholder implies you're gonna come up with a fucking name

[young socket]

its been lealand THE ENTIRE TIME

[cosmic zenith]

Gorthus dialogue is already done and it was quite cool to write
I'm really happy with how iconic he turned out to be

[real silo]

it's been lealand for like 3 months

where is my kingdome come

[cosmic zenith]

I was gonna start Rayna but then they got sent to P2

[glacial rampart]

if hes iconic why can i see him

[cosmic zenith]

Rayna will be quite interesting

[untold oracle]

like 6 months

[late veldt]

oh no they have to fight Sisyphus

[long bloom]

rayna pronouns?

[real silo]

gayna

[untold oracle]

appetiser

[late veldt]

straightna

[real silo]

is it pronounced rai-na or ree-na

[untold oracle]

wtf

[cosmic zenith]

I will enjoy writing her, I just connect with insecure characters for no particular reason

[late veldt]

shoots u with my reegun

[real silo]

as in like

rea like read (past tense)

[cosmic zenith]

Masune will be one of my favorites for sure, I intend for her to have a sort of serene vibe like LttM

[real silo]

Large tiny tiny machine

[untold oracle]

pea

[real silo]

Shaves lea

[untold oracle]

HUH

[cosmic zenith]

Phadran... while I don't like his personality all that much, his lore has a lot of potential for nuance

[real silo]

You are bald now

No hair

[spare pier]

(I actually wanted to write for Masune but I probably shouldn't be taking more SSO dialogue for me)

[glacial rampart]

take it

[real silo]

Amidias mines

[glacial rampart]

you are calamity

[young socket]

why didnt u just say "like red"

[late veldt]

write all of it

[glacial rampart]

you are all the jedi

[late veldt]

write all of the mod. the code too

[real silo]

Idk man

[late veldt]

write the sprites. make them out of acii

[young socket]

dumbfuck

[real silo]

[late veldt]

and hex codes

[young socket]

do u mean ascii

[real silo]

You make me very unjolly

[late veldt]

yes

[young socket]

im very jolly around u

[real silo]

too jolly

[young socket]

i absorb all ur jolly

[real silo]

gotta rein in back a little

[young socket]

is mine now

[real silo]

That's why they're called reindeers

[cosmic zenith]

You can if you want, just lmk!

[late veldt]

Is eating the life crystals calamity lore

[young socket]

yes

[real silo]

Eats you

[young socket]

nuh uh

[real silo]

You are fruit to be turned into my own flesh

Smelly

[young socket]

nuh uh

thas u

[real silo]

What's the list of seatizens again

Masune rayna gorthus and phadran?

[long bloom]

yeah

[late veldt]

I think Yhorm is real now?

[long bloom]

no

[untold oracle]

always has been

[late veldt]

hotel

[tall laurel]

yhorm's been real since 2016 what are you talking about

so has the profaned capital

[cosmic zenith]

Nope

Though I would support adding him through an addon, of course

Depending on my availability, I could provide dialogue for several ghosts

[tall laurel]

wait why is yhorm a serious consideration

i don't necessarily mean for main

[cosmic zenith]

People apparently enjoyed the character

I wrote a whole dialogue tree for him and posted here as a pseudo-spoiler

#calamity-update-talk message

[untold oracle]

is rampart division the flamethrower dudes

[cosmic zenith]

Rampart Division are Sunken Sea troops

[Q1.2] What is the Rampart Division?

"Well... the rising tensions of war led to the creation of the Provisional Defensive Forces. It's a self-explanatory name. The Rampart Division was a civilian force tasked with fortifying and arming strategical points around the city."

[untold oracle]

ohh ok

[cosmic zenith]

Calamity loreheads reading challenge failed smh....

[dusk laurel]

yhorm the hunter addon

[ruby heart]

?

what

[ruby heart]

folly would be a sky boss

why stuff always turn into a weird game of telephone where the information is twisted

[sinful adder]

Folly would be a sky boss? Huh

[ruby heart]

nothing settled

just saying if he is indeed moved, he wouldnt be on the jungle

[late veldt]

well I mean there is some... chart of indeterminate origin that says this

[eager bluff]

what you mean the one plastered with the NONE OF THIS IS SET IN STONE DONT TAKE IT AS FACT warnings

[late veldt]

I mean, triangle seemed to imply that he didn't know where the information came from

[ruby heart]

that folly would switch up with slime god

that was never said

if its on a chart then its like

misinformation maxxing

[spare pier]

Misinformation maxxing goes hard

[late veldt]

#lore-discussion message

this has been floating around

which shows them aprox switching

[ruby heart]

who is in slime god place on this image

[late veldt]

calclone

[ruby heart]

where does the deus information here come from btw

[late veldt]

oh. I read the wrong thing, I saw talk of perferators and hive mind

[spare pier]

Triangle I'm going to nuke you

[late veldt]

sorry I'm a Calamity fan I can't read. my condolences

also deerclops

[late veldt]

also since I'm a calamity fan I basically haven't played the mod

[glacial rampart]

why is deerclops there

bro thinks they on the team

[late veldt]

it's still hysterical to me that whoever made the chart forgot her ass

[ruby heart]

deerclops is female?

[long bloom]

unspecified

[late veldt]

no she is

Don't Starve

[young socket]

yes

called a she by tooltips in dst

or well at least one tooltip

i dont remember how many instances there were

[late veldt]

Yeah, although apparently a lot of characters refer to her as male, but I've really only heard her referred to as female

[young socket]

yea

i just see the other npcs calling it a he because its a big monster and thats wats generally attributed to big monsters that dont talk

people do this all the time

[late veldt]

Yeah

Generally I've always seen deerclops referred to as she

and that does seem to the the game's conception too, based on the Glass Eyebrella description up there, as well as Wurt being a more recent character

And also, Wurt would likely be able to tell accurately given her familiarity with The Constant

[crimson junco]

ye Deerclops is female

and Wurt is from the Constant

[plucky lichen]

Do you think they taste like that yummy looking crystal candy gummy shit

[late veldt]

i think it tastes like a regular crystal

[sinful adder]

Wait

[sinful adder]

I had an idea for this that would solve several problems at once. I can't make a normal suggestion about it, so mind if I tell you?

I don't actually have much time so I'll say it now. Basically: nerf skeletron so that it is between evil 1 and queen bee, meant to be reasonable as soon as you get shadow armor and goblin tinkerer accessories and such. Then, have the summon item for dragonfolly be found in the forsaken archives, which helps tie dragons to the dragon cult better. It also means that the dungeon weapons, which are usually extremely outclassed, are now reasonable for the tier when you get them. The abyss would probably be unlocked by dragonfolly or Calamitas clone in this case.

[glacial rampart]

that feels extremely unncesessary

feels like creating a lot more work than needed

[sinful adder]

It wouldn't be very much

[cosmic zenith]

^

[glacial rampart]

its a lot

[long bloom]

yeag

[hoary cape]

That does seem like a lot

[sinful adder]

It is?

All you would need to do is lower skeletron's stats. Everything else was going to be done already

Please explain how this is wrong if it is

[hoary cape]

Nerfing skeletron doesn't make any sense though

[sinful adder]

It makes perfect sense. You have a spot in progression where skeletron would fit better, and all the rewards for beating skeletron already fit better at that spot in progression anyways

[long bloom]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sinful adder]

Vanilla skeletron is broken and should be swapped with queen bee

[hoary cape]

QB is not a post skeletron boss though

Broken?

The fight is actually neat

[sinful adder]

Imagine if supreme Calamitas dropped weapons that were too weak to use against yharon

That's what I mean by broken

[long bloom]

they mean the progression yeah

which i agree is bad

but i don't think moving skeletron is the solution

[sinful adder]

The dungeon's progression sucks. It should be evil boss tier

[long bloom]

hard disagree

[sinful adder]

No I mean the items you get are balanced as if they are

[long bloom]

mid-late phm needs more bosses in general

it's pitiful

[sinful adder]

Post queen bee difficulty boss provides pre queen bee loot

Yeah. And it's getting more. Calclone and dragonfolly

[hoary cape]

Tbf skeletron basically drops nothing lol

[long bloom]

and removing 3

[hoary cape]

What is there to even give

[sinful adder]

It "drops" the dungeon

[long bloom]

dungeon loot

[sinful adder]

All the dungeon loot is worthless

[supple wedge]

What’s Signus’ deal in the lore?

[hoary cape]

Cobalt shield is not worthless

[long bloom]

super powerful distortion entity that likes making deals with people

[supple wedge]

So basically the devil

[sinful adder]

Ok fine, all the dungeon loot except for two items are worthless unless

[long bloom]

name one good dungeon weapon

[hoary cape]

Water bolt

[long bloom]

i guess yeah

[long bloom]

that's in a chest

[supple wedge]

Muramasa for Night’s Edge

[sinful adder]

They're so goddamn bad that even an instant upgrade is underpowered

[hoary cape]

Pheonix blaster is pretty good for an upgrade to the handgun

[sinful adder]

No it's on the shelves

[long bloom]

the murasama itself isn't good though

[supple wedge]

Muramasa*

[long bloom]

i meant "name a good weapon that's in a chest"

[sinful adder]

Every weapon obtained from the dungeon chests is utterly worthless except as a material

[supple wedge]

Murasama is the beeg red one

[long bloom]

yeah i know

[sinful adder]

Even blue moon, which was buffed

[long bloom]

thank you

[sinful adder]

Water bolt is only good if you get it early

[hoary cape]

Tbh nobody would use the dungeon chest weapons even at evil stage because you already have the gear you need before hell stuff

[supple wedge]

Do Biome chests count towards dungeon chests?

[long bloom]

this convo is a clusterfuck

[long bloom]

no

[sinful adder]

I think I would actually

[hoary cape]

Moving it down a tier does not help it make it more useful

[long bloom]

we're talking about phm progression

[supple wedge]

Aah

[long bloom]

very loreious

[hoary cape]

But either way that would unlock shadow chests earlier and I don't know about that

[sinful adder]

You're moving it down a tier and a half so that it is used against queen bee and dragonfolly

Oh right. Shadow chests. That is an issue

Man, that progression is so weird

[supple wedge]

Since when is Dragonfolly pre-hm

[long bloom]

since in the future

it's being swapped with evil2

[hoary cape]

It's not 100% guaranteed, but it's a potential plan

[long bloom]

yes it is

ozz confirmed it

[hoary cape]

It wasn't earlier today lol

[long bloom]

it was last night

[hoary cape]

I didn't see that ozz had confirmed it

[long bloom]

one sec

[hoary cape]

Devs here were saying it wasn't 100%

[long bloom]

numba 11

[supple wedge]

So Dragonfolly will unlock Aerialite?

[long bloom]

most likely

[hoary cape]

I saw that, but then even after that devs were not saying it was guaranteed

So 🤷

Like 5 or 6 of them said that

[long bloom]

devs aren't on the same page about a great many things

ozz didn't even know what the undead gauntlet was

for example

and reb's/stip's timeline placements for rav are completely different

[hoary cape]

Timeline as in like what

[long bloom]

when rav was created

[hoary cape]

Ah

[long bloom]

stip thinks before draedon joined yharim, reb thinks after

stuff like that

[hoary cape]

Odd times

I know both of them triangle and sunny both basically said it was not 100% guaranteed lol

But I guess if ozz said it then it is

[violet sparrow]

no one dev ever knows anything for certain

never have never will

not until it's ingame

[random mulch]

Tho devs should probably be on the same page with something like a progression changes for bosses

[violet sparrow]

its just a hobby at the end of the day

[tame basin]

What do they mean by Master mode changes being gutted what's going to happen to master mode

Who even plays this mod on Master mode

[magic epoch]

many people

all master changes are being removed

[cloud ibex]

Master mode is back to being stat bloat like the founding fathers intended

[magic epoch]

death (master death) will receive all expert death changes
expert death and master rev are dying (so you only have expert/expert rev/master/master death)

[tame basin]

So basically Master revengeance is going to be the exact same move sets and boss attacks just higher HP and attack

I always thought it was really stupid that there was Master mode changes revengeance and death mode were already hard enough and we're already balanced around expert

[long bloom]

did #calamity-update-talk and #lore-discussion swap names while i was gone or something

[tame basin]

They're going to try to remove Master mode changes

[magic epoch]

you posted this and now people are talking about it here

hi im people

[tame basin]

Seriously why did the one developer we refuse to name decide to make skeletron prime summon every other mechanical boss on deathmaster or was it on revengeance master

That was really stupid

[magic epoch]

it's not Voldemort you can say Fabsol

[tame basin]

I don't want to give that creature any attention

I don't want to give him the validation of his name being said

[magic epoch]

you're not

[tame basin]

I got in and tried this game in late to mid 2025 is Calamity easier or harder back then

[haughty venture]

Welp, atleast it isn't...The O word...

[tame basin]

Is it easier or harder in 2025 then in the previous years

Huh o words?

I am like actually new here

[haughty venture]

Ov*rhaul

[cloud ibex]

Avalon reference or whatever

[tame basin]

Wait does guttee mean removed

[haughty venture]

That was the right one, right?

[tame basin]

Gutted

Also I found out only after completing my first Calamity playthrough in under 1 month that ranger was horrible choice

[long bloom]

he's not in the server anymore

[tame basin]

And yes I pick revengeance for my first playthrough my third ever Terraria playthrough

I only have Terraria for about 2 months now and I'm already at the end of pre-harmode on infernum

[long bloom]

gutted means most of it was removed

[haughty venture]

His spirit is still amongts us

[long bloom]

like scooping out the insides of something

[tame basin]

The slime God only took me four attempts on infernum as mage

And yes this is my first ever mage playthrough ever on Terraria and first ever infernum

I started it only 5 days ago and I'm already getting to the Wall of flesh

[cloud ibex]

At this point the convo is probably better suited for somewhere else

[tame basin]

I feel like I'm progressing faster than intended I kind of already got bored of Base Calamity to be honest

[tidal tulip]

After Yharim's departure and I assume abdication of whatever position of power he held, how does his anti-God sentiment hold out among his empire?

I know it's only been several months, but is there a lot of fast disillusionment or would it take a longer time since Yharim's influence was built upon a century of an anti-God crusade?

[split mortar]

👁️

[humble fog]

are you sure

[haughty venture]

Pretty sure...

[tardy geyser]

Terraria Overhaul good but please use it by itself

Cal Overhaul can go fuck itself

[split mortar]

Sunken sea overhaul

[crimson junco]

peak I'm afraid

[warm gull]

florjborj

[north wigeon]

oh yeahhh that connects much more nicely
cuz god corpses unsealing the asian-inspired air ore is a little meh
granted folly's thing is a red lightning draconic offshoot but still

[split mortar]

Aerialite is also dragon related

[north wigeon]

riiight

[dusk laurel]

did you just notice??? 😭

this has been a thing for months

[prime mauve]

No

There will be 5 difficulties

Classic
Expert (some harder attacks)
Master (just Expert + stats)
Revengeance (Expert only. Has a bunch of custom AI, even for vanilla)
Death (Master only. Has harder versions of Revengeance AI)

Master specifically will stay stat bloat like vanilla has it

Death will have its own AI

[split mortar]

How would meld taste

[jaunty wraith]

Well first what is meld

[split mortar]

Weird alien stuff

[jaunty wraith]

We can infer its related the the pillars

[split mortar]

Which are related to ml

[jaunty wraith]

Which is cosmic staff

Calamari?

[split mortar]

It doesnt drop from ml tho

[jaunty wraith]

It drops from pillar enemies

[long bloom]

moldy yogurt

[jaunty wraith]

Which in calamity the pillars are the final seal for the moonlord

[split mortar]

Solar fragments are primordial light so its not like meld will be insignificant

[split mortar]

Thats vanilla

Pillars actually are moonlords army
They helped fight the dragons in calamity iirc
Ima find the quote

[long bloom]

correct

[jaunty wraith]

I thought it was the other way around

[split mortar]

Pluh

[split mortar]

Nah thats the case in vanilla

[wheat walrus]

melon, my gun

do you have all these messages saved and linked in some mysterious place

[split mortar]

No

[wheat walrus]

😭

how tf

[split mortar]

Idk how to do that

[wheat walrus]

copy msg link

[split mortar]

Ah right

[wheat walrus]

#lore-discussion message

[dusk laurel]

hes like a library

[wheat walrus]

ez

[wheat walrus]

dev statement library

[jaunty wraith]

Melon is the lore guy

[split mortar]

I have the unrivalled power of autism

[jaunty wraith]

I got that too, but its not for calamity

[split mortar]

Mine is very much on calamity

[jaunty wraith]

I can tell you the entire story for xenoblade chronicles

My autsim with calamity is far more with the game and builds then the lore

[wheat walrus]

mine is on moner huner

[jaunty wraith]

I can tell you the pros and cons of each class

[split mortar]

For proof of this ima link the doc which gives a “brief” summery of cal lore

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11UwCx--qhpocPmAc0OoEM_4g8l1CbfwLnKL0SswN9Jg/edit?usp=drivesdk

its 5 maxed discord messages long

[jaunty wraith]

In like... alot of detail

[dusk laurel]

the fucking hashtag at the end...

[split mortar]

I know
Its peak

Its just 5 discord messages i threw into the doc for later use so thats actually meant to be

giant text

[split mortar]

This is just me saying lore i have memorised btw
I uh
Didnt research or anything

[cosmic zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-minions-minions-memes-gambling-gamble-gif-16941751481695301617

[glacial rampart]

and fovenator l

[split mortar]

Fov is dead

Shot dead in an allyway and fed to the eel pit

[glacial rampart]

nothing dies forever

[random mulch]

except foveanator becuase dead

[pliant ruin]

foveanator has been eaten by the eels (from the pit)

[untold oracle]

What even is foveanator

[glacial rampart]

the third twin

shot dead in an alley

[split mortar]

Mastermode third twin that fabsol wanted

An exo version was also planned i think?

[untold oracle]

Sounds like a doofenshmirtz machine

[cosmic zenith]

Thank fucking God that didn't come to be

[random mulch]

behold, my fove-inator

[glacial rampart]

oh spriters!!! make me third exo twin!!!! make me alpha and omega!!!

[magic epoch]

oh yeah wtf is alpha and omega

[split mortar]

Master skele heads given name

[magic epoch]

oh okay

[robust osprey]

iirc alpha and omega was a skele prime copy boss

and was revived as master prime

[violet sparrow]

its an avalon reference

its all avalon

all the way down

[glacial rampart]

fab was obsessed with avalon holy shit

[river python]

Have you all heard the Nightmare Fabrications WIP?

[split mortar]

I havent but i hear its peak

Was avalon good or was fabsol just obsessed with it for not much reason

[random mulch]

i've heard it the intended way

pretty peak

it is very guitar, i like

[real glen]

Both for me

[random mulch]

i mean exxo avalon was kinda the original content mod

and calamity was heavily inspired by it

though i guess you dont put an entire boss in there as just a small reference

[supple bluff]

This guy copied my pfp

How dare you

[split mortar]

Ive seen soggax before you joined

[random mulch]

ditto

[river python]

i'm more sigmatic

[ruby heart]

ozzatron has been outside of sunken sea development on purpouse

so it make sense he wouldnt know of it (and also for some reason it was not added on taiga)

but as far as i know all users who been doing time in the sunken mines know of it

[ruby heart]

it is p much confirmed

that why i said almost 100%, the specifics arent tho yet

[spare pier]

Evils 2/Folly is the most likely for sure

The others are like, yeah it could stay as is

But people have been wanting to move Evils 2 for YEARS

[sinful adder]

I feel like it would be fitting if killing evils2 exploded the whole evil biome

Or like, purified it

Or drastically slowed its spread

[spare pier]

Ah yes let me just remove an entire fucking chunk of content from the game, surely no one will need those biomes in the future

(Also that would be a lagspike and a half)

(Still want to make it halt spread though)

[glacial rampart]

perhaps your most insane take yet

[sinful adder]

It could give you a tool that makes it easier to hunt down and destroy all the corruption

[glacial rampart]

you already get that post ml

its called

the terraformer and biome sight

[sinful adder]

I don't mean literally exploded, but it should pacify it in some way, or remove the threat

Oh yeah, huh

I forgot

[spare pier]

I don't see a reason to make purifying the evil biomes easier when doing that is already a supremely secondary task

And Vanilla also making it easier

[young socket]

biomesight

[sinful adder]

Ok wait. Does breaking demon altars still spawn random tiny patches of evil biomes in the world? Have a way to find those

[young socket]

no

[spare pier]

No

[soft flame]

no, what does it do?

[river python]

It's the Exo Mechs theme we've been waiting for for 3 years.

[cloud ibex]

it goes [music noises] probably

[soft flame]

ah

i heard that name as draedon's motif

[river python]

Draedon Motifs is basically the essence of Draedon in a song

but not necesarily a Draedon theme

[soft flame]

makes sense

[scenic olive]

To see the a lot of devs around here is a sight to see

Usually its just stip

[late veldt]

that's not a thing in vainilla anymore

[sinful adder]

Oh ok

[magic epoch]

best 1.4.4 change fr!

[real glen]

The Tale of a Cruel World
The Resurrection of a Cruel World
The Memory of a Cruel World
The Legend of a Cruel World

[vague jacinth]

I think Draedon is the type of person to question why it's called "a goofy movie" when it's just a regular movie

[random mulch]

It indeed goes very music noise

[heavy zenith]

Yharim be like "lessen the environmental impact of Azafure please" Draedon: "ok i will dump my nuclear waste there" Yharim: "ok."

wow that came out so wrong

good luck reading lmao

[young socket]

azafure isnt sulphurous sea

[real silo]

Sulphurous sea was the result of azafure

[heavy zenith]

Thank you

[vague jacinth]

wait, if a god's corpse infects the land around it, why doesn't providence do that when she's defeated?

[long bloom]

1: it takes a really long time

2: dog probably eats her essence after we leave

[heavy zenith]

I would assume that Uelibloom and all the other buffs to creatures around the world could be that

[vague jacinth]

so the infernum cutscene is sorta canon

[heavy zenith]

but providence is a stronger god so prob not so much

[long bloom]

uelibloom doesn't exist

[split pewter]

after doing some thinking, i’ve only just now realized that yharim is the only thing in calamity lore that links most aspects of the world together

[long bloom]

gods

[vague jacinth]

well, yeah

[split pewter]

like, without yharim nothing would actually make any sort of sense

[long bloom]

i said probably
it is very much not confirmed at all

[split pewter]

a single character that’s the epitome of “tell don’t show” should not be this major of a factor

[long bloom]

how are you supposed to show when everything happened 80 years ago

[split pewter]

and even then, yharim only tenuously links stuff at best

[split pewter]

true

[heavy zenith]

?

[long bloom]

it's getting exploded

[vague jacinth]

it's either that or the Terrarian has screwed over the area they beat her in

[heavy zenith]

like removed in the next update?

[long bloom]

no

just eventually

[vague jacinth]

I mean you can show more of the outcome of the events

[long bloom]

they will
calamity is unfinished

[split pewter]

like for example, i tried figuring out azafure and how it works out with any of the rest of the world

so you have the connection between it and the abyss

which is outright told in excruciating detail via draedon log

[long bloom]

bad example
azafure will actually be fleshed out in bco

[split pewter]

and then you have the multiple statements saying that it used to be a prosperous industrial city

and then it mined too much, brimmy popped out, calamitas threw hands and everything burned

and then uhhh

yharim is vaguely involved some time after that

that’s about it

[young socket]

what

no he was alr in azafure

[heavy zenith]

They supported the crusade with entire roots of magic being invented in the process

[young socket]

[vague jacinth]

a question I have is how most major characters, Braelor, Statis, Yharim, Calamitas haven't died if it's been 80 years

[long bloom]

what

[young socket]

azafure stopped being azafure when it got fucking exploded and everyone either died or left

[long bloom]

cal didn't join until very late

it's not like everyone was born at the start of the crusade

?????

[young socket]

because they all didnt happen at the same time

[vague jacinth]

then how is Yharim not dead?

[long bloom]

yharon magic

keeping him alive

being bffs with the dragon of rebirth has its perks

he's around 130 when the game starts

[split pewter]

i already thought too hard about this elsewhere and restating my thoughts is difficult 😭

[young socket]

same reason why someone can train themselves to destroy a house with a single punch (its fantasy)

[split pewter]

i guess it makes sense that the lore is sparsely connected when it’s literally unfinished though

[vague jacinth]

how old is everyone else?

[long bloom]

cal is 28
braelor and statis idk

[young socket]

cal is around late twenties

we dont know about braelor n statis but they look fairly young so im guessing anything under 40

[long bloom]

draedon is ~660 bc robot

[young socket]

and gods dont age

yea draedon doesnt age either lol

[vague jacinth]

she's 28?

[young socket]

and perma has been using magic to further his lifespan by 4 times or so

[long bloom]

tbf braelor could be much older bc silva's blessing
but that would make his relationship with statis dubious

[young socket]

(hes around 500)

[vague jacinth]

how many years ago did the crusades end?

[long bloom]

popular consensus among devs but not explicitly confirmed

[long bloom]

uhhhh like 6 months ish

when yharim and yharon went into hiding

[split mortar]

It never had an official end it just kinda fizzled out

[long bloom]

it was winding down long before then tho

[young socket]

a few months ago, when yharim just dissappeared from the public to go train in the aerie

[long bloom]

we don't know why he went to the aerie

[sinful adder]

That's more like 6x it sounds like

[split pewter]

generally a story can be arranged into self-contained “bubbles” with a perimeter of major concepts for each given section of the world you’re trying to explore, with the bubbles being filled with ideas sprouting from logical conclusions or the reader/player’s own thoughts

these bubbles are connected by key moments in the story, usually taking the form of key character interactions that have either already happened or that will be experienced along with the reader

calamity has the disadvantage of being full of history and very very few active interactions, as well as a relatively limited cast of characters (as of now) with enough influence to alter the world in some meaningful way

[young socket]

is it?

idk

it was around 500 years old and nearing the end iirc

(i cant do math rn ive been awake for too long)

[young socket]

by end i mean life

btw

[split pewter]

so a massive chunk of those key moments are just linked back to yharim

[young socket]

hes a grandpa

[heavy zenith]

love this

mostly speculation and educated guesses for a lot of fine details

[long bloom]

yharim was heavily involved in literally everything that happened in the last 100 years tbf

[sinful adder]

If permafrost is over 500 years old and roughly equal to an 80 year old right now, with a normal lifespan being like 90, then his life has been extended by roughly 5 or 6 times the normal amount

[split mortar]

A world wide genocide for like a century tends to yknow
Make you an important figure

[split pewter]

now, ignoring the whole process of actually telling the story which i really do not have the energy to get into

[sinful adder]

He will probably live another 40 years if my estimate is right

[split pewter]

a decent number of issues could be fixed by just establishing stuff besides the crusade

stuff that actually matters

[sinful adder]

So pretty close to the end in relative terms

[split pewter]

however if calamity were to be told as a story

it would be much, much better to follow yharim in real time

that’s a given

like cmon he’s basically the main character

[long bloom]

i think you greatly underestimate how important the crusade is and how much it affected literally the entire world

[split mortar]

Not canon but this is ceis guess on permas age iirc

[split pewter]

we’re viewing the aftermath of a different MC’s story

[long bloom]

like
not much else could happen

not anything important enough to affect us

[split pewter]

which means that instead of trying to expand upon the world outside of the crusade, the crusade itself would need to be split into a bunch of smaller “bubbles” instead of a giant monolithic thing

it almost already is

[sinful adder]

Ok. Sounds like his lifespan is increased by 6x. If he has 90 years left and would live to almost 600

[split pewter]

draedon subplot, devourer of gods

[long bloom]

why is it being a monolith bad though

[split pewter]

and of course calamitas and permafrost

[split pewter]

this is where the perimeter analogy comes back

[split mortar]

The crusade was a world wide genocide run by sapient nukes i think thats kinda uh
Important to everything

[heavy zenith]

I think if you truly put every bit of lore you could in that pinned document into a chronological timeline you would realize how much stuff you could add

[long bloom]

i did

and eh

[split pewter]

if you have too much area within one of these bubbles, it leads to a major imbalance between the “surface” (events that are known to have taken place) and the “area” (the events that can be logically speculated, everything possible within that bubble)

theres just too much stuff going on within that one big thing

it needs to be sectioned out so that ideas are more well organized and easier for a reader to comprehend

[long bloom]

the big thing is spread out on an entire continent

[heavy zenith]

you could chalk it up to like, civilizations not caring about recording history?

[split mortar]

Crusade was global not continental

[split pewter]

currently the crusade is written like homestuck but it needs to be written like not homestuck lmao

[long bloom]

everything we know about happened on the one continent

[split pewter]

so obviously the crusade still happened, it’s a very big event that basically drives all the lore

[heavy zenith]

this is true, because yharim attacked a city on "the continent that I was on" -Draedon

[split mortar]

The crusade wiped out half the people on the planet

[split pewter]

but instead, focusing on smaller parts of it while leaving the rest to the crazy peoples’ imagination is best

[split mortar]

And 300 mil in direct combat

[split pewter]

elaborating on the relationships between the major characters, their actions in the crusade, and their consequences while kinda tuning out the rest

random big numbers and massive stakes/scales make not a compelling story

[long bloom]

what the fuck does this mean exactly

[split pewter]

that was a joke

it means fuck-all

i like shitting on homestuck for being extremely confusing

[long bloom]

i am not familiar with homestuck's writing style

[heavy zenith]

I think they did pretty good piecing what they had to work with together

[split pewter]

a giant blob of wibbly wobbly timey wimey rubbish full of so many different characters and events and ideas that it kinda all blends into like

idk

you just can’t keep track of it

[heavy zenith]

one thing i would personally be interested in is where Yharim HQ was during the crusade

[split mortar]

It is a global thing

[long bloom]

i wish we knew

[split mortar]

Yharims war was more like mongols iirc
Endlessly moving around and not much of a central settlement idk

[heavy zenith]

The events line up to be Azafure afaik

[split pewter]

honestly the crusade best functions as the backdrop for the world instead of a big event that happened during the rest of the lore

[long bloom]

it's not azafure

[long bloom]

?????????

[split pewter]

are you familiar with avatar

the one with the bald kid

[long bloom]

the blue one or the good one

ok the good one

yes

[split pewter]

the good one

[heavy zenith]

why not?

[long bloom]

devs have said it's not azafure

[split mortar]

Show

[cloud ibex]

they've said the yharmy was kinda nomadic haven't they

or am i misremembering

[split mortar]

Yeah

[long bloom]

pluh

[cloud ibex]

as in, they didn't have a set home base, but rather moved around as needed

[heavy zenith]

it doesnt matter, devs also said that anything they say isnt confirmed and to stick with in game elements, and the in game elements point to events that make Azafure very likely

at least for me

[split pewter]

imagine if the fire nation’s war was described as “this really big thing that happened” except with an extremely detailed history of every campaign, and it didn’t elaborate on the relationship between roku and sozin at all, meanwhile everyone is stuck in ba sing se for like twenty episodes instead of five or six

[young socket]

yall forgot that perma was playing city skylines while yharim was out crusading

[heavy zenith]

💀

[cloud ibex]

lmao

he was playing city skylines while yharim was playing

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[heavy zenith]

doom

[long bloom]

it does matter a lot actually

[cloud ibex]

i don't actually know any rts games

[long bloom]

what

[split mortar]

Doom eternal